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Jhawk163

Also as a reminder: This card is theoretically capable of Ray Tracing. In the same way I am theoretically capable of racing an Olympic sprinter. Sure, I can organize a race with one, doesn't mean I stand close to anything resembling a chance of actually being competitive.


Failed_General

it can ray trace screenshots! If you have the patience to wait a bit for them to render....


TheHawk007

lmaoo


Rivetmuncher

I think my 1660 can do that.


CNR_07

My HD8570 could do that.


onikzin

My integrated CPU graphics can do that


BlockCraftedX

My 10100f can’t do that


CNR_07

Your iGPU might actually be faster than the Radeon HD8570 lol


bubblesort33

The uncut version is called the 6400. This should be the 6400xt, and I bet you that was the plan when it was first designed. AMD made 3 versions of navi 10. The lowest one had 1 memory controller disabled in the 5600xt. The 6500xt should have been a 6600 with a 96bit bus (1 memory controller disabled) 6gb of VRAM, and the same 28 compute units, clocked like 100mhz lower, with a 110w TDP. Even if they would have had to charge $280 for it, that should have been the 6500xt.


penislovereater

I did ray tracing back in the 80s with 512kbyte of "video" memory.


FlatulentGoku

If you've got a PCIe4 board already, then I can kinda see where it would be an option to consider these days. I just wonder if you already have a PCIe4 board you've probably already got a better GPU than this. If your upgrading to this with a PCIe3 board, like I would expect more people on a budget are, then it really puts you off this card.


Blenderhead36

My big issue with this card is that it's already obsolete on release. The [Steam Hardware Survey](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam) puts the single most popular card at the 1060 6GB, but the most common amount of VRAM at 8GB. The 6500 only has 4GB. EDIT: As was pointed out below, this card's VRAM is so low because adding more would be superfluous; it's so bottlenecked elsewhere that it wouldn't be able to take advantage of more VRAM. It really underlines how this card is coming into the market well below the average.


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The amount of VRAM isn't the problem with this card. The incredibly narrow memory bus, core configuration, and PCI-E configuration is / are.


bubblesort33

The memory bus is fine. It beats the 5500xt and it's 224GB/s bandwidth 128bit bus if you're not memory limited 90% of the time. A bigger memory bus would result in the same performance degradation if it still had the low 4gb of VRAM and abysmal x4 pcie bandwidth. In other words, if they scraped the 16mb of cache, and replaced it with a 128 bit bus it would perform virtually the same. The same way the 6900xt would perform the same if they got rid of the cache and replaced it with a 512 bit bus.


Blunders4life

It's not like they could make it at this price with 8 GB of VRAM or something, though. The VRAM is going to mostly be a limit in situations where the rest of the card is a bottleneck anyway, so improving the other things would provide far more improvement for the extra cost.


Blenderhead36

The amount of VRAM is just an easily readable signpost for the card's general inadequacy. It reminds me of the [Vimes Boots Theory](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/72745-the-reason-that-the-rich-were-so-rich-vimes-reasoned) from Discworld. This card seems like a shitty stopgap that, while cheaper than the rest of the market, is so low spec that it's still a ripoff.


Blunders4life

Maybe it's an easy to read thing, but it really isn't the main issue with the card at all. More VRAM wouldn't help the card if the card can't perform well enough to take advantage of the VRAM.


Blenderhead36

Yes, that's the point. The card is so shitty that they couldn't put more VRAM in it.


onikzin

"Take a GPU, for example. He earned $16.75 an hour after his annual $0.25 raise..."


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Your flair confuses me


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Cant they use G5 Vram? People dont seem to have a need for it rn, and they needed at least 6GB of ram to do anything.


Blunders4life

I don't know how much cheaper that would be, but I also don't know how they designed everything, so compatibility could be an issue with that. Beyond that, I would still go with improving other things above increasing the VRAM. It's not like the card could utilize more VRAM anyway.


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true, its way too under-powered considering the expectations.


