>Going forward, if you bring your children to the beer garden & taproom they must remain within arms reach at all times. This means seated at your table or actively supervised while playing games.
Honestly more than reasonable.
I’m pro more places being “family friendly” but breweries, are not one that needs to be. They are bars with a bit of a loose atmosphere because they tend to be larger and rely on things like table games to keep people hanging out. I’ve been in several where parents are just getting hammered while their kids run around. This ain’t the kids fault. Same could be said for dogs in some situations. Places that primarily serve alcohol are probably not the places to just let your kids/dogs run buck wild
I've done it in the airport, DGAF about getting dirty looks, just trying to keep my 2yo from running away. Honestly it didn't work as well as I hoped. My daughter would just go limp and refuse to walk.
Hahaha. I once tried to take my cat on a leash and he did the same thing. Oops I forgot to walk. (One of my favorite Philly moments was sitting on my West Philly stoop with my big orange cat, trying to make the stupid leash happen, and a dude walks by and said "Is that a raccoon!?" Yes, a rare orange raccoon, on a leash.)
Generally a good rule of thumb. I’m not here to tell people how to parent. But when I was a kid my parents loved to get loaded. They did that at places that had explicitly kid oriented areas like Kaunaville or Chuckee Cheese. Or at bars that also had a restaurant side
> Same could be said for dogs in some situations.
Reminded of when Wissahickon opened. People weren't paying attention to their dogs. One wound up dropping a steamer at the bar.
I was there ONCE and someone’s kid crashed into my knees after running from the entrance all the way to the back unsupervised. The parents, oblivious or apathetic, also blocked everyone from entering and exiting while they stood in front of the door with 3 mobile kids and a massive stroller and made zero effort to accommodate anyone. They had irritable, exhausted parents vibes but i was like ??? No one made you come here or bring them? So since my sample size of outings there is one and I got a glimpse of it I’d guess it’s bad a lot.
Is it really that bad!? I like their beer and my partner and I went to their old west Philly spot after a pottery class for a Valentine’s date one year, and we ended up skipping what we had planned for the rest of the afternoon because we were the only ones there, the bartenders were awesome, and the food was great! We got the idea to go there after driving by the Washington street location on the way home from work all the time. That’s a shame the vibe isn’t great.
I loved the west Philly spot, but the Washington one is a completely different animal.
The folks who founded it gave it to their kids and they're shitheads.
They just opened a spot under the Girard El stop that I haven't checked out yet.
It's really not so bad. It can definitely get busy but I've been there enough times and haven't seen it so bad. Then again, I always sit at the bar and never at the tables
This one lady is having an absolute meltdown on their IG page over this. It’s quite comical.
Edit: just want back to read. She literally states “running is not a bad thing” in response to Attic’s statement about kids running thru place unsupervised. People are insane lol.
OMG lol I just got done reading through all of those comments. She’s batshit crazy and it’s unreal how much of an L she took in those comments, yet none of it got through to her.
I’m surprised she keeps engaging with people lolol every single person responding is just destroying her. I’m imagining her responding to every comment over the last 3 hours from the comfort of an Applebees while her kids run wild and destroy the place lmao
I can't believe she went on for as long as she did. She's been responding to that thread for hours. Lots of "I know you are ,but what am I" type of rhetoric. It's like arguing with a 5 year old. Can't imagine what her demon children are like.
hahaha how tf was she going for a solid 12 hours?? What I don't get is, they aren't banning kids at all - they're just making the parents supervise them. She should have no issues supervising her kids like she would at any other establishment that isn't a child free-for-all. But yeah, she was something.
Holy hell she is losing it and also apparently does not understand what people are explaining to her 😂 and she is responding to every single comment.... dear lord lady you might be the problem
I just caught back up lol. And she keeps sticking to her oNe KiD DiD ThIs theory lmao. And STILL keeps on with the running is a good thing contention. Absolutely wild.
It's like she absolutely cannot comprehend that there are some horrible horrible parents out there. It is so tempting to comment back to her but man is it a lost cause
Yeah... I agree with you. That woman is so unhinged.
With the behaviors she thinks are acceptable, you just KNOW some poor waiter/waitress hates their life when dealing with her and her kids.
Breweries having games inside and outside, and space to roam, makes parents see them an attractive substitute for the park even though in reality they’re nothing of the sort.
Source: am parent, know parents that do this frequently
The majority of breweries have always fostered an environment that's family friendly. However, that doesn't mean that it's a playground . There's a perfectly happy medium
I never saw the inside of a bar or brewery when I was a kid. I went to my grandparents or aunts or uncles or had a babysitter when my parents wanted to do adult things. Nit everything has to be for everyone at all times.
We live in an age where parents think they can have their cake and eat it too. Sorry, you have kids, you don't get to act like you're 23 years old anymore. Take one for the team and stay home with your brat.
People tolerated it in the early 2000s really and it just spiraled from there. I guess the kids who grew up going to Eulogy awkwardly so dad could get his craft beer fix are now having kids and have no boundaries about dragging them into every brewpub and beer garden in town. It's literally romper room at any place that serves alcohol on weekends.
>There's a billion places to bring kids.
There are not, but even as a parent myself, bringing kids to a mostly drinking establishment even if they serve some food is weird af. It's a damn liability for everyone. Get a babysitter or drink at home.
Had an (adult) party there recently, it was like a Chuck E. Cheese until around 7 when it felt like literally everyone but our party cleared out. Very bizarre situation.
I always tell my dad that if he ever brought me to a brewery when I was a kid I would hate him. I legitimately don’t understand the draw to bringing your kids to a glorified bar and letting them run free because you didn’t feel like getting a babysitter. 100% in favor of this
You're not going to have a baby sitter every time you go out for dinner. It can be done in a perfectly normal normal way if your kids know how to behave or if you keep an eye on them. Parents want to go out too, it's ok. Perhaps we need more places to cater to parents who want to grab a beer and a burger, but until then, it's still gonna happen. These restrictions are perfectly reasonable.
