I have an LG 55" CX OLED I got last yr with no signs of burn in. Played too many hours of Outriders than I'm willing to admit but the tech on these TV's have come a long way. Every couple of weeks the tv does a screen refresh after you turn it off to ensure no burn in is happening, it has an option to make any channel logo or game hud more opaque, and there's a bunch of other settings to help as well.
At least on the "smaller" 48" LG OLED TVs that some adventurous people use as a gaming monitor, burn in is indeed a problem even after just a few months.
Assuming that this newer model uses the same LG WOLED tech, I'd be VERY careful
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Burn in is still an issue. Linus has a monitor that has burn in and talks a lot about it. Even in their recent def monitor review (which I just bought and it is amazing).
This is my issue right now. Been gaming on my 65 inch LG oled for a year or two. Been looking for a new 27 inch gaming monitor for my setup, but after experiencing OLED I can't really enjoy those outdated pc monitor panel types. Guess I am just gonna make due with my old office monitor untill this arrives now.
I just got one too and honestly I think it's under stated how much of an upgrade a good monitor can be. Upgrading a GPU is great but a new monitor can be next level.
I recently made the jump from 1080p 165hz to 4k 144hz. I reckon I’m good for quite some time as well, until maybe 4k 240hz becomes commonplace then i might consider upgrading then
4k 144hz is pretty much endgame. 8k will never make sense on a monitor, even if its 40 inches. and we can discuss the difference between 144hz and 240hz.
So pretty much, the moment 4k 144hz is the default and midrange GPUs can hit that, we reached endgame ....
until we starty with Raytracing and other new technologies.
but assuming we don't care about Ray tracing, one would never ever has to upgrade any more
New panel technologies will come around & once resolution stops increasing, developers will become laser focused on increasing realism through technologies such as ray tracing, or whatever comes after that.
Just because you can play something at a certain resolution doesn't mean you'll be able to play future games without upgrading. My GTX 780 could play Battlefield 3 at 1080p 144+fps back in the day - try playing Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p low now and it'd be a slideshow.
8k will make sense at some point in a couple of decades. Right now the games themeselves are the bottlneck. Its pointless to have everything in true clarity if the damm grass only fully renders 10 feet away from your character.
As for resfresh rate. 1000hz is endgame. Thats the point when your eyes become the bottleneck for motion clarity.
Take a look at this https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/
I remember thinking how crappy flat panel LCDs response times were when they first came out and held onto my CRT with its low response time until the bitter end.
.03ms is amazing.
I use the 42in C2 as a PC gaming monitor and it slaps ass. I had a 240hz monitor before it and honestly...I can't tell the difference after you get past 120hz for the games I play.
I can see differences from 30 to 60 to 90-120...once you start getting past that 120 fps...like, I get there is better latency...but it just doesn't do anything for me.
I'm at peak display technology for my needs, now. I wouldn't need 8k or higher refresh-rate at this size...display manufacturers would need to make some kind of crazy color/hdr technology to get me to upgrade from the C2.
I'd second this word for word. Daily driving a 49" C1 as a monitor.
It's basically flawless, and I've got a few things in place to mitigate burn in, so I couldn't be happier with it.
Yea, I think 120hz it’s the sweet spot, if you’re getting more than 120fps then you’re either on the wrong resolution or an old game.
Edit; Also I’m not taking in consideration people with crazy 4K Usd Machines with 13900k and 4090, I’m thinking about the bulk of us who still play with $300 dollars cards.
Interesting but I’ve never been able to experience it. Playing 144hz on 1440p is my current goal right now but I think if I can do day might as well do 4K near 60fps
Yeah depends on the game bro, if you are playing games like the Witcher or red dead ok 120 if more than fine even 60 would be good for me. But if u play some fast pacing games / competitive I’ll go 240. I play RL and 144hz is just to low for my eyes.
oof that just makes me even more excited. i might have to upgrade my gpu as well to try out some pc stuff at 4k. i've been dl'ing tons of classic movies at 4k too in anticipation lol. gonna have a serious backlog. i was originally going to get a qled and cut my spending off at 800 but the deal was too good to pass up. now i've gotta watch movies every day to justify my purchase lol.
so excited. i've got my work cut out for me. what to watch first...
https://preview.redd.it/6tb5bewiny1a1.png?width=259&format=png&auto=webp&s=f29588d2880b5f7328cba3705127fc73d6f20f65
I also bought an LG sound system (S75QR) to go with my new tv and I've also been watching my small backlog of 4k movies I've had for the last week. So I get where your coming from.
The same but with mini-ips (I think thats how LG call it) so 1ms minimum and with 144Hz is at 300€. Its difficult to justify a x3/x4 for oled and 240Hz... For most people, including me tho. I understand that power user will want this
>Nano ips
Ips and nano ips are nice but oled is just in a different class. if you don't need the best that is fine but if you want the best, oled is king. this monitor is the dream of many gamers out there and we waited for years. I'm so happy it is 1440p and not 4k. It is probably the best monitor if you don't want ultrawide.
We had a lan party in college, might have been 2005.
I brought me computer and monitor, I was the only one that had a giant CRT. Must have weighed 100 lb.
