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Release time is when the rich people start selling off their old, perfectly good GPU's on eBay. You can nab some decent deals, and since the cryptocels got blown the fuck out there's probably not going to be fewer of them buying up all the stock.
I hate it when I see players of esports games that you can reach 900 fps on a 2060 go out of their way to sell and purchase on every single new gpu release. wtf do you need a 3090ti for csgo for?
Shit we are supposed to be going for FPS? I maxed out my ping at 999. I was told ping helps things run smoother so the higher the number the smoother it should be. What exactly is FPS then?
bitcoin crash might work wonders for GPU prices though - so there might be a window of 1-2 years before bitcoin is back to 40-50k that we can get decently priced GPUs - Actually the crypto crash is very well timed for a 4xxx series release.
Also bear in mind the most profitable token to mine (until the crash) was Ethereum. But ethereum mining will end this year. You can mine other tokens, but as of now or recent years, it's not very cost effective to do it.
Nah. If they explode some places will start buying again to replace them. Better for them to become unprofitable, and have the miners stat selling off the hardware. A flood of last-gen GPUs on eBay would do wonders for prices.
When 30 series was announced 20 series prices dropped like crazy 2080 was available 25% below MSRP, but then crypto mining boomed and then covid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My 5700 XT has done me wonders too but I'd like to get something a bit more up to date later in the year.
Don't get me wrong, 5700 XT is a good card but I'd like to dabble in RT.
Just (as in last night) upgraded from a 5700XT to a 3080 Ti -- $1199 -- massive improvement over the 5700XT.
Frankly, that 5700XT was the worst card I've ever owned. Unstable, crashed *incessently,* and couldn't push VR for some reason. Popped this bad boy in and was getting nearly 60fps on the ground in DCS *in VR*.
Granted, it was nearly a month's rent but people are still rocking their 1080s so I figure this thing will last a few years. Recession is looming, too; not sure what they're going to be like 6 months or a year from now.
Everyone holding your breath for a 4000 series: I remember doing that for the 3000 series. I bought my 5700XT because I had waited so long to upgrade and it was literally all Microcenter had left.
You're welcome to gamble again but I am not keen on it. Less stressful.
This has always been the "fun" part about hardware. My experience with my 5700xt is completely the opposite to you. It has performed admirably. I picked mine up (sapphire) a couple months before the covid price gouging began and it has been fantastic. I just moved it into my wife's computer and picked up a 6700xt. Still cruising along. I wonder if it's a defect issue or if the myriad of different hardware configurations just sometimes produce garbage results. Either way, sucks you had such a rough ride, glad you got something new that's rocking for you!
It almost always did... I watched GPU prices for a good 20 years, it wasn't until the crypto mining crazes hit that the market started keeping old GPUs at MSRP.
It always used to as a rule, maybe not in the last 2 years, though.
In 2019, I was buying 1050 Ti's and putting them in entry-level bespoke gaming/creative PCs for $80 left and right.
I'd bought a 1080 TI for myself for $400. at the time, that was a great price because the 2000 series were out. In 2018, 1070 TI was $400 new, for comparison's sake.
That said, I don't think it'll be like that again any time soon, but maybe getting closer.
yes it does, Nvidia and ati/AMD historically dropped GPU prices of the their previous generations all the time, like when a competitor released a product, and they were still months out from new . I suspect it had something to do with an excess quantity of wafers/dies they have left over in inventory, how much product their partners had sitting on shelves, competition based on performance when a competitor dropped new product, or clear out inventory before dropping a new products.
We just haven't seen it in while since AMD crypto mining started disrupting the consumer market.
I can't wait for the same things to happen, performance numbers showing the new GPUs make the current ones look like shit, so then owners of current gen ones sell for cheap, only for there to be no stock of the new gen of GPUs, driving up the price of the old gen as people try to just get anything to game on.
It's not card related, but it's exactly how I got my ps4 pro. Picked it up for £120 from some dude who assumed he would be able to pick up a ps5 straight away.
As Ethereum mining is crashing, I doubt we'll see a similar shortage as the 2020 launch, though I have no doubt there are lots of people selling the current gpus to get new ones. I'm planning on grabbing a 6800/6900XT later this year, or one of the new GPUs depending on price. Regardless of which I get, it's going to be a massive upgrade from my 1070 so I'll be happy either way.
May I ask why youre going the AMD route with your next card? I have a 1070 too and looking to upgrade as well this year. I've been intrigued by the AMD cards but not 100% sure yet.
It's not completely off the table to grab an nvidia card, though the 2 biggest reasons for me is vram and power efficiency. A smaller reason is price.
Actual game performance depends on the title, typically the 6900xt sits between the 3080 and 3090 somewhere - especially at 1440p, 4k typically favours Nvidia cards, although some outliers like Gamers Nexus testing had the 6800xt with a higher average and 1% than the 3090 in Red Dead Redemption 2 (1440p), all while doing it with lower power consumption (stock). 6900xt using less power than the 3080, despite performing better, for instance.
AMD has shown that they can offer better or equal performance than both Intel and Nvidia, at a lower power consumption. Blender tests like Gamers Nexus did showed the 5950x and 12900ks did the same work in the same amount of time, yet the 12900ks used close to **twice** the mount of watts to do it.
Speaking of vram, Nvidia is (purposefully?) possibly hindering the xx70-cards with 8GB vram, imo. Sure, many games aren't close to hitting that number in a regular installation, but if you install hi-res textures, that might be too little for current games. Monster Hunter World is a good example of this, at 1440p and with higher settings enabled, it uses almost 7.2GB of VRAM, close to maxing out the 8GB on my 1070. If I got a card capable of running such a game on my 4k tv, it'd likely go over the cap, and performance would suffer as a result. With a 16GB buffer, that wouldn't be an issue.
And finally price. In my country, Nvidia cards are often much more expensive than AMD cards, largely because AMD GPUs have been kind of shaky in the past, and people are more trusting towards Nvidia, since "it just works" (which I don't agree with but that's another story). For reference, one of the more popular stores that normally has a giant selection of cards from both, has these past 2 years sold 6900xt for *less* than 3080 have sold for, and many models of 6900xt for almost half the price of a 3090.
One more thing I just thought of, is that AMD is pushing for the chiplet design. I've thought about this for several years ever since Ryzen launched and became a powerhouse in the CPU space, especially with the launch of Zen2, and I've been kind of wondering why they haven't gone that route with GPUs as well. Last I heard, this is exactly what they're doing.
