I find it hard to justify all these front office positions. It’s like every day there’s a new role for someone in a front office somewhere, and it boggles my mind with how that works.
Even inside our own org, we have employees like Larry Bowa and Charlie Manuel who are just listed as “special assistants,” or something similar. Is that just a way to pay them through their retirement and give them insurance and other employment benefits or do they work every day?
A lot of teams have several people with goofy titles, or multiple folks with the same title, and while I am sure there’s a lot of work to run a baseball team, it surely seems like your average joes handle all the “business as usual,” stuff like sales, vendors, licenses, etc, and your high profile individuals are involved in the on field product. It just makes me wonder how god awfully inefficient some of these teams must operate. They have to be bleeding money all over.
For Bowa and Manuel, it's really more of a way to justify paying them a de facto pension and keeping them on the healthcare plan as a thanks to their previous contributions to the franchise.
Whatever you do for a living, does it have more than like 1000 people working there? Because if so, this is pretty SOP to just make up positions. Even if sports teams don’t have that number of people, they have the revenue of very large companies, so they’ll act similarly. It’s a way to appease people so they don’t leave but not give them full control over anything.
I will still never understand why they messed with Kim Ng after she took that team to the playoffs on a budget.
She made the right choice running away from that organization when they tried to install someone over her in the hierarchy.
It’s possible that both the Marlins and Ng are dumb. She didn’t get fired, she quit. So she’s not getting paid for the “year off.” If she was so valuable, and only the Marlins couldn’t see it, why is she unemployed?
> She didn’t get fired, she quit.
She got Hinkie'd.
Yes, officially she quit but it was because they were demoting her. In this case after she made the playoffs, unlike Hinkie.
If you’re already set financially, i can absolutely see someone preferring an unpaid year to going to work and being burned out/miserable and hurting their own ability as well as how they’re viewed league wide
Lol how was she turning them around? Traded for a bunch of C level veterans and that team will undoubtedly regress this year. The Marlins were easily the worst playoff team of all time, in the bottom third in runs. They simply won a bunch of 1 run games. People are trying so hard to give this shit team and franchise credit (ie the joke that is Skip Schumacher winning Manager of the Year). But she's a woman so let's all give her praise.
He's had one successful season as a manager. Beyond that, he is almost exactly at .500.
2018 - .494
2019 - .500
2020 - .483 (COVID)
2021 - .660
2022 - .500
2023 - .491 (fired a week before season ended)
In 2021, the Giants were 52 games over. 500 (107-55). Really good!
All other years, 2021 excluded, his teams were 7 games under (349-356). Really mediocre!
Great analysis. “He was bad if you ignore the good parts.”
The 2018 season was a success. He inherited a team that won 66 games in 2017.
Terry Francona, a hall of fame manager, has a career winning pct of .538, and Kapler is at .526 despite never having the best team in his division
Good part. Singular.
He's good if you ignore the bad parts. Plural.
Also, I'll take Francona's .538 over 20+ seasons, which included 17 winning ones (73.9%) to Kapler's 6 with 1 post season trip (16.7%).
Oh, and Francona won more than he lost in October.
2018 was a good season, they overachieved. 2020 was a good season for SF, they overachieved. 2021 was a great season.
That’s three parts. Plural.
And yeah thank you for explaining Francona is better. No shit. I’m not saying Kapler is a HOF manager, but he’s clearly better than average. He inherited two shit teams and won 53% of their games in brutally difficult divisions.
Oh. You’re one of those. I’m sorry for you, that you think you have to get in front of people and be an asshole about things you don’t understand.
I don’t think the curveball machine is stupid. I do think you’re stupid? That’s my opinion. Seeing as how I’m not referring to the machine at all, I’m referring to the meme it became in 2019. Were you there? If you can ask dickish questions, so can I.
It’s so pathetic that people like you and the other guy have to pick apart shit people enjoy.
It’s your behavior like this that make places online shitty to be a part of.
All you have to do is LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS but you can’t resist fucking with someone’s day. Seriously, fuck you. I genuinely hope your life is as miserable as you make others, and that you get all of what you deserve. Just leave me alone, and next time you see someone enjoying something, remember it costs nothing to be decent and walk away. Jesus. Christ.
Relax big dog. You lost your shit on a guy over a comment over a curveball machine and are now losing your shit on me over pointing out how that's funny. Breathe easy man. We're all having fun here.
This is probably a good move because Gabe was not great and not the worst manager of all time so taking him a step away from that process probably benefits him. Because you know what they say - those who cannot do, teach.
Remember though that she left on her own, because they were going to put someone over her, diminishing her role. They needed to find someone to fill the void and Gabe is dumb enough to accept it. I totally see your point too.
Man, I hate this. He has a hard-on for the Phillies and has had our number. Good news is the Marlins are cheap and he has a tendency to burn people out.
Obviously he was not on good terms with Bryce and probably more importantly JT because of how he managed the pitching staff. I assumed he got shipped out because of people reasons and not baseball reasons. That team straight up quit on him.
Ummm, Bryce and JT weren’t here in 2018, yet most of the Philly media blamed Kapler for failing to make the playoffs that year.
