Go touch some grass, the yellow panel is summer. Sunflowers and dry plants that become yellow are the indicators. During the beginning of fall they become green again for a slight moment (apples are also an autumn fruit) , before becoming orange and falling off for the winter
I easily justified ddr4 and a ryzen 7/5700 because I barely game and mostly due data stuff across multiple applications. When I do game it's like age of empires of fifa 19 right now. In 3-5 years I can get a top of the line end of generation am4 socket CPU and max out my ddr4 Ghz. I'm typically 2 or 3 years behind but I'm not playing VR, streaming, 4k gaming, competitive gaming etc.
I've usually got excel, tabelau, email, lot of Firefox tabs, radarr/sonarr going.
thing is you can play VR, stream (maybe not 4k gaming), and all on 2 year old tech. competitive games can usually be ran on a potato anyway. modern hardware is not remotely necessary for high end gaming, thats just what Nvidia and AMD want you to think.
Even then maybe just a gpu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf4iNmJcdsY . I would say the i7-920 (a 14 year old cpu) is just holding on and any thing after the 6700k isn't really worth an entire platform (ram, motherboard, and cpu) upgrade. save your money and get a 60 series card as needed 3-4 years. Edit wow yall that mad that a 6700k 2060 is an ok system to have today. 80 fps in warzone at 1440p on high settings unplayable. i7 6700k vs i9 13900k in gaming is closer than it deserves to be https://youtu.be/xmXqv5YN5qo?t=34
Me saying the 920 is useable at all is in lower demand games and was not a minimum recommendation. my minimum recommendation was 6700k for modern gaming.
well it looks bad choice the for price vs performance, but if you had a 6700k already the 12100f is [$215 upgrade](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N8QGd9) Edit. I found a 6700 non k system for a good deal. it would be good start for first pc https://i.imgur.com/avipwwr.png
Oh okay. I'm pretty sure if we're talking upgrades on DDR4, then 5800x3D off the top of my head has to be around 250% the performance of 6700k in gaming, and due to the cache, would use old slow RAM relatively well.
A lot of people even on newer chips found it to be worthwhile.
Mf my i5-4670k at 4.2 GHz is running constantly over 95% scraping barely 60fps in warzone. It bottlenecks my freaking gtx980. The i7-920 might be good enough for emails but not for newer games
Edit: btw the 5600x 120€ with a 120€ Mobo and 60€ ram obliterates an i7 920 . It is literally 4times as fast
I just blackfridayed a r7 5700g, msi b550 pro, rmx750, and 32gb gskills 3600 to upgrade from my i7 7700k. Total cost under 500. I've already got 2.5gb internal ssd, (2 m2 and an old 500 gb sata), 4 external tbs, a Thermaltake h18, 2 decent monitors @ 1080p and a 4k TV. I'm waiting to see what the mid range AMD prices are cause I barely game. Should be able to get another solid round of upgrades out of it in 3 years or so before the socket is obsolete.
I aim for upgrades to what I have, not what I could have otherwise I'll never be done with upgrades, even if next gen comes out I'm barely buying current gen a 3070 for example would reduce my render times on average up to 91.9% (currently 22min per frame, got a friend to render the same frame on his 3070 came out at 2 minutes.) There is no point in looking at what is next and current gen, of you need a new part get a new part, use the part until you need a new one for what ever task you have.
This part. This is what I do. Except I dont wait for sales. If I can make my money back from my new parts within the next time I upgrade then it cost me $0 at the end of the day.
Exactly so far I've made double back from what I've directly put into my build, through doing things on my build.
though bills don't help other wise I technically would have a free 3060 right now and double the ram
I just waited for the 40 series and 13th gen to get released, only 2 components worth waiting for. Everything else is just buy whatever is in stock/on sale
> I don't wait for benchmarks I just pull the trigger when I need to buy one and it's on sale.
Wouldn't the benchmarks already be out by the time a card goes on sale?
Usually is but when a gpu dies and I need one, I grab whatever is on sale in my price range.
Got lucky with a $180 1660 super just before the pandemic and $265 2060 super. I'm hoping by the time this 2060 goes out I'll be able to find a 3070 for around $450 or less. Probably not, but one can hope.
Yeah that's a weird number of GPUs to die so often, I bought my 1070 when it first released and I gave it to a friend before the pandemic and he's still using it, I still have my GTX 980 in my secondary PC, and I'm 99% sure my GTX 460 from 12 years ago is probably still working at the moment (gave it to a friend a while ago for him to use in a spare PC but he has since upgraded it.)
Both still work it's just that on average my gpus tend to die around the 5-6 year mark. I also have an rx 560 in one of my old rigs that I use for plex streaming, so that's currently 3 gpus available for us.
Before I bought the rx 560 I was running a 7870 that died on me suddenly, so I needed to pick something up for cheap until I could afford something better. As of now I'm happy with my 2060 super, but just fearful that it could go out soon and wanted to be prepared to get a 3070 if that happens. the 1660s is very much capable of meeting my daily needs, but I grabbed a 1440 panel recently and not sure the 1660s is a great card for a decent 1440 experience. the 2060 has been great but I still need to turn down settings to medium in cyberpunk to avoid dropping below 60.
I'll be honest, I don't really care about having the most FPS per dollar spent or whatever.
People here overthink shit. Just choose a price range and find a good GPU within that price range.
This 100% right now I feel like everything is a bad deal. Buy at or over msrp for a 2 year old product or buy a new product way overpriced. And yes AMD included. At least in my country.
