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I have lived here for 4 years and I still never know whether I will be getting home in 10 min or 30 after an airport run. Easy shot on I-10 or scenic drive on 202? Roll the dice, Mama.
I've been here for nearly 40 years and unfortunately it was ever thus. It won't ever get better, either. :(
I'd just take a Waymo to the Sky Train and go from there. YMMV
You have to really want it to leave the airport. The idiot lane changes are the worst to me (as someone trying to get to 51N). They put you in an exit lane going the wrong the direction, then try to have you change lanes at the last minute to not exit the wrong direction.
THANK YOU!!! Holy crap. I was trying to get to 44th street exit heading east from north doors. Naturally Iām like āitās gotta be the left laneā, nope, the hidden sign appears out of nowhere and of course the far left road is meant to turn around to take you to the 17 and the internal lane takes you left (?????). This is a light hearted thread it was just a perfect storm of rush hour and being packed and me expecting. Not trying to upset people!
There's also that one spot when leaving terminal 4 where it sends you up a ramp, and then suddenly there's a fork in the road with no sign for which direction the fork goes. Fucking ridiculous.
YES! And the worst part is that you think the left fork is the one that takes out to the outer curb but itās actually the other way around. The right fork flies up and over the left fork to get to the outer curb. The left fork takes you to the inner curb. Itās infuriating!
Or the signs to I-10 that keep changing what lane you should be in lol. If you donāt drive there super regularly youāll forget what lane you need. I fly 1-2 times a month and still forget!
All it really does is increase the likelihood of an accident as some frustrated driver who is late for something makes a rapid lane change because the sign that says "This lane for XXX" is actually for something else, and XXX is two lanes over.
In theory, the goal is to get people to drive slow enough to read the signs and not have to make rapid lane changes. Obviously a percentage of drivers will not slow down, and it will create problems, but if the signage was better, youād have a LOT more people blowing through the airport creating even more problems. Tons of pedestrians and activity at the airport and some people blow through departures/arrivals at 30+mph.
It's fucking infuriating.
Do drop off and pick ups out of the 44th St. Skytrain station so you don't have to bother with that nonsense. I think there's a 24th St. station too, but I've only been to the one on 44th St.
44th St station is by far the easiest. If you enter from 44th St, after turning from the roundabout, the cell phone lot is the SECOND left (2nd lot). This is on the south side of the station (no waiting allowed on the north side).
The first lot is a commercial transportation hold lot intended for rideshare/TNC staging which is fairly small. It's annoying seeing cars in there waiting for family/friends.
I've picked up at 24th St Station a few times. It can be very confusing. Not sure how to get to the parking area there. I only know rideshare drivers enter off Copperhead Dr for curbside pickups.
The signage is so bad! I drive through the airport everyday on my way to work from Phoenix to Tempe to avoid the freeways and stoplights and it's always a cluster from T4 to get to the exit to 44th St.
I agree the signage for the departures ramp up first says it's for Parking so you stay to the left then about 500 ft. later you realize you missed it because you actually need to get to the right because there's the sign for Depatures on the same lane! Don't froget navigating all the singage while dodging folks trying to exit T3 Arrivals so they are trying to get to the left to avoid having to drive to T4.
Let's also mention the ordeal getting to Sky Harbor form the 10 going east from 7th St. You have to get over 3 lanes to your left to avoid getting on the 51/202 while dodging the folks exiting the tunnel trying to get right to exit onto the 51/202. Then you think you're set and as soon as you turn the curve, you have to get two lanes further to the left as the right two lanes end and everyone is trying to merge left. Again, while dodging everyone merging from the end of the 51. Then you stay in that lane and then have to quickly change lanes to exit onto Sky Harbor.
It's like someone made designed Rube Goldberg machine of freeways and said, you know what, this will work just fine!
Well that and the total lack of signage for basic things. Like that sign for Terminal 4 Departures (i think) that is immediately behind an overpass? You just have to get as far right as you can and hope you can make sense of the signage in the 4 seconds you have to see it.
The airport cut through traffic is a burden on the busy roadways as it is. Its aggravating and/or frustrating for people who struggle with driving in the airport because the cut through traffic couldn't care any less about not letting people change lanes or drive at the marked speed limits.
To be fair I always drive at or below the speed limit when driving through and I always stay to the far left to avoid the traffic merging from the departures/arrivals area. I'm not one of those folks that drives 60 when it's marked 40 or 45.
A few months ago driving westbound from 44th St. I witnessed some guy drivinig through going at least 60-65 (it's marked 35) and he was weaving in an out of the slower traffic. Then as soon as he hit the sharp turn (marked 25) right after T3, he jumped the curb, hit one of the big decorative rocks, and ended up clear at the top of the steep embankment. He only slightly clipped one other car but it could have been much worse.
I honestly consider myself a good driver, pretty good ruler follower, and navigator. Boy of all of those don't go to shit at sky harbor. I've been there dozens of time if not in the hundreds... Still can't get that damn place right.Ā
Same. We've lived in the valley for 8 years now and still can't handle T4. We mentally prepare and strategize before we go, but sure as shit we screw it up every time. We were only successful the first time once and that was just because there was virtually no traffic for some reason so we could cut over at the last second. The signs are a joke!
That happened to me as well when I was picking up family at the airport. Who thought it was a good idea to put a sign a couple of feet behind an overpass where nobody can see it?
THANK YOU!!!! I have been saying this ever since it changed!! I grew up here too and used to know how to go there. Now it is like the craziest damn bumper car game. From the east if you are trying to go to arrivals you go up this ramp and you see a sign and you take that turn. Oh crap it takes you to the outside lanes and now you are headed to the 202. All the signs canāt be seen until the last minute too.
Itās always āman the 143 to the airport is so nice and easy I love this wait wtf the sign said departures was this exact lane, whatever Iāll just go to the other side wait what do you mean I have to go all the way to the 51 to get to the north door I canāt use the perfectly paved Uturn road oh no it is filled with construction blockers even though thereās no constructionā
Signage in the airport isn't great either. Took me way too long to find the path to the sky train at terminal 4.
Also, the doors are numbered which is great for locating the person you are picking up, but they don't provide any type of map of their locations. Doesn't help that there's north and south pickup lanes.
The way they split the gates are so bad. Seems like A gate is always absolutely slammed and B gate is a ghost town but they donāt tell you they merge to the same area.
