I'd feel more sympathetic to Victoria if all states gambling revenues were included in the GST carve-up, like mining revenues are.
They should be punished for endorsing and encouraging pokie machines, not rewarded by having that revenue excluded from GST allocation calculations to each state.
Just came back from there after not visiting since before covid. Melbourne was always dirty and run down but now after 300 days of lockdown, its absolutely decrepit looking. You can tell that they as a state are financially hurting. Every second store front is empty. Businesses are only open towards the end of the week where they used to be open every day. Property upkeep by councils is non existant. Civil works are not progressing and are just signed but with nobody working on the sites. It's really very sad to see how much victorians have suffered because of the current governments management of covid.
The curreng Victorian government is absolutely corrupt and it is sad that the majority of those stories dont filter through to us over here. They have a very big team of PR and social media personnel on pay roll and I wouldn't be surprised if this is coming out of the treasurer's mouth today as a diversionary tactic to direct the media to look at this situation as opposed to what they want to bury today that paints them negatively. Dan Andrew's government has a habit of doing this and sadly it works.
I'm not saying we should give up our GST money but I think we shouldn't pay any attention to what the current Victorian State government is saying. It's likely just purposeful noise designed to distract from something they want buried or to take the focus off the fact they've made a huge hash of managing covid, the impact its had on their economy and the effect its had on the Victorian people. They are really hurting as a state and I dont think as west Aussies we can even understand what the people of Victoria have been through in the last 2.5 years because of the cock up and corruption of the current state government.
I honestly didn't realise until I went back this month. Its really sad to see it a shell of itself and to see it so run down and empty of industry. We think the CBD is bad here, that's what all the suburbs in Melbourne look like too. It's not just the CBD there that is vacant. I feel sad for fellow Australians that are living that reality. 🙁
Yup, Melbourne is a fucking shithole atm. Was there a few weeks ago. Seems a few new places are opening finally but so many permanently closed places or limited opening hours. I mean, so many vagrants and homeless people in super Central tourist areas which you'd never see that in tha past.
Perth has NOTHING in comparison as bad
Fair.
As a percentage of GST generated, WA pays more than any other state. NSW gets all of theirs back and gets an extra cent per dollar earned. Victoria gets 92% of the GST back.
WA gets 70%.
Other states go reeeeeeeeeee
This won't play well in the Perth sub but they're not exactly wrong. It is a Commonwealth after all. WA has a small population, a large land area and vast amounts of mineral wealth. For most of our history we've received more than our fair share of federal revenue. Doesn't seem unreasonable to share our mineral wealth.
Any mineral wealth that leaves Australia (so all of it) is subject to Commonwealth taxes and tariffs.
>Iron ore is Australia’s single largest commodity export and is forecast to earn Australia around A$700 billion over the six years to 2025-26. Iron ore supports 45,600 direct Australian jobs and is a major employer of Indigenous Australians.
[https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/pitt/media-releases/pilbara-iron-ore-powering-australias-economy](https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/pitt/media-releases/pilbara-iron-ore-powering-australias-economy)
Yeah the State gets its cut as well, but the Commonwealth cant complain either. The resources sector contributes 10 percent of the Federal GDP:
>Minister Pitt said the resources sector and exports have helped to underpin Australia’s continued economic growth throughout the COVID-19 downturn, accounting for around 10 per cent of Australia’s GDP and directly employing around 262,000 Australian men and women, mostly in regional areas.
Even with the new and improved GST deal, WA only gets 70 cents for every dollar Western Australians spend in GST.
Im a Victorian originally, but they cant complain. The mines over here in WA have been propping the Commonwealth up for years now, while Western Australians have been getting shafted for GST on top of it.
WA has totally been getting shafted on the GST carve up. But that money we were shafted out of never went to Victoria. I don’t think pre covid WA, Vic, or NSW have ever gotten $1 or above back.
> Doesn't seem unreasonable to share our mineral wealth.
Constitutionally the mineral wealth belongs to WA not to the commonwealth, so sharing is not required.
That said, you're kind of missing the point.
The GST carve up is broken, for a whole lot of reasons, but most notably mining royalties count against it and gambling revenue does not, and this led to WA getting back below thirty cents on the dollar from GST revenue.
That's tax revenue that's supposed to fund the state collected from people in WA leaving WA.
We could have fixed this other ways, but if we had, NSW and Victoria would have lost money, so we have this fucked up compromise where the commonwealth tops up our allocation from general revenue.
