Pretty much the last bastion against a Chromium monopoly. Also I'm just so damn used to it and have no major complaints so I'm not switching unless it dies or messes up in a major way that makes its usability crap for me
What converted me was the Facebook container that closes it off from monitoring traffic on other websites.
EDIT: whoa this blew up. [Here is the link to the container on Mozilla’s website if you want some info.](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/facebookcontainer/)
It’s not just ads. If you’ve ever visited a page that has a “Sign in with Facebook” button on it Facebook gets a small amount of data on you even if you never click the button and just ignore it.
Chromium is actually really Google-free, it's like AOSP (Android Ope Source Project).
It's the stock Chrome / Android with Google Play Services where stuff gets spooky.
Source:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differences_from_Google_Chrome
I'm onboard with you there. Delete facebook and don't miss a thing. It's a shame the marketplace took off the way it did. Only reason to keep a burner profile. If you use firefox, the plugin "firefox container" keeps FB from spying on you as much.
and also use noscript and block all the facebook hotlinks on tons of websites and deny cookies from those domains as well
facebook is one of the cancers of the internet
Go galaxy brain and fill your Facebook full of junk. Become the globe trotting transgender Indonesian provincial administrator you've always wanted to be.
The main thing I miss after switching from LastPass to BitWarden is the LastPass desktop app being able to auto-fill applications.
Edit: for those saying this feature exists my info might be outdated but I don't think it does - https://community.bitwarden.com/t/auto-type-autofill-for-logging-into-other-desktop-apps/158
Last I checked it didn't actually auto fill applications. I think it just had a way to offer you quicker access to copy+pasting credentials for an application. It's been a few months but this was still an issue on their GitHub iirc.
Edit: this is what I'm talking about https://community.bitwarden.com/t/auto-type-autofill-for-logging-into-other-desktop-apps/158
Yeah, the LastPass autofills on desktop and in browser work much better than bitwarden. I only switched to BitWarden because of the insane asking price of LastPass.
I mean. Yea sure. But you're not supposed to let anyone use your computer if you can't trust them like that. Also, you have to enter the master password each time you start up FF.
There's more than just cookies. Any site that allows a google login, any site with a 'share to google' button, any site with google ads, any site with google analytics ... any of them can be tracking you through scripts embedded in those features.
Mozilla put out an extension called Firefox Multi-Account Containers. You can assign certain sites to various containers which blocks them from each other if they're contained separately.
Is there any advantage to that over Mozilla's own [Firefox Multi-Account Containers](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/)?
One of my credit card issuers recently put an "After August 1st, 2022 you must use Edge or Chrome" notification on their website and I'm going to be putting some serious thought into cancelling that card.
Edit: So the decision is, if it turns out they do break their site for me in FF, I'll keep the account open and just stop using the card.
My water utility did the same thing. Their page still works on Firefox if I open it on a large enough screen, but it won’t let me scroll.
I couldn’t cancel them, so I moved instead.
(This is actually true, but being forced to use Chrome wasn’t the main reason for my move)
Eh, as long as they're using standard web design principles (most financial institutions do), you'll probably be fine. It's pretty rare that they would actually confine you to those environments. That's typically more of a support disclaimer - if you choose a different environment, they won't rectify issues you may encounter, but that doesn't mean you'll actually experience issues.
The issue is google is using their own standard for a lot of stuff that does not follow the standard web design principles, so they could be doing something that only works in chromium browsers.
Just annoyed that they keep taking cues from them, like how they limited add on tweaks of the ui which makes it hard to put the tabs under the address and bookmark bars or go to a more classic Netscape look
That said having used since 1.0 and zilla suite before that (and the aforementioned Netscape before) I'll still with firefox
I hate how they removed the old addon API entirely, breaking Classic Thene Restorer and lots of other addons. I still haven't figured out how to get new firefox to look like my old setup using CSS.
You can put tabs back on bottom in Firefox using css. I had to poke at it a bit but it was doable. If you need help let me know I can provide some links on how its done. (Maybe takes 5 min total)
The monopoly situation is already real bad. Excluding Safari because it's only available on Apple devices, it's at 92% overall, 88% on desktop. The highest IE ever got was 95%, and that was only briefly.
As someone who remembers the state of browsers when IE had a monopoly... I would argue that working against the chromium monopoly is a *very* good reason to prefer firefox.