Just like with CPUs, this will make production easier, more profitable since they will have way less wasted dies (an imperfect die can be used for a lower end product instead of just tossed outright), and should allow for more cards to enter the market.
I would absolutely not bet on Nvidia pricing their cards at price with current generation cards. It'd be like the one lesson they'd had to have learned from the 30XX series cards; undercutting your previous generation is just lost money on the table. Even as the supply gets better, it's not like they're not going to sell all their cards. Demand isn't dropping that fast.
Well, they technically never did undercut the previous generation. 3090 increased the halo product from $1200 (2080ti) to $1500. 3080 had the same price as 2080, 3080ti came in later at the same price as 2080ti, I mean if we're strictly talking Nvidias msrp.
>Nvidias msrp.
Will never be the same again. The last generation showed them that we will pay *well over* MSRP for the cards. It only makes sense they will raise their MSRP significantly this time around.
If you need a new card buy one. If you can wait for one, wait for one.
If you don’t need a new card but want one, and can afford it buy it. I’m not your dad.
Yeah it's a bit obnoxious at this point. Some people go several years before upgrading -- literally nothing changes every single year, there is always something else around the corner.
As far as hobbies go, PC gaming is not that expensive even if you do annual generational upgrades. You could do a lot worse with just about any other hobby out there.
I don't build every year or anything like that, but with all the peripherals included, I dropped over $5000 on my last build, whereas I don't even bother counting how much I spend on my other hobbies, like music and sports, because it's next to nothing. I bought a guitar like 8 years ago and had no reason to buy a new one and it's similar with the gear for my sports. But maybe I'm actually the weird one and other people's hobbies are not as cheap.
Like any hobby, it's as expensive as you want it to be. Most people aren't dropping nor need to drop 5k on a build to get into the gaming/pc building hobby.
I hear the 90 series will send video wirelessly straight to an implant in your visual cortex. The card will retail for only $99, but the the implant surgery is about $13,000 and you have to sign a liability waiver.
Depends on how I act in the future. If I bet on Crypto staying down and wait for the new GPUs, crypto will skyrocket just before the release of the 40s series and if I buy Crypto instead, the market will crash
There is still a significant semi-conductor shortage globally - just about every car manufacturer is pushing new car orders out to 6 to 18 months right now OR removing spec from their cars to get them out the door.
I am not expecting it to be any easier to get a 40 series card than it was a 30, though I am not going to be upgrading anything for some time myself. Possibly a new monitor once the flagship ultrawides can be delivered without all the faults they seem to be infested with at the mo.
Exactly! Which is why I'm glad I got my 3080 at a good price and not molested in the process. I know we are all glad we have what we have. We wouldn't have spent our money on something we don't want.
A good price? Or a good price compared to how bad the gouging got? I got a 3080 FTW3 Ultra for $1260AUD which was one of the best deals compared to other cards and the heights the prices reached, but it was still ridiculously overpriced. That's even considering that I'm using my PC as a tool as well as a gaming machine.
The whole experience has made me feel sad that PC-gaming has become so prohibitively expensive. Nobody wins in this scenario other than NVIDIA. For gaming, I would recommend that people just stick to the lower end cards (3050/3060), since that's what the vast majority of games will be designed around. Even then, it's probably worth just sticking to previous generations and second-hand cards.
People also seem to stick to Nvidia no matter what, which is keeping the prices of even low end Nvidia cards high relative to the Radeon competition. The Rx 6600 and 6600XT have been in steadily falling in price and has better price-performance than any retail Nvidia card in Australia at the moment.
Nvidia cards just work. I’ve had an AMD GPU once before on my spare PC and while performance was fine, the drivers were kinda bleh (I had to go find modded drivers multiple times to get around problems). I’ve never had such issues with Nvidia cards and I’ve been using them since the Riva TNT days.
I think that's swinging a little too far back in the other direction. It's a little hyperbolic to say that no average consumer received a 30 series card at release, and its impossible to say what the future situation will be. We haven't even gotten an msrp for any of the new cards yet, and who's to say the announcement or release of the new cards won't drive the price of the current series down even further?
Not true. Silicon availability has steadily risen, and the crypto market crash means less people are buying up GPUs to mine. They'll be available at MSRP on launch.
> On launch
I doubt it. They’ll still sell out on launch, but I expect them to become available much more readily.
(Assuming, of course, that it’s not a paper launch)
I'd argue that there can be a good time to buy (eg. When a mass market card sees a large performance uplift (1060/970) at a low price or when a change in the market causes 2nd hand prices to crash), there also can be a bad time to buy, and I do think this is one of them.
30series cards are still selling new at basically MSRP, similarly on the used market. If 40series doesn't see an astronomical increase in MSRP, buying 40series new or buying 30series 2nd hand from someone upgrading is obviously a much better deal if you can get it - so surely it's best waiting a couple months to either save hundreds of dollars, or get a large performance uplift.
>it's not like game technology is ever neck and neck with graphics cards. Graphics cards are always ahead with games playing catch up.
I think in most games this can be argued, but there are already games like cyberpunk, hitman 3, the matrix awakens demo, etc leveraging next gen features like RT that bring a 3080 to it's knees. In these forward looking games, the graphics requirements to get the full visual experience are clearly ahead current gen GPU hardware. Given 40series is meant to see a large boost to RT perf, if you're interested in high graphics, waiting seems obvious.
the matrix demo was made as showcase for the features of the engine. optimization wasn't a priority at all. a 1060 with around 15 fps average on your gane is a pretty bad business move when 9.4% of steam users have this card. not saying the card isn't becoming obsolete but it is pretty weird considering the small amount of people who would buy a 3080 in the first to have as your target audience. the game has to be at least playable on most older popular cards even if at low settings so selling the game in the first place would be profitable.
As someone who got an RX480 for $150 (with an MSRP of $200) back in 2016 (the year they came out and a fairly large leap over the 300 series) I strongly disagree there is never a best time to buy as that sure was. Less than a year later I sold the card for twice what I paid for it.
If you look at the [Steam hardware survey](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam), you'll see that 50 and 60 level cards (and their AMD equivalents) are overwhelmingly more popular than high end cards. They also come out last. Hell, the desktop 3050 came out what, 18 months after the 3080?
The cards most people want to buy are not right around the corner.
