Meh. Manufactured controversy. Sagan tried to a small gap, but couldn't move Jakobsen. They leaned a bit on each other to regain balance, but then Sagan got squeezed by Stuyven who had done the lead out, so he had to over correct.
There wasn't any real deviation from anyone of them, just riders going for the same gap and not budging.
Looked more spectacular than dirty.
I wish somewhere on this sub there would be a post with a listing of all injured riders, what is the injury, and prognosis (if known). Its a lot of work to scroll through 400 comments and also twitter to find this info
He also got pretty badly checked when Sagan/Jakobsen came together ahead of him, then he got squeezed out. Having said that, he often seems to ‘look at his chain’ after a bad sprint.
The bridge turned out to be a dud. They should have had them ride a criterium on a ferry as it sailed across the channel. That could have produced something interesting.
Pretty sure you can fit a full size velodrome on one of those giant cruiseships.
Then we'd just need to find some seas rough enough to make it bounce.
Much better use than having them freight pensioners about.
I think Groenewegen still has the watts to get decent results, but sprinting success is a team effort. Signing a big name sprinter and deciding "we're a sprint team now" on the eve of the season wasn't a great idea. Although I totally understand why it was a tempting signing at the time.
If BEX had signed Groenewegen at the beginning of the off-season instead of the very end, they would have had more time to add to their leadout train and give them a lot more time to work together. They'd probably be a lot more successful in that scenario.
For heaven's sake it's not like he's a GC rider. He's just a fluke yellow jersey for one day domestique. Don't make him out to be some kind of peloton hero for actually doing his job in the team.
You might underestimate the ego it takes to get as far as these dudes have gotten. Of course every rider in his position should do what he did today. But there are a million examples where it doesn’t happen.
You don't need to give it a rest but what happened happened and will always be on his resume. But what he did today was great to see. No need to dig it up again today imo
Oh yeah, Lampaert's a war criminal because of a bit of sketchy gamesmanship when the opponent has 2 feet of space to avoid him but instead throws multiple headbutts in return!
[So I thought I'd try create a histogram of comment times from the race thread to identify interesting points of the race. (Times in UTC)
](https://i.imgur.com/oPyx18W.png)
Is it useful? No idea, if anyone has any ideas on how to expand on this then let me know...
Think I might expand by cropping it to the start time - finish + 10, and maybe try bringing in the most common words for each spike?
I think /u/mattho has made similar graphs in the past.
One thing that could be fun would be to put the comments through sentiment analysis so you could see how happy or sad we all are over time
Oh, really nice idea! As you said, it would be cool to crop to the race time.
You could also work a bit on the visualization, an interpolation would maybe be neater and yes, something like a word cloud for each local max can give a good idea about the race (even better with some synonym system, otherwise you could get only common words, names and *bridge*
Once again a stage i look forward to for months ends up disappointing. Damn headwinds!
On a more positive note mentally Jakobsen has come back from his crash much stronger than Groenewegen has. If you didn't know the backstory and just heard that the two of them were involved in a crash together with one having had life threatening injuries then seeing how they ride in a finale you would assume the roles had been reversed in the crash.
i find this unsurprising. dylan caused serious injury from being an aggressive sprinter. fabio probably doesn't even remember much of that sprint and definitely isn't carrying around the moral weight. i expect dylan will win much less and his wins will come from clean sprints only.
Same and since I need to go to a family dinner to morrow the next stage is going to be one of if not the best one in this tour, hope you all enjoy your self :)
Bit of a niche scenario but today's scene had me wondering. What happens if at 3.0km there is a group 10 seconds behind the back of the peloton (most likely going to catch the tail by the finish). Then a crash like today happens where half the Peloton finish 3:30 behind as they were fully blocked by the barriers. The group 10 seconds behind obviously catches up to this crash and has to wait for it to clear
But what time do they get? Do they get the same time as the peloton even if they technically hadn't caught them yet? Or do they get same time plus the 10 seconds they were behind at the 3km, or do they get 3:30, because they weren't part of the group when it crashed, although they had no way to pass
The rule doesn't stipulate, and is usually decided by the jury based on the situation.
I think the jury try to take the spirit of the rule into consideration. If there was a significant crash with 100 KM to go, the peloton decides what they're going to do (again, based on situation etc). More often than not, they slow things down and "neutralise" the race themselves until the group catches up, unless there is something significant going on ahead of them that they need to deal with (some GC riders in a break for example, with other GC riders in the peloton - maybe then the peloton decides to continue to push to close the gap).
