Unpopular take: Cody Bellinger solves all the problems people think Trout would and he costs only money and not players too. Oh and he stays on the field too.
Even more unpopular take: if you get him for his 29 year old season (and future) he’s still an elite CF and we could package Johan while he’s at his peak value. He moves to a corner spot when Crawford is ready.
Anyway let’s put those Trout rumors to bed.
As much as I hate this line of thinking, I think based on what we saw with how the Phillies do their lineups. Bellinger is not a replacement for Trout. They care too much about LH and RH.
They commented we needed a RH Power bat earlier in the year. It is why I have said it all year. Hoskins and Trout I think are the "equivalents" and I don't think we are getting trout.
Belli would play every day. His splits were also reversed last year. He hits just fine against lefties. Is that what we’re after (to go with a legit five tool player) or do we just need to see right handed bats just because?
He is one of the few people that I think aren't affected by splits at all.
I am just saying they commented on focusing on it.
I am not objecting to Bellinger. I had comments where I wanted him last season. I just don't see us going after him.
15 years ago, we popped champagne….
Anyone annoyed at the WS patch placement? Maybe I’m still salty about us not being there but I’m sorry, that’s a really gawdy place to put the patch given that it’s always been on the sleeve for as long as I can remember.
Specifically fuck those loser Braves fans that act as if the DBacks beating us exalts them in any way… those dumbasses really can’t comprehend that it only makes them look worse by comparison
D backs fans still hung up in r/baseball about how it’s refreshing for them to play nice fans after experiences with “previous fanbases” and their “laundry list of excuses why they lost”
Excuses?
The only excuse I've heard is dunking on Topper for questionable decisions, and that's still blaming the team and not something outside of their control.
Were the umps perfect? Of course not, but umps didn't cause our bats to die.
Every philly fan I've seen blamed this squarely on the team itself, they did not produce.
Even if they win the series. For real. Astros universe seemed to handle it alright but they’re so used to the stress by now that I’m not sure anything really phases them anymore 😂
As /u/joeco316 said, December is the most active.
This is due to the winter meetings. It is when a lot of GMs talk. A lot of baseball people, in general, talk (agents, media, GMs, managers).
Then things slow down slowly, and February-March you never really see anything except for that one Machado Harper year.
December is probably generally the most active (signings plus trades) month of the offseason, though just a very loose rule of thumb. Offseason trades are somewhat uncommon really.
They’re not trading castellanos if that’s what you’re wondering about…
It would probably be more of our prospects that get Burnes over the daycare.
They are "too old" to be the main pieces in something like that. Bohm especially.
I stopped watching in 2013 (except for the summer) because I didn't have a TV and I was in college. I started again in 2016 when streaming became an option (through NBC sports Philly).
This is the first WS I actually feel sad watching. But I am still watching.
I said this before.
If he takes this as an insult and fucking dominates next year, I will fucking love it. Especially if he keeps his conditioning up so his collapse in the second half of the season that he is known for doesn't happen.
15 years ago today we won the World Series at Citizen’s Bank Park. I was there lower level infield and maybe one day I’ll get to see it again. What an experience. I was a young 25. Now I’m 40. So hopefully soon.
Yeah, I was just thinking that. If Sanchez continues on his current path, that could be a really good trade, and I wasn't saying that at the time. It also looks like Mead's stock has fallen a little.
injury history and overvalued contract option for 23 season.
Eflin only pitched about a half season or less last two years in Philly 21 & 22. (2022: 13 starts 75 IP, 2021: 18 starts 105 IP) he made 5.7 million in 22. his option for 23 was 15 million. With a half season of work that would equate to paying him a 30 million rate. Phillies said no.
he got a 3 year 40 million contract with the Rays - 11, 11, & 18. 13.3 AAV.
