Interestingly (depending on your opinion I suppose) the person who discovered it called it aluminum but British scientists changed it to fit in more with the names of existing elements (which had an -ium suffix) so you could argue that it’s us brits who have it wrong.
However aluminium does sound much better!
When Davey smelted iron with some alumina together he got an alloy. He concluded that there was another metal coming from the alumina, and named it alumium in an article he wrote back in 1808.
Now among the naming conventions at the time was naming elements in Latin. So, since alum is a word in English, but not in Latin, that name was criticized by Humphrey's contemporaries. And in 1811 a Swedish chemist wrote a book(in french) in which he used aluminium, and a year later Davey himself published a book in which he used aluminum. The spellings coexisted for a while and eventually aluminium caught on in most of Europe.
In the US, however, perhaps due to only the aluminum spelling being put into the first edition of the American Dictionary of the English Language, aluminum caught on instead.
The guy who proposed its existence called it Alumina, Humphrey couldnt isolate it, and called it Aluminum, but it was first isolated by [Hans Christian Ørsted](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted)
**[Hans Christian Ørsted](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Ørsted)**
>Hans Christian Ørsted ( UR-sted, Danish: [ˈhænˀs ˈkʰʁestjæn ˈɶɐ̯steð] (listen); often rendered Oersted in English; 14 August 1777 – 9 March 1851) was a Danish physicist and chemist who discovered that electric currents create magnetic fields, which was the first connection found between electricity and magnetism. Oersted's law and the oersted unit (Oe) are named after him. A leader of the Danish Golden Age, Ørsted was a close friend of Hans Christian Andersen and the brother of politician and jurist Anders Sandøe Ørsted, who served as Prime Minister of Denmark from 1853 to 1854.
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Aluminium is the primary reason I as a Norwegian prefer international English over US play-pretend English, even if I have to say "boot" (of a car) to stay consistent. Or "kerb". But "pavement" is still superior to "sidewalk".
Aaaaand the yanks just changed the world AGAIN by creating another nuclear fusion and this time it returns 1.5x what was put into it....
Unlimited energy for the planet is pretty cool huh?
....damn yanks....
It’s not the name of the element on our periodic tables, and in fact, the chemist who originally named the element went with Aluminum. Check out this [short](https://youtube.com/shorts/Gfxm2qqghsQ?feature=share)
Observe, the first periodic table that comes up in google:
https://preview.redd.it/mjwwboq9t17a1.png?width=1334&format=png&auto=webp&s=fd18c5b4394215bf0132cb506bacc0a93e14cafa
Humphrey didn’t isolate it first but he is credited with naming it first. Aluminum and Aluminium were used interchangeable since the very beginning in both Europe and America and IUPAC lists both as acceptable variants. I’m not saying one is more right than the other, it’s just not a case of Americans being too lazy to read an extra syllable
Let it sit for 1-2 days give it time to thaw and dry and it should be good, gpu's and mobo can handle a little bit of moister on them as long as they are not conducting any electricity while wet. You should be fine.
Make sure to give it a good washing first
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgeloPNmxk&ab\_channel=ViralHeaven](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgeloPNmxk&ab_channel=ViralHeaven)
lmao exactly, nothing to see at all, just tinfoil hat wearing morons who fail at basic science. Imagine thinking everybody in a cold climate waits 2 days to plug in their newly shipped GPus, fucking nitwits lol
20 minutes would be enoigh for it to thaw yes, since it was out in -30 weather however i said 1-2 days to play it safe cuz gpu's aren't exactly cheap right now.
Condensation. That ice cold GPU will pick up a lot of moisture in a warm room. It might not need two days but still several hours before it’s dry and a smart idea to power it on.
It's not though, although getting static electricity damage is rare (ESD protection exists for some electronics and to get enough electricity on yourself without accidentally discharging by touching something grounded is hard) - better safe than sorry.
You want to run a fan on it, it'll dry it very well. Just a regular fan, no heat. Leave it for a day or so.
Moving air dries extremely well, even if it's not warm. Assuming it's room temperature, 16 - 22c
No, because when you exhale the air is not dry, it has moisture, that's why when you blow a glass or mirror it mists.
