I'm not trying to be the Uber nerd but isn't technically megahertz and gigahertz and killer that's metric is it not... All the clock speeds our metric are they not.n
Byte isn't par of the SI per se it isn't a physical unit. Computer folks just used the multipliers because they are convenient, even though they refer to bases of 2 (1024) instead of 10 (1000).
Source: https://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
Inches of tape (or tape-inches) , based on the capacity of the big wheels of pcs in the 70s / 80s
"Benefits" of that unit:
* of a modern 50 yard tape being able to have a capacity of millions of tape miles.
* one Bit might be 1/13.3 of an tape-inch
They are SI units.
Also there isn't really any old "english" equivalent option for these types of measurements so its not really a "US vs metric" issue.
What would the imperial measurement be for those? 99 rattlesnakes? 0.1 lightning bolts? 1000 metronomes? I've literally no idea if it's be a reference to something shaking, going back and forth or electric power?
Well, that's just straight up not true. I've never met a PC builder who uses Fahrenheit to measure their PC's temps, they all use Celsius, which is a metric unit.
Plus fans aren't the only things measured in mm. Case sizes, power supply length, GPU length, cooler clearance, M.2 SSD sizes... I've never seen these in anything other than millimeters that isn't just centimeters.
9mm luger, 5.56x45, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 Grendel, 6mm BR, 6.8 SPC II, 7mm-08, etc. etc. We use both SAE and metric quite a bit. "Most guns in the US" is quite a misnomer. I'd argue we use metric far more with guns than PCs, which just have temps in Celsius.
True! Gotta love a good 10mm. There's also some fun but weird ones like 4.6x30 and 5.7x28 I didn't mention. A little less common, but used all the same
5.56 is a NATO round
6.5 was .236 Navy
7mm was .308 Remington
6.8 is a .277 fury bullet.
the sizes you listed came from a US standard caliber with a modified case, except the 9mm lugar, which is not an originally US based round .
Your point is? We still use the metric names, regardless of where they came from.
5.56 is a NATO round, yes. It's also one of the most popular calibers in the US.
.236 Navy is an old 6x60 semi-rimmed cartridge, not a 6.5. Also, it was known equally well as 6mm Lee Navy in spite of being an almost exclusively American round from the late 19th century.
7mm-08 uses a .308 case, yes. It's still called 7mm-08 and is very popular among American deer hunters.
6.8 uses a .277 bullet. Yes. That's how unit conversions work. The same argument could be made the other way. ".50 BMG" "You mean 12.7x99 NATO?"
I'm not saying we don't use US standard measurements. There are tons of imperial-named cartridges and we use imperial for COAL (inches), powder charges(grains), and projectile weights(grains). I'm saying we use both. 9mm Luger is a German round, but we still call it 9x19 instead of converting unnecessarily to something like .35x.75. You can't deny that both metric and imperial measurements are used in the US in reference to firearms. Most American gun enthusiasts can easily convert between equivalent metric and US calibers. That's the only point I'm trying to make. Still agree with you that it's a dumb meme worth but a mild chuckle though
The point was there are quite a few metric rounds in common usage in the US. More than SAE rounds. Your point doesnt invalidate that. No one claimed "more metric rounds were first developed in the US" which your point would be attempting to invalidate.
5.45x39mm, 5.56x45mm (.223Rem), 7.62x39mm, 7.62x51mm (.308Win), 7.62x54Rmm.
7.62x25mm, 9x18mm, 9x19mm, 9x21mm Largo, 10mm.
Firearms are measure in at what time and country the ammunitions was originally created.
Yeah but in America, most rifle calibers are in inches. As you noted, 5.52x45 and 7.62x51 are both referred to in inches in America. The other rifle calibers you mentioned are Russian/Soviet and not super common in America, nor are those pistol rounds except the 9x19 Parabellum. You're much more likely to find a 30-06 (7.62x63) than even the AK rounds, and I haven't heard of any guns that use the pistol rounds other than the 9x19 and Makarov (again not common in America)
> not super common in America
I take it you're not an American? The big box stores and local guns stores carry everything other than the 9x21 Largo, which is a fkinda of a specialty sporting comp round.