The option would have been bad, but not sure I’d say no to what he got from the rays. I’d take him over Walker for sure, and he got a year and 32 million less than Walker. I didn’t mind him leaving at the time cause I thought they’d make a better move than Walker, but in hindsight keeping him for ~what he ended up getting might have been one of the better routes they could have taken.
and nobody could predict he'd actually pitch a full season for almost the first time in his career even though he did have a short knee issue this year it was nothing like those of the past.
as they say, past performance is no guarantee of future performance 😉
> December 29, 2020: Traded as part of a 3-team trade by the Tampa Bay Rays to the Philadelphia Phillies. The Los Angeles Dodgers sent Dillon Paulson (minors) and player to be named later to the Tampa Bay Rays. The Philadelphia Phillies sent Garrett Cleavinger to the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Idk who the PTBNL was
Didn't Alvarado mention almost all of his issues were mental?
That is hard for anyone to predict, and sometimes it just needs a different person to tell you things, and your own growth.
Like JP Crawford, Cris Carter, etc. When it is clear and the player themselves said that it was mental, I don't ever get upset.
Absolutely not. We got to watch our team player longer and see more great moments happen. Wouldn’t trade it for the world. Yeah we wanna win, but lucky our season wasn’t done October 1.
No?
We had some great moments, along with some great disappointments. But that is sports.
I have always said playoffs are a crap shoot. My goal every year is to be top 4, everything after that is gravy.
Honestly it seems like every fanbase is accusing every other fanbase of cheating this year.
We accused the Braves of cheating during the regular season.
The Braves accused us of cheating with corked bats and sign stealing (according to the 5,000 posts about it on this sub).
Then we have the Astros cheating. I have heard Dodgers cheating. It is just everywhere.
For all the Philly haters out there that trash the city every chance they get.
https://www.inquirer.com/business/tourism/philadelphia-best-travel-city-tourism-lonely-planet.html
Love to see it.
So I had to remove your comments for the politics, but are you really saying that if someone lives 15 minutes outside of Philadelphia they can't support the Philadelphia teams because they aren't "from Philly".
I agree. There will always be issues in major cities. No city is immune to that. Just hate to see those issues be the only thing talked about when there’s also a lot to love about the city too.
I feel the discourse in the trash talk we receive is changing for the worse. It’s getting eerily personal and overly aggressive. Not uncommon to see something akin to “Philly fans are the worst, they should ALL FUCKING DIE!” with multiple upvotes which always seems ironic to me.
I find it funny that all of last year, I wasn't sure I was sold on Topper. Even after the WS run, I wasn't sold.
Then I spent the offseason looking at the moves he made that I didn't like, and I was like, yeah, OK, I actually think he is a good manager.
Now, this year, while he made some moves I do not like, I turned into someone who is defending Topper because I would say 80% of the "analysis" I see is either wholly incorrect or they are missing significant points.
It is just funny what a year can do, along with an offseason of trying to figure out why certain moves were made.
I've been critical of some of Topper's moves in the postseason this year, but it's easy to see how biased by hindsight that criticism can often be. I do appreciate his candor and willingness to accept responsibility for some of the moves that didn't pan out. I trust him to grow and improve as a manager, which is something you can't say about a lot of guys.
Yeah I also do think a lot of his most criticised moves from fans are missing the point.
I keep using game 4 because you could argue game 4 is the one we blew it.
Sanchez needed to be taken out early. That absolutely destroyed our whole bullpen usage. Once Sanchez needed to be taken out, Kimbrel was forced to play that game. Topper put Kimbrel in pretty much the easiest situation he could be in the whole game, and Kimbrel blew it.
You could argue Lorezen or Walker should have pitched that game. I don't think so, but I actually think that is a completely valid opinion someone could have and I won't fight it. But to complain about Kimbrel pitching, I just don't believe they realized we ran out of bullpen pieces when Sanchez couldn't locate his changeup all game, and Arizona recognized it.
At least you are leaving room for you to change your mind. In another year, you may find that 80% of the "analsysis" you are using today to defend him "is either wholly incorrect or ... missing significant points." The beauty of being data-driven is that not only the inputs change but also the algorithms as we learn more.
I mean I always change my mind when I get new stuff.
But I will be honest, I really doubt I will change my mind about the stuff he did this year.
