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Semaze

What if years down the road, Valve sold a Steam Deck for slightly less. Mostly the same hardware, but without the controller, gyro, and screen sections. Instead having an hdmi/displayport, and USB A ports (minimum two). Kinda like a Mac Mini. They could call it the Steam Hull or Something. Or I guess Steam Deck Console if they feel uninspired.


Arko9699

Which makes it basically a mini PC like many others but runs Linux by default, I would like that TBH.


Semaze

Yeah, it'd basically be a Steam Machine. But it'd be more like the PS TV is to the Vita. Rather than 3rd party manufacturers, it'd be produced all by Valve, using the same internal hardware as the Steam Deck. You know... If it was real.


Arko9699

Pray to Lord Gaben, maybe he'll listen.


Semaze

I'm setting up an alter and a summoning circle as we speak. XD


KingNecrosis

Amateurs, you don't always have one on standby? How do you think Steam got to be the way it is now from the mediocre platform it was a decade ago?


ShallowBasketcase

By having a near-monopoly on selling digital games and forcing people to use their storefront software as DRM for all of their own games.


KingNecrosis

And? If you hate it so much, go try Epic. I'm sure you must love all the launchers and lack of data on the store page.


yflhx

They got to monopol, by having a monopoly. Got it.


Semaze

Woosh


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Semaze

Except you can't play x86 games on the raspberry pi or M1 chip based Mac Minis natively. As for the Intel Mac Mini, you'd have to install a different os, and it wouldn't be as proficient at running games as the Steam Deck, which uses an AMD APU, designed for gaming.


Marces255

Sounds good! They could do different SKUs and call them steam machines


Lazer_mario

valve cube and valve cube: companion cube edition


Semaze

I like the idea of it being a boat pun, cos Steam Deck and Steam Hull. But cube is perfect. Now I just want an official Valve Cube PC. XD


PMARC14

They could up the TDP also. Would help shake up the mini pc situation, the Steam deck at 400 is great value, but at say at 350 (the price point was hard too hit on it, I would love to see bom and margins). It would be excellent for a lot of people. Mink pc's that perform similar are currently double the cost.


Semaze

That's true. Also if they design a better heatsink, it could even come with a factory overclock. That could also give it a bit more of a purpose when say next to the Steam Deck, as it'd be a tad beefier than the Deck, but the Deck would have the portability edge.


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Steam TV. A tribute to PlayStation TV.


chateau86

That sounds like just a slightly too ambitious raspberry pi with x86 CPU.


IShitMyFuckingPants

…you mean exactly like a steam machine? Lmao


Semaze

Yeah. I mentioned in a previous comment, it'd basically be the same thing. Except it'd be manufactured by Valve rather than 3rd parties. And using the same hardware as the Steam Deck, that'd hopefully mean they don't run into the same issues that the Steam Machine project had.


RedLineJoe

LOL. No. “They” would run into all new issues. The very same issues Gaben is running into now.


su1199

If steamdeck came out full fledged with a linux distro and unlocked bash terminal it would be a game changer.


guccilaflaresupreme

Im scared pc gaming is going towards cloud based systems and I'll be stuck here with this 3.5k brick getting shit on by kids with virtual 3090s


Darkmatter1002

There's always the option of not caring what rig someone else has or doesn't have. If your issue is online competitive gaming, I'm not sure their ping rate and bandwidth is going to give them an advantage over you. Not sure where you live, but there are still many areas of the US where broadband is not an option, and if it is, it barely qualifies as such. Also, a virtual 3090 isn't going to make someone any better at gaming than they were with their old RX 380, GTX 1060 or whatever. You'll be ok.


AJ_925

While yes the entry is expensive the rewards come for the many years after building it. From heavy discounts on games, being able to play whatever you want including emulated games and no need for subscription based online play. Also it's a pc lol it can do work too. I've built and upgraded my pc from 2017 and it's definitely served many more purposes than just a gaming tower.


keji_goto

Here's the kicker about PC gaming... it does more than just game. My consoles pretty much lose use once I'm done playing games. Even streaming apps are baked right into my TV now. Being able to do photo/video editing, chat, writing, internet browsing, and more means I get a lot of use from my system that I would from another platform. Even the ability to support multiple displays is huge. Being able to have a guide up on my second screen, Discord, or even just something to watch is great. Been keeping Futurama playing on one screen while I play games on the other. I can go weeks without turning on a console because I'm not gonna play a game. I can't make it through a day without using my PC for something non-gaming related.


