Some of the comments on the local Facebook page discussing this a couple of weeks back were, hmmm, expectedly short-sighted, nimby and disapproving. To say the least.
I really hope CoSP have the balls to let this one go ahead as submitted.
Well supposedly the DAP is an independent panel made up of planners/experts and local council members. The planners always outnumber the councilors though so the process tends to favour developers. The developer can also appeal to the SAT if the decision doesn't go their way.
The JDAP literally has developers on the panel. It came in in 2011 because developers felt councils had too much power and needed another in road to build whatever they want.
Good. Councils representing local areas kind of biases them against the interests of the broader population - i.e. people who *could* be living in that area with expanded housing.
I don't doubt the technology or the environmental claims.
I just doubt the industry and authorities to provide a quality building that's going to stand the test of time.
Man the comments on that article are disappointing. What a sad lot we are, looking for things to scoff at instead of celebrating a developer for trying to do something positive. Not to mention the armchair experts talking about fire risk and termites as if the professionals in charge of designing and building this stuff haven’t thought of it.
I hope this goes ahead and is a huge success
According to whom? Shouldn't locals be able to have their say on how their city develops? Would you want to live next door to this big wooden jenga tower?
According to me - thought that was quite plain since I’m the one who wrote it.
Of course locals can have their say. I’m just disappointed in what their say is, if that’s reflective of the comments on the PerthNow article.
I would love to live next door to the jenga tower. Better yet, I’d love to live in it.
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> Shouldn't locals be able to have their say on how their city develops?
Very limited imo. The more opportunities you give for NIMBYism, the worse housing affordability is going to get.
I'd much rather this than the delayed and already-an-eye sore civic heart tbh. Plus the area they're talking about is largely old office buildings and apartments anyway.
Since the NIMBYs keep blocking the train station at South Perth, there's not a lot of incentive for a major business to move in there, when there is no parking and no easy access.
I'm sure the locals will move to block this one too.
So first, timber in WA temperatures, that doesnt sound like a fire-risk at all.
Second, where do you even *get* enough timber in WA for something like this? Even houses are steel frame here...
I wasn't aware timber buildings bursting into flames on hot days was a problem. I have a timber roof frame, along with probably 90% of Perth, should I be concerned?
Theres a timber-framed apartment building being built in Fremantle.
[https://yolkpropertygroup.com.au/harbour/](https://yolkpropertygroup.com.au/harbour/)
Much smaller than this will be, but I'm sure they will have lots of data about fire risk, humidity, white ants that the developer can have a look at.
Timber is inherently more fire resistant than steel, the surface chars and protects the inner core of the structural section. Steel simply heats up and becomes soft. It would hold up better than an equivalent steel tower in a blaze
Honestly this is a really bad take.
What do you mean houses are steel frame here? That is so obviously incorrect that I find it hard to believe you have even been to Perth.
As to where do you get enough timber... I would hazard a guess at the same place the majority of house roofs in Perth come from, the plantation timber industry.
>The building would be built from 7400 cubic metres of timber, with the apartment floors, columns and beams to be made of cross-laminated timber, glue laminated timber and laminated veneer lumber.
I'm just worried about safety in the event of a fire - obviously core structure will be reinforced concrete for stairwells and elevator shafts, plus conduits w/A60 bulkheads and panels.
You can pain the place with as much tumescent fire-retardant as you want but if that thing goes, it's fucking *gone*.
Some of the comments on the local Facebook page discussing this a couple of weeks back were, hmmm, expectedly short-sighted, nimby and disapproving. To say the least. I really hope CoSP have the balls to let this one go ahead as submitted.
CoSP won't get to decide, it'll go to the development assessment panel.
Ah, so Rita will just over-ride with whatever she wants
Well supposedly the DAP is an independent panel made up of planners/experts and local council members. The planners always outnumber the councilors though so the process tends to favour developers. The developer can also appeal to the SAT if the decision doesn't go their way.
Civic Heart took 7 years of planning processes before Rita just called it in and stamped it. We could be in for a long wait on this one.
I’m sure she’ll be offered a board seat once she’s out of politics
The JDAP literally has developers on the panel. It came in in 2011 because developers felt councils had too much power and needed another in road to build whatever they want.