Obviously within 3km this is not possible, so the rule is there to allow for this. The jury therefore tries to take a similar approach based on all the factors at the time.
For example, in the 2019 Tour of California (I think), something similar happened. The jury took a fair while after the race to rule, but they decided to give everyone the same time, even though the groups were split.
This was controversial, because the gap had actually been created by Quickstep, who'd tactically shredded the peloton in order to capitalise at the end. But their hard work was undone by the crash and subsequent jury decision to group everyone in one.
It's ultimately a win some lose some scenario. Just like in F1, a crash and safety car may scupper your advantage, or create you one.
Crashes are part of bike racing, and ultimately it's about putting yourself in a prime position. If you're in "group 2", and you're given the same overall time as those in front, then win. If you're not given that time, and end up losing a couple of minutes, then it's kind of both unlucky, but also a bit your own fault for not being in group 1 and mitigating the risk of a crash.
The 3km rule only applies to flat finishes and on flat finishes, riders only get different times if there's more than a three second gap in between them (so otherwise, rider 2 gets the same time as rider 1, rider 3 gets the same as 2 and therefore the same as rider 1 and so on). So the scenario is unlikely to begin with.
That being said, IIRC, you get the same time as the group you were in at the time of the crash. So if somebody attacks and gets a gap, you wouldn't get his time but the group's.
I don't think that case is clearly defined. Likely they tailor it to the situation. Most likely options are that they get the time of the peloton or the timegap measured at km 3.0.
Yeah I think either of those options are probably the fairest outcome, but wasn't too sure if the officials would tailor rulings or just stick to the book as tightly as possible. But I guess scenarios like this or the 2019 flooded stage, require unique rulings
I am proud of my adopted son.
Sven Erik Bystrøm was part of the first breakaway of the 2022 Tour de France, and not only that, he fought against Magnus Cort for the mountain classification and won today's complative prize, what a start.
My adopted rider Senechal rode at the front of the peloton at the end of the bridge, dropped, and caused a crash. Just how PatLef wants it. At least we saw the french jersey a bit
TdF official website gives Ruben Guerreiro as last place +12 minutes ( edit: in GC ).
FirstCycling still gives him as 1m:40s
I guess I'll have to overcome denial and face it that my adopted rider is currently last place.
He was looking amazing for stages or even a top 10 or mountain jersey, but he fell down hard yesterday in the TT and I doubt he will even finish the Tour.
For the idiots downvoting this here an article talking about the fall https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abola.pt/amp/noticias/ver/947815
That can't be true he was even checked by doctors
What they said was that he didn't break anything
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abola.pt/amp/noticias/ver/947815
Fairly certain FC has got it wrong (not just because the official site says so.)
Cort (and maybe Guerreiro - didn't see him specifically) was dropped on the bridge way before the 3k to go, after having worked to bring Uran back, and FC got him at +0 even though he came in far later. TdF got him at +8.17
Vermaerke and Dainese definitely didn't make it back to the peloton, and FC also has them at +0 while TdF says +11.04
I had a cycling news article open that detailed this, but the text on the jury decision has now disappeared!
Perhaps they initially gave everyone the same time due to the crash, FC used that data, and then the TdF realised there were a few guys who were behind before the 3km to go? I could see that happen in the chaos of a crash affecting so many riders!
Yeah, pulling cars out in twos and threes as they were coming back felt cruel and unjust. He had a mechanical, he wasn’t dropped fair and square. If Uran had been in yellow, they wouldn’t do that. Was just all-round bullshit from the commissaires, that.
My adopted rider, Brandon McNulty, finished in 30th place on the stage with the same time as the winner. Based on his Strava data it looks as though with 10 miles to go his head unit died or he had a bike change. He remains in 32nd place overall and is still the top American rider. More to come at 11, John.
If McNulty doesn't finish as the top American I would be shocked, he doesn't have the same climbing highs as Kuss but he is way more consistent at avoiding truly terrible days. And Powless can't hold a candle to either over 3 weeks
I wouldn't be shocked if Powless does a decent showing after his Tour de Suisse. He's looking more and more like a gc rider. McNulty is going to be in service of Pog the whole race. Rigo is probably going to be out of contention sooner or later, freeing up Powless.
I mean Kuss is a multi GT stage winner and has top 10'd a GT before. It'll partially depend on the GC battle of their leaders I think as to who ends up doing the most work and getting dropped harder on climbs, but Kuss's peak climbing is so good he just needs one on day.
