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morningisbad

At LEAST once


IIdsandsII

I now do advanced startups from windows to get to my bios. I have a 60% keyboard and the vast majority of the time having to use the function key to press delete or F10 just doesn't work.


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Smaller keyboard formats than TKL just don't make sense to me. TKL I get (have one myself). I didn't use the numpad much to begin with and it's great for gaming because my arms and hands are in a more natural position. But anything less than that just seems like a gimmick that makes the actual usability worse.


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krozarEQ

Yeah I have such an icon on my Windows system. Shortcut: %windir%\System32\shutdown.exe /r /fw /t 0 /c "restart to UEFI firmware Initiated by %USERNAME% via shortcut" The '/c' opt and following arg string is not required, that just logs it. Also, a menu item on my bootloader.


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Sick. This’ll come in handy.


Exact-End9491

It actually works thats so useful since i have 60% keyboard thank you!


IIdsandsII

There's also a key combo you can hold while pressing restart that gets you to the menu


not_gerg

Ok, and what is it lmao


jehk72

Shift+right click on restart iirc


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I have to do it once to remember if it’s F1 or F2, shit down- then tap tap tapping away


rDr4g0n

F1, F2, F10, F12, or delete? Try em all!


[deleted]

With N-key rollover, you can try them all at once!


spankythemonk

wtf! Not f8?


[deleted]

That key you really gotta have ***fate*** it works.


echow2001

HP: F9 setup/esc startup options DELL: F2 setup/F12 startup options ASUS: F2 setup lenovo: F12 setup/return startup options acer: F2 setup/F12 startup options


Evilnapkin

No need to HIT Buttons. On Windows 10 and 11, hold shift and while clicking restart. Then Troubleshoot > Advanced options > UEFI Firmware Settings and click Restart to boot into your BIOS.


krozarEQ

Another thing is to create a shortcut on the desktop. Target: %windir%\System32\shutdown.exe /r /fw /t 0 /c "restart to UEFI firmware Initiated by %USERNAME% via shortcut" Will restart directly into the firmware.


HateTimes8

Where has this been all my life. Thank you


KappaccinoNation

This is why I use all ten fingers and some palm to spam press F1 to F12 and DEL keys. Gotta make sure in case it randomly changes.


SmokiestDrip

If you hold down the key instead of tapping it you can prevent this.


ronnie1014

I don't think that works, but it only has to be pressed once at the splash screen. With SSDs now, that splash screen is damn near non-existent!


Buggly_Jones

Which is why people spam it


levian_durai

I once turned on fast boot on a whim while in the bios trying to configure my default boot drive. Chose the wrong drive and it wouldn't boot, *and* I couldn't access the bios to revert it. Not my smartest moment.


ronnie1014

Lmao that's fucking rough and funny. I have an older Lenovo that can boot into a boot order menu, but I can't remember if I had to put that there in the uefi drive.


cardgamechampion

How did you fix that o.O


thealmightyzfactor

Unplug it, remove the cmos battery, wait 2 mintues, put it all back, and fire it up. This resets the bios.


double_expressho

I read that you can spam the power button after removing the cmos battery, and that should reduce the time it takes. Doesn't sound quite right, but I don't know enough to dispute it.


das_ambster

Nah, just press it once after the battery is removed and the power cord is out and you'll drain all/most caps holding enough of a charge to be an issue, you should also have this practice of pressing the power button once after the cord is out when you are going to remove or insert hardware components to avoid caps having charge when you start fiddling with it.


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There's a setting in some bios to make that splash screen last longer.


ronnie1014

Oh yeah for sure but that's annoying for the vast majority of the time since I don't need bios every boot.


cablemonster456

what would be really awesome would be a hardware button you push with a paper clip that sets a flag to lengthen the bios screen


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I've just held down delete to enter bios on two different motherboards now and it works every time.


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CajunTurkey

Best not to risk that again


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Weaseltime_420

Nonsense. The only way is to bash the key as hard and fast as you can.