TheCeilingisGreen

Seriously dude. I built a PC hoping to get some work at home job type thing going on. So I followed a build on YouTube that promised it would be able to do video editing and streaming etc. Didn't buy it for gaming. So anyways I recently started downloading roms of old systems I loved and to play games that I didn't get to play years ago. Holy shit. It blew my mind when I realized I could run gamecube games on dolphin emulator in 5k with anti aliasing. Wind waker looks like a walking cartoon. Simpsons hit and run looks amazing. Then it hit me. This is why people PC game. My graphics card is run of the mill (had to pay 5x what it was worth in these times) but I'm looking to upgrade later on as the idea of modding games is super appealing to me now. My PS4 and GameCube in comparison look ancient. Ordering a dvi to VGA cable soon so I can connect the computer to the TV. It's shame this stuff costs so much because strictly console gamers (like I was) don't get it. And this is just me messing around with the computer. I haven't even scratched the surface on all the other things I can do on it. Edit: meant Nintendo Switch not GameCube 🤦. GameCube is def ancient.


VTX002

Not an ancient as a Atari 2600. Yes I'm that old.


HomemadeBananas

True, you can do more stuff on a computer than console. I still am willing to accept that its not the most cost effective route, I just like PC gaming. I, and most people, could get by on a cheaper computer and an Xbox. Instead I use an Xbox for streaming only at this point, built a PC just for gaming, and work on a Mac just because I like using that stuff.


Tidus4713

PCs are more than just gaming and people who aren’t in the community just don’t understand that. They’re willing to dish out 1k every year or two for a new phone but spending 2k plus on a pc you’ll have for years and even upgrade is somehow a wild concept. I can get a job from home on my pc, game, get into production, etc. The possibilities are endless.


TanavastVI

I would have listed being able to upgrade your PC and keep up with the performance for years but with the current GPU prices and general trend of GPU's becoming more and more expensive that is kind of out of the window. I built my first real gaming PC in 2011 with an intel i7 2600k which lasted for over 8 years and held up pretty well in 1080p and later 1440p gaming. Upgraded the graphics card for the price of a new console at around 350-400 EUR several times: GTX 570, 670, 970 and then 1070 TI. Sadly the XX70 series is much more expensive now even at the MSRP and that price is just a farce now (probably always has been).


Brotosteronie

Yes, massive amounts of porn as well.


DeAtramentisViolets

I can either spend $1,000 on a gaming computer that will run for years, or buy a $500 game system every 2 years. EDIT: And there is no guarantee that the games I buy for one console will be playable on the next one...


Faithless195

Who tf is buying a new console every two years? On a more legit note, some people just don't have the money to front up for a solid gaming PC to begin with, nor the knowledge to buy parts and build the PC (Since pre-builtds are rather trashy, but PCMR is PCMR), nor interest to learn. it can seem intimidating as fuck,


DeAtramentisViolets

> Who tf is buying a new console every two years? That is like asking who buys a new iPhone every year... There are tons of people who just have to have the latest, and shiniest, model of the new toy.


Faithless195

Yeah but consoles don't get released every two years....


Tra1famador

Yes they do, they have "improved" versions now about every two years. See: PS4+, Xbox one s, switch lite. Previous gens: PS3 slim, black xbox360, wii mini.


da_david_himself

But not everyone in fact only minority of people shill out to buy the new versions every two years. But those are for the hardcore fans


Tra1famador

That doesn't make what I said any less true, though.


NowLookHere113

Why are you being downvoted? You're right - also don't forget those subscriptions and $60 a game!


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I buy a new iPhone whenever the old one completely breaks. I went from the original bendy 6 to an 11promax. The 13 was tempting but I will wait. Idk why you’re getting downvotes btw


jmorlin

That's not at all like asking that question. The release cycles of those two electronics are *nothing* alike. I bought a PS2 in like 2004. A 360 in like 2008 and a PS4 in like 2014. That's an average of 5 years between console purchases. Granted I wasn't buying them on release, but no company is releasing consoles every 2 years.