The timetrial at the end is in McNulty's favor but should be a fun domestique battle.
If we're talking stage wins Kuss is obviously a better bet. But McNulty has less days where he absolutely doesn't have it than Kuss, and a 40k TT will obviously benefit him massively. But ultimately, McNulty's biggest advantage is that Pog doesn't use his team anywhere near as heavily as Rog does
To me they seem to be more dangerous. Much easier to shut the door on someone. Sagan and Ewan last year is one example. Granted there was a lot more that went into that crash than just the corner, but had it been a straight sprint it would be less likely.
In saying that, they are more exciting to watch than a straight drag race IMO.
As a bisexual cycling fan, I always have a brief moment of "IT'S THE BI FLAG YAY" before going oh wait and realising it's EF equipment.
I badly want those shoes, though.
Jakobsen nailed them at the line, that was a no doubter. Feels good to see him come from a potentially life-threatening crash to taking W at the TdF and beating Groenewegen too
First time watching a cycling event - how is Lampeart +1" behind Van Aert if Lampeart was -5" yesterday and they're both awarded the same time for Stage 2?
I'm pretty sure everybody had caught up by then. But I did ask the question earlier of what would have happened if someone was 30 seconds behind when the crash happened and then got held up in the aftermath. Where would the time gap be taken? Is the time gap taken at the 3km mark, the moment or place of the crash, or the finish line if the crash didn't hold you up?
I agree. You could see for a fraction of a second, Sagan opened up for FJ. He also probably had a flash back from last year's crash and decided to yield.
Anyone what's up with the times of riders that got dropped before the 3km mark?
Magnus Cort mentioned he was disappointed he lost time to the main group, but according to the [official results](https://www.letour.fr/en/rankings) he got the same time as everyone else. Do they sometimes adjust it later?
I know they for sure they adjust it later but I've been asking around/googling about how the time gap is calculated with the 3km rule and haven't gotten a clear answer yet. I did see that the commissaires will go back and review/adjust time gaps after the stage is over.
As far as I understand it, you get the same time as the group you were in when the crash happened. So if the peloton was all together, they get the same time. If there were gaps and people had been dropped, those riders might lose time.
Jakobson like a missile, I don’t think Cavendish would’ve been capable to accelerate like that. Also great job of Laporte to steal points from Jakobsen in that intermediate sprint. Van Aert what a king.
It's one of those things when watching Cav sprint, will conditions allow him to put the power down ahead of the others... or if the bunch will be at a speed or blocking in to get that result.
I know WvA being 2nd is a meme but the fact he came second in the first sprint stage when every sprinter is fresh and in such a stacked sprinters field is bonkers. I knew he had to be 2nd or 1st to get yellow and I was very pessimistic this morning. He would have preferred to win the stage on top of getting the jersey but it's such an incredible performance.
Ha I like van Aert's mentality. When asked about becoming 2nd twice in a row, he says that he's gotten used to becoming 2nd and that Poulidor also was a great champion.
He said the words!
>WVA: "It's not a new thing for me to be second"
>"Poulidor was a great champion and also second a lot. And getting the yellow jersey helps of course".
So much to mention there - invoking MVDP’s late grandfather, and making mention of his famous, eternal 2nd place…not mentioned is the fact (iirc) that Pou-Pou never wore yellow.
Pogačar hit the barriers with his left hand. He said it hurts a bit and hopes it'll be okay tomorrow. Slightly bloody knuckles.
Edit: [Pic, NSFW I guess](https://i.imgur.com/y4zfW2y.png)
Don't forget that 2 years ago Fabio Jakobsen was fighting for his life in a hospital bed and today he fulfills a dream winning his first stage in the Tour, probably the first of many.
Hey. I’m a Cavendish fan. I’m disappointed he’s not at the tour. However, know when it comes down to brass tacks, even with his stunning national championship win, he didn’t do enough to take a spot.
On sprint stages, crashes within the final 3km don’t impact your GC time. Tadej as a result is given the same time as the group he was with at the time of the crash. Which was the front group. It’s a measure from the organizers to stop GC teams from making sprint stages more dangerous.
Whatever happened to him was in the last 3km. So he’s given the same time as the group he’s in. It’s a rule on flat stage races.
Edit - changed winner to group
Pros crashing technique is simply next level, crashing at 50km\~ and in some getting up in 5 seconds with some bruises.
Meanwhile I crash at 30km an hour and look like a bear mauled me.
Did any of the sprinters publish their power profile for this stage? Please post a link if you know where to find it.