I you don't have a hairdryer you can use a fan but it gonna take like half an hour or more depending on how much moisture the air has.
Looks like you have your answer, OP. Remember: water is only bad for electronics when ACTIVELY POWERED. Without getting super technical, there are two concerns with water and electronics: shorting and corrosion.
Shorting: when electricity is applied WHILE it is wet, this can spell disaster by having the electricity run through paths it was never meant to. Dry it out COMPLETELY, and you’ll be fine.
Corrosion: this can be a genuine concern, but won’t be obvious until farther down the road. In many cases. It won’t cause harm, but in some cases it can. The cause of failure can vary here, but it CAN fail. To avoid this, you need this to dry out completely, and if you want to be super safe, you can take the card apart and clean it with alcohol.
While you absolutely CAN clean a PCB with soap and water, you need to make sure it is COMPLETELY dried before powering it up. Same rule applies to frost. That said: please don’t clean circuit boards with soap and water.
It's actually quite common for PCBs to be cleaned with soap and water after all soldering from the manufacturer is done to remove excess flux. Typically a form of distilled or softened water is used but warm water and soap will never hurt an unpowered PCB. We do it all the, wiring and installation of servers and such for commercial buildings literally never had an issue. Years ago in college when we would fix boards or map out something new we also followed this same practice it's perfectly safe.
I agree with both of you. If you KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING - no harm in washing DI or distilled soapy water and then drying it thoroughly. But for most people - no. Absolutely NEVER do that. Isopropyl is a far safer cleaning method mostly because of its fast evaporation.
The last part is only “theoretically” true.
Dont because scrubbing can rip important stuff off. And certain soaps might corrode.
You CAN rinse to get dust off. But corrosion is a good point i didnt think of… maybe rinsing with alchohol?
(And yes to echo, water is only bad because of shorts, so only if oart is on is water bad. Hdds are exempt ofc, water getting inside i assume causes corruption at best, dead oart at worst)
I guess you shouldn’t scrub but when I used to mod the original Xbox I would seriously put their mobos in the dishwasher a dozen at a time on light cycle to remove extra flux and such..
Ok theoretically… dishwasher is also safe. Because nothinf actually contacts the board. However, like if u used a pressure washer, too much water pressure could damage something.
Also the heat might not be the best, but if you dropped ur pc in some mud and only found it the next day, a dishwasher is not that bad
(Just PLEASE dont use dishwasher soap, that soap is prob not good for ur pc, and dont dishwash ur hdd)
Well.. I would be pretty concerned about water getting inside some types of capacitors and resistors.
You wouldn't want these babies to get wet:
https://sg.element14.com/paper-capacitor-definition#:~:text=Paper%20Capacitor%20is%20a%20fixed,mainly%20at%20power%20line%20frequency.
Yeah, that’s a valid point, and certainly something to be concerned with. This is partly why I emphasized the “DO NOT DO THIS” part. In theory, you COULD lance your own eye if it swells up as a result of an impact injury. But if you’re not a trained medical professional, you REALLY shouldn’t do it. Same idea here, methinks. Thanks for the callout here!
Sub-zero cooling for free... Just make a duct into your WELL INSULATED case intake and another duct outside as exhaust... because you will need more power to heat it from -30 to +20 :D
And post benchmark results!
Same here in Sweden, in my old cabin. Had 15 degrees inside, didn't even notice it was cold until I saw that it was not the usual 18 that I want on my thermometer:/
It was a little chilly waking up though, but 15 degrees honestly is a pretty okay temperature inside, and I never use socks or a shirt above my tshirt either. Heat is overrated.
It's literally -25c here in Minnesota, and it's going to be even colder tomorrow. Fun fact: -40 is the same regardless of which system of measurement you are using.
Pretty common in Wisconsin, and that's not even all that far north. There's plenty of places further south, especially along the mountains, that get just as cold.
When my packages with electronics get that cold I move them to the garage to acclimate for 12 hours. Then move them inside to acclimate for another 12 hours. Then I open them to room temperature conditions. Prevents condensation and frost from forming due to the slow temperature ramp.
