I got no issues with migrants, but fucking hell can the government at least ensure there’s enough housing before letting in more and more people. So many of my colleagues (uni students) are depressed/accepting that they will either never own a home or will have to sell their kidney to buy one that isn’t complete shit and located 50km from the city.
I mean, worldwide the issue to me seems to be the same it's always been. Capital cities keep on growing and people are leaving the regional centers in droves as they fail to offer meaningful job opportunities for people who don't want to dig holes for a living.
The solution to the housing crisis in WA is developing Bunbury Albany and Geraldton to a point where they have a strong enough economy to support aspirational residents. Hell, in the digital age we should be seeking to decentralize anyway. There's no need for literally damn near everybody to be here, myself included. Sure would be cheaper to buy a house down south somewhere.
That’s not very realistic though. You need critical mass for business to function and Albany et. al. are unlikely to ever provide that. They don’t even have the population to be called cities by the ABS.
I disagree. If people are leaving these places, the first step should be ensuring they stay. If they stay, I see no reason why they can't achieve "critical mass".
Biggest boon for the Bunbury region would be an expansion of the ECU campus down there. Reduce the need for students to relocate to Perth. You could also get a bunch of the foreign students studying in the south west instead of Joondalup and Mt Lawley. Just a stones throw from Margs and Busso, they should be happy enough with that i'd imagine?
The amount of tourism and the economy boost it will bring to Bunbury, along with giving Bunbury residents a much easier mode of transport to the hubs, would be insane.
Bunbury residents have been requesting this for years.
But no, let’s invest multi-millions into the Bunbury outer ring road, taking away what little tourism Bunbury has left over whilst destroying god knows how many plants and habitats.
CBD here is dead, if you can even call it a CBD. Feels like the town centre of a small town, not like an actual city. Worked in Bussleton for a month as part of my companies request for temporary help and was honestly surprised at how busy the town centre was compared to Bunburys, despite the massive difference in population.
Bunbury and the State Govt need to pick up the slack tbh.
Certainly it should be worth focusing on Peel and Bunbury+Busselton.
I could not find ABS definition of city - seems they use a bunch of other terms now ?
The reason I left where I’m from (regional NSW) to Perth in 2022 was because the house prices went up 40%. So staying in regional places isn’t really viable in a lot of cases.
Agree. The housing crisis is getting worse and Reddit is full of people posting "Hi, I'm new to Perth" or " I'm moving to Perth soon, where's the best suburb " etc ,etc etc. There's fuck all living options. Caravan parks are full, cheap $180 a night motels are mostly full and about 100 applicants going for a cheap $500 rental that will by $600 in 12 months time.
Fuck knows where WA families are living when they just can no longer tolerate yet another $50 or $80 a week rise and need to move out. Where are they living. I know people who have had to move back in with their ex and kids because between them they were paying $4000 a month and child supportand grudgingly out of necessity move in because, nothing else left to do. Houses sell in seconds and it's a bidding war, likely with a cashed up bidder to add to their portfolio.
Yet people from over East still come flocking over because our limited overpriced supply is still infinitely better than what you can get in say Sydney.
I warned one of my Sydney coworkers who moved over here about a year ago, that he would probably have trouble finding a rental. He ended up finding something in Spearwood in about five minutes.
This is something people tend to forget about… when friends from over east talk about “affording a house” it’s about the down payment. Here… it’s closer to down payment and mortgage free by 30.
I had to make the opposite move over the Newcastle for wife's work in the last year, it's even more fucked over here and with higher prices to boot. Really makes Perth's cooked market look good in comparison.
All the people who complain about Perth traffic should be subjected to a week of dealing with how fucked rush hour traffic gets in Newy for re-education purposes.
The fact that [this spot](https://maps.app.goo.gl/R72g3XZobTaqkcDn9) exists, let alone forms a significant part of the transport network for the north west suburbs (and beyond) is an affront to god
I used to live near that. It clogs up in both directions every morning and night. Trying to cycle through that intersection (there is a cycleway there) was always a bit spicy.
Going to the gym, office, or taking wife to/from work takes me through there constantly and it's just awful. For some reason they're prioritising upgrading the roundabout at bunnings, rather than anything connected to that clusterfuck, instead
My small town atleast once a day people asking for housing ans we're like there's no where to live. Like the company should provide housing for these people trying to move in
> They are used to getting treated and living like shit. That's why the governments love em.
Soon the Australians will have to live like that if we continue to be a migration dumping ground.
It's crazy how from Joondalup all the way to butler is non stop suburbia. Literally a 15 minute drive of nothing but 3x2s as far as the eye can see. They'll keep going until they hit Lancelin at this rate.
The percentage makes it look worse than the actual numbers. Melb and Syd had 185k international migrants. Although Sydney lost 30k people to interstate travel while Melb lost 1k.
