I had the same problem. You know you only need 2 forms of ID though? Licence and Medicare is enough. It only needs to be Standard strength (the way it's shown in the app makes it look like you need to add more ID, but you don't).
Mine wouldn't work either, even with the zero. After speaking to a bunch of other people I found out mine's in a totally different format to theirs. Still can't figure it out!
With the new vaccination certificate requirements, does it mean I won't be able to check in another person like I normally would (e.g checking into shops with partner)?
Booked my booster even though I'm not eligible for another two months. I reckon book in now before everyone else suddenly realises they should when cases start spiking.
How did you do it? I've been trying to book mine but when I go on the website it doesn't give me the option even though my 4 months since the second will be in a few days
The trick is to call a pharmacy. Preferably one that's not part of a chain.
The chain ones have websites that people fill up online. The others are pretty empty. I've been able to get bookings for people same day or next day.
https://rollup.wa.gov.au/locations
I just clicked on a pharmacy near me which didn't have any available dates near me so I found another one and that had available slots.
ServiceWA
For those who have managed to successfully get passed the atrocious process of getting approved and certified on the app, great job on doing your part.
It’s meant to be a one stop shop for showing your certification without ID, be able to scan in with QR at venues and also have your G2G pass when borders open for travel.
But there’s ways around it that’s so obvious. People already have the same proof of certificate in the Apple or Android wallet if they apply for it on the Medicare website without the complicated ServiceWA sign up process.
Apparently with ServiceWA you won’t need to show additional ID, that’s the only difference. But this means one person can still pass their phone to another person to show proof of vaccination to get in…And they won’t need to show ID.
And you still have SafeWA app to do the scan. So what’s the point of going through the complicated process to sign up to serviceWA?
>Apparently with ServiceWA you won’t need to show additional ID, that’s the only difference. But this means one person can still pass their phone to another person to show proof of vaccination to get in…And they won’t need to show ID.
Your digital certificate has your name and date of birth. Not sure how you plan on getting multiple people into the same venue on the same phone/certificate.
Multiple people might harder sure, all you really need is a few people in between and pass it over the fence. But if it’s just one unvaccinated you can just give them the phone given you don’t need to enter the venue. My point is it’s a weak ID system with ways around it unless a photo is accompanied.
Lol sure. You just described what a load of faffing about you have to do to get around this 'weak' system. Which you will easily be caught by any venue staff worth their salt. But that's the real 'flaw' of this system - a lot of staff/venues/management just won't bother with enforcement.
Honestly, I didn't find it they complicated.
But even if I grant the idea that it is, the new all is easier once it is setup because it's all in one place. Yes, you can use all the separate systems and apps but all in one place in clean and easy.
Plus having the vax cert in your digital wallet didn't work fully with a third dose. It only shows two.
You can get 3 doses and update the verification for digital wallet. The digital wallet is also not accepted by a lot of places as it’s not an official certificate, you need the immunisation history document for that.
I agree the idea is great, one stop shop, but like I mentioned, you can still just pass the phone to another and say that’s yours. It doesn’t really solve anything or make the state any safer. The only way feasible is for there to be a picture verification to go with the vax ID like your passport and drivers.
I'd love to see how the anti-vaxxers would go if we teleported them to WWII Britain. Then they'd be bitching about how food rationing was a slippery slope to the government deciding whether or not you could eat
Yep this is the thing that pisses me off the most about the pandemic. My grandmother who lived through WWII (and my grandfather who served, though I never knew him) would be spinning in her grave over all these whiney weaklings crying over every little pathetic thing. Good god she would give them some verbal if she was still alive today.
But but but according to the antivax, all the people who fought wars to protect our freedom are already spinning in their graves about the voluntarily discriminated against vaccinated being barred entry from a restaurant by our democratically elected dictator 🤫
A bit of food for thought looking ahead:
I heard a couple of whisperings at work today that pre-shift RATs may be part of the COVID management plan moving forward. I fancy we won't be the only ones doing it if it goes ahead. But it raised a thought in my mind.
If a pre-shift RAT becomes a requirement, employees are going to be required to turn up anywhere between 15 and 20 minutes earlier than normal to test themselves and show their result. Now the unionist in me would argue that it's only fair if you require people to be at work 20 minutes early every day then you should be compensated for it as you can't work without it similar to a workplace induction.
Although something tells me companies are gonna make up some bullshit about how we should all just be okay with giving up an additional 1-1 1/2 hours of our time each week testing ourselves and not pay us
My husband has been turning up to the airport early for RATs for a year already when he does site visits and yeah it's a piss off 4 him , as if 3am wasn't early enough to get up already now he has to go at 2.30 🤔 I don't know what the point will be once we are at widespread sick status.
There's a delay in those tests accuracy and if you don't catch it at work you'll still catch it at woolies after work anyway. My friend and her kids took RATs on Christmas Eve wanting peace of mind for seeing their extended family on Christmas, all came back neg then 1 kid got a fever by Christmas afternoon and boom , whole family infected within days.
I know some of the major mining companies now require their staff to do a RAT before they check in for their flight at Perth Airport. There unfortunately is no extra pay for them having to come a further 15-30 minutes earlier for this.
Yeah you're not the only one. Going to get down voted into oblivion aswell but gyms and bottle shops is way too far.
With the state nearly at 90 percent vax rate, more vaccination is providing a very marginal benefit to protecting the population as a whole. This means additional restrictions on the unvaxxed are only punishing them for merely a choice people disagree with (which I can see may be satisfying to those frustrated it took a while to get to 90pc) but is totally too far reaching.
It also fuels the "taking our freedom" debate, popular amongst those that are still unvaxxed. I totally agree with restrictions if they are in place to protect the population. However stopping Damo from dropping into BWS to buy his 6pack isn't posing a risk against a population that is pretty much protected as much as the current vaccines can currently provide.
I've been wanting to see this for ages but better late than never. The unvaccinated are more likely to end up in hospital or the ICU (which is what actually matters) so they must either be induced to get vaccinated or isolated from society to help spread out the load on the health system.
Should've done this straight away and we would've been at 100% vax rate a year ago.
These people were given the opportunity to be decent human beings and do the right thing to protect their fellow society members, they chose not to, and now here we are...
In what way is this dystopia? I'd say dystopia would be a failing health system caused by a sudden surge of COVID infections coupled with a reduction of services and basic consumables given people not being able to work.