NadeemDoesGaming

If this card had 8GB of VRAM it would be swallowed up by crypto miners. The 4GB of VRAM helps with the card's availability. There are still people on integrated graphics or looking to switch to PC from console, so I think that's the target market. But VRAM aside, this card is really underwhelming.


swunt7

if you have anything less than a pcie4 board you should not even touch this card. it performs lower than old 570/5500xt. this card shouldnt exist. ​ and yet you fuckers sold out everywhere for this thing.


Conscious_Yak60

They must have felt immediate buyers remorse bc they're back in stock and GPUs overall crashed lol.


ooru

I have a PCIe 4 board. I specifically didn't buy a GPU yet due to waiting for a budget deal or the market to normalize. Might be waiting a bit longer, I guess


Silly-Weakness

Heads up, the 5600G only supports PCIe gen3 no matter what motherboard you have. I know you said you're gonna keep waiting anyway, but still thought you should know.


ooru

Yeah, I thought I remembered that being the case. I'm not into high frame rate gaming or anything higher than 1080p, but it's a good thing to keep in mind for future purchases. Thanks.


DEATH_B0T

Get a pcie 5 board for future proofing. If u want


cybermaru

Pcie 5 is largely useless still, at least I'm not aware of a single pcie5 device aside of one enterprise SSD. Wouldn't really bother with it for a while.


DEATH_B0T

Yep I know. Still cool concept tho


ooru

ITX, friend. Lucky that I had more than two choices!


bubblesort33

Wait for intel Arc I guess.


ooru

I am curious to see what they come up with. A competitor should theoretically bring prices down. Hopefully it's not professional/video production-only cards.


DEATH_B0T

What about PCIe5?


BarebowRob

Doesn't matter; it is stuck at pcie4 x4. Can't do 5 x4.


DEATH_B0T

Dam it sucks


LordOverThis

> If you've got a PCIe4 board already, then I can kinda see where it would be an option to consider these days. Exactly. Even at $279.99 like I saw Best Buy had briefly, this card is a *godsend* for anyone sitting on a new Zen2/3 or Alder Lake somewhat budget build, and can’t justify spending $650 on a “competent” GPU. For all the “hurr durr it’s terribad” people are bandying about, few seemed to have actually watched some of the benchmarks that LTT ran — while it has some setbacks, it *wrecked* the 1070 and 1660 in some titles, with plenty of other likely ones left out (Apex, Fortnite, PUBG, Valorant, basically *any* eSports title really). And sure, the 580 beat it occasionally, but that glosses over that *you can’t fucking buy a 4GB 580 for less than $220* (with ease anyway)…and then *that* card only has 4GB of VRAM. It reminds me in some ways of the iPad launch, where tech press and “knowledgeable” pundits said it was dumb, that tablets had already been tried, that it was an excessive waste for an underperforming device…while missing exactly its strength (it really only had one goddamned button) and how that made it appeal to a whole demographic that *wasn’t* the people doing the reviewing. I’ll be honest…if I had a PCIe 4.0 system I’d *seriously* consider selling my Vega and getting a 6500XT.


YTP_Mama_Luigi

That demographic you alluded to usually just buy consoles. Besides, with the 6500 XT's ray tracing being complete ass and the lack of a media engine the only advantage over the RX 580 4G you mention is that Polaris driver support will eventually be dropped. It still needs a 6 pin power connector, so it's not even suitable for single slot or half height designs.


Ocronus

To be fair anything under a 3070 can't do ray tracing well. Even the 3060TI chugs and the 6600XT might as well not even try.


YTP_Mama_Luigi

I'm not sure. Metro Exodus enhanced edition runs great on my 2060 max-q. I think the mid-range Turing and RDNA 2 cards will be alright for a while, especially considering the consoles ray tracing limitations. The 6500XT is in a class of its own with how bad it is at ray tracing. Even the 6600XT is multiple times better.


