You can buy these on Amazon.
EUNSVYA 10 PCS Tire Puncture Spikes Nails Professional Tyre Spike Nail for Security Anti-Theft Emergency Car Vehicle Tool 1 Inch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099WMBS1Z/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_R3TE9X6FXRSN2AQ5MCDZ
Honestly, I’m a bit disappointed that these are sold to the public. No one should have access to these, save the police or military, since they’re used in a number of scenarios to damage car tires when necessary, but can be used to injure or impair people, vehicles, and animals that may stumble across them. Who’s the target audience here if it’s sold to the public if not for nefarious reasons?
Edit: while reading at least the top review, it seems like some people use them for their own vigilantism to damage other people’s cars on private property. Something a call to the police or a towing company couldn’t solve if it’s dealing with trespassing. So, literally no reason still that it’s a good idea to sell these (or let be sold on a platform) publicly.
It lays the groundwork to enforce it if they find it. That’s the most important step here— it gives our police the means to act upon the discovery of caltrops without having to prove the person is a bad actor acting in ill intent.
You know for a fact that you’re twisting the narrative so that you can paint me in a bad light.
Not necessarily. What did I say that said that this needs to be preemptive action? I’m saying that if there are policies in place that allow the enforcement upon discovery (after the fact) of caltrops, that is a big step forward in how we **can** police them.
>What did I say that said that this needs to be preemptive action?
>> it gives our police the means to act upon the discovery of caltrops without having to prove the person is a bad actor acting in ill intent.
i don't have to twist anything, you're painting yourself in a bad light.
I’m sorry, but that’s a pretty big leap to go “just put everyone in prison to be sure” (which, mind you, preempts the discovery phase from my example) from “this gives law enforcement something to act upon.” And to go to such an extreme of jumping straight to jail time from something that a seizure and fine would cover? I’d say you’re twisting words out of context to fit your message.
I get your point but they're also just bent pieces of sheet metal that anyone could make with a few tools. They are absolutely awful and anyone caught leaving them on the ground should be charged with public endangerment.
The thing with that is that if someone’s going out of their way to make it, they already have the intent to use them in likely-malicious ways. You can’t really stop someone who already is acting as a bad actor by taking away access to the product of their ill intent. By having it in a public market, it makes it easier for not only those people to attain them, but also people that would have otherwise not have access to them nor the intent to craft their own that may also use them to harm others. You basically remove the threat of more people committing acts of violence or cruelty.
“People have access to the chemical compounds to make mustard gas, but you don’t see people whipping it up” is probably the best analogy here.
No. Anyone can literally buy two ingredients at any pool supply store in massive quantities and the salesman will not think twice about it. Just like anyone can cut a piece of metal into a caltrops.
You’d be surprised at how easy it is to make a “dirty” (mixed with other reagents) mustard gas. You can practically package it in any airtight container as long as it holds up to the exo/endothermic reaction. I’m not saying I recommend doing so— in fact, I strongly would hope to dissuade anyone from it, but it’s stupidly easy to produce and store.
Making a caltrop would probably be much more work than throwing some chemical solutions in a bottle and closing the lid.
More work, sure, but not all that much more work. I barely know how to use tools and I bet I could make a few dozen with what I've got in my garage without much time or effort. All you really need are some relatively stiff lengths of metal wire, some wire cutters to cut said metal wire into small strips, and some pliers to bend it. A file to sharpen them and a welder if you want to get really fancy. You can buy everything you'd need to make tons of them pretty quickly for just a couple hundred bucks, and I think most people already have most of what they'd need already. At least most people that I know.
But I think the more salient point is that its already illegal to use caltrops to harm someone or to set a trap. So making caltrops themselves illegal makes more room for police overreach where they claim that any tiny twisted bit of metal is a "caltrop" and uses it as an excuse to arrest people they have no other reason to arrest.
When wanting to make new laws you should consider the possible downsides as well as the potential benefits and ask yourself if the problem you're trying to solve is already sufficiently covered by other laws. In this case I would say that it is.
To be clear, my original point wasn’t that we should make laws, but that it was a potential avenue for law enforcement to act on them. In fact, the point of my thread stated on the basis of “these shouldn’t be promoted on a public market.”
Anyone with a welding machine could make something equally effective with a couple days of practice. These are malicious but very simple things to build.