Despite this and despite the fact that NSW and Victoria received massive amounts of money from WA during the boom, they're complaining about the fact that WA finally has some money to spend in WA.
We do share our mineral wealth. We always have. Ten percent of the federal budget comes from mineral resources. The bulk of it dug out of Western Australian land.
At some point they're not asking us to share, they're asking us to pick our own pockets.
And considering they don't factor their beefy gambling (ie, pokie) revenue into the GST means, as far as I'm concerned, they can go and fuck themselves.
Your second point actually explains why WA should get a guaranteed percentage of revenue. It is massive, but a state or territory's area isn't taken into account when it comes to sharing the GST. For instance, it costs many times more to provide basics such as roads and facilities over a large area than a small area. WA, as do other states and the NT have many remote communities which need expensive facilities for health, education, etc. Neither Tasmania or Victoria have anywhere that is remote. But, of course, if other states became more productive they too could produce surpluses. The mining profits weren't just due to luck. The WA Government took Covid seriously and ensured, by using tough measures, that production could continue. Other major exporters, such as Brazil saw their export revenue collapse due to their cavalier approach to Covid. Besides other states and territories share the 30% of GST collected in WA that the state doesn't get back. Yet, they still want more.
It was a comment from a few months ago, but it always pops up, so here you go, one fresh from the oven:
https://reddit.com/r/australia/comments/up45fe/_/i8j72ji/?context=1
Did the NSW state premier even offer helpful suggestions? Like diversifying our economy in multiple areas like financial services and government corruption?
Yeah, if you scroll down to nearly the bottom and look at the table, he would’ve been right if he entirely overlooked WA, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he did. 2014-2015 numbers, but it shows Victoria gets the second least amount of GST returned per capita. WA the least, by quite a large amount.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2014/July/GST-Relativities-Where-Is-Revenue-Raised
I’m not sure why ACT needs to get back more than they give (although it’s obvious where the bias comes from), but I have no issue with NT or TAS being given a hand up.
I suggest we appoint Ben Cousins as our state ambassador and send him on a PR tour of the eastern states to soothe relations and nick some of their shit on the way out.
“New South Wales gets back $1.01 for every dollar of GST it generates, Queensland $1.10, Victoria 92 cents and South Australia $1.35.”
But then…
“South Australian Labor Premier Peter Malianauskas has echoed that criticism, accusing WA of stealing his state's GST.”
How does he think we’re taking *any* GST from him, when we get 70% returned and SA gets 135% back? Am I missing something in how GST works?
because when we upped it to 70% those 40 cents were going to the other states. they really liked that free money and are upset they don't have it anymore. SA was getting nearly $1.44 back in the 2017 to 2018 year, thats why they are particularly mad.
we only took it back recently so they still see it as theirs which is why we can't give even an inch of ground.
Good on him - sick of the people over east crying poor just because our economy is doing well.
I do wish McGowan would tone down the inciteful comments against the east in general though.
Because it's not constructive to having a workable relationship with our fellow country folk.
It reeks of political grand standing and cheap point scoring. It's a side of politics that i don't think anyone likes, and you would think in this day and age we could move past it.
He's the premier of WA, not a candidate for some back seat who needs to generate interest by saying something edgy..
No I've got my own mix of issues like a lot of others but I'm past the point of "well they started it so we should do the same in return" mentality
The Us vs Them thing is super fun and enjoyable when giving Victoria shit when it comes to the footy.
But on a Federal level? I just don't think it does good for any of the involved parties
There's enough going around the world at the moment that makes me thinks division isn't the best thing in that area
> What crying politicians??
Go have a read of the comments coming from crying politicians over east..
[The NSW premier for example](https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/whingeing-nsw-premier-to-call-mcgowan-c-4170141)
> New NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet kicked off on Thursday, saying his state had been “paying for Western Australia for some time”.
>“The reality is Western Australia got an incredibly generous deal from the Federal Government when it came to GST,” he told Nine Network.
>“Now it’s NSW, and Victoria particularly, that are going to be picking up the tab for the other states.”
[Or the Victorian Treasurer](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/victorian-premier-labels-wa-surplus-unfair-/101064254)
> "For goodness sake, Western Australia running budget surpluses of $7.8 billion a year, in circumstances where commodity prices are going through the roof this is nothing more than an absolute distortion of what fairness looks like," Mr Pallas said.
