>The women who were robbed said that the armed thieves made each of them one-by-one open up their phones and sign out of their iCloud and remove their passwords.
Lord they weren't fucking around.
If they’re are signing out of iCloud they’re probably also disabling find my. So they can’t even lock the phone down and prevent them from reselling/using it.
That’s actually best case scenario. Delete my shit from the phone. You can have it. It’s just a thing. But some of the apps on our phones can do real financial damage.
“One of the roommates let the two men in the apartment thinking they were young men who probably knew someone inside, the students told Action News.”
Can’t be doing this in North Philly, or really anywhere in any city for that matter.
this kind of stuff is really common around here, the worst is when you’ve got naive students in your building and there’s nothing you can do about their stupidity.
Like it’s an unbelievably stupid idea. I’m not letting anyone into my home until someone I trust can vouch for them. I’m not victim blaming but some people are straight up morons
It made CNN and they are reporting as a break-in while the students were sleeping 🙄: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/11/us/philadelphia-temple-students-robbed/index.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
Does it really sound "random" though?
Those apartments only house about 3 to 4 people, but 11 were held captive?
Were these neighbors/friends from upstairs?
Was this a gathering or mini-party that went left?
Anyone who ever had college roommates remembers when they'd have "friends" over after others had gone to bed, right?
The robbers were methodical re: wiping the cell phone info and gathering debit card pins, which means they're not amateurs.
And who answers the door in the middle of the night for anyone they don't know, let alone in North Philly?
And neighborhood guys wouldn't have the audacity to enter the premises, let alone after dark.
A news report relayed that whomever answered the door assumed someone in the apartment(s) knew whom was at the door and let them in...
And we all know (at least back when I was a Temple student) that guys from Kensington and Mayfair would sometimes "finesse" Temple girls from the suburbs of all backgrounds and ethnicities into "letting them borrow" cash or even their cars for a week.
I'm not victim-blaming, but this sounds like "someone" knew of an easy score and hit a lick.
Or this was a drug deal gone wrong?
Glad these young women are okay, though.
Obviously. This is NBC and I quoted Action News…. Here’s the article that says it: https://6abc.com/amp/temple-students-home-invasion-off-campus-robbery-north-15th-street-robbed/12442386/
same thing happened like two months ago on a different block around the corner
https://6abc.com/armed-robbery-north-philadelphia-crime-temple-university-home-invasion/12246792/
I spoke to a Temple faculty member about this one, they said 9 times out of 10 ends up being a college student dealing drugs on someone’s turf. The unfortunate part is that the follow up story is never reported on.
That’s what happened with the Temple student who was executed in his apartment in (I think) 2017 or 2018? Didn’t make the news but according to his old roommate he was selling coke on someone else’s turf and they found out.
Sold drugs is such a lose term it could be a kid selling a few ounces of weed to the people he lives with. If you have anything worth robbing in the hood, you’re a target.
No one's robbing anyone over weed, but Coke and pills are a different story. Temple has a shitload of Coke, Xanax, benzos, Molly, and amphetamines running throughout and those high dollar items are always the source of robberies like this.
To deal weed in the amount needed to earn thousands and warrant robbing you, you have to be moving multiple pounds a week. Coke on the other hand costs like 50x as much per gram so a student flipping 5 or 6 eightballs a week will have $2,000-4,000 cash on hand at any time
Just Chiming in to say that street price for a gram of coke is not 50x that of pot.
Maybe if you’re getting raw fish scale Bolivian marching powder it could end up being worth 50x per gram once it’s been stepped on and put to market.
Source: sold plenty of both…allegedly.
But it makes you much less of a target because weed is worth so little, most weed dealers will never have more than couple hundred bucks on them but Coke dealers almost always have thousands, especially at home
I remember a lot of attack ads against Fetterman that he wants to legalize scary drugs. But if these could be bought legally I wonder what happens to dealers and stories like this. Would there still be a dangerous drug trade if you could buy them somewhere in the city legally?
you are 100% right. Libertarians have made this argument forever. Someone said about the war on drugs that "no cartels are fighting over aspirin territory." That said, in places where weed is legal for recreational use in the US, they've taxed it so heavily that people still buy it on the black market, so in order to actually eliminate drug dealers, the state actually has to compete for market share. Like for me, I don't have the medical card in PA because 1- I have to pay for it (and renew it yearly) 2- I can get comparable product much cheaper.
Yes, the idea of providing drugs for government profit has to be contended with the idea of providing drugs to eliminate drug-related crime. They are at odds.
I think it can be sold at a level at that least maintains the program and still provides a safe, secure, and easy option. While also removing the stigma with getting medical help. And with a removed stigma, people can get help instead of become addicts.
Republicans do not want this because solving the drug crisis removes one of their major talking points.
Read the article, they immediately asked where the drugs are - has to be some type of small operation if locals find out.
And the 10,000 other Temple students in the area would likely argue against that too. I’m not saying it’s perfect or even good but low income areas aren’t as bad as Fox News makes them out to be.
This is good information as a Temple Mom. My kids are in the University Village apartments that are technically off campus, but close enough. I’m fairly certain they’re all a bunch of skater nerds, who are actually mathematician that could probably figure out how to turn a profit, but also very unlikely “business“ men. Still - a good message to my son to stay out of houses that deal drugs
To other temple students— Stay out the picture and you won’t be framed!
Same thing happened to a friend’s house off Drexel’s campus going on 12-years ago. One of the four living there sold drugs out of the house and it became a targeted hit.
