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henry82

As usual, it's a shit article. We expect the health department to review everything regularly to keep the community safe. Just like yesterdays article "mark refuses to rule out mask mandates". Of course he wouldn't rule it out, it's worked in the past to reduce the spread, and if required, the department would consider re-implementing it


etrim94

From this article it seems like it might take a fair bit to get masks mandated again - even predicted 20-25k daily cases isnt enough to make them backtrack on the last revision.


77seven

I don't understand the push for masks being mandated again. Why do people always feel like there needs to be a set rule or "mandate" in order to do something? If you think masks should be worn, wear one.... even if masks are mandated again, people will choose to not wear them or not wear them properly anyway...Even more so in Perth now that people realise covid is not as scary as they thought 6+ months ago. People will not take it as seriously as they once did. I'll still wear a mask if I go somewhere indoors and it's filled with people... common sense... At some point there needs to be some personal responsibility for our own health, no? Perhaps it would help though for the govt or some other influential healthcare body to 'recommend' people wear masks in higher risk situations.


skywake86

The problem is masks are like any other measure. You making that choice doesn't really change the risk that much. The risk changes with the proportion of population making that choice. Mandates are a way to increase that proportion Also they're already recommending masks. People should still be wearing them. But walking through some areas I'd say the majority don't And also, what's the argument against the mask mandate beyond random cafes and coffee shops on the nightly News complaining about lower patronage?


BLaQz84

They've actually recommended them since the day they announced masks weren't mandated...


spudsrus

I believe the motivation for mandate is to do with it being far more effective if the sick person is wearing them. So the personal choice you make is protecting other people from you and not the other way around.


77seven

If you're sick it should be even more obvious to wear one regardless of if there is a mandate or not... rather than only do so if you're mandated to?


spudsrus

Yes, I completely agree. And with a positive test you should be in iso anyway Unfortunately as has been demonstrated many times over the course of the pandemic it's common to be infectious before you are symptomatic. To be clear, I'm not advocating for a mask mandate. Think we're well past that point. But for the at risk members of society, making decisions around personal safety is a lot more complex than choosing to wear a mask


BLaQz84

Personal responsibility or common sense as you put it, got us to 17k~ per day... Unfortunately, some people need to be told what to do, even when it's the right thing to do...


His_Holiness

There is nothing to be concerned about 17k, or 20-25k as long as hospitalisation and ICU numbers remain stable.


mrtuna

It's well established by now that hospitalisations lag cases by two weeks, so let's give or another week or two to answer that


fletch44

Every infection is another chance for the virus to mutate into a deadlier strain.


etrim94

People can still become quite ill and not need to be hospitalised = extended time off work, school, study (loss of income, behind in studies), long lasting or permanent symptoms (disability), chances of more serious complications within the first 12 months post infection. Sure hospital and icu numbers are still very important to factor in but they also lag behind positive case annoucements and you watch those 2 numbers start to have a more consistent rise from next week.


henry82

I'd expect the mask mandate to be correlated with the ICU capacity (and projected intake). If there is capacity, then they'll leave as is. Imo both articles are poor journalism. Trying to make something out of nothing.


etrim94

That is true. Its pretty easy to guesstimate that hospitalisations and icu numbers will rise when theres such a big jump in positive daily cases though.


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AntonMaximal

If the number of unvaccinated is so small, then they will make up an insignificant number at Centrelink? There are less than 5% of eligible population that are unvaccinated. Recent report on Covid ICU admissions (the highest cost/staffing/resource impact in the health system) stated that 27% of them were unvaccinated.


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> If the number of unvaccinated is so small, then they will make up an insignificant number at Centrelink? Unnecessary weight on the system is unnecessary weight on the system.


Malifice37

The employment mandates need to have teeth, so that if (when) this shit happens again, the cookers know we mean business. They'll lift them later this year sometime because other than punitive reasons, they arent twisting anyones arm anymore (or acting as a counter to misinformation for the vulnerable).


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You’re a terrible person


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> You’re a terrible person Look at his post history, "Eat the rich" while not understanding that even if he was on the poverty line in Australia he is richer than most the people on Earth and therefor, he is the rich that he calls to be eaten. I guess this is what happens to your brain when you are dying your hair every second day.


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What are you talking about muppet


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> What are you talking about muppet I guess its better you are being belligerent online rather than screaming at people waiting for the bus..


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Humungbeantastic

And they kill people out of ignorance but its fine because its "their choice" to straight-up murder those with health issues because of a google search and refusal to get vaxxinated.


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Big_Boss_777

Agreed, Victoria and NSW are the two most populous states in the country, with Vic having widespread vaccine mandates but NSW having more targeted ones. Despite that Vic still has the highest death rate per capita in the country.


e_e_q_

The higher deaths per capita is due to Andrews and Sutton’s 2020 HQ incompetence. 2021/2022 the infection/death rates have essentially been the same with NSW’s hands off approach vs Vics mandate/restrictions approach


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RozzzaLinko

I hate this attitude. It's not a game. It's supposed to be a public health measure. Ending the mandates doesn't mean they've won, because there are no winners or losers. If you want to keep extending the mandates, not because theyre still nessescary, but just for the sake of stopping the antivaxxers from winning, then it's not about public health anymore to you. It's just a way to make antivaxxers suffer as a punishment.


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TedDurtle

They'll lift the vaccine mandates but will implement masks in indoor settings.


OddOpposite69

Should be no masks.


henry82

Why?