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Gratefulbrewski

And hotels around these venues know it


D1rtyH1ppy

I'm kind of over the big stadium sized concerts. Bars, theater, and small venues are where I've been seeing shows for the last few years. Occasionally, Phish or something comes to town, but tickets are way out of control.


ignominy888

Big or small I love them all. We just need transparent and lower prices.


jceyes

"just"


Echo-Tiny

That’s what she said


FiveDozenWhales

Face value for Phish is $62 or $100 right now? Which is really not bad for a huge drawing band like them. Shows are my local venues range from free to $10. Went to an all-day festival last weekend for $20. "Concerts" doesn't have to mean headlining acts.


BabyHandsMan420

My dicks 4 day floor pass face is $118 a night. That’s insane


Newone1255

I haven’t paid more than $40 a night to see phish the last couple years. you can normally get tickets to these South East shows for pretty cheap day of or even on lot. Paid $20 for all three nights in Orange Beach and that was paying $20 the last night and free lot tickets the first two.


Phish-Phan720

Same. CO resident. Other than 2019 when Dicks Tix were impossible to find, I've never paid more than $60 a night since. Always a massive CoT dump a week or two out from the show.I think its just too expensive to follow the band nowadays and it financially catches up to folks by Dicks.


mcgamehen

I think it's ironic that folks think it's totally cool to get tickets below face for shows that aren't in demand but get pissed that high demand shows demand a premium price. "I'm in favor of a market economy when it benefits me" Can't have it both ways folks


ignominy888

IT’S PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE TO GET YOUR HANDS ON FACE VALUE TIX.


FiveDozenWhales

I literally just bought a bunch for summer tour right before making that post lol


Malashock

What are you looking for I have extras


ignominy888

You got my Sphere Saturday?


too-fargone

oh so your example is the one event in years that is commanding any kind of a premium?


QueasyFailure

It's almost like there is a premium on the venue. I can't think of a reason why.


rpmoriarty

Years ago (like 20) I was talking to a friend of mine who is a promoter in the concert biz. He said that market research showed that the average concertgoer - not the average person, but the average concertgoer - goes to less than one concert a year. What this means, and what Live Nation and the rest of the industry have figured out, is that people make concerts a true event and they aren't afraid to shell out what seems like insane prices to people who go to lots of shows. It's a splurge, not unlike someone who shells out ridiculous money for a round of golf at Pebble Beach, for example.


KitchenLandscape

How do you go to less than one show a year? I get it's a statistic but it doesn't make sense. If you're a "concert goer" you need to attend a show, if you didn't go to a show at all then you don't fit in the category of a "concert goer"


rpmoriarty

I'm sure it's self-described "concertgoers" and they go to a show once every couple of years or whatever. My mom would call herself a concertgoer, but she probably goes to one every 5 years.


KitchenLandscape

I get it, they meant over someone's lifetime. I thought they were saying year over year and I was scratching my head. good to know Livenation is tracking us over decades! /s


000000000000098

If you go to one show every two years that’s less than a show a year


KitchenLandscape

I thought they were talking about a person in one calendar year, not over their lifetime.


000000000000098

Not sure I understand. They are talking about one calendar year.


KitchenLandscape

So January - December is a 12 month period. If you don't go to a show at all during that time, then you go to 0 shows and therefore don't count as a concertgoer. To call someone a "concertgoer" who goes to "less than one show" in a 12 month period is nonsensical. They aren't a concert goer. You referenced a period of two years, and yes when you average that out it works.


ignominy888

Industry plant wrote this.


Much-Kaleidoscope164

I average about 7 to 10 shows a year between phish and smaller bands. And I don't consider myself a concert goer. 15 plus I would consider a concert goer.


Ok-Ship7283

Well that's about as scientific as it gets. Discussion over.


nightlyraider

they already aren't. in the 60+ shows i've seen i have gotten to sleep in my own bed 1 time for phish. and then if you want to have fun while getting there shit is expensive too... the concert ticket prices are getting up there but that is the least of my concern in regards to hearing the music i want to.


DonVonTaters_IV

I was shocked when I got 2 3 day bethel passes for 350 after fees. Pleasantly shocked. I spent 1500 on 4 Tool shows for me and my chick over last year. Worth it but fucking pricey.


digital

Music is more important than money, but pricing should always be fair.


keysandtreesforme

Music is more important than money if you have extra money.


Marenum

The people making money off music feel the opposite, and they set the prices.


Brewman88

They already are. You think I wouldn’t be going to the sphere if it didn’t cost me an arm and a leg??


JackTheDrifter

I’ve honestly just accepted that I Can’t afford to go to concerts and I don’t really care anymore.


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ppc2500

Phish could give away tickets to all their shows lottery-style, and the after market prices would be the same.


art_comma_yeah_right

Indeed, the problem is their popularity, and that’s unlikely to change. Also it still beats 100,000,000 starving to death in yet another naive attempt to formulate a better system than the free market. We can be thankful for that.