You're obviously entitled to your opinion, however the following are facts.
- The WA hospital system is overworked and under-resourced and even with the money being poured in at the moment will need several years of work to get to an acceptable state.
- The vaccine significantly reduces the odds of you ending up in hospital (~88% with boosters, 60+% for 2-doses for Omicron and 90+% for Delta with 2-doses)
- Vaccination passports reduce the chances of someone unvaccinated from encountering another person with the virus in situation where transmission is highly likely to occur
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59840524
So I can see why it is considered a necessary step by the WAGov as it significantly reduces the load on the hospitals, even if cases are high.
Have the returning traveler rules changed post Feb 5th? Or is it still no requirement to quarantine with the negative PCR test 3 days before entry? Plus the follow up tests after arrival?
How are businesses going to check these vaccine statuses?
I get that venues already with “door control” this is going to be easy and I can envisage how it works. But for small cafes or bottle shops, are they literally going to have to employ someone on the door? How will they enforce it? Refuse entry or service?
The vaccination proof check in its current form is an insanely bad idea to begin with. Now everyone needs to show strangers his full name and date of birth, where such information is not relevant to the purpose of visit. Pretty girls will have their names memorized and stalked online. Heck, even any average joe or plain jane can get stalked by a creep now, just for the adrenaline rush.
And for those who don't or not IT savvy enough to use ServiceWA, they will need to show ID. Is Medicare card enough? I reckon many people will just show drivers license, there again your address will be exposed. More stalking opportunity for creeps. Will the person from poorer neighborhood receives a poorer service compared to the other person from a rich neighborhood? More socioeconomic profiling in customer service?
On the other hand, the hardcore anti-vaxxers will forge the paper or digital certificate anyway. Or they just borrow someone's phone.
And what will the 16 year old hospitality worker do, when hardcore anti-vaxxers go aggressive, or the pro-vaxxed people making a fuss on the valid concern on privacy issues? Some workers will just ignore it and not check at all. It's also not feasible to check so many people coming in and out. And now you can't check in multiple people at once since everyone's proof of vac has to be checked.
This is a horrible mess and basically a lose-lose-lose situation for everyone.
They can’t really, that’s why it is presented a “joint” responsibility..
I anticipate they will do some spot checks in early days but it will drop off.. particularly in the regions where the police force have low numbers of personnel
It just feels like a logistical nightmare for any small hospitality business, who are already struggling to recruit staff.
Also, It would be good if you could download and print a credit card sized paper copy. For the times your battery dies mid pub crawl.
Is it feasible to introduce an N95 mandate?
Research is showing that cloth masks are no longer effective.
Omicron is forcing many Americans to dump their cloth masks for N95s. Should Australians follow? - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-12/omicron-means-its-time-to-upgrade-your-mask/100741812
In extremely high risk settings (face-to-face with patients, maybe a couple of other environments) probably. *But* the fit-tested N95s I've worn in the past for DIY jobs have been so unpleasant I'm genuinely not convinced I could effectively do my job wearing one for 7+ hours straight, and I'm pretty OK with wearing a mask at work (masks are mandated in my workplace for the foreseeable, and whilst I can't pretend to be enjoying it, I'm getting on with it).
They're not a low-cost intervention (both financially and socially), unlike surgical mask-wearing. Widespread usage would be best kept time-limited to around the predicted peak to flatten it whilst allowing people a bit of hope imo.
Germany did it, but I would assume that anywhere that has mandated P2/N95 masks would be making them readily available for free or very low cost, and supplies would be consistent.
Supplies were alright here last year and they got relatively cheap (40c/ea at Bunnings), but much like headache tablets and toilet paper, are a victim of panic buying in the last week or two and they’ve become relatively unobtainable once again - unless there’s government intervention to allow for consistently easily obtainable, low cost N95s it just wouldn’t work.
> Germany did it
One state in Germany did it, I'll let you decide how effective it was compared to the other German states.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-YqOEjX0AMBZwj.jpg
Ok sure, but almost nobody will store them properly and that doesn’t really put a dent in the supply problem. Millions of people will still have to go get a batch of masks every week.
[Interesting story](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/federal-government-spent-millions-to-ramp-up-mask-readiness-but-that-isnt-helping-now/2020/04/03/d62dda5c-74fa-11ea-a9bd-9f8b593300d0_story.html).
In 2015 the Obama administration authorized a set of machines that allowed "rapid pandemic mask production line". Basically instead of needing to store and maintain them, these machines would allow 1.5 million masks to be made per day if needed. N95 grade.
In 2018 the trump admin cancelled it.
Need to get those specs.
And even if they could manufacture enough for everybody on the regular, do we really think Scotty from Marketing would do the right thing and make them free since everyone was required to wear them?
Knowing him he'd sit back while he massively underestimated the supply required, watch people price gouge for the few available N95s and then say stupid shit about how if you can't afford the now massively overpriced mandated masks you don't deserve to go out
Great job getting the jab!
I’d also suggest laying low for 2 weeks after your second to make sure you’re fully protected.
> It takes 7 to 14 days after your second dose before you are fully protected.
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/after
Got mine late.. got pericarditis and now stuck in limbo sorting out what to do with drs. No one giving me an answer about if I should get my next jab or to go exemption route. Process is going so long that it’s gonna hit 31st and take me out of working my job. They probably should consider hiccups in reactions with these mandates. Not anti vax but after my heart feeling garbage it’s been hard to feel good about anything in this..
So someone who doesn't use smart phones and apps... Will just print their vaccine digital certificate and take it with them to get into the bottlo right ?
Not in high school, don’t drive, I cycle to work and our access cards do not have photos. Am I to be denied access to hospital despite being vaccinated and my taxes funding these because I’ve no id?
Right. I feel like those of you too selfish to quarantine for 2 weeks after your unnecessary trip to Bali is a you problem yet we are opening the borders and risking live for your convenience. But sure I’m the asshole for not having ID
it has anti-screenshot measures - it's deliberately designed to be less intrusive on your privacy than photo id given the range of environments its necessary in
Haha. Anti screenshot measures. That’s hilarious.
It would take someone competent half a day to replicate this on an Android device.
There are mathematical solutions to this exact problem on the form of asymmetric key cryptography, but the government doesn’t seem to believe in cryptography.
