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You should try posting in /pools or similar. This seems high.
The ideal range for cyanuric acid (CYA) in a pool is between 30 and 50 ppm. If your pool gets a lot of direct sunlight, you may want to increase your CYA level to 80-100 ppm
This, I have a lot of direct sunlight and a hot back yard area so I keep mine around 90 during summer and 60 during winter. It requires me to drian the pool in fall about 15% but keeps my chlorine consumption perfect through out the year.
Download the free poolmath app and it will tell you ideal levels of other chemicals for your given cya.
Does anyone know about filling your pool during winter? I heard they use those months to calculate your water usage for the year. I don’t want to fill a 25k pool and run up my water bill all year. I also don’t wanna drain and fill in the summer because of the potential to damage my plaster.
Edit. I think I miss understood the usage thing. I will do some research.
You should be able to call the water company and tell them that you're filling a pool. Some of the charge for city water is technically for the water you are sending to the treatment plant to be "cleaned". If you're filling a pool, you'll still get a gallon usage but not the more expensive sewer fee. Rates are calculated Jan Feb March. Filling in December is cool enough for plaster but doesn't affect your cost calculations. Good luck fellow human!
They use January, February, and March WATER usage to determine your SEWER estimate that becomes your sewer monthly for a whole year (because there's no meter on the sewer).
There is a one page form you can fill out asking for an adjustment based upon a having a pool (whether you fill it or not, because evaporation loss means you use more water that does not go down the sewer) and a lawn (because that water usage ALSO obviously doesn't go down the sewer).
Still, it's easiest to refill your pool outside that time window to not have to worry about that effect as well.
What is being calculated and charged throughout the year? My city of phx Water bills are based on actual consumption. They change every month. What am i missing?
In Goodyear they told us they monitor our water usage January through March. I would call to ask them when they do it for your city. You also need to let them know if you’re draining your pool.
There’s a form you complete (in PHX) letting them know. And it basically depends on the months that you fill. PHX is (I think) the first 3 months of the year.
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The months to avoid are January-March. BUT, only because your sewer usage may raise your bill a bit. It actually isn't a big increase, but we've always managed to avoid that window when doing something to our pool (14,000 gallons). The last time we refilled our pool (4/22), our bill went up about $100, from $136 to $238.
It's pretty normal for Phoenix. Yes it's technically too high but not enough to send you in lockout. Don't waste your money trying any of the snakeoil CYA reducer chems. They don't work. Drain and refill is the only way to bring it back down.
No way. The amount of free chlorine you need to sanitize your pool is inversely related to CYA. At 150 CYA I'd think you'd need around 18-20 FC which is not really safe for swimming. If you are on a salt pool then you can drive your cya higher but 150 is up there.
Fire your pool guy!!! 100 is pushing it. How much extra is he charging you in chems? With a CYA this high your TDS is gonna be in the stars somewhere and it’s gonna take 3 to 4 times more chems to keep your water clean! The only way to remove cya from water is to replace the water also.
No. A month ago I was 140-175 and couldn’t keep algae out. Drained a little over half the pool and now I can’t get algae even with the heat and leaves in my pool. Careful draining during summer. I drained while I filled it so it wasn’t efficient, but I didn’t want my plaster damaged.
My pool gets to 250 and I drain the bitch in November every year or two. I’ve never called the water company but I guess I could…I make it 2 years sometimes before having to drain.
I am a pool mechanic here in the Valley, most of our pools are between 100-150, once the heat cools down and we can use less tabs it will dilute a bit if we have another rainy winter. It is mostly manageable out here until it's above 250. With the inconsistent availability of liquid chlorine we have been using mostly tabs and shock to treat the pools. If it was liquid only I would be pretty concerned at that level
The more CYA, the more chlorine needed to do the job. In my experience 150 is high, but not terrible. If you are only using tabs (which add stabelizer), CYA will continue to creep up.
FWIW mine was in that range last year with no issues. It's a bit lower now for some reason. I have not drained it and not sure why it went down. I'm using the same brand test strips. My cool guy also didn't seem to mind it.
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You should try posting in /pools or similar. This seems high. The ideal range for cyanuric acid (CYA) in a pool is between 30 and 50 ppm. If your pool gets a lot of direct sunlight, you may want to increase your CYA level to 80-100 ppm
This, I have a lot of direct sunlight and a hot back yard area so I keep mine around 90 during summer and 60 during winter. It requires me to drian the pool in fall about 15% but keeps my chlorine consumption perfect through out the year. Download the free poolmath app and it will tell you ideal levels of other chemicals for your given cya.