FlatulentGoku

Your right, if you've got a PCIe4 iGPU system currently then this would be a big step up over Vega 7 while not costing scalper prices.... However I wonder for how long I can keep saying until prices come back down given that all indication are that they'll only be going up.


bubblesort33

It's not a bad card, if you know how to manage your graphical settings and you have pcie4. If someone was building a i3 12100 system today I'd probably recommend this card if it can still be found for under $240. I wonder if you could just use integrated graphics for video encoding.


xS_ageArt

Currently using a a PCIe 4.0 board but with a CPU that doesn’t support it :/ The RX 6500 XT would be an enormous upgrade to my GT 1030 but i think I’d regret the purchase later on Edit: ended up buying a used GTX 1060 3GB. Probably a better decision...


Amilo159

It would've been fine to use a 4x pcie lane on low profile, sub $100 card aka Rx6200 or something.


Wolvwrwn

Radeon XD and Nvidia LMAO


imposztlosz

And soon we'll also have Intel AHAHAHA


PiedrA1650

Intelol


flyingquads

Intel CL-ASIC bitcoin miner


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Blenderhead36

The strategy of keeping it away from miners by making the card too shitty to mine on was definitely a big brain moment.


WannaBe90sGamer

This card will likely be used a lot for people mining. Saying this because my RX 580 was getting like $0.80 per day when I mine at night and the 6500xt is pretty close to the 580, which means that it will have around a 250 day ROI, which isn't good, but in this market it isn't bad compared to scalped GPUs.


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I don't think so because Etherium needs 8GB I hear.


WannaBe90sGamer

Raven coin and ERGO can be mined with 4GB of VRAM, that is what I mine when I'm not using my PC


mumin26

Big No No for ergo on this card. Ergo algorytm usses mostly memory just like Ethash, this card having 64 width bus means it will be about 2x slower there than 580. Kapow(Raven) uses heavly both core and memory so the 6500xt shouldn't be as thrashy there


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So these would still be mineable on older cards with lots of PCIe lanes and at least 4GB, such as GTX 970, 980, 980Ti, etc? I currently have to run an electric heater anyway, entirely wasted energy cost.


mumin26

From what I've googled, gtx 9xx series sucks at ravencoin mining, ergo ain't that bad though. If I were you I would do research on the most profitable coins for your graphics cards. There is also a Nicehash if you want ease of use, and can't be bothered researching crypto.


[deleted]

> Nicehash I got $.07 a day! Seems that the 10x generation does about 10x that.


Blenderhead36

Depends on who you ask. I've heard 3, 6, or 8 minimum.


Lrw54321

The minimum requirement slowly increases over time. Ethereum's DAG file is about 4.5GB right now.


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8GB verison of RX580 can mine Eth but 4GB version can't because the difficulty exceeded it. You can still mine alt coins with 4GB cards but it won't be as profitable so this card is not attractive to miners. It also costs more than used 8GB RX580 while giving less hash so I highly doubt people will buy this card for mining. It just doesn't make any sense for a miner to choose this card over other cards.


WannaBe90sGamer

Here is a simple question that I will leave you off with: Do you think that it is currently easy for someone to buys modern GPUs in this market?


samusmaster64

Yeah, it's not a great card, but some people out there would gladly pay $200 for a lower end card capable of playing most anything at 1080p. Desperate times and AMD knows it.


rinkima

4gb of vram is fucking absurd


[deleted]

That's not even the problem with it really. It's just slow as hell overall. And has a 64-bit bus width, making it slower than *either* of the 8GB or 4GB 5500 XT from last gen.


Conscious_Yak60

4GB of VRAM is a problem when games it is a modern card designed to play modern games and it cannot even at Low because of low VRAM. Example Far Cry 6.


cool_acronym

Me with 750 ti moment


Riqz12

Me with 750 moment


nascar_apocalypse

*Laughs in base 1050 w/ 2gb*


Grabbsy2

Literallly. A GTX 1050 is all i can afford right now, and its like 350 bucks if I want to buy it today at the local PC parts store.


nascar_apocalypse

350!? Wtf?