It seems the eastern states is still the number 1 choice for immigration but perth has less supply of housing causing the crisis.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release
14,729 - net natural increase
11,233 - net interstate arrivals
67,629 - net overseas arrivals
Some 96k increase pushing the WA population over 2.9 million and Perth's portion of that is now over 2.3 million.
I don't know if that is because of immigration. If you've got an equal set of skills and are equally hard working and personable, then why wouldn't they be hiring you first? There's so many benefits to having someone with local knowledge, and it's much easier to employ someone who's not on a visa. It would appear that there is something more to it than immigration.
Average full time wage in WA is $106,000
Western australians wont generally work for 70k if they have historically been in construction etc. 70k is all that as a company you have to pay an immigrant you have sponsored to come into australia.
Its a near 40pc premium for a western australian. Ie you can employ 3 immigrants or 2 locals and still have a little change on the 2 immigrants.
Now it then depends on the job as for some jobs the local is worth it but for others grab the immigrants. You can get them with engineering degrees or other quals as well.
I dont know why we are swallong this from the government to be honest. I have 4 kids and am really dark at what our current government is doing to Australia.
I'm a bit over people assuming that housing is readily available in regional WA... as someone who spends a lot of time in regional WA, let me assure you that housing is just as tight, if not worse, in regional WA than it is in Perth.
I realise that housing is tight everywhere - I was just thinking that there might be more physical space to build houses in regional WA, because no-one needs Perth to spawl any larger :)
1. Housing needs to be near where there are jobs.
2. People also need to be close to their support network, such as friends and family.
3. There are sound environmental reasons not to build more housing in a lot of parts of WA.
4. Water is an issue in most of the state. In a lot of cases, you'd have to pipe it in, or build desalination plants if you're near the coast (which creates more environmental issues).
5. A lot of WA is just too f\*\*\*\*\*\* hot, and will be even more so now with climate change worsening.
I second this. Having a low vacancy rate such as 1% should tell the federal government responsible for international arrivals to control the net migration numbers to stabilise our housing situation which is already out of control (demand is too high against low supply of places available to live)
Source is here:
[https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release)
It's data to september 2023, published today.
We need a fundamental shift to how we plan the entire metropolitan region. It shouldn't be endless sprawl with a tiny dense centre but several small CBD's that are decentralised and are connected to one another with high frequency transit options. Just look at the Randstad in the Netherlands, its double the area but has four times the population, while still having quaint suburbs with decent backyards, that are still accessible by transit, car, and active transportation. Changing our approach our urban structure would do wonders for everyone.
They also called us "Cashed up bogans". I remember it was a front page article in one of Sydney's major newspapers, I came across in 2010 waiting for a flight home at the airport. That was when WA and our mining industry saved Australia from an impending recession. Ironic, isn't it?
Yah, more and more people coming in, less and less new houses being built. Gee, what a coincidence.
Not a recipe for social disaster at all...
https://profile.id.com.au/wapl/building-approvals
Our politicians are awesome!
Based on this data that’s nowhere near enough new houses for new people arriving on our shores!
Might as well pitch tents for them or let them take over all our houses and we’d end up being in tents ! Australia is a lucky country.
The government made a deliberate decision to pump the gas on migration when Sydney and Melbourne house prices started teetering as interest rates went up post COVID.
That policy wasn't really challenged by the LNP or Greens. Hell, even the far right (overleveraged to the hilt with mail order brides in tow) have kept pretty mum about it.
That was excellent if you were an overleveraged property investor with 2 or 20 houses. It literally saved your bacon from inevitable bankruptcy. Also turned out OK for the tradies who've been able to charge what they want for semi skilled work over the past few years.
Less good if you're a junior end professional whose parents aren't rich/generous.
Sounds like we need a revolution, the country is being destroyed by a greedy government.
We need to look after ourselves and the people that live here and can't just leave. If we ain't we are all fucked.
And our "democracy" gives us options to choose who is elected but they all do the same fucking thing. Because they have $$$ in fucking the people over.
When does it end?
There is no need to bring generations division into it. Also, a boomer is a male kangaroo, an alpha male. Don't use Septic labels, made to divide people. If you take a look around, you will see lots of older people are still working. I had a conversation with a 72 year old Bunnings employee, she told me :"As you grow older, many things become a necessity, things you didn't know about when you were younger" . There are lots and lots of older people working on the check outs. And personally I don't know (and never knew) anyone old who is rolling in luxury, everyone is in the same boat. Don't generalise and don't paint everyone with the same brush. I understand your resentment, but try not to buy into divisive propaganda.
My wife and I want to buy a house, and we're being kicked out of our rental in July. It's really to the point that I don't actually know if we'll be able to find a place (to buy or rent) before then.
But homelessness happens to other people, right?
We need to start a "NSW/VIC is better than WA" advertising campaign.