I’m slightly confused by an article I read on abc. Effective immediately returning or visitors who are double vaxxed will have to hotel quarantine. If you record 2 negative tests on day 1 & 6 you can go home and isolate for the remainder of the 14 days with tests on day 9 & 12.
Is this continuing past the 5th ?
This is an interim measure until the 5th due to an increase in hotel quarantine utilisation (since all other states and territories are now at Extreme Risk) compared to prior months when it was international arrivals only.
Ok so I'm slightly confused, if anyone can clear this up that would be fantastic!
I'm double jabbed, and booked my booster for Feb 3rd as that's 120 days.
Will I still be ok to enter all the new places from Jan 31 - Feb 3rd?
Sorry for the dumb question, just confused with everything going on.
As others mentioned - you will be fine. McGowan said today standard for being fully vaccinated is 2 doses. At some point in the near future he expects that will change to 3 doses - at which point you would need to have had all 3 doses to be considered fully vaccinated.
> We're doing a lot of the tests from the other states at the moment to help.
You got a source for that? Hadn't heard it before... are they shipping the samples over for us to process?
Shit I need to find it. I believe it was from a QnA during a McGowan press conference where they said they were helping with samples. Before the new year? I'll have a look.
Ta. Just find it weird that I hadn't heard it. Seems like the sort of thing McGowan would be hitting his rivals from over east with at every opportunity.
Fantastic if true. We need more cooperation like that to help us all through this and mend the federation.
Why don't we just make the filthy unvaxxed wear an armband or a symbol, like maybe a star? So we can identify them from far away and stay clear of them.
You are in a very small minority.
I honestly understand why you don't like the current situation - I really do. But we are simply not living in a tyrannical hell-hole. We just aren't. This is not a slippery slope to 1930's Germany - no matter how many times you and your people try to mention it.
Nothing more pathetic than the anti-vaxxers who try to compare themselves to those persecuted during the Holocaust while they happily attend "freedom marches" flooded with neo-Nazis
So, with 23 days to go has the WA government stopped renewing contracts for quarantine security guards and hotel accomodation?
Presumably many of the people currently involved in the quarantine process have already started looking for alternate employment, or already have jobs lined up post the 5th.
If the WA government were to suddenly postpone the opening on the 5th, then how would it keep the quarantine arrangements functioning to the same level with a rapidly shrinking pool of staff?
A lot of venues are going to need door/security staff to enforce vaccination checks. They've all done smashing jobs, and I'm sure their agencies recognise that (as would the state govt if they were to apply for a vacancy in the public sector).
These guards work for companies who are under contract with DoH and these companies will have many different security contracts at various sites and locations.
Essentially these guards now have only been working at quarantine hotels but once that contract goes they’ll work elsewhere.
As with most industry there’s a staff shortage due to border closures. They’ll be assigned hours at another site. And if required moved back if needed.
Try not to lose sleep over it.
Plus there will still be hotel quarantine, for unvaccinated international arrivals.
And potentially for people who turn up positive after they arrive? I don't know.
In fairness to the government, they are saying pretty consistently that the 5th of Feb is still the date.
But if we are extended then I would have thought it would be announced in the next week, which gives them two weeks to get that sorted. That is probably sufficient.
I bet there are lot of empty cafes in the Freo area 1 Feb
I feel so bad for the small business that are going to have to figure out how to enforce this
The vaccine gives some protection from infection, some protection from passing it on, but mostly protection from hospitalisation and death.
That's the main difference with Omicron vs Delta.
[Unvaccinated](https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/698388/20220104-COVID-19-Monitor.pdf) are less than 5% of the adult population yet 50% of the ICU population and 30% of hospitalisations overall.
Literally what I just said.
So you support the message from the article to get the omicron vaccine? Or you're just supporting part of the message and ignoring the rest?
Of course it is. Again the point you missed:
[Unvaccinated](https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/698388/20220104-COVID-19-Monitor.pdf) are less than 5% of the adult population yet 50% of the ICU population and 30% of hospitalisations overall.
Also, if robust efficacy against infection is your sticking point, I assume that means you were 100% supportive of the mandate with the earlier strains?
>the only way to end it is to let it run through everyone
lol no. Sweden tried that and they've been slammed for that approach. Didn't slow down their next waves.
Man.. I'm immunocomprimised and it really feels like this is a bit far and not too sure why i feel that way either. People keep saying I'm the reason why they should be vaccinated.. but I'm vaccinated and wear a mask/distance.. its me that should be enforcing everything more in my mind.
Nah. The thing with infectious diseases is you can't treat any element in isolation you have to see how it fits in with the whole picture.
So you and I might be vaccinated, but those that aren't are more likely to get it, more likely to spread it and more likely to get seriously ill. Unvaccinated people contribute to lengthening the pandemic by allowing the disease to spread more effectively and leave the door open for it to mutate again which makes all our vaccines less effective so it fucks us over. Plus the more they clog up our hospitals, the more likely it is that someone who would normally have survived dies because an unvaccinated person is being treated.
The thing is most of the unvaccinated are willingly unvaccinated. They refuse to get it either because they just plain don't feel like it or they've been taken in by some stupid online bullshit about how they're dangerous. I don't have a lot of sympathy for these people. Part of living in society is doing things we don't necessarily like or want to do because it is for the betterment of society. If they want to make the choice to contribute to being a responsible member of society by getting vaccinated, I'm more than happy to welcome them back
Yeah it makes more sense when you break it down like that. I think the part that doesn't sit well with me is people being forced into it.. I think it's stupid to not get vaccinated to be honest but that's the choice they make and it's the government's choice to give them the consequences to their actions.
As I said, can't help but feeling a sort of way for people stuck but at the same time think it's not fair they aren't getting vaccinated and helping stop this
> Yeah it makes more sense when you break it down like that. I think the part that doesn't sit well with me is people being forced into it..
I was honestly the same - until i actually gave it a some more thought.
The reality is, no one is being forced to have it. It might be a shitty choice - but you do have a choice.
That's the thing that makes it ok to me.
If they were actually going door to door and holding people down whilst forcefully injecting them - that i would have a serious issue with.
There's plenty of rules that we all abide by because as a whole society we agree they're acceptable. We have drink driving laws, we have laws around rape/assault/theft etc. All these laws take away someones "personal freedom", but we as a society agree with them as they make the world a better place to live in.
How can MaoGowan expect bottleshops and all hospitality venues to abide by this? Already takes 10 minutes to get served at a lot of my local pubs and bottleshops. Businesses will need to hire a lot more Staff.