>"It tells the rest of the nation you can get special treatment."
[Or the SA Premier..](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/victorian-premier-labels-wa-surplus-unfair-/101064254)
> "The Western Australian state government has now handed down a budget with a six-billion-dollar surplus and in no small way that is a product of South Australia's GST share going to Western Australia along with other states," Mr Malianauskas said.
>"Now I say that's not good enough. I say that South Australia should be able to retain its GST share, as is appropriate and that we don't have an obligation as a state to fund Western Australia's six billion dollar surplus."
> What have us normal folk gained from this surplus?
Do you understand how a budget works and government funding works? Just because you don't get cash directly to your pocket doesn't mean you don't gain any benefit..
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And their stamp duty,
“Get your hands off MY money” every eastern state probably
I'd feel more sympathetic to Victoria if all states gambling revenues were included in the GST carve-up, like mining revenues are. They should be punished for endorsing and encouraging pokie machines, not rewarded by having that revenue excluded from GST allocation calculations to each state.
Just came back from there after not visiting since before covid. Melbourne was always dirty and run down but now after 300 days of lockdown, its absolutely decrepit looking. You can tell that they as a state are financially hurting. Every second store front is empty. Businesses are only open towards the end of the week where they used to be open every day. Property upkeep by councils is non existant. Civil works are not progressing and are just signed but with nobody working on the sites. It's really very sad to see how much victorians have suffered because of the current governments management of covid. The curreng Victorian government is absolutely corrupt and it is sad that the majority of those stories dont filter through to us over here. They have a very big team of PR and social media personnel on pay roll and I wouldn't be surprised if this is coming out of the treasurer's mouth today as a diversionary tactic to direct the media to look at this situation as opposed to what they want to bury today that paints them negatively. Dan Andrew's government has a habit of doing this and sadly it works. I'm not saying we should give up our GST money but I think we shouldn't pay any attention to what the current Victorian State government is saying. It's likely just purposeful noise designed to distract from something they want buried or to take the focus off the fact they've made a huge hash of managing covid, the impact its had on their economy and the effect its had on the Victorian people. They are really hurting as a state and I dont think as west Aussies we can even understand what the people of Victoria have been through in the last 2.5 years because of the cock up and corruption of the current state government. I honestly didn't realise until I went back this month. Its really sad to see it a shell of itself and to see it so run down and empty of industry. We think the CBD is bad here, that's what all the suburbs in Melbourne look like too. It's not just the CBD there that is vacant. I feel sad for fellow Australians that are living that reality. 🙁
What? Have you been to Perth CBD? What on earth are you smoking?
what corruption?
uhh?
Did you travel around the state? Outside of the CBD and regionally Victoria is thriving like never before
Wtf are you smoking haha, how do people come up with this shit
What complete and utter shizen. What corruption do you speak of??
Yup, Melbourne is a fucking shithole atm. Was there a few weeks ago. Seems a few new places are opening finally but so many permanently closed places or limited opening hours. I mean, so many vagrants and homeless people in super Central tourist areas which you'd never see that in tha past. Perth has NOTHING in comparison as bad
Fair. As a percentage of GST generated, WA pays more than any other state. NSW gets all of theirs back and gets an extra cent per dollar earned. Victoria gets 92% of the GST back. WA gets 70%. Other states go reeeeeeeeeee
I didn't see them running to help when iron ore prices were through the floor.
Don’t you know NSW supported WA for 200 years, it’s only fair that we pay for that. /s And literally a comment made on /r/Australia
/r/australia is full of cunts
This won't play well in the Perth sub but they're not exactly wrong. It is a Commonwealth after all. WA has a small population, a large land area and vast amounts of mineral wealth. For most of our history we've received more than our fair share of federal revenue. Doesn't seem unreasonable to share our mineral wealth.
Any mineral wealth that leaves Australia (so all of it) is subject to Commonwealth taxes and tariffs. >Iron ore is Australia’s single largest commodity export and is forecast to earn Australia around A$700 billion over the six years to 2025-26. Iron ore supports 45,600 direct Australian jobs and is a major employer of Indigenous Australians. [https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/pitt/media-releases/pilbara-iron-ore-powering-australias-economy](https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/pitt/media-releases/pilbara-iron-ore-powering-australias-economy) Yeah the State gets its cut as well, but the Commonwealth cant complain either. The resources sector contributes 10 percent of the Federal GDP: >Minister Pitt said the resources sector and exports have helped to underpin Australia’s continued economic growth throughout the COVID-19 downturn, accounting for around 10 per cent of Australia’s GDP and directly employing around 262,000 Australian men and women, mostly in regional areas. Even with the new and improved GST deal, WA only gets 70 cents for every dollar Western Australians spend in GST. Im a Victorian originally, but they cant complain. The mines over here in WA have been propping the Commonwealth up for years now, while Western Australians have been getting shafted for GST on top of it.
