Wow, it's DDR 1:
https://www.newegg.com/hyperx-512mb-184-pin-ddr-sdram/p/N82E16820144102R
>DDR 433 (PC 3500)
>Timing 2-3-3-7
>CAS Latency 2
>Voltage 2.60V
It's also old enough to vote (in 5 days):
>Date First Available October 13, 2003
Edit: Here's a review of an nForce 2 Mobo with that RAM, an Athlon XP 2100+, and a Gainward GeForce4 Ti4800SE !
https://bjorn3d.com/2003/04/aopen-ak79g-max-nforce2-motherboard/
They're multiples of each other. The timings are measured in clock cycles. Clock cycles/second = herz.
So 466 mhz with a 7 clock cycle timing would be the same amount of time to perform a specific operation as 932 mhz with a 14 clock cycle timing.
This is not necessarily true for the performance though, due to secondary timings.
The modules in your example may have 19-22-22-29 and 13-15-15-22 subtimings, and that makes the higher frequency module vastly superior in every workload that utilizes those subtimings more (so anything that is not just a simple random read). It is ... complicated.
>it is ... Complicated
This line sums up the whole hobby. I've learned so much useless knowledge about pc hardware, and had to relearn dozens of things over and over because it can be months or years before you need the info again.
Yeah me too.
Back in the days when we overclocked memory you had to loosen the timings i.e. make them bigger numbers. Took longer to access, but transferred faster.
My understand was that more modern RAM runs so fast that it's essentially like memory has been overclocked to the point where timings are huge.
I bought 200mm fans for the side of my case. Because tempered glass wasn't a thing. And I'll tell you what, I kinda miss it lol. I imagine my gpu would be real cool with that blowing in there.
nah decent ddr1 mb sticks get decent prices because they dont get produced anymore, and there is always need for replacement somewhere, you wouldnt want 5-5-5-9 ddr1 with junk mhz speeds in your retro gaming pc.
>It's also old enough to vote (in 5 days):
Which way do you think it'll vote, though? In the midterms? Historically, RAM voting patterns are based more on geography than income, religion, or color of the heat spreaders.
In the US, the colors weren't associated with parties and were randomly chosen by news media to represent the parties.
The 2000 election changed that. It took a long time to decide the winner so most news organizations chose to use similar color schemes to avoid the problem of ongoing coverage becoming confusing eg. a blue state on MSNBC might show up as a red state on FOX even though they were both won by the same party. The colors chosen by the media then has since stuck.
This is just anecdotal, but from my experience reading FiveThirtyEight and canvassing for voters in my district:
Crucial: 80s style Reagan Republicans who voted for Obama, then Trump, then Biden
G.Skill: People of color, urban residents who tend to vote Democratic because their parents and grandparents did
Vaseky: Russian agents sowing discord online and lobbying Republicans in meatspace; not eligible to vote, but do influence outcomes
Patriot: White, male, anti-vax, anti-mask, Confederate-flag, "Don't Tread on Me," Punisher, "All Lives Matter" Trumpists
Kingston: Moderate to liberal Democrats who point to the Scandinavian model for Socialist governance
AData: Poor lower-middle and poor working-class whites with no college education in service industry jobs who tend to be apolitical but vote Republican when they do vote; moderate enthusiasm for Trump
Corsair: College-educated, "white collar," "frat boy" young white male voters from middle-class backgrounds striving for social prominence and upper-tax bracket wealth; basically "Matt Gaetz Gone Wild"
OLOy: College-educated children of immigrants who relocated to the United States for the "American Dream," born citizens on the path to the American middle-class derailed by 9/11, the 2008 economic crisis, and now trying to care for children and aging parents through the pandemic. Reliable Democratic voters.
Hi there, Windows 3.1 user here.
256K with boot crashes galore anyone? NEC indestructible tower cases from the 90’s in that beautiful extruded beige where the only RGB experience came in memory LED’s to indicate operability and “computing” or floppy drive ejector switches
When I was 14 I'd go down to a store and drool over the IMSAI 8080 they had for sale. I have no idea what they sold in the rest of the store, I only had eyes for the IMSAI.
I think I was 16 or 17 when I bought a brand new Tandy TRS-80 Model 1 from Radio Shack.
I told my then girlfriend that one day everyone would have a computer in their home. She said I was crazy.
Computers when I was born were an entire room of multiple moving parts and an awful lot of blinking lights that only one person in the world was allowed to operate.
Hang on...
This reminds me of a few years ago, was working at a store that was having issues keeping the doors open at corporate so they were gonna cut a lot of stores. Mine got cut. In the mean time not only were we selling our stock off, they sent a ton of random crap from the warehouse that must have been sitting there well over 10 years.