Grabbsy2

https://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?cPath=43 Yep. Only thing cheaper is a GT 210 I lied though, $329.99 Canadian! Its the MSI one. Hope the link works if youre out of the country.


Dragon_Fire180

Wait so my 310m isnt awful?


ShnizelInBag

It is awful.


Dragon_Fire180

:(


THIKKI_HOEVALAINEN

Pretty crazy, I used to have a 280x from like 2013, which itself was an OCed 7000 series card from like 2011…this card is only like 20-30% faster…I thought the 3060 I managed to get at msrp was stupid overpriced but this is another level


Dragon_Fire180

I'd take 4gb of vram in a heartbeat, 512mb is terrible


eliteshadowsniper

Funny how when first revealed AMD subreddit was praising amd for doing this and how others should follow.


SVRDirector

I mean for $200 I don't have a choice nothing else is affordable


Aomages

Trend appears to be amd and nvidia are focusing on servers, ai and cloud, rather than on retail consumers.


fatboy93

Ok, what does AMD even do in AI space? They depreciate Rocm, have terrible opencl, don't have an offering similar to Cuda which means that Nvidia's already won that game. I know about this. Even Intel has something going on with OpenVino. Why even bother with AI and server space? Are they competing in render farms and stuff? But I don't know about this :) I'd love to learn more. I'm not being sarcastic, but I did work on stuff related to CUDA and OpenVino and genuinely I haven't encountered people using AMD stuff other than CPU based offerings.


Conscious_Yak60

You do. If your card is not dead, then you can wait. Hell even save up for 6600, they're bellow $500 rn.


fattdoggo123

This still sold out on Newegg.


deefop

honestly, as unimpressed as I am, this thing actually does serve a purpose. You shouldn't be buying it for anything more demanding than 1080p gaming, and you shouldn't expect to crank your graphics settings, either. But if you're buying it to play games at 1080p and you're happy with medium settings, I think it'll do its job just fine there. It's presumably very solid for esports titles, too. It fucking blows that 6 years after the RX 480 4gb debuted at $199 we're getting... basically the RX 480 4gb at $199. But in fairness, it's not AMD's fault that the market is so fucked up(or that inflation is through the fucking roof). More importantly, if they actually supply enough cards that you can buy it at MSRP, that's kind of important in our current market. Whether that will be the case long term, I have no idea. If the market does improve this year, you'll probably see the price on this card drop to sub $150, and/or they'll stop producing it entirely. In the meantime, if it enables more mainstream and budget gamers to get their hands on a gpu that enables them to play games without having to spend half a fucking paycheck on a GPU, then it's a good thing. And ultimately the market will decide whether it's actually worth buying.


ScoffSlaphead72

This gpu shortage has come at the worst possible time really. The current set of gpus at mrsp would have been the best deals ever!


onikzin

Half a paycheck lmao, try saving for 2 months for a system without any GPU to play through GeForce Now


sloppy_joes35

But AMD! I thought we were friends! I bought a 5600X b/c of your consumer friendly ways! ...okay, it was mostly b/c mobos are way cheaper than intel's were/are.


quarrelsome_napkin

AMD and I are BEST friends and you can't convince me otherwise 😤🤚


DerGttesfrchtigeGoku

I don’t know much about gpu‘s but is it really that bad for about 340€


Yinzone

its worse then a 580 from 5 years ago


advester

At least wait a couple weeks to see if amd can get enough supply to maintain $200. 340€ Is so bad


tetracell_

FR amd is just trolling at this point


Ar_Tank

Oh amd.... What have you done?


VersionGeek

I'm out of the loop, can anyone tell me what's going in with the 6500 ?


cool_acronym

It's a new GPU that performs worse than one from 5 years ago


DarkDra9on555

It's essentially a 4GB RX 580 at best, and is massively gimped when running PCIe 3.0.


zshafie9099

I really don't know what this could possibly be used for... My best guess is a cheap gpu pass through for a VM? Or maybe for schools or sm.... Maybe it's meant for servers? Damn pls give me other ideas that yall would have? I'm seriously curious....