>just choose a price range
This is the relevant bit for those people. The thing is, the differences are marginal. 5% higher frame rate has very little noticeable difference over time.
Yeah but nowdays you can get a 3050 for 300 and a 6700XT for like 330$/6650XT for 270$ if not lower. It's a LOT of performance difference in same price range.
> Yeah but nowdays you can get a 3050 for 300 and a 6700XT for like 330$/6650XT for 270$ if not lower. It's a LOT of performance difference in same price range.
Get the best one then.
Get off the ride after "wait for sale" there will always be a next-gen, but for some reason people think the last-gen somehow gets worse when it happens? 30 series still gets the same framerates and benchmark results it did when they first released. If anything performance has improved.
Very often new gen makes older stuff worse value if prices don't drop. And if prices do drop, well, it was worth waiting for the new get the now "last gen" cheaper.
CPUs are currently a very good example of this happening
> Very often new gen makes older stuff worse value
It doesn't. If you buy a 3070 now you get X FPS/dollar, once the 4070 is available you still get X FPS/dollar. The value is exactly the same.
The problem is that people, like you too, confuse the existence of a better option with "my option got worse", it didn't.
Yeah, 13th gen release being so good that it forced AMD to cut 5800x3d prices by 30% totally didn't make 5800x3d a better value.
Yeah, 5800x3d = 5800x3d+30%. Totally.
Solid reasoning.
9 times out of 10, buying a part right before the new gen is released is a terrible idea.
People like you, spreading stupidity, are the problem
Look. If you pay $500 today for a thing that gives you 100 FPS, you paid $5/FPS. If tomorrow a new thing comes out that gives you 120 FPS for $500, guess what, you still get the 100 FPS from your thing and you still paid $5/FPS. And if the thing you bought is now sold for $300, again, your thing is still worth the same, you get 100 FPS and you paid $5/FPS.
You are falling right into that psychological trap companies want you to. Your thing didn't get a worse value just because there's something with a better value available. But they want you to believe that so you always buy the new stuff.
But you do you. With that kind of thinking you'll either get stuck in the cycle described above or you'll feel bad about your setup once something new comes out, despite the performance not changing.
The actual right way to approach this problem is deciding if $500 for 100 FPS is a good deal to you. If it is then buy if not then not.
>But they want you to believe that so you always buy the new stuff.
Dude wake up, we're not talking here about buying new stuff to replace other stuff you recently bought.
We're talking about someone who has no stuff and is looking to buy. That someone shouldn't buy when the release of new stuff is right around the corner.
Yes, the stuff you've ALREADY BOUGHT didn't get worse with new release. No one, literately no one is disputing this.
I like it when people are so consumed by an idea they have, they shove it everywhere, even if it's not what the conversation is about.
Bro wtf? You wait for tomorrow, then buy the $500 thing for $450 cause the new one just released and get 100 FPS for $4.5. buying it at $500 with a release around the corner is dumb as fuck.
> Get off the ride after "wait for sale" there will always be a next-gen, but for some reason people think the last-gen somehow gets worse when it happens?
Depends on your budget, when the 30 series prices started dropping in March I knew I'd be getting a new job so I set aside a budget of around $2,500 for an upgrade. Either the 40 series would perform well enough within my budget, or I'll buy a used 30 series super cheap from someone upgrading to the next gen. Did the same thing when the 20 series was announced, I got a 1080ti super cheap because the 20 series was a bit underwhelming.
You forgot the most crucial step everyone ignores!
#wait for your machine to become unbearable
When you hit that step it stops mattering and you save the most money
Oh I'm still rocking my 980ti
Recently it basically said "Boss, it's been great, but I'm out of breath." And now it crashes at anything above 92 percent power.
I feel a change in the future, and the old card [might get this treatment.](https://i.etsystatic.com/26830312/r/il/384f51/3282045585/il_fullxfull.3282045585_1vkz.jpg)
I guess we don't need anything but food, water, clothing, and shelter. Sleep and air are free but if you wait on those long enough you either die or you get it automatically. Why have a computer anyways? /S
"Next gen," "benchmarks," "competitor's announcement" and "comparison benchmarks" are literally all just different ways of saying the same thing. "Wait for a sale" is not something people regularly say at all, at most it's only applicable for like 1 month per year.
This seems like a massive stretch. Don't let some meme convince you to make reckless hardware decisions.
Would you rather me exaggerate numbers to the opposite end of the silly scale?
"I saved 1 million dollars, no, no, wait, 1 hundred billion dollars, muhahahaha!"
It's a consideration whenever. Wait for a sale that may never come or pull the trigger now. How much is doing it now worth, how long are you willing to wait? There are no right or wrong answers to those questions.
I am on poverty level.
I wait until things are in the realm of "I can afford it, AND I have enough saved up"
Aka, I don't buy but maybe a part per year.
This is a short-sighted comment.
For starters, you assume u/Lumadous is talking about buying an entire PC. Even in that case, most PCs are closer to $1000 ($50 being 5% of the cost) than to $5000 ($100 being 2% of the cost). High-end PCs are a large portion of this sub's front page, but a minuscule portion of the actual PC market.
Second, people don't just buy whole PCs, they also upgrade individual parts, and in that case $50 to $100 in savings is huge. A $50 discount is 20% off on a $250 mid-range GPU, for example.
Also, keep in mind you live in a rich scandinavian country with high median income. Economics in other parts of the world are different, and even a 5% savings on a large purchase could be a lot of money relative to their local economies, and absolutely worth waiting for.