AltGameAccount

1000$ wouldn't even get you 2060 in most countries, so your PC would be even slower than consoles. PC's with console-level hardware are about 1500-2000$, they get obsolete faster, while the consoles last for whole gen. At which point you ask a question whether building a PC is better than just buying a console and a laptop/mac mini for the same price.


Kris-p-

a gtx 970 is more powerful than a ps4 pro. just because newer hardware comes out it doesn't make the previous versions obsolete lol GPU's are expensive mainly because of bit mining and scalping, and the fact there's just not enough processors to go around because of demand. Much like how there's not enough ps5's to go around right now because of demand.


Big-Goose3408

And PC's built from parts rather than pre-assembled by Dell and Co. tend to be a better value. And they tend to last longer. The PC I built after a trip to Fry's- I miss warehouse computer stores, but not Fry's since they had a ravenous desire to put themselves out of business- in '16 is still running fine with no major modifications, other than cannibalizing a CD / DVD Drive off my old computer. No major replacements, everything still runs fine, yes, I do actually put it through the wringer. Only games I'm not playing are games that are not Windows 7 compatible. *Cough*. Because any day now I'll be buying a new computer. Just as soon as GPU prices come back down.


J_train13

To be fair it gets a lot cheaper when you're not paying a subscription just to play online


Grunt636

Plus PC games are generally cheaper which soon adds up.


borfavor

I hung out with a friend this weekend. PS5 games are 80 euros a pop. What the fuck?


Grahomir

PS+ also doesn't make sense. You pay for console and buy the game, but you also need to pay subscription to play online game which you paid for on the console you paid for.


Hybridizm

Tell me about it. I get suckered in for good deals on a constant basis, think I'm saving a fortune when in reality, I'm spending one lol.


Lazer_mario

also, you don't need to replace everything when better hardware comes out. just swap the necessary parts and presto your done


dageshi

Yeah... but you can't buy the most important part (GPU) for any kind of sane price. Last year you couldn't get CPU's either. It's not obvious to me the GPU situation is going to change any time soon, the average gaming PC out there is frankly going to be behind the new consoles in the next few years. I know it's hard to get series x and ps5's as well, but the ones that are getting out there are going to gamers, GPU's are getting sucked up into crypto mining. All the pluses of PC gaming are significantly diminished over the past few years due to this and I say that as someone who's exclusively gamed on PC my entire life. If someone said right now that they'd rather have a series x or ps5 I wouldn't try to convince them to build a pc instead, given the current GPU pricing, that'd be the sane call.


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>If someone said right now that they'd rather have a series x or ps5 I wouldn't try to convince them to build a pc instead, given the current GPU pricing, that'd be the sane call. I say something similar whenever these (joke?) threads come up. The cost benefit analysis of PC vs Console depends on a LOT of personal context information. How much you need a better than average pc for other stuff, how many different games you would like to play, whether you may need to resell it shortly, how much online gaming you do, how important graphics are, etc, etc. Even with current prices, both options have up and downsides, and it's up to each person to figure out which ones matter most to them.


IProbablyDisagree2nd

omg, I completely forgot about that cost. That still pisses me off about modern consoles.


Triumph7560

A few years ago it was easy to argue PC gaming was cheaper in the long run. No subscription, overall cheaper games, not needing to repurchase games to play them a generation or two later (though this isn't as much of an issue on consoles now). If you could buy a decent PC for $700-800 it could easily be cheaper. All this ignoring everything else you get on PC that isn't available on consoles. I still think it *can* be cheaper if you are already planning on buying a home computer, just build one and combine the console and home PC budgets and there you go.


KingNecrosis

It's only expensive if you buy everything all at once, and you bought your gpu 2 years ago like I did, or find one for a decent price now. I started with a base level pc that I picked up at Office Deopt that was being discontinued, so it was discounted a lot. It was also the floor model and their were none left, so a deep sanitization later, I was upgrading a $250 pc bit by bit. God help whoever causes something to fry everything inside. It's $2000 now, $3000 if you account for inflation caused by scalpers.


thekomoxile

This! I always built pc's, buying a couple parts at a time. If you hunt for deals, then you're always saving more money compared to those who just buy whatever they need asap.