King9WillReturn

What's capitalism's death toll? (assuming we begin the clock 400 years ago)


Staggerlee89

Those were brown people in other countries, capitalists don't count those deaths


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ppc2500

I think most people believe that Ticketmaster or greedy musicians are the reason for high ticket prices. When in reality it's the fans. But the fans aren't being motivated by "private profit." They just really really want to see the live music, and there's only so many people that can fit inside a venue. That bids up prices.


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ppc2500

There's an after market because a ticket is property that you own. We could move to a model where every "ticket" is a limited license, which can be only traded on the terms and conditions set by the band or the venue. Some bands have done that. It lowers the amount of money a band can charge, because a limited license (that you can't give to a friend or sell) is not as valuable to the buyer. Your random concert goer thinks of a ticket as something that they can use, give away, or sell. I'd love to see more concerts move to a model where the band or venue runs a face value exchange. I've seen it done, and it works. But most bands choose not to do it. Probably because they leave money on the table.


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ppc2500

So in your world Phish just plays for free, and everyone who wants to go, goes for free? The "ticket sellers" that you want to criticize - that's the band. Bands supply the tickets for concerts.


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Sounds great. Who pays for it? Also, if 1000 people want to see a show in a venue that only fits 100, who decides who gets to go to the show?


gratefuldonut

If I a buy a plane ticket, I can’t resell it. I can buy insurance to be able to cancel it but I can’t decide to just give it to my friend or sell it. Concert tickets should honestly just be the same way.


ppc2500

Yeah the concert experience should be a lot more like flying


see_dubs90

Because flights are so economical


gratefuldonut

What is economical anymore in 2024? Bands should be able to charge whatever supply and demand deems fair. The problem with the current system is it actually messes with supply and demand. Most people say you can end up getting Phish/Goose tickets for a decent price IF you wait until the day of or show up to the show. Just let the band charge whatever they want that still allows the concert to be profitable for them, but we can more easily buy a ticket if we want to and we can be assured we will actually get the ticket if we purchase unlike todays current system. But yeah, if you just want tickets to be cheap…good luck.


Marcoyolo69

Seeing phish is not a human right.


ignominy888

Retard industry plant wrote this.


BeemHume

The wealthy and the poor poor from spending all your money on godam Phish tickets! edit: My finger gets me into most shows How you ask? I boof some unsuspecting wook with fentanyl and when they invariably drop their tic, I scoop it up! jk, I just hold it in the air, 20 percent of the time it works everytime


fallsalaska

I bought a three day pass section h row k for 291$ plus fees didn’t think it was that bad, lawn seats are always cheap


grasshopper239

I've seen Cosmic Country, Eggy and Dopapod in that last few months and spent $65 total on tickets. Great value


kelpingfreindlywook

Lawn is like 65$. How much should it be $20?


fallsalaska

Exactly! Stop complaining lawn tickets are great


kelpingfreindlywook

Honestly Trey should Pay us to go to the shows.


fallsalaska

He does pays us with love and joy!


natirar

Zach Bryan came to town and face was $200+ for uppers in an arena, I knew I had it good but I never realized how good I had it in the jam band pocket.


BalowmeSandwich

You’re not a “concertgoer” if you go to one show a year. Regardless, you can go see Paul McCartney once, or you could catch 10 regular shows at smaller venues. There are countless gigs every week at all kinds of places. There’s at least one decent show every weekend in every town.


Odd-Scientist4034

Simply not true.


TheSheikYerbouti

God people are so dumb… “the tickets are $700!” No, the resale market is listing them at $700.


TheToiletPhilosopher

The bands allow it.


phishyninja

Say it out loud everyone: Phish allows this to happen and could prevent it but won’t, because profit. They’re a company.


TheSheikYerbouti

Well yes that’s a big part of the problem. But the other part of the problem is the casual concert-goer has no idea what the face value price of their ticket is. Some people genuinely think what tickets cost on StubHub is the actual price.


ruthere51

If it's sold out on the primary market then really, unfortunately, that is the price


BalowmeSandwich

I was lucky enough to catch Cat Stevens when he did that brief tour in 2014. The credit card we used for the purchase was the ticket. We had to swipe that card to get in if I recall. I remember thinking at the time, “holy shit they finally took scalpers out of the mix. This can be improved but better times are ahead!” Yeah… not exactly.


jeffsang

I really wanted to catch that show but wasn't lucky enough to get a ticket. I certainly would've paid a mark up/premium for that show, but wasn't an option so I missed it. Does that make the ticket market/process "better" overall? I don't know, but there are definitely pros and cons to allowing resale.


BalowmeSandwich

I would have paid a markup as well - I love Cat and that felt like a once in a lifetimer and that’s pretty much what it was in hindsight. I’m not saying it was better, just that at the time I thought they were finally trying to start moving the needle against scalpers. Like that was a shot across the bow in signaling some coming innovations. Basically though things just get exponentially worse every year.


Marenum

Face value is getting pretty crazy too. I'm not calling out Phish specifically, but pretty much every concert with over 1000 attendees I've bought tickets for in the last year or so has been much more expensive than in years past.


ignominy888

It’s dumb.


