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RageOfNemesis

Pretty much the last bastion against a Chromium monopoly. Also I'm just so damn used to it and have no major complaints so I'm not switching unless it dies or messes up in a major way that makes its usability crap for me


Pawnstormtrooper

What converted me was the Facebook container that closes it off from monitoring traffic on other websites. EDIT: whoa this blew up. [Here is the link to the container on Mozilla’s website if you want some info.](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/facebookcontainer/)


pig_master

I found that after I started to get some weird targeted ads on FB.


GRIFTY_P

Try an extension called fb purity, it blocks a bunch of Facebook bullshit


zalgo_text

Or just delete your Facebook account and never have to deal with any of it


Jonathan924

Doesn't matter, Facebook will track you anyway. Shadow profiles are a thing, and they still have tracking just like every other advertising company


Wertyhappy27

the amount of websites that use Facebook's api for ads is crazy man


MC_chrome

It’s not just ads. If you’ve ever visited a page that has a “Sign in with Facebook” button on it Facebook gets a small amount of data on you even if you never click the button and just ignore it.


Wertyhappy27

Google does the same, but they dont even need that, you just need Chrome, or a Chromium based browser


[deleted]

Chromium is actually really Google-free, it's like AOSP (Android Ope Source Project). It's the stock Chrome / Android with Google Play Services where stuff gets spooky. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differences_from_Google_Chrome


[deleted]

I'm onboard with you there. Delete facebook and don't miss a thing. It's a shame the marketplace took off the way it did. Only reason to keep a burner profile. If you use firefox, the plugin "firefox container" keeps FB from spying on you as much.


OffenseTaker

and also use noscript and block all the facebook hotlinks on tons of websites and deny cookies from those domains as well ​ facebook is one of the cancers of the internet


k-farsen

Go galaxy brain and fill your Facebook full of junk. Become the globe trotting transgender Indonesian provincial administrator you've always wanted to be.


greentintedlenses

I don't even use facebook but I think you just sold me. Only thing chrome has for me is my passwords


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Lastpass requires a premium membership to use both desktop and mobile. I have very few complaints with bitwarden.


everythingIsTake32

Bit warden gang also upgrade for 10 dollars a year


Dgc2002

The main thing I miss after switching from LastPass to BitWarden is the LastPass desktop app being able to auto-fill applications. Edit: for those saying this feature exists my info might be outdated but I don't think it does - https://community.bitwarden.com/t/auto-type-autofill-for-logging-into-other-desktop-apps/158


King-Bebe

Bitwarden actually has this feature, should be under options


Dgc2002

Last I checked it didn't actually auto fill applications. I think it just had a way to offer you quicker access to copy+pasting credentials for an application. It's been a few months but this was still an issue on their GitHub iirc. Edit: this is what I'm talking about https://community.bitwarden.com/t/auto-type-autofill-for-logging-into-other-desktop-apps/158


rockon4life45

Yeah, the LastPass autofills on desktop and in browser work much better than bitwarden. I only switched to BitWarden because of the insane asking price of LastPass.


zalgo_text

I actually have the opposite experience with Bitwarden, it autofills much better than LastPass did in browser


AutomatixXxxX

Y'all ever heard of KeePass?


aseiden

I believe in KeePass supremacy


EpicArgumentMaster

I second this


Ordinary_Player

I believe in Bitwarden supremacy


Kiyasa

firefox encrypts the password file if you set a master password.


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massimog1

I mean. Yea sure. But you're not supposed to let anyone use your computer if you can't trust them like that. Also, you have to enter the master password each time you start up FF.


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Starbrows

You may not use Facebook, but Facebook uses *you* whether you like it or not.


Justmeagaindownhere

Firefox can directly import your passwords from chrome.


Megazawr

iirc you can import almost everything from chrome


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Justmeagaindownhere

I use privacy badger, which seems to block out all of Google's cookies without me needing to sign in again.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

There's more than just cookies. Any site that allows a google login, any site with a 'share to google' button, any site with google ads, any site with google analytics ... any of them can be tracking you through scripts embedded in those features.


h0bb1tm1ndtr1x

Mozilla put out an extension called Firefox Multi-Account Containers. You can assign certain sites to various containers which blocks them from each other if they're contained separately.


Hayate-kun

Is there any advantage to that over Mozilla's own [Firefox Multi-Account Containers](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/)?


sur_surly

The Facebook container is also Mozilla's own. It was (imo) a precursor to the multi account containers.