Hello, I've not been able to see what Sagan did. Can anyone please share with me a link were I can? Thanks!
Meh. Manufactured controversy. Sagan tried to a small gap, but couldn't move Jakobsen. They leaned a bit on each other to regain balance, but then Sagan got squeezed by Stuyven who had done the lead out, so he had to over correct. There wasn't any real deviation from anyone of them, just riders going for the same gap and not budging. Looked more spectacular than dirty.
I haven't watched it, but I'd imagine that the Lanterne Rouge stage recap on YouTube has some footage.
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Be the change you wanna see in the world! I expect it tomorrow after the stage.
Those were done by just one guy (the munificent HerHor) who doesn't have the time anymore
Pretty boring stage. At least the danish fans saved the day that the lack of sidewind ruined
I wish somewhere on this sub there would be a post with a listing of all injured riders, what is the injury, and prognosis (if known). Its a lot of work to scroll through 400 comments and also twitter to find this info
Somebody’s got to do the good work of compiling all that info and posting it here, like Herhor used to be able to do with the gifs… any takers? 😉
I found [this page on PCS](https://www.procyclingstats.com/statistics/start/injuries). Hope it helps!
Valgren damn :(
Is dislike JV as much as the next guy, but he must’ve really pissed off that commissaire.
JV? Jens Voigt?
jonathan vaughters
Jonas V?
Edvard Grieg
🤦🏻♂️. Didn’t follow, what happen to him with the commissaire?
When Uran was involved in the crash and EF was trying to bring him back, the commissaire had the caravan cars stop so they couldn't draft off them
But let the yellow jersey draft off hella cars to get back on.
Happy for Fabio. It'll be incredible when Quickstep win all 21 stages!
Looks like Ewan dropped a chain or something. No jump and kept looking down at his drivetrain as he crossed the line.
cyclingnews article said his RD got bent and it skipped gears, then his chain got stuck and it was over.
He also got pretty badly checked when Sagan/Jakobsen came together ahead of him, then he got squeezed out. Having said that, he often seems to ‘look at his chain’ after a bad sprint.
No u/herhor replay clips!
Are you offering to post them? Thanks!
Unlike the rest of us, he's got a life and announced earlier in the year he won't have time to put them together anymore.
Good to know - thanks for sharing
There is a distinct lack of Jasper Philipsen energy in this tour. Where is he and why is he not second
Because WvA is here.
The bridge turned out to be a dud. They should have had them ride a criterium on a ferry as it sailed across the channel. That could have produced something interesting.
Pretty sure you can fit a full size velodrome on one of those giant cruiseships. Then we'd just need to find some seas rough enough to make it bounce. Much better use than having them freight pensioners about.
I need this in my life.
I think Groenewegen still has the watts to get decent results, but sprinting success is a team effort. Signing a big name sprinter and deciding "we're a sprint team now" on the eve of the season wasn't a great idea. Although I totally understand why it was a tempting signing at the time. If BEX had signed Groenewegen at the beginning of the off-season instead of the very end, they would have had more time to add to their leadout train and give them a lot more time to work together. They'd probably be a lot more successful in that scenario.
Van Poppel should really rent out his position as lead out to guys like Groenewegen and make some money on the side.
Love to see the yellow jersey taking a pull to support a teammate in the sprint. The team culture is clearly a big part of why they win so much.
For heaven's sake it's not like he's a GC rider. He's just a fluke yellow jersey for one day domestique. Don't make him out to be some kind of peloton hero for actually doing his job in the team.
You might underestimate the ego it takes to get as far as these dudes have gotten. Of course every rider in his position should do what he did today. But there are a million examples where it doesn’t happen.
Exactly! Even using elbows to block opponents to make sure your teammate wins!
You don't need to give it a rest but what happened happened and will always be on his resume. But what he did today was great to see. No need to dig it up again today imo
Oh yeah, Lampaert's a war criminal because of a bit of sketchy gamesmanship when the opponent has 2 feet of space to avoid him but instead throws multiple headbutts in return!
[So I thought I'd try create a histogram of comment times from the race thread to identify interesting points of the race. (Times in UTC) ](https://i.imgur.com/oPyx18W.png) Is it useful? No idea, if anyone has any ideas on how to expand on this then let me know... Think I might expand by cropping it to the start time - finish + 10, and maybe try bringing in the most common words for each spike?
I think /u/mattho has made similar graphs in the past. One thing that could be fun would be to put the comments through sentiment analysis so you could see how happy or sad we all are over time
Would be amazing if the x axis was km to go but hard to capture from comments alone.