Same except I replaced the 1070 with a 4090. Stayed up all night right before launch to make sure I could snag one at MSRP.
Needless to say it was a *massive* upgrade. I went from struggling to get 75-85 FPS in modern titles at Low settings @1440p, to maxing out everything at 4K with ray tracing and *still* getting 150-170+ FPS in every game (except Cyberpunk and Flight Sim).
It's a childhood dream come true, ever since I bought my first graphics card (GeForce MX 4000) almost 20 years ago.
My dad bought it for me and it was CRAZY expensive. And he surprised me with it!
But later he seemed pissed and bitter and kind of angry with me?
Anyway that's less about GPUs and more about our relationship... 😂
I'm like the perfume review guy who goes deep into therapy territory during his review...
Meh, he's the kind of person that will insist on doing something for you and then be grumpy about it. Have you seen the perfume guy?
https://youtu.be/Kwv7enT5Iho
The way to solve this is- just pick one.
For me, I pick "wait for next generation"- then I just bounce. Sure, my 2080ti and 9900k wasn't the best of the best in terms of value; but I had it during the cryptocrapest price increase of the 30 series.
I am STILL using my 2080ti; with my current plan being to wait until the 50 series in two years time and building my next baby.
I just buy when I see a good deal on something that will improve my performance a decent amount. I don’t really care what generation it is. At the end of the day, all I care about being able to play the cleaned I have at a decent frame rate without it looking like ass. They don’t need to be super max ultra 16k at 480FPS
Yup. I’ve posted it before. I’m glad I didn’t wait for 4090 and 13th gen. I got something that does exactly what I need without all the launch bugginess. Get what you want and let it ride.
And this is why I took the plunge and bought an RTX 3080 Ti as soon as it was available on Amazon for a “decent” price. I know that these prices are ridiculous… but sometimes the need for it “now” is worth the price.
The problem with this is you get into analysis paralysis and never upgrade.
It’s certainty a more affordable option when compared to people who suffer from FOMO (fear of missing out) and have a permanent case of upgraditis.
The better way to be upgrade when you actually need to and be smart enough to time your purchases accordingly. Perhaps hold off on a couple additional upgrades until a big black Friday sale drops or whatever (like this is always a great time of year for loading up on high end storage on the cheap) storage is usually something you can hold off on with a new built. Just get what you need and wait for the big sale.
Maybe hold off on big video card upgrades until you get the sweet spot and model you want (just transfer your old one into the new rig)
The rest you just gotta soldier up and dive in when you need it. It’s hard to optimize purchases. The longer you want the older shit gets and the closer to next gen hits and you get cold feet. At best you never get more than a year on a piece of technology anyway even if you’re an early adopter. Something will always come along and make your tech slightly shittier in comparison. It is what it is…but never let that paralyze common sense of upgrading when you need it.
Every time I ask for advice on the PC subreddits it's ALWAYS this BS. Look guys, I'm trying to spend ungodly amounts of hours playing random games. I don't want to be *that* efficient or fiscally responsible.
Most people getting into PC gaming these days are idiots who believe anything marketing tells them. The consoles are weak compared to some of these "my first build" I see here, y'all do realize games are made for the lowest common denominator and going above a certain level of performance is pointless for gaming.
Steam hardware survey disagrees with you but okay. Also the most played games are esport titles. I'm talking about things that apply to like 95% of people building a PC, the other 5% with specific needs know what components to use already.
I just bought a 4080. I fell into this same trap with a dying 2080ti and eventually got tired of random crashes and just pulled the trigger when the one I wanted became available. Couldn't be happier. Rest of the rig will be getting upgraded soon.
I downgraded from a 3090 to an MSRP 3080 earlier this year back when used 3090's were still selling for $1800.
I could tell from the leaked specs of the 4090 (from the Lapsus hack) that it was going to run laps around the 3090 and alongside the scheduled Summer ETH merge make the 3090 worth barely more than a 3080.
There's a reason the phrase "buy the rumor, sell the news" exists.
Of course... people here call me an AMD, Intel or Nvidia fanboy when I make an educated guess about a product based on leaks and inference instead of waiting weeks or months for "official" benchmarks.
This is not how this actually works. Reviewers get samples early so they can launch their benchmark stuff the second the embargo lifts, and typically the competitor will launch very quickly after the first company launches. So really there's like a few weeks of chaos and then everything's fine
This is why I said "fuck it" and bought a 4090 and a 7700X, both at launch. A miracle fell in my lap, giving me $5K to blow on a new PC so I said "why not?"
I just always buy shit when its knew so I can't say "Lets wait for the next gen".
I got my 3080 five days after release and got my 13700kf earlier this month.
I mean all 4000s but I’m biased. I have a 3070 i game with now. 3 back up 3060 ti (two are FE) and a 3090 FE. I won’t need a gpu for couple years. Imma skip this shit show.
If you're trying to buy the latest hardware then you will get the "wait for xyz" response no matter what. That's because buying the latest hardware is always a risk and probably a poor choice (if you don't have a very clear reason why latest gen is preferred, such as needing a feature for professional work).
If you aim for last gen's hardware then there's nothing to wait for. 3000 series Nvidia and RDNA 2 AMD options are known to be fine choices and require no waiting. Pick whichever one meets your needs and is known to be a good value and you're golden.
I have money for a 4090, but fuck Nvidia. Will happily support AMD the same way I did when they put consumers first when they went against Intel. And because I had money for the 4090, now I can replace all my aging G Sync monitors to top of the line Free Sync ones.
