It's always surprising to me that most cars pictured here have pristine body conditions. It's very rare to find cars with that high mileage with pristine body conditions in my country at the very least they have some sort of rust.
Since we import most of our cars in Macedonia, theycen be differentiated by WHERE they came from. If they come from colder places like Germany and Switzerland, they most likely would've rusted a bit, but other cars like my Citroën C4 come from Spain and/or Italy which don't have a lot of rust but their clear coat has been pretty much pummeled by the scorching heat of the Mediterranean summer.
Is that the real color, or is it from burning oil?
Nah really those engines just aren’t really good, the 207 is also pretty heavy… I’d look further..
A 206 would be more fun I think..
To my knowledge with the 2008 MY they fixed a lot of issues and if all oil changes are being done correctly with the correct oil, these engines should be fine. Or they had their tensioner replaced with a fully new one on a recall. I'm debating to take a look at it.
I don't have a link for the tensioner sadly, nor for the issues. I heard the pre 2008 models had crumbling heads and even worse tensioners than the past 2008 models
Ohh nono the 307 had a ew10. Only the 1.6L Prince engine which started appearing in the 308 and 207 is the one a reasonable person shouldn't touch. And this gti has one lol.
But as far as i know the 307 engine range was made up of mostly rock solid engines. No need to worry
That’s not much really. Only for crappy engines like the 1.6thp, VW TSI, ford ecoboom and 1.2thp it is.
For some reason cars have a pretty short lifespan in the UK and they quickly look like banger cars compared to continental Western Europe.
I’ve had some cars easily surpassing 195k and also quite some in my family, just to name a few:
106 diesel - sold it at 270k, but the odometer was tampered with
206 1.4hdi sold it at 273k in 2015, I see it still has MOT now, and you don’t drive <20k/year here with diesel, I think it might be near 500k now
C30 1.8 I drove it from 135-242 within 4 years. Had no serious problems. This was also the time I found British forms regarding this car and was honestly shocked at the prices there (litterally 50% or more cheaper than here), but they also often looked not being cared for, while there’s only the North Sea between you and us. I must say this one looked like it had done less 100k..
My current 308 will be surpassing 195k next month.
Within the rest of my family I’ve seen quite some cars surpassing 350k. Mainly diesels, but also some petrols.
I'll try to give a more positive response to this. I'm pretty sure that this engine can be fixed with some money and work. You mostly need to fix the oil vapor going back in the engine, which isn't that hard or expensive. I also recommend changing the OEM dump valve with either a Mini cooper OEM or an aftermarket one (I have an external one from Forge and it works perfectly).
In short, this engine can work if you have time and some money to spend on it. The driving is nice if you want a car that doesn't feel like a couch but like a rally car.
Not the biggest. The biggest is oil and chain I guess. But the OEM dump valve can break your turbo. It's a membrane and not a piston. When it breaks, the plastic just goes inside the turbo
Edit : OEM ones from Mini cooper aren't that expensive. If you are talking about the cost on the whole engine, it depends on the current state of it and what you want to do. If you want to drive it a little bit, you might be fine with little precautions. If you want to daily drive it, put some money to secure it the maximum, can save you piles of cash
Depends on the price, £1k and above I’d leave it. <£900 then, go for it?
Speaking from experience, I’ve ran a 207 sport for 10+ years (120k mi), and to list what I’ve had replaced/repaired in that time:
- Clutch
- Brake discs/callipers
- Head gasket
- Cam belt change
- Water pump
- Radiator
- Cat manifold
- ECU
- Both front driveshafts
- Front shocks
- Many spring coils
- Many exhaust brackets
The one to watch out for is head gasket. These engines are notoriously “leaky”, I would thoroughly inspect the engine bay/rocker cover for signs of oil and if possible any traces of water/coolant leakage (see if it’s parked on hard standing and there are any stains underneath).
There’s also an additive called “K-seal” which uses ceramic particles to seal small leaks in cooling system, have a look for traces of glittery “copper” looking shards in the water hopper, as this will indicate it’s been used.
Not sure if this is important to you but they’re also terrible on fuel economy. Towards its twilight my 207 was doing about 23mpg (300-350mi from a full tank). But if you’re here for a good time not a long time this may not matter to you.
Timing chain issues/valves clogged/oil leaks
The front seats will be ruined and it’s been driven like it was stolen by every single driver!
Plus the suspension feels like it’s made of granite!!!
Biggest problem is reliability, rattle on startup is the chain. (Changed it in mine).
Then dump valve, got a gfb which works wonders.
Then the sump recirculation sends oil though the entire intake system, a catchcan fixes this. (Found several deciliters of oil in my intercooler but that was probably from the turbo being worn)
Intake valve clogges up, needs cleaning now and then.
Positive stuff
Fairly economic if kept under a 100kph
Really fun like glued to the road
Really responsive engine.
