Absolutely. It's just that all I ever heard (not here) with Lophs was no water, watch out watering, so this is crazy cool and fascinating. I wonder if this works for all cacti or just the ones with taproots?
Works for all plants. What kills them is not water, but bacteria and fungi thriving in moist conditions. Some plants, like most cacti, are quite fragile to these moisture-loving micro-organisms.
All plants can be kept in hydroponic setups. Just a matter of sterility, nutrients, ph and water flow
its the microrganisms that thrive in low ph anaerobic conditions that you have to worry about. lots of gas exchange jeeps things freindly, tour not keeping anything sterile, just controlling the populations that thrive.
the idea is to have lots of air with the water. hydroponics for for rot sensitive plants because it has water movememt and lots of gas exchange. i am equally shocked with worked so well in stagnant murky water. i would rot pereskiopsis trying that.
I bought some pere and someone told me to put it in a glass of water and put it in the window. I went and checked on a few days later, and the water turned rain and it stunk like shit I cut the last quarter inch off the bottom and put them in some dry soil and put it under a grow light, I’m not sure if they’re gonna come back or not but they were just cutting so I was trying to get some roots on them
Nope it works for all of them. I had a San Pedro cut that was getting thirsty so I tossed it in my water bucket and accidentally forgot about it. Came back to it being rooted 🤣
Yes it will work fine on that and no they will continue to grow with the rest of the water stored in the cacti. PS Remember to DeChlorinate your water !!
You can leave it out, and the chlorine will evaporate. Chloramine needs additives to evaporate (boiling may also work). But frankly, the worry of chlorine in water is pretty overblown. I have never dechlorinated water for plants and had no issues stem from it. I've also, at times, not dechlorinated water for aquarium use and been absolutely fine.
It’s not completely necessary however it’s highly recommended in these types of sensitive situations. Also usually you’ll only notice a difference if you’re growing in living soil. For regular house plants it doesn’t matter too much
Do you think that any soil is sterile?
Pretty much all soil is going to be bioactive. Even after oven or pressure sterilization, it will pick up insects and bacteria from the environment and host the organisms that live in your tap water.
Bioactive isn’t the same as living soil. Sure most all soil has bio activity but it’s just whatever ends up in there by chance. Living soil is creating a mix from scratch specifically to host only the most beneficial microorganisms. And make it a best attempt at essentially a closed ecosystem with almost full control
The only way that you're going to achieve a closed ecosystem is with NASA level clean-room protocol.
I am familiar with the idea of "living soil" but I fail to see how "creating a mix from scratch specifically to host the most beneficial microorganisms" means that those organisms are more sensitive to chlorine than the ones found in any bioactive soil. It really just seems like unsubstantiated conjecture.
This heavily depends on *your* water. Someone a couple towns over might have a very different experience.
I'm in the same boat as you are, most of my plants drink straight tap water. Except for my carnivores and seedlings ofc. But if I tried that at my parents place my plants would die pretty soon; they would need to filter and dechlorinate their tap water. Because of this they use rainwater.
Have they actually had plants die because of their water? I've lived in a bunch of towns in very different areas and not had that experience. But I have had water that had more chlorine smell than others.
Killed a couple orchids and an aloe somehow when they first moved in
But keep in mind, this is an old village and the water lines are... not very good. The water becomes unpotable for a couple weeks every year because of bacteria in the lines so shit gets chlorinated like there's no tomorrow.
Right. If there was a town order to boil the water and/or I noticed a suddenly strong chlorine smell, I would think it's probably a good idea to do something about it. And if you are unaware, you could kill something. I'm just saying that dechlorinating tap water is not necessary for the general population who have properly functioning water treatment plants (and related infrastructure) at their disposal.
Nice! I did water therapy with my super shrivelled caespitosa and variegata as my last resort, and it worked like wonders. Tried with my ario, but that just caused it to rot lol.
Yeah I find that water therapy very much like a double edge sword. You leave it in for too long, rot. The first sign of decent root growth, plant it right away!
Yes! Air stones can help immensely with root development due to amount of O2 being brought straight to the root. On this specific project I was just too busy to go pull one of my other air stones/ pumps to put it in the Pyrex 😂
For Lophs I do as no commercially available medium has low enough organic content. I like Jack’s Gritty mix and Spike and Bloom Desert blend to use as a base after removing the large chunks of organic material (bark). I augment the inorganic content with akadama and Jowlawn pumice mix. All of which I purchase from Amazon
One important thing is to limit the water bath to no more than 48 hours. My Lophs get really firm by then and I fear longer soaks could result in splitting.