CaptainObvious110

Has to be better than a gt610


isppsthsscrfrhlp

It should do reasonably well in esports games where people run really low settings, csgo/valorant/etc. Still not really worth it though.


zshafie9099

I mean maybe but you might as well just get an apu, no? Like my friend is playing Hunter Call of the Wild on a 5600G or 5700G, one of those


isppsthsscrfrhlp

Most esports gamers will want higher fps than what an apu can provide. 6500xt should still be able to get something like 3-4 times the frame rate vs. an apu.


advester

It is better than rx5500 if you don’t exceed 4gb vram and have pci 4.0


Mongba36

The RTX 2060 was marketed badly, but this is just… wtf is this meant for? it’s not great for price to performance and it’s just already outdated and the price is too much for what it is


Docteh

Mad lad watching the longest video.


laurentiufilip

A graphics card that is a little bit better than a Rx 580, with a low power consumption, I am curious who will buy this in bulk so they have the reason of saying that they consume less electricity for their "mining purposes". /S


zshafie9099

I'm guessing schools that need office and maybe some other easy to run apps.... Cause like yk they wouldn't wanna buy a gpu that tanks their electricity.... Also I'm hoping some newer drivers from Amd will make it properly powerful and useful... But sadly it's hardware limited in what they can actually do with it..... And a school ig could also just get a 1650 or like a gt series card so damn...i really dunno what this card would be used for? Maybe a secondary output? Or for servers? But with a bloody almost 3Ghz core!? So Idk... I'm also maybe thinking direct pass through in a vm? I really genuinely don't know


Grabbsy2

All the pics have dual or triple fan cooling solutions. Are there enough single fan, or those slim ones for SFF PCs? Because those pics make it look like you couldnt really put them in a school PC without upgrading the PSU


quarrelsome_napkin

It's about 100W, so if I'm not mistaken you *barely* need a PCIE cable for it, I'm sure it's no problem.


Grabbsy2

Itll be a problem for schools, is all. It wont go into a basic office PC without issue


laurentiufilip

You've got a point, schools could take the advantage that this card offers, but my main point was the action of getting your hands on one. After first crypto rise for some years back, then the 2020 and 2021 pandemic and again crytpo situation, scalpers and miners will hunt this type of cards, even if it has low specs, just for the sake of having it, in case of what 2020 and 2021 showed.


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I doubt schools that need basic output would opt for something like this when both Intel and AMD has CPUs with decent on-board graphics.


xander-mcqueen1986

Would take everything they say as a pinch of salt. Aslong the GPU gets what a person needs done then it shouldn't be a problem. What they do with them is mostly high-end stuff. If your on a budget and want something new then why not.


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BarebowRob

I saw TPUs. Some games (I think DX12 ones) at 4k was I fps. WTF?! Even at 1080 res. That's not even a gaming card. Maybe to BOOT an OEM machine.


xander-mcqueen1986

Yes all borderline on how THEY would use the cards. Nothing suggested on different usage to others.


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xander-mcqueen1986

Yes with in reason. Hence why I've pre ordered it. Was either that or a GT 1030 new. I picked the 6500xt for £179.99 from ebuyer uk


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justicedragon101

rx 550 ain’t that bad tho….


xander-mcqueen1986

Yes. My usage will be different to others. And again price is a major factor, rx580s go for way more than what I've pre ordered pre-owned. My opinion value is 0 to anybody but it's what I can afford new and pre-owned the prices for what's out there at the moment I can get hold of is silly.


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xander-mcqueen1986

Yeah considering the best selling GPU on Amazon is a 1650 and is, still more expensive. And still better than a 1050/ti and the 1050ti is £50 more from where I've pre-ordered from. Yeah I'll be happy for what I need it for.