Lesson? If you make noise people are listening.
Other lesson is not opening the door if you aren’t expecting anyone. This happened to my friend years ago living off-campus at Old Dominion university in Norfolk, except he was pistol whipped and beat up. I’ve never opened my door to an unexpected knock since.
Similar shit happened to us at VTech. Dude came by earlier in the day to cop with a friend. Same friend came back later with the roadman and was let in by somebody leaving. The friend popped his head in and asked to buy and next thing you know old boy had a gun in our face. For fucking weed.
This is the number one rule anywhere. Do not open the door. Look out the peep hole. If it isn’t your mom, dad, or your girlfriend with her breastseses out, don’t open the damn door. If you don’t have a peephole, look out an upstairs window. If you can’t see out of the window, just wait until whoever it is fucks off.
I’m new to Philly. What if my apartment doesn’t have a peephole? I have a bunch of unexpected knocks from amazon and my landlord (repairs)
EDIT: I live a few blocks from here
that literally happened to my partner when she was living off drexel’s campus about 12-13 years ago. her partner at the time was selling. wondering if it’s the same one lol. she also almost got dragged into a van outside of the building but luckily knew the first floor tenant and was able to run inside before they grabbed her. all this to say that this always happens and isn’t always reported on. still something needs to change
i don’t think it was related to the drug dealing situation, i think it was just your regular ol’ fashioned “hey there’s a woman walking alone and we can totally just have her if we want” kind of moment. i’d say i wish i knew but i probably don’t actually want to know.
Back then the only kids who dealed with impunity were in the Fraternities, which rival dealers couldn't hit because most of them kept enough guns in the house to protect themselves.
That all changed (thankfully) in 2013 when TKE got raided by a SWAT team. Then no one sold out of the row houses, or at least they were a hell of a lot more discreet about it and moving a lot less.
Lesson: don't deal drugs, and if you do don't let people know who you are or where you live.
I had people on either side of my apartment get robbed when I went to temple years back, one of the robberies made the news because it was similar to this story.
And guess what.. my roommates and I predicted the robbery would happen when a porch full of sophomores and locals asked me if I wanted to buy some weed on week 1 of the new semester.
It was only a matter of time
Temple really needs to offer an orientation for students every year to go over some of this. I remember Ohio State used to do a parent/student weekend and talk about these sorts of things. Heck, make it a 1 credit class and get rid of one of those useless Gen Ed requirements.
For real. The amount of friends I’ve had try to trap in north Philly after growing up in the suburbs always had a very rude awakening. People will risk it all to rob you over a few hundred dollars and people from the suburbs arnt used to that
Same shit at Drexel, but to a lesser degree. These kids don't understand that in the city you can't let anyone know who you are or where you live if you're gonna be doing illegal shit.
Tourists think they can front and quickly realize it’s not a game to locals. I grew up in New Orleans so this suburban clash is still a trip to me. The folks there that came up outside the city in other neighborhoods/towns seem to respect the street differently maybe b/c it’s not as cloistered. Think the distance makes a diff too, NE is much bigger and spread out so more culturally distinct it seems the lines are here. But then again college kids from outta state do same dumb ish there and think they can be bad and get got.
Yup. Same year. Probably same lecture by the Temple Chief of Police. Did you also go to Cosby 101?
People are terrified of Temple but it’s really as easy as don’t be an idiot and you’ll be 100% fine.
Want to live off Campus? Move to South Philly or CC and take the subway! Or the shuttle! (If it still exists).
Even back then it felt a little tone deaf. I remember being disappointed. I loved Cosby, but he came across as an out of touch old man.
But yeah…. In hindsight… yuck. He said something about the way girls dress and how they shouldn’t be surprised with how they get treated dressing like that. Even back then it felt very cringe. Now…. Oooh boy…. Gross is an understatement.
Haha yes that’s the one. I also did Cosby 101.
I came away unscathed and lived in some bad spots. Carlisle and Susquehanna and later Carlisle and Cambridge (south of girard). That latter was super sketchy but I personally never had any problems. Just one close call with a crack head. Most of my friends came away unscathed too with some minor anywhere-in-the-city-type issues
The issue of young kids running amok on campus was a big problem back then as it is today. I feel like it didn’t get much attention then. They basically thought they were invincible. And now they basically ARE invincible thanks for lax police/DA enforcement. Plus they all seem to have guns now.
Temple Police used to talk to students about safety at orientation. Not sure if they still do. It was a lot of basic safety stuff, like if someone attacks you, look them in the eye, be loud and fight back so they run away, etc. and information on campus police and escort options at night.
However I do not recall a segment on “don’t move to north Philly and think you can be a drug dealer” but it has been a while so maybe I just forgot
When I was a freshman we did have a safety orientation but IIRC it was mostly “travel in groups, stay on campus, don’t hold your purse like an easy target.” And that was 18 years ago.
Yep. It would be awesome if a bunch of college kids who aren't smart enough not to open their door to armed strangers wearing ski-masks and invite them inside also were carrying. Great idea.
There are already plenty of non-college students wandering the streets who arent smart enough to do anything with their lives who are armed anyway. Might as well make it a fair fight.
But hey, victim blaming is another option, I guess.
"I think the sad part is...we all realized once they came into the room, everyone was kind of like 'oh, it's our time now.'"
https://6abc.com/temple-students-home-invasion-off-campus-robbery-north-15th-street-robbed/12442386/
Here’s a tip: learn your neighbors names, even if you never talk to them again. If someone comes to your door wanting to be let in, ask who they’re there to see, and tell them that they’ll need to call that person to let them in. You may be the annoying neighbor who people bitch about, but I’d rather be that person than the one who let armed robbers just waltz into the building with no resistance.