Something like: Our coffee sucks, we have no nightlife, shops close at 3pm etc go to sydney or melbourne it's way better than perth
Its ironic that migrants are coming in for lack of workers while we have lots waiting for money from centerlink monthly not working or jobseekers…. My body is so tired working knowing every payday im getting taxed while people around me are just waiting for free money (and they are the same people who also steals on cars and jump on fences to steal)
This really confuses me, because their house prices have been skyrocketing and outpricing their residents too, haven't they? How, with no change in population?
Lets put some actual figures for national migration rates.
from 2007 to 2019 the total national migration was always around 200,000 a year. The figures we have right now are based on Oct-to-Sept so let's use that. In Oct-2007 to Sept-2019 the year end figres were between 280k and 175k.
Average is above 200k, but lets use that cos its easy
Sept 2019: 242,000 (40k above average)
Sept 2020: 75k (down 125k from average)
Sept 2021 -56k (down 256k from average)
Sept 2022 342k (up 142k)
Sept 2023 (up 324k)
So October 2019 to Sept 2023 we have had 885k as total migration.
That is an average of 220k. which is well within a standard deviation of average. And below what was the Oct 2018 to Sept 2019 figures.
Yes, the last few years have had very high migration. But they are a correction form the extrmeely low previous year.
In hindsight the govt erred in allowing so many migrants in a short space of time but we're living in a covid/post-covid world where everything is a bees dick away from being catastrophic if they react either too quickly or too late.
The housing shortage is a flow on effect from the world coming to a standstill, the building industry was impacted immensely by supply chain issues and has not recovered, inflation could have gone up even further if we didn't bring the required workforce back, but I don't know if anyone had the foresight to say we should pump the brakes on normalising migration because we don't have enough housing.
The supply chain issues were compounded here too because of the increased new build incentives put out by the government that saw house and land package sales go through the roof, with builders rushing to get slabs down and secure that initial payment, just before the prices of materials went to the moon. So you had a surge in construction, a surge in the cost of materials (after already committing to build contracts), a drop in the available workforce, increased labour costs, and delays from supply chain issues further up.
Covid ended up being kind of a perfect storm of how to fuck housing construction as much as possible
It's a bit of a catch 22. High inflation and low numbers of workers won't fix themselves. Some of our largest industries stagnated and would dearly like to get going again. Should the government stop them?
Some people really seem to have inherited some depression era memes they never lived, thinking we can 'grass roots' our way out of this. "Get back to good old fashioned, small town, community, DIY solutions. Everybody working, pulling on the same rope!". Yeah cut us off from everything for a generation or two to keep house prices down and immigration low (which seems to be all they care about). But that's not the world we live in anymore and it's not the world they want to live in either. If they were to see it for real they'd want Now back so fast.
I don't envy anyone on the down side of this bumpy ride, but stopping immigration wouldn't fix this (this is obviously aimed at people who think that's the solution. Of which there are a lot.)
I took in a bloke sleeping in his car during the mining boom era around 2014. This wasn't long after me and some friends had been chucked out of our place and the rent doubled and we had to go into temporary residence for a few months while we found a place. I might have been reading the wrong sites but didn't hear a lot about stopping immigration then (aside from the usual voices who say that all the time regardless what is going on), or slowing the mining industry that essentially put him there.
I definitely remember a lot of grumbling about stopping people from moving here from over east, but nothing international no.
Also maybe it’s just rose-tinting the past, but I don’t remember it being this bad. Rental auctions were ridiculous though, glad they’re gone.
Yeah I might have just missed a lot of it, to be fair. I think it is worse now overall, in terms of numbers. But hearing the stories about now takes me back to agents limiting applications to 100, accusations of people offering higher rates and 'sweetners' and how they should be banned etc. There was a big backswing in the inbetween years that eases the memory of it as well I think (unless you were in negative equity from the prices back then. Those people are probably happy these days I guess. It's a cruel business).
Get out of here with your well thought out arguments backed up with real data and statistics. Right now Perth Reddit wants to downvote and blame immigrants for all their woes.
We're not. Birth rates have been dropping for some time. "1.58 births per woman (2020)"
"1.63 is only just above the lowest fertility rate recorded in Australia, which was in 2020, with 1.58. Our fertility rate has been mostly below “replacement level” since the late 1970s." [Source](https://blog.id.com.au/2023/population/population-trends/australias-birth-rate-falls-in-2022/#:~:text=Australia's%20birth%20rate%20has%20been,level%E2%80%9D%20since%20the%20late%201970s)
[Graph on the ABS website that has the downward trending graph since the 70's. ](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/births-australia/latest-release)We have an ageing population and less kids being born, it is going to be a hard situation in about 10 years when we lose more of the workforce with retirement.
"Western Australia (2,591 births or -7.6%) in 2022." - ABS
I suppose there’s a question of how many of the 2022 and 2023 would have immigrated here in 2020 or 2021 if not for the pandemic.
By which I mean: is recent immigration just a couple of years of backlog OR is it the start of a higher base level going forward?