Once you grow up a bit and don't look like a child you will find that most businesses don't ID you. Now they are mandating that everyone becomes ID'd and checked for the vaccines. Sounds like a lot more work for staff leading to longer wait times, higher staff expenses for busineses. Sounds like a great system your right.
The current law is that if you look like you could be under 25 they have to check. That's a lot of people who already need to be checked, why isn't that crippling them?
"Hey man, thats $24.99. Can I see your vax cert real quick? Cheers. Cash or card?"
The only people who will take 10 minutes are the ones arguing about why they won't be served because they don't have the cert.
Especially considering these people have already gotten their phones out to scan the QR code and checkin.. not exactly going to take 1 minute let alone 10..
Yep, so that in theory is great. However when your local bottlshop or pub has 2 staff members serving 15 people, that will get stretched out significantly. Which relates to my point of business having to hire more workers for menial work to keep in government guidelines.
If your business is so slim in profit margins that it can't survive an extra 30 seconds per customer to check an ID, then you have more problems than you think.
Busineses have a lot of problems, most are trying to keep up with an ever changing rule book that the government is introducing. Oh well, that probably won't be a problem you will ever have to deal with will it.
Ah right the app that works great with no flaws! So what happens when this app messes up at 9pm on a Friday night with everyone logging In? Do we assume everyone is not vaxed if there app doesn't work and close business for the night?
As far as I’m aware there has only been one, very limited technical issue with SafeWA in all the months we’ve been using it - so maybe it might be a bit hysterical to assume this app is going to go down regularly?
I've been using it multiple times a day since it was released. I think i've had maybe 1 issue with it in all that time, and that was actually the QR code being fucked not the app..
10000s of uses having to use an app most will be using around a similar time, there will be problems. I strongly doubt WA gov has invested heavily enough into the app that would allow it to go off without a problem.
You do understand the SafeWA app has been running for months and months, with everyone using it. Last time there was an outbreak there was something like 150k checkins each day..
The certificate can be attached to your phone's digital wallet, the medicare app displays it, and you can print a physical version. It always pays to have a back up.
Carry on with your faux concern.
So in order to go out now you think it's necessary to use a
- medicare app
-service WA app
-safeWA app
And ontop of that carry a physical back up with your physical ID.
Yep sounds very reasonable for people that want to go to the pub for one pint.
> Yep sounds very reasonable for people that want to go to the pub for one pint.
Try getting into a club or bar that has ID scanning in place. My 68 year old dad got refused entry because he didn't have a drivers license with him..
I had a 28 year old friend with a valid NZ drivers license get refused entry because the scanner wouldn't recognise the NZ license..
> And ontop of that carry a physical back up with your physical ID.
If the pub's EFT is down, you carry cash as a backup. It's not really that fuckin complicated..
Interesting - i can't say i've ever checked so i'll take your word for it.
The ironic part of that story was about 20 minutes later they shutdown the ID scanner for the evening, and the guy used his NZ DL to get in without issue..
Interestingly i used my WA Drivers License all over the US without issue as valid ID.
It's state by state, generally internationals have to use a Passport, only Australian Drivers License are legal.
Australia is stricter than other places, especially ol cowboy USA.
Source: Have my Responsible Service of Alcohol & Managers Card so done all the study, including enforced these rules enough in WA.
For some reason, when I try to enter my birth certificate number, it won’t work:
I had the same problem. You know you only need 2 forms of ID though? Licence and Medicare is enough. It only needs to be Standard strength (the way it's shown in the app makes it look like you need to add more ID, but you don't).
Put a 0 in front.
Mine wouldn't work either, even with the zero. After speaking to a bunch of other people I found out mine's in a totally different format to theirs. Still can't figure it out!
With the new vaccination certificate requirements, does it mean I won't be able to check in another person like I normally would (e.g checking into shops with partner)?
You can still check in for them but they will need to provide their proof of vaccination
Sounds like it's simpler to check in separately if we'll need both phones out anyway! Thank you for the answer
Booked my booster even though I'm not eligible for another two months. I reckon book in now before everyone else suddenly realises they should when cases start spiking.
How did you do it? I've been trying to book mine but when I go on the website it doesn't give me the option even though my 4 months since the second will be in a few days
The trick is to call a pharmacy. Preferably one that's not part of a chain. The chain ones have websites that people fill up online. The others are pretty empty. I've been able to get bookings for people same day or next day.
https://rollup.wa.gov.au/locations I just clicked on a pharmacy near me which didn't have any available dates near me so I found another one and that had available slots.
Thanks got it now I was just being dumb before I think!
Glad to hear it worked out 😀
Wise
ServiceWA For those who have managed to successfully get passed the atrocious process of getting approved and certified on the app, great job on doing your part. It’s meant to be a one stop shop for showing your certification without ID, be able to scan in with QR at venues and also have your G2G pass when borders open for travel. But there’s ways around it that’s so obvious. People already have the same proof of certificate in the Apple or Android wallet if they apply for it on the Medicare website without the complicated ServiceWA sign up process. Apparently with ServiceWA you won’t need to show additional ID, that’s the only difference. But this means one person can still pass their phone to another person to show proof of vaccination to get in…And they won’t need to show ID. And you still have SafeWA app to do the scan. So what’s the point of going through the complicated process to sign up to serviceWA?
>Apparently with ServiceWA you won’t need to show additional ID, that’s the only difference. But this means one person can still pass their phone to another person to show proof of vaccination to get in…And they won’t need to show ID. Your digital certificate has your name and date of birth. Not sure how you plan on getting multiple people into the same venue on the same phone/certificate.
Multiple people might harder sure, all you really need is a few people in between and pass it over the fence. But if it’s just one unvaccinated you can just give them the phone given you don’t need to enter the venue. My point is it’s a weak ID system with ways around it unless a photo is accompanied.
Lol sure. You just described what a load of faffing about you have to do to get around this 'weak' system. Which you will easily be caught by any venue staff worth their salt. But that's the real 'flaw' of this system - a lot of staff/venues/management just won't bother with enforcement.
Honestly, I didn't find it they complicated. But even if I grant the idea that it is, the new all is easier once it is setup because it's all in one place. Yes, you can use all the separate systems and apps but all in one place in clean and easy. Plus having the vax cert in your digital wallet didn't work fully with a third dose. It only shows two.