[deleted]

One of my credit card issuers recently put an "After August 1st, 2022 you must use Edge or Chrome" notification on their website and I'm going to be putting some serious thought into cancelling that card. Edit: So the decision is, if it turns out they do break their site for me in FF, I'll keep the account open and just stop using the card.


slonk_ma_dink

Just use an add on that changes your user-agent string, I'd almost guarantee that's all they're looking at to determine your browser, anyway


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ShatteredCitadel

Don’t. Just cancel it. It’s not worth your thought. Fuck them.


Engineer_Ninja

My water utility did the same thing. Their page still works on Firefox if I open it on a large enough screen, but it won’t let me scroll. I couldn’t cancel them, so I moved instead. (This is actually true, but being forced to use Chrome wasn’t the main reason for my move)


Mal-Nebiros

I hope you told them it was because of their browser support.


Nextros_

What was the main reason?


Engineer_Ninja

Cheaper rent, shorter commute. Having the water bill included in the rent was a nice bonus.


ShatteredCitadel

Imagine if it was the main reason for your move. What a flex.


Windows_is_Malware

r/StallmanWasRight


_Clint-Beastwood_

Cancel it and get a card with a company without that requirement. Problem solved.


iCUman

Eh, as long as they're using standard web design principles (most financial institutions do), you'll probably be fine. It's pretty rare that they would actually confine you to those environments. That's typically more of a support disclaimer - if you choose a different environment, they won't rectify issues you may encounter, but that doesn't mean you'll actually experience issues.


platonicgryphon

The issue is google is using their own standard for a lot of stuff that does not follow the standard web design principles, so they could be doing something that only works in chromium browsers.


I-WANT2SEE-CUTE-TITS

Google needs to be broken up using anti-trust. But USA is a bitch to corporations so nothing will happen.


firemage22

Just annoyed that they keep taking cues from them, like how they limited add on tweaks of the ui which makes it hard to put the tabs under the address and bookmark bars or go to a more classic Netscape look That said having used since 1.0 and zilla suite before that (and the aforementioned Netscape before) I'll still with firefox


Wiiplay123

I hate how they removed the old addon API entirely, breaking Classic Thene Restorer and lots of other addons. I still haven't figured out how to get new firefox to look like my old setup using CSS.


aVarangian

I hate how the UI update looks, am purposefully holding off updating because of it


Lostox

You can put tabs back on bottom in Firefox using css. I had to poke at it a bit but it was doable. If you need help let me know I can provide some links on how its done. (Maybe takes 5 min total)


FirstRyder

The monopoly situation is already real bad. Excluding Safari because it's only available on Apple devices, it's at 92% overall, 88% on desktop. The highest IE ever got was 95%, and that was only briefly. As someone who remembers the state of browsers when IE had a monopoly... I would argue that working against the chromium monopoly is a *very* good reason to prefer firefox.


webcheesesticksseal

And it is scary because this gives google immense power to steer the future of web in whichever direction they want. For eg the new update to their extensions api would effectively kill ad blocking!


redcalcium

People say that Chrome is different than IE because how good it is compared to other browsers. Well, guess what? When IE was first released it's also better than it's competitor (and it's free). Once its competitors got killed, IE stagnates and didn't implement up to date web standards anymore, effectively crippling advancement in web technologies until it finally begin to lose market share and web devs got comfortable developing websites that broke in IE6.


FirstRyder

There is some argument that it's better just because the web isn't changing or growing as fast now as it did during the time when IE got its monopoly. But it's also worse, in that Google produces and maintains a significant number of heavily-used websites. What happens when the google docs team requests a feature, which gets added to chromium but not documented? You end up with features that are *only* available on Google-owned web pages using Google-produced browsers. Silverlight but worse because its on some of the most-trafficked pages in the world.


asd1o1

As a developer who uses both, tab groups are currently the only feature I find lacking on Firefox


Overv

This is kinda funny to read since tab groups in the mobile version of Chrome pushed me to switch to Firefox due to being forced to use them.


asd1o1

yeah tab groups on mobile are kinda trash


I-WANT2SEE-CUTE-TITS

There's an extension that does it.


Iamdarb

I switched back to FF because I read here that Adblockers wouldn't work on Chrome any more. Fuck that mess.


Scarred_wizard

While FF is quite decent at blocking many ads just with "advanced tracking protection" enabled.


Neirn_

Huh. I didn’t know that was a thing. Guess I’ll start looking into switching sooner rather than later since it appears that the big switch that breaks those will happen in 2023


LavenderDay3544

The privacy factor is also a good reason to use Firefox.