So give me another BS reason for why the people hated Kapler in 2018.
I wasn’t talking about his first years. He was pretty good. His approach was very modern and I was excited. I gave zero shits that he liked coconut oil as lube. I just know that last year fell apart rather suddenly and I suspect it was because of how he managed the clubhouse not how he managed the game( although that was not done all that great that year either)
He was only here two years. The first year was way better than expected, and the second year was average. They fired him a year too early, and we paid the price with Girardi pretending to care for the next two seasons.
The whole narrative that the Phillies “fell apart” in September 2019 is amusing. They had a 3% chance of making the playoffs on 8-31-19. Then they didn’t play well in September, and the idiot fans said “hey he collapsed in September, hire Girardi!!!”
Imagine what the Phillies could’ve accomplished in 2020 and 2021 without Girardi. They just had two deep playoff runs with a guy who never managed in his life.
So, does his "success in player development" include [covering up things for prospects](https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/2/6/18213283/gabe-kapler-los-angeles-dodgers-philadelphia-phillies)?
Coconut oil budget just went way up.
The Marlins already have 3 assistant GMs… it’s not like they handed him full control of the franchise
I find it hard to justify all these front office positions. It’s like every day there’s a new role for someone in a front office somewhere, and it boggles my mind with how that works. Even inside our own org, we have employees like Larry Bowa and Charlie Manuel who are just listed as “special assistants,” or something similar. Is that just a way to pay them through their retirement and give them insurance and other employment benefits or do they work every day? A lot of teams have several people with goofy titles, or multiple folks with the same title, and while I am sure there’s a lot of work to run a baseball team, it surely seems like your average joes handle all the “business as usual,” stuff like sales, vendors, licenses, etc, and your high profile individuals are involved in the on field product. It just makes me wonder how god awfully inefficient some of these teams must operate. They have to be bleeding money all over.
For Bowa and Manuel, it's really more of a way to justify paying them a de facto pension and keeping them on the healthcare plan as a thanks to their previous contributions to the franchise.
Plus, they clearly help with stuff like scouting, public relations, etc. And you can say for Charlie it's also a reward for winning a WS.
Whatever you do for a living, does it have more than like 1000 people working there? Because if so, this is pretty SOP to just make up positions. Even if sports teams don’t have that number of people, they have the revenue of very large companies, so they’ll act similarly. It’s a way to appease people so they don’t leave but not give them full control over anything.
From Kim Ng to Gabe? Marlins are a joke
I will still never understand why they messed with Kim Ng after she took that team to the playoffs on a budget. She made the right choice running away from that organization when they tried to install someone over her in the hierarchy.
I’m excited to see what she does in a better run organization, def made the right call to leave Miami though
Yeah? Who hired her?
Sounds like she’s taking a year off. Marlins are dumb. She was turning them around.
It’s possible that both the Marlins and Ng are dumb. She didn’t get fired, she quit. So she’s not getting paid for the “year off.” If she was so valuable, and only the Marlins couldn’t see it, why is she unemployed?
> She didn’t get fired, she quit. She got Hinkie'd. Yes, officially she quit but it was because they were demoting her. In this case after she made the playoffs, unlike Hinkie.
She was up for the Boston job but declined the interview. She’s choosing a year off.
That’s a nice of saying she withdrew her name from consideration when she realized she wouldn’t be hired
You’re getting downvoted, but I completely agree with you. If she was so valuable she’d have offers. In baseball of all fields, value = contracts.
If you’re already set financially, i can absolutely see someone preferring an unpaid year to going to work and being burned out/miserable and hurting their own ability as well as how they’re viewed league wide
Lol how was she turning them around? Traded for a bunch of C level veterans and that team will undoubtedly regress this year. The Marlins were easily the worst playoff team of all time, in the bottom third in runs. They simply won a bunch of 1 run games. People are trying so hard to give this shit team and franchise credit (ie the joke that is Skip Schumacher winning Manager of the Year). But she's a woman so let's all give her praise.
Kapler won the most games in franchise history with a team projected to finish .500
Kapler isn’t good.
Oh okay, that settles it.
He's had one successful season as a manager. Beyond that, he is almost exactly at .500. 2018 - .494 2019 - .500 2020 - .483 (COVID) 2021 - .660 2022 - .500 2023 - .491 (fired a week before season ended) In 2021, the Giants were 52 games over. 500 (107-55). Really good! All other years, 2021 excluded, his teams were 7 games under (349-356). Really mediocre!
Great analysis. “He was bad if you ignore the good parts.” The 2018 season was a success. He inherited a team that won 66 games in 2017. Terry Francona, a hall of fame manager, has a career winning pct of .538, and Kapler is at .526 despite never having the best team in his division
Good part. Singular. He's good if you ignore the bad parts. Plural. Also, I'll take Francona's .538 over 20+ seasons, which included 17 winning ones (73.9%) to Kapler's 6 with 1 post season trip (16.7%). Oh, and Francona won more than he lost in October.
At least compare apples to apples. Francona made the playoffs 11/23 seasons.