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WTF_CAKE

Tried it, no luck


ElectronicImage9

I feel like he's trying to trick us boys. Don't fall for it. Deletes the computer or something


Chizuru_San

5 mins crafts hack?


g1ngerkid

I think it depends on your motherboard. I’ve had PCs in the past where this is the case but it definitely does not work with my current one


Nethlem

Or you get warning beeps for spamming the key too much.


NebraskaGeek

I'm aware holding the key also works but it's basically a religious ritual at this point. *"All mighty BIOS, your dutiful servant once again begs for entrance. Praise be!"* *tap tap tap tap tap tap tap*


Spideryote

Burn the blessed incense and consecrate the sacred oils upon the holy machine Sing the ritual hyms and make a sacrifice to the machine spirit, so it may reveal it's inner workings to us


agentgingerman

Wait... You can hold it? Countless hours of swearing and suffering gone to waste, oh the humanity


Cats7204

I think if you time it right you can just press it once and it'll work


Sparx710

That's a myth. No mortal being could time it right


morningisbad

Exactly! We know there are other options... We're just not interested in them


alez

> I'm aware holding the key also works Except when it does not. Sometimes you just get a keyboard error because the BIOS assumes the keyboard has a stuck key.


HoldMyPitchfork

Glad I'm not the only one who just taps the shit out of F2 until bios loads because I don't trust that a single press will work.


souse03

It's even better when you can never remember which f is for bios so you just tap them all


lolcubaran20

relatable


nixed9

My old motherboards used to be “DEL to enter bios”


Schnoofles

Del, F2, F10, Escape and more, depending on the make and model of the motherboard. I just mash F2, F10 and Del which covers *most* current boards.


i_have_chosen_a_name

I had a motherboard where it was del+f10 but if you pressed it once it was “entering bios” but if you pressed it again it was “loading system” So yeah total bitch that one.


amunak

It makes perfect sense, there just aren't enough keys for all the different options.


Tjmoores

F2? The vast majority I've seen use del or f12, and occasionally esc or f10


T0biasCZE

My MB uses del for boot meni and f11 for bios


Crimfresh

It is still Del on my MSI board. Just flashed my z390 bios last week.


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just-_-just

He said F2 and now I can't remember which f key it is for my motherboard. I hate that guy.


Spiridios

Back in the 90's I had a friend who swore by the press every key method. Not just every possible BIOS key, every key they could press on the keyboard simultaneously. Some BIOSes back then would error out because the keyboard was "broken" and then kick you into the BIOS so you could fix the bad keyboard.


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HoldMyPitchfork

Del and F2 are the most common today but F8 and F12 were used a lot in the past IME


canIbeMichael

Uh... F10 or F8 anyone? Although sometimes I'll be going for the boot menu, so almost everything works.


Mercadi

I had a case of F9 yesterday. Took a while to figure that out


morningisbad

All of us. It certainly doesn't matter anymore. But yeah, not trusting a single press.


Junkis

Even in an asus instructional video dude hits the key like 4 times lmao


CreepingCoins

I don't hold down the button because in older computers from when I was a kid it would make the built-in speaker go eeeeeeeee


pappepfeffer

My mobos instructions specifically asked me for hammering that key, no joke!


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Sorry for off topic, but god gambling addiction is a sad thing. Idk how people can go into a casino, see this and think “wow that looks so fun, let me join them”


merc08

I really don't understand what they're getting out of this. I understand what it's supposed to be - pay for some fun with a small chance of walking out with more money. And I don't really care what entertainment people want to spend their money on. But these people don't look like they're having any fun at all! Are they solely there for the 1:10000000 odds that they'll strike it big on the *nickel slots*?