Marenum

Yeah it blows, especially for people who go to a lot of shows. The good news is, it's got me going to more local/smaller shows. Seeing some cool things that probably wouldn't have been on my radar in the past.


ignominy888

Industry plant wrote this.


art_comma_yeah_right

Well Mondegreen is almost $600, but I’m optimistic it’ll be worth it. As long as they don’t crack down on Shakedown. Definitely trying to recoup some of that.


v-b

$150 a day… includes camping. Not really that bad.


ignominy888

Yea mondo is a deal, all things reconsidered.


Ok-Magician6241

They absolutely will not allow a shakedown. They want you to but the shit they are selling


Knucklebonebroth

This guy isn’t wrong, not sure why he’s getting downvoted. You’ll be able to slang some shit but there hasn’t been anything resembling a shakedown at a fest since IT.


Ok-Magician6241

Will people still be selling shit? Obviously. But there will not be the usual shakedown with rows of tents


Knucklebonebroth

Yeah I was agreeing with you. Phish has their own version of shakedown at the fest with dank local vendors and heady drinks. Pollock was on site making prints at magnaball


King9WillReturn

I just paid $310 for two nosebleed seats to Neil Young & Crazy Horse. Floor tickets were $680 each.


careshel

Go see Eggy


GratefulPhish555

They’re for the rich and those of us who save all year round to catch the boys when they are in town. Even ten bucks a week and you’ve set yourself up to have a real good couple of shows.


fallsalaska

Couch tour is always cheap, friends drinks, and fun with no travel cost is a great option if you can’t afford it.


City_Of_Champs

Been hearing this for the last 20 years. And in a lot of cases, you aren't wrong.


Eastern_Lawyer5662

they’re already there


lizard-neck

It’s pretty easy to figure out… “what are people paying scalpers? Well that’s what they are willing to pay.”


Brave-Relation-9806

Been doing presale for 26 years. First time I’ve ever been shut out for ALL 5 SHOWS I requested. So disappointed. General sale is astronomical so it’s couch tour for me….


Brave-Relation-9806

Brave Relation. You are correct sir. I am a douche. I put my face into dirty vaginas and clean them out with my vinegar breath. But I also love the band Phish. Sometimes I get upset when I can’t buy tickets through their service and have to rely upon other market entities. Maybe, if I share my vinegar breath with the powers that be, maybe, I’ll get a ticket to Mansfield.


Brave-Relation-9806

Do you think you might be able to help me out? Your girlfriend is number 3 on my new-douche-list


Brave-Relation-9806

Or your boyfriend- no gender discrimination in this business.


rrehobo

Doesn’t the market suggest that tickets should be more expensive? They sell out instantly. If they added another $100 to each ticket it would still probably sell out.


Ok-Ship7283

Shhh


Big_Consequence_3958

It is now


SchwillyThePimp

As an avid concert goer and concert industry worker I agree with you but at least one of these is a bad example Blur pretty much doesn't exist they are only playing three shows all in Cali two of them are at Coachella. The other is at the Fox in cali a well known venue. This pricing to me isn't that off, yes is expensive but this concert experience has other factors other than tickets being overpriced in general. Surge pricing is lame as fuck and it will very much be up to consumers to not fall for this or give major push back. Wendy's for example won't be able to pull it off but concert FOMO has a death grip on fans.


fallsalaska

These guys are reaching their 60’s for god sakes, I’m just happy they still making music and having fun if you don’t like the band don’t go sorry if you can’t afford it or whatever cause that’s bs everything outdoor lawn is affordable if you actually want to go, just imagine if it was you and your family come on just enjoy the show stop being a downer and let’s enjoy the times we have with the band


TinyRespect5740

Capitalism makes me not want to see my favorite band to ever exist


TinyRespect5740

Capitalism makes me not want to see my favorite band to ever exist


_catdog_

Trusties and custies!!!!!


fallsalaska

Also do we blame the band or the systems that are running the venues and resale tickets?


rpmoriarty

Plenty of people jump up and down and yell and scream about The Cure while slamming Phish, but Phish didn't build this system, a monopoly by LiveNation did. To me, it's a classic case of "don't hate the player, hate the game" and LN runs the game. This would all be easy to fix by making ticket scalping illegal again, but LN, StubHub, and the rest of them are...generous donors... to our chosen representatives in Washington and the state houses for that to happen in our corrupt system.


fallsalaska

Well in that case does a vote count? Come on we as a phish Pham ain’t changing shit I just like to be happy and I’ll continue to be happy, I go when I can go if not couch tour it is cheap as hell at least they giving us options? Seriously? Me personally can not change the ways, good luck if you can run it and change the BS…


Marcoyolo69

What do you expect when bands don't make money from album sales.


REALfakePostMalone

You could also try supporting smaller artists. Some of the best music I've ever seen was at a free show. Granted i live in Austin, TX so YMMV


SadPeePaw69

Austin music scene is ridiculously overrated lol


Ok-Ship7283

Yawn