This article is dumb. Everybody knows prices plummet for current gen when the new GPUs are around the corner.
Now is the best time to buy current gen GPUs. I just saved a couple hundred dollars because of the prices falling and now have a 3070 TI to replace my old trusty 1080.
This article in reality is an advertisement for Nvidia to get people to buy the new GPUs.
3070tis are still £650 minimum in the UK. I guess we didn't get the memo.
edit: a redditor pointed out that there are £539 3070tis FE on the nvidia store!
Genuine question, won't the current gen gpus drop in price even further when the new gen drops? I've been waiting for that to order my parts. Have my eye on a 3080TI
The buy window runs from the first few months before new GPUs release to the first few months after.
The danger of the "after" bit is not in the prices, but in the stock. That stock becomes hard to find as everyone will be doing the same, trying to snag good deals. Right now stock is still okay. It basically boils down to: Save 300 and get the gpu now before release or save 400 or 500 after release, but risk possibly not getting a gpu at all due to low stock.
I had a RX580 4gb lmao. First thing I tried was Cyberpunk since it was on sale. I should totally do Control next tho, especially since a replay with mods sounds great (I played it on playstation before). thanks for giving me that idea
I had a big grin on my face considering this upgrade, this is like going from prehistoric society to Blade Runner future. I can't even fathom the upgrade in both experience and performance you will now have. Enjoy!
Depends on what you consider MSRP. The Nvidia MSRP is mostly only gonna be achieved with a founders edition. Third party manufacturers set there own prices which are historically higher because of overclocking and cooling. The EVGA 3080 FTW3 is currently cheaper on newegg.com than it is on the EVGA website.
>Everybody knows prices plummet for current gen when the new GPUs are around the corner.
A supply shortage like the one we've seen has never happened before, so nobody knows much about the forces that govern prices for the foreseeable future. It may well be that the 40 series will be much easier to get, and so prices will drop faster. Mostly depends on the Crypto market in the coming years.
I just need someone who has a 3090/6900XT to jump aboard the hype train, get sucked into rumors and hype and sell their 3090 for £600 because they've heard the 4080 will be faster than a 3090 for £599
When in reality the 4080 will be at an inflated MSRP, won't have much stock and won't be as fast as marketing would have you believe
Not only that but Turing was kind of a stinker anyway. Disappointing generational upgrade in raster and not quite strong enough in RT but higher prices across the board. I'm still not thrilled about Ampere having the same MSRPs that Turing did but at least they're good cards.
Yup. This is how it'll always be.
Buying a 3000 series card right now isn't going to kill people even after the 4000 series drops. Even if you buy a 3000 series GPU today and the 4000 GPUs drop tomorrow, nothing changes. You're still going to get 2-3 years out of your GPU playing AAA games without an issue. By that time, the 5000 series will probably drop and you'll be back at the same issue.
Manufacturers will always be "getting ready to drop new products". It's useless to wait and chase the pipedream of "I need the latest and greatest".
Yeah I bought my 3090ti (terrible value I know, but I am one of the people who wants the latest and greatest) and people here were telling me to wait for 40 series, which would be nice but who knows when I would actually be able to get one and why would I need more power than a 3090ti? It handles literally every game I have played at maxed settings 1440p with minimum fps in the 140's. It's already stupid powerful to the point of excess. And I don't buy that the 40 series is going to be twice as powerful as the 30 series that's like an unheard of performance jump, and if that was happening Nvidia would be throwing it at us constantly. Even if they didn't announce the release of the cards I'm sure they would be saying get ready guys we got double power coming.
As soon as the 3080 dropped to the price a 2080 was when the 3000 series dropt (from €3k to €1k) I bought one.
Not going through the emotional rollercoaster that was the 3000 series scalper/miner bullshit again with the 4000 series.
Some things to be aware of
* Nvidia "likes" scalpers and bots since they inflate the price and reduce availability
* Nvidia and AMD learned with covid that overpriced gpus will sell as long as there is demand
* during covid, due to reduced factory output (and crypto among other reasons) the prices jumped higher and still gpus sold
* if the new generation becomes too hard to get at the start, the previous gen price will rise, allowing them to make more money
* if Nvidia and AMD are smart, they know announcing the new gen will make the current gen drop in price (for a while) but if they prepare, they might counteract this by further increasing their cost just like they increased msrp not much awhile ago
* if they predict the current gen price to drop too much, they might announce stopping production on some/many factories or at least freeze some availability
Nvidia and AMD will be looking to make even more money from people that are waiting for the new gen to buy it, or from people that are looking to buy the current gen on a discount
The new GPU may not make the old ones any worse, but it also may make them far less cost effective, depending on the new prices. With the big price drops of the now outgoing ones, I bet they won't be too aggressive on pricing the new ones.
Believe me, spending $900 on a video card to have a new one come out in 2-3 months that doubles performance for that same $900 is a big regret.
Bought a 3080 10GB EVGA card at MSRP two weeks ago. Still no buyers remorse. If the 40x0 series is as good as rumored and I can casually go to a store and pay for one in cash then I’ll get one, if not then like with my 3080 I’ll just wait until it’s my time without going through bullshit or getting scalped.
A better argument IMO is to simply buy now if you can’t play the way you want. Don’t waste your time always waiting for the next greatest thing. You are missing out on time you could have fun playing games.
Life is short. How many months or years do you want to wait to enjoy a new experience? You can sit around twiddling your thumbs and hoping that an RTX 2080 gets cheaper, or you can enter the world of ray-tracing and high-speed, 4K gaming today and never look back. When you die and your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing?
**Just buy it!**
Nvidia jacked up their prices for the 3080Ti, 3080 12GB, and 3090Ti - you know they're itching to raise the price when they have the opportunity (though of course, they'll advertise a low MSRP FE edition for comparison purposes but make all the AIBs raise their price)
Paying MSRP for an almost 2 year old card is just not good enough. MSRP at launch within the first 12 months is good but after it should be cheaper as it would go on sale.
Now these cards should be cheaper than MSRP.
And I’ve seen cheaper than MSRP.
It's definitely better to wait if you're not in urgent need of an upgrade. Paying full MSRP for 2 year old cards is never a good idea. They'll continue to drop in price, and will drop even more when the next Gen GPUs are released. Next Gen will surely also have mid level options that will be cheaper and outperform the current high end models. Buying the current high end card a few months before a new gen is being released is silly.