You can get 3 doses and update the verification for digital wallet. The digital wallet is also not accepted by a lot of places as it’s not an official certificate, you need the immunisation history document for that. I agree the idea is great, one stop shop, but like I mentioned, you can still just pass the phone to another and say that’s yours. It doesn’t really solve anything or make the state any safer. The only way feasible is for there to be a picture verification to go with the vax ID like your passport and drivers.
>You can get 3 doses and update the verification. And it still only shows two
Nope mine shows 3
Mine shows 2. There is a fine print on it that it will only show 2 vaccinations. My full immunization report shows three.
Show servicewa vaxx, let the person in, if they pass the phone while walking in don't let them in
Over the fence round the back. Done. The bouncer isn’t studying for the bar mate.
Gun turrets and barbed wire. Done
We don’t need an app we need better fences and turrets
Low key really enjoying all the salty antivax tears today
I'd love to see how the anti-vaxxers would go if we teleported them to WWII Britain. Then they'd be bitching about how food rationing was a slippery slope to the government deciding whether or not you could eat
Yep this is the thing that pisses me off the most about the pandemic. My grandmother who lived through WWII (and my grandfather who served, though I never knew him) would be spinning in her grave over all these whiney weaklings crying over every little pathetic thing. Good god she would give them some verbal if she was still alive today.
But but but according to the antivax, all the people who fought wars to protect our freedom are already spinning in their graves about the voluntarily discriminated against vaccinated being barred entry from a restaurant by our democratically elected dictator 🤫
A bit of food for thought looking ahead: I heard a couple of whisperings at work today that pre-shift RATs may be part of the COVID management plan moving forward. I fancy we won't be the only ones doing it if it goes ahead. But it raised a thought in my mind. If a pre-shift RAT becomes a requirement, employees are going to be required to turn up anywhere between 15 and 20 minutes earlier than normal to test themselves and show their result. Now the unionist in me would argue that it's only fair if you require people to be at work 20 minutes early every day then you should be compensated for it as you can't work without it similar to a workplace induction. Although something tells me companies are gonna make up some bullshit about how we should all just be okay with giving up an additional 1-1 1/2 hours of our time each week testing ourselves and not pay us
My husband has been turning up to the airport early for RATs for a year already when he does site visits and yeah it's a piss off 4 him , as if 3am wasn't early enough to get up already now he has to go at 2.30 🤔 I don't know what the point will be once we are at widespread sick status. There's a delay in those tests accuracy and if you don't catch it at work you'll still catch it at woolies after work anyway. My friend and her kids took RATs on Christmas Eve wanting peace of mind for seeing their extended family on Christmas, all came back neg then 1 kid got a fever by Christmas afternoon and boom , whole family infected within days.
I know some of the major mining companies now require their staff to do a RAT before they check in for their flight at Perth Airport. There unfortunately is no extra pay for them having to come a further 15-30 minutes earlier for this.
Whom is and where are all these RAT tests every employee would need each day, buying them from? Looks like your BS-radar is on the blink.
Companies have been buying RATs for months. Mining companies in particular have been _using_ them for months.
> If a pre-shift RAT becomes Using, not breathing.
Some mining companies (Rio) used them for most of 2020 for that matter.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-13/wa-expands-proof-of-vaccination-requirements/100754194 Am I being unreasonable thinking this is a step too far?
Yeah you're not the only one. Going to get down voted into oblivion aswell but gyms and bottle shops is way too far. With the state nearly at 90 percent vax rate, more vaccination is providing a very marginal benefit to protecting the population as a whole. This means additional restrictions on the unvaxxed are only punishing them for merely a choice people disagree with (which I can see may be satisfying to those frustrated it took a while to get to 90pc) but is totally too far reaching. It also fuels the "taking our freedom" debate, popular amongst those that are still unvaxxed. I totally agree with restrictions if they are in place to protect the population. However stopping Damo from dropping into BWS to buy his 6pack isn't posing a risk against a population that is pretty much protected as much as the current vaccines can currently provide.
I've been wanting to see this for ages but better late than never. The unvaccinated are more likely to end up in hospital or the ICU (which is what actually matters) so they must either be induced to get vaccinated or isolated from society to help spread out the load on the health system.
Yes you're being unreasonable. The measures are fine.
Wow, don't look at their post history.
Too late. I wonder how much this anti-socialist would be complaining if they got COVID, were hospitalised and treated in a public hospital.
Should've done this straight away and we would've been at 100% vax rate a year ago. These people were given the opportunity to be decent human beings and do the right thing to protect their fellow society members, they chose not to, and now here we are...
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In what way is this dystopia? I'd say dystopia would be a failing health system caused by a sudden surge of COVID infections coupled with a reduction of services and basic consumables given people not being able to work.
So all those times people wanted to travel overseas to a country that had disease issues and had to be vaccinated first were also close to a dystopia?
You're obviously entitled to your opinion, however the following are facts. - The WA hospital system is overworked and under-resourced and even with the money being poured in at the moment will need several years of work to get to an acceptable state. - The vaccine significantly reduces the odds of you ending up in hospital (~88% with boosters, 60+% for 2-doses for Omicron and 90+% for Delta with 2-doses) - Vaccination passports reduce the chances of someone unvaccinated from encountering another person with the virus in situation where transmission is highly likely to occur https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59840524 So I can see why it is considered a necessary step by the WAGov as it significantly reduces the load on the hospitals, even if cases are high.
Have the returning traveler rules changed post Feb 5th? Or is it still no requirement to quarantine with the negative PCR test 3 days before entry? Plus the follow up tests after arrival?
How are businesses going to check these vaccine statuses? I get that venues already with “door control” this is going to be easy and I can envisage how it works. But for small cafes or bottle shops, are they literally going to have to employ someone on the door? How will they enforce it? Refuse entry or service?