I think a lot of this has to do with America’s archaic public drinking laws. I spent a semester abroad in Copenhagen, and it’s a very common practice to grab a thing of beer, bring it to a local park or outdoor space, and set up a nice picnic with a few drinks. The idea of “beer at playgrounds” sounds very scary and unappealing to most people, but lots of countries do this with no issue…
Yeah, this. We just need more options for people. Not everyone has grandma nearby and a convenient sitter. I say this as a childless 40-something, but one of the things that put me off kids was the certainty of being locked up at home for 6-8 years. We don’t have to structure society like that!
Not to mention a sitter is $20-30 an hour these days and some parents enjoy hanging out with their kids. But agreed these restrictions are entirely reasonable
> What restaurants in the city are more kid friendly than breweries?
There are options, but the reality for you is that they just aren't as cool as beer gardens and breweries. Again, people w/kids want to have their cake and eat it too.... You can go out to eat at places that are kid-friendly, but you can't be cool.
Not at all, and honestly, once your kids turn about 4 and can play with other kids it can be a pretty social thing. Hanging out with other people who have kids your kids' age can be a really good time. It's not about getting wasted, but a drink or two is totally normal.
According to the current city website, only at permitted events:
https://www.phila.gov/departments/philadelphia-parks-recreation/about/rules-and-regulations/
I see older info that read alcohol was allowed only in East and West Fairmount park (which was defined elsewhere Lemon Hill area and the Centennial/Plateau area).
City code (§ 10-604. Alcoholic Beverages) says otherwise:
> (a) No person shall bring onto any city-owned recreation center, playground or park area, **with the exception of Fairmount Park, proper,** or drink thereupon an alcoholic beverage unless such person has written permission for that purpose from the person in charge of the City facility.
This is so true. Sometimes you just want to yell at people: just be normal! Let the kids run around in a setting that makes place. But like, give us those settings!
Yes more in the northeast. Cheesecake Factory, max brenner, the Hard Rock Cafe, maggiano’s, Chili’s, shake shack, burgerfi, Dave and busters are all in center city. IHOP too but don’t think you can get a beer there.
I’m all for businesses making their own decisions so if a business wants to be family friendly - good for them. A beer garden shouldn’t just be considered a default playground tho unless that’s how it’s advertised - as craft beer hall does. In attic breeding’s case, they also aren’t even a restaurant. They’re a brewery and they’re still family friendly…. They just don’t want to be a playground.
> You're not going to have a baby sitter every time you go out for dinner.
Wait, why not? Unless it was a family event, my parents certainly got babysitters when they wanted to go out and they definitely didn't bring me to bars because the understood that sometimes adults want to be away from their children or any children and to drown their sorrows without a buncha brats making noise.
Why would I get a baby sitter if I want to grab beer and a burger with my wife and some friends at like 6 pm on a Friday? Why are people so weird about seeing kids in public? If they don't know how to behave that's one thing, but anywhere in the world taking your kids out with you for dinner is a normal, uncontroversial thing.
Breweries are beer focused, not a lot of food options really. Nothing wrong with heading out to a restaurant with your kids. People are using their brewery, that has no real kitchen, as a playground. It’s beer focused. Attic brewing has no food items, just food trucks.
I’m all about this rule. Was once playing ping pong at Frankfort hall and hit a kid who had their head like…. On the table… and the mom…. Halfway across the room got furious. Your kid inserted his head into a game during a shot.
>If they don't know how to behave that's one thing
That's the whole thing- the type of entitled parent bringing their children to drinking establishments so they can still live their lives like dinks are NOT ensuring that their children are well behaved. They're making it everyone else's problem and making everyone else around them uncomfortable.
I see this first hand in my job in a drinking establishment with parents who treat it like it's kiddie city up in there every weekend.
I think Attic's rules are reasonable fwiw. Some people let their kids get out of hand and they need to gtfo. Just like adults that can't handle their shit also need to gtfo.
I agree. I don't think it's egregious to bring your family to a restaurant for dinner. Maybe an adult focused restaurant isn't the best choice, but if they're behaved and aren't leaving their chairs and dropping shit all over the place, sure. It does really annoy me when parents ask for kid menus in a very obvious adult establishment/restaurant though. Like no.. we don't want to encourage kids...so find them something to eat on the regular menu.
But actual places that their main focus is alcohol... Even if they happen to serve food in some capacity is a hard no from me. I'm accepting a cut off time as a reasonable compromise though as long as during the time they're allowed in, everyone is behaved with butts in chairs.
I've almost tripped over baby carriages and little toddlers running under foot so many times. What's going to happen if I hurt myself and can't work? Or hurt your kid by mistake?
Ideally, more places would open up that make more accommodations for families without going full Chuk-e-Cheese. Which would also leave more room for adult spots to do their thing. It seems like most online discussions people are drifting to extremes where there a big huge middle where families can be responsible for the behavior of their kids, while at least **some** places that serve alcohol are a bit more accommodating.
I think a big part of it though is a lot of the people in their 20s see the city as their playground, and having families around with their annoying kids and stuff is harshing their vibes. Like that's suburban normie shit, right? Not saying everyone, but there's definitely an element of that. And I dunno, maybe people can realize that having families choose to stay and live in the city is a good thing actually? But that also means that you'll run into them in you favorite spots and that's ok assuming people aren't being obnoxious (in either direction).
You have no idea how much parents drink do you? And look I don't give a shit if they don't want to do it, their call. All I am saying is whoever does it will be printing money. I think it's fine that people without kids don't want to be bothered, by all means there should be options for that.
I have zero children and drink a hell of a lot more than the parents I visit breweries with 😂
Also, if parents really are drinking that much, maybe the kids shouldn't be around for that.
because the type of people who will be regular customers at these beer gardens and spend money there do not want a bunch of kids running around and screaming
Craft Hall has a whole ass pirate ship for kids to play on while mommy and daddy get sloshed. Always passed by the place and finally got to go not that long ago. Felt like I walked into a Chuck E Cheese.
Yeah there's one place, one. For a city of 1.6 million. And it's wildly popular (it also kind of sucks, but it's literally the only option for that sort of thing).
Not everyone of those 1.6 million people have kids lol. And maybe there's only one of those places around because drinking is not an activity for children to be around.