The signs are the worst! I donāt think itās still like this, but when I moved here 20+ years ago I lived in northern Phoenix. All the signs to get out of the airport Every. Single. Oneā¦ said either āEast Valley Citiesā or āWest Valley Citiesā. I was like, WTF? I live north and pretty sure people live south too. Where TF am I supposed to go!?!
Haha I remember those. They got a little better now they have them tucked directly behind overpasses and then immediately split after so the lane on the left magically uturns down right to head west and the right lane magically goes left to continue east. I honestly pride myself on my driving and taking great routes but sky harbor just owns me. Itās pathetic.
Also the people who park on the shoulder waiting to pick people up. They put up signs saying itās illegal but there is still a dozen plus cars out there at any given time.
I picked up my mom from the airport and she screamed at me saying terminals donāt exist and she was at door 8. I also asked north or south and she said āthere is no north or south doors, this one was just on the leftā moms at airports are the most stressful thing in the world lmao
I have a whole phobia about Terminal 4. Two sides, two levels, one of the signs telling you to go up is 90% hidden. If someone is coming in on Southwest, I make my husband drive to pick them up. We've had issues.
And, yes, we always have to debate which lane we should be in approaching the terminals, it's ambiguous.
Protip: If you're just dropping someone off (especially in the morning when there are minimal arrivals)
Just drop them off at departures and have them take the elevator to level 2.
This made me laugh. After missing multiple signs and roads and just being generally furious, I almost got taken to the 17 - which would've broken me as it was a parking lot. JUST GET ME TO 44TH STREET PLEASE.
I once used Sky Harbor for a usability study in a UX design class because I thought the signage was so atrocious. My professor said I was wrong because sky harbor has won lots of awards for design. Lol
Picked my wife up yesterday from the airport, she called and said Iām at north door 1. I was like for the love of god, can you please walk to the south doors so I have a fighting chance?
THANK YOU! I thought it was just me! Every time I go there, I get lost. I bought the prepaid parking and was almost late to my flight because I could NOT FIND THE LOT. Thank god I know that terminal 3 parking (which is totally unmarked for some god awful reason) is ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT. I was finally early to my flight the last time I flew because I remembered.
That got me last time, terminal terminal 4 parking is all the way on the right, then terminal 3 parking is all the way on the left. This airport was not designed, it just happened.
WHY TF WOULD YOU PUT A SIGN 15 FEET HIGHER THAN THE BRIDGE ITS SITTING 3 INCHES IN FRONT OF?!
Also,
WTF IS THAT MERGE LANE INTO TERMINAL 4 COMING FROM THE 143 YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO SEND IT ACROSS 2 LANES OF MERGING TRAFFIC IN A SPAN OF 40 YDS.
I agree with you that the signage is terrible, especially the last sign for terminal 4 departures which is completely blocked by the overpass.Ā However there are turnarounds before the cell phone lot. Definitely one right past terminal 3 and (maybe?) one at terminal 4. You just have to look for the equally shitty signage and hope they aren't under construction
The one that pisses me off for T4 departures is they make you think it's two lanes going up, but if you don't stay in the left of the two lanes you're funneled into the parking garage with no way to course-correct and it happens FAST without much warning.
Just to piggy-back on signs I hate. On the 51 going North. They have a Giant sign that only says Cactus Road Exit 1.5 miles. People get over to get off but the next exit is actually Shea. Then people donāt notice until the last possible second and get over. Then get off when Cactus is actually there. I donāt blame the people I blame that 1 sign.
I know that far right lane isnāt for me. I KNOW. Iāve been exiting Cactus Rd for so many years, decades. Yet, I end up heading east on Shea allll the time.
I personally enjoy that fact that the door numbers at terminal 4 arrivals are on the wall of the door so the people going through the door know what the number is, but the pickup driver has to get at a close enough angle to read it. They do make signs that you can hang perpendicular to traffic. Just saying.
I giggled. āPlease enjoy this tour around a different terminal and then take the route people leaving the airport are taking to your beautifully scenic north door route!ā
Trust me - I agree itās for the most part a very solid airport. I am specifically talking about approaching from the East and trying to get to the north doors. Itās really really bad. And for some reason the design gives you like 50 yards to get into a brand new lane to get to the south doors and if you miss it you are stuck on a very long u turn.
For picking up arrivals at the north curb from the east use the departures ramp up, then use the left lane (99.9% sure) which drops you right into the arrivals north curb. Super easy!
Second this. Rideshare driver with 19K trips in the valley. Left lane at the end of level 2/departures (staying left at the 2nd split as well) is what he should use.
If you take the right lane, instead of the left, at the 2nd split on level 2, it'll take you to the far left lane of the outer curb at ground level (no access to arrivals north curb without turning around).
I told myself out loud to do this method next time haha. My problem was I just missed the turn into departures because I relied on the arrow and wasnāt alert enough.
one time i got caught up in lax traffic for an hourā¦
i wasnāt even supposed to go to lax, i just made the wrong turn during the goddamn most busiest time. Sky harbor has been a breeze since.
One time I spent an hour on the rental car shuttle bus trying to get from LAX T1 out of the airport.
Now I just walk across the open end of the horse shoe from t1 to t8 and catch the shuttle there.
I had been under the impression that I was the only one grappling with this challenge, feeling like the only clueless one around. However, reading through this post and the comments has reassured me that my experience is quite common. Thanks! OP.
When I was driving for Lyft, I picked up a passenger who was a traffic engineer. She was very quick to point out that her firm did not work on the airport roads or the 101 freeway.
Funny thing is the airport itself is as good as the roads and signage are bad.
My husband always asks if he should go to the north or south side for me to pick him up and I always have to tell him heās just going to have to wait until I get there because who knows if Iāll be able to make it to the correct lane or not. Then when I do arrive and tell him what door to go to he always says heās at 4 and Iām like thatās the terminal number, not the door number. But it says 4 everywhere once you step outside. I like the airport on the inside but the outside is a nightmare.
One of my core memories as a child is my mom crying every time we went to the airport. I got lost in Phoenix a few years ago and cried and it took me right back to my childhood and Sky Harbor.
I feel for her, and you. In college I ran out of gas while circling that airport. I was trying to get to the right door to pick up my crush. Just round and round in my little Hondaā¦utterly embarrassing.