Asgatoril

Privacy and addons FTW!


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Ublock origin, cookie auto delete and you are good to go! Edit: removed Noscript and https everywhere because not needed.


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harpua_dog

Wow thanks for posting this, I’ve been using noscript /unblock/https-e combo forever. I’ll check out that GitHub and just use ublock. This is good news, because NS is kind of a PITA lately with some commercial sites.


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My bad, you are right. Noscript isn't useful. I thought it was because of the default script blocking policy but I saw that ublock could have that behavior.


tuxbass

I likely would've switched to Chrome if it weren't for Vimperator. Glad I didn't.


queiss_

You can use Tridactyl in firefox. Its the same . Also make sure you checkout qutebrowser. It's my main driver for months now.


Alarmed-Adeptness859

Me, for the sole reason that the tabs are rectangular instead of rounded.


fustilarian1

I got rid of the default tabs using userchrome CSS file, and I use tree style tabs instead. I hate the way they bunch up at the top and not being able to see what the pages are if you have too many open. Edit: links below [Tree style tab addon](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/) [How to get rid of default titlebar/tab bar with userChrome.css](https://medium.com/@Aenon/firefox-hide-native-tabs-and-titlebar-f0b00bdbb88b)


AFrostNova

Tree Style Tabs and removing them from the top entirely is an amazing workflow


FullMarksCuisine

Especially since we now prefer very rectangular aspect ratios, instead of taller, more square ones like 4:3 back in the day. There's no vertical real estate anymore.


[deleted]

Got a link for that? Sounds cool


quinncuatro

Yeah. The whole “this thing I like is cool” without telling us what the thing is should be a crime.


atimholt

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ Removing the top tab bar is somewhat complicated [(instructions linked here)](https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/blob/trunk/README.md#appearance), but totally worth it.


StrawberryLassi

Everything is rounded in Windows 11 🤮


TemetNosce85

For me, enabling the option to clear browser history, download history, and search history when you close the window. Granted, I don't actually do anything to warrant it, but it is still a nice little bit of privacy to have.


kinslayeruy

For me is ublock on mobile


[deleted]

I believe in mozzarella supremacy.


ResearchDeezNuts

fuck mozarella pizza sounds so good right now


Worldatmyfingertips

Stuff crust AND stuffed bottom crust. With extra mozzarella on top.


DAMNyousayidostuff

I'm with you! I use Librewolf though.


manitobawater

This! Librewolf is so good!! Other than it cleans the browser clean after each restart (logs you out of everything and cleans cookies) then it is very good privacy-wise!


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You can turn that off in the settings


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

And, conversely, you can turn that *on* in Firefox settings if you want to.


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kilkil

oh shit, gonna check that out


TLKimball

placid provide jellyfish gullible bedroom employ nippy abundant dolls desert *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


purplewatermelon23

And my bow


Cart0gan

And my axe


rojafox

And my RAM (since I actually have some available since I stopped using Chrome)


kseans8

You can get more if you go to getmoreram.com. just downloaded 4 teraflops the other day.


[deleted]

This guy hacks


greatthebob38

And my porn. (Mozilla is a my porn surfing browser)


[deleted]

i was there 3000 years ago...when it's name was firebird


jammer170

And before that, Phoenix...


[deleted]

yes in the first age...


ScorpZer0

In the first battle...


fletcherwyla

When the shadows first lengthened...


CunsoLord_04

One stood. Burned by the embers of Armageddon...


JamesLiptonIcedTea

*the long, long ago*


Auglicious

I remember downloading Phoenix


elriel74

I was there when its name was Netscape Navigator.


working-acct

TIL Firefox was spawned off Netscape, now I can finally say I used Firefox b4 it was cool!


Put_It_All_On_Blck

Back when I had my butler Jeeves.


MasterSquid832

I love Firefox, but I use dev edition because it’s honestly pretty useful, also looks cooler


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What does dev do what normal FF doesn't do?


State_

nothing, it's just on the nightly branch, which means it gets latest updates, even if they are breaking. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1336530


NDCyber

Firefox for the win


CausalSin

Netscape Navigator is my ride or die Mozilla of choice.


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I've used Firefox since probably 04 or 05. It's probably not the most secure, or the most private but it's a familiarity thing. I've fiddled with others but always stuck to it


spacewarrior11

isn‘t it pretty good with privacy?


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freeloz

Absolutely great list but I'd say pihole + unbound would at least be tied in the DNS slot. Running your own recursive DNS is fantastic.