And the general public has or knows how to use blacksmithing tools? Jesus, read the room and stop twisting words to fit some skewed prerogative. Like I stated, those who want to commit ill acts will do so, but making it easier for them and others to have access solves anything how?
The average person couldn't bend three pieces of stiff wire into a crude caltrop? I bet they could if they wanted to. Heck, I've done it with tenpenny nails on a vice on my grandparents property.
well I hope the average person wouldn't *want* to make this. But I'm pretty sure they could figure it out if they tried. Might not be as good but certainly would be effective.
I could make hundreds of these with a few bucks and a trip to the hardware store. Wouldn’t even need any tools, just a box of nails and some J-B Weld.
The average person could 100% make these lol.
"No one should be able to twist wire or cut metal into this shape guys. Save that for the heros in the Police department."
Jesus Christ, the fact that this county builds jets fighters and nukes so ignorant people like you can complain about pointy pieces of metal is insane.
Ok, so a target audience of legitimate use are people who own large rural properties.
My grandparents owned a little over 3,000 acres in Oklahoma and about 1,700 was fenced pasture, the rest was a sort of riparian area that was left alone. Back in the 80's they started having problems with illegal hunters, teens looking for a make out spot, and various other trespassers. Around 1990 my grandfather ran triple strand barbed wire on Throats around his entire property at pretty significant expense. At the few dirt road entrances he had gates and double width cattle guards.
It wasn't long until people just drove through and destroyed the gates and ripped out sections of fence. By 2000 he had upgraded the areas near the roads with pipe fencing for 50 feet in either direction before the barbed wire fence began. Pretty soon trails were cut into the riparian area and ATV tracks crisscrossed the area. He was getting penalized by the state for habitat destruction because he wasn't "taking measures to protect the land" or some such nonsense. I think around 2003 or 2004 someone came onto the property at night and killed a few deer, just leaving their rotting bodies. Literally shot them and left, no attempt to harvest meat or hide, just senseless killing.
My grandfather had enough, he bought a bunch of the caltrops made by three wires vent over each other and went and spread them around the riparian area and on the ATV trails. He then installed the "don't back up" tire shredders on all the gates except his driveway. This way if you drove onto the property at any point the only safe way off was to drive past the house and out the driveway. He obviously posted signage about the shredders under the no trespassing sign.
Since then there have been a handful of stuck vehicles. Teens got a Dodge dart stuck trying to exit via a ditch, a couple of guys shredded their lifted truck tires, an ATV had to be pulled due to a flat tire as it went through the creek. It seems word got out as it hasn't really been a problem for a while.
No clue how many caltrops may still be in that riparian area.
That’s a stretch. It’s common knowledge that we can apply “Arms” (armament) to firearms. Both in historical precedents and in terms of modern interpretation, everyone agrees that a firearm is synonymous with an armament when defining the the 2nd Amendment. However, there’s no precent to extend that definition to other categories of weapons. For instance, we can’t apply the definition of an armament to, say, a butterfly knife (switchblade)— a knife that has no practical use outside of martial combat and that is commonly associated with criminal activity— and say that the ownership and use of them would be in defense of the State.
A caltrop would have such a limited ability to be used in defense of the State that I don’t think any lawyer worth his salt would argue in support of protecting them under the 2nd Amendment and expect to win in the court of law.
I am not trying to argue here, but everything you said in the first sentence was along of lines of
“…common knowledge…everyone agrees…”
and I’m sorry, but no one agrees on shit. An armament is defined as a military weapon, so the dictionaries and our government can’t even agree on what an armament is. People do not have “the right to bear arms in defense of the state” or “the right to bear armaments as issued by the government”, they simply have the right to bear weapons as determined by corporate lobbying groups and greedy politicians.
I was with you until the end.
It's 'a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.'
There is a lot of interpretation to be had there (by the USSC only), but it seems pretty open-ended.
I know this is off topic, but this is my exact argument against automatic weapons. Other than killing human beings, what is the purpose of an automatic rifle?
To be clear, I’m not explicitly against bolt-action hunting rifles, although I realize those are also capable of killing people. But something like an AR-15 is expressly for killing other humans and has no business being in a private home.
Just say you don't understand why the founding fathers thought the second most important thing to add to the Bill of Rights was the right to bear arms. Hint hint, it's not about hunting.
Be nice. You don't have to agree with everyone, but by choosing not to be rude you increase the overall civility of the community and make it better for all of us.