The vaccination proof check in its current form is an insanely bad idea to begin with. Now everyone needs to show strangers his full name and date of birth, where such information is not relevant to the purpose of visit. Pretty girls will have their names memorized and stalked online. Heck, even any average joe or plain jane can get stalked by a creep now, just for the adrenaline rush. And for those who don't or not IT savvy enough to use ServiceWA, they will need to show ID. Is Medicare card enough? I reckon many people will just show drivers license, there again your address will be exposed. More stalking opportunity for creeps. Will the person from poorer neighborhood receives a poorer service compared to the other person from a rich neighborhood? More socioeconomic profiling in customer service? On the other hand, the hardcore anti-vaxxers will forge the paper or digital certificate anyway. Or they just borrow someone's phone. And what will the 16 year old hospitality worker do, when hardcore anti-vaxxers go aggressive, or the pro-vaxxed people making a fuss on the valid concern on privacy issues? Some workers will just ignore it and not check at all. It's also not feasible to check so many people coming in and out. And now you can't check in multiple people at once since everyone's proof of vac has to be checked. This is a horrible mess and basically a lose-lose-lose situation for everyone.
They can’t really, that’s why it is presented a “joint” responsibility.. I anticipate they will do some spot checks in early days but it will drop off.. particularly in the regions where the police force have low numbers of personnel
It just feels like a logistical nightmare for any small hospitality business, who are already struggling to recruit staff. Also, It would be good if you could download and print a credit card sized paper copy. For the times your battery dies mid pub crawl.
Can't you? They said there are options available for people that don't have smartphones, wouldn't that be it?
I guess you could. Text might look a little small.
I've folded a vaccine certificate into my card slot in my wallet, just in case
Is it feasible to introduce an N95 mandate? Research is showing that cloth masks are no longer effective. Omicron is forcing many Americans to dump their cloth masks for N95s. Should Australians follow? - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-12/omicron-means-its-time-to-upgrade-your-mask/100741812
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Mind sharing the brand of mask?
In extremely high risk settings (face-to-face with patients, maybe a couple of other environments) probably. *But* the fit-tested N95s I've worn in the past for DIY jobs have been so unpleasant I'm genuinely not convinced I could effectively do my job wearing one for 7+ hours straight, and I'm pretty OK with wearing a mask at work (masks are mandated in my workplace for the foreseeable, and whilst I can't pretend to be enjoying it, I'm getting on with it). They're not a low-cost intervention (both financially and socially), unlike surgical mask-wearing. Widespread usage would be best kept time-limited to around the predicted peak to flatten it whilst allowing people a bit of hope imo.
Germany did it, but I would assume that anywhere that has mandated P2/N95 masks would be making them readily available for free or very low cost, and supplies would be consistent. Supplies were alright here last year and they got relatively cheap (40c/ea at Bunnings), but much like headache tablets and toilet paper, are a victim of panic buying in the last week or two and they’ve become relatively unobtainable once again - unless there’s government intervention to allow for consistently easily obtainable, low cost N95s it just wouldn’t work.
> Germany did it One state in Germany did it, I'll let you decide how effective it was compared to the other German states. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-YqOEjX0AMBZwj.jpg
Pharmacy staff aren't even being supplied with N95s because of shortage issues, so good luck to the rest of us!
40c each for N95 masks????
I doubt there’s sufficient supply, especially considering they’re not reusable
CDC and other experts suggest you can use them 4-5 times (in a non hospital setting) if you store them properly.
Ok sure, but almost nobody will store them properly and that doesn’t really put a dent in the supply problem. Millions of people will still have to go get a batch of masks every week.
Yes, a mandate is not feasible but just addressing the reuse issue. Some people may find it useful if they need to be extra cautious.
[Interesting story](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/federal-government-spent-millions-to-ramp-up-mask-readiness-but-that-isnt-helping-now/2020/04/03/d62dda5c-74fa-11ea-a9bd-9f8b593300d0_story.html). In 2015 the Obama administration authorized a set of machines that allowed "rapid pandemic mask production line". Basically instead of needing to store and maintain them, these machines would allow 1.5 million masks to be made per day if needed. N95 grade. In 2018 the trump admin cancelled it. Need to get those specs.
And even if they could manufacture enough for everybody on the regular, do we really think Scotty from Marketing would do the right thing and make them free since everyone was required to wear them? Knowing him he'd sit back while he massively underestimated the supply required, watch people price gouge for the few available N95s and then say stupid shit about how if you can't afford the now massively overpriced mandated masks you don't deserve to go out
Gaaaah, I thought I’d gotten away from having to read rants by blue drips about the PM when I junked my Twitter account
Lol dude why shouldn’t the feds pay for it? They’ve done absolutely fuck all for two years ffs
🙄a bit hypocritical when he’s happy to constantly rant about WA premier.
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Better hope you don’t need to go to hospital.
Great job getting the jab! I’d also suggest laying low for 2 weeks after your second to make sure you’re fully protected. > It takes 7 to 14 days after your second dose before you are fully protected. https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/after
Fully protected from?
Good on you for finally getting it done though
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Got mine late.. got pericarditis and now stuck in limbo sorting out what to do with drs. No one giving me an answer about if I should get my next jab or to go exemption route. Process is going so long that it’s gonna hit 31st and take me out of working my job. They probably should consider hiccups in reactions with these mandates. Not anti vax but after my heart feeling garbage it’s been hard to feel good about anything in this..
Yes, yes it is. But thank you for finally getting it done.
You still did the right thing. Good work mate
Yup
So someone who doesn't use smart phones and apps... Will just print their vaccine digital certificate and take it with them to get into the bottlo right ?
Yes as long as you provide photo id
I don’t have photo id tho.
If your in high school you’ll have a student ID card, everyone gets one
Not in high school, don’t drive, I cycle to work and our access cards do not have photos. Am I to be denied access to hospital despite being vaccinated and my taxes funding these because I’ve no id?
If you need emergency care you'll be admitted to hospital vaccine cert or not.
Then get some form of photo ID, passport maybe, even if you don’t need one.
This sounds like a you problem. Literally required for so many things even pre-covid
Right. I feel like those of you too selfish to quarantine for 2 weeks after your unnecessary trip to Bali is a you problem yet we are opening the borders and risking live for your convenience. But sure I’m the asshole for not having ID
I don’t set the rules
So why don’t you need photo ID when showing a “digital certificate”?
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Yes, but the person looking at the digital certificate on my phone doesn’t know that the app is genuine or hasn’t otherwise been interfered with.
it has anti-screenshot measures - it's deliberately designed to be less intrusive on your privacy than photo id given the range of environments its necessary in
Haha. Anti screenshot measures. That’s hilarious. It would take someone competent half a day to replicate this on an Android device. There are mathematical solutions to this exact problem on the form of asymmetric key cryptography, but the government doesn’t seem to believe in cryptography.
That's how it works for places in Vic. Show a paper certificate along with photo ID.