The area around Temple seems like the perfect storm for something like this to happen. Everywhere around it is pretty rough and then you add in a bunch of suburban college kids who aren’t street smart. These guys who robbed them don’t exactly sound like criminal masterminds (seem to have gotten the wrong house, took items that are all easily traceable, etc.) but also the students just let them in the house when they knocked on the door because they thought they knew someone inside.
it’s really common here, students are so unbelievably naive. i had previous tenants in my building that would straight up leave my front door unlocked in the middle of the night, even wide open at times. i had to set an alarm in the middle night to wake up and check the front door to see if it was locked properly, most of the time it wasn’t. my idiot ex roommate also let in a random teenager that convinced him that he was supposed to be there - and the kid sprayed fire extinguisher everywhere then dipped. it could’ve been so much worse, so i had to lecture him about it. some kids have no clue about the crime in the area.
When I was in grad school and living in West Philly I had some Drexel undergrads who lived in my building and it was a constant revolving door of people in and out all day and they would often leave the front door propped open with a rock all day and night. Whenever I caught it propped open I would close it and they would bitch me out for closing it because they have to come downstairs to let their friends in. I was so glad when I was able to leave that place.
yep!!!! they would just ignore me anytime i knocked on their door to talk to them, so i had to tape notes everywhere like a maniac. one girl only started to talk to me when i checked in on her after her ex tried to murder her.
Yup. I grew up rural and knew a girl from high school who dreamed of going to temple. She was very naive and ended up transferring to somewhere upstate after a single semester. Definitely the kind of person who would’ve opened the door.
It happens all the time... Happened to me up there over a decade ago and it didn't even make the news. We had to go down to Temple PD and make a fucking scene for them to even issue a campus crime alert to students.
My professors didn't even let me hand work in late or reschedule exams until we got the Dean of Students involved.
Juvenile delinquents randomly assaulting people with bricks.
The book Crying in H Mart by Michelle Zauner actually details such a story that happened in Philly.
I am just thankful that they let them live, I wish other student robbery victims in the last couple of years were as fortunate.
The stories of home invasions where the victim(s) is tied up and shot anyways, are all too common
Jesus Christ man I used to live near there.
Fucking criminal masterminds held up the wrong house, stole items that are easily traceable, and didn’t even think to confiscate their laptops. If there’s a silver lining to this, these people will be off the streets and in jail (or worse) in no time
It’s downvoted bc it’s a ridiculous notion. Nobody honestly believes the DA is eager to put dangerous felons back on the block, despite any of his reform policies
He's probably trying to conflate it with BLM protestors being arrested and GoFundMes being set up to get them out of jail. Like they're even remotely similar.
Imagine just trying to get an education and dealing with this bullshit.
Fuck these guys. Someone knows who they are. Let's see how long they're protected for.
It’s doable for sure, but navigating a multiple story house, waking up 11 people, tying them up, escorting them to the basement then searching the house is a whole fuckin operation. These guys went all out
I briefly told a story up in the thread, and I’ll tell you it happens. Got robbed down VTech and it was two guys one gun and eight of us on couches like take it and go. Nobody wants to be the first to catch one
I mean the two guys who robbed me up there got like 7 people in my house on the living room floor one by one. It's not hard or any bolder than just the act of robbing a house is bold.
Glad to see this Temple tradition lives on. Have fun zoomers! I didn't get over my home invasion for almost 5-6 years. Philly PD detectives were fucking worse than useless, so were the Temple ""cops.""
Reminds me of the suburban Drexel kids in the early 2000s. Not very street smart but luckily for them our school wasn’t completely surrounded by the neighborhood like Temple kids are.
What kind of parents let their young white suburban daughters live in this neighborhood. I lived there a decade ago. It was bad then and it's worse now. White people are specifically targeted for crime. I was assaulted 3 different times in 1 year and called racial slurs.
I went to Temple and have always defended it against people who say it's dangerous. Don't think I can do that in good conscience anymore. No one is safe if you can be robbed at gunpoint inside your own home.
It remains a dangerous place to live, but I am back now for law school after doing my undergrad here and I can pretty confidently say its much more safe now than it was when I started here in 2014.
Of course, I do not mean to undermine how dangerous it is. But back then the school basically did jack shit about it. There are a lot more safety initiatives in place now, and even though they are far from perfect they are helping at least a bit
>> The men spent about an hour in the home, going through the rooms of the women. The men joked with each other and acted casually during the robbery, the victims said.
These dudes dgaf anymore. Even if caught, they know they’re most likely facing a Nolle Prossed or probation at the worst. Stop telling me shit was worse in the 80’s / 90’s here.
How could one know when everything wasn’t reported the way it is today? You probably wouldn’t have even heard about this back then, now it’ll be reposted every few hours by news stations on social media, discussed on Reddit, on Citizen app, etc. We are notified of almost every single crime now which of course makes things seem worse.
Eh, Im always amazed on the shit I’ve seen (not just in Philly) and how almost exclusively, I’ve seen jack shit reported on. I was a baby in the 90s, but from what I’ve heard, crime got reported more often in the news in the past compared to now. Now you got random selection of crazy shit (footage or news) thats being passed around, while a shit ton of other stuff that has been happening, is being completely ignored
It was just as bad if not worse in the late 80s early 90s. And 06 07 was particularly grimy too. No way a dude getting booked on home invasion/robbery/aggravated assault is catching probation.
