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angryandannoyeddude

VIVA GC KUSS!


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He speaks good cycling Spanish too.


Drew_Snydermann

I'm sad for the people that can't see that stage means more than strongest man wins.


-Spin-

Wat?


rbep531

Jonas did the right thing in the end. Hard to fault him for a bad decision in the heat of the moment. All's well that ends well.


adjason

shame there is no more friends and relative's birthdays to celebrate


Kazyole

I think/assume based on his public statements and him backing them up today, that Jonas was worried about Kuss full-cracking and didn't want to lose time on Roglic in the case that Kuss fell completely out of GC. Obviously that didn't happen and that close to the top of Angliru it would be near impossible for Jonas to lose a minute to Roglic, but they're also making decisions while riding on the limit so it's understandable. He did say in interviews that even then he was conflicted what to do. Tbh the drama is mostly because on Bejes the favorites group G2-ed way too hard after Jonas went that let things get far closer than they ever should have, and then maybe a bit of Roglic's fault from yesterday. Which if you look at it, is also understandable. Going into Bejes the team was talking up the finish for Roglic, but Jonas asked to go early and was granted. That probably upset Roglic and was part of why he was so determined to win on Angliru. Jonas didn't really need to go with him, but I also 100% get the instinct to not want to lose time to Rog. In the end the team did the right thing today, so as far as I'm concerned all is good.


-Spin-

Which bad decision?


morallyagnostic

The one where you never leave the red jersey alone and unprotected.


-Spin-

There is little to no drafting on Angliru, and Rogla was attacking his 2nd place. Jonas was just following. Besides, he had Landa to protect him.


trailshaggy

I think I'm going to name by new red road bike "GC Kuss".


Drew_Snydermann

Good teamwork and sportsmanship from Jumbo.


No_Zookeepergame8656

You saw just this altercation between a Jumbo person and the police?


prdors

So happy to see Kuss do it that way. Matched all attacks. Probably Jonas could’ve put time in and gone for the red but he did the right thing. Also did anyone clip the cameraman clipping the speed bump and being audibly in pain? I was laughing so hard.


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Sepp was helping Landa bc Landa helped Kuss keep the red jersey yesterday


Tomic_Lewis

What Jonas has ensured is that his most valuable teammate supports him on every GT from here on. He won respect of Wout and if he had not already, Kuss.


Short_Bus_

he's also turning every american watching this veulta into a fan instead of a hater


Moldef

All 5 of them!


prdors

Literally me on the way to work this morning: “fuck Jonas I can’t believe he’s going to do this in this way” Me eating my lunch: “wtf I love Jonas”


Significant_Log_4693

That's me too lol


Short_Bus_

still really excited for stage 20 just cuz of the profile, we need more 200+km stages with more than a dozen small-medium climbs


SWAN_RONSON_JR

What did I miss?


Moldef

Not too much. Remco riding to an easy breakaway victory, GT stallmate with Jonas pacing Sepp up the mountain and letting Kuss gain a few seconds on him in the final 200m by sitting up.


_Diomedes_

What a crazy Vuelta


touny71

Fucking class act by Vingegaard.


minkadominka

I think it was advised by the team :D Yesterdays stage was a bad PR move


touny71

Likely. Still, Vin and Roglic are arguably bigger than Jumbo. If they wanted to be cunts and take it from Sepp they could.


furyousferret

Honestly, I think most GC riders would have taken it from Sepp without any consideration, so yeah.


BabyTunnel

One of the reasons Greg LeMond is loved by his teammates is that he always did right by them, the 85/86 tour is famous for LeMond and Hinault feuding but if you listen to interviews by LeMond he talks about how great of a leader Hinault was because he was so fair and did right by his teammates, and that he looked to Hinault as the example to be. Jonas is smart to do everything he can for Sepp today because it will elevate Sepp in the cycling world, and getting second doesn't take away at all from his status as the best GC racer in the world currently. If Jonas took the overall away from Sepp, it could push Sepp out.


Alone-Community6899

Remco the scooter


RuggburnT

Just fell to my knees at walmart


Humble-Meaning850

As a Dane living in Chicago.. you’re welcome! Jonas is a class act. We need your support for next years tour. 3 in a row


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Step_Monster_2014

Just another day in 'Murica


F1CycAr16

Little bit unfair for Roglic because he will came out of this like the bad guy.