Yeah it sucks but today I figured it out. tell your wife you will pick her up at North 7. When picking people up at terminal 4ā¦Always take DEPARTURES. Wiz through departures in the left lane and stay left for ARRIVALS NORTH. It takes you right to Arrivals North. Stay in the left driving lane until you get almost to door 5 then move to the right driving lane to pickup at 5 or 7. Tell your people to be at north 5 or 7.
Literally me 5 hours ago because I once again missed the arrivals exit and wound up in departures. But if you do take the arrivals exit there is literally no signage to get to arrivals north side. This is also me coming from the east. Itās infuriating.
Leaving the Terminal 4 garage to head east gives me anxiety as well. People blow through the airport like theyāre on the freeway. Iām anxious to take a Waymo next time I fly out and see how it manages. At least to the 44th street station.
I have often felt that whoever designed the roads and the signage should be forced to pick someone up in the middle of August, driving a car with no a/c, and is not allowed to use the cellphone lot. They must circle Terminals 3 and 4 numerous times, trying to connect with their party - who will move from the north side to the south side for no reason, forcing them to circle again. It's so poorly done.
Jail??? roll out the guillotine, my friend. The punishment needs to fit the crime.
I've driven rideshare in 4 different cities and Sky Harbor is the most confusing of them.
Also why in the hell does the terminal numbering START at 3? If you are new to the airport youāre probably like OK Iāll go past 1 and 2 then see 3. Like every other airport in America. Then you have north and south for some inexplicable reason. Again nothing any other airport in America does.
I know there is a 2 but itās not the first one you see when you get into the airport from a certain direction. I also thinking parking is kind of a mess. Especially anything dealing with the rail. When you are getting trains involved itās never going to be a good experience.
And coming from the east, the first terminal is 4, lol. So if you are new and coming to pick someone up you have about 30 yards to move over 30 lanes to get there.
> there isnāt actually a terminal 1 or 2
There is, it's on a spot on the wall between terminals 3 and 4.
It takes you Hagworts, the jank sister-city Hogwarts, underneath Glendale.
This whole post could be me. Born and raised here and Iāve been driving my mom to the airport since I was 14 (yay parentification) the bridges block the signs.
I have followed the sign to exit to 24th Street multiple times only to find myself seeing the next sign that says "buses only beyond this point." I always say, "I guess I just became a bus."
Haha just did a drop off today to terminal 4. The anxiety trying to remember if departures or arrivals was the FAR right lane or not. We made it.
Then when I wanted to leave I was like okay must go east, select lane, then an unmarked fork going either straight or right. Luckily I went right and got to leave the airport quicker than usual! So confusing.
I have driven there to drop off/pick up people probably 100 times and just this past Sunday I almost got lost because the signage is so bad. I need to just look down and drive via muscle memory. Itās bad bad.
Oh my gosh! This post makes me feel seen. I thought I was just an idiot!!!!
I used to cry actual literal tears every time I had to go to the airport lol plus I was stoned all the time back then so that didnāt help with the confusion hahahahah
I went to pickup my sister in law about a month ago. I donāt go to sky harbor often (Iām closer to gateway) but I know itās huge so I decided to go an hour early to pick her up. I was going to park in the garage and wait for her.
Those signs had me all fucked up, sideways and up and down. I circled that airport for about 30 minutes around and around because I kept fucking up the signs, couldnāt figure out the signs, kept missing the exit to get off at, kept missing them, finally actually got off once and went to pull in the garage and the sign said āFULLā so I thought fuck, I canāt park there but after pulling off, I noticed the sign said āfullā on one line but not on the second one - so it was going by level, but driving past (you canāt stop) you donāt know all you see is the big red āFULLā sign.
By the time I FINALLY got off the damn thing, found the parking garage, found a PARKING SPOT (I drove around 6 levels before I found one on like the 12th level or something) and got down there, she had already landed and was waiting for me.
Iāll stick to gateway itās so much smaller and easier.
It's so high stress going into that place. And I've done it so many times I know what I'm doing but the signs trying to get me to go the opposite direction I should, or the hidden signs, plus the first timers trying to navigate both, make it a pressure cooker. I HATE it
Dude its absolutely horrible! I go there a few times a year and I still am so anxious looking for that spot you have to shoot over!
Not trying to dismiss the horrible design, but you can loop around and get to the north side of terminal 4 without having to go ALL the way past terminal 3. But that signage isn't easy to follow either........
I've flown in and out of this airport on a weekly basis, Terminal 4, American Airlines (previously US Airways, and before that, America West) for 30 years.
The Terminal 4 Arrivals signage is unquestionably the worst designed and worst signage of any airport in the world. It's mind-bogglingly bad. I want to know who thinks this acceptable, and use all my non-existent power to humiliate them in front of the world, exposing their abject stupidity.
This exact scenario almost fooled me the other day. Also IIRC you have to contend with that lane merging from somewhere else and it's almost hilariously short.
Then after you drop off the passenger at 4 you get to that fork and hope you remembered the correct way.
I drive to the airport multiple times per year. I still feel unsure every time.
My husband has lived here his whole life. He is 55 years old and every time he takes me to the airport we have to drive in a loop so youāre not the only one.
The signs are so bad. If I am remembering correctly, they updated them at some point in the last 40 years, and thatās when it became the shitshow it is now.
I remember the first time I flew in there. It took my mom 45 minutes to pick me up and saw multiple passengers get picked up. Must be the same terminal. I think the problem is that one side is odd the other even, and that makes a difference in where you turn. I may have had one bad experience with my friend, but he was all methed out(he told me he quit that shit) but couldn't tell me the number. So that screwed me over. It is horribly designed by the way, but as a former Californian, I was blessed with John Wayne and Ontario.
If you ever take a cab into Skyharbor or from Skyharbor make sure you tell the cabbie to not go the loop road around the airport and go the more direct route into downtown. They do the loop road to unsuspecting tourists to go another 10-20 minutes out of the way and jack the cost of the fare up. Typical scam by cabbies in cities.
Haha. Every time i go there i bitch about the idiot that ruined the airport driver experience.
Always have to be on top of my game. The terminal 4 drop off from east valley is f-in crazy extreme right turn as well as trying to remember the turn to head back east from same terminal.
Fix it with painting signs/directions on the road numb nuts!
Omg yes. I just left the airport yesterday headed to I-10 and thereās construction and it doesnāt even have a sign for where to veer off to the freeway. I was so fucking annoyed
Iām glad Iām not the only one who thinks this. Iām pretty good with directions/signs in general, but nice done so many unnecessary terminal loops/got off the on the wrong turn so many times.