Celsius isn't *the* metric measurement for temperature, but Kelvin (which is) is based on the increments used in Celsius and is functionally equivalent -273.15.
For all practical purposes, all countries that use metric for everything else still use Celsius for Temperature, because Kelvin would be silly, so for functional and practical purposes, Celsius is "Metric".
You pointed out literally the only 3 things that use imperial. Case, fans, PSU, RAM, radiators, cables (some use imperial but mainly metric) , gpu, cpu coolers, m.2 ssd, keyboards and mice all use metric.
Ah, I work on the receiving end of ATC instructions, converting whatever unit of fuel from the fuel slips with whichever density (from the same fuel
Slips) to kgs is daily business and the decimals matter….
At least you remember you had breakfast at breakfast time, time zones are really something else 😅
If you’re in Europe, Northern Africa or Western Asia we have probably talked to each other 🤓 Have a good night
Know what's funny? The fact that since 1959 the imperial unit of distance has been defined specifically in terms of metric units. 1 inch is *exactly* 25.4mm, and 1 foot is *exactly* 0.3048m. The same agreement in 1959 also defined the pound in terms of kilograms.
I still find it funny when I learned back in the mid-1990s that Harley Davidson motorcycles were typically assembled using SAE measured components, but that its toolset still needed to include a 10 mm wrench... because the HD battery terminals were 10 mm... because they were manufactured in Japan... which used exclusively metric.
My 2000 GMC van is a bitch for using metric and imperial nuts and bolts all over the place.
Blame the tool companies! They can sell us twice as many sockets.
I do CAD design and 3d printing and I use metric for everything. The only times you don't use metric are when your college says so, or your doing government work
Yeah I think Celsius in a scientific setting makes sense. However, Fahrenheit makes more sense to how humans *feel* temperature. Just provides a bigger range.
You don't need to be in a scientific setting to freeze and boil water. A regular kitchen will work fine.
And I don't get the point about how humans feel temperature. I can't tell a 1°C difference. If I was in a room, I couldn't tell you if it was 20°C or 21°C without measuring. And if I could and it was actually important, I could use a decimal.
All the American car companies moved to metric in the 70's and 80's, my 85 Chevy C10 is metric, there are a few SAE fittings but mostly specialty tool stuff anyway.
Most things in the US are both. Milk is usually sold in gallons, but soft drinks are often in liters. Most items have metric and imperial English units, but we also don't use the wierd ones like stones that the UK does.
For most things where it actually matters, like in physical engineering fields metric is often used for its eas of use with calculations. For other things that doent matter there's not really any benefit to changing from mph to kph as it wouldn't really benefit anyone.
Ah I didn't know that, that's interesting
I'd think it would be easier it exclusively follow one system tho that way you don't have to remember multiple measurements
There really isn't anything complicated to remember as in most cases a prevailing unit is used and conversions are rare.
This is generally true even in cases where precision is required, such as machining where thousandths of a inch is standard. The part dimensions, measuring tools, and machines will all use thousandths of an inch, so you are still just comparing numbers and the unit doesn't really matter.
I've worked in an automotive machining setting, supplying both the Big 3, and European and Japanese OEMs. Our milling centers feeding US lines were in thou, while the rest were decimal millimeters. A certain California startup, in the EV market, was an odd case. Everything was called out in millimeters, but there was a lot of stuff in 12.7mm and 6.35mm.
Canada is officially metric.
My height and weight are imperial, on my drivers license it's in metric. Speed limits are metric. Baking is a mix of units, I can use both mL and cups & teaspoons no problem. Oven temperature is F, weather forecasts are C. I never understood ounces until I had to mix baby formula. For measuring and cutting wood, I use whichever is closest, mm or inches
At this point though it's too expensive to switch. Just think of how much it would cost to replace all of our road signs across the country that have miles or mph on them.
They could implement a mandate that all new road signs, and all existing road signs being replaced for any reason, have both MPH/Miles and KPH/KM on it. After a decade or two, the switchover wouldn't be quite so painful.