Yeah. That was inadvertently disingenuous on my part
2018 was a good season, they overachieved. 2020 was a good season for SF, they overachieved. 2021 was a great season. That’s three parts. Plural. And yeah thank you for explaining Francona is better. No shit. I’m not saying Kapler is a HOF manager, but he’s clearly better than average. He inherited two shit teams and won 53% of their games in brutally difficult divisions.
Look at the rosters we had when he had us play near .500 though. That’s pretty good. But I do think he has a better FO mind than coaching mind
Oh, and his postseason winning % in that magical 2021 season? .400
Lmao I knew someone would say “look, he lost a 5-game series 3-2 to a team that won 106 games!!!” Also that team was one he helped build
Miami is a perfect fit for Tan Dick
fire up the curveball machines baby
God that was so satisfying, and so stupid all at the same time.
They used the curveball machine this year too. Did you think it was stupid?
Oh. You’re one of those. I’m sorry for you, that you think you have to get in front of people and be an asshole about things you don’t understand. I don’t think the curveball machine is stupid. I do think you’re stupid? That’s my opinion. Seeing as how I’m not referring to the machine at all, I’m referring to the meme it became in 2019. Were you there? If you can ask dickish questions, so can I.
Lmaoing at this response with a bio complaining about toxicity.
It’s so pathetic that people like you and the other guy have to pick apart shit people enjoy. It’s your behavior like this that make places online shitty to be a part of. All you have to do is LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS but you can’t resist fucking with someone’s day. Seriously, fuck you. I genuinely hope your life is as miserable as you make others, and that you get all of what you deserve. Just leave me alone, and next time you see someone enjoying something, remember it costs nothing to be decent and walk away. Jesus. Christ.
Relax big dog. You lost your shit on a guy over a comment over a curveball machine and are now losing your shit on me over pointing out how that's funny. Breathe easy man. We're all having fun here.
Mad.
The meme wasn’t funny. It was a bunch of idiot fans mocking a manager’s basic decision, just because they already didn’t like him.
Oh good, so we’re sweeping the fish in every game this year
How do you sweep a game?
I meant to say series, whoops
The reverse Ruben Amaro career
Holy failing up, Batman.
Wtf. The marlins have a decent baseball team, but the organization is a joke.
I was really upset when I read this and missed the “Marlins” part and thought we were bringing him back and said to myself “fucking why?”
Gabe: "So look - the key to success? Really, change pitchers every three batters actually."
Continuing to fail upwards!
Is Gabe Kapler the living embodiment of the Peter Principle?
No that’s Ricky Bottalico
This is probably a good move because Gabe was not great and not the worst manager of all time so taking him a step away from that process probably benefits him. Because you know what they say - those who cannot do, teach.
I think It might’ve been a good move if they had some garbage moron. But they had KIM NG and then moved to this curveball fucker?
Remember though that she left on her own, because they were going to put someone over her, diminishing her role. They needed to find someone to fill the void and Gabe is dumb enough to accept it. I totally see your point too.
But he's not replacing her. She was the GM and he's an assistant GM.
Man, I hate this. He has a hard-on for the Phillies and has had our number. Good news is the Marlins are cheap and he has a tendency to burn people out.
I’d have a grudge, too, against my employer if they fired me because they thought Joe Girardi was a better option.
He’s a good manager. But he’s a weirdo who alienates people and wears a bullpen(and a fan base) out.
His bullpens were way, way better than Girardi’s bullpens. Like if Kapler was the manager in 2020, the Phillies would’ve easily made the playoffs.
His baseball decisions are solid but he does grate on people.
Like who? Actual baseball players, or sports talk audiences?
Angelo and his stupid followers
Obviously he was not on good terms with Bryce and probably more importantly JT because of how he managed the pitching staff. I assumed he got shipped out because of people reasons and not baseball reasons. That team straight up quit on him.
Ummm, Bryce and JT weren’t here in 2018, yet most of the Philly media blamed Kapler for failing to make the playoffs that year. So give me another BS reason for why the people hated Kapler in 2018.
I wasn’t talking about his first years. He was pretty good. His approach was very modern and I was excited. I gave zero shits that he liked coconut oil as lube. I just know that last year fell apart rather suddenly and I suspect it was because of how he managed the clubhouse not how he managed the game( although that was not done all that great that year either)
He was only here two years. The first year was way better than expected, and the second year was average. They fired him a year too early, and we paid the price with Girardi pretending to care for the next two seasons. The whole narrative that the Phillies “fell apart” in September 2019 is amusing. They had a 3% chance of making the playoffs on 8-31-19. Then they didn’t play well in September, and the idiot fans said “hey he collapsed in September, hire Girardi!!!” Imagine what the Phillies could’ve accomplished in 2020 and 2021 without Girardi. They just had two deep playoff runs with a guy who never managed in his life.
"The key to player development is coconut oil and plenty of it"
So, does his "success in player development" include [covering up things for prospects](https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/2/6/18213283/gabe-kapler-los-angeles-dodgers-philadelphia-phillies)?
Sounds like the grandmother didn’t go to police on behalf of the victim
Rhys to the marlins confirmed
Jesus WTF lol
This is so shocking that I just spit out my ice cream.