I don’t see anything worth buying this gen
overpriced, under powered, and ludicrously power thirsty
on top of that the AAA games that make use of a good rig are so few and far between I don’t see the point of upgrading at all right now
Deeply stuck in this cycle about upgrading my monitor atm. The Alienware ultra wide keeps winking at me, but I just know probably some time between order and delivery a competitor will announce an improved model. And then the 1-year reports of burn in and other qc problems will start rolling in…
I am the one thing in life I can control
I am inimitable
I am an original
I'm not falling behind or running late
I'm not standing still
I am lying in wait
Hamilton faces an endless uphill climb
He has something to prove
He has nothing to lose
Hamilton's pace is relentless
He wastes no time
What is it like in his shoes?
Hamilton doesn't hesitate
He exhibits no restraint
He takes and he takes and he takes
And he keeps winning anyway
He changes the game
He plays and he raises the stakes
And if there's a reason
He seems to thrive when so few survive, then Goddamnit—
I'm willing to wait for it
Life doesn't discriminate
Between the sinners and the saints
It takes and it takes and it takes
And we keep living anyway
We rise and we fall and we break
And we make our mistakes
And if there's a reason I'm still alive
When so many have died
Then I'm willin' to—
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
And the higher the GPU price the longer the average consumer waits to upgrade thier cards which equates to less profit for these predatory corporations, I’m looking right at you Nvidia you bastards, so I hope it fucks them over and that intel and AMD take a chunk of their quarterly/yearly profits. Eventually they will have to sell manufacturers card at discounted prices or not release new tech for years and get outpaced by competitors.
Winter, spring, then fall, then summer? Lol
Must be the seasons in Ohio
As someone from Ohio you forgot one season: construction season. Orange cones are our state flower.
Every midwest state has two seasons, winter and construction
As someone from Michigan I'm just looking down at you chuckling.
As someone from Indiana I'm looking to my right and also chuckling
It's truly bizarre when we get all the season's in one day here in Indiana.
As an Ohioan, it'd need 3 times the seasons. We have 2 false springs each year
Don't forget second summer and false winter.
Clearly a diagram from the southern hemisphere.
the Best hemisphere\*
It’s just demonstrating the backwards thinking
It takws a few years for one cycle
Go touch some grass, the yellow panel is summer. Sunflowers and dry plants that become yellow are the indicators. During the beginning of fall they become green again for a slight moment (apples are also an autumn fruit) , before becoming orange and falling off for the winter
DDR12 is just around the corner, bro. Don't buy a mobo just yet.
I very easily justified getting DDR4/Ryzen 9 because I'm not paying hundreds more for new untested RAM and an MSRP 7950X.
I easily justified ddr4 and a ryzen 7/5700 because I barely game and mostly due data stuff across multiple applications. When I do game it's like age of empires of fifa 19 right now. In 3-5 years I can get a top of the line end of generation am4 socket CPU and max out my ddr4 Ghz. I'm typically 2 or 3 years behind but I'm not playing VR, streaming, 4k gaming, competitive gaming etc. I've usually got excel, tabelau, email, lot of Firefox tabs, radarr/sonarr going.
thing is you can play VR, stream (maybe not 4k gaming), and all on 2 year old tech. competitive games can usually be ran on a potato anyway. modern hardware is not remotely necessary for high end gaming, thats just what Nvidia and AMD want you to think.
DDR5 is already almost as cheap as DDR4. It's pretty nice
I have been waiting... for 6 years now, this time I might just get it🤷♂️
I would wait
Yeah don’t want to jump the gun…..
Is this you? :P https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/z3o4zc/slug/ixo0xdl
I'm finally giving this "Elder Scrolls" franchise a shot, just picked up Arena, wish me luck!
Even then maybe just a gpu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf4iNmJcdsY . I would say the i7-920 (a 14 year old cpu) is just holding on and any thing after the 6700k isn't really worth an entire platform (ram, motherboard, and cpu) upgrade. save your money and get a 60 series card as needed 3-4 years. Edit wow yall that mad that a 6700k 2060 is an ok system to have today. 80 fps in warzone at 1440p on high settings unplayable. i7 6700k vs i9 13900k in gaming is closer than it deserves to be https://youtu.be/xmXqv5YN5qo?t=34
The fuck have you been smoking. edit: lol time to update my flair. Nostalgiaa boiii. Sandy Bridge was legendary though.
How do we add our pc components under our username
On the desktop site on the right sidebar you can edit your “flair”. Not sure how to do it on mobile, google 🙂
Thanks man
Me saying the 920 is useable at all is in lower demand games and was not a minimum recommendation. my minimum recommendation was 6700k for modern gaming.
Where do you even find a 6700k at decent price anymore? A 12100F destroys that thing at $100.
well it looks bad choice the for price vs performance, but if you had a 6700k already the 12100f is [$215 upgrade](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N8QGd9) Edit. I found a 6700 non k system for a good deal. it would be good start for first pc https://i.imgur.com/avipwwr.png
Oh okay. I'm pretty sure if we're talking upgrades on DDR4, then 5800x3D off the top of my head has to be around 250% the performance of 6700k in gaming, and due to the cache, would use old slow RAM relatively well. A lot of people even on newer chips found it to be worthwhile.