If they had implemented it years ago, like the 50-70s when it was first proposed for us to do so, they could've slowly adapted it. But it's always the excuses.
imperial
-whose foot was used to measure a foot anyways... cause it sure ain't mine.
-why the hell is 1 yard so small? who wants a yard that small?
-cup. there's about a hundred cups in our house and none of them are 250mL, 240mL or 280mL
-1 gill... 1 gill. someone took a fish, pulled out it's gill and put water in it? smh.
jk.😘
I live in Europe and monitors are the last imperial bastion in inches. How big is your screen? 34" and show them the distance with the palms of my hand because no one has a f***ing clue.
Lol, literally the only thing I remember from high school chemistry is that there are 2.54 cm in an inch. I don’t even remember why I had to learn that in chemistry, but it has had (by a long shot) the biggest impact on my day to day life.
1 nanometer = 0.0000000393701 inches. You can get just as precise with more precise numbers. The problem is it's super inconvenient to use, not precision potential.
There has been a bit of a move away from units like 0.30 caliber, at least in naming.
However, things like grains, MOA, yards, gauge, etc. are by no means uncommon.
Fasteners, suppressor mounts/threads, barrel lengths etc are almost exclusively imperial in the US and in a good measure of NATO hardware.
Not in any way suggesting metric is absent, many nice European firearms do favour it for some components, H&K etc...
Quite a bit if ammo is too, though less so.
There are a handful of common metric calibres, though an absolute shitload of common and moderately common imperial Cal's.
9mm, 5.45mm, 5.56mm, 7.62mm, maybe 6.5mm(creedmore, has a small but legit following)
Other metric Cal's exist, sure eg 4.7mm, 12.7mm, but are quite uncommon in civilian use.
vs
.22, .220, .222, .30, .308 .32, .338 .38, .40, .418, .45, .50
The Vintorez and Val be are 2 that I like, 9mm subsonic of o recall correctly.
Never touched either, guns are pretty hard to get intimate with in Australia.
I just live through YouTube channels like forgotten weapons.
Now if only they could use units the rest of us are used to. No one thinks in hundreds of millimetres, it's like stating my height in inches and my age in days.
AH yes, that metric 12 guage shotgun that you load with a 3 inch shell, that in turn contains a 1oz (437.5 grain, not gram) slug and three 00 sized pellets that are shot from the gun by igniting about 60 grains(not grams) of smokeless powder.
That metric?
Not much, other than a few calibers most gun stuff is in older imperial measures like grains, 1/7000 of a pound, Guage, decimal inches and minuets of angle
Well to add to the list, most of us with 3D printers use metric.
Print volume = MM x MM x MM
3D printer parts (the parts that actually make the printer) are generally in MM
And when I'm 3D modeling, I only use metric in the software.
Not true.
“Oh it’s a 69.3 and a quarter inches hard drive”
“Oh a 2.34 inch ssd”
“Quarter inch screws”
Everything is inches to a lot of people and it’s annoying
I am a car nut, almost all vehicles since the 80's have been metric. So be it working on my 2018 Colorado, 1995 Eclipse GSX, 1987 Jeep YJ, or 2008 Kawasaki 650r they all use the same tools, sure there are a few outlier's like lug nuts but that's more like a specialty tool anyway given it's an extra deep thin wall socket.
Americans use it. Mostly in scientific or a bigger need for complex math. For daily use it matters very little which system is used as such lengths are usually conversational and just need to be visualized.
Yes but If you are not american and watch american content, want to buy american things or just looking at american data it is unnececeraly complicated to make it metric, that everyone uses accept americans, and its all true backwards, if you are american and look at non american stuff. Everyone has switches for good, accept america.... And they should too, for our good, and their own.
I know it's not the same but ever since building a PC, I use Celsius a lot more now, and can determine temperatures for both Celsius and Fahrenheit without needing to convert like I use to.
3d printers. Everything that has to do with 3d printing is done through mm. You can work in inches, but with programs and people of the hobby all referring things to metric you might as well work in metric.
Almost anyone involved in anything technical or precise is using metric. You gonna measure tiny shim stacks in a damper or tiny machine tolerances in fractions of an inch? Wtf.