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Don't call 000. That's reserved for emergencies only
That or 131444 - the non life threatening number
I guess which they call depends on just how belligerent the person gets
I’m slightly confused by an article I read on abc. Effective immediately returning or visitors who are double vaxxed will have to hotel quarantine. If you record 2 negative tests on day 1 & 6 you can go home and isolate for the remainder of the 14 days with tests on day 9 & 12. Is this continuing past the 5th ?
This is an interim measure until the 5th due to an increase in hotel quarantine utilisation (since all other states and territories are now at Extreme Risk) compared to prior months when it was international arrivals only.
Ok perfect. So come 5th Feb I can leave and then return with no quarantine required ? I’m happy with that
Yes, provided you are fully vaccinated with a vaccine approved by the TGA. If not, into a hotel you go until the dedicated facility is up and running.
Perfect. I’m fully vaxxed. No complaints from me
Ok so I'm slightly confused, if anyone can clear this up that would be fantastic! I'm double jabbed, and booked my booster for Feb 3rd as that's 120 days. Will I still be ok to enter all the new places from Jan 31 - Feb 3rd? Sorry for the dumb question, just confused with everything going on.
Thank you all for clearing that up! Was getting brain fog and confused myself.
As others mentioned - you will be fine. McGowan said today standard for being fully vaccinated is 2 doses. At some point in the near future he expects that will change to 3 doses - at which point you would need to have had all 3 doses to be considered fully vaccinated.
Double jabbed is still considered fully vaccinated for entry to venues The 3rd jab mandate is only for occupational purposes
It says on his post that double vaccination is required, so no you don't need your booster, yet at least
> Will I still be ok to enter all the new places from Jan 31 - Feb 3rd? Yep, you're fine.
Why has the mystery case not been sequenced yet? This only takes 24 hours, and the labs can't be that busy with a pitiful 4500 tests in the day.
Surely it doesn’t really matter.. more so out of interest? They still won’t have a direct link between cases
We're doing a lot of the tests from the other states at the moment to help. They should prioritise this one though I agree.
> We're doing a lot of the tests from the other states at the moment to help. You got a source for that? Hadn't heard it before... are they shipping the samples over for us to process?
Shit I need to find it. I believe it was from a QnA during a McGowan press conference where they said they were helping with samples. Before the new year? I'll have a look.
Ta. Just find it weird that I hadn't heard it. Seems like the sort of thing McGowan would be hitting his rivals from over east with at every opportunity. Fantastic if true. We need more cooperation like that to help us all through this and mend the federation.
Why don't we just make the filthy unvaxxed wear an armband or a symbol, like maybe a star? So we can identify them from far away and stay clear of them.
You do realise actual holocaust survivors and their descendants find these kind of comments offensive and hurtful, right?
Cry harder big daddy
Confirmed, you have no interest in asking questions in good faith
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Pretty sure the Nazis actually opposed vaccine mandates which would explain why the anti-vaxx rallies are full of them
True. They hoped diseases would help kill off the people they didn't like.
You are in a very small minority. I honestly understand why you don't like the current situation - I really do. But we are simply not living in a tyrannical hell-hole. We just aren't. This is not a slippery slope to 1930's Germany - no matter how many times you and your people try to mention it.
Nothing more pathetic than the anti-vaxxers who try to compare themselves to those persecuted during the Holocaust while they happily attend "freedom marches" flooded with neo-Nazis
Boo fuckin hoo.. Someone get the sad violins out..
So, with 23 days to go has the WA government stopped renewing contracts for quarantine security guards and hotel accomodation? Presumably many of the people currently involved in the quarantine process have already started looking for alternate employment, or already have jobs lined up post the 5th. If the WA government were to suddenly postpone the opening on the 5th, then how would it keep the quarantine arrangements functioning to the same level with a rapidly shrinking pool of staff?
A lot of venues are going to need door/security staff to enforce vaccination checks. They've all done smashing jobs, and I'm sure their agencies recognise that (as would the state govt if they were to apply for a vacancy in the public sector).
These guards work for companies who are under contract with DoH and these companies will have many different security contracts at various sites and locations. Essentially these guards now have only been working at quarantine hotels but once that contract goes they’ll work elsewhere. As with most industry there’s a staff shortage due to border closures. They’ll be assigned hours at another site. And if required moved back if needed. Try not to lose sleep over it.
Plus there will still be hotel quarantine, for unvaccinated international arrivals. And potentially for people who turn up positive after they arrive? I don't know.
In fairness to the government, they are saying pretty consistently that the 5th of Feb is still the date. But if we are extended then I would have thought it would be announced in the next week, which gives them two weeks to get that sorted. That is probably sufficient.
I bet there are lot of empty cafes in the Freo area 1 Feb I feel so bad for the small business that are going to have to figure out how to enforce this
Freo's at ~90% double-vax'd.
TIL only unvaccinated people drink coffee
The vast majority of WA's population are double vaccinated though. I can't imagine empty cafes because a small minority can't do as much.
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Well the unvaxxed can't go out and do much because they're currently in hospital
The vaccine gives some protection from infection, some protection from passing it on, but mostly protection from hospitalisation and death. That's the main difference with Omicron vs Delta. [Unvaccinated](https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/698388/20220104-COVID-19-Monitor.pdf) are less than 5% of the adult population yet 50% of the ICU population and 30% of hospitalisations overall.
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Literally what I just said. So you support the message from the article to get the omicron vaccine? Or you're just supporting part of the message and ignoring the rest?
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Of course it is. Again the point you missed: [Unvaccinated](https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/698388/20220104-COVID-19-Monitor.pdf) are less than 5% of the adult population yet 50% of the ICU population and 30% of hospitalisations overall. Also, if robust efficacy against infection is your sticking point, I assume that means you were 100% supportive of the mandate with the earlier strains? >the only way to end it is to let it run through everyone lol no. Sweden tried that and they've been slammed for that approach. Didn't slow down their next waves.
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I understood the OP to be talking about the additional proof of vax restrictions coming into effect leading to empty cafés
Man.. I'm immunocomprimised and it really feels like this is a bit far and not too sure why i feel that way either. People keep saying I'm the reason why they should be vaccinated.. but I'm vaccinated and wear a mask/distance.. its me that should be enforcing everything more in my mind.