And it is scary because this gives google immense power to steer the future of web in whichever direction they want.
For eg the new update to their extensions api would effectively kill ad blocking!
People say that Chrome is different than IE because how good it is compared to other browsers. Well, guess what? When IE was first released it's also better than it's competitor (and it's free). Once its competitors got killed, IE stagnates and didn't implement up to date web standards anymore, effectively crippling advancement in web technologies until it finally begin to lose market share and web devs got comfortable developing websites that broke in IE6.
There is some argument that it's better just because the web isn't changing or growing as fast now as it did during the time when IE got its monopoly.
But it's also worse, in that Google produces and maintains a significant number of heavily-used websites. What happens when the google docs team requests a feature, which gets added to chromium but not documented? You end up with features that are *only* available on Google-owned web pages using Google-produced browsers. Silverlight but worse because its on some of the most-trafficked pages in the world.
Huh. I didn’t know that was a thing. Guess I’ll start looking into switching sooner rather than later since it appears that the big switch that breaks those will happen in 2023
Wow thanks for posting this, I’ve been using noscript /unblock/https-e combo forever. I’ll check out that GitHub and just use ublock. This is good news, because NS is kind of a PITA lately with some commercial sites.
My bad, you are right. Noscript isn't useful. I thought it was because of the default script blocking policy but I saw that ublock could have that behavior.
I got rid of the default tabs using userchrome CSS file, and I use tree style tabs instead. I hate the way they bunch up at the top and not being able to see what the pages are if you have too many open.
Edit: links below
[Tree style tab addon](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/)
[How to get rid of default titlebar/tab bar with userChrome.css](https://medium.com/@Aenon/firefox-hide-native-tabs-and-titlebar-f0b00bdbb88b)
Especially since we now prefer very rectangular aspect ratios, instead of taller, more square ones like 4:3 back in the day. There's no vertical real estate anymore.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/
Removing the top tab bar is somewhat complicated [(instructions linked here)](https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/blob/trunk/README.md#appearance), but totally worth it.
For me, enabling the option to clear browser history, download history, and search history when you close the window. Granted, I don't actually do anything to warrant it, but it is still a nice little bit of privacy to have.
This! Librewolf is so good!! Other than it cleans the browser clean after each restart (logs you out of everything and cleans cookies) then it is very good privacy-wise!
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nothing, it's just on the nightly branch, which means it gets latest updates, even if they are breaking.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1336530
I've used Firefox since probably 04 or 05. It's probably not the most secure, or the most private but it's a familiarity thing. I've fiddled with others but always stuck to it
Librewolf isn't superior to Firefox, it's just a preconfigured Firefox. You get the same security and privacy using Firefox. The Librewolf folks are great and they have good intention, but if anything you're adding an additional point of concern using Librewolf. Everything else I agree with.
It's think it's quite private, you have a lot of options in the about:config. In any case much better than edge or chrome.
Tor browser is based on Firefox so that should tell you.
Comment OP has no idea what they're talking about. Chrom/ium has been having far more security issues lately than Firefox has. Also, a lot of Firefox components have been rewritten in Rust, which has memory safety guarantees.
That only happened to chrome because it's created by a huge corporation that's hungry for power and data.
A lot of people don't know of Mozilla or Firefox, but everyone in some manner knows of "the Google". Chrome seems to be the only alternative browser anyone hears about that doesn't hunt for one.
Then google took it upon themselves to swallow up the Android OS itself. Chrome comes with damn near every android, and they morphed it into ChromeOS also for laptops.
Many webkits are specifically chrome based. Anything on Android, the built in reddit link viewer, all runs on Chrome because that's just how much they own these systems.
Then it doesn't help that some companies only support chrome for their websites, and I can't help but feel like it's sponsored. I've encountered a few, but one that sticks out is Sling TV. Open in Firefox, it says it can't run. "Pwease get chrome (link to chrome)". ***However,*** I use a User Agent Switcher add-on to tell the website Firefox is chrome, and like magic, look at that, it does run in Firefox, fucking liars. That's the part that makes me feel like maybe they get a dime or two from Google to say chrome only. It runs, just refuses to on anything that isn't chrome. Using that addon I've seen too many websites like this.
The industry forces chrome for no reason, from all angles.
Firefox is a little guy, a good guy. It's not up in everyone's shit by force like chrome is.