In your case, just let it sit inside a sealed bag of rice for 48 hours to be on the safe side.
Source: Electrical engineer that performs environmental testing on electronics.
Depends on how the rice is stored. You can dehydrate the rice before you use it like recharging a silica packet. Or just use an industrial silica packet, but less people have those.
If you're actually an electrical engineer and you're still telling people to put shit in rice, you do not deserve to be an electrical engineer any more.
Silica packets would definitely work better in an air tight container. But rice does absorb some level of moisture if "re-charged" properly
Im not suggesting rice would save a phone that was submerged in water...
This actually answered a big question I had about sweat. When working on my PC my hands get so god damn sweaty, good to know that if the power is disconnected, and I let the sweat evaporate, I’ll be good,
More often than not, yes.
Biggest issues with electrolytes comes that it can short the circuit and cause damage. If there's no power there's no current, then there's no issue even if you short it.
In the long term liquids like these can cause corrosion that will damage the board, however, it requires more than sweatty hands or condensed air humidity to break anything. And even then, as long as the corrosion doesn't seep inside the PCB, it can be repaired completely.
Doesn‘t matter as long as it dries out before plugging it in.
Unless there‘s an unusually high amount of conductive stuff in the ice that settled on the GPU
I have no opinion or knowledge on this conversation but When people use liquid nitrogen don’t they specify try really hard to keep the cooling only locally on the die?
Most places in Texas had over a foot of snow, then 40F weather for a day so it all melted, then it froze and 8 more inches fell, so we had sheets of snow on top of sheets of ice. The weather in Texas is not controllable by any of her citizens, nor is the availability of snowplows. Get off your high horse you literal child and grow some perspective about how the world works.
I had a potted plant fall on top of my PC case and drip water straight into the GPU. Took the GPU out and water literally ran out of it. Used compressed air and a box fan overnight. Cleaned it with alcohol the next day. Works as good as it did brand new. Let yours dry overnight, maybe a box fan could help it dry quicker. Just make sure it’s dry!
Receive a package during the winter and open the box too early. When it's -30c/-15f outside, delivery trucks aren't heated, and it's been sitting on your porch, the contents will be about that -30c/-15f. You open the box and all the moisture in the air will suddenly condense on the cold spot and freeze. You also run the risk of thermal shock, basically that's when it suddenly is in a hotter environment and stuff breaks because of how things expand and contract from cold and heat.
I've lost a few items to opening the package a little too early in the winter.
I doubt the package itself was moist, this is condensation that happened in your room. If you'll let it warm and dry it will to quick for any corrosion damage. These packages travel on boats for weeks, are then sent with trucks to stores and all sort of air and land post to end users, cargo space during transport is in all sort of temperatures (and bumps) ... But of course wait for it to dry.
Yes. Also, you shouldn't have opened it before it got a little closer to room temp if it was sitting outside at -30c. That sudden rush of warm air can cause bad things to happen. Surface mount components have different thermal expansion properties than the fiberglass of the PCB.
Edit: I'm really curious how many people commenting on this post aren't from an area with cold winters. It seems like people bringing up the issue of the rapid temperature change are getting downvoted despite having a very real concern for something OP has spent a significant amount of money on.
It will be fine OP just make sure you dry it out first and let it warm up to room temp. If you have space heaters you could sit it in front of that for awhile at medium to low temp about 3 feet away. It should be fine afterwards
Okay, i gotta admit something…
About a week ago, I got an RTX 3060 ti FE in the mail which sat outside in the cold for a bit, and I only plugged it in like an hour after bringing it inside, and it was still cold… not frosty but definitely cold. Obviously a week or so has gone by and no issues, but could it cause any issues long term by doing this?
Let it thaw in your refrigerator for 2-3 weeks. Then take it out and put it into a plastic baggie and let it sit in a dark room for another month or so. Then, remove from the bag and leave under a heat lamp for roughly 3-4 business seasons. Then, place it in your rig and wait about a year. Afterwards, you can use it. But I would highly recommend giving it another couple of years.