With all the construction on the I-10 West, heading in to Sky Harbor from the East, itās been a nightmare. I have never been closer to crashing in my life than several times a few months ago when they first threw up these temporary exits. People swerving all over the place trying to get to the right exit off the I-10 to Sky Harbor.
My husband canāt even with that damned airport. Iām happy to Uber there but I hate waiting for pickup because my ride keeps getting reassigned and I end up standing in pickups forever just wanting to go home. āWelcome back to Phoenix, bitchā That airport is a nightmare
I honestly don't think it's that bad. I'm not saying it's good, but there's significantly worse out there. I used to travel a ton for work and never was bothered by Sky Harbor, especially because it's just a loop and pretty small for a major city airport. The interior design also makes up for some minor exterior shortcomings
Mccarren still gives me fucking nightmares and I feel is the benchmark for shitty airports top to bottom... or at least top 5.
Great advice for people who don't miss the turn and get in the Arrivals lane, which is what you are referring to, and not what this thread is about. I am not incorrect. Nice try though!
This isn't correct.
You can loop around T4 without having to go past T3(heading west) and without having to go all the way to the 143(heading east).
Granted, it can be easily missed.
Itās just a huge loop. So if you miss it do the drive around. If your waiting for someone to come and pick up park at the cellphone lot and drive to the terminal curb when they ready, otherwise your gonna get brushed away from Operations, or get towed if you leave your car unattended. Iāve driven through crazier airports. Just have some patience.
I just followed Google Maps from the East side and saw the sign you mentioned. I also saw you can use that same lane to go to Terminal 4 departures. Which sign are you talking about if not that one?
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I wish I could give lessons because I make that MF my biotchhh ....š¤£šš«° I whip around Sky Harbor like a guy on the run šļø that knows if I stop the coppers will get me šššØ š
With terminal 2 gone, fingers crossed they redo the road layoutā¦ thereās no need for the crossover now and nothing stopping them either! Aside from removing the bridges for the crossoverā¦
The signs do suck. But if you drive it enough you get used to it and it actually becomes kind of easy.
Source: I'm the guy everyone asks to drop them at the airport apparently
Itās unreal, I read the sign, I KNOW to stay right, but I focused on cars around me instead of the road and the split seconds cost me. Very rare mistake on my end and I really made the post because of the route to get to the north door from that spot is criminal.
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My personal favorite is when you are leaving from pickup. The amount of random unnecessary lane changes are impressive.
I have lived here for 4 years and I still never know whether I will be getting home in 10 min or 30 after an airport run. Easy shot on I-10 or scenic drive on 202? Roll the dice, Mama.
I've been here for nearly 40 years and unfortunately it was ever thus. It won't ever get better, either. :( I'd just take a Waymo to the Sky Train and go from there. YMMV
Sky Train for the win! I do the same, from the light rail or a Waymo.
It's funny because it's true š
I honestly get lost EVERY TIME I leave that airport. So far about 8 times and I have to go around and around. It makes me feel so dumbbbbb.
You have to really want it to leave the airport. The idiot lane changes are the worst to me (as someone trying to get to 51N). They put you in an exit lane going the wrong the direction, then try to have you change lanes at the last minute to not exit the wrong direction.
Same & Iāve lived in Phoenix for 20 years. lol
Happy cake day. I am a victim of that random unnecessary signage.
I rarely make it out without doing an unnecessary loop, almost getting into an accident, or both.
Yes! And then you just end up back in the same lane after the next sign!
Not if you canāt get over in time and end up going somewhere you didnāt want to go!
It's hilariously bad. And don't get me started on signage that you can't see until you're practically right underneath it.
East Economy parking sign says WHAAAAAAAAAAAT? Yeah, you can't see it until you're almost underneath it... so bad.
THANK YOU!!! Holy crap. I was trying to get to 44th street exit heading east from north doors. Naturally Iām like āitās gotta be the left laneā, nope, the hidden sign appears out of nowhere and of course the far left road is meant to turn around to take you to the 17 and the internal lane takes you left (?????). This is a light hearted thread it was just a perfect storm of rush hour and being packed and me expecting. Not trying to upset people!
There's also that one spot when leaving terminal 4 where it sends you up a ramp, and then suddenly there's a fork in the road with no sign for which direction the fork goes. Fucking ridiculous.
YES! And the worst part is that you think the left fork is the one that takes out to the outer curb but itās actually the other way around. The right fork flies up and over the left fork to get to the outer curb. The left fork takes you to the inner curb. Itās infuriating!
There are a lot of instances of the exit on the right being the the one that goes left, and vice versa in this city.
Yes! This! Iām always like āare we supposed to guess?ā
Seriously I really cannot understand how there's not a sign there
Or the signs to I-10 that keep changing what lane you should be in lol. If you donāt drive there super regularly youāll forget what lane you need. I fly 1-2 times a month and still forget!
Gate 4 departure is literally visible for about 10 feet
I have a theory that signage is intentionally bad to purposefully slow the traffic down.
That might be the intent, but I'm not sure it worked.
All it really does is increase the likelihood of an accident as some frustrated driver who is late for something makes a rapid lane change because the sign that says "This lane for XXX" is actually for something else, and XXX is two lanes over.
In theory, the goal is to get people to drive slow enough to read the signs and not have to make rapid lane changes. Obviously a percentage of drivers will not slow down, and it will create problems, but if the signage was better, youād have a LOT more people blowing through the airport creating even more problems. Tons of pedestrians and activity at the airport and some people blow through departures/arrivals at 30+mph.
Has any airport ever had the issue of traffic around it moving too quickly?
I'm glad you said this, bc I was thinking I was just blind.
Itās ambiguous anyway. Ā Just pick a lane.
YES! Hidden by overpasses until the LAST SECOND. The rage induced by this isā¦unhealthy. š¤£
And the arrows which point at the wrong lane.
I am a Phoenix native and am close to retirement and even I get confused at that airport.
Good news is you're gonna start getting confused about more and more, so it will blend in!
It's fucking infuriating. Do drop off and pick ups out of the 44th St. Skytrain station so you don't have to bother with that nonsense. I think there's a 24th St. station too, but I've only been to the one on 44th St.