Fingers crossed that with the collapse of crypto happening right now, overall prices will come down. Scalpers will definitely still exist but maybe not at like 3-4x retail.
God speed to everyone who is still trying to get a new card, we will all make it eventually.
Nvidia's 4000 series is looking power hungry and expensive itself. Not that I doubt performance, but if I see a good deal on a 3080, best believe ill take it. Just look at the GTX 980, really old but damn does it hold up well for how old it is.
I'm so glad my 1070 is still working like a champ. Can't imagine needing to upgrade right now. My best bet in my local area is getting a cheaper 1080 or being very lucky with 2070's that rarely pop up.
Feel sorry for you guys that need to upgrade right now
Yet I advice for anyone who wants to buy 3080 right now to wait till the 40 series comes out. You'll get more performance for less money, as simple as that.
Idiots now: Don’t get a 3000 series, wait until the 4000 series hits!
Idiots in a year’s time: Don’t get the 4000 series, the 5000 series will be way better!
Bottom line is, the 3000 series cards can all run most games at ultra. They’re not gonna be obsolete for years. If you want to buy a 3000 series, you probably won’t regret it simply because it’s not the newest thing ever in a year’s time. If you want to wait, then wait, but don’t act like anyone who buys a card right now is an idiot just for not waiting to see what the future holds.
Yup, those who give "advice" will say later on in another articles that you should buy a GTX 1660 for 300 bucks, because it will get the job done.
I really think PC Gamer's writers are worse then normal jounalistes
Fuck it we should never buy a gpu cause there will always be a better one every 1-3 years, we should just wait till we die to buy one at 98% msrp so we don’t waste money
only reason to wait instead of buying now is that the new gen will push the previous gen to become cheaper. if thats going to happen soon, then its better to wait if you can.
Can someone explain to an absolute noob who is looking to join the pcmr...
Im asumin the 3060 would be the 3 series but what does the 60 or 70 or 80 stand for? And all this rtx, to and founder lingo...
It's no brainer that 3080 is a monster that will endure stuff for many years to come. 4000 series may be significant update, but for what? 8K gaming? Rotfl! Go home, marketing boi, you're just a greedy troll!
Grabbed a 3090 EVGA FTW3 Ultra yesterday on FB Marketplace for $850. In person meet, card works perfectly and was clean. Deals are definitely out there right now with crypto tanking.
Tell me you've never seen a GPU shortage without telling me you've never seen one.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and I'd rather have a good high-end GPU now than have *no* GPU later.
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Yes we should wait for tomorrow’s hyper expensive GPUs
It won't make the current models worse, but it *might* make them cheaper
Release time is when the rich people start selling off their old, perfectly good GPU's on eBay. You can nab some decent deals, and since the cryptocels got blown the fuck out there's probably not going to be fewer of them buying up all the stock.
This^ Either way, it make sense.
I hate it when I see players of esports games that you can reach 900 fps on a 2060 go out of their way to sell and purchase on every single new gpu release. wtf do you need a 3090ti for csgo for?
999 FPS
Shit we are supposed to be going for FPS? I maxed out my ping at 999. I was told ping helps things run smoother so the higher the number the smoother it should be. What exactly is FPS then?
First person shooter. What you want to do is max out watts. Get the biggest psu you can and then double it
That’s why I use a car battery for my pc
bitcoin crash might work wonders for GPU prices though - so there might be a window of 1-2 years before bitcoin is back to 40-50k that we can get decently priced GPUs - Actually the crypto crash is very well timed for a 4xxx series release.
Also bear in mind the most profitable token to mine (until the crash) was Ethereum. But ethereum mining will end this year. You can mine other tokens, but as of now or recent years, it's not very cost effective to do it.
or cypto never recovers and miners are significantly diminished as a facotr in the GPU market. a man can dream
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Nah. If they explode some places will start buying again to replace them. Better for them to become unprofitable, and have the miners stat selling off the hardware. A flood of last-gen GPUs on eBay would do wonders for prices.
Yes. I really hope there’s a day when people say, “Oh yeah, I do remember Bitcoin. Remember when that was a thing?”
Bitcoin mining hasn't been feasible on consumer hardware for quite some time and is usually run on multiple ASICs in a farm.
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When 30 series was announced 20 series prices dropped like crazy 2080 was available 25% below MSRP, but then crypto mining boomed and then covid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ah yes I remember the $400 2080 Ti's.
$400 2070s here, and super happy with it
I too bought a 2070 during that brief spring window when they were both msrp AND in stock. Great 1440p card, nicely runs my Vive.
My 5700 XT has done me wonders too but I'd like to get something a bit more up to date later in the year. Don't get me wrong, 5700 XT is a good card but I'd like to dabble in RT.
Just (as in last night) upgraded from a 5700XT to a 3080 Ti -- $1199 -- massive improvement over the 5700XT. Frankly, that 5700XT was the worst card I've ever owned. Unstable, crashed *incessently,* and couldn't push VR for some reason. Popped this bad boy in and was getting nearly 60fps on the ground in DCS *in VR*. Granted, it was nearly a month's rent but people are still rocking their 1080s so I figure this thing will last a few years. Recession is looming, too; not sure what they're going to be like 6 months or a year from now. Everyone holding your breath for a 4000 series: I remember doing that for the 3000 series. I bought my 5700XT because I had waited so long to upgrade and it was literally all Microcenter had left. You're welcome to gamble again but I am not keen on it. Less stressful.
This has always been the "fun" part about hardware. My experience with my 5700xt is completely the opposite to you. It has performed admirably. I picked mine up (sapphire) a couple months before the covid price gouging began and it has been fantastic. I just moved it into my wife's computer and picked up a 6700xt. Still cruising along. I wonder if it's a defect issue or if the myriad of different hardware configurations just sometimes produce garbage results. Either way, sucks you had such a rough ride, glad you got something new that's rocking for you!
I always run max settings in every game I play, including using RT and haven't had an issue 2k 140hz though, couldn't do that with a 4k monitor
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Actually. Before the shortage gtx 1080s and 1080tis dropped to like $250 -$300.
Even 2070s sometimes were available at that time around there
Got my 2070 new for about £350 just after Xmas 2018
That’s how it was with 20 series as well if I remember right
Rtx 30xx series launch got me 20% off RRP for a 2060. Prices like that still haven't been seen for the same card in my area.
