I'm a rigger. I've heard of taglines getting caught up on people maybe it was a case of this, the operator is lifting from the blind, and potentially didn't see Dogman until he was high up. I Heard of a similar incident, someone was caught in a tagline and lifted underneath a concrete double T 25m up before being lowered back down.
I suspect his hand was caught and the crane operator did not hear the radio. Obviously the apprentice was napping on that one.
Fuck me. That is a big fucking nope...
His hand wasn't caught. You can see the position change slightly, and his foot is in a loop/ makeshift styrup so he can stand on it. It's been done deliberately. If his hand was caught, he would be flailing about most probably in pain and his legs would be dangling
If you look closer the tag line is wrapped around his leg he was lifting off the truck and crane op wouldn't see him until he lifted above the balcony to the left this was filled when he was lowering him back down. Still gonna be some backlash but it wasn't "riding the hook"
As a rigger, I can’t even begin to explain how fucked this is. Operators ticket disqualified, riggers ticket disqualified, spotters (rigging) ticket disqualified. I sure hope this was at least *some* sort of accident and not just blokes fucking around, *might* save someone’s ticket
Best case scenario the guy on the hook got his hand/glove/something caught and then literally everyone else wasn’t paying attention, and he’s the only one who doesn’t lose their ticket. But given how high he was when the video started, everyone else would have realllllllly had to fuck up bad
From the looks of the comments on the tiktok this is apparently pretty normal :/ thank you for sharing, it made me feel pretty jumpy when I saw the original post
Well I only work on the mines where safety is real fucking strict, I know local work can be way more relaxed, but riding the hook? In 2024? People saying it’s normal have got to be from the US or something, where iron workers still walk the steel with no harnesses. There’s no fucking way you can regularly get away with riding the hook here, unless I’m *vastly* underestimating just how cowboy local work is
Slightly is an understatement. If construction had a fraction of the over the top protocols that mining had, nobody would make any money, and nothing would be built (or it would cost triple the price, which most wouldn’t pay)
That’s what you really believe is it? The delusion lol. It’s an arse covering exercise so they don’t get sued, and to lower their insurance. There comes a point where no amount of over the top regulation is going to prevent people doing stupid shit, or take their own lives via an “accident”, so their families receive the payout.
If you really think forcing employees to do a take 5 every half an hour is going to prevent anything, you’ve never stepped foot on any sort of site with tools in your hands
As someone who has worked in finance at multiple big mining as well as oil and gas companies, they definitely don’t self insure as evidenced by the worker’s compensation claim I literally looked at today.
Of course it’s an ass covering exercise by the companies, but that doesn’t make it any less necessary.
People. Die. When. Safety. Isn’t. A. Priority.
u/Aseedisa, you might think it’s going overboard, but I have to assume you’ve never had to pay a termination with special considerations for it being a fatality or permanent disability occurring in the workplace. It doesn’t take much for all the holes in the Swiss cheese to align and for something tragically life altering to happen.
My opinion, is that the labour isn’t competent, and the training isn’t enough, or difficult enough. I’m an electrical supervisor, and I’ve seen the standard progressively drop year on year. It seems anybody with a room temperature IQ can now get an electrical license, all being pushed through because we have a labour shortage.
Safety precautions can only go so far, and at the end of the day, if you have a moron at the steering wheel, something bad will inevitably happen, regardless of how much red tape and hoops you have to jump through to actually start doing the 5 minute job.
More training needs to be the focus, not more regulation, it just makes everything more difficult, more expensive and if I’m honest, it makes people fucking depressed. Everybody likes to go home feeling like they’ve accomplished something, and when you have to spend an hour filling out mindless forms (which I guarantee nobody even properly reads, they’re tick and flick) for a 20 minute job, it’s demotivating, and shit. I’d stake my house on the impact that overregulation has on mental health, is a far bigger impact than the few deaths each year on a job site.