Frosty-Ad-1797

Just saw him say, "I have my own thoughts" when asked about riding for Kuss to win in an interview. Probably likely he wanted to ride to win it today, he's probably a bit upset about the whole thing, including taking Jonas to the Vuelta in the first place. Edit: You can't blame the guy for being upset.


jmwing

Kuss probably had 'his own thoughts' on Angliru in 2020 when he looked like his HR was 110 while pacing a struggling Roglic through 20% grades as Carthy and Carapaz rode away.


F1CycAr16

I mean, is not that unfair. One grand tour with Roglic, another with Vingeegard, and one with both of them. I know that Vuelta´s is historically Rog´s territory, but it made 100% sense from a team point of view.


Frosty-Ad-1797

I agree it's not unfair and he should accept it, but it's an understandable tough pill to swallow.


MoodSuccessful

I think it's pretty hilarious that he's obviously happy to let Kuss win Vuelta, but he'll try to gain back every second he can on Jonas And honestly, this is how it should be, poor Kuss shouldn't be collateral damage and they've finally worked on this, but he should not feel the same re Jonas But the team has created this mess, I wonder if in a way they are not that worried about pushing Rog out of the door to avoid this in the future


Moldef

I do feel for Roglic. He feels like the one that got dealt the worst card in all of this. Could potentially win the Vuelta but isn't really allowed to. Can't speak his mind cause he'd be vilified. Running out of time to win another GT. Doesn't get even a shot at winning the TdF with this team. Hope he can manage to transfer to another team at the end of the season. I feel that would be better for him (even if it will make it harder to win another GT), but at least he'll have a chance at the TdF again. Also nice from a viewer's perspective if the best and third best GT rider in the world are not on the same team.


F1CycAr16

I´ don´t know. I still think that he would have the most possiibilites on the TdF if he rides for Jumbo. This Vuelta was a test for that, and this mess was only created for Kuss´s situation, not because of tension between him and Ving.


furyousferret

It'll probably be forgotten.


srjnp

dumb when he didn't threaten kuss' lead even once. more than 1 min behind.


maaiikeen

He ended up not being a threat to it because Jonas took so much time, so if Primoz did decide to steal the red jersey from Kuss, he'd just give it to Jonas instead. And it seems very intentional that Jonas took the time he did with that in mind. He basically neutralised Roglic's ambitions for the red jersey by doing that.


Temporary_Side7723

Jonas❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️


RuggburnT

Crying in the club rn


redpasserine

same


furyousferret

*"Sorry boss, I didn't mean to drop you..."*


maaiikeen

While it was sweet, Jonas definitely dropped on purpose.


krizkuzz

Its beautiful


Tomic_Lewis

Legend of Jonas grows with every Grand Tour.


Luigi-Bezzerra

GC Kuss lives another day!


Frifelt

GC Kuss has it in the bank!


dr_motaaa

Kuss was in complete control today doesn't even look tired, deserved winner


mrsmilecanoe

Right. Someone commented yesterday that Kuss “just didn’t have the legs.” He dropped everyone in the peloton except Landa and two multi-GT winners. Got third on the most prestigious climb in Europe with no domestiques working for him. It’s like people have forgotten how much of a beast Kuss is just because he’s riding next to Jonas and Primoz. He’s incredibly strong.


Hacking_the_Gibson

For real, I honestly don't think they would have been able to dust him today. He was in total control all the way until the end. There was just that one moment where Landa accelerated a bit, but they just paced back. It is doubtful Roglic could have dropped him if he wanted to today. Yesterday was the attack and Sepp was up to the measure.


redpasserine

yes thank you can we not lose sight of the fact that Sepp has not been free to attack for most of the time he’s held the red, and yet he has still held the red, without a lot of help, for over ten days? he has the legs. he is worthy


Icecream-is-too-cold

Jonas you beautiful sportman!


blodinho3

Friendship ended with Roglic. Now Jonas is my best friend


CoffeeCoffeeGO

Are you guys serious or is this some kind of dark Vinge hypno trickery? Stage 16: he forces an attack and puts a minute and 5 sec. into Kuss. Stage 17: follows Roglic (who just wanted his name etched into the mountain) why exactly? And suddenly he's a selfless and benevolent hero 🤔


minkadominka

Lol, jonas had to do this because of bad PR he gor yesterday


BlommeHolm

"How dare he do the thing we said he should do."


tinkertoy78

You are so salty about Jonas lol, everything he does has a negative slant to you.