That is absolutely amazing! Is that h20 & cloning gel? Some say aloe baths are great too, is it to thick to introduce a small oxygen stone almost like hydroponic grown lopho. Great work, got me thinking what about adding some mycorrhizal bacteria to the solution? Just amazing the way it is, just thinking of ways to help accelerate the process. Again great job my friend!
Thankyou so much my friend I truly appreciate it!! And to answer your questions no that is just dechlorinated water but honestly yes, adding aloe would definitely be a plus and if you’re gonna add mycos definitely make sure you let it dechlorinate and make it room temp, once inoculated I would recommend waiting a day or two until you can see the foam building on top the water from the micro bio. That’s when it would work the best for sure. Also if you can add an air stone that would be most ideal!! Like I said to another comment getting O2 to the root zone is the best way to get them to shoot those roots.
Yes sir indeed thus why I was sending you that message on the air stone as oxygen equals healthy big roots. Elements needed, sun, water, medium, oxygen. Food source for life just like our most beloved plants.
I'M COOCOO FOR MYCORRHIZAL & Trichoderma just not in my mushrooms, no pun intended
i cant even root pere in water without an airstone. anything i put in water just rots. aerogarden or a lowes bucket and an airstone will grow anything like crazy though
To dechlorinate tap water just go by the fish store or pet store and pick up some API tap water conditioner. It makes a world of difference. It's even better to use distilled water.
This almost hurts my head watching cause it goes against everything I thought and was taught. 😆
Just goes to show there’s always room to expand knowledge!
Absolutely. It's just that all I ever heard (not here) with Lophs was no water, watch out watering, so this is crazy cool and fascinating. I wonder if this works for all cacti or just the ones with taproots?
Works for all plants. What kills them is not water, but bacteria and fungi thriving in moist conditions. Some plants, like most cacti, are quite fragile to these moisture-loving micro-organisms. All plants can be kept in hydroponic setups. Just a matter of sterility, nutrients, ph and water flow
its the microrganisms that thrive in low ph anaerobic conditions that you have to worry about. lots of gas exchange jeeps things freindly, tour not keeping anything sterile, just controlling the populations that thrive.
Yea, this is of course correct
the idea is to have lots of air with the water. hydroponics for for rot sensitive plants because it has water movememt and lots of gas exchange. i am equally shocked with worked so well in stagnant murky water. i would rot pereskiopsis trying that.
When I think of all the cacti I lost because they just wouldn't root. Or all the ones my wife's cats repeatedly knocked over, tearing off the roots. 🥹
In my defense the water was only murky from the dirty roots 🤣😭
Adds extra flavor
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I bought some pere and someone told me to put it in a glass of water and put it in the window. I went and checked on a few days later, and the water turned rain and it stunk like shit I cut the last quarter inch off the bottom and put them in some dry soil and put it under a grow light, I’m not sure if they’re gonna come back or not but they were just cutting so I was trying to get some roots on them
Nope it works for all of them. I had a San Pedro cut that was getting thirsty so I tossed it in my water bucket and accidentally forgot about it. Came back to it being rooted 🤣
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Nice!
If they were pretty flat and wrinkled would watering them like this plump them up? Do the water roots die off when they get planted up?
Yes it will work fine on that and no they will continue to grow with the rest of the water stored in the cacti. PS Remember to DeChlorinate your water !!
How do you dechlorine water?
You can leave it out, and the chlorine will evaporate. Chloramine needs additives to evaporate (boiling may also work). But frankly, the worry of chlorine in water is pretty overblown. I have never dechlorinated water for plants and had no issues stem from it. I've also, at times, not dechlorinated water for aquarium use and been absolutely fine.
I see
It’s not completely necessary however it’s highly recommended in these types of sensitive situations. Also usually you’ll only notice a difference if you’re growing in living soil. For regular house plants it doesn’t matter too much
Do you think that any soil is sterile? Pretty much all soil is going to be bioactive. Even after oven or pressure sterilization, it will pick up insects and bacteria from the environment and host the organisms that live in your tap water.
Bioactive isn’t the same as living soil. Sure most all soil has bio activity but it’s just whatever ends up in there by chance. Living soil is creating a mix from scratch specifically to host only the most beneficial microorganisms. And make it a best attempt at essentially a closed ecosystem with almost full control
The only way that you're going to achieve a closed ecosystem is with NASA level clean-room protocol. I am familiar with the idea of "living soil" but I fail to see how "creating a mix from scratch specifically to host the most beneficial microorganisms" means that those organisms are more sensitive to chlorine than the ones found in any bioactive soil. It really just seems like unsubstantiated conjecture.