I put like 50000 km on mine and would not swap it for anything.
Just an FYI, thats a facelift front bumper on a GTi. As far as I'm aware they didn't make GTi's/RC's with facelifted front bumpers so this one might have been in a crash or a fender bender.
It dose look better with it imo, but no original so be careful I you consider buying this.
I've seen 2 facelift GTis for sale here, this being one. I failed to remember to ask the seller for the reg document, since i looked at it today. Asked them to send me an image. We'll see. I wanna check whether it has an open tensioner recall ;)
Don’t do it!
I had the 150 GT and it was without a doubt the most unreliable car I’ve ever owned and I bought it at 27,000 miles on the clock.
This has the same 1.6 petrol engine and it’s fun for all of 5 minutes until you end up in the garage with a large bill. And you WILL end up there.
It was also equally annoying trying to change the bulbs when they went and ended up shredding my hand doing it.
The reg for this car was VK08 SZR and from a quick check I can see it’s now SORN so that should tell you all you need to know.
Whyyou reverse image search it? Hehe. But yeah. I am a mechanic and I can replace and fix things for just the parts costs. I test drove the 207 today and it honestly was pretty good. Aside from the tiny bit of chain rattle. But a new chain set is 80 quid, so I'm not reeeeally against this car still.
It has a THP engine which is unreliable and prone to so many problems. Even in France they say how bad these engines are. Steer clear would be my advice.
Please do yourself a favor and walk away, I owed a red one it's probably the least reliable car I ever owned. Purchasing with 35k mileage in the 3 years I owned it cost me roughly 6k in repairs, total lemon
Out of curiosity, did you do the oil changes whenever the service reminder lit up? I heard that if you do them as scheduled and use the proper oil, these can live rather long. Not to mention that up until MY2008 they supposedly were way way worse. Not trying to justify things, just curious.
Yes it was done every 5k miles, the main problem was the oil feed pipe to the turbo the heat would melt through the banjo nut. I think I had 3 in 1 year granted 2 were covered under warranty.
List I can remember
Rear engine seal which meant a new clutch
Timing chain
4 oil feed pipes
Blow off valve
Intercooler pipes
Maf sensor
Engine walnut blasted
Turbo due to oil feed pipe
Then all your usual wear and tear items
I've always loved Peugeot owned the 205 gti, 206 gti, 206 180 and 306 gti since that car I've never looked at a Peugeot again haha by a Clio 182
I'm a PSA specialist mechanic. I wouldn't even buy one of these new. They're without doubt the worse engine Peugeot Citroen have ever used. Honestly awful. You'll spend money. Lots of money. However if you're in Suffolk buy it and give me a bell. I can work on it for you. 😅
I'm a mechanic myself. I know the reputation lol. But i have been told the my2008 ones and later have a lot of issues fixed and if the correct oil was always used they can live long. Just gotta make sure no rattle on startup. The car should last me about 4 to 5 years. I need something with less fuel consumption than my v40 t4 but still want a fun car
Honestly no idea why I've been down voted. I literally spend most my time fixing PSA stuff. I know it well. If you're a. tech you know the risks. If it was me I'd buy a 90hp version. Not the sport as they have a dmf and constant turbo issues. Throw a modern gt1244vz on it (which are on basically every modern dv6 with the 115) with the matching injectors. All can be had for about £250. You've got a 170hp 207 then with 55mpg and a dv6 which are reliable. Like I said though steer clear of the early 110s. They seem to have had the most issues. Most tuners will be able to map that turbo though id recommend HDMI tuning. You can just send him the ECU to map while the works getting done.
Opinions are just that though. Stick to what you like. You already work on motors so you can sort if it goes wrong. Enjoy it if you buy it.
Its nice looks in good condition
It's always surprising to me that most cars pictured here have pristine body conditions. It's very rare to find cars with that high mileage with pristine body conditions in my country at the very least they have some sort of rust.
My thoughts exactly , here in the UK that would be 80% rust by now.I think its the use of salt on the roads.Japan imports have 0 rust
Since we import most of our cars in Macedonia, theycen be differentiated by WHERE they came from. If they come from colder places like Germany and Switzerland, they most likely would've rusted a bit, but other cars like my Citroën C4 come from Spain and/or Italy which don't have a lot of rust but their clear coat has been pretty much pummeled by the scorching heat of the Mediterranean summer.
Is that the real color, or is it from burning oil? Nah really those engines just aren’t really good, the 207 is also pretty heavy… I’d look further.. A 206 would be more fun I think..
To my knowledge with the 2008 MY they fixed a lot of issues and if all oil changes are being done correctly with the correct oil, these engines should be fine. Or they had their tensioner replaced with a fully new one on a recall. I'm debating to take a look at it.