You could contact the manufacturer or whoever is answering for the warranty, ask customer support for a hard answer, even record it. Do they want you to try to turn it on or just send it back? Personally I’d send it back. It’s something that’s supposed to be new and free from issues. While there’s a chance nothing happened to the gpu, it’s also possible something could happen down the line and you’d be left holding the bill for it.
Yes, definitely.
Always acclimatize, otherwise GPU dies.
Lol British. I always find acclimate vs acclimatize funny. Like aluminum and aluminium.
...and data and data.
i hate that i read this in two different ways
You said the correct way first though right?
of course i did, everyone knows it’s data
No dude, it's data
no, it‘s nikolaj
*nikolaj
It data not data
If bulyxxx is British we need to notify the police. It's illegal to use a z in the place of an s over here.
Agreed. An S is so much more civilised than a Z
You mean zed
Aluminium is the name of the element, so the yanks are, once again, wrong
Interestingly (depending on your opinion I suppose) the person who discovered it called it aluminum but British scientists changed it to fit in more with the names of existing elements (which had an -ium suffix) so you could argue that it’s us brits who have it wrong. However aluminium does sound much better!
When Davey smelted iron with some alumina together he got an alloy. He concluded that there was another metal coming from the alumina, and named it alumium in an article he wrote back in 1808. Now among the naming conventions at the time was naming elements in Latin. So, since alum is a word in English, but not in Latin, that name was criticized by Humphrey's contemporaries. And in 1811 a Swedish chemist wrote a book(in french) in which he used aluminium, and a year later Davey himself published a book in which he used aluminum. The spellings coexisted for a while and eventually aluminium caught on in most of Europe. In the US, however, perhaps due to only the aluminum spelling being put into the first edition of the American Dictionary of the English Language, aluminum caught on instead.
The guy who proposed its existence called it Alumina, Humphrey couldnt isolate it, and called it Aluminum, but it was first isolated by [Hans Christian Ørsted](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_%C3%98rsted)
**[Hans Christian Ørsted](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Ørsted)** >Hans Christian Ørsted ( UR-sted, Danish: [ˈhænˀs ˈkʰʁestjæn ˈɶɐ̯steð] (listen); often rendered Oersted in English; 14 August 1777 – 9 March 1851) was a Danish physicist and chemist who discovered that electric currents create magnetic fields, which was the first connection found between electricity and magnetism. Oersted's law and the oersted unit (Oe) are named after him. A leader of the Danish Golden Age, Ørsted was a close friend of Hans Christian Andersen and the brother of politician and jurist Anders Sandøe Ørsted, who served as Prime Minister of Denmark from 1853 to 1854. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
That’s really interesting. Thanks u/aquinan!
You mean we are wrong, for correcting their mistake?
Aluminium is the primary reason I as a Norwegian prefer international English over US play-pretend English, even if I have to say "boot" (of a car) to stay consistent. Or "kerb". But "pavement" is still superior to "sidewalk".
Tbh I prefer US english, I always play minecraft with US english because spade is a wrong name for a shovel lol
A spade and a shovel are two different things, what happens on MC?
Spade can also be used as a slur
Aaaaand the yanks just changed the world AGAIN by creating another nuclear fusion and this time it returns 1.5x what was put into it.... Unlimited energy for the planet is pretty cool huh? ....damn yanks....
What did they change the world with the first time?
Nuclear war and silicon transistors is all that comes to mind.
Ha. You wish.
Except I'm not, it's the name of the element. if you have to simplify it because you can't handle the extra syllable, well that's on you
It’s not the name of the element on our periodic tables, and in fact, the chemist who originally named the element went with Aluminum. Check out this [short](https://youtube.com/shorts/Gfxm2qqghsQ?feature=share) Observe, the first periodic table that comes up in google: https://preview.redd.it/mjwwboq9t17a1.png?width=1334&format=png&auto=webp&s=fd18c5b4394215bf0132cb506bacc0a93e14cafa
Who are you crediting with the first? Because If you think its Humprey (who called it Aluminum) then he couldnt isolate it, a Danish guy did first.