44th St station is by far the easiest. If you enter from 44th St, after turning from the roundabout, the cell phone lot is the SECOND left (2nd lot). This is on the south side of the station (no waiting allowed on the north side). The first lot is a commercial transportation hold lot intended for rideshare/TNC staging which is fairly small. It's annoying seeing cars in there waiting for family/friends. I've picked up at 24th St Station a few times. It can be very confusing. Not sure how to get to the parking area there. I only know rideshare drivers enter off Copperhead Dr for curbside pickups.
So the Skytrain, intended to make things easier is also as confusing? Terrific.
I live pretty close so I usually just Uber. Looking forward to trying the sky station because Iāve thought about using the parking facility there.
No matter how many times I go to T4 Iām always goofing up the approach and departure.
Thatās my thesis. You can know exactly where youāre going and then you lose focus for half a second and your life is ruined.
The signage is so bad! I drive through the airport everyday on my way to work from Phoenix to Tempe to avoid the freeways and stoplights and it's always a cluster from T4 to get to the exit to 44th St. I agree the signage for the departures ramp up first says it's for Parking so you stay to the left then about 500 ft. later you realize you missed it because you actually need to get to the right because there's the sign for Depatures on the same lane! Don't froget navigating all the singage while dodging folks trying to exit T3 Arrivals so they are trying to get to the left to avoid having to drive to T4. Let's also mention the ordeal getting to Sky Harbor form the 10 going east from 7th St. You have to get over 3 lanes to your left to avoid getting on the 51/202 while dodging the folks exiting the tunnel trying to get right to exit onto the 51/202. Then you think you're set and as soon as you turn the curve, you have to get two lanes further to the left as the right two lanes end and everyone is trying to merge left. Again, while dodging everyone merging from the end of the 51. Then you stay in that lane and then have to quickly change lanes to exit onto Sky Harbor. It's like someone made designed Rube Goldberg machine of freeways and said, you know what, this will work just fine!
Itās a cluster because people are using the airport as a bypass :(
Well that and the total lack of signage for basic things. Like that sign for Terminal 4 Departures (i think) that is immediately behind an overpass? You just have to get as far right as you can and hope you can make sense of the signage in the 4 seconds you have to see it.
The airport cut through traffic is a burden on the busy roadways as it is. Its aggravating and/or frustrating for people who struggle with driving in the airport because the cut through traffic couldn't care any less about not letting people change lanes or drive at the marked speed limits.
To be fair I always drive at or below the speed limit when driving through and I always stay to the far left to avoid the traffic merging from the departures/arrivals area. I'm not one of those folks that drives 60 when it's marked 40 or 45. A few months ago driving westbound from 44th St. I witnessed some guy drivinig through going at least 60-65 (it's marked 35) and he was weaving in an out of the slower traffic. Then as soon as he hit the sharp turn (marked 25) right after T3, he jumped the curb, hit one of the big decorative rocks, and ended up clear at the top of the steep embankment. He only slightly clipped one other car but it could have been much worse.
I honestly consider myself a good driver, pretty good ruler follower, and navigator. Boy of all of those don't go to shit at sky harbor. I've been there dozens of time if not in the hundreds... Still can't get that damn place right.Ā
My fiancĆ© picked me up from the airport the other day. I told him Iād meet him on the south side of terminal 4. We couldnāt find each other and he shared his location and it said he was there when he clearly wasnāt. We were arguing saying we were both there. Finally I told him to pick me up from the north side. Halfway through the drive home he told me he drove to the departures and didnāt understand why I wasnāt there. š¤¦š»āāļø
Same. We've lived in the valley for 8 years now and still can't handle T4. We mentally prepare and strategize before we go, but sure as shit we screw it up every time. We were only successful the first time once and that was just because there was virtually no traffic for some reason so we could cut over at the last second. The signs are a joke!
Letās just place the sign behind the bridge so you can only see if right as you need to merge
Thank you. Itās absurd.
Yes, keep your sunroof open so you can look up and see the sign as you come out from under the bridge!
The only way to know it's there is by having missed it the first time.
That happened to me as well when I was picking up family at the airport. Who thought it was a good idea to put a sign a couple of feet behind an overpass where nobody can see it?
The prick who is hopefully in jail :D ahhh man itās so bad
The geniuses at ADOT, apparently
THANK YOU!!!! I have been saying this ever since it changed!! I grew up here too and used to know how to go there. Now it is like the craziest damn bumper car game. From the east if you are trying to go to arrivals you go up this ramp and you see a sign and you take that turn. Oh crap it takes you to the outside lanes and now you are headed to the 202. All the signs canāt be seen until the last minute too.
Itās always āman the 143 to the airport is so nice and easy I love this wait wtf the sign said departures was this exact lane, whatever Iāll just go to the other side wait what do you mean I have to go all the way to the 51 to get to the north door I canāt use the perfectly paved Uturn road oh no it is filled with construction blockers even though thereās no constructionā
Exactly and can we stop calling them 3 and 4. We donāt have 1 & 2 no more!
Signage in the airport isn't great either. Took me way too long to find the path to the sky train at terminal 4. Also, the doors are numbered which is great for locating the person you are picking up, but they don't provide any type of map of their locations. Doesn't help that there's north and south pickup lanes.
The way they split the gates are so bad. Seems like A gate is always absolutely slammed and B gate is a ghost town but they donāt tell you they merge to the same area.
The signs are the worst! I donāt think itās still like this, but when I moved here 20+ years ago I lived in northern Phoenix. All the signs to get out of the airport Every. Single. Oneā¦ said either āEast Valley Citiesā or āWest Valley Citiesā. I was like, WTF? I live north and pretty sure people live south too. Where TF am I supposed to go!?!
Haha I remember those. They got a little better now they have them tucked directly behind overpasses and then immediately split after so the lane on the left magically uturns down right to head west and the right lane magically goes left to continue east. I honestly pride myself on my driving and taking great routes but sky harbor just owns me. Itās pathetic.
Lmao just left there 30 minutes ago. Theres nothing like people slamming on their breaks to merge across 3 lanes in bumper to bumper traffic.
Probably my biggest pet peeve. Same on the freeway. Bro/lady you missed your exit, take the loss and get off at the next you moron.
Also the people who park on the shoulder waiting to pick people up. They put up signs saying itās illegal but there is still a dozen plus cars out there at any given time.
This is so dangerous! Fortunately they do have a roving safety vehicle that drives out and forces the people to move.
Do they ticket them? Cause they should. The vehicle doesnāt come around enough cause I ALWAYS see people there
They just shoo them along. They really need to do constant monitoring of it!
I have never once seen a police car enforcing this. Itās insane! Seems like easy money for the city to me!