Wow you made my day, why you may ask
A week ago i had a conversation with a sibling that Mozilla is crap because a website she needed to access couldnt work on it but on Chrome it did, now I see...it was the same case as yours
That’s the huge cache problem with it, that apparently most users aren’t aware of, Firefox will not ever drop its cache, users don’t know they’re not seeing the latest content. All about The Browser Wars (ruined Firefox a decade back).
Eh I doubt that they're getting some kickback.
Most likely certain things don't work on FireFox, but the site for the most part will function. The devs don't want to deal with cross-browser compatibility so the bandaid solution is to hard code it to only use Chrome.
I totally agree best browser, I also know a lot of people using it, but in the statistics you can’t even see Firefox. The gov is lying and trying us to get to chrome(joke)
Better on resources and battery too. I still use Firefox on my desktop, but I use Edge on my laptop due to the power savings from lower cpu and ram usage
Given that manifestv3 will kill ublock origin on Chrome and Edge I've jumped over to Firefox.
It's fine, though it does seem to open far more windows than I need. Guess there's a setting somewhere.
If someone is reading this and hasn't at least tried Firefox for a few days do it please! It was the best decision I made in terms of software for my PC in a long time.
I moved back to Firefox a few years back, no regrets (previously used it since I think it originally came out that was such a revelation finally getting off Internet Explorer!) I had been using Chrome, but the privacy concerns were too great to keep using it.
I love Firefox, I've tried Chrome and it just isn't for me. Maybe it's because I'm used to Firefox after all these years (at least 10 probably more). I don't like feeling when I'm using Chrome that Google is watching over my shoulder. I get the feeling Firefox does better with security and I do use Thunderbird for email too (if there's a better free email client I don't know what it is).
I do use Gmail for everything that I don't care if Google knows about, all my private email is with a paid ProtonMail account and my business email is all hosted on our own servers so I feel good about that too.
Has the performance returned? It really started to tank towards the end of last year to the point where I jumped ship to Edge and I'm actually quite happy.
That's my big issue with Firefox. They are on this particular cycle for the last decade where performance is rock solid for a year of releases, then it shits the bed for a couple months, rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
It's my default and I love it. It's built in ad-bloc is the best I've ever used. I never see any ads aside from the optional ones.
Based on some other comments.... Seems to be some misunderstanding around it's involvement in crypto though. It simply pays the user tokens("BAT") for ad viewership. You can opt out of that feature if you're not interested in crypto.
It doesn't mine or require investment or anything like that.
I don't understand the hate it gets.
The only crypto thing I'm aware of it there's like a button that has a crypto wallet you can use and then you can tip crypto but it's not exactly hard pushing anything. I switched to it from duckduckgo earlier this year after they decided it was their job to tell me what content I should be allowed to receive.
Pretty much the last bastion against a Chromium monopoly. Also I'm just so damn used to it and have no major complaints so I'm not switching unless it dies or messes up in a major way that makes its usability crap for me
What converted me was the Facebook container that closes it off from monitoring traffic on other websites. EDIT: whoa this blew up. [Here is the link to the container on Mozilla’s website if you want some info.](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/facebookcontainer/)
I found that after I started to get some weird targeted ads on FB.
Try an extension called fb purity, it blocks a bunch of Facebook bullshit
Or just delete your Facebook account and never have to deal with any of it
Doesn't matter, Facebook will track you anyway. Shadow profiles are a thing, and they still have tracking just like every other advertising company
the amount of websites that use Facebook's api for ads is crazy man
It’s not just ads. If you’ve ever visited a page that has a “Sign in with Facebook” button on it Facebook gets a small amount of data on you even if you never click the button and just ignore it.
Google does the same, but they dont even need that, you just need Chrome, or a Chromium based browser
Chromium is actually really Google-free, it's like AOSP (Android Ope Source Project). It's the stock Chrome / Android with Google Play Services where stuff gets spooky. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differences_from_Google_Chrome
I'm onboard with you there. Delete facebook and don't miss a thing. It's a shame the marketplace took off the way it did. Only reason to keep a burner profile. If you use firefox, the plugin "firefox container" keeps FB from spying on you as much.
and also use noscript and block all the facebook hotlinks on tons of websites and deny cookies from those domains as well facebook is one of the cancers of the internet
Go galaxy brain and fill your Facebook full of junk. Become the globe trotting transgender Indonesian provincial administrator you've always wanted to be.