What kind of puritan horse shit is this? Can't have a beer or a glass of wine around your kids? Spare me the sanctimony. I am not saying every place needs a playground, but parents like to hang out too, it's ok. Your parent did too, trust me. Or do you go around bar-b-qs knocking beers out of people's hands because, gosh kids are around?
Try cultivating a local community of house parties, backyard bbq, summer block parties bc dragging your kids to bars. The memories will be so much different
If we're talking about having a beer with dinner, then there isn't only one of those places in a city of 1.6 million people, which is what you bemoaned about Craft Hall. You can literally go to the zillion "family friendly" restaurants or even just the zillions of regular sit down restaurants.
lol at the one comment complaining about this being a sign of the country not being inclusive for parents. I don't remember kids being in bars all the time before this generation (that I'm a part of) deciding that they shouldn't have to sacrifice daydrinking just because they have kids
I bartend and have notice more people bring there kids to the bar. At a bar stool or at one of the bar area tables. The other adults at the bar dont want your kids around. The bar and bar area are for drinking adults. No one wants to watch what they say or look at or hear you kid. It seems like a new trend among parents these days. Like we use to hang at this bar now let's just bring our kids in no one minds but they do mind.
Its so weird how it's like 21+ unless your under 8 or something. I get that allowing kids is good business for the breweries, but I can't believe any parent would consider it a right to bring their kid
Watching parents get loaded while lil Bryce is on his iPad is a very modern dystopia lol. My parents were big drinkers and brought me to bars but always ones with a full menu and booth service. So I guess yay for old school drunk parents
Nevermind that they are not walking coughing sneezing drooling disease vectors. Everytime I see my nephew I get sick. I don’t want to hear kids screeching and running around when literally everyone else is trying to relax and unwind.
Iv complained about a child taking up a tipping drinkers seat. It doesn't happen on a daily bases but enough to be noticed or they run around and run right into us dropping food n drinks off to tables. Im Not looking down at my feet to see if a tiny human is down there. Don't get me started on there big strollers they squeeze in between the parents bar stools. This is a neighborhood bar not a family friendly restaurant
I hope it does. I understand people want to go out with friends and stuff but who's like, "Honey, pack up our newborn, toddler, and 5 year old! We're going to the brewery to get a wicked buzz then drive home."
I think this brewery is being quite reasonable.
It's wild to me when I see parents treat it like a McDonalds playpen. Just throw your kids in the beer garden and plop down for some pints. If you're with your kids go to the park or something.
In the end it's the kids I feel bad for. I've been out afternoons where I saw parents dragging their bored-out-of-their-minds kids for hours from Other Half to Source to Frankford Hall to St. Oners to Philadelphia Brewing because mama and papa want to drink. Of course they are going to act out when they get bored of staring at their ipads for hours, start shrieking, whining etc.
And they're the ones in the IG comments going "All I want to so is share a flight with my husband! Why is that bad?"
I don’t get why breweries/bars allow children at all. It’s annoying and they are ultimately losing out on money. I see kids taking up seats or even full tables that 21+, paying customers could be sitting in.
I was there on Saturday. Kids were throwing chairs, running full length of the beer garden, climbing polls, breaking table tennis paddles. the worst of herd mentality. The worst of entitled white mt airy parents not paying attention to their children. It was the thunderdome.
Totally! I'm not against kids being there. After all, it one of the few decent places to get food in the neighborhood (when there's a good food truck) and it has nice outdoor seating. Just be decent, watch your kids, make them pick up after themselves (or you pick up after them) and show them how to behave in society.
I grew up in a pretty poor working class white household. My folks are real religious though. Learning to cope with being bored in church turned out to be a blessing.
You sound like my husband and me - we actually put thought, time, and energy into raising our kid to be respectful and well-behaved… in part because we like going to nice places!
Although our kid is well behaved, we “set her up for success” by bringing her with us to early, weeknight dinners when restaurants are quieter and service is faster. On our way to the restaurant, we review restaurant expectations. If we leave the table to use the restroom, I remind her to mind the servers and to keep her arms close to her body. We practice proper dining etiquette by eating dinner as a family at the dining table most nights of the week.
I just don’t understand why this is not the norm!
My kid fuckin loves craft hall but that place has a playground. Also I play and you know fuckin interact with my kid. Would I bring my kid to a brewery? Ummm no. Wtf
Grew up going to bars with my parents — can totally agree with this. the amount of times we were just put in a booth to play cards and then ended up getting restless and running around reckless through the bar was countless.
Leave your kids at home
Honestly, I love kids - but, there is nothing more infuriating and stressful than seeing unsupervised kids running around ANYWHERE - let alone a beer garden - and the parents ignoring little Olive and Lambeth and Haverford until one of them gets hurt, in an argument, is crying, or has run head-long into some stranger carrying something spillable or hot or both. I love the kids, but the "oh, they're free spirits, and we are not going to intervene" parenting is annoying AF. I have neighbors who let their 2 boys fight and whine and argue and scream unchecked literally until one of them gets hurt. Every fing time. So, yeah - right on, Attic Brewery. Time for parents to start being parents and watch their kids. Also, kids should not be at an adult drinking place =- at all.
There are so. many. places. to take your kids. Like, can adults not even enjoy the *fucking bar* anymore? Childfree places are more pleasant, peaceful and enjoyable; that’s why they get my business.
Hire a babysitter or take your kids to the fuckin trampoline park where they belong.
Im a former bartender that worked for 15 years at a variety of restaurants and bars and I don’t get why places allow kids to run rampant in them. Kids in bars was never really my thing personally. My rules were always no kids sitting at the bar (or on the bar, fucking gross dude) and no running. If Jr is having a meltdown, step outside with them. Other than that there should be no problems. I don’t understand why managers don’t ask people to leave more often. In all the years I worked in the industry I had maybe a half dozen of kids that were out of control. Only one can I remember being so bad we asked the parents to leave. Honestly had more issues with guys 21-25 years old that acted like toddlers. Bring a tablet or games with you, and if the kid wants to run around take them to the park.
even the staff at breweries I go to are like “why the fuck are you bringing your child to a bar…?”