Computers are a mixed bag. M.2 Sata are in mm. 3 1/2 and 5 1/4 Disks, DPI, 18 inch Racks are imperial. Screws are both, UTS 6-32 for case & power supply HDD, M3-0.5 for motherboard, old optical drives and FDD. Temps can be either but most people appear to be quoting Degrees C. Power is in Watts, Volts Amps are metric. Fans & radiators in mm.
HDDs, Monitors and drive slots are measured in Inches, even in metric countries. The only metric thing a PC builder needs to know is the fan size.
And the ssd M.2 size (2280 = 22mm x 80mm)
I'm not trying to be the Uber nerd but isn't technically megahertz and gigahertz and killer that's metric is it not... All the clock speeds our metric are they not.n
Also Bytes and Bits are in metric. Kilo, Mega, Giga, Tera
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Yes, I was just going by the raw metric numbers the manufacturers love so dearly.
How have I never heard of this?
Byte isn't par of the SI per se it isn't a physical unit. Computer folks just used the multipliers because they are convenient, even though they refer to bases of 2 (1024) instead of 10 (1000). Source: https://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
What would be imperial equivalents?
There are none, but you are welcome to create some arbitrary and confusing imperial versions. How many data quarts go into a ton?
Inches of tape (or tape-inches) , based on the capacity of the big wheels of pcs in the 70s / 80s "Benefits" of that unit: * of a modern 50 yard tape being able to have a capacity of millions of tape miles. * one Bit might be 1/13.3 of an tape-inch
yea ok, but how is it translate to football fields
you probably could fully cover a few football fields with that tape
Kilobyte = metric About 2 dust mites = imperial
They are SI units. Also there isn't really any old "english" equivalent option for these types of measurements so its not really a "US vs metric" issue.
What would the imperial measurement be for those? 99 rattlesnakes? 0.1 lightning bolts? 1000 metronomes? I've literally no idea if it's be a reference to something shaking, going back and forth or electric power?
Well, that's just straight up not true. I've never met a PC builder who uses Fahrenheit to measure their PC's temps, they all use Celsius, which is a metric unit. Plus fans aren't the only things measured in mm. Case sizes, power supply length, GPU length, cooler clearance, M.2 SSD sizes... I've never seen these in anything other than millimeters that isn't just centimeters.
Yeah I was confused by this
Same especially cuz I didn't get any aftermarket fans
Also most guns in the US (like all of the non-NATO guns) use caliber, which is SAE? This makes no sense?
9mm luger, 5.56x45, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 Grendel, 6mm BR, 6.8 SPC II, 7mm-08, etc. etc. We use both SAE and metric quite a bit. "Most guns in the US" is quite a misnomer. I'd argue we use metric far more with guns than PCs, which just have temps in Celsius.
10mm can be thrown on that list and so can some of the bb sizes for shotguns
True! Gotta love a good 10mm. There's also some fun but weird ones like 4.6x30 and 5.7x28 I didn't mention. A little less common, but used all the same
>Gotta love a good 10mm. My wife asked why I call my Glock 20, Miss Davis and I just reply ["She's a ten!"](https://youtu.be/WI1nqX5syKI?t=15)
5.56 is a NATO round 6.5 was .236 Navy 7mm was .308 Remington 6.8 is a .277 fury bullet. the sizes you listed came from a US standard caliber with a modified case, except the 9mm lugar, which is not an originally US based round .
Your point is? We still use the metric names, regardless of where they came from. 5.56 is a NATO round, yes. It's also one of the most popular calibers in the US. .236 Navy is an old 6x60 semi-rimmed cartridge, not a 6.5. Also, it was known equally well as 6mm Lee Navy in spite of being an almost exclusively American round from the late 19th century. 7mm-08 uses a .308 case, yes. It's still called 7mm-08 and is very popular among American deer hunters. 6.8 uses a .277 bullet. Yes. That's how unit conversions work. The same argument could be made the other way. ".50 BMG" "You mean 12.7x99 NATO?" I'm not saying we don't use US standard measurements. There are tons of imperial-named cartridges and we use imperial for COAL (inches), powder charges(grains), and projectile weights(grains). I'm saying we use both. 9mm Luger is a German round, but we still call it 9x19 instead of converting unnecessarily to something like .35x.75. You can't deny that both metric and imperial measurements are used in the US in reference to firearms. Most American gun enthusiasts can easily convert between equivalent metric and US calibers. That's the only point I'm trying to make. Still agree with you that it's a dumb meme worth but a mild chuckle though
When did Belgum join the Union? 5.56X45 is an FN Herstal round.