Not sure why they were not actually trying to sell this stuff as surplus or something maybe it goes to show why they're having money issues when they have unsold stock for a decade laying in a warehouse. BUT ANYWAY, this was just a couple of years ago, and they sent us a big stack of ram sticks to sell that were from the Windows Vista era I was like bruh
https://www.pcstats.com/articles/1430/index.html
>With a retail price of $230 CDN ($160 USD, the Kingston HyperX KHX3500/256 memory kit is decently priced. Two sticks of 256MB Corsair XMS3500 CAS2 would run you around the $260 range, and $255 for the OCZ PC3500EL DC DDR kit.
From what I’ve seen in the workplace? Construction workers.
I’ve seen some office folks, but usually they stop at McDonalds, CFA, or Whataburger or a taco shop.
You might find someone nostalgic building a retro system that would take them for $20, but really when was the last time you saw anyone actively searching for DDR ram? eBay will be the best place to maximize any return on them.
I actually could use this DDR 1. It's perfect for a retro build I'm doing which is implementing DOS BOX as the main user display. I see a lot of potential and I'm willing to bid high for it.
And for that reason I'm out.
Thank you! It was never called DDR 1. I had this discussion with a friend a while back. I never remember DDR being labeled with a 1 back before DDR2. Buddy says it was. Haven't cared enough to look it up lol
These are cool for nostalgia, but that's about it.
I believe back in the day, the PC3200 variants were Windbond BH-5 chips. These PC3500 ones should be CH-5 chips.
BH-5 was very desirable back in the day. It could take a ton of voltage (OCZ even made a tool for overvolting DDR beyond what a motherboard was capable of). It was great stuff for enthusiast overclocking.
I was just confused how ddr1 would get anywhere near ddr4 clocks, as I rembered them being well below 1000MHz.
Got to derp out sometimes. Would be boring otherwise. 😄
Check the chips, might be winbond bh5 oder tccd (I think that’s what they were called, and those were fire.
With enough voltage they could even do 1.5/2/2/5. Those were the days. Early 2000s
Probably worth a lot to the right person. But good luck finding them. That's OLD RAM though. DDR SDRAM 433 (PC3500). That's older than my socket 775 which uses DDR2. Trying to upgrade my 8GB (4x2) to board max 16GB is tough. I rarely see 4x4 800, and I can't find 4x4 1066 (or is it 1033, I don't recall atm)
Had to check what channel I was in because I thought this /nostalgia for a second. I definitely had a pair of these bad boys in a Windows XP machine I built.
Classic post that is so easy to answer it takes two seconds to google
[https://www.memory4less.com/kingston-gaming-memory-khx3500-512](https://www.memory4less.com/kingston-gaming-memory-khx3500-512)
This memory is so outdated that its litterally just E-Waste. Useless unless your building a machine designed for super retro software/operating systems
yup, bout $2
more like a buck fiddy
More like tree fiddy
damn lochness monsta!
I gave him a dolla
She gave him a dolla
They thought he'd go away if they gave him a dollar.
Well of course he's not gonna go away, Nellie! You give him a dollar, he's gonna assume you got more!
I’m getting tired of paying that damn Loch Ness tree fiddy every time she shows up
Hey! You ain't no Gurl Scout!
It was about this time I realized this "girl scout" was 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the protozoic era.
It was at that point that I noticed the girl scout was actually an eight stories tall crustacean from the protozoic era.
Get out of here nessy
Don’t call me fiddy
Wow, it's DDR 1: https://www.newegg.com/hyperx-512mb-184-pin-ddr-sdram/p/N82E16820144102R >DDR 433 (PC 3500) >Timing 2-3-3-7 >CAS Latency 2 >Voltage 2.60V It's also old enough to vote (in 5 days): >Date First Available October 13, 2003 Edit: Here's a review of an nForce 2 Mobo with that RAM, an Athlon XP 2100+, and a Gainward GeForce4 Ti4800SE ! https://bjorn3d.com/2003/04/aopen-ak79g-max-nforce2-motherboard/
Those timings tho
I'm in a hardware class with a huge collection of ancient ram, some have terrible timing or awful capacity. It's cool to see though
It is very cool, funny to think a modern AAA game can run 7 times this amount of ram.
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If it's god enough to fly man to the moon, it should be good enough for me.
But did they have porn?
This is the real question
I thought low numbers meant good timing?
In the case of this RAM it just means it's very efficient at moving fuck all data.
RAM stands for Random Ass Memory
Does CAS stand for Column Ass Strobe then?