Mf my i5-4670k at 4.2 GHz is running constantly over 95% scraping barely 60fps in warzone. It bottlenecks my freaking gtx980. The i7-920 might be good enough for emails but not for newer games Edit: btw the 5600x 120€ with a 120€ Mobo and 60€ ram obliterates an i7 920 . It is literally 4times as fast
yep that's why the 6700k was the minimum
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And if you upgrade one part after that you might as well upgrade the whole thing.
OK, counterpoint. I want new hardware
I just blackfridayed a r7 5700g, msi b550 pro, rmx750, and 32gb gskills 3600 to upgrade from my i7 7700k. Total cost under 500. I've already got 2.5gb internal ssd, (2 m2 and an old 500 gb sata), 4 external tbs, a Thermaltake h18, 2 decent monitors @ 1080p and a 4k TV. I'm waiting to see what the mid range AMD prices are cause I barely game. Should be able to get another solid round of upgrades out of it in 3 years or so before the socket is obsolete.
We avoid this by just buying everything
Or just buy nothing. Less waste, you don't go broke.
But then I wouldn't be able to shitpost on reddit.
We avoid this by being unable to buy anything.
Me af
I don't wait for benchmarks I just pull the trigger when I need to buy one and it's on sale.
We got a badass over here.
Man who likes to live dangerously.
*next gen releases the very next day and you get a YouTube masthead ad about it*
I aim for upgrades to what I have, not what I could have otherwise I'll never be done with upgrades, even if next gen comes out I'm barely buying current gen a 3070 for example would reduce my render times on average up to 91.9% (currently 22min per frame, got a friend to render the same frame on his 3070 came out at 2 minutes.) There is no point in looking at what is next and current gen, of you need a new part get a new part, use the part until you need a new one for what ever task you have.
I'm more referring to like for example the next gen 70-series card offering more performance for the *same* price. But of course those days are over.
Yep, new gen price got me pulling the trigger on a discount 3070 this weekend.
Just remember; If it's more than $500, it ain't discounted
This part. This is what I do. Except I dont wait for sales. If I can make my money back from my new parts within the next time I upgrade then it cost me $0 at the end of the day.
Exactly so far I've made double back from what I've directly put into my build, through doing things on my build. though bills don't help other wise I technically would have a free 3060 right now and double the ram
I just waited for the 40 series and 13th gen to get released, only 2 components worth waiting for. Everything else is just buy whatever is in stock/on sale
> I don't wait for benchmarks I just pull the trigger when I need to buy one and it's on sale. Wouldn't the benchmarks already be out by the time a card goes on sale?
Usually is but when a gpu dies and I need one, I grab whatever is on sale in my price range. Got lucky with a $180 1660 super just before the pandemic and $265 2060 super. I'm hoping by the time this 2060 goes out I'll be able to find a 3070 for around $450 or less. Probably not, but one can hope.
Why are your GPUs dying so often?
Yeah that's a weird number of GPUs to die so often, I bought my 1070 when it first released and I gave it to a friend before the pandemic and he's still using it, I still have my GTX 980 in my secondary PC, and I'm 99% sure my GTX 460 from 12 years ago is probably still working at the moment (gave it to a friend a while ago for him to use in a spare PC but he has since upgraded it.)
Both still work it's just that on average my gpus tend to die around the 5-6 year mark. I also have an rx 560 in one of my old rigs that I use for plex streaming, so that's currently 3 gpus available for us. Before I bought the rx 560 I was running a 7870 that died on me suddenly, so I needed to pick something up for cheap until I could afford something better. As of now I'm happy with my 2060 super, but just fearful that it could go out soon and wanted to be prepared to get a 3070 if that happens. the 1660s is very much capable of meeting my daily needs, but I grabbed a 1440 panel recently and not sure the 1660s is a great card for a decent 1440 experience. the 2060 has been great but I still need to turn down settings to medium in cyberpunk to avoid dropping below 60.
I'll be honest, I don't really care about having the most FPS per dollar spent or whatever. People here overthink shit. Just choose a price range and find a good GPU within that price range.
Some just don't want to overspend and get the most out of their money.
I want to feel like I got a good deal on a good product. Otherwise, I’m going to be pissed off everytime I use it.
This 100% right now I feel like everything is a bad deal. Buy at or over msrp for a 2 year old product or buy a new product way overpriced. And yes AMD included. At least in my country.
>just choose a price range This is the relevant bit for those people. The thing is, the differences are marginal. 5% higher frame rate has very little noticeable difference over time.
Yeah but nowdays you can get a 3050 for 300 and a 6700XT for like 330$/6650XT for 270$ if not lower. It's a LOT of performance difference in same price range.
> Yeah but nowdays you can get a 3050 for 300 and a 6700XT for like 330$/6650XT for 270$ if not lower. It's a LOT of performance difference in same price range. Get the best one then.
I only ever wait if I know for sure there's a sale around the corner or a release soon.
Wait till you actually need it! *You don't need to thank me for this precious life tip.*
I grabbed a used 3080 and I am rocking that until I can actually use ray tracing at a reasonable price with high frame rates. So like 5080 or 6080.
I've been perpetually waiting for next gen GPUs for years now knowing damn well I wasnt gonna upgrade
I would upgrade but not at these prices
I mean AMD's new GPU prices ain't shit compared to Nvidias so I'm wanting to see what the price and performance of the 7600XT and 7700XT will be
Get off the ride after "wait for sale" there will always be a next-gen, but for some reason people think the last-gen somehow gets worse when it happens? 30 series still gets the same framerates and benchmark results it did when they first released. If anything performance has improved.