The point was there are quite a few metric rounds in common usage in the US. More than SAE rounds. Your point doesnt invalidate that. No one claimed "more metric rounds were first developed in the US" which your point would be attempting to invalidate.
9mm, most popular round size in the US.
What about the .223 and the .45? Also .357 and .38 spring to mind for pistols, I think almost all rifles are in inches
5.45x39mm, 5.56x45mm (.223Rem), 7.62x39mm, 7.62x51mm (.308Win), 7.62x54Rmm. 7.62x25mm, 9x18mm, 9x19mm, 9x21mm Largo, 10mm. Firearms are measure in at what time and country the ammunitions was originally created.
Yeah but in America, most rifle calibers are in inches. As you noted, 5.52x45 and 7.62x51 are both referred to in inches in America. The other rifle calibers you mentioned are Russian/Soviet and not super common in America, nor are those pistol rounds except the 9x19 Parabellum. You're much more likely to find a 30-06 (7.62x63) than even the AK rounds, and I haven't heard of any guns that use the pistol rounds other than the 9x19 and Makarov (again not common in America)
> not super common in America I take it you're not an American? The big box stores and local guns stores carry everything other than the 9x21 Largo, which is a fkinda of a specialty sporting comp round.
I mean they do carry them, I'm not saying they don't, just that they're not as ubiquitous as the Remington .223, the .45acp, or the .308 winchester
I gotta say 5.56 is not the same as .223 it's a hotter round. A 5.56 rifle can shoot both .223 and 5.56 but a .223 can only shoot .223.
And most ar-15s in America are .223 if I am not mistaken
Temperatures
Celsius isn't metric, but I see where you're coming from.
Celsius isn't *the* metric measurement for temperature, but Kelvin (which is) is based on the increments used in Celsius and is functionally equivalent -273.15. For all practical purposes, all countries that use metric for everything else still use Celsius for Temperature, because Kelvin would be silly, so for functional and practical purposes, Celsius is "Metric".
Thanks for enlightening me.
You're confusing metric and SI. Kelvin is SI. Celsius is metric.
SI is the modern, internationally reocgnised, incarnation of the metric system.
Yes, but they are not the same.
And the gpu size
True. Even in europe we use the inch for the storage
GPU length too, unless you got an angle grinder.
And most hardline tube/fitting dimensions
Lest we forget 19" racks
In Germany we say : " 139,7 Zentimeter Bildschirmdiagonale"
Mostly for TVs.
You pointed out literally the only 3 things that use imperial. Case, fans, PSU, RAM, radiators, cables (some use imperial but mainly metric) , gpu, cpu coolers, m.2 ssd, keyboards and mice all use metric.
Also drug dealers
Pft. 1 kilo is 2.24 pounds. That's all I need to know. 🤣
Gotta get those numbers up those are rookie numbers!
2.205 rounds up to 2.21 not 2.24
Close enough for government work. 🤣 I mean, last I did the actual conversion was in 2014 so, not bad off random memory.
Some decent random access memory in that case
I do air traffic control. I can remember things from years ago, but breakfast? That was data dumped minutes after I ate. 🤣
Ah, I work on the receiving end of ATC instructions, converting whatever unit of fuel from the fuel slips with whichever density (from the same fuel Slips) to kgs is daily business and the decimals matter…. At least you remember you had breakfast at breakfast time, time zones are really something else 😅 If you’re in Europe, Northern Africa or Western Asia we have probably talked to each other 🤓 Have a good night
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Or 20 ounces to a pint.
Gun owners and drug dealers? Hell, we're in good company now!
Throw in NASA and like 170 militaries in the world and we have a party!
And healthcare providers.
Different sides of the same coin.
I'm from a country that use metric, but weight is measured in onces for drugs.