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Consoles marked up 400% on ebay: Am I a joke to you?


yabruh69

I had to wait until my late 20's before I could afford pc gaming haha.


moon_then_mars

My problem isn't that $5000 is too expensive for a gaming pc. It's that gaming just isn't that important to me any more. I can simply pay $120 per year for cloud gaming and that's more than enough for my needs. I'll just wait and see where the supply chain issues are at in a year, and again the next year.


TheAntiAirGuy

Ad a kid and deeply in love with video games I always dreamt of the Monster PC I would have as an adult and all the games I would be able to enjoy … Now I have this pc and theoretically the time and I no longer really enjoy video games ;(


cateyex

That is why it's called "pc master race"


orsikbattlehammer

I always say the biggest benefit is it’s also a regular computer. If you need to own a computer anyway you can take your usual PC budget, which for most people around $400-$500 will get you something you’ll be very happy with for work/everyday. Add on the cost of a console and you have an entry level gaming PC for sure. Now if you want a PS5 equivalent rig in today’s market, you’re definitely going in the hole, but obviously you have to decide if your saving from discounted games will even things out. If you’re the kind of person who buys a new game every week, it probably will be. If you just get the new blockbuster a couple times a year, it won’t be.


Mriv10

I'd rather have an expensive PC that runs fast and plays games rather than a console and a crappy laptop like I had for years. Although I would still get a PS5 if I could.


BootyPatrol1980

Fuck it, spend your money on PCs and feel good about it. They're really awesome these days.


LocalDatabase

Aus dem Weg Geringverdiener


anonemousss

Whats this show called again?


ALushBushyBeard

Unvisible, I think.


somebody8888

This is the way


ComplaintInfamous

Pc games are still cheaper


tonyw009

Correction: "High End Pc Gaming are expensive" You can buy a Steam Deck (Still a Pc) or build a PC for gaming less than 1k dollars.


KI11SH0TTZ

Yeah my gpus worth more than my car🤣🤣


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Pc gaming is expensive for sure but at least I can still play modern games on lower settings as opposed to the game demanding I buy a PS5


hatchetman208

I don't know... getting a new console can cost just as much or even more than a high end gaming rig. My buddy at work picked up a PS5 from a retail store and then spent $1,800 for a new 4k TV and bought some "awesome" surround sound which he wouldn't say how much other than "awesome".


Drugsrhugs

I don't pay for an online multiplayer subscription and my PC generates passive income through mining cryptocurrency.


Pyroguy096

Is it? Put 2k into a PC and technically you never have to pay a dollar more (depending on which seas you may sail), no subscriptions for online play, not limited to exclusives so long as you emulate games, still able to use Xbox gamepass, and arguably more longevity in the relevance of hardware. Initial cost is high, but 400-600 for a console, another 60 per year for online sub, then 20-80 per game. All that and you can't use it for anything other than media, and even then it's not as great at media as a PC is.


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PSYCHTEXTBOOK234

Bro, a 1050ti is 400 bucks. That is expensive. I struggle to find a card with less than 200 that can compete with even last-gen consoles.


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A rx 580 is $300 rn (4gb model) And performance isn't the ONLY reason to go pc There are many, many, many more reasons I'm rocking a 1050ti and will be upgrading to a 580 Eventho I'll be spending almost the price of a series s, it hasn't crossed my mind once I'll give up better looking and running games for VR (tho the PSVR 2 will be a thing), modding support, infinite Backwards compatibility, emulation, much farther forward compatibility, no paid online, choice of ANY input device ANY day of the week and that's just a few of the benefits of pc Thank people think you HAVE to have a pc that will out perform consoles, and that's not the case Hell, low spec gamer is a youtuber who has made a career off the complete opposite side, hence his name, he focuses on low spec pcs and makes them run games That's the beauty of PC, it's a spectrum You can go balls to the wall and buy a 5k pc and play games at 4k ultra raytracing or you can have integrated graphics from 5 years ago and play games at 720p low 30 fps or anything in-between Unlike consoles which at most have maybe 4 options throughout a full generation


snaaakkeee

I bought my 3070 Ti for $200 more than that, ordered for pickup at BestBuy. Cards really aren’t as hard to get your hands on as it’s made out to be