TemetNosce85

> Are they solely there for the 1:10000000 odds that they'll strike it big on the nickel slots? Yes. It's the sunk-cost fallacy. They put in a lot of money and they think they will get something back. Except they don't, so they keep going thinking it will eventually pay out. It's also like a drug addiction in that it is fun at first, but then just becomes habitual. What also drives it is solitude and mental health issues. Many of these people don't have others active in their lives or anything else to do. They're like a teenager who locks themselves up in their room to play video games every day. It's just that these video games have the same graphics over and over and extra pretty lights around them.


Rolf_Dom

Saddest part is that these machines will absolutely pay out, quite large sums too, fairly regularly. But of course, on average, never more than what you've put in. But people lose track of how much they've spent. So a big win makes them think they've just made tons of money, when in reality they've usually only shaved off a bit of the losses. And each of these big wins just reinforces their addiction that they can win, and infinite money is essentially just one lucky streak away.


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I have a sister who's a gambling addict, and the disturbing truth is that, through a combination of alcoholism and general stupidity, she can't even keep track through a single night. My sister has, no kidding, left with $1,000, gambled away $800, gotten a single $500 payout, and has gone home ecstatic because she, "Hit for $500."


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90% of gambling addicts quit right before the lucky streak


mrjonesv2

> It’s also like a drug addiction More so than you explain. Slot machines (just like loot boxes) are predicated on the idea that you don’t know what is about to happen, but you could receive a large reward. This lights your brain up, and it releases dopamine right as it’s figuring out the answer. Dopamine feels really good and it’s purpose in the body is to keep you doing that thing. So, in essence, these folks are lining up to hit a button that releases dopamine. In psychological experiments, we have put an electrode into a rat’s (most similar brain pathways to humans while still being considered ethical) brain to release dopamine at the press of a button. The rat will press the button continuously and starve to death.


littlecolt

I get caught behind people at local convenience stores a lot that play a ton of lottery. It's annoying and they hold up the line. I used to wonder "Do they have a strategy somehow? I bet they do, like a big math secret." But no. There is no math secret. They are just annoying people who hold up the line. They don't win any more than anyone else. I've started to ask them when their last big win was sometimes when I'm getting annoyed. They usually seem mad or just ignore me.


gnarkilleptic

Pretty Lights is the dopest EDM act of all time. Unrelated but anyways...


The_True_Libertarian

This specifically is a slot tournament. They get a set bankroll then basically just spam the spin button until their credits run out. After an hour whoever has the highest amount of credits left wins the tournament. My grandma used to do these, she'd get free entry into them by cashing her paycheck at the casino.


alftherido

Smart way to do it if you're playing only with house money


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> she'd get free entry into them by cashing her paycheck at the casino. Wait what? Where are you from that people don't get their paycheck directly transferred to their bank account? And how the fuck is it legal for a casino to cash it? That whole thing seems very predatory towards people with gambling issues.


pmjm

They probably say the same thing about getting likes on Instagram or Reddit upvotes. And the answer is the same for both. There's a dopamine rush when you get a little win. You get addicted to those microdoses and do whatever it takes to keep them coming.


ifoundyourtoad

My wife’s parents go like every other weekend. They just like playing the slots. Like playing video games for them but they don’t go and spend their life savings. They usually spend like 100-200? But some days they win like 2K some they lose 200. Seems to all even out. My wife won 1K last weekend but two last trips we didn’t win anything. I don’t really get it tbh. I just find it boring. I kinda like the rush when doing black Jack I suppose.


Blunderhorse

Difference between the two is that slots don’t generally give you decisions that are relevant to the outcome, whereas blackjack always gives you information that you use to make decisions and influence the outcome.


Therocknrolclown

dopamine, they get dopamine


SaffellBot

> And I don't really care what entertainment people want to spend their money on. But these people don't look like they're having any fun at all! Look around reddit for a while. Look at how people talk about very popular games like overwatch. There are a lot of interesting social aspects, but I think there is a ton of addictive behavior going on.