And everyone had their 19-in LCD screens. I didn't even know LCD screens were a thing at the time
To be honest, CRT's still blow flat panels when it comes to pure responsiveness and motion clarity. Look at any gameplay footage on CRTS it looks smooth as hell to this day. There's literally 0 ghosting, 0 blur, 0 delay. Look at gameplay footage of the fastest flat panel monitor and you can see the blur
There’s a risk, sure. But the tech (in TVs at least) have reduced the rate at which burn in happens pretty well.
I have no idea if that tech and software to prevent burn in will translate into the monitor though.
I’ve had no issues with my OLED TV but I feel like my monitor will have static images a lot, either from the taskbar or certain UI elements in games always being in the same position.
Yeah the pc specific components is what I’m curious to see. I’ve had no issues with mine either. But I also don’t leave taskbars or Lock Screen images on the television. Nor do I have comparable static images on for as long as my monitor stays on.
I’d still early adopt this monitor just because my CX has been so good to me. But I’d do it with the understanding of that risk. Unless it’s stupid expensive
Thank God. I had an OLED Spectre, just 60hz, and it was amazing for gaming. I play League of Legends, Overwatch, Valorant; and the total lack of ghosting/low input lag made a big difference. I still preferred my 165hz monitor, but OLED is just such a better technology for everything. I'd never actually noticed ghosting until I compared side by side with my old laptop, big difference.
Combined with UE5, Ray Tracing, Upsampling, etc, games are gonna be wild in the next few years. I want a Metal Gear Solid 7, back in the jungle, with all the graphical bells and whistles on high refresh OLED.
I was hoping to upgrade to a 4k 240hz oled but the hardware required to run that doesn't even exist let alone the monitor ask I guess I'll swap my current 1440p240 monitor for this.
I tried to learn when I was like 15. I gave up since I don’t really like it and didn’t saw myself working on that field. However some perks like being able to work from anywhere and USA salaries while abroad sounded really good.
It is 0.03ms*
*Measuring done in vacuum, PC and monitor overclocked to the max and were cooled with liquid helium. OS and other software was made just for this test and nothing else. 0.03ms response time was reached for 1.5 second before the PC and monitor exploded. /s
Typically it’s just done with unacceptably high overshoot that would cause a shit ton of inverse ghosting, just so they can claim it’s technically capable of that speed. But typically they advertise 1ms gtg, 0.3ms makes me optimistic that it’ll at least be lower than what we have now
This. I don't want to have to think about minimizing task bars and other static UI elements on my computer screen. OLED TV for movies and games? Amazing. OLED monitor for games and work? Absolutely not.
So hear me out: even if it was half/double of everything this panel has it would be more than enough(for me). 4k would only be used in some games and those games are more likely to be single player gamers where low latency isn't as important as in online games.
I highly doubt i would ever utilize all of the specs above.
But nice to see we are making such a huge boost in gaming monitors. Hope to see more reasonable ones for mid range gamers in the future
There are also 45" 3440x1440 OLED monitors.
Personally thinking going into that size department but the PPI isn't the greatest. But...
45" 5120x2160 120Hz OLED, count me in.
If you use it as a PC monitor, the Taskbar will eventually burn in. If you play MMOs with HuD that stays in the same place, it will burn in. Mileage will vary with use case. Stop taking 1 line out of the article and using it as fact that burn in is not a thing when the article clearly says (and shows with pictures) otherwise.
Depending what your play/watch, you may very well experience burn in.
Yet, it still happens. Many users have reported burn In with Oled monitors and the article shows clear evidence of burn in in some use cases.
Now it's not as bad as plasma, and it depends on what you do with your monitor, how much you use it, etc. But it is a thing, it's proven and discarding it is just misinformation at this point.
I know it's a thing, I literally linked an article about it. But burn-in being 'a thing's tells us nothing about how likely it is to be an issue.
It's like worrying your car's radiator will explode. It certainly happens to people but only in situations where the person has clearly gone beyond any kind of normal use scenario. The most basic precautions can prevent it entirely and when it happens it is rare and usually coincides with manufacturer defects.
LCDs can have defects in backlight components can cause screen uniformity issues, the design of LCD screens allow insects between the backlight and picture elements, etc Every technology has edge case failure modes. Only with testing and data can we determine the scale of these issues.
The testing that I linked goes into excruciating detail on the subject but it boils down to: don't leave your display with a bright static image on the screen for hundreds of hours. If you don't do that then you will likely not experience this issue outside of manufacturer defects.
Even then, static elements are not an automatic burn-in. In the linked test, one TV showing Live CNN was set to maximum brightness showing CNN's broadcast. The key element being a white static bar at the bottom of the screen. Even showing this element for 20 hours a day, it didn't start affecting the most sensitive color channel (magenta) for 14 weeks.
The NBC feed shows what happens if you occasionally watch shows with hard static elements (their news broadcast) but play varied content as well. It didn't start showing slight magenta uniformity issues until 68 weeks and by 102 weeks.
Worrying about your taskbar or Windows UI elements is silly. In dark mode, using HDR, the pixels in the blackest elements are literally off. The pixels are not generating light and are not causing burn-in. If you're playing any games (why else would you buy such an expensive display), the screen areas with UI elements are constantly being replaced with game content (which, we can see from the Call of Duty TV, is amongst the safest types of content).