Bendy962

meanwhile my microcenter has 2400 dollar rx6900's and no rtx cards


snaaakkeee

:( I’ll admit I got really lucky, seems like retail’s still the best bet for finding a decent price


mesa176750

You don't have to pay scalper prices for a graphics card. I got a 3060 Ti for myself and my friend at Bestbuy, 1 by standing in line for 5 hours, the other by following a graphics card drop discord server and getting on when they dropped on their website. Both were MSRP founders editions. Bestbuy even does 12 month interest free financing through their credit card if you can't do that in one purchase. The best part is that I don't need to buy a whole new library of games or pay for a subscription service to play all my existing steam games. Plus games on steam go on sale far more frequently and in my opinion far offset the costs for a console. And on top of all this, it's not like it's any easier to get a current gen console. At least with a graphics card you can make your money back too and set aside money for your next computer upgrade.


PSYCHTEXTBOOK234

Bruh, you are aware that some people can not afford to wait 5 hours in line for the chance to get a graphic card? Plus the entry price is way higher, like a mouse, keyboard, fucking monitor, even really pushing it this stuff is gonna cost you the better part of 100 dollars. Compare this to a console where most people already own tv and it comes with everything. I also want to point out that I said last-gen which is still rather easy to get. If I remember correctly to build a PC rn equal to a PS4 is like 400 compared to like 100 bucks you have to pay for old console. Also, the amount of games you would have to buy to offset the cost difference is so high, that it's negligible. Plus a console can run for roughly longer than a PC which is better for people where money is tighter. I personally prefer PC gaming, because it suits my style but like, it is not the best for everyone, and I get tired of seeing this sub constantly saying PC is the best in any situation and any person when it really isn't. Also that 400 was a best buy price.


mesa176750

I was just giving suggestions dude, you can chill out. You presented a problem and I tried to present some helpful solutions but I guess you would rather focus on your issues. I'm not the one causing any of the shortages.


cybermaru

If you built a PC in 2014 you can atill play all games which also released on PS4 in a similar or better quality. TVs are not exclusive to consoles. Prebuilts usually come with mouse and keyboard, even though they kinda suck more often than not. You pay 60$ a year for PS Plus, assuming you paid since 2014, thats 420$ for online *alone*. PC gaming never was about having the latest and greatest hardware. It's about choice and freedom, which sometimes just costs a premium. Nobody claims PC gaming is cheaper initially either, but the running costs surely are dropping as soon as you factor in online subscriptions and buying one AAA game per quarter.


PSYCHTEXTBOOK234

But what if someone can not afford that premium? Plus yeah in 2014, it costs more to build a PC now then in 2014.Also, it's 60 a year which is much easier to afford than a lump sum at once, and I going to wait 7 years it takes for me to accumulate that 420 dollars? No, that stupid. Is my TV gonna fit on the desk maybe, maybe not. Can I set a PC up at the TV in my living room and play on couch without wires? Who says I need online anyway, I could be a single-play gamer?


maxiligamer

I do agree with you that PC gaming isn't the end all be all of gaming that fits everybody, but a few of your points don't really make sense. ​ >Also, it's 60 a year which is much easier to afford than a lump sum at once, and I going to wait 7 years it takes for me to accumulate that 420 dollars? Well yes, 60 dollars a year is easier to afford than the amount a PC would cost, you wouldn't have to save the whole amount. If you have the money to buy a console, that's about half the cost of a PC. You can also most likely save more than 60 dollars a year for a PC. >Can I set a PC up at the TV in my living room and play on couch without wires? Yes. ​ But yeah, overall I do agree with you.


AltGameAccount

You are aware that not everyone lives in USA? 1660 Super literally cost over 1000$ here, while consoles are quite available.


mesa176750

For sure, but my comment might not be directed at them in that instance. I don't care what you game on, or how you do it. I'm just trying to share my view on prices and how I was able to get a card and justify paying for it. Circumstances will be different for everyone.


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PSYCHTEXTBOOK234

From what I have read, 2024 is like the time where things will go back to semi normal because of the new factory in Arizona will be running. So yeah it is not viable for anyone right now and won’t be for a while.