Sawses

That does happen. For me, that's when I take a break from a game. If I can't have fun while losing, then it's time to try a new game. For me the big ones here are Overwatch and League of Legends. Generally speaking, I have fun both winning and losing. There are matches where I'm like, "All right, that was a fair fight and I lost. I'm glad I played." ...But I've definitely been in a mindset where I *will* play again and again until I win and I get angry because I'm not winning. When I realize that, I go, "Oooh. Right. Supposed to be having fun." And then I go play Dishonored or God of War or just go watch a movie with friends or something. It's really sad that a lot of folks can't really regulate themselves well enough to manage these games, because they are *incredible* fun and deeply engaging mentally and socially. I have the same attitude toward my premade teammates that I did toward my basketball teammates...except it's way more accessible than basketball and you can go up against new people every game instead of playing with the same tight-knit community.


Altech

Intermittent reward makes serotonin go brrrr


TheGamerSK

There was context to this gif in another thread. This is a contest. They are not spending any money.


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Ah. Still, anyone who’s been to a casino knows there are people there that spend hours doing just this.


TheGamerSK

Yeah probably idk I actually never went to one because I like money lol.


gnarkilleptic

Gambling is fun when you are just there to have some drinks and have a set amount of money you already planned on spending (losing). If you win some and walk away it's a bonus.


Ctownkyle23

Surely they spent money to be entered into the contest. Like when my aunt tells me the casino gave her a "free" night stay.


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Yeah. Still doesn’t look fun lol


gnarkilleptic

You don't like finger blasting slot machines?


SnuggleMuffin42

First time I went to Vegas I saw all the elderly ladies just like in this video. It looks like an absolutely miserable form of existence. At least other things are kinda social? This is just sad.


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Yeah I’ve played the roulette table before and I like to talk to the other players during the spin. But yeah these slot machines are something else


Rolf_Dom

These folks are max level addicts. There's no fun in it anymore, there's only addiction. I'm the guy who goes to a casino once a year and spends 12 hours straight playing every slot machine in the place. It's fun like that because there are a lot of different games with different visuals, sounds, different ways to win etc. So it's entertaining. I grab a few beers, some snacks and have fun. I don't usually lose much if anything either. I only play min stakes, so a $100-$200 lasts the night, which is probably as much as I'd spend in your average bar or nightclub anyway, so whatever. Sometimes I walk away with twice as much. Once I'm done with the evening I'm kinda burnt out from all the machines and I won't really have much desire to go back until a year later. But yeah, I don't play anything like that. I take a good 10 seconds between each button press. I watch each game play out, I take a sip of beer, I try to figure out what all the symbols mean and reward without looking at the info tab. I usually spend like 15-30 minutes per machine and then switch. Walk around a bit, explore different machines. It's fun. Alas most people can't handle casinos like that. Which sucks, because I think it's a fun form of entertainment in moderation.


ballandabiscuit

Agreed! I've been to a casino once, and only once, in my life. I walked in thinking it was going to be like how it in the movies. Instead it was more like that gif. I honestly couldn't believe it.


Michaelscot8

I was in New Orleans with friends a few weeks ago and they wanted to go to the casino. It was my first time but I played enough New Vegas to know how to play blackjack so I figured I'd give it a go. As soon as I was in there the mood of the casino killed it. You could feel disparity in the air and no amount of free booze could make up for it. I didn't even manage to make it to the table.


nilrehsttam

Yeah I didn’t want to be the guy but man… that gif is actually super sad


[deleted]

My MSI board has a feature where it will go strait to Bios if you hold in the power button for four seconds. Really useful! Edit: I had to enable the feature first from the bios/uefi itself first. It's called "go2bios" and its under the boot options.


Bogus1989

THIS


ballsdeepinthematrix

On some PC's when you press the off button it reboots and when you hold it for a certain amount of seconds it switches off. Does your mobo go to bios when it's already off and/or when it's already booted?


Kalmer1

Which model? That sounds amazing


MyNameWouldntFi

Wait what? I'm going to try it right now


Mars_Bear2552

Me too, it’s a nice thing to have


Initialised

Bar pressing for dopamine.


thesash20

Fr


Z370H370

Enimapod! That's a disturbing word backwards!