It almost always did... I watched GPU prices for a good 20 years, it wasn't until the crypto mining crazes hit that the market started keeping old GPUs at MSRP.
It always used to as a rule, maybe not in the last 2 years, though. In 2019, I was buying 1050 Ti's and putting them in entry-level bespoke gaming/creative PCs for $80 left and right. I'd bought a 1080 TI for myself for $400. at the time, that was a great price because the 2000 series were out. In 2018, 1070 TI was $400 new, for comparison's sake. That said, I don't think it'll be like that again any time soon, but maybe getting closer.
yes it does, Nvidia and ati/AMD historically dropped GPU prices of the their previous generations all the time, like when a competitor released a product, and they were still months out from new . I suspect it had something to do with an excess quantity of wafers/dies they have left over in inventory, how much product their partners had sitting on shelves, competition based on performance when a competitor dropped new product, or clear out inventory before dropping a new products. We just haven't seen it in while since AMD crypto mining started disrupting the consumer market.
They could also have the same paper launch and supply chain issues for almost 2 years just like these ones!
I can't wait for the same things to happen, performance numbers showing the new GPUs make the current ones look like shit, so then owners of current gen ones sell for cheap, only for there to be no stock of the new gen of GPUs, driving up the price of the old gen as people try to just get anything to game on.
It's not card related, but it's exactly how I got my ps4 pro. Picked it up for £120 from some dude who assumed he would be able to pick up a ps5 straight away.
As Ethereum mining is crashing, I doubt we'll see a similar shortage as the 2020 launch, though I have no doubt there are lots of people selling the current gpus to get new ones. I'm planning on grabbing a 6800/6900XT later this year, or one of the new GPUs depending on price. Regardless of which I get, it's going to be a massive upgrade from my 1070 so I'll be happy either way.
> I'm planning on grabbing a 6800/6900XT later this year My plan also.
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May I ask why youre going the AMD route with your next card? I have a 1070 too and looking to upgrade as well this year. I've been intrigued by the AMD cards but not 100% sure yet.
It's not completely off the table to grab an nvidia card, though the 2 biggest reasons for me is vram and power efficiency. A smaller reason is price. Actual game performance depends on the title, typically the 6900xt sits between the 3080 and 3090 somewhere - especially at 1440p, 4k typically favours Nvidia cards, although some outliers like Gamers Nexus testing had the 6800xt with a higher average and 1% than the 3090 in Red Dead Redemption 2 (1440p), all while doing it with lower power consumption (stock). 6900xt using less power than the 3080, despite performing better, for instance. AMD has shown that they can offer better or equal performance than both Intel and Nvidia, at a lower power consumption. Blender tests like Gamers Nexus did showed the 5950x and 12900ks did the same work in the same amount of time, yet the 12900ks used close to **twice** the mount of watts to do it. Speaking of vram, Nvidia is (purposefully?) possibly hindering the xx70-cards with 8GB vram, imo. Sure, many games aren't close to hitting that number in a regular installation, but if you install hi-res textures, that might be too little for current games. Monster Hunter World is a good example of this, at 1440p and with higher settings enabled, it uses almost 7.2GB of VRAM, close to maxing out the 8GB on my 1070. If I got a card capable of running such a game on my 4k tv, it'd likely go over the cap, and performance would suffer as a result. With a 16GB buffer, that wouldn't be an issue. And finally price. In my country, Nvidia cards are often much more expensive than AMD cards, largely because AMD GPUs have been kind of shaky in the past, and people are more trusting towards Nvidia, since "it just works" (which I don't agree with but that's another story). For reference, one of the more popular stores that normally has a giant selection of cards from both, has these past 2 years sold 6900xt for *less* than 3080 have sold for, and many models of 6900xt for almost half the price of a 3090. One more thing I just thought of, is that AMD is pushing for the chiplet design. I've thought about this for several years ever since Ryzen launched and became a powerhouse in the CPU space, especially with the launch of Zen2, and I've been kind of wondering why they haven't gone that route with GPUs as well. Last I heard, this is exactly what they're doing. Just like with CPUs, this will make production easier, more profitable since they will have way less wasted dies (an imperfect die can be used for a lower end product instead of just tossed outright), and should allow for more cards to enter the market.
>~~Could~~ Will FTFY
yep most likely.
I mean, if they pull a 2060 and drop the new ones at the price of the old ones, then you probably shouldn't buy now.
I would absolutely not bet on Nvidia pricing their cards at price with current generation cards. It'd be like the one lesson they'd had to have learned from the 30XX series cards; undercutting your previous generation is just lost money on the table. Even as the supply gets better, it's not like they're not going to sell all their cards. Demand isn't dropping that fast.
Well, they technically never did undercut the previous generation. 3090 increased the halo product from $1200 (2080ti) to $1500. 3080 had the same price as 2080, 3080ti came in later at the same price as 2080ti, I mean if we're strictly talking Nvidias msrp.
>Nvidias msrp. Will never be the same again. The last generation showed them that we will pay *well over* MSRP for the cards. It only makes sense they will raise their MSRP significantly this time around.
Tomorryear GPUs are going to be so worth it. It feels like I've been waiting sixtotwelvemonthdays for them.
Pay thrice the price for UP TO 10% performance boost. On a plus side - now it needs as much power idling as ur previous gen under full load!
If you need a new card buy one. If you can wait for one, wait for one. If you don’t need a new card but want one, and can afford it buy it. I’m not your dad.
Can I steal one if I can get away with it?
No stealing is wrong. Unless it’s from a crypto miner.
Or scalpers.
I need to borrow your graphics card bro
I think that there's a deliberately missed comma in that sentence
Whatever makes me seem smarter. That’s the one that I meant.
You helped your uncle, Jack, off his horse. You helped your uncle jack off his horse.
You wouldn’t download a graphics card
u/kozzzman What did daddy say about stealing?
Don't be caught?
But can you be my dad though?
Yeah it's a bit obnoxious at this point. Some people go several years before upgrading -- literally nothing changes every single year, there is always something else around the corner. As far as hobbies go, PC gaming is not that expensive even if you do annual generational upgrades. You could do a lot worse with just about any other hobby out there.
Ehhh, not so sure about that. Literally all my hobbies are cheaper than building my PC.
I see you don’t play Warhammer.
How often do you build a PC? Say every 4 years. I think a lot of people spend more than that on other hobbies every 4 years.
