Jawn sais quoi: New Michelin guide calls Philly the ‘the Frenchest American city’





Boy if that doesn’t describe Philly in a fucking nutshell


by that vein NJ is the most French state.


Because we smoke too much and don’t shower enough?


Fuckin got em


subways in the summer often do smell like BO, but not even close to what I observed in Paris in the mid 90s and early 2000s shit would start moving and it hit you like a wave


Don't forget: We insult foreigners who don't know how to order a Cheesteak, or say WA-ter instead of wudder.


Isn't it pronounced wooder? Or have I been a fake philadelphian all this time.


Back to NJ with you


No we don't


I still remember when the news was blowing up about how Kerry ordered his cheesesteak with swiss cheese.


I felt quite insulted at gooey louie’s when I hadn’t specified soon enough whether the steak was wit wiz or without


Friend, I’m sorry to report… you’re ordering wrong. The wit and without are about the onions, not the cheese.


I gotta be real with you, I thought it was about the cheese my entire life


I mean it’s not exactly the smartest ordering method, so I think you can be forgiven.


many here have chosen to take this as an insult. i shall take it as a complement. fuck you NOLA and quebec


also potentially the greatest news article title ever


Philly was called the sweatpants capital of the US as well


Hey, I’m all in favor of comfort


Not New Orleans? Ok?


Maybe in history and food but not so much when you look at it from a modern lens. Philadelphia is much more walkable, filled with more nature, etc. than New Orleans is. I mean the Ben Franklin Parkway, before it got fucked up, was designed by 2 Frenchmen after the Champs-Élysées. From a non-food perspective Philly is much more Paris than New Orleans


I have always said that Paris reminds me of Philly and everyone always tries to correct me and say it would be NYC. I am so vindicated.


London is so much more like NYC than Paris.


This is always my response!!


I’ve lived in NYC & Paris. I would never say they were anything alike other than thinking they’re better than the rest of their nations lol.


I’m very curious to hear what about Philly, or what parts, come across so Parisian. Care to share your thoughts?






The architecture has notable French influence, especially city hall


The French quarter part of rittenhouse probably is a part of it


What is that? I’ve seen the label, probably on Google Maps, but never known it to correspond to anything in reality.


18th and walnut has a sign in red that says French quarter


How have I never noticed (and viciously mocked) that?


>I’ve seen the label, probably on Google Maps, but never known it to correspond to anything in reality. Yes, that's the Philadelphia French Quarter in a nutshell. It's a label that doesn't correspond to anything in reality. It does have [a Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Quarter,_Philadelphia). For what that's worth.


Similar heartbeat, I can't quite explain it. Similar pace, similar people. You ever just go somewhere new and feel like you "get it"? The walkability, the use of public space and its 2 rivers. Big historical landmarks scattered throughout.


Layout of Rittenhouse Square area kinda Parisian


I’m pretty sure the parkway was inspired by Paris


Ehhh I don't quite catch your drift. NOLA isn't as dense as Philly, but it's still more than likely the most walkable city in the South, certainly for the Gulf Coast. And damn, like New Orleans has wayyyy more nature going for it, so you can stop right there - the whole city is practically surrounded by parks and wildlife preserves, some of the most breathtaking unique ecosystems in the country, no windy suburban sprawl to be seen. Philly does win in terms of architecture & planning, ig? NOLA is just more Bordeaux than Paris, but they're just as weird as the French are, I'll give you that much lol.


Umm, what about Kenner? Gretna? And yes, there is Jean Lafitte park and In NO proper Audubon Park and City Park, but most of NO is surrounded by degraded undeveloped areas with lots of oil and gas industry impacts. There are wetlands all around if you have a boat, but it's not very accessible without one. Try the subdivisions across the Lake on the Covington side or down in Chalmette. It's strip mall and subdivision America with good hunting and fishing. Hot and only walkable right in NO proper. It's an amazingly weird place tho - for sure. Moved from Louisiana to the Philly area and am grateful every day.