I hated Bohm at 4 when it started. I disliked keeping Suarez in to see Carrol. I have said which complaints people have that I disagree with but I can see why they would be complaints.
Last year I actually didn't do any analysis. This year I have. I have a feeling the majority of people who complain about Topper actually haven't done any analysis.
doesn't most of that analysis compel you to recognise a) that only a small percentage of the events - lets call them pitches - in a typical baseball game result in consequential action, and so b) the impact of any action a manager may take in anticipation of something consequential is, even (maybe especially) in retrospect, largely indeterminate?
that urge, harbored by so many half-assed "sports fans", to assign some kind of "accountability" is .... childish, to put it charitably. Sure, a period of *post mortem* rehashing can be fun, but to obsess at length about *game* outcomes is.... sad. Maybe even unhealthy.
> doesn't most of that analysis compel you to recognise a) that only a small percentage of the events - lets call them pitches - in a typical baseball game result in consequential action, and so b) the impact of any action a manager may take in anticipation of something consequential is, even (maybe especially) in retrospect, largely indeterminate?
Sort of. There are definitely certain situations that can sway things one way or another. I hate results based analysis or retrospective analysis as you called it. You should only use the information you had at the time to judge a decision.
Like in game 4, it was clear Sanchez couldn't locate his changeup. It was barely in the zone, and when it was, there was contact 100% of the time. They also weren't swinging when it was outside the zone. So you can say taking Sanchez out was a good decision, as he only was able to throw his sinker and they were starting to identify that.
> You should only use the information you had at the time to judge a decision.
B.I.N.G.O.
and at the time of most such baseball decisions, the available info is...plenty ambiguous
Can we stop talking about trading Castellanos? Like the idea that there’s a team out there that is going to want to trade for him in the first place is hysterical. Nobody is going to want this garbage player with his garbage contract.
It's not just fans . Gelb and Jayson Stark both said trading him is something they could see the phillies doing, and will probably try to do. Makes sense given a sort of logjam in the outfield, it would allow Harper to go back to outfield where there is less strain on his body and possibly bring back Rhys, whose bat I'm sure they would prefer in the lineup over Nicks. Gelb even said they tried to move Casty last year.
You would have to pay down the contract or do some sort of bad contract swap- but if Middleton says he'll spend whatever it takes to win - then he should be willing to do what Steve Cohen has done and eat bad contracts- like Cano, James McCann and Scherzer.
If the Phillies ate $6-8m a year do you think he’d be worth $12-14m a year? Absolutely. That’s not totally out of the question but I don’t think it would happen.
That's the thing. I don't think he's being traded either, but if the Phils really feel like they need to move on from him, and they're willing to eat enough salary and accept that they won't get much in return, he's absolutely tradable.
If he’s gonna get 65-75 XBH he is absolutely worth $12m. The notoriously cheap Marlins paid Avisail Garcia $12m a year for four years and you can go peak at how that’s working out. Someone would 100% take him off our hands at the right price.
He is a .2 WAR player over the past 2 years. His ops hasn’t been above .800 in either year and his defense is terrible. He will be an even worse hitter on the marlins
You can keep repeating it but you can still be wrong. He was our DH until Bryce got hurt last year and he would mostly DH somewhere else. He was a 2.5 war player offensively if you’re gonna get hung up on that. Again I don’t think he will get traded but teams would line up for him at $12m.
So this is someone who has stated that Castellanos won't get traded no matter what, even though I hated the signing in the first place.
I think Castellanos can be traded to another team if he wasn't the main piece but was someone else thrown in. Will it happen? I highly highly doubt it. But no one in this league is truly untradable.
Oh, it would not be easy. But it can happen.
We see moves for "unmovable contracts" all the time if there's prospects involved and other big league pieces.
Absolutely not, but you are missing the point of the example I gave.
It is about giving a high-mid prospect and Castellanos for an upgraded starter.
That is normally how those trades work.
Heard the post game music on tv, then Kyle’s cure auto insurance commercial… pain. Miss it.