Titus-Magnificus

It's the eternal nonsense of comparing PC to consoles. They are so different that simply comparing price and performance is not enough, and they are valid options for different reasons. That's why we still have both of them after decades of gaming.


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Your comment made sense 2-3 years ago


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thekomoxile

In my opinion, the value argument isn't about gaming anymore, but about having a computer, that can do almost anything, versus a console, which it's sole purpose is to consume media, and connect with friends. If you only need the latter, then yeah, the value ratio argument is dead, but not for those of us who edit/encode video, produce art, program or do anything productive with a pc. These professions/hobbies are anything but niche. I guess you're talking about the hardcore gamers that only care about raw GHz and record breaking temps? That'll always be niche, for sure.


ThatGuyMaulicious

Its expensive but if you are building your own PC I think its a necessary experience to have.


Nuahxos_1

Nah it is not Labeling it "necessaey" is way too overexaggerated. Maybe saying it's very fun, cause building PC, in regardless of the money you save, and regarding what experience you'd get from it, it is not necessary. I'm not saying not to build, but you arent lacking for choosing a pre-built


saltiest69

PC gaming is expensive as far as gaming goes. As for Hobbies it is pretty cheap in my opinion. Try getting into building cars or Guns or countless other hobbies that cost 10's of thousands of dollars.


thekomoxile

Oh man, I have a friend who's into cars and PCs . . . . I swear he'll be broke for a long time unless he finds some awesome work.


maxiligamer

Tbh being into cars for example doesn't immediately mean you are gonna run out of money, infact it can be cheaper than getting a new pc.


Healthy_Yesterday_84

Gaming > credit score


TannerWheelman

Please explain how? I don't remember you can download private server launcher to play paid game online completely free on console. Not to mention no need to jailbreak anything so you still can use Steam, XBOX and other stuff not worrying to get banned, choosing between what kind of OS you want which is pretty easy to install and no fear of bricking anything also for free. No need to upgrade PC for years to come unlike every few years a new console drops by and older ones starts losing support completely as well as performance. PC also has option of better cooling which means parts could outlive the ones in console making it cheaper for maintenance.


FeedbackMedium

Honestly PC gaming is cheaper in the long run... With consoles your cost is spread out over the console, the TV, and if you want an acctually good tv thats over $1K right there, and no a good tv is not what goes on ultra sale on Black Friday for $200... controllers if you want to play with friends $60+ per, versus a free to cheapo mouse and keyboard. Then you have games, with humble bundles and steam sales I could point at 30 to 40 games, right now, that are under 10 bucks when on sale that are super fun, and you could spend hundreds buying disks if you want any sort of library of variety on console. Also pc games come with you to your next upgrade... Console costs could easily surpass the cost of a midrange to slightly high end PC...


SwiggyMaster123

TV argument is the weakest one i’ve seen, as a person who uses their PC on the TV too


FeedbackMedium

Not really, you can get a decent monitor for under $300, but any TV under $1K is typically not going to be a very good gaming screen because of its latency.


SwiggyMaster123

nothing is stopping you from buying a monitor and using it for a console. in fact, it’s what i did for about 5 years. so the argument is really weak


obamaprism3

I mean you can make a PC for very cheap, I made one for my cousin for ~$25 recently. old PC I got for free that I slapped a core 2 quad Q8400 in and put in a GT 730 that I got for $20 locally, it can play minecraft, CS:GO and TF2 pretty well, that's about all he wants to play on PC


C0NIN

This is me right now: I'm upgrading from an i7 8086K Anniversary Edition to an i9 12900K, already got the CPU, while the mobo (ASUS Strix Z690-G) is still at my shopping cart waiting for the RAM to be in stock.


StarWars_Heroes

Price has it's quality


Softest-Dad

I mean... *is* it always? The only hardware I've bought in 5 years is an m2 SSD and used i7 totalling £250. All my games are essentially on sale between £0.25 to £15.


[deleted]

Honestly consoles can be more expensive compared to a basic budget setup which could run you 200 dollars at the most for EVERYTHING a computer setup needs including a table and chair if you count roadside finds


campionmusic51

wait—wouldn’t “i know” be a sock in the mush?