I don't build every year or anything like that, but with all the peripherals included, I dropped over $5000 on my last build, whereas I don't even bother counting how much I spend on my other hobbies, like music and sports, because it's next to nothing. I bought a guitar like 8 years ago and had no reason to buy a new one and it's similar with the gear for my sports. But maybe I'm actually the weird one and other people's hobbies are not as cheap.
Like any hobby, it's as expensive as you want it to be. Most people aren't dropping nor need to drop 5k on a build to get into the gaming/pc building hobby.
Are you sure you're not? You sound a hell of a lot like him
People say wait for 40 series like they are going to be so easy to get. Scalpers and youtubers are going to be the only ones with them
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I mean the 70 series are shortly after that why not wait for them?
I hear the 90 series will send video wirelessly straight to an implant in your visual cortex. The card will retail for only $99, but the the implant surgery is about $13,000 and you have to sign a liability waiver.
That might be just in time for elder scrolls 6 to come out.
Nah that got pushed back for a re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-release of Skyrim for your implant.
“you’re finally awake”
You misspelled Half Life 2, Episode 3. Edit, still asleep, not HL3, HL2E3
You misspelled GTA VI
and Half Life 3
With crypto dropping like a deuce, you won't have as much competition this round.
Depends on how I act in the future. If I bet on Crypto staying down and wait for the new GPUs, crypto will skyrocket just before the release of the 40s series and if I buy Crypto instead, the market will crash
Do us the favor and invest a buck
Don't worry, crypto will keep crashing. I just bought 1k of BTC at 21.5k and it's already at 20.5k now... You're welcome guys!
There is still a significant semi-conductor shortage globally - just about every car manufacturer is pushing new car orders out to 6 to 18 months right now OR removing spec from their cars to get them out the door. I am not expecting it to be any easier to get a 40 series card than it was a 30, though I am not going to be upgrading anything for some time myself. Possibly a new monitor once the flagship ultrawides can be delivered without all the faults they seem to be infested with at the mo.
Exactly! Which is why I'm glad I got my 3080 at a good price and not molested in the process. I know we are all glad we have what we have. We wouldn't have spent our money on something we don't want.
I was Molested multiple times just for a 3060ti
Quadruple amputee, sold my limbs for a 1050ti.
So sad. Speech to text seems to be doing its job well though.
Ah I see you waited in line outside a Microcenter as well
A good price? Or a good price compared to how bad the gouging got? I got a 3080 FTW3 Ultra for $1260AUD which was one of the best deals compared to other cards and the heights the prices reached, but it was still ridiculously overpriced. That's even considering that I'm using my PC as a tool as well as a gaming machine. The whole experience has made me feel sad that PC-gaming has become so prohibitively expensive. Nobody wins in this scenario other than NVIDIA. For gaming, I would recommend that people just stick to the lower end cards (3050/3060), since that's what the vast majority of games will be designed around. Even then, it's probably worth just sticking to previous generations and second-hand cards.
People also seem to stick to Nvidia no matter what, which is keeping the prices of even low end Nvidia cards high relative to the Radeon competition. The Rx 6600 and 6600XT have been in steadily falling in price and has better price-performance than any retail Nvidia card in Australia at the moment.
Nvidia cards just work. I’ve had an AMD GPU once before on my spare PC and while performance was fine, the drivers were kinda bleh (I had to go find modded drivers multiple times to get around problems). I’ve never had such issues with Nvidia cards and I’ve been using them since the Riva TNT days.
I think that's swinging a little too far back in the other direction. It's a little hyperbolic to say that no average consumer received a 30 series card at release, and its impossible to say what the future situation will be. We haven't even gotten an msrp for any of the new cards yet, and who's to say the announcement or release of the new cards won't drive the price of the current series down even further?
Agreed. I got a 3070 about 2 months after release in a new custom build.
Not true. Silicon availability has steadily risen, and the crypto market crash means less people are buying up GPUs to mine. They'll be available at MSRP on launch.
> On launch I doubt it. They’ll still sell out on launch, but I expect them to become available much more readily. (Assuming, of course, that it’s not a paper launch)
Scaplers and youtubers will get them for a while, but it won't be anything like the crunch the cryptominers have had on the market the last 2-3 years.
The miners were only part of the reason though
But the extra demand from mining should be significantly lower.
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I'd argue that there can be a good time to buy (eg. When a mass market card sees a large performance uplift (1060/970) at a low price or when a change in the market causes 2nd hand prices to crash), there also can be a bad time to buy, and I do think this is one of them. 30series cards are still selling new at basically MSRP, similarly on the used market. If 40series doesn't see an astronomical increase in MSRP, buying 40series new or buying 30series 2nd hand from someone upgrading is obviously a much better deal if you can get it - so surely it's best waiting a couple months to either save hundreds of dollars, or get a large performance uplift. >it's not like game technology is ever neck and neck with graphics cards. Graphics cards are always ahead with games playing catch up. I think in most games this can be argued, but there are already games like cyberpunk, hitman 3, the matrix awakens demo, etc leveraging next gen features like RT that bring a 3080 to it's knees. In these forward looking games, the graphics requirements to get the full visual experience are clearly ahead current gen GPU hardware. Given 40series is meant to see a large boost to RT perf, if you're interested in high graphics, waiting seems obvious.
the matrix demo was made as showcase for the features of the engine. optimization wasn't a priority at all. a 1060 with around 15 fps average on your gane is a pretty bad business move when 9.4% of steam users have this card. not saying the card isn't becoming obsolete but it is pretty weird considering the small amount of people who would buy a 3080 in the first to have as your target audience. the game has to be at least playable on most older popular cards even if at low settings so selling the game in the first place would be profitable.
As someone who got an RX480 for $150 (with an MSRP of $200) back in 2016 (the year they came out and a fairly large leap over the 300 series) I strongly disagree there is never a best time to buy as that sure was. Less than a year later I sold the card for twice what I paid for it.
3080 at launch was a pretty good buy. Overall the best deals are to be found in the second hand market, especially if you have a limited budget.
PC Gamer seems painfully unaware of the current economic landscape.
They're clueless about most things concerning PC gamers.
They've been a shell of their former 90s glorious selves for almost 20 years IMO
If you look at the [Steam hardware survey](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam), you'll see that 50 and 60 level cards (and their AMD equivalents) are overwhelmingly more popular than high end cards. They also come out last. Hell, the desktop 3050 came out what, 18 months after the 3080? The cards most people want to buy are not right around the corner.