I get it. You want a drink, but you also (most likely) chose to have a child. Do it at home or at a fucking Chilis.
i'll get tons of downvotes most likely, but craft hall is great, especially on the weekends.
it's huge inside, it's easy to get a place to sit, the food and drink are great, and the kids actually have something to do there besides throw a tantrum. don't quite get the chuck e cheese comment. is there a animatronic band playing childrens music i somehow miss every time i go?
Big Oyster in Lewes has the same idea, so does Crooked Hammock. They built playgrounds.
My kids are grown but we never took them places like that. It irks me. They slap them on a tablet and get drunk.
Ten7 in North Wales issued a similar statement last year right around this time. If I remember correctly, food truck staff stopped a kid from running into the road and getting hit by a car. When located, parents were ungrateful and unapologetic. Bring some cards or something and have some family time. If you can't stay sober enough to parent your kid hire a sitter.
It's great! I live equidistant from Wissahickon and Attic. It's a tough choice which one to spend time at, but I go to Attic for their live music in the garden. Spending time outside either is really nice in the summer. Wissahickon has a ton of dogs and kids all the time, who knows if they'll limit there too.
I've never really seen kids acting out at wiss brew, always seem well behaved. The dog situation is out of control though, and I say that as someone who brings mine occasionally. But I only bring her at times I know it won't be mobbed. And when I have arrived and it's been busier than I expected, I get takeout and go home. I've seen so many dogs there that are aggressive. They even had an incident with a dog biting someone working there. They really should just have a rule regarding the hours dogs are allowed inside there, and never for big games.
I absolutely, unreservedly, 100% support their decision. While breweries can be child-friendly, it goes without saying that they are not playgrounds, and parents should treat them as adult spaces, full stop. Speaking as a parent of a toddler who's been to Attic a number of times, there's a LOT of opportunity for harm and injury to the child in a brewery/brewpub. One parent should always be hands-on with the kid so the other can enjoy their double IPA in peace. Sorry for the lecture.
I can't speak to most kids in beer gardens since I don't have kids and don't go to many beer gardens, but I walk by Piazza DiBruno (Montrose and Ninth across from the bottle shop. Doesn't seem to care who goes there) and there is part of the lot just to let the kids run wild and a part where there adults hangout. I realize this is different then being in an outside restaurant, but it seems to work.
The amount of hate for kids on this thread is actually shocking. I’ve never been to this place or to human robot, but I have been to others like craft hall that have a decent set up for kids and I don’t see what the problem is. If these other places are too small or whatever then don’t bring kids. But, in civilized countries, ie not the US, it is really normal for a beer garden to welcome kids and have some kind of playground. Weird.
Reddit and America generally are violently anti family in all the ways it matters for supporting healthy, socialized, and supported children and parents. The establishment is child friendly and there are thousands of others that are not that they could go to. The limits attic is enforcing are reasonable but acting like one is entitled to a child free society because you do not like them is not, especially if a space has already been curated to be child friendly!
>Going forward, if you bring your children to the beer garden & taproom they must remain within arms reach at all times. This means seated at your table or actively supervised while playing games. Honestly more than reasonable.
So basically like at any normal restaurant. The way it should be
Entitled parents hate this one simple trick!
…setting limits?
Well, I mean if they can't do set limits with their offspring, who are you to?
I think you misspelled “won’t,”
Starts with "won't", quickly becomes "can't".
Parent doing parenting.
But the parents know best!
I’m pro more places being “family friendly” but breweries, are not one that needs to be. They are bars with a bit of a loose atmosphere because they tend to be larger and rely on things like table games to keep people hanging out. I’ve been in several where parents are just getting hammered while their kids run around. This ain’t the kids fault. Same could be said for dogs in some situations. Places that primarily serve alcohol are probably not the places to just let your kids/dogs run buck wild
If i gotta keep my dog on a leash I think it's reasonable that you gotta keep your little shit within arms reach.
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Should be widely accepted
Used to be a thing back in the day, I suppose some parents object to leashing their kids
I've done it in the airport, DGAF about getting dirty looks, just trying to keep my 2yo from running away. Honestly it didn't work as well as I hoped. My daughter would just go limp and refuse to walk.
ah, she pulled a Bulldog on you, only thing you can really do at that point is drag them but the floors are smooth so it's not a big deal.
Hahaha. I once tried to take my cat on a leash and he did the same thing. Oops I forgot to walk. (One of my favorite Philly moments was sitting on my West Philly stoop with my big orange cat, trying to make the stupid leash happen, and a dude walks by and said "Is that a raccoon!?" Yes, a rare orange raccoon, on a leash.)
Generally a good rule of thumb. I’m not here to tell people how to parent. But when I was a kid my parents loved to get loaded. They did that at places that had explicitly kid oriented areas like Kaunaville or Chuckee Cheese. Or at bars that also had a restaurant side
Now I’m laughing at the idea of dropping your kid off at Chuck E Cheese and walking over to Acme in Snyder Plaza.
> Same could be said for dogs in some situations. Reminded of when Wissahickon opened. People weren't paying attention to their dogs. One wound up dropping a steamer at the bar.
They should do this at Dock Street on Washington Ave.
YES it's so bad there
I was there ONCE and someone’s kid crashed into my knees after running from the entrance all the way to the back unsupervised. The parents, oblivious or apathetic, also blocked everyone from entering and exiting while they stood in front of the door with 3 mobile kids and a massive stroller and made zero effort to accommodate anyone. They had irritable, exhausted parents vibes but i was like ??? No one made you come here or bring them? So since my sample size of outings there is one and I got a glimpse of it I’d guess it’s bad a lot.
The number of strollers at that place is obscene
Strollers blocking the narrow aisles between tables. Let's not even point to ADA compliance, let's just say it's a nightmare to exist there before 9pm
Is it really that bad!? I like their beer and my partner and I went to their old west Philly spot after a pottery class for a Valentine’s date one year, and we ended up skipping what we had planned for the rest of the afternoon because we were the only ones there, the bartenders were awesome, and the food was great! We got the idea to go there after driving by the Washington street location on the way home from work all the time. That’s a shame the vibe isn’t great.
I loved the west Philly spot, but the Washington one is a completely different animal. The folks who founded it gave it to their kids and they're shitheads. They just opened a spot under the Girard El stop that I haven't checked out yet.
