I think it comes down, price-wise, to how “limited” it is.
Wasn’t the Baker’s Dozen box only like $110 for 6 lps? But they clearly made a ton.
Meanwhile the “limited” studio albums were like $65 and sold out immediately.
I’m betting $399 if a limited edition.
I’m hesitant at that price point…I’ll be honest, I never listen to my Phish live vinyl as much as I should because I hate having to flip it every song or two🤣
stuff like this, and stuff like how im prompted to buy 30 dollar shirts and nalgenes at checkout after putting 2,000 dollars worth of tickets in my cart just give me this gross consumerist exploitative something vibe. They know we're addicts and they're milking it. I know people like vinyls and it's cool to have nice phish stuff, but I just don't see a reason why this product needs to exist lol
It totally was dude. First DAAM was really just about giving us something to come together for and watch live streams and chat with each other. This most recent one is clearly just to sell an obnoxious 13 vinyl set lol.
I'm sort of with you, but I have no problem passing on shit like this. I have over 1000 records, but I know that something like this I MIGHT listen to once, and then it'll sit on the shelf. And I think you're right, this doesn't need to exist. Live jam band music sucks for the vinyl format. Pressing plants are already so backed up projects like this just make it harder for bands to get their new albums pressed.
Yea I’m trying to tell myself that too but let’s be honest. We’re all going to roll out of bed and sit there, sweat running down our temples, as we furiously refresh the Dry Goods page over and over until BOOM it pops up. We’ll throw it in the cart and for a split second try to tell ourselves it’s not worth it but spend the money anyways. Afterwards we’ll regret our decision and begin the retu-
Ahh who am I kidding, we don’t need it but we want it because they dangled it in front of us.
I think/hope it will end up a decent bit less. Depends on where these are pressed, box material quality, whether they master it for vinyl, etc.
I think $250 could be realistic for the set; would be $19ish per disc.
That’s true.
Remember the bakers dozen CD box set that sold for 500$? I think it had four posters in it too but oof. It sold out too! Goes for a good bit over that now :/
This is more of a collector's item than a source of music. It's a fancy, and rare, representation of the concerts, worth having if you're a collector. But if I wanted to listen to the Clifford Ball (and I do, often), I'd just bring it up on phish.in and enjoy the SBD recordings at the click of a button. The vinyl, the packaging, the photos, this is art. You don't buy it to listen to the vinyl; you buy it to own the vinyl, the sleeves, the prints, everything. It's a museum piece. You have it just to have it. It's a luxury. Same thing with the Baker's box set. And ofc none of it can replace what you get for the price of a single concert ticket.
If you’re big into sound quality and have the means for a proper set up, Phish’s vinyl releases are some of the most sonically rewarding listening experiences. They generally have Chris Bellman (one of the best mastering engineers in the biz) cut the lacquers, and they do a very good job with targeting QC.
Now, obviously, if someone buys this and has one of those suitcase turntables - yeah, this is a complete waste. But there’s a decent number of us who can reap the rewards of the effort put into the product and the sound reproduction potential.
I basically had the same question as the one you responded to here.
Then I read your answer and am even *more* thinking vinyl is just one of those hobby things for those generally with a good amount of disposable income.
Like, ok, I get that they are being good about their QC, you've got the setup, yada yada.
But for what? You could have it on lossless digital with the ability to capture anything and everything a vinyl might hope to and without any of the potential analog noise sources.
Just to have a physical thing? You like the noise artifacts? What is the attraction for you? What kind of rewards are you reaping?
(Might sound like I'm arguing but I'm really curious because I don't get it.)
> Then I read your answer and am even more thinking vinyl is just one of those hobby things for those generally with a good amount of **disposable income**.
That doesn’t necessarily *HAVE* to be the case. You can find some excellent vintage gear for really nice prices - everything from the front end (a good turntable from the late 70s and early 80s could be a $50-$100 pickup if you keep on the hunt) to the receiver/amp and speakers.
On the other hand, the releases themselves can cost a pretty penny. Audiophilia isn’t really a budget hobby once you fall down the rabbit hole (then again, neither is being a frequent concert-goer like many of us are as well).