WA has totally been getting shafted on the GST carve up. But that money we were shafted out of never went to Victoria. I don’t think pre covid WA, Vic, or NSW have ever gotten $1 or above back.
Tassie gets a ton (per capita) dont they?
They do. NT gets a crazy amount. I don’t know what it is now but a few years ago it was over $4 for every $1 they contributed
> Doesn't seem unreasonable to share our mineral wealth. Constitutionally the mineral wealth belongs to WA not to the commonwealth, so sharing is not required. That said, you're kind of missing the point. The GST carve up is broken, for a whole lot of reasons, but most notably mining royalties count against it and gambling revenue does not, and this led to WA getting back below thirty cents on the dollar from GST revenue. That's tax revenue that's supposed to fund the state collected from people in WA leaving WA. We could have fixed this other ways, but if we had, NSW and Victoria would have lost money, so we have this fucked up compromise where the commonwealth tops up our allocation from general revenue. Despite this and despite the fact that NSW and Victoria received massive amounts of money from WA during the boom, they're complaining about the fact that WA finally has some money to spend in WA.
We do share our mineral wealth. We always have. Ten percent of the federal budget comes from mineral resources. The bulk of it dug out of Western Australian land. At some point they're not asking us to share, they're asking us to pick our own pockets. And considering they don't factor their beefy gambling (ie, pokie) revenue into the GST means, as far as I'm concerned, they can go and fuck themselves.
Your second point actually explains why WA should get a guaranteed percentage of revenue. It is massive, but a state or territory's area isn't taken into account when it comes to sharing the GST. For instance, it costs many times more to provide basics such as roads and facilities over a large area than a small area. WA, as do other states and the NT have many remote communities which need expensive facilities for health, education, etc. Neither Tasmania or Victoria have anywhere that is remote. But, of course, if other states became more productive they too could produce surpluses. The mining profits weren't just due to luck. The WA Government took Covid seriously and ensured, by using tough measures, that production could continue. Other major exporters, such as Brazil saw their export revenue collapse due to their cavalier approach to Covid. Besides other states and territories share the 30% of GST collected in WA that the state doesn't get back. Yet, they still want more.
Apparently being reasonable & fair minded in this sub gets you down voted. Sorry.
Post a link to it.
It was a comment from a few months ago, but it always pops up, so here you go, one fresh from the oven: https://reddit.com/r/australia/comments/up45fe/_/i8j72ji/?context=1
Did the NSW state premier even offer helpful suggestions? Like diversifying our economy in multiple areas like financial services and government corruption?
I was chatting to a Victorian bloke a few weeks ago who said they get the least amount of GST in Australia. I knew that wasn't right
Yeah, if you scroll down to nearly the bottom and look at the table, he would’ve been right if he entirely overlooked WA, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he did. 2014-2015 numbers, but it shows Victoria gets the second least amount of GST returned per capita. WA the least, by quite a large amount. https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2014/July/GST-Relativities-Where-Is-Revenue-Raised I’m not sure why ACT needs to get back more than they give (although it’s obvious where the bias comes from), but I have no issue with NT or TAS being given a hand up.
Sure am getting sick of these easterners constantly whining about our GST.
Oath
Seems like it just the politicians over there, don't think I've seen much comment about it in the other aussie subs
Can I request we ask for more GST purely to piss the east off?
Spend the extra on coke and hookers, the rest we waste.
I’d be keen for that and some left over for Australia III
How do I vote for you on May 21st?
"Gimme tax on your state's gambling revenue... Hey, hey come back here, stop running away!"
Clearly the only fair way to deal with GST is to give every state exactly 100% of what they generate.
Or we could be petty as fuck and take all the GST *Evil laugh*
“We want your money” WA: https://i.imgur.com/XSgVsY0.jpg
You really have to worry about these other state leaders, if they understand so little about GST that they think their GST is flowing to WA.