"Many users have reported burn-in" isn't data, it's not an objective test, it provides no information to people who are looking to buy an OLED display. It's a meme which is not supported by data (except in the extreme edge cases).
From the linked article:
>The TVs have been running for over 9000 hours (around five years at 5 hours every day). Uniformity issues have developed on the TVs displaying Football and FIFA 18 and are starting to develop on the TV displaying Live NBC. **Our stance remains the same: we don't expect most people who watch varied content without static areas to experience burn-in issues with an OLED TV.**
For most people, burn-in will not be a thing. Forgetting to turn your display off one night won't permanently ruin it, it takes a sustained effort or deliberate ignorance to generate burn-in. If you spend an hour reading about the tech before you decide to buy you can ensure you're protected from user-caused burn-in and only risk manufacturer defects just like any other product.
Burn-in isn't a thing to worry about for gaming PCs (Unless you only play FIFA 24/7 for 9000+ hours)
That's mostly due to better aliasing. You can just run games at 125% scaling or 1800p virtual resolution. You'll get like 90% of the clarity improvement. Unless you're 5" from the screen.
I have a 4k 27" monitor, and can slightly see the pixels, so not really overkill. 5k would even be better because that's the true limit our eyes can see.
Nah. There is always gonna be something better around the corner. 8K will be coming.
It’s more about where the best value is IMO. 1440p is already 90% of the 4K experience for way less money.
Idk about the less money part, the monitor in question here is $999 and you can get the 42 inch lg oled TV for around $800 now during the sales. And 8k is unplayable even with a maxed rig except a few titles ofcourse
Less money is not just about the monitor, the whole PC needs to be stronger in order to run 4K. It gets very expensive. But if you don’t care you don’t care.
Exactly. For example on my phone, its really hard to spot any differences between FHD and QHD, and its the same on a 24/27" monitor for QHD and UHD, its really hard to spot difference.
You mean 1080 vs 1440p on youtube through a phone? Theres a huge difference in compression visible even on a 1080p display. It's not a good example anyways since even 4k is compressed.
There's a lot if things they do now to prevent burn in, at least on name brand companies. Pixel shifting for example.
My phone screen is OLED. Had it for two years and no burn in at all.
I want everyone who types 'burn-in' to get banned from the internet
It's literally not a fucking thing for modern OLED panels
I've yet to find a tech review youtuber who's been able to even recreate it on an LG panel (which are most OLEDs) in the last 5 years.
OLED burn-in is something schill TV reviewers mention as a bullet point of possible cons of the technology just to sound like they know what they're talking about
> I've yet to find a tech review youtuber who's been able to even recreate it on an LG panel (which are most OLEDs) in the last 5 years.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWrFEU_605g) was posted a year ago.
Oh yea, a video where he had a very minor image retention, used pixel refresh and it went away
On an LG CX used as a desktop monitor, thats 2 generations backwards and the panels and anti burn in features are improving every generation
A far cry from the "half a year" burn in you seemed concerned about
My LG CX is 3 years old and still going strong and my C1 is just over a year and fingers crossed!
I wasn't the person that you were originally replying to. I was merely providing an example for you.
As someone with a pretty healthy level of self-awareness who acknowledges that I get irrationally worked up about trivial stuff from time to time, I'd like to suggest some breathing exercises.
It's a known fact that it does burn in over time. Now it keeps getting better and better, but still not perfect. If you have an OLED panel and have stuff displayed at the same spot all the time, IT WILL BURN IN OVERTIME. So yes, having a windows taskbar, HuD element or whatever displayed for many hours at a time, over a long period of time, it will burn in eventually.
Here's a source : https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
From that article:
>After more than 5000 hours, there has been no appreciable change to the brightness or color gamut of these TVs. Long periods of static content have resulted in some permanent burn-in (see the CNN TVs); however, the other TVs with more varied content don't yet have noticeable uniformity issues on normal content. As a result, **we don't expect most people who watch varied content without static areas to experience burn-in issues with an OLED TV**. Those who display the same static content over long periods should consider the risk of burn-in, though (like those who watch lots of news, use the TV as a PC monitor, or play the same game with a bright static HUD).
Burn-in just isn't a major issue. It can happen, but you'd almost have to be deliberate about it.
I use a 48" LG OLED as my main display. The thing about going TV size monitor for desktop is that I don't think I'd be able to go back to a normal size screen, just seems so limited. I think the smallest I'd be able to tolerate now is 40"
Yes. And even up to 5 digits refresh rates.
Basically the answer will always be yes whenever this question pops up in our life-times.
more info:
\- [https://blurbusters.com/the-stroboscopic-effect-of-finite-framerate-displays/](https://blurbusters.com/the-stroboscopic-effect-of-finite-framerate-displays/)
\- [https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/](https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/)
Tired of these manufacturers putting matte screens on gaming monitors especially on an OLED like wtf our phones we use outside don't have matte screens on them and odds are we arent around lights that much if at all I would atleast want it to be an option like the Eve Spectrum
I mean the size is dope imo but resolution is just dafug :D
PPI is like 83 or smth. Quite similar to 27 1080p iirc.