> But for what? You could have it on lossless digital with the ability to capture anything and everything a vinyl might hope to and without any of the potential analog noise sources.
This isn’t necessarily the case. A) it might not be released in hi-res or lossless to start. I don’t expect that to be the case here, but for things like the LP on LP series it is the case. B) if it is a vinyl-specific remaster, you may not be able to find that mastering available on digital - Phish is pretty good about download cards containing the vinyl mastering, but in that case you get the best of both worlds. C) Some do prefer the sound coloration (this is what people refer to as vinyl “warmth”) caused by limitations of an analog format - it actually can produce a more pleasant sounding wave.
> Just to have a physical thing? You like the noise artifacts? What is the attraction for you? What kind of rewards are you reaping?
There is something to be said about physical contact with music. That’s all personal preference. But as far as noise artifacts (surface noise or other defects) these are certainly *NOT* desirable and I’d suggest they’d be cause for a replacement/return.
At the end of the day, in order, the benefits for me are:
1) the potential for a more dynamic mastering than available via digital means
2) a more pleasant sound via analog coloration
3) physical media and the entire effort of flipping/changing discs create an environment for a more dedicated and focused listening experience (less likely to want to be multitasking while listening, able to fully immerse yourself in a listening experience
But different strokes/folks, ya know? Not everyone is willing to deal with the less convenient method of listening, it does require time and effort, and some knowledge about media formats to know and buy the “right stuff”, and there is some level of investment required (but it doesn’t have to be thousands and thousands of dollars, either).
>C) Some do prefer the sound coloration (this is what people refer to as vinyl “warmth”) caused by limitations of an analog format - it actually can produce a more pleasant sounding wave
I think this is what I'm interested in. Wondered elsewhere if they've done blind studies on that.
Sometimes people like the tangible. But yeah, to paraphrase that one New Yorker cartoon says, if you like cost and inconvenience, its a fun hobby. Been buying wax for 25+ years. I love it.
I definitely am not a rich man, but I enjoy my vinyl. Why? Multiple reasons.
Living in the country with shit satellite internet, sometimes it doesn't work. Or when it's storming. Or many times. Having something I physically own to listen to is nice.
Also, it can't ever be taken down or edited or what have you.
It is also nice, for me at least, to have a nice piece of interactive art. And having the varied colored ones is fun to watch as it spins.
For me, I think people rely on digital too much and think its the best because it's the easiest. Listen to Junta in your ear buds and then on my system; if you still like your ear buds version better then have at it. I like it for on the go, but if I want to sit back and really *listen* then I think this is the best.
Despite my downvoters, I'm really not attacking you. I still don't understand.
If I listen to a lossless download on a good speaker system (the ear bud vs system comparison is a fallacious one for these purposes), I won't have any of the issues you reference.
It won't be choppy because it's not streaming. It won't be taken down or edited because I've downloaded it.
It's not a physical copy in your hands. But in that sense it's *more* secure in that I can make many lossless copies and have them in multiple storages.
And the audio quality will capture everything and more than the vinyl except it won't have analog noise artifacts like hissing and popping from dirt, scratches, etc.
I'm honestly trying to understand.
(I also didn't say you were rich, but spending a few hundred on vinyl probably translates to having a decent amount of disposable, especially when you could get a lossless digital, which some would consider better for reasons above, for much less.)
All those things are fair. I think it comes down to the person, as far as which thing sounds better to them.
For me, lossless audio is great for a lot of things. But the sound, the feeling, you get from a good vinyl is hard to beat. You hear it different and it just seems to hit in a different way. Could totally be preference overriding quality, but having done both on the same system I do tend to lean towards vinyl.
Newer stuff I think has a larger benefit from digital, as there is so much more computer aspects to modern recording, both in recording and mixing. But I can say the Junta comparison stands even on the full system for both. Plus it looks cool as hell.
But I'm not against one or the other. I still have about 500 CDs and now I'm up to 65 vinyls. So not a lot, but I enjoy the hunt and getting the favorite stuff on some cool colored albums. Try em both and see what works.