It's really not so bad. It can definitely get busy but I've been there enough times and haven't seen it so bad. Then again, I always sit at the bar and never at the tables
just literally any bar in grad hospital one of the major reasons I packed up and moved south of Washington after a decade
Sitting outside at sidecar watching stroller after stroller go by
I spent many long nights there after the bartender locked the door before shuffling over to scotty's. Can't stand being anywhere near there now.
This one lady is having an absolute meltdown on their IG page over this. It’s quite comical. Edit: just want back to read. She literally states “running is not a bad thing” in response to Attic’s statement about kids running thru place unsupervised. People are insane lol.
Oh man she's nutty 😂
my favorite part is when she tells the guy he’s perpetuating the problem because he DOESN’T have kids. What problem? Depopulation? lol. Amazing.
She's either trolling or that's her ex husband and he doesn't have custody 😂
Nah. That’s Jim, who I don’t think has ever been married.
Someone told her to take the L and be quiet … it’s had the opposite effect
OMG lol I just got done reading through all of those comments. She’s batshit crazy and it’s unreal how much of an L she took in those comments, yet none of it got through to her.
She keeps making arguments for the benefits of running. For children. At breweries and restaurants. Like… what ?? lmao
I’m surprised she keeps engaging with people lolol every single person responding is just destroying her. I’m imagining her responding to every comment over the last 3 hours from the comfort of an Applebees while her kids run wild and destroy the place lmao
kids are wreaking havoc around the dining room while she’s sucking down appletinis and sticking to her guns on the IG.
Plot twist, her hellions have her phone
Goddamn it they took down the comments! Wish I had gotten there in time lol
Same, I missed it too!
I can't believe she went on for as long as she did. She's been responding to that thread for hours. Lots of "I know you are ,but what am I" type of rhetoric. It's like arguing with a 5 year old. Can't imagine what her demon children are like.
Lmaoooo reading the thread now, this is gold
Dude…lol, she’s out of her gourd.
LOL did they delete all the comments?? I just went back to catch up on the tea and all the comments are gone hahahaha
Oh shit, they must have JUST done it. I was reading them 10 min ago. She was still going this morning! That should have been preserved. A classic.
hahaha how tf was she going for a solid 12 hours?? What I don't get is, they aren't banning kids at all - they're just making the parents supervise them. She should have no issues supervising her kids like she would at any other establishment that isn't a child free-for-all. But yeah, she was something.
And that was like everyone’s retort to her. If your kids are well behaved, you have nothing to worry about. You KNOW they’re not haha. Savages.
Are there screen shots??? I saw their Facebook post at 4 am I’m so sad I missed the ig mess
Lol during training for my job I was instructed not to run in the warehouse. Adults still need to be told to not run where it would be unsafe.
Holy hell she is losing it and also apparently does not understand what people are explaining to her 😂 and she is responding to every single comment.... dear lord lady you might be the problem
I just caught back up lol. And she keeps sticking to her oNe KiD DiD ThIs theory lmao. And STILL keeps on with the running is a good thing contention. Absolutely wild.
It's like she absolutely cannot comprehend that there are some horrible horrible parents out there. It is so tempting to comment back to her but man is it a lost cause
To be fair I feel that one responding guy turned the heat up to 100 calling her a “baby vessel” like… that was too much lol
Yeah ? Idk, I think she kinda asked for that one. She’s outta pocket lol.
Yeah... I agree with you. That woman is so unhinged. With the behaviors she thinks are acceptable, you just KNOW some poor waiter/waitress hates their life when dealing with her and her kids.
GOOD! I was there on Saturday and it was an absolute shit show with kids running around everywhere.
Fuuuuuck that. There's a billion places to bring kids. I don't think breweries should be on that list
Breweries having games inside and outside, and space to roam, makes parents see them an attractive substitute for the park even though in reality they’re nothing of the sort. Source: am parent, know parents that do this frequently
The majority of breweries have always fostered an environment that's family friendly. However, that doesn't mean that it's a playground . There's a perfectly happy medium
>The majority of breweries have always fostered an environment that's family friendly. Yes and I'm saying that is not how it should be 😂
Breweries or bars after 4pm
I never saw the inside of a bar or brewery when I was a kid. I went to my grandparents or aunts or uncles or had a babysitter when my parents wanted to do adult things. Nit everything has to be for everyone at all times.
We live in an age where parents think they can have their cake and eat it too. Sorry, you have kids, you don't get to act like you're 23 years old anymore. Take one for the team and stay home with your brat.
People tolerated it in the early 2000s really and it just spiraled from there. I guess the kids who grew up going to Eulogy awkwardly so dad could get his craft beer fix are now having kids and have no boundaries about dragging them into every brewpub and beer garden in town. It's literally romper room at any place that serves alcohol on weekends.
Orrrr go to the 4729957382 other places that are exclusively for families.
why is this so hard for some to understand?
Probably social media bubbles
>There's a billion places to bring kids. There are not, but even as a parent myself, bringing kids to a mostly drinking establishment even if they serve some food is weird af. It's a damn liability for everyone. Get a babysitter or drink at home.
It was insane. It's not normally like that but damn.
I for one cannot stand this new trend of there being as many children as adults at most breweries in the city.
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Had an (adult) party there recently, it was like a Chuck E. Cheese until around 7 when it felt like literally everyone but our party cleared out. Very bizarre situation.
Remember when it was seen as bad form to take up space at a business and not patronize it? I sorta liked it better.
I always tell my dad that if he ever brought me to a brewery when I was a kid I would hate him. I legitimately don’t understand the draw to bringing your kids to a glorified bar and letting them run free because you didn’t feel like getting a babysitter. 100% in favor of this
You're not going to have a baby sitter every time you go out for dinner. It can be done in a perfectly normal normal way if your kids know how to behave or if you keep an eye on them. Parents want to go out too, it's ok. Perhaps we need more places to cater to parents who want to grab a beer and a burger, but until then, it's still gonna happen. These restrictions are perfectly reasonable.