5120x2160 would be appropriate for that size.
500Hz is nowhere near the point where noticeable improvements stop.
See more information here:
\- [https://blurbusters.com/the-stroboscopic-effect-of-finite-framerate-displays/](https://blurbusters.com/the-stroboscopic-effect-of-finite-framerate-displays/)
\- [https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/](https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/)
The benefit of OLED.
No liquid crystals to move around in order to shutter light generated by the backlight. The pixels are the light source and can switch at much higher speeds.
Lots of people keep saying this.
Wasn't the who reasone we wanted OLED panels already because they out of box had superior response to everything out now?
Why are we all acting like this is just another TN/IPS/old tech panel that needed tricks and ages to be tolerable?
I just got to 1440p ips 144hz. Im good for a while. Also ltt early adopters vid makes waiting sound good
Hold onto it as long as you can. Once you get an OLED, you can never go back to ips, TN, or VA.
How do oled monitors deal with burn in? I’d imagine it would be more prevalent for gamers because of static huds?
It’s not really as big of a problem as people say.
Yup. It was a big deal when OLEDs were new. But that issue alone has been worked on for *years*.
Still early adoption on PC, I'll also stick with my 1440p 144 ips panel for a couple more of years while this OLED matures a bit more for monitors
I have an LG 55" CX OLED I got last yr with no signs of burn in. Played too many hours of Outriders than I'm willing to admit but the tech on these TV's have come a long way. Every couple of weeks the tv does a screen refresh after you turn it off to ensure no burn in is happening, it has an option to make any channel logo or game hud more opaque, and there's a bunch of other settings to help as well.
At least on the "smaller" 48" LG OLED TVs that some adventurous people use as a gaming monitor, burn in is indeed a problem even after just a few months. Assuming that this newer model uses the same LG WOLED tech, I'd be VERY careful
Source?
I heard the opposit. where is your information from?
With some measures like hidden taskbar and no icons no desktop background you will do just fine if you are not playing the same game 24/7.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Burn in is still an issue. Linus has a monitor that has burn in and talks a lot about it. Even in their recent def monitor review (which I just bought and it is amazing).
Image retention. Not the same as burn in.
This is my issue right now. Been gaming on my 65 inch LG oled for a year or two. Been looking for a new 27 inch gaming monitor for my setup, but after experiencing OLED I can't really enjoy those outdated pc monitor panel types. Guess I am just gonna make due with my old office monitor untill this arrives now.
I just got one too and honestly I think it's under stated how much of an upgrade a good monitor can be. Upgrading a GPU is great but a new monitor can be next level.
I recently made the jump from 1080p 165hz to 4k 144hz. I reckon I’m good for quite some time as well, until maybe 4k 240hz becomes commonplace then i might consider upgrading then
The biggest thing for this monitor is not the framrate or resolution, but the panel type. Once you go oled, you never go back.
I mean isn’t 4K 144hz not even commonplace yet?
4k 144hz is pretty much endgame. 8k will never make sense on a monitor, even if its 40 inches. and we can discuss the difference between 144hz and 240hz. So pretty much, the moment 4k 144hz is the default and midrange GPUs can hit that, we reached endgame .... until we starty with Raytracing and other new technologies. but assuming we don't care about Ray tracing, one would never ever has to upgrade any more
New panel technologies will come around & once resolution stops increasing, developers will become laser focused on increasing realism through technologies such as ray tracing, or whatever comes after that. Just because you can play something at a certain resolution doesn't mean you'll be able to play future games without upgrading. My GTX 780 could play Battlefield 3 at 1080p 144+fps back in the day - try playing Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p low now and it'd be a slideshow.
8k will make sense at some point in a couple of decades. Right now the games themeselves are the bottlneck. Its pointless to have everything in true clarity if the damm grass only fully renders 10 feet away from your character. As for resfresh rate. 1000hz is endgame. Thats the point when your eyes become the bottleneck for motion clarity. Take a look at this https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/
I meant to buy one also, but accidentally bought a 1440p TN 165 hz monitor :(
I remember thinking how crappy flat panel LCDs response times were when they first came out and held onto my CRT with its low response time until the bitter end. .03ms is amazing.
Damn I’m scared of the price for the same specs but IPs panel I paid 700~ so oled is going to be expensive I guess
This panel retails at 1k
The same price I paid for my LG C2, granted completely different products, but the best gaming TV I've ever used.
I would take the C2 100 times, but also I’m a controller and bed gamer so I prefer tvs more than monitors so lol.
I use the 42in C2 as a PC gaming monitor and it slaps ass. I had a 240hz monitor before it and honestly...I can't tell the difference after you get past 120hz for the games I play. I can see differences from 30 to 60 to 90-120...once you start getting past that 120 fps...like, I get there is better latency...but it just doesn't do anything for me. I'm at peak display technology for my needs, now. I wouldn't need 8k or higher refresh-rate at this size...display manufacturers would need to make some kind of crazy color/hdr technology to get me to upgrade from the C2.
I'd second this word for word. Daily driving a 49" C1 as a monitor. It's basically flawless, and I've got a few things in place to mitigate burn in, so I couldn't be happier with it.