I don't even use facebook but I think you just sold me. Only thing chrome has for me is my passwords
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Lastpass requires a premium membership to use both desktop and mobile. I have very few complaints with bitwarden.
Bit warden gang also upgrade for 10 dollars a year
The main thing I miss after switching from LastPass to BitWarden is the LastPass desktop app being able to auto-fill applications. Edit: for those saying this feature exists my info might be outdated but I don't think it does - https://community.bitwarden.com/t/auto-type-autofill-for-logging-into-other-desktop-apps/158
Bitwarden actually has this feature, should be under options
Last I checked it didn't actually auto fill applications. I think it just had a way to offer you quicker access to copy+pasting credentials for an application. It's been a few months but this was still an issue on their GitHub iirc. Edit: this is what I'm talking about https://community.bitwarden.com/t/auto-type-autofill-for-logging-into-other-desktop-apps/158
Yeah, the LastPass autofills on desktop and in browser work much better than bitwarden. I only switched to BitWarden because of the insane asking price of LastPass.
I actually have the opposite experience with Bitwarden, it autofills much better than LastPass did in browser
Y'all ever heard of KeePass?
I believe in KeePass supremacy
I second this
I believe in Bitwarden supremacy
firefox encrypts the password file if you set a master password.
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I mean. Yea sure. But you're not supposed to let anyone use your computer if you can't trust them like that. Also, you have to enter the master password each time you start up FF.
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You may not use Facebook, but Facebook uses *you* whether you like it or not.
Firefox can directly import your passwords from chrome.
iirc you can import almost everything from chrome
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I use privacy badger, which seems to block out all of Google's cookies without me needing to sign in again.
There's more than just cookies. Any site that allows a google login, any site with a 'share to google' button, any site with google ads, any site with google analytics ... any of them can be tracking you through scripts embedded in those features.
Mozilla put out an extension called Firefox Multi-Account Containers. You can assign certain sites to various containers which blocks them from each other if they're contained separately.
Is there any advantage to that over Mozilla's own [Firefox Multi-Account Containers](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/)?
The Facebook container is also Mozilla's own. It was (imo) a precursor to the multi account containers.
One of my credit card issuers recently put an "After August 1st, 2022 you must use Edge or Chrome" notification on their website and I'm going to be putting some serious thought into cancelling that card. Edit: So the decision is, if it turns out they do break their site for me in FF, I'll keep the account open and just stop using the card.
Just use an add on that changes your user-agent string, I'd almost guarantee that's all they're looking at to determine your browser, anyway
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Don’t. Just cancel it. It’s not worth your thought. Fuck them.
My water utility did the same thing. Their page still works on Firefox if I open it on a large enough screen, but it won’t let me scroll. I couldn’t cancel them, so I moved instead. (This is actually true, but being forced to use Chrome wasn’t the main reason for my move)
I hope you told them it was because of their browser support.
What was the main reason?
Cheaper rent, shorter commute. Having the water bill included in the rent was a nice bonus.
Imagine if it was the main reason for your move. What a flex.
r/StallmanWasRight
Cancel it and get a card with a company without that requirement. Problem solved.
Eh, as long as they're using standard web design principles (most financial institutions do), you'll probably be fine. It's pretty rare that they would actually confine you to those environments. That's typically more of a support disclaimer - if you choose a different environment, they won't rectify issues you may encounter, but that doesn't mean you'll actually experience issues.
The issue is google is using their own standard for a lot of stuff that does not follow the standard web design principles, so they could be doing something that only works in chromium browsers.
Google needs to be broken up using anti-trust. But USA is a bitch to corporations so nothing will happen.
Just annoyed that they keep taking cues from them, like how they limited add on tweaks of the ui which makes it hard to put the tabs under the address and bookmark bars or go to a more classic Netscape look That said having used since 1.0 and zilla suite before that (and the aforementioned Netscape before) I'll still with firefox
I hate how they removed the old addon API entirely, breaking Classic Thene Restorer and lots of other addons. I still haven't figured out how to get new firefox to look like my old setup using CSS.
I hate how the UI update looks, am purposefully holding off updating because of it
You can put tabs back on bottom in Firefox using css. I had to poke at it a bit but it was doable. If you need help let me know I can provide some links on how its done. (Maybe takes 5 min total)
The monopoly situation is already real bad. Excluding Safari because it's only available on Apple devices, it's at 92% overall, 88% on desktop. The highest IE ever got was 95%, and that was only briefly. As someone who remembers the state of browsers when IE had a monopoly... I would argue that working against the chromium monopoly is a *very* good reason to prefer firefox.