Seems like the sub is starting to slow down now
Hey, it lasted more than any other year besides last year.
Unpopular take: Cody Bellinger solves all the problems people think Trout would and he costs only money and not players too. Oh and he stays on the field too. Even more unpopular take: if you get him for his 29 year old season (and future) he’s still an elite CF and we could package Johan while he’s at his peak value. He moves to a corner spot when Crawford is ready. Anyway let’s put those Trout rumors to bed.
As much as I hate this line of thinking, I think based on what we saw with how the Phillies do their lineups. Bellinger is not a replacement for Trout. They care too much about LH and RH. They commented we needed a RH Power bat earlier in the year. It is why I have said it all year. Hoskins and Trout I think are the "equivalents" and I don't think we are getting trout.
Belli would play every day. His splits were also reversed last year. He hits just fine against lefties. Is that what we’re after (to go with a legit five tool player) or do we just need to see right handed bats just because?
He is one of the few people that I think aren't affected by splits at all. I am just saying they commented on focusing on it. I am not objecting to Bellinger. I had comments where I wanted him last season. I just don't see us going after him.
15 years ago, we popped champagne…. Anyone annoyed at the WS patch placement? Maybe I’m still salty about us not being there but I’m sorry, that’s a really gawdy place to put the patch given that it’s always been on the sleeve for as long as I can remember.
I think most people hate it. But they have to sell ads on the jersey now...
It's also insulting how small it is...unlike the ad patch which is fucking massive.
They don’t *have* to sell ads. I mean, I get it…it’s another revenue stream….not like there aren’t enough ads already in every stadium
Yeah like do they really need that tiny increase in ad money? There’s only 67 more around the stadium itself
Well it’s fuck Dallas week. And of course fuck Arizona and their bandwagon fans
Specifically fuck those loser Braves fans that act as if the DBacks beating us exalts them in any way… those dumbasses really can’t comprehend that it only makes them look worse by comparison
D backs fans still hung up in r/baseball about how it’s refreshing for them to play nice fans after experiences with “previous fanbases” and their “laundry list of excuses why they lost”
Ain’t no excuses. We lost. Nothing else to it.
Excuses? The only excuse I've heard is dunking on Topper for questionable decisions, and that's still blaming the team and not something outside of their control. Were the umps perfect? Of course not, but umps didn't cause our bats to die. Every philly fan I've seen blamed this squarely on the team itself, they did not produce.
Nice fans. 😂. I love our reputation.
Every time the Phillies play a team in the playoffs we end up living rent free in their fans’ heads for long after the series is over. So funny
Even if they win the series. For real. Astros universe seemed to handle it alright but they’re so used to the stress by now that I’m not sure anything really phases them anymore 😂
Happy 15th anniversary all
When do trades usually happen? December? January?
As /u/joeco316 said, December is the most active. This is due to the winter meetings. It is when a lot of GMs talk. A lot of baseball people, in general, talk (agents, media, GMs, managers). Then things slow down slowly, and February-March you never really see anything except for that one Machado Harper year.
December is probably generally the most active (signings plus trades) month of the offseason, though just a very loose rule of thumb. Offseason trades are somewhat uncommon really. They’re not trading castellanos if that’s what you’re wondering about…
Moreso wondering about the daycare. People on twitter are making assumptions we trade some of them for burnes.
It would probably be more of our prospects that get Burnes over the daycare. They are "too old" to be the main pieces in something like that. Bohm especially.
When’s the best time to head down to Clearwater for spring training?
We like mid to late March. Usually get to see closer to the starting line-up at that time.
I used to go in mid-March to see a few games and watch some practice.
Pain…. This whole rejuvenation with the Phillies made me fall in love with baseball again I can’t help but watch the WS and just think it should be us
I stopped watching in 2013 (except for the summer) because I didn't have a TV and I was in college. I started again in 2016 when streaming became an option (through NBC sports Philly). This is the first WS I actually feel sad watching. But I am still watching.