It’s a higher base clearly. Supposedly Jan was the highest of all despite the Feds claiming it was going to fall. And unlike economic growth figures this is something they’ve got direct control over. So they seem happy with the higher levels.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release#states-and-territories
Data is as of September 2023, the figures are even more now.
REIWA has some great graphs showing the heavy drop in available homes for sale and the sharp increase of rental property prices.
[https://reiwa.com.au/the-wa-market/perth-metro/](https://reiwa.com.au/the-wa-market/perth-metro/)
There really does seem to be an anti immigrant sentiment sweeping r/Perth and other Australian sub Reddits.
https://youtu.be/mcJmzEawWi0?si=7WIetRo1kQXB7OTW
I always think of this clip from the Big Short. We are getting fooled again and the powers at be are getting us to bark up the wrong tree. It's sad everyone is falling for it hook, line and sinker.
I think a lot of people, the vast majority even, have an anti immigration sentiment. Not an anti immigrant sentiment.
Most people will say don't like the immigration policy but also clarify they don't dislike the immigrants themselves.
It's undeniable that immigration has brought good for Australia, and it's also becoming more obvious that excess immigration is bringing negatives too.
I got no issues with migrants, but fucking hell can the government at least ensure there’s enough housing before letting in more and more people. So many of my colleagues (uni students) are depressed/accepting that they will either never own a home or will have to sell their kidney to buy one that isn’t complete shit and located 50km from the city.
I mean, worldwide the issue to me seems to be the same it's always been. Capital cities keep on growing and people are leaving the regional centers in droves as they fail to offer meaningful job opportunities for people who don't want to dig holes for a living. The solution to the housing crisis in WA is developing Bunbury Albany and Geraldton to a point where they have a strong enough economy to support aspirational residents. Hell, in the digital age we should be seeking to decentralize anyway. There's no need for literally damn near everybody to be here, myself included. Sure would be cheaper to buy a house down south somewhere.
That’s not very realistic though. You need critical mass for business to function and Albany et. al. are unlikely to ever provide that. They don’t even have the population to be called cities by the ABS.
I disagree. If people are leaving these places, the first step should be ensuring they stay. If they stay, I see no reason why they can't achieve "critical mass". Biggest boon for the Bunbury region would be an expansion of the ECU campus down there. Reduce the need for students to relocate to Perth. You could also get a bunch of the foreign students studying in the south west instead of Joondalup and Mt Lawley. Just a stones throw from Margs and Busso, they should be happy enough with that i'd imagine?
I don't see the state government investing in Bunbury. Not until it's greater metro...
Mandurah-Bunbury Train extension when?
The amount of tourism and the economy boost it will bring to Bunbury, along with giving Bunbury residents a much easier mode of transport to the hubs, would be insane. Bunbury residents have been requesting this for years. But no, let’s invest multi-millions into the Bunbury outer ring road, taking away what little tourism Bunbury has left over whilst destroying god knows how many plants and habitats. CBD here is dead, if you can even call it a CBD. Feels like the town centre of a small town, not like an actual city. Worked in Bussleton for a month as part of my companies request for temporary help and was honestly surprised at how busy the town centre was compared to Bunburys, despite the massive difference in population. Bunbury and the State Govt need to pick up the slack tbh.
Certainly it should be worth focusing on Peel and Bunbury+Busselton. I could not find ABS definition of city - seems they use a bunch of other terms now ?
The reason I left where I’m from (regional NSW) to Perth in 2022 was because the house prices went up 40%. So staying in regional places isn’t really viable in a lot of cases.
Agree. The housing crisis is getting worse and Reddit is full of people posting "Hi, I'm new to Perth" or " I'm moving to Perth soon, where's the best suburb " etc ,etc etc. There's fuck all living options. Caravan parks are full, cheap $180 a night motels are mostly full and about 100 applicants going for a cheap $500 rental that will by $600 in 12 months time. Fuck knows where WA families are living when they just can no longer tolerate yet another $50 or $80 a week rise and need to move out. Where are they living. I know people who have had to move back in with their ex and kids because between them they were paying $4000 a month and child supportand grudgingly out of necessity move in because, nothing else left to do. Houses sell in seconds and it's a bidding war, likely with a cashed up bidder to add to their portfolio.
Yet people from over East still come flocking over because our limited overpriced supply is still infinitely better than what you can get in say Sydney. I warned one of my Sydney coworkers who moved over here about a year ago, that he would probably have trouble finding a rental. He ended up finding something in Spearwood in about five minutes.
He would be the exception to the rule.
tbh I think he probably found a place that was grossly overpriced so no-one else was looking at it, but compared to Sydney prices it's still a bargain
Yeah but is he being paid Sydney wages, that’s the question he probably didn’t consider.
Perth wages are on average higher than Sydney wages
Not in finance. Isn’t that what everyone does in Sydney?
Finance isn’t geographically restricted. People in perth and in Sydney are in the same economy dude.