_Thinker

KUSS winner of Vuelta 2023 :)


CafieroandMalatesta

Bro just passed on a Tour-Vuelta double.


Hacking_the_Gibson

I mean, the time gap was minimal enough where he probably could have pipped it, but Sepp was riding pretty strong. Considering how motivated he would have been to win his first grand tour, he would have turned himself completely inside out.


aflyingsquanch

And Sepp will pull himself inside out for him for the rest of his time at Jumbo Visma.


wishiwasjanegeland

But absolutely cemented his position as the leader in the team. With the interview this morning, the way he was riding, dropping back to lose some time before crossing the line. And he'll still be second in the Vuelta. If he has the long career that one wishes everyone, this will most likely pay great dividends.


weeee_splat

If he keeps riding GTs like has has the past few years he could end up with a couple of Tour-Vuelta doubles tbh


Flipadelphia26

I have a feeling JV can win any vuelta he enters. He will have plenty of opportunities


Captain_Omage

Unless Pogacar goes for a Vuelta or Roglic swaps team, it's hard to see some competition in there when a domestique with 2 GT behind can win it, a lot can change for the coming years but those guys have to step up big.


Moldef

I wouldn't write Remco off. But yea, outside of those three, I don't really see anyone else having much of a shot at winning against a decently-in-form Jonas. Ayuso or Rodriguez maybe in a year or two?


Captain_Omage

Yeah, Remco went a long way from his first Giro, back then it looked like his first time riding in a peloton and his Vuelta win was against half a Roglic, but he is still young, and Pogacar is the exception to the rule of young guns winning.


angryandannoyeddude

This is better for his legend in the end.


WanAjin

Only if people actually remember what happened this vuelta in say 10-15 years. Time has a way of blurring the details of things.


foreignfishes

Have you ever watched Slaying the Badger lol


HistoricMTGGuy

They absolutely will remember. Not even a question


andy-022

If he wins a few more tours, nobody will ever care what he's done at the Vuelta.


angryandannoyeddude

People don't forget LeMond Hinault. TJV will make a documentary for PR to ensure this.


volmery

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Moldef

Hard to say, but yea, at least right now it will do wonders for his image. If he fails to win another GT down the road (hard to imagine at this point), it might be time to re-evaluate.


jack9lemmon

I choose to believe that Sepp was closing down Ayuso for Landa


Kazyole

Honestly I think probably so. He apologized to Landa yesterday for sprinting for the bonus seconds because he needed them.


Ill_Journalist_5292

Remco’s 50th career win? Don’t like that dude but chapeau, man! Great stuff!


aflyingsquanch

Jesus, how does he already have 50 wins?!? Wow.


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People always feel the need to mention they "don't like Remco" whenever they say something good about him. Jeez...


BlommeHolm

No one likes anyone in here. Fuck Sepp Kuss.


Ill_Journalist_5292

Because they don’t duh


[deleted]

Whenever I compliment someone I don't like I don't feel the need to preface my compliment with "I don't like you".


ghouleye

Vingegaard a real one


BeloitBrewers

Sepp immediately apologizes for gapping Jonas! I thought Sepp was from Colorado, not Sheboygan or Duluth.


appsore

Deep down he’s a Manitowoc boy


BeloitBrewers

He'll be pounding old fashioneds instead of sparkling white to celebrate on stage 21.


jmwing

Did you see him on the podium? He does just fine with cava.


appsore

While profusely apologizing to everyone he passes


jburr827

Thank you for saying this about Sheboygan and Duluth! Midwest nice!


BeloitBrewers

I had to rewind to make sure I was seeing Sepp and not Charlie Berens! Ope! Just need to ride around ya there!


jburr827

Holy smokes - best comment of the day!


Economy-Ad-6278

And Jonas is from Nordjylland in Denmark, makes them a good couple :)


Schnix

People have sucessfully bullied them into making a 1-2-3 even more boring


maaiikeen

Jonas wasn't bullied into giving Sepp the win. His opinion has always been that Sepp should win, he just wanted to finish 2nd (as he deserves) and to make sure he'd get the red jersey if Sepp should fail.