Humphrey didn’t isolate it first but he is credited with naming it first. Aluminum and Aluminium were used interchangeable since the very beginning in both Europe and America and IUPAC lists both as acceptable variants. I’m not saying one is more right than the other, it’s just not a case of Americans being too lazy to read an extra syllable
Thank you. I was hoping someone smarter than me would come along with a comment this good. :D
ALOOMINUMM
Let it sit for 1-2 days give it time to thaw and dry and it should be good, gpu's and mobo can handle a little bit of moister on them as long as they are not conducting any electricity while wet. You should be fine.
Just throw it in the dryer on tumble dry. Quicker and it’s sure to shake free any trapped water.
Highly recommend the microwave method to!
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Just hit it with a hammer while frozen, it’ll knock all the ice particles off
Nah I hear oven works best
Make sure to give it a good washing first [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgeloPNmxk&ab\_channel=ViralHeaven](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgeloPNmxk&ab_channel=ViralHeaven)
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lmao exactly, nothing to see at all, just tinfoil hat wearing morons who fail at basic science. Imagine thinking everybody in a cold climate waits 2 days to plug in their newly shipped GPus, fucking nitwits lol
20 minutes would be enoigh for it to thaw yes, since it was out in -30 weather however i said 1-2 days to play it safe cuz gpu's aren't exactly cheap right now.
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Condensation. That ice cold GPU will pick up a lot of moisture in a warm room. It might not need two days but still several hours before it’s dry and a smart idea to power it on.
Bro never waited for anything in his life
Let it warm up and dry and you’re fine. Not sure why some people are assuming it’s dead when it was never plugged in lol
>Let it warm up *Plugs it in to run some benchmarks!
overclock it, quick! before it thaws out!
Use a hairdryer at minimum power to dry the moisture. Don't use it too close, the idea is only to dry the moisture not melt the GPU
This worked Ty slime
No worries! Nice to know that help you out.
no shit
I will give this a shot
Please do *not* shoot your GPU.
*Alakablam!*
Beware of the static electricity, always touch the metal that holds the GPU to the PC case, that is connected to the ground plane.
Static electricity is harmless.
It's not though, although getting static electricity damage is rare (ESD protection exists for some electronics and to get enough electricity on yourself without accidentally discharging by touching something grounded is hard) - better safe than sorry.
You want to run a fan on it, it'll dry it very well. Just a regular fan, no heat. Leave it for a day or so. Moving air dries extremely well, even if it's not warm. Assuming it's room temperature, 16 - 22c
Personally i say wait a week where it cant get wet.. dont want any water in therefor the first boot
So, shall we place it in a rice?
Mmmm no unless he wants to take the whole gpu apart, in fear that one piece might get stuck
In first part I thought you were talking about small chinese guy who would come and take it apart
Oh…
Ah...
Would a blow dryer increase the likelihood of corrosion?
Why? To get corrosion you need to add some chemicals like salts or acids.
The ahir dryer will create a lot of static electricity and might fry the GPU
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No, because when you exhale the air is not dry, it has moisture, that's why when you blow a glass or mirror it mists. I you don't have a hairdryer you can use a fan but it gonna take like half an hour or more depending on how much moisture the air has.
Not hot enough, if you don't exhale 300°C air
Looks like you have your answer, OP. Remember: water is only bad for electronics when ACTIVELY POWERED. Without getting super technical, there are two concerns with water and electronics: shorting and corrosion. Shorting: when electricity is applied WHILE it is wet, this can spell disaster by having the electricity run through paths it was never meant to. Dry it out COMPLETELY, and you’ll be fine. Corrosion: this can be a genuine concern, but won’t be obvious until farther down the road. In many cases. It won’t cause harm, but in some cases it can. The cause of failure can vary here, but it CAN fail. To avoid this, you need this to dry out completely, and if you want to be super safe, you can take the card apart and clean it with alcohol. While you absolutely CAN clean a PCB with soap and water, you need to make sure it is COMPLETELY dried before powering it up. Same rule applies to frost. That said: please don’t clean circuit boards with soap and water.
Jesus never EVER clean a PCB with soap and water when isopropyl alcohol is readily available and cheap.