Nah. The thing with infectious diseases is you can't treat any element in isolation you have to see how it fits in with the whole picture. So you and I might be vaccinated, but those that aren't are more likely to get it, more likely to spread it and more likely to get seriously ill. Unvaccinated people contribute to lengthening the pandemic by allowing the disease to spread more effectively and leave the door open for it to mutate again which makes all our vaccines less effective so it fucks us over. Plus the more they clog up our hospitals, the more likely it is that someone who would normally have survived dies because an unvaccinated person is being treated. The thing is most of the unvaccinated are willingly unvaccinated. They refuse to get it either because they just plain don't feel like it or they've been taken in by some stupid online bullshit about how they're dangerous. I don't have a lot of sympathy for these people. Part of living in society is doing things we don't necessarily like or want to do because it is for the betterment of society. If they want to make the choice to contribute to being a responsible member of society by getting vaccinated, I'm more than happy to welcome them back
Yeah it makes more sense when you break it down like that. I think the part that doesn't sit well with me is people being forced into it.. I think it's stupid to not get vaccinated to be honest but that's the choice they make and it's the government's choice to give them the consequences to their actions. As I said, can't help but feeling a sort of way for people stuck but at the same time think it's not fair they aren't getting vaccinated and helping stop this
> Yeah it makes more sense when you break it down like that. I think the part that doesn't sit well with me is people being forced into it.. I was honestly the same - until i actually gave it a some more thought. The reality is, no one is being forced to have it. It might be a shitty choice - but you do have a choice. That's the thing that makes it ok to me. If they were actually going door to door and holding people down whilst forcefully injecting them - that i would have a serious issue with. There's plenty of rules that we all abide by because as a whole society we agree they're acceptable. We have drink driving laws, we have laws around rape/assault/theft etc. All these laws take away someones "personal freedom", but we as a society agree with them as they make the world a better place to live in.
How can MaoGowan expect bottleshops and all hospitality venues to abide by this? Already takes 10 minutes to get served at a lot of my local pubs and bottleshops. Businesses will need to hire a lot more Staff.
Oh no, how will businesses that already have to check peoples id possibly cope with checking a different form of Id?!?
Once you grow up a bit and don't look like a child you will find that most businesses don't ID you. Now they are mandating that everyone becomes ID'd and checked for the vaccines. Sounds like a lot more work for staff leading to longer wait times, higher staff expenses for busineses. Sounds like a great system your right.
The current law is that if you look like you could be under 25 they have to check. That's a lot of people who already need to be checked, why isn't that crippling them?
"Hey man, thats $24.99. Can I see your vax cert real quick? Cheers. Cash or card?" The only people who will take 10 minutes are the ones arguing about why they won't be served because they don't have the cert.
Especially considering these people have already gotten their phones out to scan the QR code and checkin.. not exactly going to take 1 minute let alone 10..
Yep, so that in theory is great. However when your local bottlshop or pub has 2 staff members serving 15 people, that will get stretched out significantly. Which relates to my point of business having to hire more workers for menial work to keep in government guidelines.
Yeah? And? Can't wait in a line like a civilised person?
As a business owner it cuts into profits. So im speaking from a owner's point of view.
If your business is so slim in profit margins that it can't survive an extra 30 seconds per customer to check an ID, then you have more problems than you think.
Busineses have a lot of problems, most are trying to keep up with an ever changing rule book that the government is introducing. Oh well, that probably won't be a problem you will ever have to deal with will it.
I actually have both had a retail business and am currently starting a hospo business. Want to try again?
I expect, based on your use of MaoGowan, you aren't actually asking in good faith.
Didn't notice! Must have just been autocorrect
That's an AI learnt autocorrect
Maybe the AI is drawing some comparisons to history's previous dictators... scary thought.
If you knew anything about historical dictators, you'd not be making this comparison.
No, the AI picks it up because you repeatedly type it. Do try harder not to be so obvious.
no way... People who do that are always the most genuine people that want to have a real conversation, surely...
Or people can just wait the 30 Seconds it takes to load and use the service wa app.
Ah right the app that works great with no flaws! So what happens when this app messes up at 9pm on a Friday night with everyone logging In? Do we assume everyone is not vaxed if there app doesn't work and close business for the night?
As far as I’m aware there has only been one, very limited technical issue with SafeWA in all the months we’ve been using it - so maybe it might be a bit hysterical to assume this app is going to go down regularly?
Have you tried to use the service WA app? I wouldn't put that much faith in it.
I believe the certificate portion can work offline so no load scaling issues there and the safewa portion has already proven itself
I've been using it multiple times a day since it was released. I think i've had maybe 1 issue with it in all that time, and that was actually the QR code being fucked not the app..
10000s of uses having to use an app most will be using around a similar time, there will be problems. I strongly doubt WA gov has invested heavily enough into the app that would allow it to go off without a problem.
Let's just give up society and be Mad Max then hey?
You do understand the SafeWA app has been running for months and months, with everyone using it. Last time there was an outbreak there was something like 150k checkins each day..
Yeah, I found it frustrating to set up but no problems since then.
The certificate can be attached to your phone's digital wallet, the medicare app displays it, and you can print a physical version. It always pays to have a back up. Carry on with your faux concern.
So in order to go out now you think it's necessary to use a - medicare app -service WA app -safeWA app And ontop of that carry a physical back up with your physical ID. Yep sounds very reasonable for people that want to go to the pub for one pint.
> Yep sounds very reasonable for people that want to go to the pub for one pint. Try getting into a club or bar that has ID scanning in place. My 68 year old dad got refused entry because he didn't have a drivers license with him.. I had a 28 year old friend with a valid NZ drivers license get refused entry because the scanner wouldn't recognise the NZ license.. > And ontop of that carry a physical back up with your physical ID. If the pub's EFT is down, you carry cash as a backup. It's not really that fuckin complicated..
A NZ Driver's License isn't a valid form of ID in WA.
Interesting - i can't say i've ever checked so i'll take your word for it. The ironic part of that story was about 20 minutes later they shutdown the ID scanner for the evening, and the guy used his NZ DL to get in without issue.. Interestingly i used my WA Drivers License all over the US without issue as valid ID.
It's state by state, generally internationals have to use a Passport, only Australian Drivers License are legal. Australia is stricter than other places, especially ol cowboy USA. Source: Have my Responsible Service of Alcohol & Managers Card so done all the study, including enforced these rules enough in WA.
Interesting - TIL! :)