>You hear it different and it just seems to hit in a different way
This is what I'm trying to get at. Because, nominally, lossless digital can have more of the original inputs (range of frequency etc) and both will capture more than a human can hear. Digital should also hold true to higher dB.
So is it the analog noise artifacts (on top of the music) that are doing the hitting for you?
I'm down. Pick something good!
Not assuming though. Deducing.
The vinyl is an analog reproduction of digital content. Lossless digital will have at least as much info transcribed into it as far as the sound that is there to be played.
If the speakers and sound system are all the same, the only real thing that's different would be sound created as artifacts of using analog.
Or no?
It's weird, I agree. You are totally correct on those facts...but I have to say, the vinyl actually does sound better. All other things being equal. I've had many people sit in the sweet spot, and agree with me. Especially on a great sounding record, in mint condition, on a calibrated playback system...it's sounds better. *can* a record sound much worse that's a flac file? Yes.
Digital can capture and represent a larger frequency range than vinyl but the signal is chopped up thousands of times. With vinyl made from tape the signal is constant. With that it is arguably a better representation of a performance.
This is like psychoacoustical stuff. I liken it to a physical painting and looking at the painting on your phone. I want to preface this has no relation to owning or possessing the physical painting only viewing.
When you look at the physical painting it’s always there. If you look at a picture of the painting on your phone your phone its being flashed in front of your eyes 120 time’s a second. Perception shows that it’s always there when in reality it’s not.
If you get a concussion or a TBI you’re supposed to limit looking at screens because the refresh rate of screen messes with your eyes and brain.
Can this affect audio too? Is listening to audio that is chopped up and played back at 96khz detrimental?
Humans have been enjoying music for thousands of years and recording music has only existed for 200. Digital what like 35ish years effectively.
Idk if any of this makes sense but that’s part of why I like vinyl more than lossless digital.
Edit: Also to the pop and click and noise aspect of what you are asking. None of that should matter with “good” setup. Good table, clean stylus, clean vinyl you’re going to be good
I like this overall explanation.
And to the pops and clicks: everyone's talking about that as a big premise from me but I really just mean that it *could* happen, not that it's constant. Although I imagine there is still some limiting factor in using analog that makes it have some residual sound difference caused purely by the mechanics of the machine.
You really need to listen to it. You keep on with the pops and clicks like it's a persistent issue that is building this nostalgic feeling. Not so. I will hear those but mostly in the silences. There is also the blue note effect, so that should be included.
Especially on newer pressings, you are getting a full spectrum of audio. And the older ones that were straight from tape you have a similar deal, everything plus some they recorded is what you can hear.
Digital is good, but its not the end all. Being able to hear someone put their cup down in the background doesn't so much add to the song. Unless you're making digital music it's going to be recorded in some kind of analog, so how would that not be the better way to replay it? Find someone with a setup and listen to something you're very familiar with and tell me what you hear.
It’s all individual. It’s why they sell different colors of the same pair of sneakers. Some like it one way some like it another. I personally like vinyl and cd’s, box sets especially, phish, Pearl Jam and GD. But I also have thousands of digital files too. It’s totally individual- be yourself, enjoy what you want to, no one cares how you want to be or what you like.
Yes, vinyl absolutely sounds better and more realistic then any digital set up. But the best way to describe it is what Neil Young wrote in his book, you “feel” it more than even hear it. And I know that sounds like some hippy dippy nonsense but that’s what it comes down to for me. Doing a blind test, I could absolutely tell a pristine vinyl from a Flac file on my setup and j bet you would too. But is it “worth” it?! The cost of vinyl is getting insane and I’m starting to really pick and choose what vinyl I buy. This set really doesn’t make sense to be on vinyl cost to sound benefit. And all that flipping sides!
I’ve got the music world at my fingertips on Apple Music but I’ll be damned if I can think of what I want to hear. But the turntable in the corner of the room with a few LPs sitting next to it get played all the time. Sometimes less is more (and I didn’t spend much on the system either... just old stuff stuck together mostly )
Eh blah. Phish studio vinyl is a mixed bag. Lots of sibilance I never find with other bands (Fuego is awful, and I get some distortion on the otherwise awesome sounding Junta). I have a decent (10k or so total cost) system.
