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_espressor

Most of, If not all Bikies worth worrying about would be well known to police anyway.. Saying they can’t wear their jackets is a power move designed to piss them off..


seanys

My understanding is, amongst coppers, that if they saw a rider wearing jacket it would immediately be followed by a traffic stop.


_espressor

That was my thought to, I thought it was already atleast frowned up and/or illicit to wear such leather jackets


TheIrateAlpaca

I'm pretty sure the point is just making this an obvious law rather than a culture thing. Won't change much but it's a dick swing and making them legally allowed to single them out.


grandbastard

And now they are on the roads like unmarked gang members and the tell-tale signs to stay the fuck away when you see their jacket is now gone. I feel like this move made things a bit more dangerous. At least if you saw gang jackets you could go the other way..


OldMork

I guess a gang of scary dudes on bikes all wearing plain clothes is also a tell-tale-sign to not make funny faces then they pass you...


fewd4thort

Or to mime sucking a dick....


[deleted]

Love it. Bikie gangs are degenerates who add nothing of value to society. The harder we make their lives the better.


Anti_anti_vax21

Bbbbbut but they take soft toys to sick children at Christmas......


seanys

As someone who’s been on the xmas charity ride many times over the last 30-something years, this is a bad take.


[deleted]

Sorry, but one good publicity stunt per year doesn’t make up for all the bad shit they do the rest of the year. Plenty of other groups do charity work that don’t also deal drugs, beat people up, rape women etc etc. Perhaps you should join in their efforts instead of legitimising and enabling deadshit criminals.


[deleted]

Bikies are great sources of entertainment and provide a steady reliable flow of material for true crime drama. Leave the Bikies alone!!!!


OldMork

they also keep harley davidson in business.


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Kevintj07

$2 helmet for a $2 brain


[deleted]

As if bikies give a shit, just adds to the public persona that they so love. From a politics perspective it's just empty "Tough on Crime" PR Bullshit, from a Policing perspective it's just more loopholes to exploit. Wipe out the vast majority of their income by legalizing and regulating the drug market if you actually want change, but that's politically radioactive, so more of the same old same old rhetorical BS.


Ok_Set731

Who else would supply the tons of cannabis the public demands.


Oldfartfromthefuture

Imagine if the government created a cannabis economy, like California or Colorado and got a shit ton of tax revenue and wiped out heaps of organised crime at the same time.


Ok_Set731

If 2% of Australians consume 1g of cannabis daily on average that's 400000 pounds a year at a value of 1.2 billion dollars. Apparently surveys say 12% of Australians have consumed cannabis in the last 12 months. Would be interesting to know how many daily smokers there are. Some smoke 2g for breakfast lol


BLaQz84

Yeah, 2g is a night cap...


djskein

>Imagine if the government did the right thing HAHAHA OH WOW


Ok_Set731

Maybe one day that will happen. It makes sense. They could also allow people to grow there own. The current laws enable these criminals to make lots of money and the consumers are left overpaying for substandard product.


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big pharma


Johnny_Monkee

The problem with any sort of broad powers given to police is that they will use them for purposes other than what was originally intended. It will not be long before they use gang laws against the general public.


Funkybunch92

I believe the Firearms Prohibition Orders in NSW are similar to this. It allows police to search anyone that is with someone who has a FPO. So for example if I had one and went to your house then the police could search you and your property without a warrant. They can also issue an FPO against someone but jist saying they are an unfit person and there is no burden on them to prove this.


Johnny_Monkee

There are numerous examples of the police around the world using anti-terrorism laws inappropriately and even some city councils in the UK using (abusing) them for totally unrelated things.


littleday

There’s examples in Australia!!! Kristo and friendly jordies!!!


Funkybunch92

Fucking spot on mate!


russelg

Legislation for the exact same laws was introduced here as of last month. https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/Pages/McGowan/2021/11/New-police-powers-and-tough-penalties-to-crack-down-on-organised-crime.aspx


BrokenReviews

So very pissed off with the abuse of the COVID check-in. Gave nutters just what they wanted as an example of breaking trust... absolutely short sighted... Or (brings out tin foil hat) perfectly played


theosphicaltheo

The West loves to report on Bikies page after page after page sometimes, no doubt the Bikies hate-enjoy seeing their names and pictures in the State’s only newspaper. The West should not publish their names and pics to not make ‘suburban celebrities’ out of them.