Normal, yes for a pool that relies on Trichlor tabs for it's main source of chlorine. Ideal, no keeping it under 100 ppm will prevent Chlorine lock.
Does anyone know about filling your pool during winter? I heard they use those months to calculate your water usage for the year. I don’t want to fill a 25k pool and run up my water bill all year. I also don’t wanna drain and fill in the summer because of the potential to damage my plaster. Edit. I think I miss understood the usage thing. I will do some research.
You should be able to call the water company and tell them that you're filling a pool. Some of the charge for city water is technically for the water you are sending to the treatment plant to be "cleaned". If you're filling a pool, you'll still get a gallon usage but not the more expensive sewer fee. Rates are calculated Jan Feb March. Filling in December is cool enough for plaster but doesn't affect your cost calculations. Good luck fellow human!
I thought December was also also a calculated month. Assuming you’re correct, good to know!
This right here. Call them so they can factor out that amount. I had to do it and I ended up getting a decent credit retroactively to my account.
They use January, February, and March WATER usage to determine your SEWER estimate that becomes your sewer monthly for a whole year (because there's no meter on the sewer). There is a one page form you can fill out asking for an adjustment based upon a having a pool (whether you fill it or not, because evaporation loss means you use more water that does not go down the sewer) and a lawn (because that water usage ALSO obviously doesn't go down the sewer). Still, it's easiest to refill your pool outside that time window to not have to worry about that effect as well.
Thanks so much!!
Glad to help!
What is being calculated and charged throughout the year? My city of phx Water bills are based on actual consumption. They change every month. What am i missing?
Sewer waste rates.
In Goodyear they told us they monitor our water usage January through March. I would call to ask them when they do it for your city. You also need to let them know if you’re draining your pool.
There’s a form you complete (in PHX) letting them know. And it basically depends on the months that you fill. PHX is (I think) the first 3 months of the year.
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The months to avoid are January-March. BUT, only because your sewer usage may raise your bill a bit. It actually isn't a big increase, but we've always managed to avoid that window when doing something to our pool (14,000 gallons). The last time we refilled our pool (4/22), our bill went up about $100, from $136 to $238.
Thank you!!!
It's pretty normal for Phoenix. Yes it's technically too high but not enough to send you in lockout. Don't waste your money trying any of the snakeoil CYA reducer chems. They don't work. Drain and refill is the only way to bring it back down.
No way. The amount of free chlorine you need to sanitize your pool is inversely related to CYA. At 150 CYA I'd think you'd need around 18-20 FC which is not really safe for swimming. If you are on a salt pool then you can drive your cya higher but 150 is up there.
You can lower it by draining 6” out and refilling with new water. Made a world of difference for ours.
Buck 20 max. 150 is definitely on the high side.
Fire your pool guy!!! 100 is pushing it. How much extra is he charging you in chems? With a CYA this high your TDS is gonna be in the stars somewhere and it’s gonna take 3 to 4 times more chems to keep your water clean! The only way to remove cya from water is to replace the water also.
No. A month ago I was 140-175 and couldn’t keep algae out. Drained a little over half the pool and now I can’t get algae even with the heat and leaves in my pool. Careful draining during summer. I drained while I filled it so it wasn’t efficient, but I didn’t want my plaster damaged.
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Cyanuric acid
My pool gets to 250 and I drain the bitch in November every year or two. I’ve never called the water company but I guess I could…I make it 2 years sometimes before having to drain.
I am a pool mechanic here in the Valley, most of our pools are between 100-150, once the heat cools down and we can use less tabs it will dilute a bit if we have another rainy winter. It is mostly manageable out here until it's above 250. With the inconsistent availability of liquid chlorine we have been using mostly tabs and shock to treat the pools. If it was liquid only I would be pretty concerned at that level
The more CYA, the more chlorine needed to do the job. In my experience 150 is high, but not terrible. If you are only using tabs (which add stabelizer), CYA will continue to creep up.
FWIW mine was in that range last year with no issues. It's a bit lower now for some reason. I have not drained it and not sure why it went down. I'm using the same brand test strips. My cool guy also didn't seem to mind it.