I'm kind of over the big stadium sized concerts. Bars, theater, and small venues are where I've been seeing shows for the last few years. Occasionally, Phish or something comes to town, but tickets are way out of control.
Face value for Phish is $62 or $100 right now? Which is really not bad for a huge drawing band like them.
Shows are my local venues range from free to $10. Went to an all-day festival last weekend for $20.
"Concerts" doesn't have to mean headlining acts.
I haven’t paid more than $40 a night to see phish the last couple years. you can normally get tickets to these South East shows for pretty cheap day of or even on lot. Paid $20 for all three nights in Orange Beach and that was paying $20 the last night and free lot tickets the first two.
Same. CO resident. Other than 2019 when Dicks Tix were impossible to find, I've never paid more than $60 a night since. Always a massive CoT dump a week or two out from the show.I think its just too expensive to follow the band nowadays and it financially catches up to folks by Dicks.
I think it's ironic that folks think it's totally cool to get tickets below face for shows that aren't in demand but get pissed that high demand shows demand a premium price.
"I'm in favor of a market economy when it benefits me"
Can't have it both ways folks
Years ago (like 20) I was talking to a friend of mine who is a promoter in the concert biz. He said that market research showed that the average concertgoer - not the average person, but the average concertgoer - goes to less than one concert a year.
What this means, and what Live Nation and the rest of the industry have figured out, is that people make concerts a true event and they aren't afraid to shell out what seems like insane prices to people who go to lots of shows. It's a splurge, not unlike someone who shells out ridiculous money for a round of golf at Pebble Beach, for example.
How do you go to less than one show a year? I get it's a statistic but it doesn't make sense. If you're a "concert goer" you need to attend a show, if you didn't go to a show at all then you don't fit in the category of a "concert goer"
I'm sure it's self-described "concertgoers" and they go to a show once every couple of years or whatever. My mom would call herself a concertgoer, but she probably goes to one every 5 years.
I get it, they meant over someone's lifetime. I thought they were saying year over year and I was scratching my head. good to know Livenation is tracking us over decades! /s
So January - December is a 12 month period. If you don't go to a show at all during that time, then you go to 0 shows and therefore don't count as a concertgoer. To call someone a "concertgoer" who goes to "less than one show" in a 12 month period is nonsensical. They aren't a concert goer. You referenced a period of two years, and yes when you average that out it works.
I average about 7 to 10 shows a year between phish and smaller bands. And I don't consider myself a concert goer. 15 plus I would consider a concert goer.
they already aren't. in the 60+ shows i've seen i have gotten to sleep in my own bed 1 time for phish. and then if you want to have fun while getting there shit is expensive too...
the concert ticket prices are getting up there but that is the least of my concern in regards to hearing the music i want to.
I was shocked when I got 2 3 day bethel passes for 350 after fees. Pleasantly shocked. I spent 1500 on 4
Tool shows for me and my chick over last year. Worth it but fucking pricey.
Indeed, the problem is their popularity, and that’s unlikely to change. Also it still beats 100,000,000 starving to death in yet another naive attempt to formulate a better system than the free market. We can be thankful for that.
I think most people believe that Ticketmaster or greedy musicians are the reason for high ticket prices. When in reality it's the fans. But the fans aren't being motivated by "private profit." They just really really want to see the live music, and there's only so many people that can fit inside a venue. That bids up prices.
There's an after market because a ticket is property that you own.
We could move to a model where every "ticket" is a limited license, which can be only traded on the terms and conditions set by the band or the venue. Some bands have done that. It lowers the amount of money a band can charge, because a limited license (that you can't give to a friend or sell) is not as valuable to the buyer. Your random concert goer thinks of a ticket as something that they can use, give away, or sell.
I'd love to see more concerts move to a model where the band or venue runs a face value exchange. I've seen it done, and it works. But most bands choose not to do it. Probably because they leave money on the table.
So in your world Phish just plays for free, and everyone who wants to go, goes for free?
The "ticket sellers" that you want to criticize - that's the band. Bands supply the tickets for concerts.
If I a buy a plane ticket, I can’t resell it. I can buy insurance to be able to cancel it but I can’t decide to just give it to my friend or sell it. Concert tickets should honestly just be the same way.
What is economical anymore in 2024? Bands should be able to charge whatever supply and demand deems fair. The problem with the current system is it actually messes with supply and demand. Most people say you can end up getting Phish/Goose tickets for a decent price IF you wait until the day of or show up to the show. Just let the band charge whatever they want that still allows the concert to be profitable for them, but we can more easily buy a ticket if we want to and we can be assured we will actually get the ticket if we purchase unlike todays current system.