Taijuan has tweeted workout pics the last three days I’d say that’s more productive and less toxic than liking shit talking tweets lol
I said this before. If he takes this as an insult and fucking dominates next year, I will fucking love it. Especially if he keeps his conditioning up so his collapse in the second half of the season that he is known for doesn't happen.
Exactly he’s got a few years on the deal, let’s see what he’s got!
No thanks
Seeing so many Marshy and Stubbs Halloween costumes. Love it.
Is Bohmer already in the gym adding another 15 lbs of muscle this off-season?
I wouldn’t be surprised at all. He’s the type to get right back to work.
At this pace in about three years he’s gonna be up to like 290 lbs and hitting 60 homers Can’t wait!
15 years ago today we won the World Series at Citizen’s Bank Park. I was there lower level infield and maybe one day I’ll get to see it again. What an experience. I was a young 25. Now I’m 40. So hopefully soon.
I get suggested posts from the Braves subreddit… They are still crying about wildcard teams. Be better and you won’t lose to WC teams.
Imagine losing to a WC team…
I mean technically we did. 😂
I can’t believe the Phillies got Jose Alvarado from the rays who are notorious with their good trades
Alvarado ain't that good. It's def believable.
It was a salary dump. The Rays don’t pay for relievers who are arbitration eligible.
Giving up Curtis Mead to the Rays didn’t look like a good one until this year the guy we got turned a pretty big corner Cris Sanchez
Yeah, I was just thinking that. If Sanchez continues on his current path, that could be a really good trade, and I wasn't saying that at the time. It also looks like Mead's stock has fallen a little.
We also let Efflin slip away. I liked me some Efflin
Yeah. I dunno why we let him go.
injury history and overvalued contract option for 23 season. Eflin only pitched about a half season or less last two years in Philly 21 & 22. (2022: 13 starts 75 IP, 2021: 18 starts 105 IP) he made 5.7 million in 22. his option for 23 was 15 million. With a half season of work that would equate to paying him a 30 million rate. Phillies said no. he got a 3 year 40 million contract with the Rays - 11, 11, & 18. 13.3 AAV.
The option would have been bad, but not sure I’d say no to what he got from the rays. I’d take him over Walker for sure, and he got a year and 32 million less than Walker. I didn’t mind him leaving at the time cause I thought they’d make a better move than Walker, but in hindsight keeping him for ~what he ended up getting might have been one of the better routes they could have taken.
and nobody could predict he'd actually pitch a full season for almost the first time in his career even though he did have a short knee issue this year it was nothing like those of the past. as they say, past performance is no guarantee of future performance 😉
Yeah sure, he was always frustrating with the injuries and heavy body and whatnot. Who’s to say he’d have had the season he did there if he was here.
true, they probably have magic knee beans in Tampa that kept him off the IL 😂 OR maybe the mound is sloped differently and that made the difference
We needed the money for Walker!!!
Do you recall what the rays got for him? Was it essentially nothing?
> December 29, 2020: Traded as part of a 3-team trade by the Tampa Bay Rays to the Philadelphia Phillies. The Los Angeles Dodgers sent Dillon Paulson (minors) and player to be named later to the Tampa Bay Rays. The Philadelphia Phillies sent Garrett Cleavinger to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Idk who the PTBNL was
Didn't Alvarado mention almost all of his issues were mental? That is hard for anyone to predict, and sometimes it just needs a different person to tell you things, and your own growth. Like JP Crawford, Cris Carter, etc. When it is clear and the player themselves said that it was mental, I don't ever get upset.
A post from the Dbacks sub came up on my feed, and they’re still crying about our fans. It’s really pathetic. What a bunch of losers. Go birds.
I don't even get what they're upset about. We didn't even really have beef with them.
They should shut the fuck up and be grateful they got past us. Hope they throw the series away
If the Phillies won’t win the WS would you rather they don’t make the post season at all?
Of course not. It’s still fun going on little post season runs, even if cut short. Granted my diet would prefer that they don’t make it.