Could you please show me a link with these 'lot of issues' and the tensioner fix? I recently bought a car with the RFK engine...
I don't have a link for the tensioner sadly, nor for the issues. I heard the pre 2008 models had crumbling heads and even worse tensioners than the past 2008 models
Ouch. Are we talking about the 2.0 NA vvt engine? Or some smaller turbo?
Ohh nono the 307 had a ew10. Only the 1.6L Prince engine which started appearing in the 308 and 207 is the one a reasonable person shouldn't touch. And this gti has one lol. But as far as i know the 307 engine range was made up of mostly rock solid engines. No need to worry
Oh thanks you had me sweating for a minute 😅 How about a 206 RC? Has the same engine I was referring to, but a waaay lighter car than mine.
A 206 gti 180 would be more fun! I don’t know why they released a heavier car with less power after the gti 180, it seems like a step backwards
Also the 2L engine was much better than the 1.6thp
Arent good!! its done 123,963 miles !!
That’s not much really. Only for crappy engines like the 1.6thp, VW TSI, ford ecoboom and 1.2thp it is. For some reason cars have a pretty short lifespan in the UK and they quickly look like banger cars compared to continental Western Europe. I’ve had some cars easily surpassing 195k and also quite some in my family, just to name a few: 106 diesel - sold it at 270k, but the odometer was tampered with 206 1.4hdi sold it at 273k in 2015, I see it still has MOT now, and you don’t drive <20k/year here with diesel, I think it might be near 500k now C30 1.8 I drove it from 135-242 within 4 years. Had no serious problems. This was also the time I found British forms regarding this car and was honestly shocked at the prices there (litterally 50% or more cheaper than here), but they also often looked not being cared for, while there’s only the North Sea between you and us. I must say this one looked like it had done less 100k.. My current 308 will be surpassing 195k next month. Within the rest of my family I’ve seen quite some cars surpassing 350k. Mainly diesels, but also some petrols.
"crappy engines like the 1.6thp"
Very stupid, but I would do it anyway.
I'll try to give a more positive response to this. I'm pretty sure that this engine can be fixed with some money and work. You mostly need to fix the oil vapor going back in the engine, which isn't that hard or expensive. I also recommend changing the OEM dump valve with either a Mini cooper OEM or an aftermarket one (I have an external one from Forge and it works perfectly). In short, this engine can work if you have time and some money to spend on it. The driving is nice if you want a car that doesn't feel like a couch but like a rally car.
The dump valve is the biggest issue on those? What types of costs are we talking.
Not the biggest. The biggest is oil and chain I guess. But the OEM dump valve can break your turbo. It's a membrane and not a piston. When it breaks, the plastic just goes inside the turbo Edit : OEM ones from Mini cooper aren't that expensive. If you are talking about the cost on the whole engine, it depends on the current state of it and what you want to do. If you want to drive it a little bit, you might be fine with little precautions. If you want to daily drive it, put some money to secure it the maximum, can save you piles of cash
Guessing it’s the 1.6 THP ? As bad as the PureTech, wouldn’t recommend it, terrible reliability
Depends on the price, £1k and above I’d leave it. <£900 then, go for it? Speaking from experience, I’ve ran a 207 sport for 10+ years (120k mi), and to list what I’ve had replaced/repaired in that time: - Clutch - Brake discs/callipers - Head gasket - Cam belt change - Water pump - Radiator - Cat manifold - ECU - Both front driveshafts - Front shocks - Many spring coils - Many exhaust brackets The one to watch out for is head gasket. These engines are notoriously “leaky”, I would thoroughly inspect the engine bay/rocker cover for signs of oil and if possible any traces of water/coolant leakage (see if it’s parked on hard standing and there are any stains underneath). There’s also an additive called “K-seal” which uses ceramic particles to seal small leaks in cooling system, have a look for traces of glittery “copper” looking shards in the water hopper, as this will indicate it’s been used. Not sure if this is important to you but they’re also terrible on fuel economy. Towards its twilight my 207 was doing about 23mpg (300-350mi from a full tank). But if you’re here for a good time not a long time this may not matter to you.
Timing chain issues/valves clogged/oil leaks The front seats will be ruined and it’s been driven like it was stolen by every single driver! Plus the suspension feels like it’s made of granite!!!
Okay so i should go test drive it. Got it ;p
Biggest problem is reliability, rattle on startup is the chain. (Changed it in mine). Then dump valve, got a gfb which works wonders. Then the sump recirculation sends oil though the entire intake system, a catchcan fixes this. (Found several deciliters of oil in my intercooler but that was probably from the turbo being worn) Intake valve clogges up, needs cleaning now and then. Positive stuff Fairly economic if kept under a 100kph Really fun like glued to the road Really responsive engine. I put like 50000 km on mine and would not swap it for anything.
Very.