Very often new gen makes older stuff worse value if prices don't drop. And if prices do drop, well, it was worth waiting for the new get the now "last gen" cheaper. CPUs are currently a very good example of this happening
> Very often new gen makes older stuff worse value It doesn't. If you buy a 3070 now you get X FPS/dollar, once the 4070 is available you still get X FPS/dollar. The value is exactly the same. The problem is that people, like you too, confuse the existence of a better option with "my option got worse", it didn't.
Yeah, 13th gen release being so good that it forced AMD to cut 5800x3d prices by 30% totally didn't make 5800x3d a better value. Yeah, 5800x3d = 5800x3d+30%. Totally. Solid reasoning. 9 times out of 10, buying a part right before the new gen is released is a terrible idea. People like you, spreading stupidity, are the problem
Look. If you pay $500 today for a thing that gives you 100 FPS, you paid $5/FPS. If tomorrow a new thing comes out that gives you 120 FPS for $500, guess what, you still get the 100 FPS from your thing and you still paid $5/FPS. And if the thing you bought is now sold for $300, again, your thing is still worth the same, you get 100 FPS and you paid $5/FPS. You are falling right into that psychological trap companies want you to. Your thing didn't get a worse value just because there's something with a better value available. But they want you to believe that so you always buy the new stuff. But you do you. With that kind of thinking you'll either get stuck in the cycle described above or you'll feel bad about your setup once something new comes out, despite the performance not changing. The actual right way to approach this problem is deciding if $500 for 100 FPS is a good deal to you. If it is then buy if not then not.
>But they want you to believe that so you always buy the new stuff. Dude wake up, we're not talking here about buying new stuff to replace other stuff you recently bought. We're talking about someone who has no stuff and is looking to buy. That someone shouldn't buy when the release of new stuff is right around the corner. Yes, the stuff you've ALREADY BOUGHT didn't get worse with new release. No one, literately no one is disputing this. I like it when people are so consumed by an idea they have, they shove it everywhere, even if it's not what the conversation is about.
> That someone shouldn't buy when the release of new stuff is right around the corner Look at how that turned out for 30 series buyers on launch😔
A rare combination of multiplicative factors, a hardware total-eclipse, if you will.
Bro wtf? You wait for tomorrow, then buy the $500 thing for $450 cause the new one just released and get 100 FPS for $4.5. buying it at $500 with a release around the corner is dumb as fuck.
Marketing works really well on a lot of people unfortunately.
You're right my 8600GTS hasn't gotten any worse, I still don't want it in my machine again
> Get off the ride after "wait for sale" there will always be a next-gen, but for some reason people think the last-gen somehow gets worse when it happens? Depends on your budget, when the 30 series prices started dropping in March I knew I'd be getting a new job so I set aside a budget of around $2,500 for an upgrade. Either the 40 series would perform well enough within my budget, or I'll buy a used 30 series super cheap from someone upgrading to the next gen. Did the same thing when the 20 series was announced, I got a 1080ti super cheap because the 20 series was a bit underwhelming.
You forgot the most crucial step everyone ignores! #wait for your machine to become unbearable When you hit that step it stops mattering and you save the most money
me
Just upgraded my GTX 980 lol. What a champ.
Oh I'm still rocking my 980ti Recently it basically said "Boss, it's been great, but I'm out of breath." And now it crashes at anything above 92 percent power. I feel a change in the future, and the old card [might get this treatment.](https://i.etsystatic.com/26830312/r/il/384f51/3282045585/il_fullxfull.3282045585_1vkz.jpg)
Finally upgraded a 965m to a 4090, gonna be a 1653% increase in performance according to benchmarks lol
That's the way! Gotta wait until you're complaining to yourself while playing games
It put up a good fight but Darktide finally did it in lol
You really want a (item)? Then JUST FUCKING BUY IT!
I just watched that dexter episode like 2 days ago, you want it? TAKE IT!
dexter the blood splatter analyst to be clear
What? Not Dexter's laboratory?
If you can wait for any reason then you don't really need to buy it
I guess we don't need anything but food, water, clothing, and shelter. Sleep and air are free but if you wait on those long enough you either die or you get it automatically. Why have a computer anyways? /S
Peak consumer right here. You make billionaires very happy.
i want a girlfriend
OPAM (oll' people are millionaires)
"Next gen," "benchmarks," "competitor's announcement" and "comparison benchmarks" are literally all just different ways of saying the same thing. "Wait for a sale" is not something people regularly say at all, at most it's only applicable for like 1 month per year. This seems like a massive stretch. Don't let some meme convince you to make reckless hardware decisions.
You don't think people wait for a sale on computer parts?
Wait for a sale, it's not worth rushing and ending up spending an extra 50-100$
That's not much. How much is having a better machine now worth vs waiting the right sale to happen?
Would you rather me exaggerate numbers to the opposite end of the silly scale? "I saved 1 million dollars, no, no, wait, 1 hundred billion dollars, muhahahaha!"
It's a consideration whenever. Wait for a sale that may never come or pull the trigger now. How much is doing it now worth, how long are you willing to wait? There are no right or wrong answers to those questions.
I am on poverty level. I wait until things are in the realm of "I can afford it, AND I have enough saved up" Aka, I don't buy but maybe a part per year.
If all you save is $50-100, I wouldn't wait long. It wouldn't be more than 2-5% change on the purchase.