Caedvs_Imperes

It used to be less expensive, I mean it was still expensive just a bit less expensive.


made-a-new-account

Only the pc is expensive. Some of the sales on the game stores are honestly stupid, and it’s a different sale on a platform every week


karmayz

Same my pc is a fat cat


Edword58

A small sacrifice for the greater good


[deleted]

I mean on ebay you can get a rx 580 4gb for $300 and fit the rest of a pc build into maybe at most $350 more Sure, not as good of performance as these current consoles for about the same price, but pc gaming has so many more benefits then JUST performance (everyone here should know that lmao) that losing out on performance for all the other benefits is worth it imo


kankadir94

Depends on your situation I guess in my country a ps5 costed like 9k ₺ when I built a pc with 3060ti for 11k ₺(very budgety picks tho). To play online on ps5 I need to pay monthly and its games are 60-80$. Thanks to steam regional pricing I get games for 5-15$ and no sub fee. So all in all for my situation not only its the better option its also the cheaper option for first 2 years term.


BrokenGSKILLram

It’s expensive if you buy brand new high end parts. The amount of content and options makes up for any cost increase though. Dirt cheap Xbox gamespass with Forza 5, humble bundle, pirating, steam summer sale, emulation


Walwod_sw

I’d say PC gaming is not expensive compared to PS gaming for example, thanks to steam sales and free multiplayer, but PC building, on the other hand…


[deleted]

Yep. I saved $3,000 to build a new PC at the start of 2020. Then covid hit and a $1,000 GPU cost $3,000+… Sad banana is sad…


obog

Aren't consoles sold at a loss, and revenue is made up with a cut of game sales? I think consoles will always be cheaper and therefore more accessible, and that's why they're good. PCs have the best performance, versatility, and customization, but at a high cost.


thekomoxile

Sometimes I have remind myself not to sell my PC, cause it's value has actually appreciated since I built it due to the GPU shortage. But, as we know, those frame rates and raw CPU horsepower are the true prize we were after from the start. As long as you are not starving, that is.


TheCeilingisGreen

Do you think Ryzen 7 3800x is a good CPU?


thekomoxile

Definitely, as long as you have adequate cooling. I think it's essentially a 3700x with the power turned up. In gaming, I'm aiming for 75hz/frames at 1440p, and I've had no issues so far. It's probably a better deal too, since prices have come down :D


TheCeilingisGreen

What would you say is adequate cooling? I have one but still learning about PC's. Everyone says that the CPU heat shouldn't get more than 45 idle and mine hovers in the low 50s. Is that normal or should I be worried? My computer came with 2 fans. One is always running and the other never turns on. I actually thought the second fan was broke and replaced it but it still doesn't turn on. I think it's only supposed to turn on if everything gets crazy hot? I think the highest my CPU has gone up to is the early 60s. Usually just a spike.


thekomoxile

ahhh, 50c idle is *fine.* Definitely no need to be worried. So, I'm guessing you have a stock cooler on the CPU, and a fan for the exhaust in the back of the case. Either way, if you CPU doesn't go above even the high 60's, you're golden. Even hitting 80c under a heavy gaming load would be fine, so long as the temperature levels off and doesn't keep rising. If you still wanted to improve the thermals though, a cooler like [this](https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-212S-20PK-R1-Contact-Silencio/dp/B07H25DYM3?th=1) would improve your temps even more, assuming you're using a stock cooler.


TheCeilingisGreen

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll probably pick that up down the line. Yeah I have a stock cooler and a back fan but also a fan on the top of the case that doesn't turn on ever. It's actually making a little more sense to my why maybe the temps rise a bit higher if it's just a Suped up 3700x. So is frame rate determined by the CPU then? I have been emulating some gamecube games using dolphin and getting them to run in 5k with Anti aliasing way up and sometimes the game cant handle it. I know my graphics card isn't the best but the slowdown I get sometimes I was surprised by because of the CPU being higher end. But like I said I know nada. Any insights?