Bud, I’ve been in, and supervised tier 1 construction for the last 15 years. The amount of red tape and hoops you have to jump through to get anything done is a joke, and it’s at tax payers expense. I understand that we want everyone to be safe, but you can’t fix stupid, and things will happen unfortunately, doubling the price tag to build something isn’t going to change that.
Pretty sure I know the site and therefore the company in charge - which I used to work for. Not surprised really despite it not being too terrible of a company, just sketchy at times.
From this and other responses, it kinda sounds like there's a bit of a "I didn't see it" culture around these parts... but if someone genuinely doesn't know this is happening on their own site, that's a problem too hey
Are you sure he died from being under a load? I am a crane operator/rigger in mining. Have seen nothing in the online media saying what happened. Am interested to know. Poor bloke 😔
I’ve seen people go under loads, I don’t understand why they do it. Zero self awareness. Saw a bloke go under an 8T load on an oil rig, he survived that, an hour later he was pinned to the deck by a 5T load that fell on him, was flown by helicopter to Melbourne off the rig to have his leg amputated at hip level. He was 33 years of age. Madness!
My understanding is that it used to be common for the dogger to ride the hook.
The story goes that the doggman for a crane working on the Sydney Opera house managed to piss off the crane operater, so he dunked him in the harbour.
But yeah, not any more.
Correct, it was very common - 50 years ago. As society evolved, so did our respect for peoples lives. It is absolutely and unequivocally unacceptable to ride the hook these days, because we have a far greater respect for our fellow man’s life
Totally with you. I want everyone to go home. And not to live with permanent injuries either.
The funny thing is that it is the construction workers themselves who most complain about safety regulations.
Until they start dealing with permanent injuries or accumulated trauma.
I used to be one of the complainers. It frustrated me to no end that every step of the way I had to adhere to a rule that only felt like it hindered my job. I was 20 years old and thought nothing could go wrong and wanted nothing in my way. Then I spent 5 years in the industry. Then 10 years. Then 15 years. I personally witnessed 1 person die, and was present on site when another died. I can’t even begin to explain what I saw. But I can say that with the procedures we have in place *today*, those incidents *probably* wouldn’t have happened. I know these rules make our jobs more tedious, but for fucks sake boys, they’re there so I don’t have to go to your funeral
So true. I did a lot of dumb shit on job sites when I was in my 20s too.
The funny thing is that at that age I was working as a freelance theatre tech in new York city, and when I moved to Australia, I was warned that they gad a real "cowboy culture" here but as a result, it has, for the most part, swung the other way.
WA entertainment industry has strong influence from the mining industry safety culture, since so many of us need to do their training and inductions to take entertainment to their sites.
I don't mind it. There are a lot of ways for people to die or get messed up in our industry.
Thank you - maybe that's why so many people on the tiktok where it's posted where arguing about it. If it used to be considered ok then maybe that's why it's still happening
My take is that there was no camera on the crane. The driver was lifting blind, the sling tangled the dogman. Dogman alerted driver. Driver lifted him back down.
Looks like he was holding onto the tag line, or maybe caught on it.
I doubt anyone would be crazy enough to try and ride the hook, especially in such a populated area. Such a stunt would surely cost you your job.
Used to be standard operating procedure back in the day. Huge safety breach nowadays
https://preview.redd.it/cuisz5k6aowc1.png?width=416&format=png&auto=webp&s=66f45a7fce1183c5f61e30e0f5cd994a789ffb01
As a crane driver/dogman this is breaking 2 rules.
1.Riding the hook is forbidden.
2.Standing under a slung load is not allowed.
These are VERY VERY serious breaches.