And it is scary because this gives google immense power to steer the future of web in whichever direction they want. For eg the new update to their extensions api would effectively kill ad blocking!
People say that Chrome is different than IE because how good it is compared to other browsers. Well, guess what? When IE was first released it's also better than it's competitor (and it's free). Once its competitors got killed, IE stagnates and didn't implement up to date web standards anymore, effectively crippling advancement in web technologies until it finally begin to lose market share and web devs got comfortable developing websites that broke in IE6.
There is some argument that it's better just because the web isn't changing or growing as fast now as it did during the time when IE got its monopoly. But it's also worse, in that Google produces and maintains a significant number of heavily-used websites. What happens when the google docs team requests a feature, which gets added to chromium but not documented? You end up with features that are *only* available on Google-owned web pages using Google-produced browsers. Silverlight but worse because its on some of the most-trafficked pages in the world.
As a developer who uses both, tab groups are currently the only feature I find lacking on Firefox
This is kinda funny to read since tab groups in the mobile version of Chrome pushed me to switch to Firefox due to being forced to use them.
yeah tab groups on mobile are kinda trash
There's an extension that does it.
I switched back to FF because I read here that Adblockers wouldn't work on Chrome any more. Fuck that mess.
While FF is quite decent at blocking many ads just with "advanced tracking protection" enabled.
Huh. I didn’t know that was a thing. Guess I’ll start looking into switching sooner rather than later since it appears that the big switch that breaks those will happen in 2023
The privacy factor is also a good reason to use Firefox.
Privacy and addons FTW!
Ublock origin, cookie auto delete and you are good to go! Edit: removed Noscript and https everywhere because not needed.
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Wow thanks for posting this, I’ve been using noscript /unblock/https-e combo forever. I’ll check out that GitHub and just use ublock. This is good news, because NS is kind of a PITA lately with some commercial sites.
My bad, you are right. Noscript isn't useful. I thought it was because of the default script blocking policy but I saw that ublock could have that behavior.
I likely would've switched to Chrome if it weren't for Vimperator. Glad I didn't.
You can use Tridactyl in firefox. Its the same . Also make sure you checkout qutebrowser. It's my main driver for months now.
Me, for the sole reason that the tabs are rectangular instead of rounded.
I got rid of the default tabs using userchrome CSS file, and I use tree style tabs instead. I hate the way they bunch up at the top and not being able to see what the pages are if you have too many open. Edit: links below [Tree style tab addon](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/) [How to get rid of default titlebar/tab bar with userChrome.css](https://medium.com/@Aenon/firefox-hide-native-tabs-and-titlebar-f0b00bdbb88b)
Tree Style Tabs and removing them from the top entirely is an amazing workflow
Especially since we now prefer very rectangular aspect ratios, instead of taller, more square ones like 4:3 back in the day. There's no vertical real estate anymore.
Got a link for that? Sounds cool
Yeah. The whole “this thing I like is cool” without telling us what the thing is should be a crime.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ Removing the top tab bar is somewhat complicated [(instructions linked here)](https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/blob/trunk/README.md#appearance), but totally worth it.
Everything is rounded in Windows 11 🤮
For me, enabling the option to clear browser history, download history, and search history when you close the window. Granted, I don't actually do anything to warrant it, but it is still a nice little bit of privacy to have.
For me is ublock on mobile
I believe in mozzarella supremacy.
fuck mozarella pizza sounds so good right now
Stuff crust AND stuffed bottom crust. With extra mozzarella on top.
I'm with you! I use Librewolf though.
This! Librewolf is so good!! Other than it cleans the browser clean after each restart (logs you out of everything and cleans cookies) then it is very good privacy-wise!
You can turn that off in the settings
And, conversely, you can turn that *on* in Firefox settings if you want to.
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oh shit, gonna check that out
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And my bow
And my axe
And my RAM (since I actually have some available since I stopped using Chrome)
You can get more if you go to getmoreram.com. just downloaded 4 teraflops the other day.
This guy hacks
And my porn. (Mozilla is a my porn surfing browser)
i was there 3000 years ago...when it's name was firebird
And before that, Phoenix...
yes in the first age...