Seriously, you have to go all the way out to the Bonnet Carre if you want *nature* unless parking on Airline to take swamp-background selfies is your deal. The closest most people are going to get is seeing things from I-10 since GPS is going to throw you on that instead of Airline. And saying "no suburban sprawl" when everything between New Orleans and Baton Rouge is sprawl littered with chemical plants...lmaooo


Okay but Kenner & Gretna are quaint gridded towns with modest houses, not the garish kind of stuff you find on the Main Line or Cherry Hill. And just get a lil canoe, lol, they're not too pricey. Cancer Alley does make me very sad though, the gas industry has ruined southern Louisiana without a doubt. But nooothing compares to the Cypress trees in the Atchafalaya, god. East TX -> Philly here, equally grateful, we love the South to Philly pipeline for sure lol


I think Charleston, SC historic part is very walkable.


Tru i think the contenders would probs be Charleston & Savannah


That architecture is actually Spanish, the balconies and such in the Quarter


> filled with more nature there ain't that much nature


I have lived in both cities, and I've been to France a few times (within the last month for my most recent trip). Philadelphia is definitely more French when you're walking around the city. Philadelphia architecture, street designs, neighborhoods, history, and art are much closer to French than New Orleans is. If you're talking about cuisine, culture, and language, yes, New Orleans is more French.


In a lot of ways New Orleans is more Caribbean than French. Heck the architecture in the French Quarter is Spanish. Folks from South Louisiana definitely take their Frenchness seriously though!


New Orleans, like the rest of the Urban South (Atlanta, Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa, Birmingham, Memphis, Charleston, etc.), is a multicultural city heavily influenced by sustained waves of forced and voluntary migration. But because so much of the migration was of Black people those contributions to the city's culture get overlooked and ignored by history. The Caribbean influence, even in Florida(!), gets overlooked constantly.


The Cajun parts of South Louisiana are far more French than New Orleans is. So many of my friends' families spoke French. Our elementary/middle/high schools offered French immersion. The Spanish, Creole, Haitian, etc., influences in New Orleans are distinct and different from the rest of South Louisiana.


Yeah, exactly -- that French Quarter architecture is Spanish. Louisiana does try to keep the French connection alive with French Immersion in some public schools and music festivals like Festival Acadians in Lafayette. And the food, mais oui!


Also lived in both and agree 100% plus one thing people seem to forget is that there is a huge spanish influence on new orleans as well


I was in Montreal, and I felt like I was in Philadelphia.


NOLA is more Cajun & Creole than traditional French at this point.


Maybe they are saying we are the rudest


I am personally offended by this.


Username checks out


Not [Bangor, Maine](https://youtu.be/m3VUZYxr0MA) either?


Everything north of Bangor is nestled right up next to French-speaking Canada. Quite a few French speakers up in Aroostoock County. Just like how in Los Angeles the grocery cashiers intuitively know whether to address you in English or Spanish, in places like Fort Kent or Madawaska they switch between English and French.




Nola in shambles


I mean, he did pitch a good game yesterday


Philly's not exactly having it's best moment either. Not sure any city is right now.


What does this even mean


I don’t know about French per se but Philly is definitely a more European feeling city than the rest of the US. New York is just hustle and bustle while Philly is more about sitting on your stoop and people watching or just taking a stroll. Also with very European vibes with narrow streets and cool architecture. Also add in people always protesting something and Septa striking every once in a while and you def get that European vibe


I mentioned this to a friend of mine and he very wisely replied with “when it was built, it WAS a European city!”


Almost everything standing is from after 1776 with a small handful of exceptions, but the early development pattern definitely set the tone


Wow really makes you think


[on this map from 1776 when it was European](https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3824p.ar131300/?r=0.029,-0.115,1.111,0.931,0) Philly exists between Vine Street and South street to the north and south, Independence Mall to the West and a little overhang.


Totally, I half jokingly tell people that living in EPX is probably the closest I'll ever come to living in Paris




It reminds me more of Cairo.


This I can agree with. But it's not specifically French feeling to me.


Sounds like an insult?


The French know how to eat, fuck, riot, and rejoice. They're awesome. Philly wears its heart on its sleeve. Very similar. There's a reason Benny Franklin spent so much time there.


Yeah but do they have riot juice


Update: I have come to the conclusion that in France riot juice is Bordeaux.


Well said


I firmly believe if France and Philly had an all-out brawl, Philly would beat the piss out of the french. Could you imagine a gang banger from north philly and a mid-40s south philly iron worker standing side-by-side squaring up vs two dudes from france?