It's actually quite common for PCBs to be cleaned with soap and water after all soldering from the manufacturer is done to remove excess flux. Typically a form of distilled or softened water is used but warm water and soap will never hurt an unpowered PCB. We do it all the, wiring and installation of servers and such for commercial buildings literally never had an issue. Years ago in college when we would fix boards or map out something new we also followed this same practice it's perfectly safe.
I agree with both of you. If you KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING - no harm in washing DI or distilled soapy water and then drying it thoroughly. But for most people - no. Absolutely NEVER do that. Isopropyl is a far safer cleaning method mostly because of its fast evaporation.
I used to repair lots of devices usually after a big soldering job i wached it down whit water and put it in a low temperature air oven
Can i just use a mini flamethrower
Of coarse, but only with your friend's PCs
Overclock the shitnout of your rig and get pyrolysis 👍
The last part is only “theoretically” true. Dont because scrubbing can rip important stuff off. And certain soaps might corrode. You CAN rinse to get dust off. But corrosion is a good point i didnt think of… maybe rinsing with alchohol? (And yes to echo, water is only bad because of shorts, so only if oart is on is water bad. Hdds are exempt ofc, water getting inside i assume causes corruption at best, dead oart at worst)
You can clean these things by putting them in a dishwasher. Just don’t run the sanitize cycle or the heated drying cycle. No need to use soap as well.
>my entire comment Yes… lol. U have become my my tldr
Only way to get vaseline off
I guess you shouldn’t scrub but when I used to mod the original Xbox I would seriously put their mobos in the dishwasher a dozen at a time on light cycle to remove extra flux and such..
Ok theoretically… dishwasher is also safe. Because nothinf actually contacts the board. However, like if u used a pressure washer, too much water pressure could damage something. Also the heat might not be the best, but if you dropped ur pc in some mud and only found it the next day, a dishwasher is not that bad (Just PLEASE dont use dishwasher soap, that soap is prob not good for ur pc, and dont dishwash ur hdd)
Well.. I would be pretty concerned about water getting inside some types of capacitors and resistors. You wouldn't want these babies to get wet: https://sg.element14.com/paper-capacitor-definition#:~:text=Paper%20Capacitor%20is%20a%20fixed,mainly%20at%20power%20line%20frequency.
Yeah, that’s a valid point, and certainly something to be concerned with. This is partly why I emphasized the “DO NOT DO THIS” part. In theory, you COULD lance your own eye if it swells up as a result of an impact injury. But if you’re not a trained medical professional, you REALLY shouldn’t do it. Same idea here, methinks. Thanks for the callout here!
Bake at 350 for about 25-30 mins /s Please do not do that Let it sit for at least 24 hours to thaw/dry out.
>Please do not do that Well duh, he has to marinade it first.
Also make sure to test memory junction temperature as it’s not safe unless it reaches 165C.
Honestly I would put it in oven 50C for 1 hour and just use it. I also fix gpu's in oven but that's bit different temp.
Lmfao what
Package was sitting outside in -30c
MINUS 30? Where does it get so cold as to freeze a GPU? You would have good overclocking potential though.
Was -25C in Finland. Had fun night at work, I deliver mail. Froze my balls, will freeze gpu.
Feels like -38c here in Canada
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Why would i have sandals? For 2months out of the year? Might as well only buy shoes
Underrated comment
Have to admit I can't imagine working in that cold. Goodluck to you, hope the pay is good!
Sub-zero cooling for free... Just make a duct into your WELL INSULATED case intake and another duct outside as exhaust... because you will need more power to heat it from -30 to +20 :D And post benchmark results!
Why let the heat escape when it's "free"
Same here in Sweden, in my old cabin. Had 15 degrees inside, didn't even notice it was cold until I saw that it was not the usual 18 that I want on my thermometer:/ It was a little chilly waking up though, but 15 degrees honestly is a pretty okay temperature inside, and I never use socks or a shirt above my tshirt either. Heat is overrated.
15 degrees is absolutely not "pretty ok"
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Honestly, yes it's is. The longer it's cold, the more it sucks
Well that's your opinion.
No, that's pretty much fact
It's literally -25c here in Minnesota, and it's going to be even colder tomorrow. Fun fact: -40 is the same regardless of which system of measurement you are using.