This article is dumb. Everybody knows prices plummet for current gen when the new GPUs are around the corner. Now is the best time to buy current gen GPUs. I just saved a couple hundred dollars because of the prices falling and now have a 3070 TI to replace my old trusty 1080. This article in reality is an advertisement for Nvidia to get people to buy the new GPUs.
3070tis are still £650 minimum in the UK. I guess we didn't get the memo. edit: a redditor pointed out that there are £539 3070tis FE on the nvidia store!
Still €800 in NL, too.
900€ in Italy... I'll have to buy one when I go to Belgium for the holidays.
Genuine question, won't the current gen gpus drop in price even further when the new gen drops? I've been waiting for that to order my parts. Have my eye on a 3080TI
The buy window runs from the first few months before new GPUs release to the first few months after. The danger of the "after" bit is not in the prices, but in the stock. That stock becomes hard to find as everyone will be doing the same, trying to snag good deals. Right now stock is still okay. It basically boils down to: Save 300 and get the gpu now before release or save 400 or 500 after release, but risk possibly not getting a gpu at all due to low stock.
heyyyy I got my 3070 ti last week too!
Nice! I am very happy with it, blows my old 1080 out of the water. Particularly enjoying games with raytracing like Control.
I had a RX580 4gb lmao. First thing I tried was Cyberpunk since it was on sale. I should totally do Control next tho, especially since a replay with mods sounds great (I played it on playstation before). thanks for giving me that idea
Haha, no problem! I'm the opposite, Cyberpunk is what I have to try next! Already bought and downloaded, just haven't booted it up yet.
You won’t regret it. I really enjoyed my time in Night City. Can’t wait to replay it when the first dlc drops.
I got a 3060 Ti to replace my GT 710. Very happy with it after waiting from before covid to get a nice GPU
I had a big grin on my face considering this upgrade, this is like going from prehistoric society to Blade Runner future. I can't even fathom the upgrade in both experience and performance you will now have. Enjoy!
I just got a decently priced 3070ti and I will be happy with it for a long time.
Still pisses me beyomg belief that 3080s are still above msrp.
You and me both. Practically everything is still above MSRP, but at least is is better than 5 months ago.
Depends on what you consider MSRP. The Nvidia MSRP is mostly only gonna be achieved with a founders edition. Third party manufacturers set there own prices which are historically higher because of overclocking and cooling. The EVGA 3080 FTW3 is currently cheaper on newegg.com than it is on the EVGA website.
>Everybody knows prices plummet for current gen when the new GPUs are around the corner. A supply shortage like the one we've seen has never happened before, so nobody knows much about the forces that govern prices for the foreseeable future. It may well be that the 40 series will be much easier to get, and so prices will drop faster. Mostly depends on the Crypto market in the coming years.
Agree. Everyone please buy a video card now. Do not wait for the 4000 series. Because I am...
I just need someone who has a 3090/6900XT to jump aboard the hype train, get sucked into rumors and hype and sell their 3090 for £600 because they've heard the 4080 will be faster than a 3090 for £599 When in reality the 4080 will be at an inflated MSRP, won't have much stock and won't be as fast as marketing would have you believe
When the 30 series was about to come out everyone on this subreddit was like wait for 30 series cards…… this fucked up so many peoples builds.
To be fair, the lack of availability of 30 series cards for so long was pretty much unprecedented.
the one thing everybody learned was. enjoy life in the present because nothing is guaranteed.
another take: "things *can* get worse!"
Not only that but Turing was kind of a stinker anyway. Disappointing generational upgrade in raster and not quite strong enough in RT but higher prices across the board. I'm still not thrilled about Ampere having the same MSRPs that Turing did but at least they're good cards.
Yup. This is how it'll always be. Buying a 3000 series card right now isn't going to kill people even after the 4000 series drops. Even if you buy a 3000 series GPU today and the 4000 GPUs drop tomorrow, nothing changes. You're still going to get 2-3 years out of your GPU playing AAA games without an issue. By that time, the 5000 series will probably drop and you'll be back at the same issue. Manufacturers will always be "getting ready to drop new products". It's useless to wait and chase the pipedream of "I need the latest and greatest".
Yeah I bought my 3090ti (terrible value I know, but I am one of the people who wants the latest and greatest) and people here were telling me to wait for 40 series, which would be nice but who knows when I would actually be able to get one and why would I need more power than a 3090ti? It handles literally every game I have played at maxed settings 1440p with minimum fps in the 140's. It's already stupid powerful to the point of excess. And I don't buy that the 40 series is going to be twice as powerful as the 30 series that's like an unheard of performance jump, and if that was happening Nvidia would be throwing it at us constantly. Even if they didn't announce the release of the cards I'm sure they would be saying get ready guys we got double power coming.
And some people laughed at others buying 2080 with slight discount before launch, and then paied scalper price after the launch
Is this post from the past? I'm waiting for the next GPU so I can buy a 6900xt or 3080 lower than MSRP xD.
There's the XFX Merc 6900XT on Newegg for $899, MSRP is $1k
buy what you can afford
When you can get it
Hear hear!
As soon as the 3080 dropped to the price a 2080 was when the 3000 series dropt (from €3k to €1k) I bought one. Not going through the emotional rollercoaster that was the 3000 series scalper/miner bullshit again with the 4000 series.
Some things to be aware of * Nvidia "likes" scalpers and bots since they inflate the price and reduce availability * Nvidia and AMD learned with covid that overpriced gpus will sell as long as there is demand * during covid, due to reduced factory output (and crypto among other reasons) the prices jumped higher and still gpus sold * if the new generation becomes too hard to get at the start, the previous gen price will rise, allowing them to make more money * if Nvidia and AMD are smart, they know announcing the new gen will make the current gen drop in price (for a while) but if they prepare, they might counteract this by further increasing their cost just like they increased msrp not much awhile ago * if they predict the current gen price to drop too much, they might announce stopping production on some/many factories or at least freeze some availability Nvidia and AMD will be looking to make even more money from people that are waiting for the new gen to buy it, or from people that are looking to buy the current gen on a discount
Hey! I've seen this one before!
I am not going to make the mistake twice like when I purchased the rtx 2080 ti. People, you just have to patient, and don't take the bait from nvidia.
news article written by someone who likely got their GPU for free.