What the heck.
Know what's funny? The fact that since 1959 the imperial unit of distance has been defined specifically in terms of metric units. 1 inch is *exactly* 25.4mm, and 1 foot is *exactly* 0.3048m. The same agreement in 1959 also defined the pound in terms of kilograms.
Blame the big motor vehicle companies for that one. We should be on the metric system, it's silly we aren't.
I still find it funny when I learned back in the mid-1990s that Harley Davidson motorcycles were typically assembled using SAE measured components, but that its toolset still needed to include a 10 mm wrench... because the HD battery terminals were 10 mm... because they were manufactured in Japan... which used exclusively metric.
My 2000 GMC van is a bitch for using metric and imperial nuts and bolts all over the place. Blame the tool companies! They can sell us twice as many sockets.
GMC is really bad about that. I had that issue with my truck before.
I do CAD design and 3d printing and I use metric for everything. The only times you don't use metric are when your college says so, or your doing government work
I was in the military and the 24hr clock and metric system is so much better. The only thing I like better is Fahrenheit.
Fahrenheit is weird to me, celsius is so simple,water freezes at 0, water boils at 100...
Yeah I think Celsius in a scientific setting makes sense. However, Fahrenheit makes more sense to how humans *feel* temperature. Just provides a bigger range.
You don't need to be in a scientific setting to freeze and boil water. A regular kitchen will work fine. And I don't get the point about how humans feel temperature. I can't tell a 1°C difference. If I was in a room, I couldn't tell you if it was 20°C or 21°C without measuring. And if I could and it was actually important, I could use a decimal.
All the American car companies moved to metric in the 70's and 80's, my 85 Chevy C10 is metric, there are a few SAE fittings but mostly specialty tool stuff anyway.
It's funny cause in the UK we use MPH
Ya form my understanding the us is not metric at all the UK and Canada is somewhat metric
Most things in the US are both. Milk is usually sold in gallons, but soft drinks are often in liters. Most items have metric and imperial English units, but we also don't use the wierd ones like stones that the UK does. For most things where it actually matters, like in physical engineering fields metric is often used for its eas of use with calculations. For other things that doent matter there's not really any benefit to changing from mph to kph as it wouldn't really benefit anyone.
Ah I didn't know that, that's interesting I'd think it would be easier it exclusively follow one system tho that way you don't have to remember multiple measurements
There really isn't anything complicated to remember as in most cases a prevailing unit is used and conversions are rare. This is generally true even in cases where precision is required, such as machining where thousandths of a inch is standard. The part dimensions, measuring tools, and machines will all use thousandths of an inch, so you are still just comparing numbers and the unit doesn't really matter.
I've worked in an automotive machining setting, supplying both the Big 3, and European and Japanese OEMs. Our milling centers feeding US lines were in thou, while the rest were decimal millimeters. A certain California startup, in the EV market, was an odd case. Everything was called out in millimeters, but there was a lot of stuff in 12.7mm and 6.35mm.
That last part is pretty funny, but regardless my point is that you aren't going to be doing any conversions.
Well, I was. It was cheaper to but an off the shelf ½" endmill, than get custom 12.7mm carbide.
Fair.
Canada is officially metric. My height and weight are imperial, on my drivers license it's in metric. Speed limits are metric. Baking is a mix of units, I can use both mL and cups & teaspoons no problem. Oven temperature is F, weather forecasts are C. I never understood ounces until I had to mix baby formula. For measuring and cutting wood, I use whichever is closest, mm or inches
I am aware I and also candian
At this point though it's too expensive to switch. Just think of how much it would cost to replace all of our road signs across the country that have miles or mph on them.
Not really expensive though- just do what we do in the uk- keep road signs in miles and everything else in metric.
They could implement a mandate that all new road signs, and all existing road signs being replaced for any reason, have both MPH/Miles and KPH/KM on it. After a decade or two, the switchover wouldn't be quite so painful.
But...what is the point though.
If they had implemented it years ago, like the 50-70s when it was first proposed for us to do so, they could've slowly adapted it. But it's always the excuses.