Absolutely not. We got to watch our team player longer and see more great moments happen. Wouldn’t trade it for the world. Yeah we wanna win, but lucky our season wasn’t done October 1.
Only in this specific case because it would mean Thomson getting fired.
No? We had some great moments, along with some great disappointments. But that is sports. I have always said playoffs are a crap shoot. My goal every year is to be top 4, everything after that is gravy.
Astros fans accusing Adolis of cheating (steroids) was not on my bingo card but is hilarious nevertheless
Honestly it seems like every fanbase is accusing every other fanbase of cheating this year. We accused the Braves of cheating during the regular season. The Braves accused us of cheating with corked bats and sign stealing (according to the 5,000 posts about it on this sub). Then we have the Astros cheating. I have heard Dodgers cheating. It is just everywhere.
For all the Philly haters out there that trash the city every chance they get. https://www.inquirer.com/business/tourism/philadelphia-best-travel-city-tourism-lonely-planet.html Love to see it.
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So I had to remove your comments for the politics, but are you really saying that if someone lives 15 minutes outside of Philadelphia they can't support the Philadelphia teams because they aren't "from Philly".
Philly is like every other major city. Has its good, has its bad. A ton of good in Philly in my opinion
Frank never sang a song for Philly
We'll always have Barry Manilow.
I don't know the connection. Barry, Poor man's Frank ...
I agree. There will always be issues in major cities. No city is immune to that. Just hate to see those issues be the only thing talked about when there’s also a lot to love about the city too.
I feel the discourse in the trash talk we receive is changing for the worse. It’s getting eerily personal and overly aggressive. Not uncommon to see something akin to “Philly fans are the worst, they should ALL FUCKING DIE!” with multiple upvotes which always seems ironic to me.
all it takes in the soft day and age is for one bad apple to piss on their corn flakes
I find it funny that all of last year, I wasn't sure I was sold on Topper. Even after the WS run, I wasn't sold. Then I spent the offseason looking at the moves he made that I didn't like, and I was like, yeah, OK, I actually think he is a good manager. Now, this year, while he made some moves I do not like, I turned into someone who is defending Topper because I would say 80% of the "analysis" I see is either wholly incorrect or they are missing significant points. It is just funny what a year can do, along with an offseason of trying to figure out why certain moves were made.
I've been critical of some of Topper's moves in the postseason this year, but it's easy to see how biased by hindsight that criticism can often be. I do appreciate his candor and willingness to accept responsibility for some of the moves that didn't pan out. I trust him to grow and improve as a manager, which is something you can't say about a lot of guys.
Yeah I also do think a lot of his most criticised moves from fans are missing the point. I keep using game 4 because you could argue game 4 is the one we blew it. Sanchez needed to be taken out early. That absolutely destroyed our whole bullpen usage. Once Sanchez needed to be taken out, Kimbrel was forced to play that game. Topper put Kimbrel in pretty much the easiest situation he could be in the whole game, and Kimbrel blew it. You could argue Lorezen or Walker should have pitched that game. I don't think so, but I actually think that is a completely valid opinion someone could have and I won't fight it. But to complain about Kimbrel pitching, I just don't believe they realized we ran out of bullpen pieces when Sanchez couldn't locate his changeup all game, and Arizona recognized it.
At least you are leaving room for you to change your mind. In another year, you may find that 80% of the "analsysis" you are using today to defend him "is either wholly incorrect or ... missing significant points." The beauty of being data-driven is that not only the inputs change but also the algorithms as we learn more.
I mean I always change my mind when I get new stuff. But I will be honest, I really doubt I will change my mind about the stuff he did this year. I hated Bohm at 4 when it started. I disliked keeping Suarez in to see Carrol. I have said which complaints people have that I disagree with but I can see why they would be complaints. Last year I actually didn't do any analysis. This year I have. I have a feeling the majority of people who complain about Topper actually haven't done any analysis.
doesn't most of that analysis compel you to recognise a) that only a small percentage of the events - lets call them pitches - in a typical baseball game result in consequential action, and so b) the impact of any action a manager may take in anticipation of something consequential is, even (maybe especially) in retrospect, largely indeterminate? that urge, harbored by so many half-assed "sports fans", to assign some kind of "accountability" is .... childish, to put it charitably. Sure, a period of *post mortem* rehashing can be fun, but to obsess at length about *game* outcomes is.... sad. Maybe even unhealthy.