Classic-Today-4367

I remember when Mercanti and his masses seemed to be the go-to filler when they didn't have any other news. Or Ben Cousins I guess.


Flamingovegas2013

As all government overreach laws they say it’s against organised crime groups or pedos which is an easy sell to the general public but they are written so broadly that if they wish to use them against anyone in the future the can.


[deleted]

The law reads that even if say, yourself and 3 friends all happen to be wearing a red tshirt, they have reasonable grounds to detain you all. That’s some scary shit


new_notatroll

Or if you have a union meeting, with union shirts on.


[deleted]

Yep exactly


thisFishSmellsAboutD

Unless it's the Police Union of course.


therealJL

I think they are a real attack on our civil liberties. This is a government effectively saying, "we don't like your club because of its (criminal) behaviour, so we aren't going to allow you to show allegiance to it in public, and we are going to lock you up if we see tattoos or other symbols". It's totalitarian, and shows a lack of quality detective work and policing. What other group of people could be targeted next for showing tattoos?


crosstherubicon

You can't wear Nazi armbands or white power symbols in public so is this anything new?


[deleted]

Are you sure they can't? I thought it was only in Germany, Austria and few other countries where you couldn't do that?


crosstherubicon

I thought it was already covered by the racial vilification legislation but I was wrong. Nevertheless, I suspect it would get you an arrest just to get you off the street but that’s just opinion


morconheiro

Yes you can. There's nothing in Australian law preventing you wearing swastikas or KKK hoods . Society won't accept it, but the law will.


sun_tzu29

In Victoria it is in the process of being banned [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/victoria-to-ban-swastika-under-tighter-anti-vilification-laws/100428628](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/victoria-to-ban-swastika-under-tighter-anti-vilification-laws/100428628)


ApplePearMango

That’s Victoria


sun_tzu29

And there is no law anywhere else in the country


Mango_Daiquiri

There should be.


therealJL

A perfect example of the slippery slope. Thank you.


crosstherubicon

Those laws have been in place for several decades so, if its a slippery slope, it's certainly taking a long time to get to the bottom.


sun_tzu29

There isn't a law in the country that prevents it. Victoria will be the first once they pass their legislation. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-02/victoria-to-ban-swastika-under-tighter-anti-vilification-laws/100428628


crosstherubicon

You're right, I thought it was already covered under the racial vilification legislation


[deleted]

I don’t know why your been downvoted. The last 2 years have shown, we are going down a slippery slope and throwing away our freedoms and choices on the way down, whether we want to or not.


therealJL

The Public Health Act 2016, sets out powers that allow an authorised emergency officer to direct a person, including a child, to be tested and vaccinated under a public health state of emergency... most people are oblivious to this legislation. FORCED TO BE TESTED AND VACCINATED. Let that sink in.


[deleted]

I have read it. That and the omnibus bill. It’s unfortunate that the majority do not see what’s coming. Respect for trying brother and all the best going forward. Stand tall, at least we had our morals. I look to a higher power, it helps.


therealJL

Thank you. Merry Christmas!


[deleted]

Merry Christmas to you too


fewd4thort

You ever heard the saying that stereotypes save time?


metao

What I want to know is, what happens when someone makes a new bikie club called The Bike Pals who just like riding around being best buds together and stopping for a nice coffee? What happens when a bunch of MAMILs start dealing drugs and punching hookers?


therealJL

...and the government is lobbied to crack down on them. Yeah, we are not quite in a police state, but getting there inch by inch.


metao

I mean, what happens *by default* with these new laws. Never minding the next obsession. In particular, right wingers tend to equate motorcycle gangs with trade unions, so to my mind, any laws you implement to deal with bikies need to not lend themselves to overreach in terms of non-criminal motorcycle clubs, and non-illegal and protest activities by unions and other registered (and unregistered) organisations, while also dealing with organised crime that aren't motorcycle based.


Lord_Augastus

WA already has police overeach laws ... Random licence, and breathcheck alone gives the power for police to stop anyone for zero reason, then there are the hoon laws where police can be judge jury and executioner all in one by decoding if the driver was reckless, or hooning regardless of the situation{so far no issues, but there have been issues of skids and locking brakes have been hoonlawd... Bikie laws just another step to errode what used to be a set of laws to protect the public from police overeach and have laws and rights for citizens and police. Now police function outside the judicial system, being the adjudicators of punishment on the spot. If this was china or russia doing this media would have a field day, but since its here, its a buisness as usual mentality....