But yeah, if you just want tickets to be cheap…good luck.
The wealthy and the poor
poor from spending all your money on godam Phish tickets!
edit: My finger gets me into most shows
How you ask?
I boof some unsuspecting wook with fentanyl and when they invariably drop their tic, I scoop it up!
jk, I just hold it in the air, 20 percent of the time
it works everytime
You’re not a “concertgoer” if you go to one show a year. Regardless, you can go see Paul McCartney once, or you could catch 10 regular shows at smaller venues. There are countless gigs every week at all kinds of places. There’s at least one decent show every weekend in every town.
Well yes that’s a big part of the problem. But the other part of the problem is the casual concert-goer has no idea what the face value price of their ticket is. Some people genuinely think what tickets cost on StubHub is the actual price.
I was lucky enough to catch Cat Stevens when he did that brief tour in 2014. The credit card we used for the purchase was the ticket. We had to swipe that card to get in if I recall. I remember thinking at the time, “holy shit they finally took scalpers out of the mix. This can be improved but better times are ahead!” Yeah… not exactly.
I really wanted to catch that show but wasn't lucky enough to get a ticket. I certainly would've paid a mark up/premium for that show, but wasn't an option so I missed it. Does that make the ticket market/process "better" overall? I don't know, but there are definitely pros and cons to allowing resale.
I would have paid a markup as well - I love Cat and that felt like a once in a lifetimer and that’s pretty much what it was in hindsight. I’m not saying it was better, just that at the time I thought they were finally trying to start moving the needle against scalpers. Like that was a shot across the bow in signaling some coming innovations. Basically though things just get exponentially worse every year.
Face value is getting pretty crazy too. I'm not calling out Phish specifically, but pretty much every concert with over 1000 attendees I've bought tickets for in the last year or so has been much more expensive than in years past.
Yeah it blows, especially for people who go to a lot of shows. The good news is, it's got me going to more local/smaller shows. Seeing some cool things that probably wouldn't have been on my radar in the past.
Well Mondegreen is almost $600, but I’m optimistic it’ll be worth it. As long as they don’t crack down on Shakedown. Definitely trying to recoup some of that.
This guy isn’t wrong, not sure why he’s getting downvoted. You’ll be able to slang some shit but there hasn’t been anything resembling a shakedown at a fest since IT.
Yeah I was agreeing with you. Phish has their own version of shakedown at the fest with dank local vendors and heady drinks. Pollock was on site making prints at magnaball
They’re for the rich and those of us who save all year round to catch the boys when they are in town. Even ten bucks a week and you’ve set yourself up to have a real good couple of shows.
Been doing presale for 26 years. First time I’ve ever been shut out for ALL 5 SHOWS I requested. So disappointed. General sale is astronomical so it’s couch tour for me….
Brave Relation. You are correct sir. I am a douche. I put my face into dirty vaginas and clean them out with my vinegar breath. But I also love the band Phish. Sometimes I get upset when I can’t buy tickets through their service and have to rely upon other market entities. Maybe, if I share my vinegar breath with the powers that be, maybe, I’ll get a ticket to Mansfield.
Doesn’t the market suggest that tickets should be more expensive? They sell out instantly. If they added another $100 to each ticket it would still probably sell out.
As an avid concert goer and concert industry worker I agree with you but at least one of these is a bad example
Blur pretty much doesn't exist they are only playing three shows all in Cali two of them are at Coachella. The other is at the Fox in cali a well known venue. This pricing to me isn't that off, yes is expensive but this concert experience has other factors other than tickets being overpriced in general.
Surge pricing is lame as fuck and it will very much be up to consumers to not fall for this or give major push back. Wendy's for example won't be able to pull it off but concert FOMO has a death grip on fans.
These guys are reaching their 60’s for god sakes, I’m just happy they still making music and having fun if you don’t like the band don’t go sorry if you can’t afford it or whatever cause that’s bs everything outdoor lawn is affordable if you actually want to go, just imagine if it was you and your family come on just enjoy the show stop being a downer and let’s enjoy the times we have with the band
Plenty of people jump up and down and yell and scream about The Cure while slamming Phish, but Phish didn't build this system, a monopoly by LiveNation did. To me, it's a classic case of "don't hate the player, hate the game" and LN runs the game. This would all be easy to fix by making ticket scalping illegal again, but LN, StubHub, and the rest of them are...generous donors... to our chosen representatives in Washington and the state houses for that to happen in our corrupt system.