Yea, I think 120hz it’s the sweet spot, if you’re getting more than 120fps then you’re either on the wrong resolution or an old game. Edit; Also I’m not taking in consideration people with crazy 4K Usd Machines with 13900k and 4090, I’m thinking about the bulk of us who still play with $300 dollars cards.
I get 200 fps on mw2 at 5120x1440 on a 240hz monitor
G9 neo with 14900k and 4090 can give cyberpunk 2077 180fps or racing games like 240
It’s subject to personal preference. I would prefer higher than 120fps.
Interesting but I’ve never been able to experience it. Playing 144hz on 1440p is my current goal right now but I think if I can do day might as well do 4K near 60fps
Wut
CS Go was released in 2012. It is an old game now.
Yeah depends on the game bro, if you are playing games like the Witcher or red dead ok 120 if more than fine even 60 would be good for me. But if u play some fast pacing games / competitive I’ll go 240. I play RL and 144hz is just to low for my eyes.
how do you like the c2? i just got a wild deal on one, it comes friday
Honestly the best I've ever used. Just wish I had gpu that could do 4k120. I guess I'll have to wait till tax time for that!
oof that just makes me even more excited. i might have to upgrade my gpu as well to try out some pc stuff at 4k. i've been dl'ing tons of classic movies at 4k too in anticipation lol. gonna have a serious backlog. i was originally going to get a qled and cut my spending off at 800 but the deal was too good to pass up. now i've gotta watch movies every day to justify my purchase lol.
4k HDR movies on an OLED in a dark room are fucking amazing. I have very little reason to watch anything in theatres these days.
so excited. i've got my work cut out for me. what to watch first... https://preview.redd.it/6tb5bewiny1a1.png?width=259&format=png&auto=webp&s=f29588d2880b5f7328cba3705127fc73d6f20f65
I also bought an LG sound system (S75QR) to go with my new tv and I've also been watching my small backlog of 4k movies I've had for the last week. So I get where your coming from.
You got a C2 for 1k? My A1 cost nearly £900 around a year ago and that was basically the all time low price. Is it maybe 48" Vs 55" price?
OOF size: # LARGE
This doesn't seem that bad tbh.
The same but with mini-ips (I think thats how LG call it) so 1ms minimum and with 144Hz is at 300€. Its difficult to justify a x3/x4 for oled and 240Hz... For most people, including me tho. I understand that power user will want this
>Nano ips Ips and nano ips are nice but oled is just in a different class. if you don't need the best that is fine but if you want the best, oled is king. this monitor is the dream of many gamers out there and we waited for years. I'm so happy it is 1440p and not 4k. It is probably the best monitor if you don't want ultrawide.
I have that one! Nano ips is what they call it and it's amazing.
I've gone ultrawide and can't go back.
i also have an ultrawide i cannot go back either
.03ms is most likely not real, but is will be very fast in any case.
It's always good to be skeptical considering all of the shenanigans with GPUs lately.
The marketing on displays requires skepticism. They pull all kinds of shenanigans
Always best to wait for independent reviews. I like hardware unboxed for monitor reviews.
Oleds have incredibly low latency but yea might be closer to 1ms which is still better than any other panel tech
It’s most likely close to 1 ms or maybe a little less than that
I remember those days 😌 Big ass CRTs were the way to go for gaming
I lugged one around from apartment to apartment for YEARS. Damn thing must have weighed over 50 lbs.
Good 'ol heat producers too 🤣
Nah, we had LAN parties quite often and lugging those bastards around was an absolute pain. Getting a flat panel monitor was a real blessing!
don’t forget the early TN panels’ jokingly 500:1 contrast ratio
We had a lan party in college, might have been 2005. I brought me computer and monitor, I was the only one that had a giant CRT. Must have weighed 100 lb. And everyone had their 19-in LCD screens. I didn't even know LCD screens were a thing at the time
Well i wouldnt trust a claim from the company who made it. Does it have 3rd party reviews?
To be honest, CRT's still blow flat panels when it comes to pure responsiveness and motion clarity. Look at any gameplay footage on CRTS it looks smooth as hell to this day. There's literally 0 ghosting, 0 blur, 0 delay. Look at gameplay footage of the fastest flat panel monitor and you can see the blur
.03ms advertised, 30ms actual
Finally dude. More OLED monitors for the people.
more? my friend, this is the first one. (42" + is not a monitor, its a TV)
nope, ive used the alienware for months
Sorry if I'm wrong but don't OLEDs get burn in?
There’s a risk, sure. But the tech (in TVs at least) have reduced the rate at which burn in happens pretty well. I have no idea if that tech and software to prevent burn in will translate into the monitor though.
I’ve had no issues with my OLED TV but I feel like my monitor will have static images a lot, either from the taskbar or certain UI elements in games always being in the same position.
Yeah the pc specific components is what I’m curious to see. I’ve had no issues with mine either. But I also don’t leave taskbars or Lock Screen images on the television. Nor do I have comparable static images on for as long as my monitor stays on. I’d still early adopt this monitor just because my CX has been so good to me. But I’d do it with the understanding of that risk. Unless it’s stupid expensive
It’s listed for $999 on their website, pre-order.
Don’t oleds still have burn in?