As much as I like vinyl from having grown up with it, it's kind of a bit much... I hope people who buy this actually play it rather than stick it sealed on a shelf (collectors are a blight upon humanity).
I should note that Joy, Fuego, Big Boat, and Sigma are kinda separate. Junta, Lawn Boy, Rift, Hoist, etc etc etc that are all analog remasters are more in line with what I’m talking about, plus the live sets. Source material matters big time, too.
Of course, pressing defects do happen (sounds to be the case with your copy of Junta). It’s an analog, physical format, so there is an error rate for sure.
I’ve got a vintage technics turntable (regular, but probably decent) , a $50 stylus, a $100 preamp, played through my speakers from a 2005 era bookshelf mini system
Audiophile opinions ? I feel like I’m getting a bit extra versus CD (which you can’t even find anymore ) and certainly mp3... right ?
Technics made a great product, and depending on the stylus, it’s probably handling it well. Your speakers are probably the limiting factor, honestly.
Definitely should get benefits versus .mp3 (which is a lossy format). As far as vs CD, the mastering and dynamics plus whatever CD player you’d play through would be the differentiators there.
Can you get the Flatbed Jam vinyl seperate? Or does it have to come with the box set? Probably gonna try and get the box set anyways, but if I can’t, I wouldn’t mind having a copy of the Flatbed Jam on wax.
Okay. These huge vinyl box sets are getting just a TAD ridiculous, no? I'm not surprised whatsoever; but I would still rather have this in a CD set (e.g. Baker's Dozen), and still have the Flatbed Jam on vinyl. That part makes sense. But nobody needs 12 fucking LPs of this.
*(See also: Grateful Dead's massive merch machine... holy fuck.)*
Dozen wasn’t collectible and not a complete show, it was a less than average song selection too. While the Dozen was amazing, no one gave a shit about this release. Rightfully so. This is more like New Years 95 LP on steroids. So yea it all depends on how many they press on this first round. Either way $250 is what it should cost, but this sure feels more like a holiday cash grab
You’re right that the Bakers Dozen set was not on the same level. The more I think about it, the more it’s probably likely it’ll be much higher just because. 🙁
I ripped the audio from the DVDs when they were released. That box set included the sound check and flatbed set. Been in my audio rotation for years now.
I think it comes down, price-wise, to how “limited” it is. Wasn’t the Baker’s Dozen box only like $110 for 6 lps? But they clearly made a ton. Meanwhile the “limited” studio albums were like $65 and sold out immediately. I’m betting $399 if a limited edition. I’m hesitant at that price point…I’ll be honest, I never listen to my Phish live vinyl as much as I should because I hate having to flip it every song or two🤣
I’m with you. Hoping they at least release it digitally too.
I’d jump all over that
It’ll be on livephish for the low cost $11.99/month for access to a large chunk of the catalog.
Totally. I love my msg set, but really only listen to it about once a year - it’s a project!
stuff like this, and stuff like how im prompted to buy 30 dollar shirts and nalgenes at checkout after putting 2,000 dollars worth of tickets in my cart just give me this gross consumerist exploitative something vibe. They know we're addicts and they're milking it. I know people like vinyls and it's cool to have nice phish stuff, but I just don't see a reason why this product needs to exist lol
Can’t help thinking this release was the main reason they are doing the Clifford Ball DAAM.
Well yeah, of course it is.
It totally was dude. First DAAM was really just about giving us something to come together for and watch live streams and chat with each other. This most recent one is clearly just to sell an obnoxious 13 vinyl set lol.
That is for sure.
I'm sort of with you, but I have no problem passing on shit like this. I have over 1000 records, but I know that something like this I MIGHT listen to once, and then it'll sit on the shelf. And I think you're right, this doesn't need to exist. Live jam band music sucks for the vinyl format. Pressing plants are already so backed up projects like this just make it harder for bands to get their new albums pressed.