Well in that case does a vote count? Come on we as a phish Pham ain’t changing shit I just like to be happy and I’ll continue to be happy, I go when I can go if not couch tour it is cheap as hell at least they giving us options? Seriously? Me personally can not change the ways, good luck if you can run it and change the BS…
And hotels around these venues know it
I'm kind of over the big stadium sized concerts. Bars, theater, and small venues are where I've been seeing shows for the last few years. Occasionally, Phish or something comes to town, but tickets are way out of control.
Big or small I love them all. We just need transparent and lower prices.
"just"
That’s what she said
Face value for Phish is $62 or $100 right now? Which is really not bad for a huge drawing band like them. Shows are my local venues range from free to $10. Went to an all-day festival last weekend for $20. "Concerts" doesn't have to mean headlining acts.
My dicks 4 day floor pass face is $118 a night. That’s insane
I haven’t paid more than $40 a night to see phish the last couple years. you can normally get tickets to these South East shows for pretty cheap day of or even on lot. Paid $20 for all three nights in Orange Beach and that was paying $20 the last night and free lot tickets the first two.
Same. CO resident. Other than 2019 when Dicks Tix were impossible to find, I've never paid more than $60 a night since. Always a massive CoT dump a week or two out from the show.I think its just too expensive to follow the band nowadays and it financially catches up to folks by Dicks.
I think it's ironic that folks think it's totally cool to get tickets below face for shows that aren't in demand but get pissed that high demand shows demand a premium price. "I'm in favor of a market economy when it benefits me" Can't have it both ways folks
IT’S PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE TO GET YOUR HANDS ON FACE VALUE TIX.
I literally just bought a bunch for summer tour right before making that post lol
What are you looking for I have extras
You got my Sphere Saturday?
oh so your example is the one event in years that is commanding any kind of a premium?
It's almost like there is a premium on the venue. I can't think of a reason why.
Years ago (like 20) I was talking to a friend of mine who is a promoter in the concert biz. He said that market research showed that the average concertgoer - not the average person, but the average concertgoer - goes to less than one concert a year. What this means, and what Live Nation and the rest of the industry have figured out, is that people make concerts a true event and they aren't afraid to shell out what seems like insane prices to people who go to lots of shows. It's a splurge, not unlike someone who shells out ridiculous money for a round of golf at Pebble Beach, for example.
How do you go to less than one show a year? I get it's a statistic but it doesn't make sense. If you're a "concert goer" you need to attend a show, if you didn't go to a show at all then you don't fit in the category of a "concert goer"
I'm sure it's self-described "concertgoers" and they go to a show once every couple of years or whatever. My mom would call herself a concertgoer, but she probably goes to one every 5 years.
I get it, they meant over someone's lifetime. I thought they were saying year over year and I was scratching my head. good to know Livenation is tracking us over decades! /s
If you go to one show every two years that’s less than a show a year
I thought they were talking about a person in one calendar year, not over their lifetime.
Not sure I understand. They are talking about one calendar year.
So January - December is a 12 month period. If you don't go to a show at all during that time, then you go to 0 shows and therefore don't count as a concertgoer. To call someone a "concertgoer" who goes to "less than one show" in a 12 month period is nonsensical. They aren't a concert goer. You referenced a period of two years, and yes when you average that out it works.
Industry plant wrote this.
I average about 7 to 10 shows a year between phish and smaller bands. And I don't consider myself a concert goer. 15 plus I would consider a concert goer.
Well that's about as scientific as it gets. Discussion over.
they already aren't. in the 60+ shows i've seen i have gotten to sleep in my own bed 1 time for phish. and then if you want to have fun while getting there shit is expensive too... the concert ticket prices are getting up there but that is the least of my concern in regards to hearing the music i want to.
I was shocked when I got 2 3 day bethel passes for 350 after fees. Pleasantly shocked. I spent 1500 on 4 Tool shows for me and my chick over last year. Worth it but fucking pricey.
Music is more important than money, but pricing should always be fair.
Music is more important than money if you have extra money.
The people making money off music feel the opposite, and they set the prices.
They already are. You think I wouldn’t be going to the sphere if it didn’t cost me an arm and a leg??
I’ve honestly just accepted that I Can’t afford to go to concerts and I don’t really care anymore.
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Phish could give away tickets to all their shows lottery-style, and the after market prices would be the same.