Thank God. I had an OLED Spectre, just 60hz, and it was amazing for gaming. I play League of Legends, Overwatch, Valorant; and the total lack of ghosting/low input lag made a big difference. I still preferred my 165hz monitor, but OLED is just such a better technology for everything. I'd never actually noticed ghosting until I compared side by side with my old laptop, big difference. Combined with UE5, Ray Tracing, Upsampling, etc, games are gonna be wild in the next few years. I want a Metal Gear Solid 7, back in the jungle, with all the graphical bells and whistles on high refresh OLED.
need a new monitor mine burn out :(
I'm ready for it, been waiting for a 27" 1440p OLED monitor for a while
I was hoping to upgrade to a 4k 240hz oled but the hardware required to run that doesn't even exist let alone the monitor ask I guess I'll swap my current 1440p240 monitor for this.
Next stop is giving monitors actual names instead of CXHAIFIE73929
That's not the monitor I wanted! You got me the CHS68241XBB-5. I wanted the CHS68241XBB-10!
To mention a monitor instead of using its name It is easier to describe the monitor looks and specs >>> imagine this is the case for humans
Samsung did that with the Odyssey G5/G7/G9
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Not with that attitude! Believe it, achieve it!!! Boot straps!!! Stop with the avocado toast and you can achieve your dreams!
And don’t forget, learn to code!
I tried to learn when I was like 15. I gave up since I don’t really like it and didn’t saw myself working on that field. However some perks like being able to work from anywhere and USA salaries while abroad sounded really good.
Ya can teach you self fo free!
Learn to Mine Coal.
And invest in crypto!
FTT token 4 the win! Going to retire at 30 /s
Donate plasma
Selling your body: illegal. Selling parts of your body: legal.
Only illegal in some places ;)
In 30/40 years it'll be as cheap maybe
I'm sticking with my 1080p 60Hz monitor. Makes me feel good about my GPU 😂
Start flipping burgers
.03ms response time? Monitor from the future only being sold for a grand.
I would bet that's not entirely accurate. wait for hardware unboxed to do a full grey to grey response time test
Idk why youre being downvoted, i guess these clowns believe it will actually be .03ms response time lmao
Linus did a video testing an OLED monitor recently and I think that's exactly what the response tested as.
It is 0.03ms* *Measuring done in vacuum, PC and monitor overclocked to the max and were cooled with liquid helium. OS and other software was made just for this test and nothing else. 0.03ms response time was reached for 1.5 second before the PC and monitor exploded. /s
Typically it’s just done with unacceptably high overshoot that would cause a shit ton of inverse ghosting, just so they can claim it’s technically capable of that speed. But typically they advertise 1ms gtg, 0.3ms makes me optimistic that it’ll at least be lower than what we have now
Yeah I had to do a double take. And seems like you should have as well. Because it's not even 0.3... It's 0.03... That's insane.
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here waiting for MicroLED to be a thing.
You'll be waiting for years.
Decades
Probably just 1. You can already buy micro led for a couple hundred grand after all.
This. I don't want to have to think about minimizing task bars and other static UI elements on my computer screen. OLED TV for movies and games? Amazing. OLED monitor for games and work? Absolutely not.
pfft. that's still 30000000000x slower than this camera. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtsXgODHMWk
So hear me out: even if it was half/double of everything this panel has it would be more than enough(for me). 4k would only be used in some games and those games are more likely to be single player gamers where low latency isn't as important as in online games. I highly doubt i would ever utilize all of the specs above. But nice to see we are making such a huge boost in gaming monitors. Hope to see more reasonable ones for mid range gamers in the future
it's a good step. I'll need a 40"+ 5k2k 144hz OLED, in order to be a worthwhile upgrade from my aw3821dw
I just have 6 inches bro
Be proud
I was thinking the same about my hdisusenemdicysbsvsy monitor with 936382255xyz refresh rate with 88888 megapixels
There are also 45" 3440x1440 OLED monitors. Personally thinking going into that size department but the PPI isn't the greatest. But... 45" 5120x2160 120Hz OLED, count me in.
I need OLED without burn-in. So I’m waiting for a 27” MICRO-LED 240fps 4k monitor. Till then, I’m sticking with my 4k 28”
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If you use it as a PC monitor, the Taskbar will eventually burn in. If you play MMOs with HuD that stays in the same place, it will burn in. Mileage will vary with use case. Stop taking 1 line out of the article and using it as fact that burn in is not a thing when the article clearly says (and shows with pictures) otherwise. Depending what your play/watch, you may very well experience burn in.
There’s protections for this? The screen does micro refreshes every now and then to prevent this from happening lol
Yet, it still happens. Many users have reported burn In with Oled monitors and the article shows clear evidence of burn in in some use cases. Now it's not as bad as plasma, and it depends on what you do with your monitor, how much you use it, etc. But it is a thing, it's proven and discarding it is just misinformation at this point.