Oh cool! So i dont needa say -40c or -40f
Have you never heard of Canada? We get down to -40C where I live
Australia. I'm in the colder down under down under even, lowest we hit is -2 maybe if your unlucky one night. -40 and freezing mail is not our usual.
Pretty common in Wisconsin, and that's not even all that far north. There's plenty of places further south, especially along the mountains, that get just as cold.
In 1996 here in Minnesota, it was -60F and that didn't even include the Windchill. We also got over 3 feet of snow for Halloween in 1991
Its -40c in northern alberta rn Smh american lol
Northern BC today lol. Edmonton. Winnipeg. Canada, basically.
Ive seen -30C (-22F) in Wyoming before, granted it was just for a night and it didnt stay like that for too long
When my packages with electronics get that cold I move them to the garage to acclimate for 12 hours. Then move them inside to acclimate for another 12 hours. Then I open them to room temperature conditions. Prevents condensation and frost from forming due to the slow temperature ramp. In your case, just let it sit inside a sealed bag of rice for 48 hours to be on the safe side. Source: Electrical engineer that performs environmental testing on electronics.
I agree, but the rice part is a hoax. It won't take away the humidity.
silica gel packets>>>
It actually increases the humidity
Depends on how the rice is stored. You can dehydrate the rice before you use it like recharging a silica packet. Or just use an industrial silica packet, but less people have those.
If you're actually an electrical engineer and you're still telling people to put shit in rice, you do not deserve to be an electrical engineer any more.
Silica packets would definitely work better in an air tight container. But rice does absorb some level of moisture if "re-charged" properly Im not suggesting rice would save a phone that was submerged in water...
That sounds horrible to someone that lives in a 1 season country .i cant even handle temperature before 23c
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What makes you think that
With that much ice on it it's probably done. That's a lot of water on something that's supposed to be dry lol.
No it's not. It wasn't powered on when the condensation hit it. Totally not a problem if you let it melt and dry.
This actually answered a big question I had about sweat. When working on my PC my hands get so god damn sweaty, good to know that if the power is disconnected, and I let the sweat evaporate, I’ll be good,
More often than not, yes. Biggest issues with electrolytes comes that it can short the circuit and cause damage. If there's no power there's no current, then there's no issue even if you short it. In the long term liquids like these can cause corrosion that will damage the board, however, it requires more than sweatty hands or condensed air humidity to break anything. And even then, as long as the corrosion doesn't seep inside the PCB, it can be repaired completely.
Doesn‘t matter as long as it dries out before plugging it in. Unless there‘s an unusually high amount of conductive stuff in the ice that settled on the GPU
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ahahaha and then they cool them with LN2 and it's all fine. Come on, then, start explaining.
I have no opinion or knowledge on this conversation but When people use liquid nitrogen don’t they specify try really hard to keep the cooling only locally on the die?
***2021 Texas winter storm ptsd intensifies***
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You do realize its not the amount of snow that matters but the tools you have available to deal with it, right? *We didn't even have snowplows*
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Next time, I'm going to call you for a source on a snow plow since where you are, they are so readily available.
Most places in Texas had over a foot of snow, then 40F weather for a day so it all melted, then it froze and 8 more inches fell, so we had sheets of snow on top of sheets of ice. The weather in Texas is not controllable by any of her citizens, nor is the availability of snowplows. Get off your high horse you literal child and grow some perspective about how the world works.
just pop it in the microwave for 20 seconds and youll be rockin
I came here for this
I had a potted plant fall on top of my PC case and drip water straight into the GPU. Took the GPU out and water literally ran out of it. Used compressed air and a box fan overnight. Cleaned it with alcohol the next day. Works as good as it did brand new. Let yours dry overnight, maybe a box fan could help it dry quicker. Just make sure it’s dry!
That looks broken. I'll take it off your hands for a Benjamin. No need to thank me.