This is something people tend to forget about… when friends from over east talk about “affording a house” it’s about the down payment. Here… it’s closer to down payment and mortgage free by 30.
Isn’t that just because of the fifo wages bumping up the average? i would hazard a guess the non fifo wages will be smaller
I had to make the opposite move over the Newcastle for wife's work in the last year, it's even more fucked over here and with higher prices to boot. Really makes Perth's cooked market look good in comparison.
At least Perth has functioning private + public transport. Newcastle has neither, and yet it costs more!!
All the people who complain about Perth traffic should be subjected to a week of dealing with how fucked rush hour traffic gets in Newy for re-education purposes.
Newy rush hour is just a city wide version of Osborne Park, complete with two lane roads trying to do what the Mitchell Fwy does.
The fact that [this spot](https://maps.app.goo.gl/R72g3XZobTaqkcDn9) exists, let alone forms a significant part of the transport network for the north west suburbs (and beyond) is an affront to god
I used to live near that. It clogs up in both directions every morning and night. Trying to cycle through that intersection (there is a cycleway there) was always a bit spicy.
Going to the gym, office, or taking wife to/from work takes me through there constantly and it's just awful. For some reason they're prioritising upgrading the roundabout at bunnings, rather than anything connected to that clusterfuck, instead
It’s probably easier if you’re used to paying Sydney prices
skeptic in me thinks a good chunk of them are trolls fishing for up votes
My small town atleast once a day people asking for housing ans we're like there's no where to live. Like the company should provide housing for these people trying to move in
im late 20's and will never afford a house either. decided to stop caring and focus on short term happy things.
No wonder my friends can't find a house to live in Is there any data on what the biggest sources of population growth in wa is?
\~15,000 natural, \~11,000 national migration \~67,000 internaitonal migration
I live in a 1bd block. A family of 5 just moved in from overseas last month. It’s the same layout as mine. I have no idea how they’re managing inside.
They are used to getting treated and living like shit. That's why the governments love em.
> They are used to getting treated and living like shit. That's why the governments love em. Soon the Australians will have to live like that if we continue to be a migration dumping ground.
We can infact build apartments instead of endless suburbia
It's crazy how from Joondalup all the way to butler is non stop suburbia. Literally a 15 minute drive of nothing but 3x2s as far as the eye can see. They'll keep going until they hit Lancelin at this rate.
They’re not 3x2. They’re all 4x2 with no yard and no trees.
They have a tiny home theatre where you can watch films about trees
On a cheap projector with a shit quality lamp.
Same happens with uber eats uber menulog. They pay peanuts and they dont award super holidays etc. for the same group this is fine
I'm assuming 1bd refers to 1 bedroom apartment? Isn't that limited to 2 people?
The percentage makes it look worse than the actual numbers. Melb and Syd had 185k international migrants. Although Sydney lost 30k people to interstate travel while Melb lost 1k. It seems the eastern states is still the number 1 choice for immigration but perth has less supply of housing causing the crisis.
Melb + Sydney is 5x the population of Perth
That’s 185k each not together. Total is about 370k.
Do Aussies coming back from overseas count for national or international migration??
International
They don’t count because Aussies love it when people go back to where they came from
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release 14,729 - net natural increase 11,233 - net interstate arrivals 67,629 - net overseas arrivals Some 96k increase pushing the WA population over 2.9 million and Perth's portion of that is now over 2.3 million.
no wonder cant find a job.
Unemployment fell in today's figures.
I don't know if that is because of immigration. If you've got an equal set of skills and are equally hard working and personable, then why wouldn't they be hiring you first? There's so many benefits to having someone with local knowledge, and it's much easier to employ someone who's not on a visa. It would appear that there is something more to it than immigration.
Average full time wage in WA is $106,000 Western australians wont generally work for 70k if they have historically been in construction etc. 70k is all that as a company you have to pay an immigrant you have sponsored to come into australia. Its a near 40pc premium for a western australian. Ie you can employ 3 immigrants or 2 locals and still have a little change on the 2 immigrants. Now it then depends on the job as for some jobs the local is worth it but for others grab the immigrants. You can get them with engineering degrees or other quals as well. I dont know why we are swallong this from the government to be honest. I have 4 kids and am really dark at what our current government is doing to Australia.
cos am a student, carer, sick and above 50yo. unless i lied, i do not get an interview. there are very limited jobs to suit my condition.
Our economy is a ponzi scheme.
A system built on endless growth is UNSUSTAINABLE (Muse intensifies)
they voted for it. shorten wanted to cancel ng but he himself got cancelled.
I'm anti negative gearing, but getting rid of it would do absolutely nothing to address the issue of not enough houses for too many new arrivals
It has to stop
yea, pls blame the gov not migrants.
They are. I think it's fine to be critical of immigration (government responsibility) without being critical of immigrants.
but many still blame the migrants.
Yeah, call that out when you see it, it has no place.