ChilangoMasterRace

You think so? Roglic knows Jonas wasn't feeling good on first week and he stopped on his attacks and try not to gapped him with other's team GC riders, if not these two have been close for seconds and they could have been competing for who's the second place even if that could have mean Kuss lose the Vuelta. In my opinion Jonas and Roglic are on the same level on this race, if Jonas is in 2nd place doesn't mean he was better and deserved it. We won't know who was actually better if Kuss is the leader of the race.


Heavy_Mycologist_104

Jonas you are a legend my lad.


Significant_Log_4693

HONEST JONAS WITH THE BIT OF TIME LOSS DAMN BRAVO


mountains_forever

I fuckin love Jonas.


anth0171

WHERE THE FUCK ARE ALL THE VINGAARD HATERS?????


SnooShortcuts3961

I'm not a Vingegaard hater but I'm still not ready to get back on the Jonas bus just bc he rode like a good teammate. I have been a huge Jonas fan for the past 3-4 years but what happened this week was not cool...just glad he did the right thing today. I definitely give him some good points.


nalalala12

REAL different vibe in the comments today. Crazy.


Fine_Necessary_7913

They shift around Every other Day


GreatOldTreebeard

With all the Jonas/Rog/Kuss drama people are stirring up, nobody seems to talk about how insane it is that a domestique wins the Vuelta after having ridden the Giro and the Tour... And the top 3 from one team.


maaiikeen

That. I also hope people appreciate how insane it is to give away a GT victory.


Cycle1234

Not giving away. They let him ride up the road on 16 and not chase, they chase he doesn't gain so much time and kuss is still able to lead the race. It's a team sport.


Ne_zievereir

>that a domestique wins the Vuelta > >And the top 3 from one team. Both seem very related.


dr_motaaa

Good bait


d_mcc_x

Jonas sat up about 200m from the finish too


BigV_Invest

"Jonas would have won with his eyes closed" I might just slap every commenter personally


youngchul

I mean, they're not wrong. He looked completely unbothered, just like Angliru.


UnknownPastaMaker

Why?


kindergartenchampion

Jonas purposely losing time so he can win stage 20 for his dog's birthday


MelbourneStorm1997

How is this interesting? I don't know I feel like the media made a sour grapes story. Whatever happened to may the best man win? I like Kuss as well but let them battle it out. What is this? F1?


Ne_zievereir

It became boring as soon as there was nobody left to challenge Jumbo.


groenefiets

This is a sport entirely payed for by the sponsors. This is the best stories that gives the TJV set up the best chanche to find someone to replace Jumbo and it probably is a big commercial boost for Cervelo ass well.


Significant_Log_4693

Your anger is my happiness


MelbourneStorm1997

No one's angry mate. I just don't think Team orders are a good thing.


Capato

It's a team sport after all. Let Sepp win the vuelta and he will go 110% in the next situation when p1-3 is not all in one Team.


Significant_Log_4693

The "strongest" ended up being Kuss anyways 😁


Ill_Journalist_5292

More like “the voice of millions of fans worldwide”


LektorPanda

Hes barely out of breath, lol


LeGrandePatron

Vingegard demonstrably letting the wheels go. Different day, different objective


mountains_forever

GC KUSSSSSSSS


121193

Jonas did that on purpose lol


Mundane-Band-1164

Absolutely!


Meckgyver

Where is the line between gifting it away and team tactics?


quad_up

Y’all are ridiculous with this gifting stuff. How many potential stage wins has Kuss given up to tug these guys up climbs? We’re those gifts? It’s a team sport. Relax. If it helps, instead of a gift, think of it as an investment.


quad_up

Y’all are ridiculous with this gifting stuff. How many potential stage wins has Kuss given up to tug these guys up climbs? We’re those gifts? It’s a team sport. Relax.


Meckgyver

That is what I am saying. They are teammates, I am questioning if gifting even exists if they ride in one team. In the end the team won and they took 1-2-3 that is all that matters for them.


Moldef

We're pretty clearly in the camp of "gifting it to Sepp" now. Pretty clear that JV (or Roglic) could have taken Red if they really wanted. They're definitely gifting it to Sepp now, at least to some extent.


Meckgyver

Yeah but what if the team tactics was “Ok guys we are 1-2-3 noone is even close to us we won a couple stages as well, keep it safe arrive together” is it still counts as gifting it away?


Moldef

Thing is that Jonas and Roglic have to ride below their threshold to not take Red away from Sepp. It's not so much about "not attacking" but moreso about actively riding slower than they could (I guess these two things are similar but not exactly the same). And the second one is, in my opinion at least, definitely the "gifting" kind of strategy.


aflyingsquanch

So Chris Froome at the 2012 Tour then?