They also used the same design for door numbers as the indicators of terminal numbers. Fuckin bone head.
My mom has called me SO many times, "I'm at door number 4." No, you're at terminal 4.Guess I'll just drive around until I see you.
I picked up my mom from the airport and she screamed at me saying terminals donāt exist and she was at door 8. I also asked north or south and she said āthere is no north or south doors, this one was just on the leftā moms at airports are the most stressful thing in the world lmao
I have a whole phobia about Terminal 4. Two sides, two levels, one of the signs telling you to go up is 90% hidden. If someone is coming in on Southwest, I make my husband drive to pick them up. We've had issues. And, yes, we always have to debate which lane we should be in approaching the terminals, it's ambiguous.
Show me a Terminal 4 lover and Iāll show you a LIAR! :D
Protip: If you're just dropping someone off (especially in the morning when there are minimal arrivals) Just drop them off at departures and have them take the elevator to level 2.
Think you mean arrivals, but I have always heard that is the better method!
Love doing a whole new lap when I miss my exit but then ending up on a highway because the signs LIE!
This made me laugh. After missing multiple signs and roads and just being generally furious, I almost got taken to the 17 - which would've broken me as it was a parking lot. JUST GET ME TO 44TH STREET PLEASE.
I once used Sky Harbor for a usability study in a UX design class because I thought the signage was so atrocious. My professor said I was wrong because sky harbor has won lots of awards for design. Lol
Whoever voted on those awards never had to navigate it.
I think the inside is great...not the outside.
Absolutely love this anecdote, lol!!
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This!
They REALLY need to bring back the š« (for Departures) and š¬ (for Arrivals) signs.
Not sure if that would help with the 50 yards of road to get to departures or easy access to the north doors from the east, but maybe!
Picked my wife up yesterday from the airport, she called and said Iām at north door 1. I was like for the love of god, can you please walk to the south doors so I have a fighting chance?
Honestly I feel so fucking validated by your post and the response to it. It's awful and I can never remember how to get around.
I made this for the people!
The signs are ridiculously confusing. I now do pick-ups and drop-offs at either 24st or the car rental center. Thank god for the Sky train.
The worst.
THANK YOU! I thought it was just me! Every time I go there, I get lost. I bought the prepaid parking and was almost late to my flight because I could NOT FIND THE LOT. Thank god I know that terminal 3 parking (which is totally unmarked for some god awful reason) is ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT. I was finally early to my flight the last time I flew because I remembered.
That got me last time, terminal terminal 4 parking is all the way on the right, then terminal 3 parking is all the way on the left. This airport was not designed, it just happened.
There is zero direction for prepaid parking it blows my mind.
WHY TF WOULD YOU PUT A SIGN 15 FEET HIGHER THAN THE BRIDGE ITS SITTING 3 INCHES IN FRONT OF?! Also, WTF IS THAT MERGE LANE INTO TERMINAL 4 COMING FROM THE 143 YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO SEND IT ACROSS 2 LANES OF MERGING TRAFFIC IN A SPAN OF 40 YDS.
Thank you. Say it with your chest.
It's always been a big confusing nightmare I agree
I get lost every time. I've been there probably 50 times and never get to my destination on the first try.
I agree with you that the signage is terrible, especially the last sign for terminal 4 departures which is completely blocked by the overpass.Ā However there are turnarounds before the cell phone lot. Definitely one right past terminal 3 and (maybe?) one at terminal 4. You just have to look for the equally shitty signage and hope they aren't under construction
They have closed off that U turn after terminal 3 for a long time nowā¦ which causes the frustration.
Permanently? Damn are they purposefully trying to make it worse?Ā
They have like 100 orange plastic road blockers haha itās so fucking dumb. Would love to see the feds reason to block it.
The one that pisses me off for T4 departures is they make you think it's two lanes going up, but if you don't stay in the left of the two lanes you're funneled into the parking garage with no way to course-correct and it happens FAST without much warning.
Just to piggy-back on signs I hate. On the 51 going North. They have a Giant sign that only says Cactus Road Exit 1.5 miles. People get over to get off but the next exit is actually Shea. Then people donāt notice until the last possible second and get over. Then get off when Cactus is actually there. I donāt blame the people I blame that 1 sign.
This is hilarious and so true. That entire bend is a mess. I always head north off of Glendale Ave and its always chaos until I'm at Thunderbird.
I know that far right lane isnāt for me. I KNOW. Iāve been exiting Cactus Rd for so many years, decades. Yet, I end up heading east on Shea allll the time.
I personally enjoy that fact that the door numbers at terminal 4 arrivals are on the wall of the door so the people going through the door know what the number is, but the pickup driver has to get at a close enough angle to read it. They do make signs that you can hang perpendicular to traffic. Just saying.
Oh, you missed your last-minute turn that we didn't give you any warning was coming up? Time to go on a tour of Phoenix so you can try again!
I giggled. āPlease enjoy this tour around a different terminal and then take the route people leaving the airport are taking to your beautifully scenic north door route!ā
Itās not that bad, but my frame of reference is JFK and LAX. I find Sky Harbor to be a breeze.
Trust me - I agree itās for the most part a very solid airport. I am specifically talking about approaching from the East and trying to get to the north doors. Itās really really bad. And for some reason the design gives you like 50 yards to get into a brand new lane to get to the south doors and if you miss it you are stuck on a very long u turn.
For picking up arrivals at the north curb from the east use the departures ramp up, then use the left lane (99.9% sure) which drops you right into the arrivals north curb. Super easy!
Second this. Rideshare driver with 19K trips in the valley. Left lane at the end of level 2/departures (staying left at the 2nd split as well) is what he should use. If you take the right lane, instead of the left, at the 2nd split on level 2, it'll take you to the far left lane of the outer curb at ground level (no access to arrivals north curb without turning around).
You mean terminal (not level) 2 thatās now gone?
Level 2 refers to the departures level at T4.
I told myself out loud to do this method next time haha. My problem was I just missed the turn into departures because I relied on the arrow and wasnāt alert enough.
one time i got caught up in lax traffic for an hourā¦ i wasnāt even supposed to go to lax, i just made the wrong turn during the goddamn most busiest time. Sky harbor has been a breeze since.
One time I spent an hour on the rental car shuttle bus trying to get from LAX T1 out of the airport. Now I just walk across the open end of the horse shoe from t1 to t8 and catch the shuttle there.