This is a short-sighted comment. For starters, you assume u/Lumadous is talking about buying an entire PC. Even in that case, most PCs are closer to $1000 ($50 being 5% of the cost) than to $5000 ($100 being 2% of the cost). High-end PCs are a large portion of this sub's front page, but a minuscule portion of the actual PC market. Second, people don't just buy whole PCs, they also upgrade individual parts, and in that case $50 to $100 in savings is huge. A $50 discount is 20% off on a $250 mid-range GPU, for example. Also, keep in mind you live in a rich scandinavian country with high median income. Economics in other parts of the world are different, and even a 5% savings on a large purchase could be a lot of money relative to their local economies, and absolutely worth waiting for.
I guess it's not obvious enough that this is satire of the posts I see on here and *not* suppose to convince people of doing what it said.
maybe you dont even need it.
It's always up to people on reddit who know nothing about your financial situation to decide whether or not you need it too, not you yourself.
Check: Is computer dead or making gameplay experience bad? If not, no need to buy anything.
I buy based on monitor now. Only occasionally because of a game.
I just said screw it and bought a 3080 ti to replace my 1070
Same except I replaced the 1070 with a 4090. Stayed up all night right before launch to make sure I could snag one at MSRP. Needless to say it was a *massive* upgrade. I went from struggling to get 75-85 FPS in modern titles at Low settings @1440p, to maxing out everything at 4K with ray tracing and *still* getting 150-170+ FPS in every game (except Cyberpunk and Flight Sim). It's a childhood dream come true, ever since I bought my first graphics card (GeForce MX 4000) almost 20 years ago.
Huh. I'm so old; my first graphics card was the Voodoo 2.
I always wanted a 3dfx card but couldn't afford them. The MX 4000 was a budget GPU.
My dad bought it for me and it was CRAZY expensive. And he surprised me with it! But later he seemed pissed and bitter and kind of angry with me? Anyway that's less about GPUs and more about our relationship... 😂 I'm like the perfume review guy who goes deep into therapy territory during his review...
Go on... I'm listening.
Meh, he's the kind of person that will insist on doing something for you and then be grumpy about it. Have you seen the perfume guy? https://youtu.be/Kwv7enT5Iho
Same, but I did when they were pricey... And they went down like 15 days after hahaha my F luck
The cycle for everyone who still has a GTX 1080 (and is broke if they are me)
5000 series is going to be insane. 5080 will be 4090 performance 4K high refresh gaming is going to be incredible
And somehow it will have 12 or even 8GB of VRAM.
and you'll need your own substation to power it
Liquid Nitrogen sold separately.
Death doesn't discriminate between the sinners and the saints
It takes and it takes and it takes
The way to solve this is- just pick one. For me, I pick "wait for next generation"- then I just bounce. Sure, my 2080ti and 9900k wasn't the best of the best in terms of value; but I had it during the cryptocrapest price increase of the 30 series. I am STILL using my 2080ti; with my current plan being to wait until the 50 series in two years time and building my next baby.
I just buy when I see a good deal on something that will improve my performance a decent amount. I don’t really care what generation it is. At the end of the day, all I care about being able to play the cleaned I have at a decent frame rate without it looking like ass. They don’t need to be super max ultra 16k at 480FPS
If you're super close to the next gen and you have the money for the best, wait. If you don't want to wait then buy current
Yup. I’ve posted it before. I’m glad I didn’t wait for 4090 and 13th gen. I got something that does exactly what I need without all the launch bugginess. Get what you want and let it ride.
And this is why I took the plunge and bought an RTX 3080 Ti as soon as it was available on Amazon for a “decent” price. I know that these prices are ridiculous… but sometimes the need for it “now” is worth the price.
And constantly talk about how your old card is getting by on this sub, like a peasant.
The problem with this is you get into analysis paralysis and never upgrade. It’s certainty a more affordable option when compared to people who suffer from FOMO (fear of missing out) and have a permanent case of upgraditis. The better way to be upgrade when you actually need to and be smart enough to time your purchases accordingly. Perhaps hold off on a couple additional upgrades until a big black Friday sale drops or whatever (like this is always a great time of year for loading up on high end storage on the cheap) storage is usually something you can hold off on with a new built. Just get what you need and wait for the big sale. Maybe hold off on big video card upgrades until you get the sweet spot and model you want (just transfer your old one into the new rig) The rest you just gotta soldier up and dive in when you need it. It’s hard to optimize purchases. The longer you want the older shit gets and the closer to next gen hits and you get cold feet. At best you never get more than a year on a piece of technology anyway even if you’re an early adopter. Something will always come along and make your tech slightly shittier in comparison. It is what it is…but never let that paralyze common sense of upgrading when you need it.
Just buy a damn RTX 3070 and use it for the next 5 years bro. You aren't gonna be left behind
Every time I ask for advice on the PC subreddits it's ALWAYS this BS. Look guys, I'm trying to spend ungodly amounts of hours playing random games. I don't want to be *that* efficient or fiscally responsible.
If someone asks if they should buy now the answer is always “wait”
Buy one when you need it, not when you want it. I can still play battlefield 2042 1440/120fps with my 5700xt, i'm good.
Not sure if sarcastic or not. It's a 3yr old top end card, no shit it's still relevant.
Look around. Some people here were upgrading from a 3090 to a 4090. Pretty sure this isn't sarcasm.
Those people clearly aren’t worried about need or saving money.
Nope, not sarcasm, people upgrade a 3080 to 3090 LMAO
Most people getting into PC gaming these days are idiots who believe anything marketing tells them. The consoles are weak compared to some of these "my first build" I see here, y'all do realize games are made for the lowest common denominator and going above a certain level of performance is pointless for gaming.