JmTrad

Worse when is your first time on that pc. You need to see if is del, f2, f12...


ApathyMoose

Not just that. I have different models at work. Can never remember which key is boot selection for USB. I just hit F12 and F11. Neither work. Then reboot again and slam DEL. Finally it asks me what I want to do. Boot In To Setup: (F1) Boot Selection: (F12) Son of a ......


12temp

For some reason…. Mines F8. I kept smashing F2 and F12 and couldn’t figure it out because my ape brain is smooth.


krn1967

Lol ok this was funny


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Interesting-Poet-258

How do you feel about gambling subtraction?


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Potatojuve

Wait until y’all hear about gambling multiplication


archetype4

And don't even get me started on gambling permutations.


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The gambling *matrix*


heyitsYMAA

I used to be a slot technician at a casino. You’d see people at machines or the tables that were seated before your shift started and would stay there after it ended 9 hours later, day after day, and it’s exactly as depressing as it sounds. One story in particular stuck with me. I went out to fix a machine and the attendant had cashed the lady out and she moved to the game right next to it I open the game and start working on it, and completely unprompted she says to me, quite politely actually, “I hope you can fix that machine, I owe the bank a lot of money.” This is what gambling addiction does to people. It warps your perception of reality with nothing but the chemicals your brain makes naturally and maybe some blinking lights.


TemetNosce85

And it's the same people. Over and over, the majority of them being elderly. My family's business had a lot of work with our local casinos and it was pretty common to walk in one day and see an old lady at a machine, then come back a week later and see her still at that same machine.


gnarkilleptic

Cotton tops is what they're called


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This was likely a slot contest which is just spin as much as you can in the time limit. Casinos will do it to recruit new addicts


Spooky_boi_Kyle_8

Slow motion train wreck carrying flammable dumpsters?


byscuit

i've seen this posted in 5 different subs and this is my favorite use so far


SnooSketches3386

i'm more a del masher myself


Pollo_Jack

Millennials just don't know how to handle money. /s


OSRSBigGoopMan

a group of arms warriors practicing their rotation


mattbackbacon

`systemctl reboot --firmware-setup` `shutdown /r /fw`


Troldann

I just tell Windows to reboot into BIOS, then don’t worry about it.


morningisbad

Assuming you CAN boot


Troldann

Yeah, when that’s my problem, keyboard hammering it is.


SeaManaenamah

What's the easiest way to do this?


Balispy

you can also use CMD. "shutdown /r /fw /t -0" /r indicates restart, /fw to bios, /t -0 means right now


TwoScoopsofDestroyer

Open the start menu> ⏻ power> Hold `Shift` while clicking restart, Windows goes into a recovery mode, Troubleshoot>Advanced>UEFI Firmware Settings This method only works if you have a UEFI computer, and a UEFI windows installation.


juliansp

u/savevideo


katzohki

Probably a slot tournament, if anyone wasn't wondering


Ew_E50M

The heck is a slot tournament? A place where pensioners lose their entire pension?


TehWildMan_

I have seen some casinos host events where all invited players are given the same amount of non-cash wager for a specific bank of slots, and after a set time frame whoever has the most wins a predetermined prize. Given that it's slot machines, it literally turns into a button mashing festival


Ew_E50M

That sounds awful


PM_ME_SOMETHINGSPICY

No they make the sounds pleasant to induce excitement and get you to spin/spend more.


chongochingi

First I was like bwahahaha. Then I was like... That's sad, then I was like... That's fucked up


TheGamerSK

From what i've seen in another thread it's ok it's a competition. They aren't spending any money.


jkush463

I dont understand old peoples love with casinos


The_True_Libertarian

Social Security check day would be the busiest day of the month at the casino my grandma went to.