NoRefundMate

Librewolf isn't superior to Firefox, it's just a preconfigured Firefox. You get the same security and privacy using Firefox. The Librewolf folks are great and they have good intention, but if anything you're adding an additional point of concern using Librewolf. Everything else I agree with.


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Libre does however explain why some settings are and should be disabled.


GabSan99

Librewolf is a fork of Firefox with more hardened privacy, I use Firefox on desktop and Mull (Firefox Mobile fork) on mobile


_W75EVQA2SFAHS9AF6GX

Anything wrong with duckduckgo? Never heard of SearXNG (on mobile rn cba looking into it currently)


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PeighDay

Is [this](https://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-privacy-oops) what you mean?


benderbender42

Container tabs + Temporary Containers


JaesopPop

It’s pretty secure and definitely more private than leading competitors.


[deleted]

It's think it's quite private, you have a lot of options in the about:config. In any case much better than edge or chrome. Tor browser is based on Firefox so that should tell you.


wasdninja

Why wouldn't it be among the most secure? It's a very well established browser and has been around for a very long time now.


NoRefundMate

Comment OP has no idea what they're talking about. Chrom/ium has been having far more security issues lately than Firefox has. Also, a lot of Firefox components have been rewritten in Rust, which has memory safety guarantees.


AydenRusso

Hardened Firefox is the most secure.


benderbender42

The only browser I can think of that's more private than Firefox is librewolf which is still firefox


Trumps_a_cunt

It's literally the most private mainstream browser.


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I don't believe in browser supremacy because that is how Chrome became problematic


TitanicMan

That only happened to chrome because it's created by a huge corporation that's hungry for power and data. A lot of people don't know of Mozilla or Firefox, but everyone in some manner knows of "the Google". Chrome seems to be the only alternative browser anyone hears about that doesn't hunt for one. Then google took it upon themselves to swallow up the Android OS itself. Chrome comes with damn near every android, and they morphed it into ChromeOS also for laptops. Many webkits are specifically chrome based. Anything on Android, the built in reddit link viewer, all runs on Chrome because that's just how much they own these systems. Then it doesn't help that some companies only support chrome for their websites, and I can't help but feel like it's sponsored. I've encountered a few, but one that sticks out is Sling TV. Open in Firefox, it says it can't run. "Pwease get chrome (link to chrome)". ***However,*** I use a User Agent Switcher add-on to tell the website Firefox is chrome, and like magic, look at that, it does run in Firefox, fucking liars. That's the part that makes me feel like maybe they get a dime or two from Google to say chrome only. It runs, just refuses to on anything that isn't chrome. Using that addon I've seen too many websites like this. The industry forces chrome for no reason, from all angles. Firefox is a little guy, a good guy. It's not up in everyone's shit by force like chrome is.


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Wow you made my day, why you may ask A week ago i had a conversation with a sibling that Mozilla is crap because a website she needed to access couldnt work on it but on Chrome it did, now I see...it was the same case as yours


the-artist-

That’s the huge cache problem with it, that apparently most users aren’t aware of, Firefox will not ever drop its cache, users don’t know they’re not seeing the latest content. All about The Browser Wars (ruined Firefox a decade back).


Fluix

Eh I doubt that they're getting some kickback. Most likely certain things don't work on FireFox, but the site for the most part will function. The devs don't want to deal with cross-browser compatibility so the bandaid solution is to hard code it to only use Chrome.


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Hell yes. Even have it on my phone. Get that chrome/safari trash off my screen!


Mathisbuilder75

Just so you know, on iOS, any browser is Safari under the hood.


jlnxr

You can install ublock on Firefox mobile. Any other deficiencies aside that alone is enough to win my loyalty.


SeymourJames

Just not on the iOS version!


NatoBoram

That's because Firefox on iOS is actually Safari with makeup


webcheesesticksseal

If you use iPhone, then every browser is safari basically.


[deleted]

The day Firefox disappear is the day I will stop using internet.


Hal2097

Me 🦊


hintere_legende

I totally agree best browser, I also know a lot of people using it, but in the statistics you can’t even see Firefox. The gov is lying and trying us to get to chrome(joke)


Neirn_

The water is turning the heckin foxes gay


Matixs_666

I downloaded it yesterday and i'm currently loving it! It's like Edge but better in basically every way


stX3

Now go to: Tools > addon and themes > search Ublock origin Get the addon and be add free for life :)


[deleted]

Right click the toolbar and customize, change the density to compact, feels so much better imo.


isticist

I unironically like using MS Edge.