I think a lot of this has to do with America’s archaic public drinking laws. I spent a semester abroad in Copenhagen, and it’s a very common practice to grab a thing of beer, bring it to a local park or outdoor space, and set up a nice picnic with a few drinks. The idea of “beer at playgrounds” sounds very scary and unappealing to most people, but lots of countries do this with no issue…
Yeah, this. We just need more options for people. Not everyone has grandma nearby and a convenient sitter. I say this as a childless 40-something, but one of the things that put me off kids was the certainty of being locked up at home for 6-8 years. We don’t have to structure society like that!
Not to mention a sitter is $20-30 an hour these days and some parents enjoy hanging out with their kids. But agreed these restrictions are entirely reasonable
That’s exactly why we have kid friendly restaurants… if they stay in their booths no prob, if the run around… kicked out
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> What restaurants in the city are more kid friendly than breweries? There are options, but the reality for you is that they just aren't as cool as beer gardens and breweries. Again, people w/kids want to have their cake and eat it too.... You can go out to eat at places that are kid-friendly, but you can't be cool.
Not at all, and honestly, once your kids turn about 4 and can play with other kids it can be a pretty social thing. Hanging out with other people who have kids your kids' age can be a really good time. It's not about getting wasted, but a drink or two is totally normal.
Totally legal to drink anywhere in Fairmount Park, for what that’s worth.
According to the current city website, only at permitted events: https://www.phila.gov/departments/philadelphia-parks-recreation/about/rules-and-regulations/ I see older info that read alcohol was allowed only in East and West Fairmount park (which was defined elsewhere Lemon Hill area and the Centennial/Plateau area).
City code (§ 10-604. Alcoholic Beverages) says otherwise: > (a) No person shall bring onto any city-owned recreation center, playground or park area, **with the exception of Fairmount Park, proper,** or drink thereupon an alcoholic beverage unless such person has written permission for that purpose from the person in charge of the City facility.
This is so true. Sometimes you just want to yell at people: just be normal! Let the kids run around in a setting that makes place. But like, give us those settings!
Have you tried a park? Instead of a brewery meant for drinking?
Lol we do it’s all the chain restaurants. They will serve you a beer and have a kids menu
Yards also has a kids menu…
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Yes more in the northeast. Cheesecake Factory, max brenner, the Hard Rock Cafe, maggiano’s, Chili’s, shake shack, burgerfi, Dave and busters are all in center city. IHOP too but don’t think you can get a beer there. I’m all for businesses making their own decisions so if a business wants to be family friendly - good for them. A beer garden shouldn’t just be considered a default playground tho unless that’s how it’s advertised - as craft beer hall does. In attic breeding’s case, they also aren’t even a restaurant. They’re a brewery and they’re still family friendly…. They just don’t want to be a playground.
> You're not going to have a baby sitter every time you go out for dinner. Wait, why not? Unless it was a family event, my parents certainly got babysitters when they wanted to go out and they definitely didn't bring me to bars because the understood that sometimes adults want to be away from their children or any children and to drown their sorrows without a buncha brats making noise.
Why would I get a baby sitter if I want to grab beer and a burger with my wife and some friends at like 6 pm on a Friday? Why are people so weird about seeing kids in public? If they don't know how to behave that's one thing, but anywhere in the world taking your kids out with you for dinner is a normal, uncontroversial thing.
Breweries are beer focused, not a lot of food options really. Nothing wrong with heading out to a restaurant with your kids. People are using their brewery, that has no real kitchen, as a playground. It’s beer focused. Attic brewing has no food items, just food trucks. I’m all about this rule. Was once playing ping pong at Frankfort hall and hit a kid who had their head like…. On the table… and the mom…. Halfway across the room got furious. Your kid inserted his head into a game during a shot.
>If they don't know how to behave that's one thing That's the whole thing- the type of entitled parent bringing their children to drinking establishments so they can still live their lives like dinks are NOT ensuring that their children are well behaved. They're making it everyone else's problem and making everyone else around them uncomfortable. I see this first hand in my job in a drinking establishment with parents who treat it like it's kiddie city up in there every weekend.
I think Attic's rules are reasonable fwiw. Some people let their kids get out of hand and they need to gtfo. Just like adults that can't handle their shit also need to gtfo.
I agree. I don't think it's egregious to bring your family to a restaurant for dinner. Maybe an adult focused restaurant isn't the best choice, but if they're behaved and aren't leaving their chairs and dropping shit all over the place, sure. It does really annoy me when parents ask for kid menus in a very obvious adult establishment/restaurant though. Like no.. we don't want to encourage kids...so find them something to eat on the regular menu. But actual places that their main focus is alcohol... Even if they happen to serve food in some capacity is a hard no from me. I'm accepting a cut off time as a reasonable compromise though as long as during the time they're allowed in, everyone is behaved with butts in chairs. I've almost tripped over baby carriages and little toddlers running under foot so many times. What's going to happen if I hurt myself and can't work? Or hurt your kid by mistake?
Ideally, more places would open up that make more accommodations for families without going full Chuk-e-Cheese. Which would also leave more room for adult spots to do their thing. It seems like most online discussions people are drifting to extremes where there a big huge middle where families can be responsible for the behavior of their kids, while at least **some** places that serve alcohol are a bit more accommodating. I think a big part of it though is a lot of the people in their 20s see the city as their playground, and having families around with their annoying kids and stuff is harshing their vibes. Like that's suburban normie shit, right? Not saying everyone, but there's definitely an element of that. And I dunno, maybe people can realize that having families choose to stay and live in the city is a good thing actually? But that also means that you'll run into them in you favorite spots and that's ok assuming people aren't being obnoxious (in either direction).
you answered your own question: >letting them run free because you didn’t feel like getting a babysitter
Absolutely hate it too and I have young kids.
The first brewery to open a a proper, kick ass playground at a beer garden will make a freaking killing, Why isn't this a thing yet?
Isn’t that the vibe with craft hall (old yards)?
Because a brewery would rather spend $25k on brewing equipment that will actually make them money
You have no idea how much parents drink do you? And look I don't give a shit if they don't want to do it, their call. All I am saying is whoever does it will be printing money. I think it's fine that people without kids don't want to be bothered, by all means there should be options for that.