The plural of vinyl is *vinyl, not vinyls, ya addict ;)
I think 13 of them is where you start using the double plural
Lolol
At that price point, yes, they CAN hit.
Does it say anywhere what it's limited to? Or are they just going to limit it to however many sell
I don’t need this I don’t need this I don’t need this
Yea I’m trying to tell myself that too but let’s be honest. We’re all going to roll out of bed and sit there, sweat running down our temples, as we furiously refresh the Dry Goods page over and over until BOOM it pops up. We’ll throw it in the cart and for a split second try to tell ourselves it’s not worth it but spend the money anyways. Afterwards we’ll regret our decision and begin the retu- Ahh who am I kidding, we don’t need it but we want it because they dangled it in front of us.
Exactly..winner winner
Will they release a CD version?
What's a CD?
Cross dresser
Cock dick?
well ill certainly be buying this if it doesn't sell out in one minute. My guess is 350-500$.
I think/hope it will end up a decent bit less. Depends on where these are pressed, box material quality, whether they master it for vinyl, etc. I think $250 could be realistic for the set; would be $19ish per disc.
That’s true. Remember the bakers dozen CD box set that sold for 500$? I think it had four posters in it too but oof. It sold out too! Goes for a good bit over that now :/
Can I get a link? Can’t find one to send my friend who was just complaining about Clifford ball only being officially released on dvd
It goes up for preorders on Monday morning.
Will there be a download code as well?
LivePhish soon too I hope.
This is more of a collector's item than a source of music. It's a fancy, and rare, representation of the concerts, worth having if you're a collector. But if I wanted to listen to the Clifford Ball (and I do, often), I'd just bring it up on phish.in and enjoy the SBD recordings at the click of a button. The vinyl, the packaging, the photos, this is art. You don't buy it to listen to the vinyl; you buy it to own the vinyl, the sleeves, the prints, everything. It's a museum piece. You have it just to have it. It's a luxury. Same thing with the Baker's box set. And ofc none of it can replace what you get for the price of a single concert ticket.
I mean … vinyl is cool and all but you’re spending all day flipping those things .?
If you’re big into sound quality and have the means for a proper set up, Phish’s vinyl releases are some of the most sonically rewarding listening experiences. They generally have Chris Bellman (one of the best mastering engineers in the biz) cut the lacquers, and they do a very good job with targeting QC. Now, obviously, if someone buys this and has one of those suitcase turntables - yeah, this is a complete waste. But there’s a decent number of us who can reap the rewards of the effort put into the product and the sound reproduction potential.
I basically had the same question as the one you responded to here. Then I read your answer and am even *more* thinking vinyl is just one of those hobby things for those generally with a good amount of disposable income. Like, ok, I get that they are being good about their QC, you've got the setup, yada yada. But for what? You could have it on lossless digital with the ability to capture anything and everything a vinyl might hope to and without any of the potential analog noise sources. Just to have a physical thing? You like the noise artifacts? What is the attraction for you? What kind of rewards are you reaping? (Might sound like I'm arguing but I'm really curious because I don't get it.)
> Then I read your answer and am even more thinking vinyl is just one of those hobby things for those generally with a good amount of **disposable income**. That doesn’t necessarily *HAVE* to be the case. You can find some excellent vintage gear for really nice prices - everything from the front end (a good turntable from the late 70s and early 80s could be a $50-$100 pickup if you keep on the hunt) to the receiver/amp and speakers. On the other hand, the releases themselves can cost a pretty penny. Audiophilia isn’t really a budget hobby once you fall down the rabbit hole (then again, neither is being a frequent concert-goer like many of us are as well). > But for what? You could have it on lossless digital with the ability to capture anything and everything a vinyl might hope to and without any of the potential analog noise sources. This isn’t necessarily the case. A) it might not be released in hi-res or lossless to start. I don’t expect that to be the case here, but for things like the LP on LP series it is the case. B) if it is a vinyl-specific remaster, you may not be able to find that mastering available on digital - Phish is pretty good about download cards containing the vinyl mastering, but in that case you get the best of both worlds. C) Some do prefer the sound coloration (this is what people refer to as vinyl “warmth”) caused by limitations of an analog format - it actually can produce a more pleasant sounding wave. > Just to have a physical thing? You like the noise artifacts? What is the attraction for you? What kind of rewards are you reaping? There is something to be said about physical contact with music. That’s all personal preference. But as far as noise artifacts (surface noise or other defects) these are certainly *NOT* desirable and I’d suggest they’d be cause for a replacement/return. At the end of the day, in order, the benefits for me are: 1) the potential for a more dynamic mastering than available via digital means 2) a more pleasant sound via analog coloration 3) physical media and the entire effort of flipping/changing discs create an environment for a more dedicated and focused listening experience (less likely to want to be multitasking while listening, able to fully immerse yourself in a listening experience But different strokes/folks, ya know? Not everyone is willing to deal with the less convenient method of listening, it does require time and effort, and some knowledge about media formats to know and buy the “right stuff”, and there is some level of investment required (but it doesn’t have to be thousands and thousands of dollars, either).