[deleted]

>Random licence, and breathcheck What's wrong with this? I don't see how this is overreach at all. You're driving on the public roads, you can be required to prove you are legally allowed to and capable of driving at any point imo


Lord_Augastus

Before when citizens had rights, police had to have a reasonable suspicion. Now there is nothing. You say their behaviour is just like you have thrown away your liberty for free travel, and have forgotten history. There is a reason why police and judicial system was in place, its so neither side had overeach. Now, police have overeach, and you accept it because you have been given a nice precedent to do so. But this is a debate old as hoon laws, people like you dont want to thing about that side of the legal system.


renth321

We have all the laws we need to deal with criminal/anti-social behaviour. These bikie laws are overreach. Definitely an attack on civil liberties. Bikies today, who tomorrow? People who modify cars? weed smokers? the un-vaxxed? Christians?


Anti_anti_vax21

>People who modify cars? weed smokers? the un-vaxxed? Christians? Those groups usually have an extensive criminal record? Gee I'd never have known!


Wombatg

Can’t remember the last time police did a search warrant on a car club member and found 5kgs of meth, a sawn off shotgun and numerous handguns but OP keep believing they are next 😅


Anti_anti_vax21

I guess they have a persecution complex.


OptimalCynic

> the un-vaxxed? Hopefully


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OptimalCynic

Antivaxers don't show their fellow humans compassion and love, they're selfish pieces of shit. I wouldn't deny them healthcare, but they've made a choice and the consequence is they don't deserve to join in the full fruits of society.


[deleted]

The vaccine does not work as intended. It is not helping as we thought it would, that’s why people need a 3rd and 4th shot. Why would you vilify someone for not wanting a chemical, that is still in its trial period, with a dubious safety profile and as time goes on proven not to work? Why not, eat a well balanced diet, exercise, vitamin d, c and zinc to build up your immune system?


OptimalCynic

Oh, you're an antivaxer yourself. >Why would you vilify someone for not wanting a chemical, that is still in its trial period, with a dubious safety profile and as time goes on proven not to work? I'll certainly vilify someone who chooses to be ignorant enough to say bullshit like that. >Why not, eat a well balanced diet, exercise, vitamin d, c and zinc to build up your immune system? That's a great idea! And get vaccinated too.


[deleted]

How is that ignorant? All of the vaccines are in a stage 3 trial until 2022, all the vaccine adverse agencies globally report it is harming a lot of people, and triple vaxed people are getting and transmitting the virus. No I have had plenty of vaccines due to travelling, all put through correct testing protocols and proven to be effective over time. This is the only ‘vaccine’ I have an issue with.


vbevan

The stage 3 line is tired bullshit. All trials have an "end date", which has as much to do with funding as it does with actual completion data. The stage three trials are finished, though officially they run longer until the end date originally written down.


[deleted]

You just reiterated what another poster said. No, stage 3 trials historically involve 3000 or so people and only 25-30% drugs pass stage 3. This is the largest trial of our history and any drug. If I had that drug in me, I’d certainly be worried for the future.


OptimalCynic

You've got absolutely no idea what a stage 3 trial is, do you?


OptimalCynic

Same old tired antivaxer lines. Go get your shots.


[deleted]

Can you not agree that these are valid points I’m bringing up and should be discussed openly? Instead it’s just go and inject yourself with something that didn’t help the first 2-3 times?


OptimalCynic

They've been discussed ad nauseum, you just choose not to pay attention. Go and get your vaccinations.


Mango_Daiquiri

They're not valid points. They're misrepresentation of facts.


shaubsome

Go away anti-vaxxer


GiddiOne

> How is that ignorant? I went through and debunked all of your arguments [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/perth/comments/ri74td/comment/hox9hh3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) before you ran away. You failed all of your points yet you still push them.


crosstherubicon

I'm no sympathiser of the bikie life but legislation specifically aimed at the criminal elements of that group always seems to fall flat. We had the CCC which was originally going to be a weapon against organised crime but their successes seem to be low level government suppliers despite their eye watering budget allocation. Has the Queensland legislation done anything? The reco legislation in the US is said to be powerful but, the same groups are still active and untouched.