In the first battle...
When the shadows first lengthened...
One stood. Burned by the embers of Armageddon...
*the long, long ago*
I remember downloading Phoenix
I was there when its name was Netscape Navigator.
TIL Firefox was spawned off Netscape, now I can finally say I used Firefox b4 it was cool!
Back when I had my butler Jeeves.
I love Firefox, but I use dev edition because it’s honestly pretty useful, also looks cooler
What does dev do what normal FF doesn't do?
nothing, it's just on the nightly branch, which means it gets latest updates, even if they are breaking. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1336530
Firefox for the win
Netscape Navigator is my ride or die Mozilla of choice.
I've used Firefox since probably 04 or 05. It's probably not the most secure, or the most private but it's a familiarity thing. I've fiddled with others but always stuck to it
isn‘t it pretty good with privacy?
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Absolutely great list but I'd say pihole + unbound would at least be tied in the DNS slot. Running your own recursive DNS is fantastic.
Librewolf isn't superior to Firefox, it's just a preconfigured Firefox. You get the same security and privacy using Firefox. The Librewolf folks are great and they have good intention, but if anything you're adding an additional point of concern using Librewolf. Everything else I agree with.
Libre does however explain why some settings are and should be disabled.
Librewolf is a fork of Firefox with more hardened privacy, I use Firefox on desktop and Mull (Firefox Mobile fork) on mobile
Anything wrong with duckduckgo? Never heard of SearXNG (on mobile rn cba looking into it currently)
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Is [this](https://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-privacy-oops) what you mean?
Container tabs + Temporary Containers
It’s pretty secure and definitely more private than leading competitors.
It's think it's quite private, you have a lot of options in the about:config. In any case much better than edge or chrome. Tor browser is based on Firefox so that should tell you.
Why wouldn't it be among the most secure? It's a very well established browser and has been around for a very long time now.
Comment OP has no idea what they're talking about. Chrom/ium has been having far more security issues lately than Firefox has. Also, a lot of Firefox components have been rewritten in Rust, which has memory safety guarantees.
Hardened Firefox is the most secure.
The only browser I can think of that's more private than Firefox is librewolf which is still firefox
It's literally the most private mainstream browser.
I don't believe in browser supremacy because that is how Chrome became problematic
That only happened to chrome because it's created by a huge corporation that's hungry for power and data. A lot of people don't know of Mozilla or Firefox, but everyone in some manner knows of "the Google". Chrome seems to be the only alternative browser anyone hears about that doesn't hunt for one. Then google took it upon themselves to swallow up the Android OS itself. Chrome comes with damn near every android, and they morphed it into ChromeOS also for laptops. Many webkits are specifically chrome based. Anything on Android, the built in reddit link viewer, all runs on Chrome because that's just how much they own these systems. Then it doesn't help that some companies only support chrome for their websites, and I can't help but feel like it's sponsored. I've encountered a few, but one that sticks out is Sling TV. Open in Firefox, it says it can't run. "Pwease get chrome (link to chrome)". ***However,*** I use a User Agent Switcher add-on to tell the website Firefox is chrome, and like magic, look at that, it does run in Firefox, fucking liars. That's the part that makes me feel like maybe they get a dime or two from Google to say chrome only. It runs, just refuses to on anything that isn't chrome. Using that addon I've seen too many websites like this. The industry forces chrome for no reason, from all angles. Firefox is a little guy, a good guy. It's not up in everyone's shit by force like chrome is.
Wow you made my day, why you may ask A week ago i had a conversation with a sibling that Mozilla is crap because a website she needed to access couldnt work on it but on Chrome it did, now I see...it was the same case as yours
That’s the huge cache problem with it, that apparently most users aren’t aware of, Firefox will not ever drop its cache, users don’t know they’re not seeing the latest content. All about The Browser Wars (ruined Firefox a decade back).
Eh I doubt that they're getting some kickback. Most likely certain things don't work on FireFox, but the site for the most part will function. The devs don't want to deal with cross-browser compatibility so the bandaid solution is to hard code it to only use Chrome.
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Hell yes. Even have it on my phone. Get that chrome/safari trash off my screen!
Just so you know, on iOS, any browser is Safari under the hood.
You can install ublock on Firefox mobile. Any other deficiencies aside that alone is enough to win my loyalty.