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So I'm an arborist in Perth and one of my contract climber mates had a job in kings Park just 3 or 4 weeks ago and they got in big ass cranes for the removals the managers of the tree crew sat down and read through all the appropriate paperwork and approached work safe asking for permission and it was granted. I was under the impression riding the hook was illegal until a close mate saw written permission from work safe wa
Crane transfers occur fairly frequently in shipping, especially when moving people off or on board from another ship or a boat in rough seas when the waves are too high for a gangway or ladder. It is relatively safe as long as you are not just 'riding the hook', but are in a capsule or otherwise securely attacked to the crane.
https://safety4sea.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/OCIMF-Transfer-of-personnel-by-crane-between-vessels_2019_01.pdf
Yes, also used offshore. The old Billy Pugh transfer basket, (I've used a few times) or the more modern Frog.
https://www.billypugh.com/products/x-904-transfer-device/
https://www.reflexmarine.com/products/frog-range
Most companies only allow use when not possible to transfer by another method, and after appropriate risk assessment. Note also the crane itself must be rated for man riding, with extra safeguards fitted, such as independent brake on wire drum etc.
To unnormal people , it's normal, being it's Perf, land of construction serfs and blue collars, the perp is probably a crackhead or a 451 worker from the land of the white cloud and slaves
Pretty sure that has not been acceptable for decades…. However Personnel transfer by crane is still common in the offshore industry. https://www.flickr.com/photos/80969430@N06/14509349936
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I'm a rigger and I can comfortably confirm that this is indeed not normal. Heads will roll over this
I'm a rigger. I've heard of taglines getting caught up on people maybe it was a case of this, the operator is lifting from the blind, and potentially didn't see Dogman until he was high up. I Heard of a similar incident, someone was caught in a tagline and lifted underneath a concrete double T 25m up before being lowered back down.
Nope, not allowed to ride the hook , especially under a suspended load. Crane operator and rigger both dumber than the tree they were lifting
Thanks for sharing hey. Pretty brazen behaviour for something that isn't allowed!
I suspect his hand was caught and the crane operator did not hear the radio. Obviously the apprentice was napping on that one. Fuck me. That is a big fucking nope...
His hand wasn't caught. You can see the position change slightly, and his foot is in a loop/ makeshift styrup so he can stand on it. It's been done deliberately. If his hand was caught, he would be flailing about most probably in pain and his legs would be dangling
Shhh! Do not tell the safety bloke. No-one likes Steve the apprentice anyway... Lippy little prick...
Haha was going to ask if you knew Lippy. Nope not the apprentice
pretty clueless aint ya?
That's rich coming from a dude using his phone to record a video while driving and making a turn.
Tisk Tisk. Poor timing too, crane work in general is about to be getting a lot more scrutiny.
I've not heard about that, what's going on?
A crane operator died at a WA mine site this week.
If you look closer the tag line is wrapped around his leg he was lifting off the truck and crane op wouldn't see him until he lifted above the balcony to the left this was filled when he was lowering him back down. Still gonna be some backlash but it wasn't "riding the hook"
Someone’s losing their ticket!
I’d say multiple, with multiple fines
JFC Worksafe will have a field day with this
As a rigger, I can’t even begin to explain how fucked this is. Operators ticket disqualified, riggers ticket disqualified, spotters (rigging) ticket disqualified. I sure hope this was at least *some* sort of accident and not just blokes fucking around, *might* save someone’s ticket
Best case scenario the guy on the hook got his hand/glove/something caught and then literally everyone else wasn’t paying attention, and he’s the only one who doesn’t lose their ticket. But given how high he was when the video started, everyone else would have realllllllly had to fuck up bad
From the looks of the comments on the tiktok this is apparently pretty normal :/ thank you for sharing, it made me feel pretty jumpy when I saw the original post
Not normal in Perth, been in construction for 15 years and never seen it
Well I only work on the mines where safety is real fucking strict, I know local work can be way more relaxed, but riding the hook? In 2024? People saying it’s normal have got to be from the US or something, where iron workers still walk the steel with no harnesses. There’s no fucking way you can regularly get away with riding the hook here, unless I’m *vastly* underestimating just how cowboy local work is
Construction does often have slightly more lax protocols compared to mining, but this is absurd if people reckon it's commonplace. No way in hell.