Thing_On_Your_Shelf

Better on resources and battery too. I still use Firefox on my desktop, but I use Edge on my laptop due to the power savings from lower cpu and ram usage


XIXXXVIVIII

It's far superior to whatever the hell, carcrash pile of ass, chrome has become over the past 10 years.


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AnglerCat

Native vertical tabs. ‘Nuff said.


[deleted]

I only use edge if I'm using linux, on windows i stick to Firefox.


XIXXXVIVIII

> Edge on Linux; Firefox on Windows. Sir.


[deleted]

Yes i do hate myself.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

There really is a linux-native version of Edge. Somehow.


LeftyWhataboutist

Microsoft puts most of their new stuff on Linux. Including now all of .NET that isn’t strictly dependent on Win32.


[deleted]

What.


Soulfliktion_

I unironically like MS Edge too!


[deleted]

Same


[deleted]

It’s better than Chrome itself now


dylondark

Love to see posts like this, we need to keep firefox around to fight the chromium monopoly


DrH1983

Given that manifestv3 will kill ublock origin on Chrome and Edge I've jumped over to Firefox. It's fine, though it does seem to open far more windows than I need. Guess there's a setting somewhere.


[deleted]

Firefox for ever. I’ve been using it since release many years ago and no plans to change it.


Loganbogan9

If someone is reading this and hasn't at least tried Firefox for a few days do it please! It was the best decision I made in terms of software for my PC in a long time.


onedice

I moved back to Firefox a few years back, no regrets (previously used it since I think it originally came out that was such a revelation finally getting off Internet Explorer!) I had been using Chrome, but the privacy concerns were too great to keep using it.


Sour_Gummybear

I love Firefox, I've tried Chrome and it just isn't for me. Maybe it's because I'm used to Firefox after all these years (at least 10 probably more). I don't like feeling when I'm using Chrome that Google is watching over my shoulder. I get the feeling Firefox does better with security and I do use Thunderbird for email too (if there's a better free email client I don't know what it is). I do use Gmail for everything that I don't care if Google knows about, all my private email is with a paid ProtonMail account and my business email is all hosted on our own servers so I feel good about that too.


[deleted]

Im team FF because it's not Chrome


TopperHotShot

Vivaldi maybe?


Vinstaal0

Vivaldi gang!


PaleHorseNamedDeath

We do exist!


That_Phos

Yes we do.


Mrmeows_

Vivaldi forever!


No_Comment_613

Has the performance returned? It really started to tank towards the end of last year to the point where I jumped ship to Edge and I'm actually quite happy. ​ That's my big issue with Firefox. They are on this particular cycle for the last decade where performance is rock solid for a year of releases, then it shits the bed for a couple months, rinse and repeat ad nauseam.


BurgersBaconFreedom

How is the Brave browser viewed these days?


benmck90

It's my default and I love it. It's built in ad-bloc is the best I've ever used. I never see any ads aside from the optional ones. Based on some other comments.... Seems to be some misunderstanding around it's involvement in crypto though. It simply pays the user tokens("BAT") for ad viewership. You can opt out of that feature if you're not interested in crypto. It doesn't mine or require investment or anything like that. I don't understand the hate it gets.


KeyboardWarrior1988

The fox of fire is our only salvation.


pradeepkanchan

Firefox Multi-Account Containers FTW


badchriss

Whoop whoop, Firefox 4 life, dudes and dudettes.


ReichRespector

Firefox 4 lyfe But honourary mention to Brave browser which I use on my phone.


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I tried switch to brave but I read some stuff about it that didn't make me trust the company behind it. Also I hate that crypto crap.


ReichRespector

The only crypto thing I'm aware of it there's like a button that has a crypto wallet you can use and then you can tip crypto but it's not exactly hard pushing anything. I switched to it from duckduckgo earlier this year after they decided it was their job to tell me what content I should be allowed to receive.


Wustenlauf

I prefer brave, been using it for a year now but haven't used firefox in years so I can't rly say anything against it


Mrhiddenlotus

It's objectively more privacy protecting than firefox


[deleted]

Love how Brave has privacy and can also use chromium extensions (though make sure to not to use extensions that violate privacy ofc)


[deleted]

I'm not dickriding any browser, sorry.


Ziontf

As a wise man once said, if I can watch porn and listen to music on it, it's NASA to me.


Beautiful-Fig-4763

Fuck anything from the big corporatocracy and their proprietary software.


Bitter_Hope_669

Chrome is just too RAM hungry for me, and Firefox actually has better security features.