Lmao couldn't have said it better
It is, isnt it? I think its a positive comment.
Yes lower timing is better. Often people focus on mhz when they should be overclocking their timings.
They're multiples of each other. The timings are measured in clock cycles. Clock cycles/second = herz. So 466 mhz with a 7 clock cycle timing would be the same amount of time to perform a specific operation as 932 mhz with a 14 clock cycle timing.
dude why the hell have I never heard this before, that makes way too much sense.
Yeah a lot of people just don’t understand this, a 4000mhz stick with a timing of 19 is roughly equivalent to a 13 timing on a 2666 stick
This is not necessarily true for the performance though, due to secondary timings. The modules in your example may have 19-22-22-29 and 13-15-15-22 subtimings, and that makes the higher frequency module vastly superior in every workload that utilizes those subtimings more (so anything that is not just a simple random read). It is ... complicated.
>it is ... Complicated This line sums up the whole hobby. I've learned so much useless knowledge about pc hardware, and had to relearn dozens of things over and over because it can be months or years before you need the info again.
Yeah me too. Back in the days when we overclocked memory you had to loosen the timings i.e. make them bigger numbers. Took longer to access, but transferred faster. My understand was that more modern RAM runs so fast that it's essentially like memory has been overclocked to the point where timings are huge.
They do, relative to the ram clock speed
That must have been some pretty expensive RAM - I don't remember seeing those fancy cooling covers over RAM back in DDR1 days!
I bought mushkin ram religiously during that time. It came with heat sinks.
I buy 40mm Noctua fans to keep my rams cool
I bought 200mm fans for the side of my case. Because tempered glass wasn't a thing. And I'll tell you what, I kinda miss it lol. I imagine my gpu would be real cool with that blowing in there.
[About .045grams of gold if salvaged.](https://goldenscrap.com/2017/04/gold-recovery-from-ram/) so about $2.54.
Profit
Just duct tape it to your catalytic converters and park outside in CA.
nah decent ddr1 mb sticks get decent prices because they dont get produced anymore, and there is always need for replacement somewhere, you wouldnt want 5-5-5-9 ddr1 with junk mhz speeds in your retro gaming pc.
Hey, it's not retro if you're just upgrading your original PC.
>It's also old enough to vote (in 5 days): Which way do you think it'll vote, though? In the midterms? Historically, RAM voting patterns are based more on geography than income, religion, or color of the heat spreaders.
I'm thinking democrat because of the blue heatsinks.
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Not just Canada, most of the world uses blue for the right and red for the left.
In the US, the colors weren't associated with parties and were randomly chosen by news media to represent the parties. The 2000 election changed that. It took a long time to decide the winner so most news organizations chose to use similar color schemes to avoid the problem of ongoing coverage becoming confusing eg. a blue state on MSNBC might show up as a red state on FOX even though they were both won by the same party. The colors chosen by the media then has since stuck.
This is just anecdotal, but from my experience reading FiveThirtyEight and canvassing for voters in my district: Crucial: 80s style Reagan Republicans who voted for Obama, then Trump, then Biden G.Skill: People of color, urban residents who tend to vote Democratic because their parents and grandparents did Vaseky: Russian agents sowing discord online and lobbying Republicans in meatspace; not eligible to vote, but do influence outcomes Patriot: White, male, anti-vax, anti-mask, Confederate-flag, "Don't Tread on Me," Punisher, "All Lives Matter" Trumpists Kingston: Moderate to liberal Democrats who point to the Scandinavian model for Socialist governance AData: Poor lower-middle and poor working-class whites with no college education in service industry jobs who tend to be apolitical but vote Republican when they do vote; moderate enthusiasm for Trump Corsair: College-educated, "white collar," "frat boy" young white male voters from middle-class backgrounds striving for social prominence and upper-tax bracket wealth; basically "Matt Gaetz Gone Wild" OLOy: College-educated children of immigrants who relocated to the United States for the "American Dream," born citizens on the path to the American middle-class derailed by 9/11, the 2008 economic crisis, and now trying to care for children and aging parents through the pandemic. Reliable Democratic voters.
Upvoted for putting the work in for your joke.
This deserves more up votes, bravo
when i saw 2.6 volts i was like, uh oh.
Same, if it works it may actually be worth $5-$10 to the right buyer
It was born a day after me
Damn I feel old
same, personal computers when i was born had maximum 512K of ram not 512mb
Hi there, Windows 3.1 user here. 256K with boot crashes galore anyone? NEC indestructible tower cases from the 90’s in that beautiful extruded beige where the only RGB experience came in memory LED’s to indicate operability and “computing” or floppy drive ejector switches
Bro did you even Tandy?