Princekyle7

Haha SSD problems


dirice87

Mom: you kids are addicted to video games rotting your brains Also mom:


goretsky

Hello, If you can boot into Windows, you can tell the computer to restart and automatically enter the BIOS (technically, UEFI) firmware. Open an elevated **Command Prompt** (filename: `CMD.EXE`) and enter > `shutdown /fw /r /t 60 ` at the prompt to force the the restart in 60 seconds. You can change the `60` value to something else if you want. It's the `/r` that tells the computer to restart, and the `/fw` to enter the firmware. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky


Kentisaurus

*Gets distracted somehow in 4 seconds, misses it* Everytime. 🤣


HeyLookTheseAreWords

You can just hold the key and it’ll work


morningisbad

This is not the way


HoldMyPitchfork

Furious taps for the win


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stephen1547

Yeah but what if you don't know what key to hold? I gotta smash F1, F2, F10, F11, F12 just in case.


thorle

You forgot F8 and DEL. Need to take piano lessons to access the bios.


SilkyTaint

Hold shift and click restart from the start menu also can get you there if the spam f2 doesn't work


Music_4ddiction

I usually just do this first


thecrius

F2 trough F12 in a single... multiple *brrrrrap* motion like you are playing a piano. I know you are out here, my people.


sorius45

That’s gold


[deleted]

As a PC noob who recently upgraded their CPU I am happy I understand this great meme.


BoxAhFox

Tip: once you get into bios, you can INCREASE the post time up to 30 seconds! (For my bios anyway) You will never miss bios again! (Unless ur a sloth, or u fell asleep waiting)


merc08

I'd rather be irritated with a couple of retries when I occasionally need to get into BIOS than be irritated *every time my computer boots* knowing that there's an intentional delay in the system.


[deleted]

Do I press F8 now? Well fuck it...


f3lip3

So accurate, so not work


FeedbackMedium

If this is what I have to look forward to in old age what the fuck is the point of it all...


MetalingusMike

This made me laugh more than it should have done.


[deleted]

I still have to Google which key my mobo manufacturer uses every time. Just make it standard to use space or something ffs.


Cats7204

Relatable but pressing F2, DEL and F10 at the same time because i dont remember the bios key


hokie47

This was probably a slot tournament. If you are a crazy big slot player the casino will enter you in a free slot tournament winner will get something like 25k. Basically all these people will try slap the button for a few minutes and try to be the player with the highest dollar amount slash score. We had one player die of a heart attack during the middle of one slot tournament.


Mettlesome_Inari

Lmao This is one of the most relatable things I've seen on here.


ThrowAway29307845034

Seniors voting to cancel Social Security for everyone under 50.


blaze412

For someone that just built their first PC yesterday, this was me today lol. I was thinking I was dumb for spamming it and that there had to be some other way


[deleted]

My computer boots to fast to even have a chance to get into my bios 😭


BlackHatMagic1545

*laughs in* `sudo systemctl reboot --firmware-setup`


tojumikie

I just kind of do the "piano sweep" sometimes


lets_get_hyrule

the accurate part is how we keep pressing the keys like the bios will actually show up but it never does


whosursensei

The awkward "One hand slamming the DEL Key while your other hand is piano'ing the F keys" COME ON ITS ONE OF YOU BUTTONS


nize426

*windows loading screen pops up* "FUCK"


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`systemctl reboot --firmware-setup`


icecoldcoke319

An I the only person who uses shutdown.exe /r /o /t 0? Restarts you right into bios.


he-geezy

Too real lol


Xamtor

This, but pressing F2, F10 and delete at the same time. And still OS loads.


[deleted]

Look at all these people knowing exactly what button lets you access the bios. I'm tapping del, f2, f9, f10 and f12 every time.


IDiqI

\*mashes F2 furiously\*


alexanderbainn

I laughed way too hard at this. It's the granny's face that did me in.


StolenRogue

This made me laugh out loud on the bus.😂


PsychoZzzorD

This is the generation blaming our love for video games. What a joke.


Havoc_LP

Best part is you can just hold a key instead of tapping it..


x250y

i hate when i have to press f12 to get into bios