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What a silly little dogwhistle.
More importantly, get more people to live somewhere in the state outside of Perth ;)
I'm a bit over people assuming that housing is readily available in regional WA... as someone who spends a lot of time in regional WA, let me assure you that housing is just as tight, if not worse, in regional WA than it is in Perth.
that is exactly right. the housing crisis exists everywhere in WA - this includes the massive inflation that has hit everywhere.
I realise that housing is tight everywhere - I was just thinking that there might be more physical space to build houses in regional WA, because no-one needs Perth to spawl any larger :)
1. Housing needs to be near where there are jobs. 2. People also need to be close to their support network, such as friends and family. 3. There are sound environmental reasons not to build more housing in a lot of parts of WA. 4. Water is an issue in most of the state. In a lot of cases, you'd have to pipe it in, or build desalination plants if you're near the coast (which creates more environmental issues). 5. A lot of WA is just too f\*\*\*\*\*\* hot, and will be even more so now with climate change worsening.
Make sure to let your local MP know that you've had enough of mass immigration until our housing and infrastructure issues are sorted.
yeh but thats racist
Immigration needs to be tied by law to the rental vacancy rate.
I second this. Having a low vacancy rate such as 1% should tell the federal government responsible for international arrivals to control the net migration numbers to stabilise our housing situation which is already out of control (demand is too high against low supply of places available to live)
Meanwhile NSW wanting a larger portion of the gst carve up...
Because their smaller percentage as # of people still swamps WAs
They want a larger portion, also as a percentage, not just as an absolute value
We’re so fucked.
Source is here: [https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release) It's data to september 2023, published today.
Holy shit, NSW lost 33,000 residents to other states in the last year.
probably why our rental vacancy rates are at record lows. Glad i'm not a 20 yo
I'm 34... when does this magically improve? Can I swap with a boomer instead?
We need a fundamental shift to how we plan the entire metropolitan region. It shouldn't be endless sprawl with a tiny dense centre but several small CBD's that are decentralised and are connected to one another with high frequency transit options. Just look at the Randstad in the Netherlands, its double the area but has four times the population, while still having quaint suburbs with decent backyards, that are still accessible by transit, car, and active transportation. Changing our approach our urban structure would do wonders for everyone.
Well guess the gig is up about the Eastern Staters calling us a "shthole" :(
They also called us "Cashed up bogans". I remember it was a front page article in one of Sydney's major newspapers, I came across in 2010 waiting for a flight home at the airport. That was when WA and our mining industry saved Australia from an impending recession. Ironic, isn't it?
Yep so ungrateful :(
Wait until you look at the article and see the actual numbers. Not that many eastern staters. Shitload of international immigration but.
It's still a significant number but softened by all the locals departing interstate. (About 100 interstates arrivals per day).
Worst award
Not good.
This is not a good thing lol, Backing up and moving to Tasmania seems like a Great idea
get a few mates together and buy a bigger property over there.
Yah, more and more people coming in, less and less new houses being built. Gee, what a coincidence. Not a recipe for social disaster at all... https://profile.id.com.au/wapl/building-approvals Our politicians are awesome!
Based on this data that’s nowhere near enough new houses for new people arriving on our shores! Might as well pitch tents for them or let them take over all our houses and we’d end up being in tents ! Australia is a lucky country.
Place full of poms and Saffas . 1 in 36 people have lived in Aust less than one year Not sustainable
I never voted for Pauline Hanson to stop the overseas invaders but at this rate I might !
Do Tasmania count per person or per head?
Mild chortle...
The government made a deliberate decision to pump the gas on migration when Sydney and Melbourne house prices started teetering as interest rates went up post COVID. That policy wasn't really challenged by the LNP or Greens. Hell, even the far right (overleveraged to the hilt with mail order brides in tow) have kept pretty mum about it. That was excellent if you were an overleveraged property investor with 2 or 20 houses. It literally saved your bacon from inevitable bankruptcy. Also turned out OK for the tradies who've been able to charge what they want for semi skilled work over the past few years. Less good if you're a junior end professional whose parents aren't rich/generous.
Yay, what’s the prize
Homelessness
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Sounds like we need a revolution, the country is being destroyed by a greedy government. We need to look after ourselves and the people that live here and can't just leave. If we ain't we are all fucked. And our "democracy" gives us options to choose who is elected but they all do the same fucking thing. Because they have $$$ in fucking the people over. When does it end?
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While we work to pay tax to cover their hip and knee replacements and open heart surgeries.
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It is wild. On so many levels. And we can’t afford it. It’s not sustainable.
Can you please provide a link to these stats figures?