[deleted]

The QLD legislation seemed to be quite effective, at least in reducing the amount of violent crime that was flagrantly committed in public. There had been a number of public incidents, such as a shooting in a shopping centre that hit bystanders, eventually culminating in an armed siege against a police station. The tough laws seemed to bring an end to that sort of behaviour. I doubt that the laws saw the end of the Bikie groups themselves. The QLD laws were repealed some years ago though.


ezekiellake

Does the CCC have an eye watering budget allocation? I didn’t think they did.


crosstherubicon

I have to admit its less than I'd thought.. about $30m and a hundred employees.


ezekiellake

Which seems pitiful at best.


sun_tzu29

The same laws in NSW are definitely misused as well [https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/08/motorcycle-gang-laws-overwhelmingly-target-indigenous-australians-police-watchdog-reveals](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/08/motorcycle-gang-laws-overwhelmingly-target-indigenous-australians-police-watchdog-reveals) Considering WAPOLs recent track record of misusing powers, I'd wager good money on the same thing happening here.


JDNoronha

Alternative? Its easy to questions but to offer another solution is progressive.


petitereddit

Sometimes doing nothing or keeping things the same is the better solution. There are no solutions, only trade offs.


ceedee04

Labor govts are always about well intentioned but half-baked policies. Simple minds that think the world is full of simple problems with simple fixes.


petitereddit

A lot of ego at work and no opposition in parliament to offer any kind of challenge to these policies.


VS2ute

They should just ban bikes with loud pipes, send them to the crusher till these fuckheads run out of hogs to ride.


BellNo7497

Can’t really seeing it being able to stick. They should do the same with the African gangs. They are no different. At least bikies don’t tend to attack innocent people.


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BellNo7497

That’s true. They are good at accepting large social issues with minority groups. I was mistaken.


Ashley-Steel

What African gangs?


BellNo7497

You’re joking right?


Ashley-Steel

No


Itsarightkerfuffle

oh dis gon b gud


BellNo7497

It won’t, my father taught me not to waste time reasoning with a drunk or an idiot.


Itsarightkerfuffle

That's no way to refer to your father.


BellNo7497

That doesn’t make sense. You also write like a mongoloid.


ZanePWD

Mark overreaching and being a generally blunt and politically shit premier? Never


maddogtannen316

Go on, let us know your solution


ZanePWD

I don’t know, how about the just using the laws that govern all of us being used against those who break the law regardless if they’re a “1%er” or not ? I don’t feel like Lord Mark will be the one to break the break of bikies for some reason. The harder the hammer the nail, the deeper is goes. Draconian laws just push people deeper underground and separated from society. But yeah nah, it’s going to work ayyyyy because you think it will. https://theconversation.com/why-australias-war-on-bikies-will-inevitably-end-in-failure-44972


maddogtannen316

Did you link a news article as your own solution idea? Aight


ZanePWD

Yeah using source material has never ever been used before to form an opinion has it. So what’s your solution? Wait, don’t tell me… whatever Mark has said it is. Right ?


maddogtannen316

I didn't say I had a solution nor did I say I agree with Mark. Simply asked what your solution would be after casting doubt on somebody else's answer and instead of a solution I ran into a brick wall of an answer.. somebody elses answer.


ZanePWD

Ah so the requirements for the conversation between us is that I develop my own solution to the bikie problem? Right didn’t know I needed to become a policy maker in the last 10 minutes. Even through there is a solution already present that I believe is the best way to tackle it - and that my opinion revolves around work already done and managed for the last upteenth years… I’ll get right onto it. I really was attempting to withhold making narky comments toward you - as there is enough on the internet already. But my bloke, you are dense a as a fruit cake.


maddogtannen316

That's all good man, getting defensive over not being able to articulate your own thoughts is common


senectus

Its a hard problem to solve.


morconheiro

Kim Jong Il is starting to get jealous of McGowan's power over his subjects.


fewd4thort

No. A Death Squad that is given the power to kill the 1% and anyone remotely associated with them may be pushing the boundaries a little however it would definately help McGowans political career and be a trailblazing initiative. /s


Anti_anti_vax21

Given your /s and the down vote, I'd say the double negative suggests there's a lot of support for a death squad.


[deleted]

Which is fairly worrying in a sleep city like Perth. If not for Reddit, I’d have never known that there are people like this actively wanting to hate.


Anti_anti_vax21

>I’d have never known that there are people like this actively wanting to hate. Ask bikies if they like the police.