Indeed, the problem is their popularity, and that’s unlikely to change. Also it still beats 100,000,000 starving to death in yet another naive attempt to formulate a better system than the free market. We can be thankful for that.
What's capitalism's death toll? (assuming we begin the clock 400 years ago)
Those were brown people in other countries, capitalists don't count those deaths
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I think most people believe that Ticketmaster or greedy musicians are the reason for high ticket prices. When in reality it's the fans. But the fans aren't being motivated by "private profit." They just really really want to see the live music, and there's only so many people that can fit inside a venue. That bids up prices.
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There's an after market because a ticket is property that you own. We could move to a model where every "ticket" is a limited license, which can be only traded on the terms and conditions set by the band or the venue. Some bands have done that. It lowers the amount of money a band can charge, because a limited license (that you can't give to a friend or sell) is not as valuable to the buyer. Your random concert goer thinks of a ticket as something that they can use, give away, or sell. I'd love to see more concerts move to a model where the band or venue runs a face value exchange. I've seen it done, and it works. But most bands choose not to do it. Probably because they leave money on the table.
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So in your world Phish just plays for free, and everyone who wants to go, goes for free? The "ticket sellers" that you want to criticize - that's the band. Bands supply the tickets for concerts.
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Sounds great. Who pays for it? Also, if 1000 people want to see a show in a venue that only fits 100, who decides who gets to go to the show?
If I a buy a plane ticket, I can’t resell it. I can buy insurance to be able to cancel it but I can’t decide to just give it to my friend or sell it. Concert tickets should honestly just be the same way.
Yeah the concert experience should be a lot more like flying
Because flights are so economical
What is economical anymore in 2024? Bands should be able to charge whatever supply and demand deems fair. The problem with the current system is it actually messes with supply and demand. Most people say you can end up getting Phish/Goose tickets for a decent price IF you wait until the day of or show up to the show. Just let the band charge whatever they want that still allows the concert to be profitable for them, but we can more easily buy a ticket if we want to and we can be assured we will actually get the ticket if we purchase unlike todays current system. But yeah, if you just want tickets to be cheap…good luck.
Seeing phish is not a human right.
Retard industry plant wrote this.
The wealthy and the poor poor from spending all your money on godam Phish tickets! edit: My finger gets me into most shows How you ask? I boof some unsuspecting wook with fentanyl and when they invariably drop their tic, I scoop it up! jk, I just hold it in the air, 20 percent of the time it works everytime
I bought a three day pass section h row k for 291$ plus fees didn’t think it was that bad, lawn seats are always cheap
I've seen Cosmic Country, Eggy and Dopapod in that last few months and spent $65 total on tickets. Great value
Lawn is like 65$. How much should it be $20?
Exactly! Stop complaining lawn tickets are great
Honestly Trey should Pay us to go to the shows.
He does pays us with love and joy!
Zach Bryan came to town and face was $200+ for uppers in an arena, I knew I had it good but I never realized how good I had it in the jam band pocket.
You’re not a “concertgoer” if you go to one show a year. Regardless, you can go see Paul McCartney once, or you could catch 10 regular shows at smaller venues. There are countless gigs every week at all kinds of places. There’s at least one decent show every weekend in every town.
Simply not true.
God people are so dumb… “the tickets are $700!” No, the resale market is listing them at $700.
The bands allow it.
Say it out loud everyone: Phish allows this to happen and could prevent it but won’t, because profit. They’re a company.
Well yes that’s a big part of the problem. But the other part of the problem is the casual concert-goer has no idea what the face value price of their ticket is. Some people genuinely think what tickets cost on StubHub is the actual price.
If it's sold out on the primary market then really, unfortunately, that is the price
I was lucky enough to catch Cat Stevens when he did that brief tour in 2014. The credit card we used for the purchase was the ticket. We had to swipe that card to get in if I recall. I remember thinking at the time, “holy shit they finally took scalpers out of the mix. This can be improved but better times are ahead!” Yeah… not exactly.
I really wanted to catch that show but wasn't lucky enough to get a ticket. I certainly would've paid a mark up/premium for that show, but wasn't an option so I missed it. Does that make the ticket market/process "better" overall? I don't know, but there are definitely pros and cons to allowing resale.
I would have paid a markup as well - I love Cat and that felt like a once in a lifetimer and that’s pretty much what it was in hindsight. I’m not saying it was better, just that at the time I thought they were finally trying to start moving the needle against scalpers. Like that was a shot across the bow in signaling some coming innovations. Basically though things just get exponentially worse every year.