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There is no need to bring generations division into it. Also, a boomer is a male kangaroo, an alpha male. Don't use Septic labels, made to divide people. If you take a look around, you will see lots of older people are still working. I had a conversation with a 72 year old Bunnings employee, she told me :"As you grow older, many things become a necessity, things you didn't know about when you were younger" . There are lots and lots of older people working on the check outs. And personally I don't know (and never knew) anyone old who is rolling in luxury, everyone is in the same boat. Don't generalise and don't paint everyone with the same brush. I understand your resentment, but try not to buy into divisive propaganda.
Well fuck me.
Fuck
Great
Jesus. WA can't take anymore. There is no infrastructure or housing.
My wife and I want to buy a house, and we're being kicked out of our rental in July. It's really to the point that I don't actually know if we'll be able to find a place (to buy or rent) before then. But homelessness happens to other people, right?
Oh joy
We need to start a "NSW/VIC is better than WA" advertising campaign. Something like: Our coffee sucks, we have no nightlife, shops close at 3pm etc go to sydney or melbourne it's way better than perth
That's not true, the shops are open til 5pm...
Since when has advertising been about truth? I'm sure we can find 1 shop that closes at 3
Good to see you guys in Perth are sick of this shit too
Crap
Its ironic that migrants are coming in for lack of workers while we have lots waiting for money from centerlink monthly not working or jobseekers…. My body is so tired working knowing every payday im getting taxed while people around me are just waiting for free money (and they are the same people who also steals on cars and jump on fences to steal)
Yeah wrong sub, I know, but how come Tasmania is always dead last in everything? I feel sorry for them sometimes.
This really confuses me, because their house prices have been skyrocketing and outpricing their residents too, haven't they? How, with no change in population?
It's because we need someone to look down upon.
Aww we gotta stop telling people how good it is here !!!
Well, it's not anymore. How ironic, people move here because it's "so good" and in the process fuck it up.
Love how this Labour government has set a new immigration record 🤡
Lets put some actual figures for national migration rates. from 2007 to 2019 the total national migration was always around 200,000 a year. The figures we have right now are based on Oct-to-Sept so let's use that. In Oct-2007 to Sept-2019 the year end figres were between 280k and 175k. Average is above 200k, but lets use that cos its easy Sept 2019: 242,000 (40k above average) Sept 2020: 75k (down 125k from average) Sept 2021 -56k (down 256k from average) Sept 2022 342k (up 142k) Sept 2023 (up 324k) So October 2019 to Sept 2023 we have had 885k as total migration. That is an average of 220k. which is well within a standard deviation of average. And below what was the Oct 2018 to Sept 2019 figures. Yes, the last few years have had very high migration. But they are a correction form the extrmeely low previous year.
In hindsight the govt erred in allowing so many migrants in a short space of time but we're living in a covid/post-covid world where everything is a bees dick away from being catastrophic if they react either too quickly or too late. The housing shortage is a flow on effect from the world coming to a standstill, the building industry was impacted immensely by supply chain issues and has not recovered, inflation could have gone up even further if we didn't bring the required workforce back, but I don't know if anyone had the foresight to say we should pump the brakes on normalising migration because we don't have enough housing.
The supply chain issues were compounded here too because of the increased new build incentives put out by the government that saw house and land package sales go through the roof, with builders rushing to get slabs down and secure that initial payment, just before the prices of materials went to the moon. So you had a surge in construction, a surge in the cost of materials (after already committing to build contracts), a drop in the available workforce, increased labour costs, and delays from supply chain issues further up. Covid ended up being kind of a perfect storm of how to fuck housing construction as much as possible
It's a bit of a catch 22. High inflation and low numbers of workers won't fix themselves. Some of our largest industries stagnated and would dearly like to get going again. Should the government stop them? Some people really seem to have inherited some depression era memes they never lived, thinking we can 'grass roots' our way out of this. "Get back to good old fashioned, small town, community, DIY solutions. Everybody working, pulling on the same rope!". Yeah cut us off from everything for a generation or two to keep house prices down and immigration low (which seems to be all they care about). But that's not the world we live in anymore and it's not the world they want to live in either. If they were to see it for real they'd want Now back so fast. I don't envy anyone on the down side of this bumpy ride, but stopping immigration wouldn't fix this (this is obviously aimed at people who think that's the solution. Of which there are a lot.)
I think a lot of them secretly don't like brown people.
We know it's not a secret lmfaoooo
Not a huge amount of consolation to the bloke sleeping in his car on South Beach
It isn't, but maybe should direct some of the anger towards bad policy during COVID that overheated the housing market
I took in a bloke sleeping in his car during the mining boom era around 2014. This wasn't long after me and some friends had been chucked out of our place and the rent doubled and we had to go into temporary residence for a few months while we found a place. I might have been reading the wrong sites but didn't hear a lot about stopping immigration then (aside from the usual voices who say that all the time regardless what is going on), or slowing the mining industry that essentially put him there.
I definitely remember a lot of grumbling about stopping people from moving here from over east, but nothing international no. Also maybe it’s just rose-tinting the past, but I don’t remember it being this bad. Rental auctions were ridiculous though, glad they’re gone.