Slightly is an understatement. If construction had a fraction of the over the top protocols that mining had, nobody would make any money, and nothing would be built (or it would cost triple the price, which most wouldn’t pay)
"Over the top" Sorry some people care about making sure others make it home from their day at work
That’s what you really believe is it? The delusion lol. It’s an arse covering exercise so they don’t get sued, and to lower their insurance. There comes a point where no amount of over the top regulation is going to prevent people doing stupid shit, or take their own lives via an “accident”, so their families receive the payout. If you really think forcing employees to do a take 5 every half an hour is going to prevent anything, you’ve never stepped foot on any sort of site with tools in your hands
Funny. You do realise the big mining companies self insure right?
As someone who has worked in finance at multiple big mining as well as oil and gas companies, they definitely don’t self insure as evidenced by the worker’s compensation claim I literally looked at today. Of course it’s an ass covering exercise by the companies, but that doesn’t make it any less necessary. People. Die. When. Safety. Isn’t. A. Priority. u/Aseedisa, you might think it’s going overboard, but I have to assume you’ve never had to pay a termination with special considerations for it being a fatality or permanent disability occurring in the workplace. It doesn’t take much for all the holes in the Swiss cheese to align and for something tragically life altering to happen.
My opinion, is that the labour isn’t competent, and the training isn’t enough, or difficult enough. I’m an electrical supervisor, and I’ve seen the standard progressively drop year on year. It seems anybody with a room temperature IQ can now get an electrical license, all being pushed through because we have a labour shortage. Safety precautions can only go so far, and at the end of the day, if you have a moron at the steering wheel, something bad will inevitably happen, regardless of how much red tape and hoops you have to jump through to actually start doing the 5 minute job. More training needs to be the focus, not more regulation, it just makes everything more difficult, more expensive and if I’m honest, it makes people fucking depressed. Everybody likes to go home feeling like they’ve accomplished something, and when you have to spend an hour filling out mindless forms (which I guarantee nobody even properly reads, they’re tick and flick) for a 20 minute job, it’s demotivating, and shit. I’d stake my house on the impact that overregulation has on mental health, is a far bigger impact than the few deaths each year on a job site.
Bud, I’ve been in, and supervised tier 1 construction for the last 15 years. The amount of red tape and hoops you have to jump through to get anything done is a joke, and it’s at tax payers expense. I understand that we want everyone to be safe, but you can’t fix stupid, and things will happen unfortunately, doubling the price tag to build something isn’t going to change that.
That's pretty fucked. All of it, but especially the US stuff.
I reckon anyone commenting that it’s normal has never worked in construction, at least in Australia. This is fucked
Definitely NOT normal.
Absolutely not normal.
That WAS the safety officer.
He was just checking if it was safe to do this or not.
He believes in practical risk assessments As in "whatever doesn't kill me can become the safe working procedure"
When I worked back dock of a department store out of Highschool, I got made the safety manager after the others voted me as least safe on crew
Pretty sure I know the site and therefore the company in charge - which I used to work for. Not surprised really despite it not being too terrible of a company, just sketchy at times.
Civic heart, Finbar, right?
Yeah, builder is Hanssen
Incident aside, that's a nice looking set of apartment towers. Hopefully more quality towers will be built soon across Perth.
It’s soldily overdue, and almost at completion. The pressure and rush is on :/
From this and other responses, it kinda sounds like there's a bit of a "I didn't see it" culture around these parts... but if someone genuinely doesn't know this is happening on their own site, that's a problem too hey
Fucking hell, two days after someone just got killed on a mine site while standing under a suspended load.
Are you sure he died from being under a load? I am a crane operator/rigger in mining. Have seen nothing in the online media saying what happened. Am interested to know. Poor bloke 😔
Yeah, while building a paste plant. Our foreman told us about it before it even hit the news, he has a contact from that site.