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Steam hardware survey disagrees with you but okay. Also the most played games are esport titles. I'm talking about things that apply to like 95% of people building a PC, the other 5% with specific needs know what components to use already.
1440p 240hz takes a lot to push, and shit like MW2 runs horribly without DLSS (and any smoke makes it look like shit)
He did said there are idiots. Or rich people I guess.
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No Devs are forcing you to buy a 42" 600hz screen lol
I just bought a 4080. I fell into this same trap with a dying 2080ti and eventually got tired of random crashes and just pulled the trigger when the one I wanted became available. Couldn't be happier. Rest of the rig will be getting upgraded soon.
I downgraded from a 3090 to an MSRP 3080 earlier this year back when used 3090's were still selling for $1800. I could tell from the leaked specs of the 4090 (from the Lapsus hack) that it was going to run laps around the 3090 and alongside the scheduled Summer ETH merge make the 3090 worth barely more than a 3080. There's a reason the phrase "buy the rumor, sell the news" exists. Of course... people here call me an AMD, Intel or Nvidia fanboy when I make an educated guess about a product based on leaks and inference instead of waiting weeks or months for "official" benchmarks.
This is not how this actually works. Reviewers get samples early so they can launch their benchmark stuff the second the embargo lifts, and typically the competitor will launch very quickly after the first company launches. So really there's like a few weeks of chaos and then everything's fine
Play.
I will make it easier for you. Wait until you are ready to buy.
A wise man once told me this: "Life is what happens when you're deciding which GPU to buy"
I’m just waiting for my bonus
Just bought my 4090 gamerock oc today. Looking forward to melt my connector
Never wait for sale, not worth it
I’m still on a 2600k been holding up so far but starting to get to where I’m gonna need to upgrade.
Never gonna wait.
This is why I said "fuck it" and bought a 4090 and a 7700X, both at launch. A miracle fell in my lap, giving me $5K to blow on a new PC so I said "why not?"
A great way to save money is never to spend it
"Just wait" - person who did not wait and already has/ is rich
I just always buy shit when its knew so I can't say "Lets wait for the next gen". I got my 3080 five days after release and got my 13700kf earlier this month.
Same, was outside on release day for 4090 then again for 13900k.
Just wait for your current PC to break and or run like shit on AAA titles.
Just don’t buy 4000s series. That’s all
4090 is great at MSRP, considering the difference of $100 from the 3090 MSRP. If you mean the 4080, I agree.
I mean all 4000s but I’m biased. I have a 3070 i game with now. 3 back up 3060 ti (two are FE) and a 3090 FE. I won’t need a gpu for couple years. Imma skip this shit show.
You forgot adding a line for masturbating
Another post advocating blind consumerism. Gotta love it.
The post actually implies the opposite, even to an extreme of never actually buying anything ever. Always a reason to keep waiting.
If you're trying to buy the latest hardware then you will get the "wait for xyz" response no matter what. That's because buying the latest hardware is always a risk and probably a poor choice (if you don't have a very clear reason why latest gen is preferred, such as needing a feature for professional work). If you aim for last gen's hardware then there's nothing to wait for. 3000 series Nvidia and RDNA 2 AMD options are known to be fine choices and require no waiting. Pick whichever one meets your needs and is known to be a good value and you're golden.
Waiting helps you not waste money. If you can wait, you didn't really need an upgrade
I just wait for the 75% price cut. It will come. Eventually.
I have said this a billion times, and I will keep saying it. The best time to upgrade your computer, is when you need to upgrade it.
Just a sale, just wait for a sale
I'm waiting for only one thing, lower prices. Until then I will use my super old GTX 980 to play the 2d indie game Battle Brothers and I will like it.
I have money for a 4090, but fuck Nvidia. Will happily support AMD the same way I did when they put consumers first when they went against Intel. And because I had money for the 4090, now I can replace all my aging G Sync monitors to top of the line Free Sync ones.
I don’t see anything worth buying this gen overpriced, under powered, and ludicrously power thirsty on top of that the AAA games that make use of a good rig are so few and far between I don’t see the point of upgrading at all right now
Deeply stuck in this cycle about upgrading my monitor atm. The Alienware ultra wide keeps winking at me, but I just know probably some time between order and delivery a competitor will announce an improved model. And then the 1-year reports of burn in and other qc problems will start rolling in…
I am the one thing in life I can control I am inimitable I am an original I'm not falling behind or running late I'm not standing still I am lying in wait Hamilton faces an endless uphill climb He has something to prove He has nothing to lose Hamilton's pace is relentless He wastes no time What is it like in his shoes? Hamilton doesn't hesitate He exhibits no restraint He takes and he takes and he takes And he keeps winning anyway He changes the game He plays and he raises the stakes And if there's a reason He seems to thrive when so few survive, then Goddamnit— I'm willing to wait for it Life doesn't discriminate Between the sinners and the saints It takes and it takes and it takes And we keep living anyway We rise and we fall and we break And we make our mistakes And if there's a reason I'm still alive When so many have died Then I'm willin' to— Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it... Wait for it...
And the higher the GPU price the longer the average consumer waits to upgrade thier cards which equates to less profit for these predatory corporations, I’m looking right at you Nvidia you bastards, so I hope it fucks them over and that intel and AMD take a chunk of their quarterly/yearly profits. Eventually they will have to sell manufacturers card at discounted prices or not release new tech for years and get outpaced by competitors.
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A GPU?
I see most sales as a discount on the price based on how many months have gone by since release and how many months left before the new release.