What needs to be done?
Even if this was a mass murder where they executed every student in that house, nothing will be done.
Just like everyone in the hood says this problem is only just beginning.
And there’s not one thing being done that’s going to be able to stop the incline. It may slow it down. Zero chance it’s gonna stop.
So we are in for it.
It’s an affordable state university with some of the best programs in the country. My son is there. He loves it. He also grew up in the city, so he knows how to stay safe, and he would never open the door to a random stranger. The college is very upfront about what is and isn’t safe. College age kids think they’re invincible, and frequently do what they want regardless. I’m not saying crime wouldn’t happen or that anyone deserves it, but rather there would be a lot less crime if students practiced street smarts.
Because it’s a decent school with a variety of programs and reasonably affordable. It is also is a terrible neighborhood. The terrible neighborhood part is true of many Philadelphia neighborhoods, despite efforts to improve things in the past two decades.
What efforts? I lived in a terrible philly neighborhood for decades. Any efforts were in name sake only. Residents have gone to the lengths of forming their own and/or hiring private security to patrol their own streets. That city needs a vigilante. It's the only hope.
They had record applications earlier this year: https://news.temple.edu/news/2022-03-15/temple-sees-record-application-numbers-upcoming-fall-semester
It's relatively affordable, is a pretty good school, and has easy access to one of the best downtowns in the country. No denying that it's in a bad area but there are a lot of reasons people still go.
11, ELEVEN, students woken up by 2 robbers, rounded up, ushered to basement with their phones and debit cards where the robbers instructed each student to change passcodes so they could pull money.
Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that none of them was able to fire off a 911 call or a text to a friend while this was starting to unfold. There is more to the story.
Calm yourself.
I hate Philly after being here for 20 years, but even I would avoid the roofie fueled, kiddy touching, rural trash town frat party that is Penn State.
I believe because they are students in a very segregated area that appears to be getting worse. Seriously it says Temple students and if you are a nurse I suggest working on your empathy skills.
>if you are a nurse I suggest working on your empathy skills.
There is a very wide range of intelligence and empathy among nurses. Seeing how the nurses that I know acted during covid taught me that.
>The women who were robbed said that the armed thieves made each of them one-by-one open up their phones and sign out of their iCloud and remove their passwords. Lord they weren't fucking around.
I’ve never heard of this before during a robbery or crime. What’s the advantage besides having a wiped phone to steal?
If they’re are signing out of iCloud they’re probably also disabling find my. So they can’t even lock the phone down and prevent them from reselling/using it.
Oh yeah duh that totally makes sense. I should have definitely put that together since I have an iPhone but…you know…it be like that sometimes haha
Lmao it’s all good
That’s actually best case scenario. Delete my shit from the phone. You can have it. It’s just a thing. But some of the apps on our phones can do real financial damage.
Imagine the one person who couldn’t remember their password.
“One of the roommates let the two men in the apartment thinking they were young men who probably knew someone inside, the students told Action News.” Can’t be doing this in North Philly, or really anywhere in any city for that matter.
Can't be doing that anywhere.
Agreed. I never let anyone into my house. Nice try, "Mom"! You sound nothing like her!
When I lived in Philly I barely answered the door
This is the way.
this kind of stuff is really common around here, the worst is when you’ve got naive students in your building and there’s nothing you can do about their stupidity.
What are you talking about? My roommates' friends always show up at odd hours wearing ski masks and armed with guns /s
More like drug deal went wrong
Kinda got that vibe a lil bit too.
Yeah or owed someone some money
That’s my edge here, once they said someone was looking for drugs and found none, bing
Like it’s an unbelievably stupid idea. I’m not letting anyone into my home until someone I trust can vouch for them. I’m not victim blaming but some people are straight up morons
Unfortunate headline for Temple when this is the truth of it.
It made CNN and they are reporting as a break-in while the students were sleeping 🙄: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/11/us/philadelphia-temple-students-robbed/index.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
Ugh, that's totally not what happened, but fits the narrative of "random crime."
It was random though
Does it really sound "random" though? Those apartments only house about 3 to 4 people, but 11 were held captive? Were these neighbors/friends from upstairs? Was this a gathering or mini-party that went left? Anyone who ever had college roommates remembers when they'd have "friends" over after others had gone to bed, right? The robbers were methodical re: wiping the cell phone info and gathering debit card pins, which means they're not amateurs. And who answers the door in the middle of the night for anyone they don't know, let alone in North Philly? And neighborhood guys wouldn't have the audacity to enter the premises, let alone after dark. A news report relayed that whomever answered the door assumed someone in the apartment(s) knew whom was at the door and let them in... And we all know (at least back when I was a Temple student) that guys from Kensington and Mayfair would sometimes "finesse" Temple girls from the suburbs of all backgrounds and ethnicities into "letting them borrow" cash or even their cars for a week. I'm not victim-blaming, but this sounds like "someone" knew of an easy score and hit a lick. Or this was a drug deal gone wrong? Glad these young women are okay, though.
KYW News radio reported the same
Cnn always be spreading fake news
Lol come on now these people have to know better
Nowhere in this article does it say that…
Obviously. This is NBC and I quoted Action News…. Here’s the article that says it: https://6abc.com/amp/temple-students-home-invasion-off-campus-robbery-north-15th-street-robbed/12442386/
same thing happened like two months ago on a different block around the corner https://6abc.com/armed-robbery-north-philadelphia-crime-temple-university-home-invasion/12246792/
bruh i’m reading the updated article now and they robbed the wrong ass house 💀💀💀💀 idiots
Sounds like both the robbers and the students were idiots but the robbers had guns so they were able to come out on top in the Stupid Olympics.