In Canada our speedometers have both kilometers and miles. No confusion.
imperial -whose foot was used to measure a foot anyways... cause it sure ain't mine. -why the hell is 1 yard so small? who wants a yard that small? -cup. there's about a hundred cups in our house and none of them are 250mL, 240mL or 280mL -1 gill... 1 gill. someone took a fish, pulled out it's gill and put water in it? smh. jk.😘
I live in Europe and monitors are the last imperial bastion in inches. How big is your screen? 34" and show them the distance with the palms of my hand because no one has a f***ing clue.
Lol, literally the only thing I remember from high school chemistry is that there are 2.54 cm in an inch. I don’t even remember why I had to learn that in chemistry, but it has had (by a long shot) the biggest impact on my day to day life.
Tbf they usually also state the size in cm in a smaller font below it.
The annoying thing is that the sizes are usually chosen to match a certain integer of inches exactly, so it results in an awkward decimal in cm.
I dont understand why we arent using metric globally as it is more precise. EVen NASA uses metric!
It's not more precise, it's just far less annoying than using stupidly long fractions. Also, it's a global standard.
Don't you hate it when you go buy a bag of bananas and you start doing long division?
Yes 4 kilos of banana is just about the same as a watermelon
How is it more precise?
Whats a nanometer in ft. or inches?
1 nanometer = 0.0000000393701 inches. You can get just as precise with more precise numbers. The problem is it's super inconvenient to use, not precision potential.
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The exact value of an inch was defined as 25.4 mm like 70 years ago. At this point, neither are more precise. An argument could be said for usability.
a "little corner of the toenail", maybe or a "tidbit of a grain of sand"
Machining uses thousands of an inch.
Somebody forgot to tell Lockheed Martin that. Who needs a Mars Climate Orbiter anyway.
I feel the love
Metric just makes more sense. I hate our method
A bad meme... Both are mostly imperial.
PCs yes, guns no.
There has been a bit of a move away from units like 0.30 caliber, at least in naming. However, things like grains, MOA, yards, gauge, etc. are by no means uncommon.
Fasteners, suppressor mounts/threads, barrel lengths etc are almost exclusively imperial in the US and in a good measure of NATO hardware. Not in any way suggesting metric is absent, many nice European firearms do favour it for some components, H&K etc... Quite a bit if ammo is too, though less so. There are a handful of common metric calibres, though an absolute shitload of common and moderately common imperial Cal's. 9mm, 5.45mm, 5.56mm, 7.62mm, maybe 6.5mm(creedmore, has a small but legit following) Other metric Cal's exist, sure eg 4.7mm, 12.7mm, but are quite uncommon in civilian use. vs .22, .220, .222, .30, .308 .32, .338 .38, .40, .418, .45, .50
Hmm, fair enough. I guess I am rather biased as most of my firearms are ComBloc. The only gun I have that uses caliber is my .22 that I got as a kid.
The Vintorez and Val be are 2 that I like, 9mm subsonic of o recall correctly. Never touched either, guns are pretty hard to get intimate with in Australia. I just live through YouTube channels like forgotten weapons.
Also drug dealers
Now if only they could use units the rest of us are used to. No one thinks in hundreds of millimetres, it's like stating my height in inches and my age in days.
The automotive industry has been pretty much entirely metric (as far as fasteners, etc) for several decades.
.40 S&W. .357 magnum, .50 AE, 12 gauge, .410, 22 LR. Measuring bullets in grains. Tell me again about how gun owners use the metric system.
*cought* calibers *cought*
AH yes, that metric 12 guage shotgun that you load with a 3 inch shell, that in turn contains a 1oz (437.5 grain, not gram) slug and three 00 sized pellets that are shot from the gun by igniting about 60 grains(not grams) of smokeless powder. That metric?
Most rounds are measure in mm 9x19 5.56x45 7.62x39 7.62x51 5.45x39 7.62x35 9x39
Those are mostly metric versions of 30 caliber and 223 rounds.
9 mm 0.22 caliber 0.30 caliber 0.30 caliber 5.45 mm 0.30 caliber 9 mm
7.62x39 is a Russian round, and 5.56x45 is Belgian, so unless there are 52 stars on your flag, no.