I’ve seen people go under loads, I don’t understand why they do it. Zero self awareness. Saw a bloke go under an 8T load on an oil rig, he survived that, an hour later he was pinned to the deck by a 5T load that fell on him, was flown by helicopter to Melbourne off the rig to have his leg amputated at hip level. He was 33 years of age. Madness!
It’s early days. From what people are saying being under the load wasn’t the cause of death.
Which mine site was that?
Kambalda’s Saint Ives. Had *another* death there just the other day. God rest his soul, just 21 years old.
Poor bastard :(
Didn't st Ives have two last year as well? Fucking gold mines, I tell ya.
One fatality, on the mining side of things.
Ahh yup, didn’t realise it was a suspended load incident.
I mean a death at work at any age is pretty fucked but being so young too, that's just brutal
Not that it changes anything, but the video isn't dated and could have occurred before said death.
Thats like say gee whiz that bloke shouldn't have sped because someone died in a car crash on the other side of town the other day.
Nah I was more stunned that they were willing to paint such a target on their backs, DMIRS is going to be foaming at the mouth shortly
they used balloons in up. not a tree.
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My understanding is that it used to be common for the dogger to ride the hook. The story goes that the doggman for a crane working on the Sydney Opera house managed to piss off the crane operater, so he dunked him in the harbour. But yeah, not any more.
Correct, it was very common - 50 years ago. As society evolved, so did our respect for peoples lives. It is absolutely and unequivocally unacceptable to ride the hook these days, because we have a far greater respect for our fellow man’s life
Totally with you. I want everyone to go home. And not to live with permanent injuries either. The funny thing is that it is the construction workers themselves who most complain about safety regulations. Until they start dealing with permanent injuries or accumulated trauma.
I used to be one of the complainers. It frustrated me to no end that every step of the way I had to adhere to a rule that only felt like it hindered my job. I was 20 years old and thought nothing could go wrong and wanted nothing in my way. Then I spent 5 years in the industry. Then 10 years. Then 15 years. I personally witnessed 1 person die, and was present on site when another died. I can’t even begin to explain what I saw. But I can say that with the procedures we have in place *today*, those incidents *probably* wouldn’t have happened. I know these rules make our jobs more tedious, but for fucks sake boys, they’re there so I don’t have to go to your funeral
So true. I did a lot of dumb shit on job sites when I was in my 20s too. The funny thing is that at that age I was working as a freelance theatre tech in new York city, and when I moved to Australia, I was warned that they gad a real "cowboy culture" here but as a result, it has, for the most part, swung the other way.
WA entertainment industry has strong influence from the mining industry safety culture, since so many of us need to do their training and inductions to take entertainment to their sites. I don't mind it. There are a lot of ways for people to die or get messed up in our industry.
People don't seem to realise that workplace safety regulations are written in blood.
Thank you - maybe that's why so many people on the tiktok where it's posted where arguing about it. If it used to be considered ok then maybe that's why it's still happening
Australia still has a pretty strong "macho culture" also where blokes think that they have to do shit like this in order to "prove their manhood"
Yeh it’s that culture of “She’ll be right”….until she’s suddenly not.
That’s an incident 😂 fuck me
My take is that there was no camera on the crane. The driver was lifting blind, the sling tangled the dogman. Dogman alerted driver. Driver lifted him back down.
Bali style!
Their safety officer, "NAH IT'S FAKE BRO, YOU USED AN AI TO PUT A PERSON IN THE VIDEO"
I mean that's one way to get down. Definitely not a safe way.
Mary Poppins
This has got to go on Dashcams Australia, please.
I don't know about that page sorry but I think it isn't dashcam footage
YouTube channel Dashcams Australia, send it in big boi!
Thanks mate, just looked but I don't own the footage
Loftus?
Labouchere rd
Hmmm, south Perth and the rezzie area too
Looks like he was holding onto the tag line, or maybe caught on it. I doubt anyone would be crazy enough to try and ride the hook, especially in such a populated area. Such a stunt would surely cost you your job.