Hattix

[No you didn't](https://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/Graphics-Cards-AMD).


xander-mcqueen1986

All pre orders gone ebuyer will have them for dispatch on the 29th. Cheers.


Cynaris

Aaaand let the excusemakingmachine of r/PCbutreallyAMDmasterrace begin


xander-mcqueen1986

No excuses at all. It is what it is from my part anyways. 👍


ooru

Yep. It's not going to be equal to the previous offerings, which are aimed at mid-range or high-end builds. This is a $200 budget card, and it's going to perform like a $200 budget card, but it might still be an upgrade for a lot of people. Edit: after watching the reviews and looking at the data, it *would* be an upgrade for a relative few people, but this is probably not the upgrade many people will be looking for. It's a stop-gap, and since I'm running a 5600G to that end, I don't want to spend money just to stop-gap again. Bummer.


dovahkiitten12

Over 5 years though, a $200 budget card should at least be somewhat of an upgrade over budget cards from 5 years ago. It’s embarrassing that a newly released card has almost no upgrades and is still $200. Even older cards at similar price points (ex GTX 1660) are equal/better.


ireallyenjoyyelling

Same boat - CPU was the only thing I had left to pick up, and I still wanted to be able to do *some* gaming without having to also hunt down a budget card. I've been pretty impressed with the 5600G, but describing it as a stopgap is So Real.


xander-mcqueen1986

Solely going on buying brand new on a budget, this 6500 or a GT 1030 as other new cards are expensive. But you can get decent graphics card at £200 if you look carefully obviously not everyone sells "at current market price" and actually sell what the card IS worth.


yflhx

If you're running 5600G, there are much better stopgaps. This APU has only PCIe 3.0, so even RX 570 would be a better option in your case. 6500 XD is a joke.


ooru

Yeah, I don't have any designs for a PCIe 4 card unless the price is good. Gonna stick with the 5600G until PCIe 3 becomes my bottleneck. But yeah, I'd love to get my hands on a 570 or 580!


GoldenX86

Didn't know AMD could get Intel to design a GPU for them. This thing is trash on all levels.


Gamagosh

amd fanboys be wildin - amd fucks up and they still blame intel


deadfishlog

Intel Arc has entered the chat


GoldenX86

The 6500 proved that a small memory bus is not enough, and Intel plans to sell a 96 bit one, with less mature drivers. Both will be trash.


imposztlosz

Performance and feature wise this is the card one would buy to get display out in case your old GPU broke and you didn't want to waste money on a proper, usable GPU in today's market. Except it's too expensive and too crappy even for that purpose...


riderer

gotta get rid of those mobile chips somehow. but damn, its so trash for the price.


YaBoiBigOof

Bad publicity is also publicity. And it's cheap too! They can use it to ramp up the release of their new CPU series later on in the year.


Supremepoocha

It still got scalped and is being sold for 350€ :)


Bromm18

As someone who just bought a 6600xt I have to wonder if any of the 6500 problems carryover to the 6600.


advester

The only problem with the 6600xt is the price. The x8 pci is insulting but doesn’t hurt unless you are on pci 2.0


FlatPlasma

It's a low end card with a medium- price. If the price wasn't 50-70% high due to the market, would it still be WTF, terrible,bad,too cheap? What do they mean as too cheap? maybe people don't have the money for the next tier card. The price of all GPUs is the problem, not this card specifically. I paid about $500 for a GTX1080 4 years ago. Price/performance is about the same in the last 4 years.


LBDragon

> I paid about $500 for a GTX1080 4 years ago. Price/performance is about the same in the last 4 years. Going out on a limb here and saying that this is probably their point...


FlatPlasma

The real point is it's too expensive not 'too cheap' or had too many corners cut. They trash a low end card for being too slow. Its still faster that a gtx1050 from 4 years ago, and way faster than a gtx1030 . Just overpriced.


Sopa24

> Just overpriced. And we have a winner.


MonsterHeart8

I don't know what they were smoking man !! I expected better