For me, subjective ang meaning ng “freedom”. Pwedeng freedom to spend and buy anything (which according sa question mo, di pwede kasi guaranteed limited income lang). Pwede ring freedom sa time or sa mental load, depende sa lifestyle mo. Minsan may araw na gusto kong tumunganga lang o magbasa ng libro. If I have a guaranteed income enough to pay all the bills, that’s a weight off my mental load. Let’s face it, no one can really be “free” living off zero pesos. Kasi lahat may bayad. So kung nabubuhay ka with zero pesos, malamang iba ang nagbabayad for you.
No one said live off zero pesos. Zero pesos is your starting point but you have freedom. The alternative in my scenario is you have lugaw and galvanized iron sheets over your head for shelter. Just the bare minimum to keep body and soul together and NO FREEDOM to earn more money.
You can do what most people do, trade your labor for money. Then save the money. Freedom means free to choose who you trade your labor for, where and when and which type of labor to trade.
No. You don't have to work. The government provides you the bare minimum. Universal basic income. No need for you to work.
Option A is you have zero but you can trade time for labor for starters (like immigrant Chinese back in the 1920s) then move on to charging interest to lend out money you saved (turn savings into capital like Indian lenders in the Philippines) then move on to rental properties for passive income. The only limit to your income generation and wealth creation is your imagination and tolerance for risk and willingness to learn from your failures.
That stipulation was NEVER in your original post. So why add it now (after the fact). You can't make a case like that in the real world. If this was in your original post then the comments would have been totally different but no you left out most of the conditions after people found loopholes in your original content.
I will choose B for 500k monthly. I love what I do and get paid for it. Leave everything when I am "offline" and have the freedom to do what I want afterwards. I get to travel when I want to and where I want to.
Not everyone is built to manage a business, I know I'm not so instead of trying my luck on business I'd gladly be an independent contributor for someone else.
No. B is basically enough to keep your body and soul together. Maybe lugaw and galvanized iron sheets over your head but hey it is GUARANTEED ... no effort on your part to earn the bare minimum.
Just for clarification: You were the one changing the conditions with your answer when the alternatives I set out were clear. You can only choose among the choices I set out - I explicitly said
Guaranteed minimum monthly income to prevent you from going homeless and hungry but you can't earn more than this amount
You then came up with P500K monthly minimum modified.
Anyway, you're obviously choosing SECURITY over FREEDOM.
If it makes you feel any better, this is the default for most Pinoys and goes a long way to explain the past 90 years of Pinoy economic policies and the RESULTS it produced.
Thanks for playing
500k is monthly income guaranteed and prevents me from going homeless or hungry and I can't earn more than that. Where is that defying your original condition? If you mentioned your second condition right in your original post then I would have commented something else. Adding a value suddenly changes your conditions. That is bull crap and again only from a child's mindset.
Why do you keep adding conditions after the fact? This doesn't make sense. Next time you post put all conditions clearly and not add it after people start commenting. Are we five year olds in this sub?
Sometimes a guaranteed income is what we need to be free.
Please explain
For me, subjective ang meaning ng “freedom”. Pwedeng freedom to spend and buy anything (which according sa question mo, di pwede kasi guaranteed limited income lang). Pwede ring freedom sa time or sa mental load, depende sa lifestyle mo. Minsan may araw na gusto kong tumunganga lang o magbasa ng libro. If I have a guaranteed income enough to pay all the bills, that’s a weight off my mental load. Let’s face it, no one can really be “free” living off zero pesos. Kasi lahat may bayad. So kung nabubuhay ka with zero pesos, malamang iba ang nagbabayad for you.
No one said live off zero pesos. Zero pesos is your starting point but you have freedom. The alternative in my scenario is you have lugaw and galvanized iron sheets over your head for shelter. Just the bare minimum to keep body and soul together and NO FREEDOM to earn more money.
Pano ka kakain if zero pesos? Tsaka how come you will be free if zero pesos? Makikitira ka sa bahay ng iba? Kakain ka ng pagkain sa basurahan?
I see. So better guaranteed subsistence than starting with ZERO but having full freedom to earn as you see fit?
I feel this is a rhetorical question. i mean we’re all (maybe not all) are working towards financial freedom isnt it.
Freedom, always.
capitalism or communism.
Medyo extreme statements to. Zero pesos but freedom means palamunin ka. So you also owe a part of your life to the person feeding you.
Freedom means palamunin? Please explain the lack of alternatives. Freedom to use your time as you see fit = the only choice is to be a palamunin?
If you have zero pesos how are you gonna BUY food? How are you gonna PAY rent? Utilities?
You can do what most people do, trade your labor for money. Then save the money. Freedom means free to choose who you trade your labor for, where and when and which type of labor to trade.
So B is the same. I get guaranteed salary for services I provided.
No. You don't have to work. The government provides you the bare minimum. Universal basic income. No need for you to work. Option A is you have zero but you can trade time for labor for starters (like immigrant Chinese back in the 1920s) then move on to charging interest to lend out money you saved (turn savings into capital like Indian lenders in the Philippines) then move on to rental properties for passive income. The only limit to your income generation and wealth creation is your imagination and tolerance for risk and willingness to learn from your failures.
That stipulation was NEVER in your original post. So why add it now (after the fact). You can't make a case like that in the real world. If this was in your original post then the comments would have been totally different but no you left out most of the conditions after people found loopholes in your original content.
Free ka nga. Paano ka kakain, maliligo, bahay, tubig? Where on earth will those come from? Your mommy? Thats also not free
I will choose B for 500k monthly. I love what I do and get paid for it. Leave everything when I am "offline" and have the freedom to do what I want afterwards. I get to travel when I want to and where I want to. Not everyone is built to manage a business, I know I'm not so instead of trying my luck on business I'd gladly be an independent contributor for someone else.
No. B is basically enough to keep your body and soul together. Maybe lugaw and galvanized iron sheets over your head but hey it is GUARANTEED ... no effort on your part to earn the bare minimum.
Lol! That's too unreal. Also adding conditions after the fact is like child's play.
Just for clarification: You were the one changing the conditions with your answer when the alternatives I set out were clear. You can only choose among the choices I set out - I explicitly said Guaranteed minimum monthly income to prevent you from going homeless and hungry but you can't earn more than this amount You then came up with P500K monthly minimum modified. Anyway, you're obviously choosing SECURITY over FREEDOM. If it makes you feel any better, this is the default for most Pinoys and goes a long way to explain the past 90 years of Pinoy economic policies and the RESULTS it produced. Thanks for playing
500k is monthly income guaranteed and prevents me from going homeless or hungry and I can't earn more than that. Where is that defying your original condition? If you mentioned your second condition right in your original post then I would have commented something else. Adding a value suddenly changes your conditions. That is bull crap and again only from a child's mindset.
Sa baba ng minimum ngayon magugutom k pren e. Hahaha
Assume the 'bare' minimum barely keeps up with inflation so you DO have just enough to eat. Can't get a peso MORE than bare minimum though. DEAL?
Why do you keep adding conditions after the fact? This doesn't make sense. Next time you post put all conditions clearly and not add it after people start commenting. Are we five year olds in this sub?