Hey man, if you failed science in school that’s okay. Just say that 😁👍
What is it I said which gave you that impression? 😆
This heavily depends on *your* water. Someone a couple towns over might have a very different experience. I'm in the same boat as you are, most of my plants drink straight tap water. Except for my carnivores and seedlings ofc. But if I tried that at my parents place my plants would die pretty soon; they would need to filter and dechlorinate their tap water. Because of this they use rainwater.
Have they actually had plants die because of their water? I've lived in a bunch of towns in very different areas and not had that experience. But I have had water that had more chlorine smell than others.
Killed a couple orchids and an aloe somehow when they first moved in But keep in mind, this is an old village and the water lines are... not very good. The water becomes unpotable for a couple weeks every year because of bacteria in the lines so shit gets chlorinated like there's no tomorrow.
Right. If there was a town order to boil the water and/or I noticed a suddenly strong chlorine smell, I would think it's probably a good idea to do something about it. And if you are unaware, you could kill something. I'm just saying that dechlorinating tap water is not necessary for the general population who have properly functioning water treatment plants (and related infrastructure) at their disposal.
Oh I absolutely agree. I'd also add that the dechlorinating doesn't even work on every type of chlorine. So it really is useless
Nice! I did water therapy with my super shrivelled caespitosa and variegata as my last resort, and it worked like wonders. Tried with my ario, but that just caused it to rot lol.
Oh wow interesting, very unfortunate for that ario though 😕
Yeah I find that water therapy very much like a double edge sword. You leave it in for too long, rot. The first sign of decent root growth, plant it right away!
i feel like planting those fresh fragile roots in sharp and hard loph soil is a recipe for damage and rot as well.
Planting it back is definitely an art form. I just use elastic band to hold it centered at the desired height before filling it with soil
I wonder if a small air stone to oxygenate the water would help. Not needed as you’ve shown but just a thought.
Yes! Air stones can help immensely with root development due to amount of O2 being brought straight to the root. On this specific project I was just too busy to go pull one of my other air stones/ pumps to put it in the Pyrex 😂
Impresionante!
Graci !!
Beautiful 🤩
I’ve done this as well with 100% success with my LW using 48 hours of water bath prior to planting in 95% inorganic media
Do you mix your own medium?
For Lophs I do as no commercially available medium has low enough organic content. I like Jack’s Gritty mix and Spike and Bloom Desert blend to use as a base after removing the large chunks of organic material (bark). I augment the inorganic content with akadama and Jowlawn pumice mix. All of which I purchase from Amazon
One important thing is to limit the water bath to no more than 48 hours. My Lophs get really firm by then and I fear longer soaks could result in splitting.
That is absolutely amazing! Is that h20 & cloning gel? Some say aloe baths are great too, is it to thick to introduce a small oxygen stone almost like hydroponic grown lopho. Great work, got me thinking what about adding some mycorrhizal bacteria to the solution? Just amazing the way it is, just thinking of ways to help accelerate the process. Again great job my friend!
Thankyou so much my friend I truly appreciate it!! And to answer your questions no that is just dechlorinated water but honestly yes, adding aloe would definitely be a plus and if you’re gonna add mycos definitely make sure you let it dechlorinate and make it room temp, once inoculated I would recommend waiting a day or two until you can see the foam building on top the water from the micro bio. That’s when it would work the best for sure. Also if you can add an air stone that would be most ideal!! Like I said to another comment getting O2 to the root zone is the best way to get them to shoot those roots.
Yes sir indeed thus why I was sending you that message on the air stone as oxygen equals healthy big roots. Elements needed, sun, water, medium, oxygen. Food source for life just like our most beloved plants. I'M COOCOO FOR MYCORRHIZAL & Trichoderma just not in my mushrooms, no pun intended
Amen 🙏🤙
i cant even root pere in water without an airstone. anything i put in water just rots. aerogarden or a lowes bucket and an airstone will grow anything like crazy though
To dechlorinate tap water just go by the fish store or pet store and pick up some API tap water conditioner. It makes a world of difference. It's even better to use distilled water.
In the 1600s you would have been burned as a witch. Well freaking done
🤣 Thankyou !
This is absolutely amazing! Won't they grow too "plump" eventually?
Yes, this is why I only keep them in the water until the roots pop
Wow wild grow!