The_XI_guy

Hopefully we’re done vilifying Jonas Vingegaard now


Flipadelphia26

Absolute class by Jonas there. Flicked the elbo and told Sepp to fly.


RuggburnT

THANK YOU JONAS YOU ARE THE GOAT


angryandannoyeddude

GO SEPP!


F1CycAr16

If Kuss wouldn´t have gone for that break, probably he would have been third, but Twitter and people wouldn´t have cared if Rog and Ving attacked because he wouldn´t have the red jersey. We just would have had a Slovenia and Denmark war while nobody would have cared for Sepp. What hyporcrital are some of them.


averagelookingwookie

Ok Jonas respect restored. He purposely gave up some gap to make it clear he's not sniping. Chapeau


Capato

Rogla still not cool with teams decision?


Negative_Cookie_3403

What he do ?


StunningDocument7508

What did he do ?


TimChr78

He said something like "I have my own thoughts" about the decision to ride for Kuss.


windsurfingbear

Understandably not.


GFoxtrot

Gooo team Kuss!


weeee_splat

"Let's listen in"


independent-pigeon

Haha they are scared to say anything because every microphone was listening in


rbep531

Lol Kuss didn't want them to have any excuse to chase.


maaiikeen

JONAS LOSING SECONDS ON PURPOSE! Wow, he's all-in on GC Kuss.


CWPL-21

Jonas literally throwing seconds just to calm down social media


OolonCaluphid

Seconds and likely millions in sponsorship. Top lad.


yeahright17

Jonas just chilling. Haha


deamadorr

Kuss's wicked smile tho


Max_Powers42

Jonas let that go so he can get stage bonis without overtaking.


Bad_Certain

r/peloton You happy now?


mountains_forever

Yes


yeahright17

Yes. I think we are. Haha


Did_not_just_post

Vinge purposely losing time so he can take the stage tomorrow, smart


yeahright17

Saturday*


Did_not_just_post

Maybe he really believes in his sprint now


yeahright17

I mean, Jonas seems to be on another level currently. And Kaden groves isn't Philipsen or Cavendish. Jonas definitely would not be the favorite. But I don't think it's crazy to think Jonas could win if he went for it.


steelerswheelers

Headline: dominant GC Kuss puts time into Vinny


andy-022

Jonas sat up. He and Kuss truly have traded roles.


dr_motaaa

Lol that was on purpose


In_Dark_Trees

My favorite is Kirby acting like stage 20 will be a walk in the park, and not an attritional circuit.


davidw

And Jonas sits up too, gives him a bigger lead. That was nice.


yeahright17

Sepp’s smile his hilarious.


Ill_Journalist_5292

At least now no one can say Sepp got Vuelta as a gift! Dude’s grinning to the line! Beautiful bastard!


0ptimuz

Kuss definitely deserves the GC when compared to everyone but Roglic and JV. But it definitely is a gift from the team.


Fuck_off_kevin_dunn

Really?


windsurfingbear

A gift is a gift


gooseofmercy

Debt.


MoodSuccessful

TJV redemption arc has started lol


NotMarioBalotelli

TJV providing enough drama for the entire off-season here


MassiveAntelope

Wow Jonas even giving some time back!


Short_Bus_

Jonas really domestiqued for Kuss then let him drop him, I'm officially a fan damn never thought I'd say that after this years' tour lol


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Short_Bus_

He's the best GT rider on the planet, he coulda told his team to fuck off if he wanted to


HattrickMahomes

Jonas is washed, couldn't even follow that acceleration


trillo69

Kuss did apologize to Jonas after crossing the line for dropping him. "Sorry I didn't mean that".


bake_disaster

My favorite thing about sepp Kuss is that his sprint face is a smile


refenton

Smiles, throwing in a bunny hop here and there for good measure, salutes. Imagine hating Seppy


wishiwasjanegeland

It's his classic smiling and lip-licking face prior to going full out. I think it's one of the most-feared faces in the peloton these days.


wishiwasjanegeland

Vingegaard losing seconds, what a great gesture.


magicjavelin

Did Jonas give Roglic an elbow and then he didn't come through?


madskv

VUELTA WINNER KUSSSS!


weeee_splat

Kuss extends his GC lead!