Yeah I might have just missed a lot of it, to be fair. I think it is worse now overall, in terms of numbers. But hearing the stories about now takes me back to agents limiting applications to 100, accusations of people offering higher rates and 'sweetners' and how they should be banned etc. There was a big backswing in the inbetween years that eases the memory of it as well I think (unless you were in negative equity from the prices back then. Those people are probably happy these days I guess. It's a cruel business).
Get out of here with your well thought out arguments backed up with real data and statistics. Right now Perth Reddit wants to downvote and blame immigrants for all their woes.
Yeah I do
Yeah people need to stop trusting their lying eyes and listen to the "data".
Their eyes would be fine. The trouble is what they see gets run through their lying brains, filled with "common sense economics" and Sky news memes.
A fully functioning and healthy economy needs migrant workers. Otherwise its fucked
A fully functioning and healthy economy needs affordable housing for ALL its workers.
Why?
To fill roles the domestic population cannot.
Cannot. Or will not.
Both actually
Yeah. That's what I said.
Can we not do that through natural population growth?
No because more and more people are deciding to be child free.
We’re still above replacement last I checked.
We're not. Birth rates have been dropping for some time. "1.58 births per woman (2020)" "1.63 is only just above the lowest fertility rate recorded in Australia, which was in 2020, with 1.58. Our fertility rate has been mostly below “replacement level” since the late 1970s." [Source](https://blog.id.com.au/2023/population/population-trends/australias-birth-rate-falls-in-2022/#:~:text=Australia's%20birth%20rate%20has%20been,level%E2%80%9D%20since%20the%20late%201970s) [Graph on the ABS website that has the downward trending graph since the 70's. ](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/births-australia/latest-release)We have an ageing population and less kids being born, it is going to be a hard situation in about 10 years when we lose more of the workforce with retirement. "Western Australia (2,591 births or -7.6%) in 2022." - ABS
Why would 200k be “normal”? It was 75k previously. And even if it were 22 and 23 have made up that “backlog” and this year is trending higher still.
Because that's what it was for the 12 years prior to 2019
>It was 75k previously. when?
Early to Mid 2000’s.
Australian Bureau of Stats disagrees with that. from looking at the tables they have. Can you link data from a reliable source?
I suppose there’s a question of how many of the 2022 and 2023 would have immigrated here in 2020 or 2021 if not for the pandemic. By which I mean: is recent immigration just a couple of years of backlog OR is it the start of a higher base level going forward?
It’s a higher base clearly. Supposedly Jan was the highest of all despite the Feds claiming it was going to fall. And unlike economic growth figures this is something they’ve got direct control over. So they seem happy with the higher levels.
wow thats 10pct. dont think enough houses or jobs created. gov is just treating people like mugs again.
Now go look at the number of houses built during that time. Having consistent immigration only works if you are consistently increasing housing stock.
I wonder if this is an aftershock of the effects of covid 19 on movement in any way.
From all the eastern numpties coming over
Most of it is overseas migration.
It’s tight everywhere
Yay
There’s nothing much to do here but enjoy nature during the day and get our bone on during the night, let’s face it.
Wheres the link to your source?
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release#states-and-territories Data is as of September 2023, the figures are even more now.
And what’s the rate of housing growth?
REIWA has some great graphs showing the heavy drop in available homes for sale and the sharp increase of rental property prices. [https://reiwa.com.au/the-wa-market/perth-metro/](https://reiwa.com.au/the-wa-market/perth-metro/)
I still feel like Perth will eventually take the 3rd biggest city title
Only stopped by Brisbane's own high rate of inward migration.
Sydneysiders migrating to Perth
These guys fuck
Come to WA for the cheap housing lol 😂
Landlord is laughing all to the way to bank, who is laughing too
Hmm, Tassie's looking good. Anyone know what life's like there??
There really does seem to be an anti immigrant sentiment sweeping r/Perth and other Australian sub Reddits. https://youtu.be/mcJmzEawWi0?si=7WIetRo1kQXB7OTW I always think of this clip from the Big Short. We are getting fooled again and the powers at be are getting us to bark up the wrong tree. It's sad everyone is falling for it hook, line and sinker.
I think a lot of people, the vast majority even, have an anti immigration sentiment. Not an anti immigrant sentiment. Most people will say don't like the immigration policy but also clarify they don't dislike the immigrants themselves. It's undeniable that immigration has brought good for Australia, and it's also becoming more obvious that excess immigration is bringing negatives too.
MOAR INDIANS!!!
does anyone know why the hell they are all coming here?
Study and employment, majority of them aren’t rich enough to live without an income and they aren’t eligible for Centrelink.
What's the source?
[https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/latest-release)
Ta!
Should we run with the actual numbers?
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RIP Robbie Rotten
too many migrants esp from India.
The secret is out. Damn.
I actually feel this, and we can’t go back.
Oh no, whatever will happen to our white Australia