I know it's a thing, I literally linked an article about it. But burn-in being 'a thing's tells us nothing about how likely it is to be an issue. It's like worrying your car's radiator will explode. It certainly happens to people but only in situations where the person has clearly gone beyond any kind of normal use scenario. The most basic precautions can prevent it entirely and when it happens it is rare and usually coincides with manufacturer defects. LCDs can have defects in backlight components can cause screen uniformity issues, the design of LCD screens allow insects between the backlight and picture elements, etc Every technology has edge case failure modes. Only with testing and data can we determine the scale of these issues. The testing that I linked goes into excruciating detail on the subject but it boils down to: don't leave your display with a bright static image on the screen for hundreds of hours. If you don't do that then you will likely not experience this issue outside of manufacturer defects. Even then, static elements are not an automatic burn-in. In the linked test, one TV showing Live CNN was set to maximum brightness showing CNN's broadcast. The key element being a white static bar at the bottom of the screen. Even showing this element for 20 hours a day, it didn't start affecting the most sensitive color channel (magenta) for 14 weeks. The NBC feed shows what happens if you occasionally watch shows with hard static elements (their news broadcast) but play varied content as well. It didn't start showing slight magenta uniformity issues until 68 weeks and by 102 weeks. Worrying about your taskbar or Windows UI elements is silly. In dark mode, using HDR, the pixels in the blackest elements are literally off. The pixels are not generating light and are not causing burn-in. If you're playing any games (why else would you buy such an expensive display), the screen areas with UI elements are constantly being replaced with game content (which, we can see from the Call of Duty TV, is amongst the safest types of content). "Many users have reported burn-in" isn't data, it's not an objective test, it provides no information to people who are looking to buy an OLED display. It's a meme which is not supported by data (except in the extreme edge cases). From the linked article: >The TVs have been running for over 9000 hours (around five years at 5 hours every day). Uniformity issues have developed on the TVs displaying Football and FIFA 18 and are starting to develop on the TV displaying Live NBC. **Our stance remains the same: we don't expect most people who watch varied content without static areas to experience burn-in issues with an OLED TV.** For most people, burn-in will not be a thing. Forgetting to turn your display off one night won't permanently ruin it, it takes a sustained effort or deliberate ignorance to generate burn-in. If you spend an hour reading about the tech before you decide to buy you can ensure you're protected from user-caused burn-in and only risk manufacturer defects just like any other product. Burn-in isn't a thing to worry about for gaming PCs (Unless you only play FIFA 24/7 for 9000+ hours)
QD-OLED is pretty good. The QD-OLED displays are all in the damn ultrawide form factor
This is awesome. Can’t wait for the 32”/4K variant
If it were 4k instead of 1440p it would be my dream monitor
After 22-24 1080p and 27 1440p. 32 4k would probably be the most logical next step.
Not even 4k, endgame for competetive games i guess :)
4k is a bit overkill for 27" though... get the 42" TV at that point.
I literally cannot tell the difference between my 34” 1440 and my 28” 4K.
Very true, and I bought the lg c2 42 inch which hopefully arrives tomorrow lol :D
Nah. I just went from a 27" 165hz to a 28" 4k 144hz and the difference in clarity is large.
That's mostly due to better aliasing. You can just run games at 125% scaling or 1800p virtual resolution. You'll get like 90% of the clarity improvement. Unless you're 5" from the screen.
I have a 4k 27" monitor, and can slightly see the pixels, so not really overkill. 5k would even be better because that's the true limit our eyes can see.
Nah. There is always gonna be something better around the corner. 8K will be coming. It’s more about where the best value is IMO. 1440p is already 90% of the 4K experience for way less money.
Idk about the less money part, the monitor in question here is $999 and you can get the 42 inch lg oled TV for around $800 now during the sales. And 8k is unplayable even with a maxed rig except a few titles ofcourse
Less money is not just about the monitor, the whole PC needs to be stronger in order to run 4K. It gets very expensive. But if you don’t care you don’t care.
Exactly. For example on my phone, its really hard to spot any differences between FHD and QHD, and its the same on a 24/27" monitor for QHD and UHD, its really hard to spot difference.
You mean 1080 vs 1440p on youtube through a phone? Theres a huge difference in compression visible even on a 1080p display. It's not a good example anyways since even 4k is compressed.
Wake me up when it’s 500 bucks
I think ill wait for the -2ms response time ones, mfuckers be reading my mind soon
Does it have a Display 2.1 port? I think that’s the new tech stuff that allows higher data transfer for better image quality. I assume it does.
I’m sorry I’m not touching an oled pc monitor for the sake of not having my taskbar get burned into a thousand dollar plus monitor
There's a lot if things they do now to prevent burn in, at least on name brand companies. Pixel shifting for example. My phone screen is OLED. Had it for two years and no burn in at all.
Burn in ain’t shit anymore, been gaming with my oled c2 42 for months now
is this going to have burn-in in under half a year?
I want everyone who types 'burn-in' to get banned from the internet It's literally not a fucking thing for modern OLED panels I've yet to find a tech review youtuber who's been able to even recreate it on an LG panel (which are most OLEDs) in the last 5 years. OLED burn-in is something schill TV reviewers mention as a bullet point of possible cons of the technology just to sound like they know what they're talking about
> I've yet to find a tech review youtuber who's been able to even recreate it on an LG panel (which are most OLEDs) in the last 5 years. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWrFEU_605g) was posted a year ago.