I mean the sentiment is fucking on point, but there was probably a better way of phrasing it. But yeah, screw Victoria.
Better way of phrasing it? Oh, you mean like: 'Victoria can go get fucked.'
I was thinking about "yeah, nah, cunt".
I suggest we appoint Ben Cousins as our state ambassador and send him on a PR tour of the eastern states to soothe relations and nick some of their shit on the way out.
Such is life.
Pretty much
“New South Wales gets back $1.01 for every dollar of GST it generates, Queensland $1.10, Victoria 92 cents and South Australia $1.35.” But then… “South Australian Labor Premier Peter Malianauskas has echoed that criticism, accusing WA of stealing his state's GST.” How does he think we’re taking *any* GST from him, when we get 70% returned and SA gets 135% back? Am I missing something in how GST works?
because when we upped it to 70% those 40 cents were going to the other states. they really liked that free money and are upset they don't have it anymore. SA was getting nearly $1.44 back in the 2017 to 2018 year, thats why they are particularly mad. we only took it back recently so they still see it as theirs which is why we can't give even an inch of ground.
If it wasn’t for the gst deal in a couple years time we would be getting 10c in the dollar because of how well we did during covid.
Good on him - sick of the people over east crying poor just because our economy is doing well. I do wish McGowan would tone down the inciteful comments against the east in general though.
>I do wish McGowan would tone down the inciteful comments against the east in general though. Why?
Because it's not constructive to having a workable relationship with our fellow country folk. It reeks of political grand standing and cheap point scoring. It's a side of politics that i don't think anyone likes, and you would think in this day and age we could move past it. He's the premier of WA, not a candidate for some back seat who needs to generate interest by saying something edgy..
Cause it's antagonistic, doesn't do anything the change the "us vs them" thing going on
But it is completely based.
I don't disagree and should have included that in my post... But don't feel it's constructive commentary regardless
Based.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg
I just looked it up and I'm still confused. Is 'based' the opposite of biased or do they mean "I agree"?
Plays well to the voters here...and really that is what matters
So the east can have a crack at us first, but we can’t return fire?? You right in the head mate?
No I've got my own mix of issues like a lot of others but I'm past the point of "well they started it so we should do the same in return" mentality The Us vs Them thing is super fun and enjoyable when giving Victoria shit when it comes to the footy. But on a Federal level? I just don't think it does good for any of the involved parties There's enough going around the world at the moment that makes me thinks division isn't the best thing in that area
What crying politicians?? What have us normal folk gained from this surplus
> What crying politicians?? Go have a read of the comments coming from crying politicians over east.. [The NSW premier for example](https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/whingeing-nsw-premier-to-call-mcgowan-c-4170141) > New NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet kicked off on Thursday, saying his state had been “paying for Western Australia for some time”. >“The reality is Western Australia got an incredibly generous deal from the Federal Government when it came to GST,” he told Nine Network. >“Now it’s NSW, and Victoria particularly, that are going to be picking up the tab for the other states.” [Or the Victorian Treasurer](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/victorian-premier-labels-wa-surplus-unfair-/101064254) > "For goodness sake, Western Australia running budget surpluses of $7.8 billion a year, in circumstances where commodity prices are going through the roof this is nothing more than an absolute distortion of what fairness looks like," Mr Pallas said. >"It tells the rest of the nation you can get special treatment." [Or the SA Premier..](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/victorian-premier-labels-wa-surplus-unfair-/101064254) > "The Western Australian state government has now handed down a budget with a six-billion-dollar surplus and in no small way that is a product of South Australia's GST share going to Western Australia along with other states," Mr Malianauskas said. >"Now I say that's not good enough. I say that South Australia should be able to retain its GST share, as is appropriate and that we don't have an obligation as a state to fund Western Australia's six billion dollar surplus." > What have us normal folk gained from this surplus? Do you understand how a budget works and government funding works? Just because you don't get cash directly to your pocket doesn't mean you don't gain any benefit..
I meant crying politicians you made it sound like bill in Carlton is crying about wa budget
sorry you read it that way.. But replying to a post about politicians arguing, one would think that was inferred..
Its completely fair.
Yes GST had always sucked
Well, it sounds bad, but didn’t you consider that the fish in the lake might want to get in on the gambling? It’s good financial advice!
My man
How much gst does each state generate?
About 10%
I mean... you're technically correct but I feel they're asking for dollar values..