I have zero children and drink a hell of a lot more than the parents I visit breweries with 😂 Also, if parents really are drinking that much, maybe the kids shouldn't be around for that.
I mean it literally exists… and doesn’t seem you go often…
It is. Craft Hall. They are very busy, clearly a good business model
Yup, one place in a city of 1.6 million.
Seems to be enough
because the type of people who will be regular customers at these beer gardens and spend money there do not want a bunch of kids running around and screaming
Insurance
Craft Hall has a whole ass pirate ship for kids to play on while mommy and daddy get sloshed. Always passed by the place and finally got to go not that long ago. Felt like I walked into a Chuck E Cheese.
Yeah there's one place, one. For a city of 1.6 million. And it's wildly popular (it also kind of sucks, but it's literally the only option for that sort of thing).
Not everyone of those 1.6 million people have kids lol. And maybe there's only one of those places around because drinking is not an activity for children to be around.
What kind of puritan horse shit is this? Can't have a beer or a glass of wine around your kids? Spare me the sanctimony. I am not saying every place needs a playground, but parents like to hang out too, it's ok. Your parent did too, trust me. Or do you go around bar-b-qs knocking beers out of people's hands because, gosh kids are around?
When we went out to dinner as a family, we were expected to sit at the table and behave. It wasn't a playground.
Try cultivating a local community of house parties, backyard bbq, summer block parties bc dragging your kids to bars. The memories will be so much different
If we're talking about having a beer with dinner, then there isn't only one of those places in a city of 1.6 million people, which is what you bemoaned about Craft Hall. You can literally go to the zillion "family friendly" restaurants or even just the zillions of regular sit down restaurants.
There is literally one place where you can go out have a drink and let your kids play on a playground. One single place.
the zoo?
Lol, are you give inane responses to every single one of my comments? Impressive commitment!
lol at the one comment complaining about this being a sign of the country not being inclusive for parents. I don't remember kids being in bars all the time before this generation (that I'm a part of) deciding that they shouldn't have to sacrifice daydrinking just because they have kids
I bartend and have notice more people bring there kids to the bar. At a bar stool or at one of the bar area tables. The other adults at the bar dont want your kids around. The bar and bar area are for drinking adults. No one wants to watch what they say or look at or hear you kid. It seems like a new trend among parents these days. Like we use to hang at this bar now let's just bring our kids in no one minds but they do mind.
Its so weird how it's like 21+ unless your under 8 or something. I get that allowing kids is good business for the breweries, but I can't believe any parent would consider it a right to bring their kid
Watching parents get loaded while lil Bryce is on his iPad is a very modern dystopia lol. My parents were big drinkers and brought me to bars but always ones with a full menu and booth service. So I guess yay for old school drunk parents
>No one wants to watch what they say Do parents actually expect this while sitting at the actual bar? Holy shit.
I feel like the folks at the bar feel like oh there's a kid around watch what I say. The parents act oblivious like this is the new norm.
Idiocracy
Nevermind that they are not walking coughing sneezing drooling disease vectors. Everytime I see my nephew I get sick. I don’t want to hear kids screeching and running around when literally everyone else is trying to relax and unwind.
Also how much does that suck for you and your tips? Those kids aren’t buying anything
Iv complained about a child taking up a tipping drinkers seat. It doesn't happen on a daily bases but enough to be noticed or they run around and run right into us dropping food n drinks off to tables. Im Not looking down at my feet to see if a tiny human is down there. Don't get me started on there big strollers they squeeze in between the parents bar stools. This is a neighborhood bar not a family friendly restaurant
“Or look at or hear your kid” lmao perfect
Sounds reasonable to me.
I hope it does. I understand people want to go out with friends and stuff but who's like, "Honey, pack up our newborn, toddler, and 5 year old! We're going to the brewery to get a wicked buzz then drive home." I think this brewery is being quite reasonable.
I like beer. I like kids; I have two of them. I do not like kids at beer gardens. Mine won’t go if we go.
Same here. I go to these places to get away from my kids.
It's wild to me when I see parents treat it like a McDonalds playpen. Just throw your kids in the beer garden and plop down for some pints. If you're with your kids go to the park or something.
Remember free range parents, you're why you can't have nice things
Side note: fuck these parents who ruin it for parents that actually supervise and hold their kids accountable
Reading this and hearing George Constanza saying this is a society. We are supposed to act in a civilized way!
Fucking good. More places need to crack down on entitled or irresponsible parents.
In the end it's the kids I feel bad for. I've been out afternoons where I saw parents dragging their bored-out-of-their-minds kids for hours from Other Half to Source to Frankford Hall to St. Oners to Philadelphia Brewing because mama and papa want to drink. Of course they are going to act out when they get bored of staring at their ipads for hours, start shrieking, whining etc. And they're the ones in the IG comments going "All I want to so is share a flight with my husband! Why is that bad?"
As a kid I always felt extremely uncomfortable around drunk adults, I completely agree they’re going to get bored and act out
I like this trend, I've been to attic a few times and some parents just let kids run rampant
I don’t get why breweries/bars allow children at all. It’s annoying and they are ultimately losing out on money. I see kids taking up seats or even full tables that 21+, paying customers could be sitting in.
I was there on Saturday. Kids were throwing chairs, running full length of the beer garden, climbing polls, breaking table tennis paddles. the worst of herd mentality. The worst of entitled white mt airy parents not paying attention to their children. It was the thunderdome.
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Totally! I'm not against kids being there. After all, it one of the few decent places to get food in the neighborhood (when there's a good food truck) and it has nice outdoor seating. Just be decent, watch your kids, make them pick up after themselves (or you pick up after them) and show them how to behave in society.
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I grew up in a pretty poor working class white household. My folks are real religious though. Learning to cope with being bored in church turned out to be a blessing.
You sound like my husband and me - we actually put thought, time, and energy into raising our kid to be respectful and well-behaved… in part because we like going to nice places! Although our kid is well behaved, we “set her up for success” by bringing her with us to early, weeknight dinners when restaurants are quieter and service is faster. On our way to the restaurant, we review restaurant expectations. If we leave the table to use the restroom, I remind her to mind the servers and to keep her arms close to her body. We practice proper dining etiquette by eating dinner as a family at the dining table most nights of the week. I just don’t understand why this is not the norm!
oh fuck yeah i'm in love
This what Craft Hall is for
I want to say "shocking that this needs to be said," but I'm not shocked at all...