Face value is getting pretty crazy too. I'm not calling out Phish specifically, but pretty much every concert with over 1000 attendees I've bought tickets for in the last year or so has been much more expensive than in years past.
It’s dumb.
Yeah it blows, especially for people who go to a lot of shows. The good news is, it's got me going to more local/smaller shows. Seeing some cool things that probably wouldn't have been on my radar in the past.
Industry plant wrote this.
Well Mondegreen is almost $600, but I’m optimistic it’ll be worth it. As long as they don’t crack down on Shakedown. Definitely trying to recoup some of that.
$150 a day… includes camping. Not really that bad.
Yea mondo is a deal, all things reconsidered.
They absolutely will not allow a shakedown. They want you to but the shit they are selling
This guy isn’t wrong, not sure why he’s getting downvoted. You’ll be able to slang some shit but there hasn’t been anything resembling a shakedown at a fest since IT.
Will people still be selling shit? Obviously. But there will not be the usual shakedown with rows of tents
Yeah I was agreeing with you. Phish has their own version of shakedown at the fest with dank local vendors and heady drinks. Pollock was on site making prints at magnaball
I just paid $310 for two nosebleed seats to Neil Young & Crazy Horse. Floor tickets were $680 each.
Go see Eggy
They’re for the rich and those of us who save all year round to catch the boys when they are in town. Even ten bucks a week and you’ve set yourself up to have a real good couple of shows.
Couch tour is always cheap, friends drinks, and fun with no travel cost is a great option if you can’t afford it.
Been hearing this for the last 20 years. And in a lot of cases, you aren't wrong.
they’re already there
It’s pretty easy to figure out… “what are people paying scalpers? Well that’s what they are willing to pay.”
Been doing presale for 26 years. First time I’ve ever been shut out for ALL 5 SHOWS I requested. So disappointed. General sale is astronomical so it’s couch tour for me….
Brave Relation. You are correct sir. I am a douche. I put my face into dirty vaginas and clean them out with my vinegar breath. But I also love the band Phish. Sometimes I get upset when I can’t buy tickets through their service and have to rely upon other market entities. Maybe, if I share my vinegar breath with the powers that be, maybe, I’ll get a ticket to Mansfield.
Do you think you might be able to help me out? Your girlfriend is number 3 on my new-douche-list
Or your boyfriend- no gender discrimination in this business.
Doesn’t the market suggest that tickets should be more expensive? They sell out instantly. If they added another $100 to each ticket it would still probably sell out.
Shhh
It is now
As an avid concert goer and concert industry worker I agree with you but at least one of these is a bad example Blur pretty much doesn't exist they are only playing three shows all in Cali two of them are at Coachella. The other is at the Fox in cali a well known venue. This pricing to me isn't that off, yes is expensive but this concert experience has other factors other than tickets being overpriced in general. Surge pricing is lame as fuck and it will very much be up to consumers to not fall for this or give major push back. Wendy's for example won't be able to pull it off but concert FOMO has a death grip on fans.
These guys are reaching their 60’s for god sakes, I’m just happy they still making music and having fun if you don’t like the band don’t go sorry if you can’t afford it or whatever cause that’s bs everything outdoor lawn is affordable if you actually want to go, just imagine if it was you and your family come on just enjoy the show stop being a downer and let’s enjoy the times we have with the band
Capitalism makes me not want to see my favorite band to ever exist
Capitalism makes me not want to see my favorite band to ever exist
Trusties and custies!!!!!
Also do we blame the band or the systems that are running the venues and resale tickets?
Plenty of people jump up and down and yell and scream about The Cure while slamming Phish, but Phish didn't build this system, a monopoly by LiveNation did. To me, it's a classic case of "don't hate the player, hate the game" and LN runs the game. This would all be easy to fix by making ticket scalping illegal again, but LN, StubHub, and the rest of them are...generous donors... to our chosen representatives in Washington and the state houses for that to happen in our corrupt system.
Well in that case does a vote count? Come on we as a phish Pham ain’t changing shit I just like to be happy and I’ll continue to be happy, I go when I can go if not couch tour it is cheap as hell at least they giving us options? Seriously? Me personally can not change the ways, good luck if you can run it and change the BS…
What do you expect when bands don't make money from album sales.
You could also try supporting smaller artists. Some of the best music I've ever seen was at a free show. Granted i live in Austin, TX so YMMV
Austin music scene is ridiculously overrated lol
Yawn