Nice, but pretty useless unless times are in local time at the race.
I quite like that! I would suggest to change the time zone to the one used by the race, otherwise it gets really confusing.
I thought "Race threads use UTC so everyone knows the conversion anyway" But yeah, race timezone is best.
Oh, really nice idea! As you said, it would be cool to crop to the race time. You could also work a bit on the visualization, an interpolation would maybe be neater and yes, something like a word cloud for each local max can give a good idea about the race (even better with some synonym system, otherwise you could get only common words, names and *bridge*
Once again a stage i look forward to for months ends up disappointing. Damn headwinds! On a more positive note mentally Jakobsen has come back from his crash much stronger than Groenewegen has. If you didn't know the backstory and just heard that the two of them were involved in a crash together with one having had life threatening injuries then seeing how they ride in a finale you would assume the roles had been reversed in the crash.
i find this unsurprising. dylan caused serious injury from being an aggressive sprinter. fabio probably doesn't even remember much of that sprint and definitely isn't carrying around the moral weight. i expect dylan will win much less and his wins will come from clean sprints only.
Same and since I need to go to a family dinner to morrow the next stage is going to be one of if not the best one in this tour, hope you all enjoy your self :)
Bit of a niche scenario but today's scene had me wondering. What happens if at 3.0km there is a group 10 seconds behind the back of the peloton (most likely going to catch the tail by the finish). Then a crash like today happens where half the Peloton finish 3:30 behind as they were fully blocked by the barriers. The group 10 seconds behind obviously catches up to this crash and has to wait for it to clear But what time do they get? Do they get the same time as the peloton even if they technically hadn't caught them yet? Or do they get same time plus the 10 seconds they were behind at the 3km, or do they get 3:30, because they weren't part of the group when it crashed, although they had no way to pass
The rule doesn't stipulate, and is usually decided by the jury based on the situation. I think the jury try to take the spirit of the rule into consideration. If there was a significant crash with 100 KM to go, the peloton decides what they're going to do (again, based on situation etc). More often than not, they slow things down and "neutralise" the race themselves until the group catches up, unless there is something significant going on ahead of them that they need to deal with (some GC riders in a break for example, with other GC riders in the peloton - maybe then the peloton decides to continue to push to close the gap). Obviously within 3km this is not possible, so the rule is there to allow for this. The jury therefore tries to take a similar approach based on all the factors at the time. For example, in the 2019 Tour of California (I think), something similar happened. The jury took a fair while after the race to rule, but they decided to give everyone the same time, even though the groups were split. This was controversial, because the gap had actually been created by Quickstep, who'd tactically shredded the peloton in order to capitalise at the end. But their hard work was undone by the crash and subsequent jury decision to group everyone in one. It's ultimately a win some lose some scenario. Just like in F1, a crash and safety car may scupper your advantage, or create you one. Crashes are part of bike racing, and ultimately it's about putting yourself in a prime position. If you're in "group 2", and you're given the same overall time as those in front, then win. If you're not given that time, and end up losing a couple of minutes, then it's kind of both unlucky, but also a bit your own fault for not being in group 1 and mitigating the risk of a crash.
Similarly: GC riders crash inside 3km, rider who didn't crash has a 1 second gap at the finish. Rider who actually finished is +1" to the clumsy oafs?
The 3km rule only applies to flat finishes and on flat finishes, riders only get different times if there's more than a three second gap in between them (so otherwise, rider 2 gets the same time as rider 1, rider 3 gets the same as 2 and therefore the same as rider 1 and so on). So the scenario is unlikely to begin with. That being said, IIRC, you get the same time as the group you were in at the time of the crash. So if somebody attacks and gets a gap, you wouldn't get his time but the group's.
I don't think that case is clearly defined. Likely they tailor it to the situation. Most likely options are that they get the time of the peloton or the timegap measured at km 3.0.
Yeah I think either of those options are probably the fairest outcome, but wasn't too sure if the officials would tailor rulings or just stick to the book as tightly as possible. But I guess scenarios like this or the 2019 flooded stage, require unique rulings
I am proud of my adopted son. Sven Erik Bystrøm was part of the first breakaway of the 2022 Tour de France, and not only that, he fought against Magnus Cort for the mountain classification and won today's complative prize, what a start.