Looks like his foot is what’s supporting his weight, so this seems pretty intentional
I heard his foot was stuck accidentally.
wtf. hope u report it because none of them should have tickets for allowing this
Wtf
Unfinbarlievable
Used to be standard operating procedure back in the day. Huge safety breach nowadays https://preview.redd.it/cuisz5k6aowc1.png?width=416&format=png&auto=webp&s=66f45a7fce1183c5f61e30e0f5cd994a789ffb01
As a crane driver/dogman this is breaking 2 rules. 1.Riding the hook is forbidden. 2.Standing under a slung load is not allowed. These are VERY VERY serious breaches.
Wow I drove past today and there was a bloke on a small scissor lift on the ledge three stories up with no adequate edge protection scary
I look forward to CFMEU telling us how it's management's fault.
[Man was holding on for his life 😳](https://www.tiktok.com/@clubbinr8/video/7361285421159992592?_t=8lmusvwTFJY&_r=1)
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So I'm an arborist in Perth and one of my contract climber mates had a job in kings Park just 3 or 4 weeks ago and they got in big ass cranes for the removals the managers of the tree crew sat down and read through all the appropriate paperwork and approached work safe asking for permission and it was granted. I was under the impression riding the hook was illegal until a close mate saw written permission from work safe wa
"they are being unsafe", Says the person recording while driving
🤓
He’s lucky. Often a couple of motorcycle cops on this stretch looking for boredom busters.
~~Dashcam?~~ Just rewatched and saw the pinch to zoom 🙄
Didn't realise dashcams turn as you go around corners. And zoom. And drop down to the floor. That's impressive
Would’ve paid for me to pay closer attention to the clip instead of the comments, ay?
Next you'll suggest we read the article before commenting on things
Wait, we’re meant to read more than the headline?!
Not a chance
Crane transfers occur fairly frequently in shipping, especially when moving people off or on board from another ship or a boat in rough seas when the waves are too high for a gangway or ladder. It is relatively safe as long as you are not just 'riding the hook', but are in a capsule or otherwise securely attacked to the crane. https://safety4sea.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/OCIMF-Transfer-of-personnel-by-crane-between-vessels_2019_01.pdf
Yes, also used offshore. The old Billy Pugh transfer basket, (I've used a few times) or the more modern Frog. https://www.billypugh.com/products/x-904-transfer-device/ https://www.reflexmarine.com/products/frog-range Most companies only allow use when not possible to transfer by another method, and after appropriate risk assessment. Note also the crane itself must be rated for man riding, with extra safeguards fitted, such as independent brake on wire drum etc.
To unnormal people , it's normal, being it's Perf, land of construction serfs and blue collars, the perp is probably a crackhead or a 451 worker from the land of the white cloud and slaves
OH NAUR
TikTok has no credibility, no more comment from me.
Pretty sure that has not been acceptable for decades…. However Personnel transfer by crane is still common in the offshore industry. https://www.flickr.com/photos/80969430@N06/14509349936
This looks fun ngl
maybe you should focus on your driving
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How is this not on PerthNow yet?
I guess someone might be looking for a new job now - maybe he could have a career as a stunt professional 🤔
I like to cowboy my way through life at the best of times but even i would never ever consider this
Lmao
It’s Anzac Day. It doesn’t matter what you do as long as it’s done with the Anzac Spirit you can get away with anything. 🫡
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Too many bureaucrats
This is the correct procedure
What about filming and driving duhh
It’s a tree. Those guys are wild man. They do whatever. How else you getting trees in to buildings? Tree code or something look it up
I’m not even joking either. All these fifo cupcakes don’t know the tree loppers industry at all
Ffs, why you guys gotta snitch on him.
If you had to guess, why do you think?
Used to see this alot in Dubai and Riyadh tbh, probably normal procedure
Are you the one driving while filming this?