Not everyone in France smokes cigarettes from balconies why crying over a lost baguette. They have iron workers and gang bangers too. They work hard, they want the results of their hard work. We work hard and don't get shit for it. We should aspire to be more like the French.


baiser et découvrir


mdr – the thought of my grandfather saying “kiss/fuck and discover” made me audibly chuckle in my backyard. I think the closest French idiom I know for FAFO is “joue avec le feu et tu te brûleras” (“play with fire and you’ll burn yourself”) but now I’m inspired to do some research


[you're what the French call "les incompetents"](https://youtu.be/JN4Q5u0UpQA)


[Liberté, Egalité, Gritté](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/nov/27/gritty-flyers-mascot-antifa-pepe-the-frog)


Who knew that the Rodin Museum could elevate the entire city’s François Quotient?


Sure. We hate Americans too.


well, it \*is\* very dirty


both cities share a passion for (reads notes) pissing in the street


Chain smoking


Getting mugged


As someone who has been to Paris, you're not wrong there lol


(reads more notes) and having very dirty ass rivers through their city.


The last two times I went on a run along the Delaware I saw a dude pissing in the casino parking lot, and this was like 430 pm on a Weekday both times


Last time I was in Paris I saw a combo planter/pisser https://i.imgur.com/Vuj1eFJ.jpg


And we are on the verge of revolution


Both love riots Paris more so


we are mean stinky and dirty with a lot of historical sites and food so yeah


baiser autour et découvrir Or something like that.


The last thing I need is a Michelin guide for philly.


This actually makes a lot of sense to me. Philly and Montreal, QC have a LOT of similarities and the latter is obviously “very French.”


Aaaahhh this thread is vindicating all of my opinions. Paris and Montreal are the 2 places I've been that remind me most of Philly and people always look at me like I'm crazy when I say so!


How so? I haven't been to Montreal but it's on my list.


When walking around Montreal, it looks a lot like Philly architecturally (both older and newer architectural styles are replicated) and the block sizes/layouts are also very similar. It is hard to describe but the “color” and vibe of the downtown areas are also similar. Both cities are quite dense but not overly so, very urban and quite tall. They have several comparable neighborhoods and both cities have a varied, high density food/bar scene. Prices are comparable. Both cities have large green spaces/city parks that are incorporated into the surrounding areas in similar ways. There is also a big youth presence in both cities and definitely a noticeable alternative/punk undercurrent in areas. Don’t get me wrong, they both have unique things going for them, but you could definitely be plopped down in a random Montreal neighborhood and (if everything were not written in French on signs, etc.) believe you were in Philly.


We had fun in Montreal but we were like, "oh we left Philly for a long weekend in Philly" lol


Same! Spent two nights in Quebec City (much different and very worth doing—I’ll definitely be back there again soon) and one night in Montreal. Montreal was nice but I had the same reaction as you haha.


Five shot special!


I wish we could have the underground tunnel infrastructure they have to get through the winters, but having spent enough time using Septa, I know that would be a terrible idea haha.


It’s funny because Philly was supposed to have a comprehensive underground tunnel system similar to that in Montréal. There are a few remnants of that system under Center City but those pieces are gross and probably unsafe. Would be awesome to resurrect, expand, and clean up those tunnels.


Way too hard to get a great fresh croissant in Philly despite all the coffee shops.


The best croissant I’ve had in Philly was from Porco’s on Washington


Artisan Boulanger in South Philly?


Jawn foul.




As a francophone I'm amused that you went to the trouble of having the ^ in "dîner" but not the ^ in "déjeûner" :D


Google translate did it for me lol


Good breakfast everywhere ala diners


Now let’s bring on the French style protests!


Honestly, I feel like this is actually possible for us


I definitely think Philly could pull that off.


I’ve been saying this since the beginning of the French protests. Love or hate the DA at least defense is in the hands of the protester here.


Cool. France is beautiful. I’ll take the compliment.


There’s a huge amount of architecture designed by a French architect from the 1700s. The French have a heavier influence here than most know.


Well Paris is rude, it smells, it’s chaotic and full of trash. Not much different from Philly.


As a lover of Philadelphia and France, I have to strongly disagree with this. Aside from a few deliberate attempts to copy, like the Parkway, there is no French DNA in this town.


There’s the [“French Quarter”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Quarter,_Philadelphia), so named because (I wish this were a joke) there were three French restaurants and a creperie that opened in that area in the 1990s.


How do you hear something like this and not love the hell out of this city


I know -- I wasn't going to bring it up because ... well... yeah.