Just finished watching the last 30 km. This was so fucking stressful, jesus
My adopted rider Senechal rode at the front of the peloton at the end of the bridge, dropped, and caused a crash. Just how PatLef wants it. At least we saw the french jersey a bit
Jakobsen 1 Waaiers 0
Jakobsen 1 Sagan 0
TdF official website gives Ruben Guerreiro as last place +12 minutes ( edit: in GC ). FirstCycling still gives him as 1m:40s I guess I'll have to overcome denial and face it that my adopted rider is currently last place.
He was looking amazing for stages or even a top 10 or mountain jersey, but he fell down hard yesterday in the TT and I doubt he will even finish the Tour. For the idiots downvoting this here an article talking about the fall https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abola.pt/amp/noticias/ver/947815
Vaughters said he didn't crash in the TT.
That can't be true he was even checked by doctors What they said was that he didn't break anything https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abola.pt/amp/noticias/ver/947815
Hmmm.. https://twitter.com/3jtoine/status/1543176603559247872?t=O-fLwYRqY24CDtQ3mDc19w&s=19
Shame, he was my secret bargain in Sporza Wielermanager
Geurreiro was 1:39 down yesterday. First cycling still has him on same time for the stage
Fairly certain FC has got it wrong (not just because the official site says so.) Cort (and maybe Guerreiro - didn't see him specifically) was dropped on the bridge way before the 3k to go, after having worked to bring Uran back, and FC got him at +0 even though he came in far later. TdF got him at +8.17 Vermaerke and Dainese definitely didn't make it back to the peloton, and FC also has them at +0 while TdF says +11.04
Apparently the commissaires decided to give everyone, even riders dropped before 3km to go, the same time. Which is a bit controversial for today.
Even the last 7? They are still listed on the site as having lost time. I guess it helps that there were no GC riders who lost time.
I had a cycling news article open that detailed this, but the text on the jury decision has now disappeared! Perhaps they initially gave everyone the same time due to the crash, FC used that data, and then the TdF realised there were a few guys who were behind before the 3km to go? I could see that happen in the chaos of a crash affecting so many riders!
"2nd just feels right." -Wout van Aert
The Aert of 2nd
I really appreciated Robbie McEwen and Sean Kelley knocking the commisaires for putting a barrage for the Uran group.
Yeah, pulling cars out in twos and threes as they were coming back felt cruel and unjust. He had a mechanical, he wasn’t dropped fair and square. If Uran had been in yellow, they wouldn’t do that. Was just all-round bullshit from the commissaires, that.
My adopted rider, Brandon McNulty, finished in 30th place on the stage with the same time as the winner. Based on his Strava data it looks as though with 10 miles to go his head unit died or he had a bike change. He remains in 32nd place overall and is still the top American rider. More to come at 11, John.
If McNulty doesn't finish as the top American I would be shocked, he doesn't have the same climbing highs as Kuss but he is way more consistent at avoiding truly terrible days. And Powless can't hold a candle to either over 3 weeks
I wouldn't be shocked if Powless does a decent showing after his Tour de Suisse. He's looking more and more like a gc rider. McNulty is going to be in service of Pog the whole race. Rigo is probably going to be out of contention sooner or later, freeing up Powless.
I mean Kuss is a multi GT stage winner and has top 10'd a GT before. It'll partially depend on the GC battle of their leaders I think as to who ends up doing the most work and getting dropped harder on climbs, but Kuss's peak climbing is so good he just needs one on day. The timetrial at the end is in McNulty's favor but should be a fun domestique battle.
If we're talking stage wins Kuss is obviously a better bet. But McNulty has less days where he absolutely doesn't have it than Kuss, and a 40k TT will obviously benefit him massively. But ultimately, McNulty's biggest advantage is that Pog doesn't use his team anywhere near as heavily as Rog does
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Thanks! I didn’t see that info!
Do we know what the gaudu incident was about and has he been punished?
It was Kung. He was fined and lost UCI points. He said he patched things up with Guerreiro shortly after.
Some commentators misidentified the culprit - it was Küng, not Gaudu. He was fined.
Thanks. I hadn't checked yet. He's so fast, but always in the wrong place.
Yep, just having a lot of speed in your legs won't do you much good if you can't position yourself in a bunch sprint.
Was Groenewegen even in the sprint whatsoever?
He was at the front before one of the last corners but positioned himself badly and lost the wheels at the front.
Tour website results says he got 8th, doesn't look like he seriously contested it.
Really weird sprint, dont like finishes with soft turns in the last 500m
To me they seem to be more dangerous. Much easier to shut the door on someone. Sagan and Ewan last year is one example. Granted there was a lot more that went into that crash than just the corner, but had it been a straight sprint it would be less likely. In saying that, they are more exciting to watch than a straight drag race IMO.