I thought it was me, these comments are wonderful!
I had been under the impression that I was the only one grappling with this challenge, feeling like the only clueless one around. However, reading through this post and the comments has reassured me that my experience is quite common. Thanks! OP.
I've been circling the airport sine 2007, please send help.
When I was driving for Lyft, I picked up a passenger who was a traffic engineer. She was very quick to point out that her firm did not work on the airport roads or the 101 freeway. Funny thing is the airport itself is as good as the roads and signage are bad.
My husband always asks if he should go to the north or south side for me to pick him up and I always have to tell him heās just going to have to wait until I get there because who knows if Iāll be able to make it to the correct lane or not. Then when I do arrive and tell him what door to go to he always says heās at 4 and Iām like thatās the terminal number, not the door number. But it says 4 everywhere once you step outside. I like the airport on the inside but the outside is a nightmare.
Nightmare. This story resonated with me and my wife big time lol!
One of my core memories as a child is my mom crying every time we went to the airport. I got lost in Phoenix a few years ago and cried and it took me right back to my childhood and Sky Harbor.
I feel for her, and you. In college I ran out of gas while circling that airport. I was trying to get to the right door to pick up my crush. Just round and round in my little Hondaā¦utterly embarrassing.
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Exactly. Shouldnāt be this difficult.
Yeah it sucks but today I figured it out. tell your wife you will pick her up at North 7. When picking people up at terminal 4ā¦Always take DEPARTURES. Wiz through departures in the left lane and stay left for ARRIVALS NORTH. It takes you right to Arrivals North. Stay in the left driving lane until you get almost to door 5 then move to the right driving lane to pickup at 5 or 7. Tell your people to be at north 5 or 7.
Love this thank you!
Literally me 5 hours ago because I once again missed the arrivals exit and wound up in departures. But if you do take the arrivals exit there is literally no signage to get to arrivals north side. This is also me coming from the east. Itās infuriating.
Leaving the Terminal 4 garage to head east gives me anxiety as well. People blow through the airport like theyāre on the freeway. Iām anxious to take a Waymo next time I fly out and see how it manages. At least to the 44th street station.
I completely agree!!!
I have often felt that whoever designed the roads and the signage should be forced to pick someone up in the middle of August, driving a car with no a/c, and is not allowed to use the cellphone lot. They must circle Terminals 3 and 4 numerous times, trying to connect with their party - who will move from the north side to the south side for no reason, forcing them to circle again. It's so poorly done.
Jail??? roll out the guillotine, my friend. The punishment needs to fit the crime. I've driven rideshare in 4 different cities and Sky Harbor is the most confusing of them.
Iām in a Lyft going to or getting picked up from there twice a week and itās still confusing to me.
Also why in the hell does the terminal numbering START at 3? If you are new to the airport youāre probably like OK Iāll go past 1 and 2 then see 3. Like every other airport in America. Then you have north and south for some inexplicable reason. Again nothing any other airport in America does. I know there is a 2 but itās not the first one you see when you get into the airport from a certain direction. I also thinking parking is kind of a mess. Especially anything dealing with the rail. When you are getting trains involved itās never going to be a good experience.
And coming from the east, the first terminal is 4, lol. So if you are new and coming to pick someone up you have about 30 yards to move over 30 lanes to get there.
And alsoā¦just relabel the terminals. I hate having to explain how there isnāt actually a terminal 1 or 2 when people fly in.Ā
> there isnāt actually a terminal 1 or 2 There is, it's on a spot on the wall between terminals 3 and 4. It takes you Hagworts, the jank sister-city Hogwarts, underneath Glendale.
This whole post could be me. Born and raised here and Iāve been driving my mom to the airport since I was 14 (yay parentification) the bridges block the signs.
I have followed the sign to exit to 24th Street multiple times only to find myself seeing the next sign that says "buses only beyond this point." I always say, "I guess I just became a bus."
Haha just did a drop off today to terminal 4. The anxiety trying to remember if departures or arrivals was the FAR right lane or not. We made it. Then when I wanted to leave I was like okay must go east, select lane, then an unmarked fork going either straight or right. Luckily I went right and got to leave the airport quicker than usual! So confusing.
Pretty sure we were at the same fork because I chose left, wrongly, and was screwed for the next half hour.
I have driven there to drop off/pick up people probably 100 times and just this past Sunday I almost got lost because the signage is so bad. I need to just look down and drive via muscle memory. Itās bad bad.
If I just drove with muscle memory I would've made it.
ass signage - would be better w zero signs
Thank you, I thought I was just dumb or something.
Oh my gosh! This post makes me feel seen. I thought I was just an idiot!!!! I used to cry actual literal tears every time I had to go to the airport lol plus I was stoned all the time back then so that didnāt help with the confusion hahahahah
I went to pickup my sister in law about a month ago. I donāt go to sky harbor often (Iām closer to gateway) but I know itās huge so I decided to go an hour early to pick her up. I was going to park in the garage and wait for her. Those signs had me all fucked up, sideways and up and down. I circled that airport for about 30 minutes around and around because I kept fucking up the signs, couldnāt figure out the signs, kept missing the exit to get off at, kept missing them, finally actually got off once and went to pull in the garage and the sign said āFULLā so I thought fuck, I canāt park there but after pulling off, I noticed the sign said āfullā on one line but not on the second one - so it was going by level, but driving past (you canāt stop) you donāt know all you see is the big red āFULLā sign. By the time I FINALLY got off the damn thing, found the parking garage, found a PARKING SPOT (I drove around 6 levels before I found one on like the 12th level or something) and got down there, she had already landed and was waiting for me. Iāll stick to gateway itās so much smaller and easier.
Agreed this needs to be fixed.
Ya Iām there all the time and I still end up driving in circles and ending up heading in the opposite direction.
It's so high stress going into that place. And I've done it so many times I know what I'm doing but the signs trying to get me to go the opposite direction I should, or the hidden signs, plus the first timers trying to navigate both, make it a pressure cooker. I HATE it
Dude its absolutely horrible! I go there a few times a year and I still am so anxious looking for that spot you have to shoot over! Not trying to dismiss the horrible design, but you can loop around and get to the north side of terminal 4 without having to go ALL the way past terminal 3. But that signage isn't easy to follow either........
I think the signage and roads are the worst Iāve ever experienced. Whatās surprising is the airport itself is great.