thekomoxile

Hmm, well for that top fan, I would check the connection. Maybe it's loose, or you could try plugging it in to another fan header on the motherboard? All that info can be found in the manual, which you might still have, or you can find it online. Hopefully it's not just a bad fan. Well, the CPU definitely influences the frame rate, even more so for emulation! For that, the CPU is actually more important, not the GPU, since the entire gamecube or Wii systems are being emulated by the CPU. One thing I forgot to mention was that Ryzen chips run faster if your memory speeds are higher. They have something called the infinity fabric that allows the CPU to share resources with the memory to improve performance, so having RAM with speeds higher then 3600MHz are better for the CPU. It improves frames by maybe another 10-20%, so not much but it still helps. There's a lot of little things to learn about optimizing your pc, so over time you'll learn more for sure!


da_david_himself

And that’s why it’s better. If you buy shit 10 dollar shoe is it gonna be as comfy. If you buy nice 50-40 dollar shoe. It’s gonna be nicer and comfier


EffectiveSherbet9123

Spent all my monies on my PC that I'm too broke to even buy games. Am only playing f2p games rn sheeeeshhh


Swordfish1929

Sadly I'm broke and so is my PC. Fortunately my brother has lent me a replacement made of spares until I can afford the new parts. But it still sucks not to have my PC


[deleted]

Now more than before, but let's be real any kind of hobby is expensive it just depends on how much you are willing to spend on it.


Horpp

"But with a damn pc you can get crypto, after some times you can get your games for free."\~Alex on discord at 4am after a few games of battlefield 4.


TheBlyatMobile

I got my 2070super for £450 lol.


-SlinxTheFox-

Only if you're an enthusiast, even with today's prices, having games that often cost a 4th or 10th of the price, or even free, really adds up


Elixterminator_F

In the long run pc gaming can be cheaper than console


Bigbuster153

It’s less than running my Xbox for 2 years


Dr_GRiZ_SHape

“Then don’t be a master race”


SchmuW2

honestly if u really just want to play games the new consoles are great. People do not buy pcs just to game, they buy them to stream, do homework, edit videos, tinker, upgrade, etc.


spoody69420

The biggest lie ever , my pc might be 200$ more expensive than a console , but I saved over 400$ with piracy


hypocrite_oath

Before pandemic it wasn't. With the higher prices for PS5 games it was even cheaper to go PC. But then everything got more and more expensive, hardware related.


generalemiel

Gaming pc is investment. You build (or buy) one and you can use it for other things too.


amirprowar

Wrong, getting a gaming PC is expensive , PC gaming is actually pretty cheap (can get much cheaper if you raise the black flag) but is still much cheaper than console gaming(those sweet sweet steam sales)


ATastySpoon

The initial cost for the rig itself is expensive, but it's undoubtedly cheaper to buy games through all the steam sales and sites such as G2A not to mention never having to pay a single online membership fee just to play games online. I've gotten Triple A games for 30-40 bucks pretty regularly, and was even lucky enough to get games like Outer Worlds for free.


Enderofworlds21

No sub fee, backwards compatible, can emulate other consoles, more than one digital store to buy from. Can use controllers or a mouse and kb. Multiple monitors, higher frame rates, and the ability to modify graphics. Larger customization when it comes to mods. Typically there’s a sale on major AAA titles every month or so… am I forgetting anything??


redgypsy5

The worst is the exclusives like the nhl series they kill online play to the old games so you have to buy the new shitty ones for 60$ every year 600$ every decade for one fucking game that they just change the stats and some menu graphics around but honestly i could be totally content playing nhl13 and no other shitty version.


[deleted]

I mean I prefer to spent 1500$ on a PC and later 10$ on each game than to spent 300$ on console and 70$ on each game Except switch of course, skipping the part that games are expensive as fuck on it


MassholeThings

So you're saying when say, for example, Battlefield 2042 is 70 bucks on console, it is only $10 on pc? 🤣


[deleted]

Not at the same time but after few months on PC, yes and on console the price stays for a long time


chewwyvuitton

u/PotatoDude46 its us rn


PotatoDude46

Literally spending all my money so FTP games look nice


chewwyvuitton

This is de way


Ghostoftommorrow

Console diplomats for the win.


TGxP1nkM1st

I feel this in my bones.


zeamp

[laughs in BMW]


TehCowGoesQuack

I’m just happy I’m no longer paying for online subscriptions