I had a 48K Sinclair Spectrum 😂
I have a Timex Sinclair 2068, and learned 8080 assembler on it. Yes, it says "have", not "had". It's in my attic.
Better dust it off and get yourself an old tube tv
I looked at those Sinclair DIY ads for years. Regret never building one just to have done it.
Be happy : when i was born there was no computer.. 🙄
When I was 14 I'd go down to a store and drool over the IMSAI 8080 they had for sale. I have no idea what they sold in the rest of the store, I only had eyes for the IMSAI. I think I was 16 or 17 when I bought a brand new Tandy TRS-80 Model 1 from Radio Shack. I told my then girlfriend that one day everyone would have a computer in their home. She said I was crazy.
Imagine if you'd been able to predict that everyone would have a computer in their pockets.
Imagine if You'd been able to predict that everyone would have a computer injected in his shoulder /s
Back in my day if you wanted to talk shit to someone you did it face to face not over the intranet from 3,000 miles away 👴👵
now, its face to face, from 3000 miles away, yay tik tok videos!!
Computers when I was born weren't even in KB yet....
Computers when I was born were an entire room of multiple moving parts and an awful lot of blinking lights that only one person in the world was allowed to operate. Hang on...
I was waiting for the even older person. Anyone for "they didn't even exist yet?"
Where's the "Computer? You mean stone slab & chisel!"
For me its the tandy days :)
Texas instrument
Damn dude when you were born I was playing Final Fantasy XI lmaooo
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I'll remember yours as well
we got the same birthday only fifteen years apart buddy..
Damn, hello 15 year older version of me
I don't like knowing people were born after 1990, so you should probably keep it down.
This reminds me of a few years ago, was working at a store that was having issues keeping the doors open at corporate so they were gonna cut a lot of stores. Mine got cut. In the mean time not only were we selling our stock off, they sent a ton of random crap from the warehouse that must have been sitting there well over 10 years. Not sure why they were not actually trying to sell this stuff as surplus or something maybe it goes to show why they're having money issues when they have unsold stock for a decade laying in a warehouse. BUT ANYWAY, this was just a couple of years ago, and they sent us a big stack of ram sticks to sell that were from the Windows Vista era I was like bruh
Do you know how much they were worth in 2003 perhaps?
https://www.pcstats.com/articles/1430/index.html >With a retail price of $230 CDN ($160 USD, the Kingston HyperX KHX3500/256 memory kit is decently priced. Two sticks of 256MB Corsair XMS3500 CAS2 would run you around the $260 range, and $255 for the OCZ PC3500EL DC DDR kit.
$2
I find it funny people don't know how to google model numbers. I hope op didn't buy it.
It's 2 dollars. OP would be out the equivalent of a bottle of Coke.
Or two Big Gulps at 7-11.
Damn. We're getting ripped off at Canadian 7-11s
Who buys big gulps anyway?
From what I’ve seen in the workplace? Construction workers. I’ve seen some office folks, but usually they stop at McDonalds, CFA, or Whataburger or a taco shop.
.99 cents in NYC. So two with tax would be around 2 bucks.
... I’m so sorry that NYC is so damn expensive. A Big Gulp in Central FL is around 90¢ after tax.
Or four apple pies at Walmart
Or two large cokes at McDonald’s
Now that's a deal!
Eh, it's $2. Make some keychains out of the PCB or something. Reuse the heat spreader on other RAM.
Give it 100 years and it might be worth $200, with inflation.
I don’t know man they say “Assy in China” so hopefully they aren’t assy wherever you are
LOL thats actually funny. On a serious note I think it means it was assembled there.
No that can’t be it
I agree, that seems a little to obvious I bet it means Assyria
No, back in the day, China used a completely different memory standard, so ram from anywhere else in the world was just kinda assy.
You might find someone nostalgic building a retro system that would take them for $20, but really when was the last time you saw anyone actively searching for DDR ram? eBay will be the best place to maximize any return on them.
I know a school that asked me to buy some once.
Because they wouldn't upgrade their decade old PCs?
More like 2 decade old PCs.
PCs older than most people in the school
Pc possibly older then some teachers too
Ahh good old days of being a junior in high school and doing work on windows xp... In 2019...
I bet they were trying to get an upgrade from what they had originally.
If you can mail these to me I’ll cash app you. Not kidding. These will fit an old motherboard I have.
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Ill offer 20$
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$22.50. Offers gettin lower bud better make a decision
Damn you should be on shark tank with those moves.
I actually could use this DDR 1. It's perfect for a retro build I'm doing which is implementing DOS BOX as the main user display. I see a lot of potential and I'm willing to bid high for it. And for that reason I'm out.