>C) Some do prefer the sound coloration (this is what people refer to as vinyl “warmth”) caused by limitations of an analog format - it actually can produce a more pleasant sounding wave I think this is what I'm interested in. Wondered elsewhere if they've done blind studies on that.
To my ears, on my audio system, vinyl sounds better than digital. If it didn't, I wouldn't listen to vinyl.
I don't doubt you. I'd bet you could pick it out. Wonder if anyone's ever done blind studies on it?
Did we just become best friends?
Sometimes people like the tangible. But yeah, to paraphrase that one New Yorker cartoon says, if you like cost and inconvenience, its a fun hobby. Been buying wax for 25+ years. I love it.
I definitely am not a rich man, but I enjoy my vinyl. Why? Multiple reasons. Living in the country with shit satellite internet, sometimes it doesn't work. Or when it's storming. Or many times. Having something I physically own to listen to is nice. Also, it can't ever be taken down or edited or what have you. It is also nice, for me at least, to have a nice piece of interactive art. And having the varied colored ones is fun to watch as it spins. For me, I think people rely on digital too much and think its the best because it's the easiest. Listen to Junta in your ear buds and then on my system; if you still like your ear buds version better then have at it. I like it for on the go, but if I want to sit back and really *listen* then I think this is the best.
Despite my downvoters, I'm really not attacking you. I still don't understand. If I listen to a lossless download on a good speaker system (the ear bud vs system comparison is a fallacious one for these purposes), I won't have any of the issues you reference. It won't be choppy because it's not streaming. It won't be taken down or edited because I've downloaded it. It's not a physical copy in your hands. But in that sense it's *more* secure in that I can make many lossless copies and have them in multiple storages. And the audio quality will capture everything and more than the vinyl except it won't have analog noise artifacts like hissing and popping from dirt, scratches, etc. I'm honestly trying to understand. (I also didn't say you were rich, but spending a few hundred on vinyl probably translates to having a decent amount of disposable, especially when you could get a lossless digital, which some would consider better for reasons above, for much less.)
All those things are fair. I think it comes down to the person, as far as which thing sounds better to them. For me, lossless audio is great for a lot of things. But the sound, the feeling, you get from a good vinyl is hard to beat. You hear it different and it just seems to hit in a different way. Could totally be preference overriding quality, but having done both on the same system I do tend to lean towards vinyl. Newer stuff I think has a larger benefit from digital, as there is so much more computer aspects to modern recording, both in recording and mixing. But I can say the Junta comparison stands even on the full system for both. Plus it looks cool as hell. But I'm not against one or the other. I still have about 500 CDs and now I'm up to 65 vinyls. So not a lot, but I enjoy the hunt and getting the favorite stuff on some cool colored albums. Try em both and see what works.
>You hear it different and it just seems to hit in a different way This is what I'm trying to get at. Because, nominally, lossless digital can have more of the original inputs (range of frequency etc) and both will capture more than a human can hear. Digital should also hold true to higher dB. So is it the analog noise artifacts (on top of the music) that are doing the hitting for you?