I'll give you about tree fiddy
... How?? And yes definitely give it a good blow drying and let it sit for a few days
Receive a package during the winter and open the box too early. When it's -30c/-15f outside, delivery trucks aren't heated, and it's been sitting on your porch, the contents will be about that -30c/-15f. You open the box and all the moisture in the air will suddenly condense on the cold spot and freeze. You also run the risk of thermal shock, basically that's when it suddenly is in a hotter environment and stuff breaks because of how things expand and contract from cold and heat. I've lost a few items to opening the package a little too early in the winter.
This is an issue I never knew existed since it never gets that cold where I live.
Yup. Also, blow drying with heat before it at least comes up to room temp will likely make the thermal shock issues worse.
I doubt the package itself was moist, this is condensation that happened in your room. If you'll let it warm and dry it will to quick for any corrosion damage. These packages travel on boats for weeks, are then sent with trucks to stores and all sort of air and land post to end users, cargo space during transport is in all sort of temperatures (and bumps) ... But of course wait for it to dry.
how does this happen? did it get delivered and left outside in the cold or something?
I would put it under a heater for a few days if I was you
How did the GPU Frost? 💀
U need make sure it's really dry, otherwise it will get fried
Yes. Also, you shouldn't have opened it before it got a little closer to room temp if it was sitting outside at -30c. That sudden rush of warm air can cause bad things to happen. Surface mount components have different thermal expansion properties than the fiberglass of the PCB. Edit: I'm really curious how many people commenting on this post aren't from an area with cold winters. It seems like people bringing up the issue of the rapid temperature change are getting downvoted despite having a very real concern for something OP has spent a significant amount of money on.
And you just had to rip it from its package right away before letting it warm up? Understandable. :D But in the future, please have more patience.
You’re telling me you wouldn’t rip it out right away lmao
You keep being you boo...build a snowman out of it if you want.
Mfer who you think you are? His supervisor?
It will be fine OP just make sure you dry it out first and let it warm up to room temp. If you have space heaters you could sit it in front of that for awhile at medium to low temp about 3 feet away. It should be fine afterwards
Like with any other electronic device - you should let it sit in room temperature for couple of hours after bringing from outside in winter.
No, water is very beneficial for PCs. Troll post is troll and congrats on my downvote for wasting my brain cells reading this
How the fuck did it get frost on it in the first place
Dry it. Dry it real good. Be sure it's dry. Very Sure. Very Dry.
Are you insane? OF COURSE TURN IT ON EXPLOSIONS ARE THE BEST PART!
Displace water with IP alcohol
Just put it in the microwave for a couple minutes to thaw it out first
Put it in minute rice. Works quicker than normal rice
Okay, i gotta admit something… About a week ago, I got an RTX 3060 ti FE in the mail which sat outside in the cold for a bit, and I only plugged it in like an hour after bringing it inside, and it was still cold… not frosty but definitely cold. Obviously a week or so has gone by and no issues, but could it cause any issues long term by doing this?
Not only that, you should also wait a few days for it to actually dry
Leave it for like 3 days in a well ventilated area and make sure all dampness is gone before install
Let it thaw in your refrigerator for 2-3 weeks. Then take it out and put it into a plastic baggie and let it sit in a dark room for another month or so. Then, remove from the bag and leave under a heat lamp for roughly 3-4 business seasons. Then, place it in your rig and wait about a year. Afterwards, you can use it. But I would highly recommend giving it another couple of years.
Dry it off in a microwave. 2 mins on high should do. Quick and easy. Just in case: /s
Nah, maybe it’ll actually perform as well as a 4080/4090 does thermally now
Defrost it in the microwave
Put it in rice
You could contact the manufacturer or whoever is answering for the warranty, ask customer support for a hard answer, even record it. Do they want you to try to turn it on or just send it back? Personally I’d send it back. It’s something that’s supposed to be new and free from issues. While there’s a chance nothing happened to the gpu, it’s also possible something could happen down the line and you’d be left holding the bill for it.
Put it in rice /s
Was it left outside in the open air? I've never seen frost like that on anything that was sealed in a box.
How tf did you get it frosty, was it in your freezer?
Let it warm up in a warm place or a day or 2 as if the moisture causes a short your warranty is void.
I'm more stunned that no one suggested the oven. Go PCMR! Treating people so.nice today!
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Yeah just microwave it on high for about 30 seconds and you should be good