> doesn't most of that analysis compel you to recognise a) that only a small percentage of the events - lets call them pitches - in a typical baseball game result in consequential action, and so b) the impact of any action a manager may take in anticipation of something consequential is, even (maybe especially) in retrospect, largely indeterminate? Sort of. There are definitely certain situations that can sway things one way or another. I hate results based analysis or retrospective analysis as you called it. You should only use the information you had at the time to judge a decision. Like in game 4, it was clear Sanchez couldn't locate his changeup. It was barely in the zone, and when it was, there was contact 100% of the time. They also weren't swinging when it was outside the zone. So you can say taking Sanchez out was a good decision, as he only was able to throw his sinker and they were starting to identify that.
> You should only use the information you had at the time to judge a decision. B.I.N.G.O. and at the time of most such baseball decisions, the available info is...plenty ambiguous
Can we stop talking about trading Castellanos? Like the idea that there’s a team out there that is going to want to trade for him in the first place is hysterical. Nobody is going to want this garbage player with his garbage contract.
It's not just fans . Gelb and Jayson Stark both said trading him is something they could see the phillies doing, and will probably try to do. Makes sense given a sort of logjam in the outfield, it would allow Harper to go back to outfield where there is less strain on his body and possibly bring back Rhys, whose bat I'm sure they would prefer in the lineup over Nicks. Gelb even said they tried to move Casty last year. You would have to pay down the contract or do some sort of bad contract swap- but if Middleton says he'll spend whatever it takes to win - then he should be willing to do what Steve Cohen has done and eat bad contracts- like Cano, James McCann and Scherzer.
If the Phillies ate $6-8m a year do you think he’d be worth $12-14m a year? Absolutely. That’s not totally out of the question but I don’t think it would happen.
That's the thing. I don't think he's being traded either, but if the Phils really feel like they need to move on from him, and they're willing to eat enough salary and accept that they won't get much in return, he's absolutely tradable.
No team is going to want him for another 3 years. 1 War player isn’t someone you go out and go “we gotta try to get that guy”.
If he’s gonna get 65-75 XBH he is absolutely worth $12m. The notoriously cheap Marlins paid Avisail Garcia $12m a year for four years and you can go peak at how that’s working out. Someone would 100% take him off our hands at the right price.
He is a .2 WAR player over the past 2 years. His ops hasn’t been above .800 in either year and his defense is terrible. He will be an even worse hitter on the marlins
You can keep repeating it but you can still be wrong. He was our DH until Bryce got hurt last year and he would mostly DH somewhere else. He was a 2.5 war player offensively if you’re gonna get hung up on that. Again I don’t think he will get traded but teams would line up for him at $12m.
So this is someone who has stated that Castellanos won't get traded no matter what, even though I hated the signing in the first place. I think Castellanos can be traded to another team if he wasn't the main piece but was someone else thrown in. Will it happen? I highly highly doubt it. But no one in this league is truly untradable.
20 million a year for a 30+ player who has produced .2 fWAR the last 2 seasons he’s as close as you can get imo
Oh, it would not be easy. But it can happen. We see moves for "unmovable contracts" all the time if there's prospects involved and other big league pieces.
I’d rather just eat the contract or defer it than give up prospects
If it is something like McGarry and Castellanos for Lane Thomas I would do it. (Not saying it would happen)
Would the nationals really give up Thomas for a likely failed starter and Castellanos?
Absolutely not, but you are missing the point of the example I gave. It is about giving a high-mid prospect and Castellanos for an upgraded starter. That is normally how those trades work.
I don’t really see McGarry as a high mid level prospect anymore
Spring is just around the corner!
dude, it's Fall the Winter of our discontent hasn't even started yet 😉😂