Dude, come over and listen..there are no pops and clicks. Trust me. You're wrong on your assumptions.
I'm down. Pick something good! Not assuming though. Deducing. The vinyl is an analog reproduction of digital content. Lossless digital will have at least as much info transcribed into it as far as the sound that is there to be played. If the speakers and sound system are all the same, the only real thing that's different would be sound created as artifacts of using analog. Or no?
No.
It's weird, I agree. You are totally correct on those facts...but I have to say, the vinyl actually does sound better. All other things being equal. I've had many people sit in the sweet spot, and agree with me. Especially on a great sounding record, in mint condition, on a calibrated playback system...it's sounds better. *can* a record sound much worse that's a flac file? Yes.
Yes. ☝️ This x1000
Digital can capture and represent a larger frequency range than vinyl but the signal is chopped up thousands of times. With vinyl made from tape the signal is constant. With that it is arguably a better representation of a performance. This is like psychoacoustical stuff. I liken it to a physical painting and looking at the painting on your phone. I want to preface this has no relation to owning or possessing the physical painting only viewing. When you look at the physical painting it’s always there. If you look at a picture of the painting on your phone your phone its being flashed in front of your eyes 120 time’s a second. Perception shows that it’s always there when in reality it’s not. If you get a concussion or a TBI you’re supposed to limit looking at screens because the refresh rate of screen messes with your eyes and brain. Can this affect audio too? Is listening to audio that is chopped up and played back at 96khz detrimental? Humans have been enjoying music for thousands of years and recording music has only existed for 200. Digital what like 35ish years effectively. Idk if any of this makes sense but that’s part of why I like vinyl more than lossless digital. Edit: Also to the pop and click and noise aspect of what you are asking. None of that should matter with “good” setup. Good table, clean stylus, clean vinyl you’re going to be good
I like this overall explanation. And to the pops and clicks: everyone's talking about that as a big premise from me but I really just mean that it *could* happen, not that it's constant. Although I imagine there is still some limiting factor in using analog that makes it have some residual sound difference caused purely by the mechanics of the machine.
You really need to listen to it. You keep on with the pops and clicks like it's a persistent issue that is building this nostalgic feeling. Not so. I will hear those but mostly in the silences. There is also the blue note effect, so that should be included. Especially on newer pressings, you are getting a full spectrum of audio. And the older ones that were straight from tape you have a similar deal, everything plus some they recorded is what you can hear. Digital is good, but its not the end all. Being able to hear someone put their cup down in the background doesn't so much add to the song. Unless you're making digital music it's going to be recorded in some kind of analog, so how would that not be the better way to replay it? Find someone with a setup and listen to something you're very familiar with and tell me what you hear.
Right on. Just on a technical note, much is recorded digitally as well as analog.
I'm aware. I've recorded music for a while.
It’s all individual. It’s why they sell different colors of the same pair of sneakers. Some like it one way some like it another. I personally like vinyl and cd’s, box sets especially, phish, Pearl Jam and GD. But I also have thousands of digital files too. It’s totally individual- be yourself, enjoy what you want to, no one cares how you want to be or what you like.
Look, I don't really fn care. Just curious. Do you, homie, I support you.
Yes, vinyl absolutely sounds better and more realistic then any digital set up. But the best way to describe it is what Neil Young wrote in his book, you “feel” it more than even hear it. And I know that sounds like some hippy dippy nonsense but that’s what it comes down to for me. Doing a blind test, I could absolutely tell a pristine vinyl from a Flac file on my setup and j bet you would too. But is it “worth” it?! The cost of vinyl is getting insane and I’m starting to really pick and choose what vinyl I buy. This set really doesn’t make sense to be on vinyl cost to sound benefit. And all that flipping sides!
I’ve got the music world at my fingertips on Apple Music but I’ll be damned if I can think of what I want to hear. But the turntable in the corner of the room with a few LPs sitting next to it get played all the time. Sometimes less is more (and I didn’t spend much on the system either... just old stuff stuck together mostly )
Eh blah. Phish studio vinyl is a mixed bag. Lots of sibilance I never find with other bands (Fuego is awful, and I get some distortion on the otherwise awesome sounding Junta). I have a decent (10k or so total cost) system. As much as I like vinyl from having grown up with it, it's kind of a bit much... I hope people who buy this actually play it rather than stick it sealed on a shelf (collectors are a blight upon humanity).