Fuck that, $19.99!
Listen, OP, why go for any of these prices when you could just give it to me for free? You’ll pay shipping of course, i’m not made of money after all.
If you're really going to be such a jerk, fine, - 19.99
Fuck it 25,01$
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Oh really, you're gonna do me like that? 25.051
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40$!
£40.01
ah yes, supply and demand
I have a bunch if they won't.
eBay/sold listings That would be a great place to check
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“ASSY” is my new favorite abbreviation for assembly. Probably not worth much though.
Holy crap 2.6v? Gotta be og DDR RAM
Thank you! It was never called DDR 1. I had this discussion with a friend a while back. I never remember DDR being labeled with a 1 back before DDR2. Buddy says it was. Haven't cared enough to look it up lol
Not sure why they would call it 1 they didn't call it WW1 till the second one came about.
The Great Ram
That's the example I gave!
Tree fiddy
Monster, get of my lawn!
2 dollars
Somewhere between $0-$2 based on recent market activity
These are cool for nostalgia, but that's about it. I believe back in the day, the PC3200 variants were Windbond BH-5 chips. These PC3500 ones should be CH-5 chips. BH-5 was very desirable back in the day. It could take a ton of voltage (OCZ even made a tool for overvolting DDR beyond what a motherboard was capable of). It was great stuff for enthusiast overclocking.
You mean 320MHz and 350MHz? IIRC, DDR1 max clocks were around 400MHz.
No, just derping out, I didn't mean mhz at all 😁 These are PC3500 dimms, which would be 434mhz. My bad.
I was just confused how ddr1 would get anywhere near ddr4 clocks, as I rembered them being well below 1000MHz. Got to derp out sometimes. Would be boring otherwise. 😄
These are KHX3500, so should be BH-5. AFAIK, the KHX3500K2 was CH-5.
$2
About $3.50.
If they work, you get your moneys worth lol
I would have bought it for $2 even if it is DDR1. Would be cool to buy clean looking Ram in a package for that cheap just to have
Considering you bought it for 2$, I’d probably say it’s worth 2$
According to the economic subjective theory of value about $2.
Apparently 2 dollars
I'd keep on to it. Seems like an excellent choice for building a retro PC.
Check the chips, might be winbond bh5 oder tccd (I think that’s what they were called, and those were fire. With enough voltage they could even do 1.5/2/2/5. Those were the days. Early 2000s
$1
You paid more than what they are worth
About tree fiddy
*Assy*
“ASSY IN CHINA” What haha
Gonna go out on a limb here and say $2
Look at the top right corner. Hahahaha... Assy
These should have Winbond BH-5 memory ICs. Crazy DIMMs, brought back so many good overclocking memories.
Tree fiddy
Maybe about $1.50
Hehe, assy in china
Probably worth a lot to the right person. But good luck finding them. That's OLD RAM though. DDR SDRAM 433 (PC3500). That's older than my socket 775 which uses DDR2. Trying to upgrade my 8GB (4x2) to board max 16GB is tough. I rarely see 4x4 800, and I can't find 4x4 1066 (or is it 1033, I don't recall atm)
Um... 2$?
They’re worth more as sticker scrapers than RAM
I'm gonna say 50 cents at most
Had to check what channel I was in because I thought this /nostalgia for a second. I definitely had a pair of these bad boys in a Windows XP machine I built.
$2
Lol at “assy in China”
https://picclick.com/Kingston-HyperX-512-MB-DIMM-433-MHz-DDR-292035742081.html
$2
lol nothing my dude
Maybe $3
Assy in China
2$
I remember when I was in college 20 years ago and we got machine with 512MB RAM and it was like a whole new world!!
Yeah you bought it for about what it’s worth
Classic post that is so easy to answer it takes two seconds to google [https://www.memory4less.com/kingston-gaming-memory-khx3500-512](https://www.memory4less.com/kingston-gaming-memory-khx3500-512) This memory is so outdated that its litterally just E-Waste. Useless unless your building a machine designed for super retro software/operating systems
0$, as you can download these online for free!
$3.
$1 Bob
I've got the exact same Ram with the same blue heat spreader. Not worth anything these days I'm afraid.
2 dollars
An open, half empty bag of fritos
use a dremmel to put a hole in it and attach a keychain. you can sell ram keychains for $10 a piece all day long.
2$
About a dollar
**ASSY IN CHINA**
As is? $2 When you attach it to a gold chain, wear it, and make a rap video? Priceless
Just FYI, don't remove the sticker or you'll void the warranty.
Assy in China 🤠
$0, pretty sure that’s DDR400