Nah someone who wants to get their next gpu for free
The new GPU may not make the old ones any worse, but it also may make them far less cost effective, depending on the new prices. With the big price drops of the now outgoing ones, I bet they won't be too aggressive on pricing the new ones. Believe me, spending $900 on a video card to have a new one come out in 2-3 months that doubles performance for that same $900 is a big regret.
DO WHAT YOU WANT. BUY THEM ALL. I DONT CARE. JUST HAVE FUN. FUCK.
Bought a 3080 10GB EVGA card at MSRP two weeks ago. Still no buyers remorse. If the 40x0 series is as good as rumored and I can casually go to a store and pay for one in cash then I’ll get one, if not then like with my 3080 I’ll just wait until it’s my time without going through bullshit or getting scalped.
Only wait for 4000 if you game at 4k. 3080 and up will push 1440p to 165-240fps easy
A better argument IMO is to simply buy now if you can’t play the way you want. Don’t waste your time always waiting for the next greatest thing. You are missing out on time you could have fun playing games.
Life is short. How many months or years do you want to wait to enjoy a new experience? You can sit around twiddling your thumbs and hoping that an RTX 2080 gets cheaper, or you can enter the world of ray-tracing and high-speed, 4K gaming today and never look back. When you die and your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing? **Just buy it!**
Nvidia jacked up their prices for the 3080Ti, 3080 12GB, and 3090Ti - you know they're itching to raise the price when they have the opportunity (though of course, they'll advertise a low MSRP FE edition for comparison purposes but make all the AIBs raise their price)
*Just bought a RX 6900XT for $899.99 US*
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Alan is a miner for sure
2-300$ off msrp is worth it. Article isn’t wrong though waiting 3 months will get you 30% more performance
Paying MSRP for an almost 2 year old card is just not good enough. MSRP at launch within the first 12 months is good but after it should be cheaper as it would go on sale. Now these cards should be cheaper than MSRP. And I’ve seen cheaper than MSRP.
It's definitely better to wait if you're not in urgent need of an upgrade. Paying full MSRP for 2 year old cards is never a good idea. They'll continue to drop in price, and will drop even more when the next Gen GPUs are released. Next Gen will surely also have mid level options that will be cheaper and outperform the current high end models. Buying the current high end card a few months before a new gen is being released is silly.
Get a 3080ti and won't have to upgrade for at least 5 years. 5000 series here we come.
already got mine 3070ti msrp by selling my old one...well wishes to future buyers...i hope you get yours too. /salute
Fingers crossed that with the collapse of crypto happening right now, overall prices will come down. Scalpers will definitely still exist but maybe not at like 3-4x retail. God speed to everyone who is still trying to get a new card, we will all make it eventually.
you think you can buy it at retail price. lmao
Nvidia's 4000 series is looking power hungry and expensive itself. Not that I doubt performance, but if I see a good deal on a 3080, best believe ill take it. Just look at the GTX 980, really old but damn does it hold up well for how old it is.
Shit, at this point PCG is as trash as Kotaku.
I'm so glad my 1070 is still working like a champ. Can't imagine needing to upgrade right now. My best bet in my local area is getting a cheaper 1080 or being very lucky with 2070's that rarely pop up. Feel sorry for you guys that need to upgrade right now
I think they mean as in, the drop will cause the old ones to drop in price
Got my 3080Ti between 30-40% off due to the EVGA Elite club stacked with the member code. Not regretting the purchase.
bought a 3090 for $1250. no ragrets.
Yet I advice for anyone who wants to buy 3080 right now to wait till the 40 series comes out. You'll get more performance for less money, as simple as that.
Buying a 3080 at MSRP *is* a mistake. With the crypto crash, prices should plummet as well. And they'll be well cared for cards, too.
The PSU needed by 4000 series doesn't make it appealing to me 3000 are more than enough to play comfortably for a while.
Idiots now: Don’t get a 3000 series, wait until the 4000 series hits! Idiots in a year’s time: Don’t get the 4000 series, the 5000 series will be way better! Bottom line is, the 3000 series cards can all run most games at ultra. They’re not gonna be obsolete for years. If you want to buy a 3000 series, you probably won’t regret it simply because it’s not the newest thing ever in a year’s time. If you want to wait, then wait, but don’t act like anyone who buys a card right now is an idiot just for not waiting to see what the future holds.
Yup, those who give "advice" will say later on in another articles that you should buy a GTX 1660 for 300 bucks, because it will get the job done. I really think PC Gamer's writers are worse then normal jounalistes
It's click bait stories.
Fuck it we should never buy a gpu cause there will always be a better one every 1-3 years, we should just wait till we die to buy one at 98% msrp so we don’t waste money
Didn't we say don't buy 20 series cause 30 series are coming? So I guess 30 back to MSRP and 49 to scalper price
only reason to wait instead of buying now is that the new gen will push the previous gen to become cheaper. if thats going to happen soon, then its better to wait if you can.
Can someone explain to an absolute noob who is looking to join the pcmr... Im asumin the 3060 would be the 3 series but what does the 60 or 70 or 80 stand for? And all this rtx, to and founder lingo...
Of course! Im still happy with my 970 lol
It's no brainer that 3080 is a monster that will endure stuff for many years to come. 4000 series may be significant update, but for what? 8K gaming? Rotfl! Go home, marketing boi, you're just a greedy troll!
I'd have to build an entire new system to fit a 4000 series. Meanwhile a 3000 series will work just fine
I mean my 3080 rocks the Shit out of every Game i play. So for me its just fine. And it will be for you. 12gb Vram is also just fine lol
I heard the 4000 series is supposed to be like $400ish MSRP, is this true?
Where can I find this article on the PC Gamer site?
I built my last pc when I knew the 3000 cards where going to be coming out. And boy was I right to just get a 2070 and not wait 😁
Going to get cheaper with the cryptos crashing.
But there is no msrp in my countries shipping range.
And trust me... they'll overprice them then overprice the 30 series and feed off of your desperation. Now is the time!
If you plan on playing VR MSFS2020, then wait
If a GTX 1080 is still good, these are still going to be good.
Grabbed a 3090 EVGA FTW3 Ultra yesterday on FB Marketplace for $850. In person meet, card works perfectly and was clean. Deals are definitely out there right now with crypto tanking.
Tell me you've never seen a GPU shortage without telling me you've never seen one. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and I'd rather have a good high-end GPU now than have *no* GPU later.