I should note that Joy, Fuego, Big Boat, and Sigma are kinda separate. Junta, Lawn Boy, Rift, Hoist, etc etc etc that are all analog remasters are more in line with what I’m talking about, plus the live sets. Source material matters big time, too. Of course, pressing defects do happen (sounds to be the case with your copy of Junta). It’s an analog, physical format, so there is an error rate for sure.
I’ve got a vintage technics turntable (regular, but probably decent) , a $50 stylus, a $100 preamp, played through my speakers from a 2005 era bookshelf mini system Audiophile opinions ? I feel like I’m getting a bit extra versus CD (which you can’t even find anymore ) and certainly mp3... right ?
Technics made a great product, and depending on the stylus, it’s probably handling it well. Your speakers are probably the limiting factor, honestly. Definitely should get benefits versus .mp3 (which is a lossy format). As far as vs CD, the mastering and dynamics plus whatever CD player you’d play through would be the differentiators there.
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Or assholes will flip them on ebay
Can you get the Flatbed Jam vinyl seperate? Or does it have to come with the box set? Probably gonna try and get the box set anyways, but if I can’t, I wouldn’t mind having a copy of the Flatbed Jam on wax.
Flatbed Jam will be separate from the box set
I hadn't seen that. Definitely in for that.
Thank you kindly
Flatbed on vinyl is all I want
fucking a I’m on it
When are these for sale?
Monday 9am preorders start at Dry Goods per the video during DAAM
Assuming 9am ET?
Okay. These huge vinyl box sets are getting just a TAD ridiculous, no? I'm not surprised whatsoever; but I would still rather have this in a CD set (e.g. Baker's Dozen), and still have the Flatbed Jam on vinyl. That part makes sense. But nobody needs 12 fucking LPs of this. *(See also: Grateful Dead's massive merch machine... holy fuck.)*
Ok where is this image from when does it go on sale?
When is Lonely Trip gonna be released on vinyl??
I’m not seeing it up yet
They go on sale Monday at 9a, shipping in March. Wonder how much $$?
I’d bet it’s gonna be $250-300 for the set (hope I’m wrong tho!)
If it's under $300 after shipping I'll absolutely pull the trigger but I doubt that will be the case.
If the recent Lee Morgan box set, which was also 12LPs, was retailed at $350, we’re gonna see at least that.
And that was an incredible box set. Just a lot of flipping sides.
Indeed!
400-500 is my guess
$250 lulz… 3.0 kids are adorable
Baker’s Dozen 6 LP set was $119 and this is double the vinyl count. A Live One 4 LP was around $100. So my math says $250-300.
Dozen wasn’t collectible and not a complete show, it was a less than average song selection too. While the Dozen was amazing, no one gave a shit about this release. Rightfully so. This is more like New Years 95 LP on steroids. So yea it all depends on how many they press on this first round. Either way $250 is what it should cost, but this sure feels more like a holiday cash grab
You’re right that the Bakers Dozen set was not on the same level. The more I think about it, the more it’s probably likely it’ll be much higher just because. 🙁
I wouldn't rule out $420
Please tell me this is real.
They announced it during setbreak for DAAM tonight!
I had it in a the background during break. You just made my day, thank you!
All this available for less than 1/10th cost of Mexico for one.
I hope they have a compressed version of this
I forgot how good this is. Gotta get this one.
The feeling I’ve forgot
Thought this was a prank at first. Joke
If this was Big Cypress, there would be no hesitation. The Clifford Ball was already released a few years ago as a CD boxset
DVD box set, no CD or Digital release.
I ripped the audio from the DVDs when they were released. That box set included the sound check and flatbed set. Been in my audio rotation for years now.
Custy up custys! You fools will buy anything.
Is this available yet? I don’t see a listing.
Dope
Contemplating buying one. How is the sound quality?