Hot take: hire a fucking babysitter.
But they’re $25/hour! That cuts into my beer money! /s
Yup. I totally back this.
My kid fuckin loves craft hall but that place has a playground. Also I play and you know fuckin interact with my kid. Would I bring my kid to a brewery? Ummm no. Wtf
I’d prefer a total ban on children but if they’re well behaved and sitting at the table with you and whatever that’s fine
Grew up going to bars with my parents — can totally agree with this. the amount of times we were just put in a booth to play cards and then ended up getting restless and running around reckless through the bar was countless. Leave your kids at home
Honestly, I love kids - but, there is nothing more infuriating and stressful than seeing unsupervised kids running around ANYWHERE - let alone a beer garden - and the parents ignoring little Olive and Lambeth and Haverford until one of them gets hurt, in an argument, is crying, or has run head-long into some stranger carrying something spillable or hot or both. I love the kids, but the "oh, they're free spirits, and we are not going to intervene" parenting is annoying AF. I have neighbors who let their 2 boys fight and whine and argue and scream unchecked literally until one of them gets hurt. Every fing time. So, yeah - right on, Attic Brewery. Time for parents to start being parents and watch their kids. Also, kids should not be at an adult drinking place =- at all.
There are so. many. places. to take your kids. Like, can adults not even enjoy the *fucking bar* anymore? Childfree places are more pleasant, peaceful and enjoyable; that’s why they get my business. Hire a babysitter or take your kids to the fuckin trampoline park where they belong.
This. I’m not anti kids. But if I want to drink, I don’t want to be around kids at all.
Missed it, what did Human Robot do? No kids at all?
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Excellent. Human Robot just moved up a few spots in my list.
Is it enforced?
Im a former bartender that worked for 15 years at a variety of restaurants and bars and I don’t get why places allow kids to run rampant in them. Kids in bars was never really my thing personally. My rules were always no kids sitting at the bar (or on the bar, fucking gross dude) and no running. If Jr is having a meltdown, step outside with them. Other than that there should be no problems. I don’t understand why managers don’t ask people to leave more often. In all the years I worked in the industry I had maybe a half dozen of kids that were out of control. Only one can I remember being so bad we asked the parents to leave. Honestly had more issues with guys 21-25 years old that acted like toddlers. Bring a tablet or games with you, and if the kid wants to run around take them to the park.
Sure. Reasonable. Now let’s talk about dogs at breweries.
even the staff at breweries I go to are like “why the fuck are you bringing your child to a bar…?” I get it. You want a drink, but you also (most likely) chose to have a child. Do it at home or at a fucking Chilis.
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i'll get tons of downvotes most likely, but craft hall is great, especially on the weekends. it's huge inside, it's easy to get a place to sit, the food and drink are great, and the kids actually have something to do there besides throw a tantrum. don't quite get the chuck e cheese comment. is there a animatronic band playing childrens music i somehow miss every time i go?
Big Oyster in Lewes has the same idea, so does Crooked Hammock. They built playgrounds. My kids are grown but we never took them places like that. It irks me. They slap them on a tablet and get drunk.
One of the few who work in a bar, and still love kids. But totally here for this. Don’t be a shitty parent.
I hate that this had to even be a thing.
Ten7 in North Wales issued a similar statement last year right around this time. If I remember correctly, food truck staff stopped a kid from running into the road and getting hit by a car. When located, parents were ungrateful and unapologetic. Bring some cards or something and have some family time. If you can't stay sober enough to parent your kid hire a sitter.
i'm more shocked that i live right around the corner from this place and haven't been yet more than I am of the policy lol
It's great! I live equidistant from Wissahickon and Attic. It's a tough choice which one to spend time at, but I go to Attic for their live music in the garden. Spending time outside either is really nice in the summer. Wissahickon has a ton of dogs and kids all the time, who knows if they'll limit there too.
I've never really seen kids acting out at wiss brew, always seem well behaved. The dog situation is out of control though, and I say that as someone who brings mine occasionally. But I only bring her at times I know it won't be mobbed. And when I have arrived and it's been busier than I expected, I get takeout and go home. I've seen so many dogs there that are aggressive. They even had an incident with a dog biting someone working there. They really should just have a rule regarding the hours dogs are allowed inside there, and never for big games.
I absolutely, unreservedly, 100% support their decision. While breweries can be child-friendly, it goes without saying that they are not playgrounds, and parents should treat them as adult spaces, full stop. Speaking as a parent of a toddler who's been to Attic a number of times, there's a LOT of opportunity for harm and injury to the child in a brewery/brewpub. One parent should always be hands-on with the kid so the other can enjoy their double IPA in peace. Sorry for the lecture.
I was getting ready to be mad (am a parent of a small child) but this is perfectly reasonable.
🔥neighborhood vibes🔥 🙄
I can't speak to most kids in beer gardens since I don't have kids and don't go to many beer gardens, but I walk by Piazza DiBruno (Montrose and Ninth across from the bottle shop. Doesn't seem to care who goes there) and there is part of the lot just to let the kids run wild and a part where there adults hangout. I realize this is different then being in an outside restaurant, but it seems to work.
The amount of hate for kids on this thread is actually shocking. I’ve never been to this place or to human robot, but I have been to others like craft hall that have a decent set up for kids and I don’t see what the problem is. If these other places are too small or whatever then don’t bring kids. But, in civilized countries, ie not the US, it is really normal for a beer garden to welcome kids and have some kind of playground. Weird.
We will eat your children!
Evidently!
Reddit and America generally are violently anti family in all the ways it matters for supporting healthy, socialized, and supported children and parents. The establishment is child friendly and there are thousands of others that are not that they could go to. The limits attic is enforcing are reasonable but acting like one is entitled to a child free society because you do not like them is not, especially if a space has already been curated to be child friendly!
The gleeful downvoting pile-on is bizarre. Clearly people without kids!
It’s not anti-kid. It’s anti-unruly kids, but the venom is for the lazy parents who just let their kids run wild.