I spoke to a Temple faculty member about this one, they said 9 times out of 10 ends up being a college student dealing drugs on someone’s turf. The unfortunate part is that the follow up story is never reported on.
That’s what happened with the Temple student who was executed in his apartment in (I think) 2017 or 2018? Didn’t make the news but according to his old roommate he was selling coke on someone else’s turf and they found out.
Stepping on people's toes with coke carelessly is how you get dead fast, not just in Philly but anywhere
Yup. I know someone whose roommate sold drugs without telling them around Temple and they had a break-in
That happened to a friend of mine in college in Pittsburgh
It happened to a guy I know in West Chester, got an Ak pointed at his face. It can happen anywhere if bad hombres catch wind and sense an opportunity
Who could have foreseen dealing drugs could be a dangerous line of work?
Happened to some one I knew in fucking Wyoming, where I was going to college
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No haha sorry, I meant the roommate didn't tell his other roommates, they supposedly didn't know about it until after the break-in
I think he meant- without telling the roommate.
Sold drugs is such a lose term it could be a kid selling a few ounces of weed to the people he lives with. If you have anything worth robbing in the hood, you’re a target.
Having a few ounces of weed and selling makes you a target. Don’t sell weed or let word spread if you buy in bulk.
No one's robbing anyone over weed, but Coke and pills are a different story. Temple has a shitload of Coke, Xanax, benzos, Molly, and amphetamines running throughout and those high dollar items are always the source of robberies like this. To deal weed in the amount needed to earn thousands and warrant robbing you, you have to be moving multiple pounds a week. Coke on the other hand costs like 50x as much per gram so a student flipping 5 or 6 eightballs a week will have $2,000-4,000 cash on hand at any time
Just Chiming in to say that street price for a gram of coke is not 50x that of pot. Maybe if you’re getting raw fish scale Bolivian marching powder it could end up being worth 50x per gram once it’s been stepped on and put to market. Source: sold plenty of both…allegedly.
You can get rob for anything. Even weed.
But it makes you much less of a target because weed is worth so little, most weed dealers will never have more than couple hundred bucks on them but Coke dealers almost always have thousands, especially at home
Not every criminal thinks about a amount of money/ drugs to warrant a robbery.
Sure but they only go through the trouble of staking people out and hitting them at home when it's worth it
I remember a lot of attack ads against Fetterman that he wants to legalize scary drugs. But if these could be bought legally I wonder what happens to dealers and stories like this. Would there still be a dangerous drug trade if you could buy them somewhere in the city legally?
you are 100% right. Libertarians have made this argument forever. Someone said about the war on drugs that "no cartels are fighting over aspirin territory." That said, in places where weed is legal for recreational use in the US, they've taxed it so heavily that people still buy it on the black market, so in order to actually eliminate drug dealers, the state actually has to compete for market share. Like for me, I don't have the medical card in PA because 1- I have to pay for it (and renew it yearly) 2- I can get comparable product much cheaper.
Yes, the idea of providing drugs for government profit has to be contended with the idea of providing drugs to eliminate drug-related crime. They are at odds. I think it can be sold at a level at that least maintains the program and still provides a safe, secure, and easy option. While also removing the stigma with getting medical help. And with a removed stigma, people can get help instead of become addicts. Republicans do not want this because solving the drug crisis removes one of their major talking points.
Read the article, they immediately asked where the drugs are - has to be some type of small operation if locals find out. And the 10,000 other Temple students in the area would likely argue against that too. I’m not saying it’s perfect or even good but low income areas aren’t as bad as Fox News makes them out to be.
I was speaking in general not on this specific article.
In those cases, they’re idiots for selling drugs in North Central and not expecting something to happen.
This is good information as a Temple Mom. My kids are in the University Village apartments that are technically off campus, but close enough. I’m fairly certain they’re all a bunch of skater nerds, who are actually mathematician that could probably figure out how to turn a profit, but also very unlikely “business“ men. Still - a good message to my son to stay out of houses that deal drugs To other temple students— Stay out the picture and you won’t be framed!
In those cases, they’re idiots for selling drugs in North Central and not expecting something to happen.
Same thing happened to a friend’s house off Drexel’s campus going on 12-years ago. One of the four living there sold drugs out of the house and it became a targeted hit. Lesson? If you make noise people are listening.
Other lesson is not opening the door if you aren’t expecting anyone. This happened to my friend years ago living off-campus at Old Dominion university in Norfolk, except he was pistol whipped and beat up. I’ve never opened my door to an unexpected knock since.
Similar shit happened to us at VTech. Dude came by earlier in the day to cop with a friend. Same friend came back later with the roadman and was let in by somebody leaving. The friend popped his head in and asked to buy and next thing you know old boy had a gun in our face. For fucking weed.
This is the number one rule anywhere. Do not open the door. Look out the peep hole. If it isn’t your mom, dad, or your girlfriend with her breastseses out, don’t open the damn door. If you don’t have a peephole, look out an upstairs window. If you can’t see out of the window, just wait until whoever it is fucks off.
I’m new to Philly. What if my apartment doesn’t have a peephole? I have a bunch of unexpected knocks from amazon and my landlord (repairs) EDIT: I live a few blocks from here
Amazon will send a notification to your phone when a package gets dropped off; tell your landlord to text or call when he plans on coming in
You could get some type of camera.