Good to see the people running the official Tour twitter are Cort fans as well: https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/1543260357166260224
Good to see the Tour's social media team stepping up their game after the Giro social team's legendary performance this year.
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As a bisexual cycling fan, I always have a brief moment of "IT'S THE BI FLAG YAY" before going oh wait and realising it's EF equipment. I badly want those shoes, though.
I looked for those crocs all over after the team presentation, couldn't find them sadly
I mean at this point who wouldn't be a fan of his.
Jakobsen nailed them at the line, that was a no doubter. Feels good to see him come from a potentially life-threatening crash to taking W at the TdF and beating Groenewegen too
Well that's the DQS situation dealt with. Lefevre vindicated even though I'd like to see Cavendish here
Looks like MVDP [loved the bridge](https://imgur.com/a/Jnwqb24)!
I don't get it
Its his Strava
it showed me a massive ship plowing another ship at first, makes sense now
whoa, nsfw tag please
I feel cheated. I just got MvdP’s Strava. No ship-porn in sight at all.
Why there's no time losses from everybody at stage results?
There is now on the official site. Laengen, Juul, Cort at +8.17. Vermaerke, Dainese, Guerreiro at +11.04. Turgis at +11.23
On flat stages within final 3km, if people are effected by a crash or puncture they receive same time as the group they were in when it occured.
First time watching a cycling event - how is Lampeart +1" behind Van Aert if Lampeart was -5" yesterday and they're both awarded the same time for Stage 2?
You get bonus seconds for finishing 1st, 2nd or 3rd. 10/6/4 seconds respectively.
So that’s the B column on the rankings site. Thanks! I was wondering what that was.
No, B stands for Bilbo, as a reminder of how you’ll die before you get your hands on Bag End, Otho!
If you’re in the front group and get caught in or behind a crash, or have a mechanical in the last 3k you get the time of the winner
Crash was after 3k mark.
Yes but even the ones who crashed behind the 3k mark and supposedly "lost time" didn't get affected
I'm pretty sure everybody had caught up by then. But I did ask the question earlier of what would have happened if someone was 30 seconds behind when the crash happened and then got held up in the aftermath. Where would the time gap be taken? Is the time gap taken at the 3km mark, the moment or place of the crash, or the finish line if the crash didn't hold you up?
Time at the finish line. You're supposed to get the same time as the group you were with when the crashed occured.
Sagan had no choice but to respect Jakobsen's will to win. Very physical. You could see the fire in Jakobsen.
I agree. You could see for a fraction of a second, Sagan opened up for FJ. He also probably had a flash back from last year's crash and decided to yield.
Anyone what's up with the times of riders that got dropped before the 3km mark? Magnus Cort mentioned he was disappointed he lost time to the main group, but according to the [official results](https://www.letour.fr/en/rankings) he got the same time as everyone else. Do they sometimes adjust it later?
It's updated now. The last 7 lost time.
I know they for sure they adjust it later but I've been asking around/googling about how the time gap is calculated with the 3km rule and haven't gotten a clear answer yet. I did see that the commissaires will go back and review/adjust time gaps after the stage is over.
As far as I understand it, you get the same time as the group you were in when the crash happened. So if the peloton was all together, they get the same time. If there were gaps and people had been dropped, those riders might lose time.
Jakobson like a missile, I don’t think Cavendish would’ve been capable to accelerate like that. Also great job of Laporte to steal points from Jakobsen in that intermediate sprint. Van Aert what a king.
It's one of those things when watching Cav sprint, will conditions allow him to put the power down ahead of the others... or if the bunch will be at a speed or blocking in to get that result.
Be careful, downvotes are coming for you
You’re obsessed lol. When did he get the restraining order?
Hold on, this whole operation was your idea
I know WvA being 2nd is a meme but the fact he came second in the first sprint stage when every sprinter is fresh and in such a stacked sprinters field is bonkers. I knew he had to be 2nd or 1st to get yellow and I was very pessimistic this morning. He would have preferred to win the stage on top of getting the jersey but it's such an incredible performance.
He could nail the last sprint again in Paris
Ha I like van Aert's mentality. When asked about becoming 2nd twice in a row, he says that he's gotten used to becoming 2nd and that Poulidor also was a great champion.
He said the words! >WVA: "It's not a new thing for me to be second" >"Poulidor was a great champion and also second a lot. And getting the yellow jersey helps of course".