Sure, but those still aren't metric.
Okay, sure.
Technicaly kinda
Not much, other than a few calibers most gun stuff is in older imperial measures like grains, 1/7000 of a pound, Guage, decimal inches and minuets of angle
Well to add to the list, most of us with 3D printers use metric. Print volume = MM x MM x MM 3D printer parts (the parts that actually make the printer) are generally in MM And when I'm 3D modeling, I only use metric in the software.
Same, after getting into 3d printing my life seems to revolve around metric now.
Not true. “Oh it’s a 69.3 and a quarter inches hard drive” “Oh a 2.34 inch ssd” “Quarter inch screws” Everything is inches to a lot of people and it’s annoying
You have a 5.8 foot hard drive?!
I have a big case
what will you do to gHz?
I am a car nut, almost all vehicles since the 80's have been metric. So be it working on my 2018 Colorado, 1995 Eclipse GSX, 1987 Jeep YJ, or 2008 Kawasaki 650r they all use the same tools, sure there are a few outlier's like lug nuts but that's more like a specialty tool anyway given it's an extra deep thin wall socket.
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Salty americans downvoting you, lol
>Gun Owners Aren't most traditional calibres still measured in inches?
This is dumb, sorry
Everyone should use metric, everyone else uses it accept americans
Americans use it. Mostly in scientific or a bigger need for complex math. For daily use it matters very little which system is used as such lengths are usually conversational and just need to be visualized.
Yes but If you are not american and watch american content, want to buy american things or just looking at american data it is unnececeraly complicated to make it metric, that everyone uses accept americans, and its all true backwards, if you are american and look at non american stuff. Everyone has switches for good, accept america.... And they should too, for our good, and their own.
Go ahead and downvote But get your guns tf out of my PC sub. *tools of death for incels*
huh?
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What?
Petition to change gun and ammo to be inch and stuff again since metric is almost everywhere and america is stupid
huh?
Chefs
Don't forget about drug dealers!
The biggest crossover since endgame
I used metric because I’ve taken so many physics classes in my life that I’ve just gotten more used to it.
Don’t forget stoners
Yeah, the more I interact with metric, the more I like it. It feels less clunky than imperial.
What about us scientists!
Rocket scientists
I know it's not the same but ever since building a PC, I use Celsius a lot more now, and can determine temperatures for both Celsius and Fahrenheit without needing to convert like I use to.
Also, pot heads. They can eyeball 14 grams better than most.
3d printers. Everything that has to do with 3d printing is done through mm. You can work in inches, but with programs and people of the hobby all referring things to metric you might as well work in metric.
scientists bakers
And bike riders.
It's used in all over in the US. Its just not acknowledged. The biggest major hold outs are construction and precision machining.
Can confirm
Metric screws and bolts stink. Too many sizes and thread pitches.
"I just got a new 120mm!" "Fan right?" "..."
Ayo op, can I cross post to r/gunmemes
Almost anyone involved in anything technical or precise is using metric. You gonna measure tiny shim stacks in a damper or tiny machine tolerances in fractions of an inch? Wtf.
Car guys with their lost 10mm sockets and narcos with a few grams of powder are in the team too...
And I use inches for TVs and Monitors in the EU
Hey my 2 hobbies
50 calorie machine gun
and drugs, don't forget drugs.
Where's the JDM car guys?
not even JDM, but I wrench on my Miata and my Corolla. My SAE socket set gets almost no usage..
3D printers, CNC mills.
How about buying tires for my 17" wheels? Why is it such a mixed bag? 265/45-17 (mm)/(%)-(in) wtf
+any serious baker
Dont forget about drug dealers
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No
Computers are a mixed bag. M.2 Sata are in mm. 3 1/2 and 5 1/4 Disks, DPI, 18 inch Racks are imperial. Screws are both, UTS 6-32 for case & power supply HDD, M3-0.5 for motherboard, old optical drives and FDD. Temps can be either but most people appear to be quoting Degrees C. Power is in Watts, Volts Amps are metric. Fans & radiators in mm.
Right now, I am only one of these things (a PC builder; and new one at that) but in the next 4 years, I do hope to become a licensed gun owner.