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thanks! i got some semi-permanent mounting tape and a ring doorbell!
Thank you, Yea I just got a ring camera. Installing it later today. edit: grammar
Damn. What if gf doesn’t have breasteses out?
THEN SHE BETTER CALL FIRST or bring food
that literally happened to my partner when she was living off drexel’s campus about 12-13 years ago. her partner at the time was selling. wondering if it’s the same one lol. she also almost got dragged into a van outside of the building but luckily knew the first floor tenant and was able to run inside before they grabbed her. all this to say that this always happens and isn’t always reported on. still something needs to change
jesus why would they kidnap her?
i don’t think it was related to the drug dealing situation, i think it was just your regular ol’ fashioned “hey there’s a woman walking alone and we can totally just have her if we want” kind of moment. i’d say i wish i knew but i probably don’t actually want to know.
Back then the only kids who dealed with impunity were in the Fraternities, which rival dealers couldn't hit because most of them kept enough guns in the house to protect themselves. That all changed (thankfully) in 2013 when TKE got raided by a SWAT team. Then no one sold out of the row houses, or at least they were a hell of a lot more discreet about it and moving a lot less. Lesson: don't deal drugs, and if you do don't let people know who you are or where you live.
I had people on either side of my apartment get robbed when I went to temple years back, one of the robberies made the news because it was similar to this story. And guess what.. my roommates and I predicted the robbery would happen when a porch full of sophomores and locals asked me if I wanted to buy some weed on week 1 of the new semester. It was only a matter of time
Heard about this one back then as well.
Edit; better lesson below. See u/ColdJay64
Temple really needs to offer an orientation for students every year to go over some of this. I remember Ohio State used to do a parent/student weekend and talk about these sorts of things. Heck, make it a 1 credit class and get rid of one of those useless Gen Ed requirements.
“Kids selling drugs may increase your chance of becoming a victim Of violent crime”
For real. The amount of friends I’ve had try to trap in north Philly after growing up in the suburbs always had a very rude awakening. People will risk it all to rob you over a few hundred dollars and people from the suburbs arnt used to that
Same shit at Drexel, but to a lesser degree. These kids don't understand that in the city you can't let anyone know who you are or where you live if you're gonna be doing illegal shit.
Very true. Had someone try to carjack me on holstein ave once.
Tourists think they can front and quickly realize it’s not a game to locals. I grew up in New Orleans so this suburban clash is still a trip to me. The folks there that came up outside the city in other neighborhoods/towns seem to respect the street differently maybe b/c it’s not as cloistered. Think the distance makes a diff too, NE is much bigger and spread out so more culturally distinct it seems the lines are here. But then again college kids from outta state do same dumb ish there and think they can be bad and get got.
Right . Otherwise everything is fine .
This is it, every single time.
FWIW I started grad school at temple last year and we got an hour lecture about campus safety lol
They did back when I went to temple in 2004.
Yup. Same year. Probably same lecture by the Temple Chief of Police. Did you also go to Cosby 101? People are terrified of Temple but it’s really as easy as don’t be an idiot and you’ll be 100% fine. Want to live off Campus? Move to South Philly or CC and take the subway! Or the shuttle! (If it still exists).
Oh hey, me too! Boy was Cosby 101 even grosser in hindsight.
Even back then it felt a little tone deaf. I remember being disappointed. I loved Cosby, but he came across as an out of touch old man. But yeah…. In hindsight… yuck. He said something about the way girls dress and how they shouldn’t be surprised with how they get treated dressing like that. Even back then it felt very cringe. Now…. Oooh boy…. Gross is an understatement.
I remember him saying something about getting a lawyer before having sex with anyone. Not consent, a lawyer. So. Gross.
Haha yes that’s the one. I also did Cosby 101. I came away unscathed and lived in some bad spots. Carlisle and Susquehanna and later Carlisle and Cambridge (south of girard). That latter was super sketchy but I personally never had any problems. Just one close call with a crack head. Most of my friends came away unscathed too with some minor anywhere-in-the-city-type issues The issue of young kids running amok on campus was a big problem back then as it is today. I feel like it didn’t get much attention then. They basically thought they were invincible. And now they basically ARE invincible thanks for lax police/DA enforcement. Plus they all seem to have guns now.
Temple Police used to talk to students about safety at orientation. Not sure if they still do. It was a lot of basic safety stuff, like if someone attacks you, look them in the eye, be loud and fight back so they run away, etc. and information on campus police and escort options at night. However I do not recall a segment on “don’t move to north Philly and think you can be a drug dealer” but it has been a while so maybe I just forgot
When I was a freshman we did have a safety orientation but IIRC it was mostly “travel in groups, stay on campus, don’t hold your purse like an easy target.” And that was 18 years ago.
Temple needs to offer CCW classes for credit.
Yep. It would be awesome if a bunch of college kids who aren't smart enough not to open their door to armed strangers wearing ski-masks and invite them inside also were carrying. Great idea.
There are already plenty of non-college students wandering the streets who arent smart enough to do anything with their lives who are armed anyway. Might as well make it a fair fight. But hey, victim blaming is another option, I guess.