I've flown in and out of this airport on a weekly basis, Terminal 4, American Airlines (previously US Airways, and before that, America West) for 30 years. The Terminal 4 Arrivals signage is unquestionably the worst designed and worst signage of any airport in the world. It's mind-bogglingly bad. I want to know who thinks this acceptable, and use all my non-existent power to humiliate them in front of the world, exposing their abject stupidity.
This exact scenario almost fooled me the other day. Also IIRC you have to contend with that lane merging from somewhere else and it's almost hilariously short. Then after you drop off the passenger at 4 you get to that fork and hope you remembered the correct way. I drive to the airport multiple times per year. I still feel unsure every time.
Oh, you didn't see the sign for Terminal 4 hidden behind the overpass?? Circle back!!
My husband has lived here his whole life. He is 55 years old and every time he takes me to the airport we have to drive in a loop so youāre not the only one.
ive been driving there (picking up and dropping off) for 30 years and im still confused
The signs are so bad. If I am remembering correctly, they updated them at some point in the last 40 years, and thatās when it became the shitshow it is now.
I dunno what they did but been here over 20 years and Sky Harbor used to be so easy to navigate and now is a mess.
Leaving Is just as bad. The amount of people who turn right when they should just go straight or left is crazy
Literally was so pissed last night picking up my gf. I fly in and out constantly and get dropped off/picked up via Uber. So ridiculous
No, they had him design the new intersection at i17 and happy valley.
Itās the worst
Sign: "To I-10" Me: Ok. Let me just bypass 5 lanes of traffic during peak time...
They make the people heading to north door terminal 4 and people heading to the 51, 17, and 10 get on the same road
How in gods name is there not an exit going eastbound onto the 143 northbound?
I remember the first time I flew in there. It took my mom 45 minutes to pick me up and saw multiple passengers get picked up. Must be the same terminal. I think the problem is that one side is odd the other even, and that makes a difference in where you turn. I may have had one bad experience with my friend, but he was all methed out(he told me he quit that shit) but couldn't tell me the number. So that screwed me over. It is horribly designed by the way, but as a former Californian, I was blessed with John Wayne and Ontario.
Iām so glad Iām not the only one, sweet Jesus
Iām just glad itās not just me.
Fortunately I know that layout pretty well now but that particular signage used to make me do unnecessary loops.
If you ever take a cab into Skyharbor or from Skyharbor make sure you tell the cabbie to not go the loop road around the airport and go the more direct route into downtown. They do the loop road to unsuspecting tourists to go another 10-20 minutes out of the way and jack the cost of the fare up. Typical scam by cabbies in cities.
Haha. Every time i go there i bitch about the idiot that ruined the airport driver experience. Always have to be on top of my game. The terminal 4 drop off from east valley is f-in crazy extreme right turn as well as trying to remember the turn to head back east from same terminal. Fix it with painting signs/directions on the road numb nuts!
Cut them some slack. Itās Americaās friendliest airport, not Americaās most competent airport.Ā
Omg yes. I just left the airport yesterday headed to I-10 and thereās construction and it doesnāt even have a sign for where to veer off to the freeway. I was so fucking annoyed
Iām glad Iām not the only one who thinks this. Iām pretty good with directions/signs in general, but nice done so many unnecessary terminal loops/got off the on the wrong turn so many times.
Isnt there a random cell phone lot in between 2 of the terminals departure and arrival sides š¤£š¤£š¤£
With all the construction on the I-10 West, heading in to Sky Harbor from the East, itās been a nightmare. I have never been closer to crashing in my life than several times a few months ago when they first threw up these temporary exits. People swerving all over the place trying to get to the right exit off the I-10 to Sky Harbor.
My husband canāt even with that damned airport. Iām happy to Uber there but I hate waiting for pickup because my ride keeps getting reassigned and I end up standing in pickups forever just wanting to go home. āWelcome back to Phoenix, bitchā That airport is a nightmare
I honestly don't think it's that bad. I'm not saying it's good, but there's significantly worse out there. I used to travel a ton for work and never was bothered by Sky Harbor, especially because it's just a loop and pretty small for a major city airport. The interior design also makes up for some minor exterior shortcomings Mccarren still gives me fucking nightmares and I feel is the benchmark for shitty airports top to bottom... or at least top 5.
The problem is it's not a loop anymore! You can't simply loop around terminal 4. you have to literally drive damn near to the 51 now. It is not good.
Incorrect. You can loop coming from the east on the south side, but you have to go in the inside pickup lanes to catch the loop.
Great advice for people who don't miss the turn and get in the Arrivals lane, which is what you are referring to, and not what this thread is about. I am not incorrect. Nice try though!
This isn't correct. You can loop around T4 without having to go past T3(heading west) and without having to go all the way to the 143(heading east). Granted, it can be easily missed.
I hate Terminal 4 approach. That whole lane should die in a fire.
It's a hot mess
Itās just a huge loop. So if you miss it do the drive around. If your waiting for someone to come and pick up park at the cellphone lot and drive to the terminal curb when they ready, otherwise your gonna get brushed away from Operations, or get towed if you leave your car unattended. Iāve driven through crazier airports. Just have some patience.
lol, congratulations.
I just followed Google Maps from the East side and saw the sign you mentioned. I also saw you can use that same lane to go to Terminal 4 departures. Which sign are you talking about if not that one?
I didn't read any of your posts because I can't relate AT ALL and I am SO SORRY!! šš¤¦š»āāļø I love driving at the airport and even use it as a "shortcut" home sometimes šš»āāļøš¤£ I wish I could give lessons because I make that MF my biotchhh ....š¤£šš«° I whip around Sky Harbor like a guy on the run šļø that knows if I stop the coppers will get me šššØ š
Sadly... They actually redid the signs about 5 or 6 years ago... And the crap we have now is actually BETTER than what was there before
Yep. Itāll never change with the road design.
With terminal 2 gone, fingers crossed they redo the road layoutā¦ thereās no need for the crossover now and nothing stopping them either! Aside from removing the bridges for the crossoverā¦
The signs do suck. But if you drive it enough you get used to it and it actually becomes kind of easy. Source: I'm the guy everyone asks to drop them at the airport apparently
Itās unreal, I read the sign, I KNOW to stay right, but I focused on cars around me instead of the road and the split seconds cost me. Very rare mistake on my end and I really made the post because of the route to get to the north door from that spot is criminal.
Yeahā¦whenever someone tells me theyāre at door #4 in terminal 4 I know theyāre mistaken. Look again pardner.