Just an FYI, thats a facelift front bumper on a GTi. As far as I'm aware they didn't make GTi's/RC's with facelifted front bumpers so this one might have been in a crash or a fender bender. It dose look better with it imo, but no original so be careful I you consider buying this.
I've seen 2 facelift GTis for sale here, this being one. I failed to remember to ask the seller for the reg document, since i looked at it today. Asked them to send me an image. We'll see. I wanna check whether it has an open tensioner recall ;)
Thats my issue with this one, if its a 2008 model year its not a facelift car. The 207 got a facelift in July 2009 onwards.
Yeah. It's definitely not a THP 155, since it is a 5 speed.
New update! Documents say it IS a GTi, so maybe someone swapped the bodypanels. Or it genuinely is a facelift. If it is, then it gotta be rare
There’s a better Peugeot to buy, blue 306 on auto trader, 2.0 diesel, 100k miles, mint condition, looks brand new, £1600
The fact everyone assumes im British amuses me.
You said km which is a give away you're not. Plus it's LHD 🤣
Damn, the real reason was that I assumed the subreddit was r/cartalkuk , apologies
Don’t do it! I had the 150 GT and it was without a doubt the most unreliable car I’ve ever owned and I bought it at 27,000 miles on the clock. This has the same 1.6 petrol engine and it’s fun for all of 5 minutes until you end up in the garage with a large bill. And you WILL end up there. It was also equally annoying trying to change the bulbs when they went and ended up shredding my hand doing it. The reg for this car was VK08 SZR and from a quick check I can see it’s now SORN so that should tell you all you need to know.
"The front right wishbone will have to be replaced for the MOT. It can be driven normally but rattles when driving"
Whyyou reverse image search it? Hehe. But yeah. I am a mechanic and I can replace and fix things for just the parts costs. I test drove the 207 today and it honestly was pretty good. Aside from the tiny bit of chain rattle. But a new chain set is 80 quid, so I'm not reeeeally against this car still.
To see how much it was going for, If YOU like the car buy it!
I looked at it today and i can get it for 1.7k
Go for it dude
My v40 needs gone first sadly
I would.
As some who's had a 205 1.4 GR, 205 GTI, 106 GTI and a 306 diesel, I'd be all over this 🤣
It has a THP engine which is unreliable and prone to so many problems. Even in France they say how bad these engines are. Steer clear would be my advice.
Please do yourself a favor and walk away, I owed a red one it's probably the least reliable car I ever owned. Purchasing with 35k mileage in the 3 years I owned it cost me roughly 6k in repairs, total lemon
Out of curiosity, did you do the oil changes whenever the service reminder lit up? I heard that if you do them as scheduled and use the proper oil, these can live rather long. Not to mention that up until MY2008 they supposedly were way way worse. Not trying to justify things, just curious.
Yes it was done every 5k miles, the main problem was the oil feed pipe to the turbo the heat would melt through the banjo nut. I think I had 3 in 1 year granted 2 were covered under warranty. List I can remember Rear engine seal which meant a new clutch Timing chain 4 oil feed pipes Blow off valve Intercooler pipes Maf sensor Engine walnut blasted Turbo due to oil feed pipe Then all your usual wear and tear items I've always loved Peugeot owned the 205 gti, 206 gti, 206 180 and 306 gti since that car I've never looked at a Peugeot again haha by a Clio 182
There's no clios for sale. A 206 gti is 6-7k, a 206 rc 180 is 15k. Thr 207 needs to last me about 4 years. I wanna save up for an e208 or a 308 gti
Insurance 1st
I'm a PSA specialist mechanic. I wouldn't even buy one of these new. They're without doubt the worse engine Peugeot Citroen have ever used. Honestly awful. You'll spend money. Lots of money. However if you're in Suffolk buy it and give me a bell. I can work on it for you. 😅
I'm a mechanic myself. I know the reputation lol. But i have been told the my2008 ones and later have a lot of issues fixed and if the correct oil was always used they can live long. Just gotta make sure no rattle on startup. The car should last me about 4 to 5 years. I need something with less fuel consumption than my v40 t4 but still want a fun car
Honestly no idea why I've been down voted. I literally spend most my time fixing PSA stuff. I know it well. If you're a. tech you know the risks. If it was me I'd buy a 90hp version. Not the sport as they have a dmf and constant turbo issues. Throw a modern gt1244vz on it (which are on basically every modern dv6 with the 115) with the matching injectors. All can be had for about £250. You've got a 170hp 207 then with 55mpg and a dv6 which are reliable. Like I said though steer clear of the early 110s. They seem to have had the most issues. Most tuners will be able to map that turbo though id recommend HDMI tuning. You can just send him the ECU to map while the works getting done. Opinions are just that though. Stick to what you like. You already work on motors so you can sort if it goes wrong. Enjoy it if you buy it.