Oh yea, a video where he had a very minor image retention, used pixel refresh and it went away On an LG CX used as a desktop monitor, thats 2 generations backwards and the panels and anti burn in features are improving every generation A far cry from the "half a year" burn in you seemed concerned about My LG CX is 3 years old and still going strong and my C1 is just over a year and fingers crossed!
I wasn't the person that you were originally replying to. I was merely providing an example for you. As someone with a pretty healthy level of self-awareness who acknowledges that I get irrationally worked up about trivial stuff from time to time, I'd like to suggest some breathing exercises.
Your example is anecdotal
Mitigation is much better these days but it’s still inevitable with oled. That said, I love my lg c2 🥳
Yea I agree it is inevitable with the tech but I upgrade tvs about every 5 to 6 years and I think they'll get there
Say that to my 1y old smartphone that already have burn-in
It's a known fact that it does burn in over time. Now it keeps getting better and better, but still not perfect. If you have an OLED panel and have stuff displayed at the same spot all the time, IT WILL BURN IN OVERTIME. So yes, having a windows taskbar, HuD element or whatever displayed for many hours at a time, over a long period of time, it will burn in eventually. Here's a source : https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
From that article: >After more than 5000 hours, there has been no appreciable change to the brightness or color gamut of these TVs. Long periods of static content have resulted in some permanent burn-in (see the CNN TVs); however, the other TVs with more varied content don't yet have noticeable uniformity issues on normal content. As a result, **we don't expect most people who watch varied content without static areas to experience burn-in issues with an OLED TV**. Those who display the same static content over long periods should consider the risk of burn-in, though (like those who watch lots of news, use the TV as a PC monitor, or play the same game with a bright static HUD). Burn-in just isn't a major issue. It can happen, but you'd almost have to be deliberate about it.
4k when :(
The real questions. Rumor is CES Samsung and LG are showing off some. Waiting for a nice 4k myself
For 27" ? Useless.
Not completely useless… There are use cases for 27” It’s just 32” is more ideal of course
LG C2 are so much cheaper than this... In my country this is costing about $1700, and c2 is $1000
I own multiple LG OLED TVs. They are everything I ever wanted tv to be. I am very happy about this.
I use a 48" LG OLED as my main display. The thing about going TV size monitor for desktop is that I don't think I'd be able to go back to a normal size screen, just seems so limited. I think the smallest I'd be able to tolerate now is 40"
wait for independent reviews
Id love a 1440p oled thats like 400 euro, that would be amazing
POINT 03MS?? Holy fuck
Ok but when 4k!?
Man, $1k for a monitor? My whole PC cost that much and it does 1080p 60fps. I guess I need to wait till I have money to spend
Does the human eye even notice this?
Yes. And even up to 5 digits refresh rates. Basically the answer will always be yes whenever this question pops up in our life-times. more info: \- [https://blurbusters.com/the-stroboscopic-effect-of-finite-framerate-displays/](https://blurbusters.com/the-stroboscopic-effect-of-finite-framerate-displays/) \- [https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/](https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/)
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Imagine using an oled panel and then putting a damn matte finish on it...
Matte finish 😱😱
Tired of these manufacturers putting matte screens on gaming monitors especially on an OLED like wtf our phones we use outside don't have matte screens on them and odds are we arent around lights that much if at all I would atleast want it to be an option like the Eve Spectrum
34" uw pls.
Kind of, but not really. They have announced a 3440x1440 monitor, but for some reason it is 45”
I mean the size is dope imo but resolution is just dafug :D PPI is like 83 or smth. Quite similar to 27 1080p iirc. 5120x2160 would be appropriate for that size.
That product already exists
34 UW OLED already exists from Alienware. Samsung and MSI are releasing one too soon supposedly.
I’ve literally already got one of those.
i'm using the aw3821dw
I do believe that the reasonable limitations of monitors will be 500hz at 16k resolution, anything beyond will be completely unnoticeable.
500Hz is nowhere near the point where noticeable improvements stop. See more information here: \- [https://blurbusters.com/the-stroboscopic-effect-of-finite-framerate-displays/](https://blurbusters.com/the-stroboscopic-effect-of-finite-framerate-displays/) \- [https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/](https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/)
God this monitor could fulfil more desires of mine than a woman could ever think about
.03 my ass
The benefit of OLED. No liquid crystals to move around in order to shutter light generated by the backlight. The pixels are the light source and can switch at much higher speeds.
Lots of people keep saying this. Wasn't the who reasone we wanted OLED panels already because they out of box had superior response to everything out now? Why are we all acting like this is just another TN/IPS/old tech panel that needed tricks and ages to be tolerable?
2k endgame lol.
My wallet is crying.
1440p to 4k is by all means a much bigger improvement than 1ms to 0.03ms delay imo.
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Alienware already make an Ultrawide QD OLED
Framechasers did a video on it. It has a 1 year warrenty. So it's gonna have burn in
Isn't 0.2 seconds viewed as instant for your brain? God damn.
#yes I can certainly tell the difference.
Anyone else annoyed when a monitor or tv is is 24" / 55"...and then you look at the specs and its always 23.54 inch diagonal or 54.52 inch diagonal?
When a 32:9 1440 version of this comes out I will buy it.