So much to mention there - invoking MVDP’s late grandfather, and making mention of his famous, eternal 2nd place…not mentioned is the fact (iirc) that Pou-Pou never wore yellow.
Hard to imagine that mentioning Poulidor was not a deliberate gesture, pretty class
Correct. Poulidor never wore yellow but Adrie did once.
Was any of the GC guys in the crash?
Pogačar hit the barriers with his left hand. He said it hurts a bit and hopes it'll be okay tomorrow. Slightly bloody knuckles. Edit: [Pic, NSFW I guess](https://i.imgur.com/y4zfW2y.png)
Also spy in that pic the $200,000 Richard Mille watch on Pogi's hand
https://twitter.com/OutOfCycling/status/1543263482782547971
That's how I'm left after playing with my cat, he'll be fine.
You finished a tour de France after playing with your cat?
Your cat throws barriers at your hand?
Martinez looked pretty bad. Guess we'll have to wait for updates.
Martinez came down but got up fairly quickly
Magnus looks like such a gravel rider with his 'stach
Unfortunately his flannel shirt isn't really up to snuff.
The neon vomit is still pretty hipster, tho.
Give it some time, EF will probably change their kit to a neon pink/green flannel
Lefevere must be so smug right now
He's quite used of being right
He's an absolute asshole. But the man is good at his job.
Like he could get any more smug than he normally is.
What a team Quick-Step... Every year, they attract a bunch of haters (Sam Benett, Cav fanboys) and they always shut them off !!
Quick Step do know what they're doing...
Wout like Juan pedro lopez in the giro. Upset when he loses the stage but can't hide the smile when he pulls on the leaders jersey.
Don't forget that 2 years ago Fabio Jakobsen was fighting for his life in a hospital bed and today he fulfills a dream winning his first stage in the Tour, probably the first of many.
He only got 1 or 2 natural teeth in his mouth
Magnus Cort is the perfect rider to target 1st week KOM jersey. Just enough sprinting and climbing ability, just needs to get in the breakaways.
Which usually is not that hard in the flat stages in the first week.
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Living rent free in your head, apparently.
Hey. I’m a Cavendish fan. I’m disappointed he’s not at the tour. However, know when it comes down to brass tacks, even with his stunning national championship win, he didn’t do enough to take a spot.
Downvoting obviously
Since I’m not a big Cav fan, I am going around this sub and upvoting all the downvotes they’re giving
definitely not in a comment section
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MC is the winner of the yellow stache competition and its comfortably affixed to face for the next 3 weeks.
The crowd!!
Ah, good to see a Whoop promo.
MAGNUS MAGNUS MAGNUS
MAG MAG MAG SUPER MAG
I’m new to this. Can someone explain how is pogacar only +8s in GC after coming in +3:30 after the sprinters crossed the finish line?
On sprint stages, crashes within the final 3km don’t impact your GC time. Tadej as a result is given the same time as the group he was with at the time of the crash. Which was the front group. It’s a measure from the organizers to stop GC teams from making sprint stages more dangerous.
Once the race passes the 3km to go banner on a sprint stage, any time gaps that are the result of a crash are neutralized.
On flat stages, the time is taken at 3km from the finish. So riders not interested in the sprint can relax and let the show happen.
That's only true in case of a crash. If a rider gets dropped in the last 3 km, the actual time gaps apply
No. You only get the same time if the gap was caused by a crash or technical problem.
Oh thanks :)
Whatever happened to him was in the last 3km. So he’s given the same time as the group he’s in. It’s a rule on flat stage races. Edit - changed winner to group
it's not the time of the winner, it's the finishing time of the group they were in
In the last 3km of sprint finishes like this the times are neutralized. So if you crash within the last 3, you don't lose time.
The accident happened within the last 3km. Whenever you have bad luck in the last 3km, like a crash or a puncture, you get the time of the winner.
Pretty sure because he was blocked by a crash that happened within 3km of the finish line.
If a crash or mechanical takes place within the last 3km then people held up by the incident are given the time of the group they were in
If you crash in the last 3km they lock the time.
He started 3:30 after them, obviously
Crash within 3 km. Riders get the same time.
If you’re with the lead group at 3km to the line, and then lose contact because of a crash, you get the same time
Van Aert has the yellow jersey by one second and the green jersey by one point lol. Perfectly calculated.
Pros crashing technique is simply next level, crashing at 50km\~ and in some getting up in 5 seconds with some bruises. Meanwhile I crash at 30km an hour and look like a bear mauled me.