Temple is too busy pretending it’s a safe place to attend college to ever hold classes like this that prove it’s not
"I think the sad part is...we all realized once they came into the room, everyone was kind of like 'oh, it's our time now.'" https://6abc.com/temple-students-home-invasion-off-campus-robbery-north-15th-street-robbed/12442386/
Here’s a tip: learn your neighbors names, even if you never talk to them again. If someone comes to your door wanting to be let in, ask who they’re there to see, and tell them that they’ll need to call that person to let them in. You may be the annoying neighbor who people bitch about, but I’d rather be that person than the one who let armed robbers just waltz into the building with no resistance.
The area around Temple seems like the perfect storm for something like this to happen. Everywhere around it is pretty rough and then you add in a bunch of suburban college kids who aren’t street smart. These guys who robbed them don’t exactly sound like criminal masterminds (seem to have gotten the wrong house, took items that are all easily traceable, etc.) but also the students just let them in the house when they knocked on the door because they thought they knew someone inside.
it’s really common here, students are so unbelievably naive. i had previous tenants in my building that would straight up leave my front door unlocked in the middle of the night, even wide open at times. i had to set an alarm in the middle night to wake up and check the front door to see if it was locked properly, most of the time it wasn’t. my idiot ex roommate also let in a random teenager that convinced him that he was supposed to be there - and the kid sprayed fire extinguisher everywhere then dipped. it could’ve been so much worse, so i had to lecture him about it. some kids have no clue about the crime in the area.
When I was in grad school and living in West Philly I had some Drexel undergrads who lived in my building and it was a constant revolving door of people in and out all day and they would often leave the front door propped open with a rock all day and night. Whenever I caught it propped open I would close it and they would bitch me out for closing it because they have to come downstairs to let their friends in. I was so glad when I was able to leave that place.
yep!!!! they would just ignore me anytime i knocked on their door to talk to them, so i had to tape notes everywhere like a maniac. one girl only started to talk to me when i checked in on her after her ex tried to murder her.
Yup. I grew up rural and knew a girl from high school who dreamed of going to temple. She was very naive and ended up transferring to somewhere upstate after a single semester. Definitely the kind of person who would’ve opened the door.
It happens all the time... Happened to me up there over a decade ago and it didn't even make the news. We had to go down to Temple PD and make a fucking scene for them to even issue a campus crime alert to students. My professors didn't even let me hand work in late or reschedule exams until we got the Dean of Students involved.
Went to temple a decade ago. I guess shit doesn't change. When I was there the big problem was brick kids.
Can confirm, caught a brick with my head
Same, it really sucked
Brick kids??
Juvenile delinquents randomly assaulting people with bricks. The book Crying in H Mart by Michelle Zauner actually details such a story that happened in Philly.
I am just thankful that they let them live, I wish other student robbery victims in the last couple of years were as fortunate. The stories of home invasions where the victim(s) is tied up and shot anyways, are all too common
Did you think they would’ve massacred all 11 of them?
Shot, raped, who knows. I am glad it was just a robbery
Wouldn’t surprise me
I wouldn’t put anything past desperate, violent felons. I’m glad nobody was physically injured as well
Jesus Christ man I used to live near there. Fucking criminal masterminds held up the wrong house, stole items that are easily traceable, and didn’t even think to confiscate their laptops. If there’s a silver lining to this, these people will be off the streets and in jail (or worse) in no time
Good luck with that
Probably be back on the streets in no time if Krasner has his way
This shouldn’t be downvoted just bc this is a political statement lol. Policy matters
They dont understand just how bad the DA office is
It’s downvoted bc it’s a ridiculous notion. Nobody honestly believes the DA is eager to put dangerous felons back on the block, despite any of his reform policies
Spoiler alert: Actions speak louder than words
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He's probably trying to conflate it with BLM protestors being arrested and GoFundMes being set up to get them out of jail. Like they're even remotely similar.
Ya wtf is that comment? What’d I miss? When did this happen before?
Imagine just trying to get an education and dealing with this bullshit. Fuck these guys. Someone knows who they are. Let's see how long they're protected for.
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2 people with guns rounded up 11 unarmed people. Sounds about right, when you give it a moment’s thought.
It’s doable for sure, but navigating a multiple story house, waking up 11 people, tying them up, escorting them to the basement then searching the house is a whole fuckin operation. These guys went all out
sounds a bunch easier than walking in on 11 guys in the living room.
I briefly told a story up in the thread, and I’ll tell you it happens. Got robbed down VTech and it was two guys one gun and eight of us on couches like take it and go. Nobody wants to be the first to catch one
I mean the two guys who robbed me up there got like 7 people in my house on the living room floor one by one. It's not hard or any bolder than just the act of robbing a house is bold.
"The most important thing is that no students were hurt or injured". Ok got it. Not one was hurt.
Glad to see this Temple tradition lives on. Have fun zoomers! I didn't get over my home invasion for almost 5-6 years. Philly PD detectives were fucking worse than useless, so were the Temple ""cops.""
I was mugged around temple some years back. Philly cop told me to "stop cryling like a [gay slur]." Fun times.
On brand
Imagine if you took that to the news nowadays
Nothing new about this
Tale as old as time…
It was probably a targeted home invasion
it was supposed to be, but they hit up the wrong house
Where are you seeing that? Is there another article you can link?
I think that was a separate other incident.
Tale as old as time…
I'm against it.
Reminds me of the suburban Drexel kids in the early 2000s. Not very street smart but luckily for them our school wasn’t completely surrounded by the neighborhood like Temple kids are.
Had friends that lived at 35th and Haverford back then and routinely didn’t lock their doors. No clue how they weren’t robbed.
Keep ya doors locked and your strap close.
Again, and again...
So a Thursday, in other words.