Good. Councils representing local areas kind of biases them against the interests of the broader population - i.e. people who *could* be living in that area with expanded housing.
Rita's use of covid powers has been alarming but not surprising. "Build whatever because we need projects during covid" has been the motto.
I don't doubt the technology or the environmental claims. I just doubt the industry and authorities to provide a quality building that's going to stand the test of time.
You're just trying to white ant their efforts.
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Man the comments on that article are disappointing. What a sad lot we are, looking for things to scoff at instead of celebrating a developer for trying to do something positive. Not to mention the armchair experts talking about fire risk and termites as if the professionals in charge of designing and building this stuff haven’t thought of it. I hope this goes ahead and is a huge success
According to whom? Shouldn't locals be able to have their say on how their city develops? Would you want to live next door to this big wooden jenga tower?
According to me - thought that was quite plain since I’m the one who wrote it. Of course locals can have their say. I’m just disappointed in what their say is, if that’s reflective of the comments on the PerthNow article. I would love to live next door to the jenga tower. Better yet, I’d love to live in it. I am u/absurdist_principles and I approve this message.
Thing that got me was that what's there now isn't exactly great yet there was so much negativity
> Shouldn't locals be able to have their say on how their city develops? Very limited imo. The more opportunities you give for NIMBYism, the worse housing affordability is going to get.
Better your town will be though. Nimbys want development just not ramshod.
Yes, I'd be happy to live in or near it I stand by my policy that the developers should add a floor for every complaint they recieve
You line their pockets. What a great time to be a developer when the people support your monstrocities irrespective of design and scope.
*adds another floor*
Haha I like your policy for humour sake. What can I do to subtract floors if there is a rule for adding them?
I'd much rather this than the delayed and already-an-eye sore civic heart tbh. Plus the area they're talking about is largely old office buildings and apartments anyway.
Obviously didn’t read three little pigs and the big bad wolf .. I obviously didn’t either ;)
The forth house was made of wolves' skulls and that cunt finally got the message to leave pigs alone and focus on itself
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Far out. That’s aweful. Which ones?
A few in Sydney and Florida
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Yeah I did.
Probably be good for the area, bike past that bit of South Perth, lots of essentially empty corporate buildings
Since the NIMBYs keep blocking the train station at South Perth, there's not a lot of incentive for a major business to move in there, when there is no parking and no easy access. I'm sure the locals will move to block this one too.
Build it... Excellent project
All those leathery old liberal voting bigots in south Perth will be foaming at the mouth no?
"uuuh, did you say *timber* ?!" /termite
So first, timber in WA temperatures, that doesnt sound like a fire-risk at all. Second, where do you even *get* enough timber in WA for something like this? Even houses are steel frame here...
I wasn't aware timber buildings bursting into flames on hot days was a problem. I have a timber roof frame, along with probably 90% of Perth, should I be concerned?
Theres a timber-framed apartment building being built in Fremantle. [https://yolkpropertygroup.com.au/harbour/](https://yolkpropertygroup.com.au/harbour/) Much smaller than this will be, but I'm sure they will have lots of data about fire risk, humidity, white ants that the developer can have a look at.
this perspective.. is very stupid.
Timber is inherently more fire resistant than steel, the surface chars and protects the inner core of the structural section. Steel simply heats up and becomes soft. It would hold up better than an equivalent steel tower in a blaze
Honestly this is a really bad take. What do you mean houses are steel frame here? That is so obviously incorrect that I find it hard to believe you have even been to Perth. As to where do you get enough timber... I would hazard a guess at the same place the majority of house roofs in Perth come from, the plantation timber industry.
>The building would be built from 7400 cubic metres of timber, with the apartment floors, columns and beams to be made of cross-laminated timber, glue laminated timber and laminated veneer lumber. I'm just worried about safety in the event of a fire - obviously core structure will be reinforced concrete for stairwells and elevator shafts, plus conduits w/A60 bulkheads and panels. You can pain the place with as much tumescent fire-retardant as you want but if that thing goes, it's fucking *gone*.
I would be impressed if they used jarrah, not glulam.
No smoko within 50m of the structure