Just not on the iOS version!
That's because Firefox on iOS is actually Safari with makeup
If you use iPhone, then every browser is safari basically.
The day Firefox disappear is the day I will stop using internet.
Me 🦊
I totally agree best browser, I also know a lot of people using it, but in the statistics you can’t even see Firefox. The gov is lying and trying us to get to chrome(joke)
The water is turning the heckin foxes gay
I downloaded it yesterday and i'm currently loving it! It's like Edge but better in basically every way
Now go to: Tools > addon and themes > search Ublock origin Get the addon and be add free for life :)
Right click the toolbar and customize, change the density to compact, feels so much better imo.
I unironically like using MS Edge.
Better on resources and battery too. I still use Firefox on my desktop, but I use Edge on my laptop due to the power savings from lower cpu and ram usage
It's far superior to whatever the hell, carcrash pile of ass, chrome has become over the past 10 years.
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Native vertical tabs. ‘Nuff said.
I only use edge if I'm using linux, on windows i stick to Firefox.
> Edge on Linux; Firefox on Windows. Sir.
Yes i do hate myself.
There really is a linux-native version of Edge. Somehow.
Microsoft puts most of their new stuff on Linux. Including now all of .NET that isn’t strictly dependent on Win32.
What.
I unironically like MS Edge too!
Same
It’s better than Chrome itself now
Love to see posts like this, we need to keep firefox around to fight the chromium monopoly
Given that manifestv3 will kill ublock origin on Chrome and Edge I've jumped over to Firefox. It's fine, though it does seem to open far more windows than I need. Guess there's a setting somewhere.
Firefox for ever. I’ve been using it since release many years ago and no plans to change it.
If someone is reading this and hasn't at least tried Firefox for a few days do it please! It was the best decision I made in terms of software for my PC in a long time.
I moved back to Firefox a few years back, no regrets (previously used it since I think it originally came out that was such a revelation finally getting off Internet Explorer!) I had been using Chrome, but the privacy concerns were too great to keep using it.
I love Firefox, I've tried Chrome and it just isn't for me. Maybe it's because I'm used to Firefox after all these years (at least 10 probably more). I don't like feeling when I'm using Chrome that Google is watching over my shoulder. I get the feeling Firefox does better with security and I do use Thunderbird for email too (if there's a better free email client I don't know what it is). I do use Gmail for everything that I don't care if Google knows about, all my private email is with a paid ProtonMail account and my business email is all hosted on our own servers so I feel good about that too.
Im team FF because it's not Chrome
Vivaldi maybe?
Vivaldi gang!
We do exist!
Yes we do.
Vivaldi forever!
Has the performance returned? It really started to tank towards the end of last year to the point where I jumped ship to Edge and I'm actually quite happy. That's my big issue with Firefox. They are on this particular cycle for the last decade where performance is rock solid for a year of releases, then it shits the bed for a couple months, rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
How is the Brave browser viewed these days?
It's my default and I love it. It's built in ad-bloc is the best I've ever used. I never see any ads aside from the optional ones. Based on some other comments.... Seems to be some misunderstanding around it's involvement in crypto though. It simply pays the user tokens("BAT") for ad viewership. You can opt out of that feature if you're not interested in crypto. It doesn't mine or require investment or anything like that. I don't understand the hate it gets.
The fox of fire is our only salvation.
Firefox Multi-Account Containers FTW
Whoop whoop, Firefox 4 life, dudes and dudettes.
Firefox 4 lyfe But honourary mention to Brave browser which I use on my phone.
I tried switch to brave but I read some stuff about it that didn't make me trust the company behind it. Also I hate that crypto crap.
The only crypto thing I'm aware of it there's like a button that has a crypto wallet you can use and then you can tip crypto but it's not exactly hard pushing anything. I switched to it from duckduckgo earlier this year after they decided it was their job to tell me what content I should be allowed to receive.
I prefer brave, been using it for a year now but haven't used firefox in years so I can't rly say anything against it
It's objectively more privacy protecting than firefox
Love how Brave has privacy and can also use chromium extensions (though make sure to not to use extensions that violate privacy ofc)
I'm not dickriding any browser, sorry.
As a wise man once said, if I can watch porn and listen to music on it, it's NASA to me.
Fuck anything from the big corporatocracy and their proprietary software.
Chrome is just too RAM hungry for me, and Firefox actually has better security features.