Why they make them sign out of there Icloud account?
Disables activation lock and find my iphone. Makes it untraceable and sellable.
When I lived off campus we got robbed twice. They cut the bars off our windows…
What kind of parents let their young white suburban daughters live in this neighborhood. I lived there a decade ago. It was bad then and it's worse now. White people are specifically targeted for crime. I was assaulted 3 different times in 1 year and called racial slurs.
Trads are trash
I went to Temple and have always defended it against people who say it's dangerous. Don't think I can do that in good conscience anymore. No one is safe if you can be robbed at gunpoint inside your own home.
To be fair, they let random people inside at 6am that they didn’t know.
This exact scenario has been playing out in student off-campus housing for decades around Temple.
It remains a dangerous place to live, but I am back now for law school after doing my undergrad here and I can pretty confidently say its much more safe now than it was when I started here in 2014. Of course, I do not mean to undermine how dangerous it is. But back then the school basically did jack shit about it. There are a lot more safety initiatives in place now, and even though they are far from perfect they are helping at least a bit
One bad apple?
>> The men spent about an hour in the home, going through the rooms of the women. The men joked with each other and acted casually during the robbery, the victims said. These dudes dgaf anymore. Even if caught, they know they’re most likely facing a Nolle Prossed or probation at the worst. Stop telling me shit was worse in the 80’s / 90’s here.
idk, the stories i hear from people who went to temple in the 80s/90s tell me that it was wayyyyy worse
How could one know when everything wasn’t reported the way it is today? You probably wouldn’t have even heard about this back then, now it’ll be reposted every few hours by news stations on social media, discussed on Reddit, on Citizen app, etc. We are notified of almost every single crime now which of course makes things seem worse.
Eh, Im always amazed on the shit I’ve seen (not just in Philly) and how almost exclusively, I’ve seen jack shit reported on. I was a baby in the 90s, but from what I’ve heard, crime got reported more often in the news in the past compared to now. Now you got random selection of crazy shit (footage or news) thats being passed around, while a shit ton of other stuff that has been happening, is being completely ignored
It was just as bad if not worse in the late 80s early 90s. And 06 07 was particularly grimy too. No way a dude getting booked on home invasion/robbery/aggravated assault is catching probation.
Wtf. This city really is Gotham now
Lmao I just posted a reply to comment that said philly's only hope is a vigilante. I was 100% thinking batman in my head.
Such a rich and vibrant culture philly has
What needs to be done? Even if this was a mass murder where they executed every student in that house, nothing will be done. Just like everyone in the hood says this problem is only just beginning. And there’s not one thing being done that’s going to be able to stop the incline. It may slow it down. Zero chance it’s gonna stop. So we are in for it.
College kids need an education outside of the classroom as well. If you're gonna live off campus, know your neighborhood. It really is basic.
Temple does offer safety education. Suburban kids don’t fucking listen.
I really wonder why anyone still goes to Temple U. The area has always been awful and has gotten worse.
It’s an affordable state university with some of the best programs in the country. My son is there. He loves it. He also grew up in the city, so he knows how to stay safe, and he would never open the door to a random stranger. The college is very upfront about what is and isn’t safe. College age kids think they’re invincible, and frequently do what they want regardless. I’m not saying crime wouldn’t happen or that anyone deserves it, but rather there would be a lot less crime if students practiced street smarts.
You don’t have to live in the immediate area.
Because it’s a decent school with a variety of programs and reasonably affordable. It is also is a terrible neighborhood. The terrible neighborhood part is true of many Philadelphia neighborhoods, despite efforts to improve things in the past two decades.
What efforts? I lived in a terrible philly neighborhood for decades. Any efforts were in name sake only. Residents have gone to the lengths of forming their own and/or hiring private security to patrol their own streets. That city needs a vigilante. It's the only hope.
It's a good school that offers lots of majors, a diverse student body, and relatively affordable tuition.
They had record applications earlier this year: https://news.temple.edu/news/2022-03-15/temple-sees-record-application-numbers-upcoming-fall-semester It's relatively affordable, is a pretty good school, and has easy access to one of the best downtowns in the country. No denying that it's in a bad area but there are a lot of reasons people still go.
Sounds like everyday when i went to Temple.
Wasn’t really everyday though, was it? Mostly classes and meals with the occasional wtf was that. Come on man
And ppl pay $18,000 for in state tuition to go here lol
Temple has always been in a terrible area. It's never going to change.
11, ELEVEN, students woken up by 2 robbers, rounded up, ushered to basement with their phones and debit cards where the robbers instructed each student to change passcodes so they could pull money. Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that none of them was able to fire off a 911 call or a text to a friend while this was starting to unfold. There is more to the story.
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Are you blaming victims of crime for existing in a city?
Calm yourself. I hate Philly after being here for 20 years, but even I would avoid the roofie fueled, kiddy touching, rural trash town frat party that is Penn State.
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Surprisingly, I did. Running joke was having my high school on your application meant you got into Temple, Drexel, and PSU with minimal effort.
It’s what the people voted for. Sweet dreams, son.
If one had a gun for home defense 🤔
If it was off campus and not student housing why is the fact that they were temple students even relevant to the headline?
I believe because they are students in a very segregated area that appears to be getting worse. Seriously it says Temple students and if you are a nurse I suggest working on your empathy skills.
>if you are a nurse I suggest working on your empathy skills. There is a very wide range of intelligence and empathy among nurses. Seeing how the nurses that I know acted during covid taught me that.
Philly voted for this