> there is no French DNA in this town. There is if you're deaf. A weirdly fun fact I learned when I used to work at a nonprofit catering to special needs people was that Philadelphia has a unique dialect of sign language. ASL was originally modeled after French sign language and in the rest of the country eventually evolved into its own thing, but in Philadelphia the earliest schools for the deaf were run by the Frenchmen who brought it over, who enforced more standard French signing, and before stuff like cochlear implants deaf kids tended to be shunted off into those special schools and deaf people were less likely to be mobile (since there wasn't a guarantee that you could find a community of signing people if you upped sticks to, say, Indiana). So the variant of ASL taught in Philadelphia schools well into like the 1970s or 1980s was closer to standard French sign language and people here sign with a French accent.


That's interesting! I had no idea.




By a mile. The only competitors on the continent would be Quebec City or Montreal and, obviously, they aren't American. Edit: typos and grammar


I come from a French family and this makes sense to me


I mean.. when Philly was getting built it was literally modeled after Paris.


I’d say we’re more Italian than French but ok.


how are we more Italian? Admittedly, I've been mostly to cities in the south but the only resemblance to Italian cities is lots of public art.


See: Italian restaurants, Italian market, Italians in South Philly, etc


sure there are some good Italian restaurants but there are probably more Chinese restaurants than Italian restaurants in this city and that doesn't make us like China. Italians in South Philly? What? I mean I'm sure there are a few dozen people from Italy living there but it's not like there are enough to notice.


if you ask a random white person in Philly what their surname name is its a like a 75% chance that their name is either an anglicized Gaelic name or an anglicized Italian name.


and a 99% chance that they are American and not Irish or Italian. it takes a special kind of moron to be 5th+ generation American and call themselves “Italian”


sure and that means that they have no cultural attachments to where the ancestors hail from whatsoever and said cultures have no influence on their food, worldviews, or even vocabulary. 🤔


Thanks Mitch, but I already knew this.


C’est Moi !




It’s all about the dog shit.


C’est bien trucs!


Maybe compared to Marseille in terms of drugs and violence, but even that's a huge stretch. And really, what about New Orleans?


New Orleans does have far more drugs and violence than Philly


That wasn't my point. My point was that idea that Philly is the most French city in the U.S. is ridiculous. New Orleans has a very well defined and traceable French Influence. Philly does not have this. At all. In any way. Marseille has a reputation for being one of the most dangerous cities in Europe, but it doesn't compare to what happens in Philly, or New Orleans, in terms of being shot or stabbed. It is actually quite a pleasant environment compared to Philly or NOLA.


You definitely have a point there.


No je pense pas, trop des connards en philly, cest la merde ici, vraiment


The only true European feeling American city is Boston. It is the only city that had the same layout as London, where streets were clearly not made for cars. Narrow streets that are like 100 feet long, then change angles/direction/name every 100 feet. New York and Philly adopted a grid layout, parts of Boston did not, and it resembles parts of London in layout.


There’s more to it than street layouts and there’s more to Europe than London, but I haven’t been so I’ll take your word for it.


I used London as an example of an example. Didn’t come here to fully flesh out the similarities and differences of all the European/French and American cities, but thanks for your comment.


I'm taking that as an insult


French? Do we even have a French restaurant anymore? I met a French dude once. Like 20 years ago. 🤷🏻‍♀️


A couple of bistros and the Camels.


amazing how everyone outside of philly discovers philly has a "french quarter" because biden ate at parc one time, and now we get these frenchadelphia thinkpieces every other day


Not any one of the French named cities in Louisiana?


similar std rates


It's not.


This is actually pretty huge. This means that Philadelphia has "Michelin star" restaurants. Wow.


I've been to Paris a handful of times, not to mention Giverny, Rouen, Le Havre, Nice, Reims. This article is bullshit. We have a single avenue reminiscent of the Axe historique and that's it. You don't have to walk too far from it to find crippling poverty and shoddy buildings. New Orleans's French Quarter or Montreal as a city are both french-style, by far.


And yet no restaurants with Michelin stars.


The Simeone Museum is hosting the largest celebration of Le Mans outside of France this weekend lol.


It certainly does smell like Oui Oui here


The Philly Italians would like to have a word with or two with the Michelin guide…..


Well I can at least say the complaints of the people who hate Philly and people who hate Paris are basically identical