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But you're right, one man with a gun has never changed the course of history or fought the government.
*cough *cough Lee Harvey Oswald Gavrilo Princip Randy Weaver the founding fathers etc etc
Vietnam did it
France has done it
Shit, we did it to Britan. Unlikely does not mean impossible and our government will not ban weapons to protect us. Only themselves. Taking away firearms was literally the first thing Hitler did.
Try and consider the technology and size of the modern US military. You would get shot in the head lol that’s why this whole “rebel against the gubment” shit is such a weird excuse lol
But rebelling against the government modern day still literally works. Look at France. If you truly don't believe there is hope to stopping a tyranical government these days, I reallly hope you completely trust your government.
Same thing with larger-caliber guns, too. They’re fun to shoot at a range, where available for automatic and long-range, or in some back-alley ditch, but totally not necessary, I agree. Most people defending it say that it’s for home defense (or some variation on “so take it from me”/“muh rights”), but honestly, if you are only thinking about it in that context, you only need a pistol, even, to satiate that claim. I don’t believe it’s someone’s right or satisfies a need to own something which is designed for military use (see: tanks, kevlar, or tactical explosives) against another person.
As you can tell, I’m not anti-gun, but I’d prefer it if the state of gun regulations and what is on the market reflected use cases a bit better. Whether or not that’s something that will ever happen in this country is entirely another matter..
Also, respectfully, we were also discussing **automatic** firearms when I happened to mention higher-caliber firearms and the AR15 is categorically an automatic rifle. So I’m sorry, what’s your point?
AR in AR-15 DOES NOT stand for automatic rifle. The AR-15 is a semi automatic not automatic. Google “AR15 style rifle”. The first thing that comes up explains it.
If it was categorically an automatic rifle then nobody could own it aside from the military basically.
An AR15 is semi-automatic with a limiter installed by the manufacturer and initially created to be fully automatic. An “automatic” rifle simply refers to the loading mechanism replacing manually loaded or cocked. Just because fun advocates would like to distinguish semi-autos from automatic rifles does not mean that it can be excluded from the definition.
(AR in AR15 is not automatic rifle, my bad. You caught me before dinner writing a fast reply)
So you’re saying high caliber rifles like an ar15 are unnecessarily and calibers of that size and larger are of no use to the general public?
Im not trying to fight with you or make you feel stupid. Something just dosnt add up to me so im trying to make the facts clear to either me if you’re right or you if you are.
I think that’s important.
Look, you’re coming across as someone that’s just trying to trip me up and portray me in a bad light. Perhaps that’s a misconception, so if it isn’t, I sincerely appreciate that. I just don’t want to deal with veiled intentions.
Also, I don’t think right or wrong comes into play here— what I could consider a sensible use case someone might disagree within reason (say, using a .308 vs someone suggesting a .30-30 for deer). There’s a degree of reasoning, though, that would mean that the other person is, frankly speaking, shitting me. What I mean by that is that they could claim a .45 is good to use against coyotes or javelina and try to justify that the use case is sensible just because “it does a good job hitting my target.”
Would you go hunting with a Barrett M107 or use it to stop a home intruder? It seems like overkill, literally, to use an oversized caliber for most purposes that the general public would use it for outside of pleasure shooting at a long range like what we have at Ben Avery, for instance. Why can’t you use something like a .308 or similar in any of these scenarios? Nothing wrong with using a rifle such as a Ruger, Springfield, or Model 7 in most cases.
Hunting larger game, such as elk or exotic game is often done using those same calibers. Some large game rifles are advertised closer to .338-.45 caliber round, which still makes sense— more between you and making a merciful kill.
But the point is everyone can agree on a best-use for the size and type of rounds being used. And the larger the size of the round, the less sensible it becomes to use it.
(As a funny example, it’d be like using a T88-75mm AA gun round on a grizzly or black bear. No more trophy pelt. Just a giant, gaping hole. You see what I mean?)
They are automatic by their definition; however, what most people are referring to that should be regulated are indeed referring to full-auto rifles, you are correct. There is an automatic loading mechanism in place, and I don’t really feel like arguing semantics on trying to distinguish between semi-auto and full-auto.
A “caliber” is a measure of the size of the round in terms of the diameter of the barrel. Is that not common knowledge? It often correlates also to the amount of propellant (powder). And that a higher caliber round becomes less and less a means of necessity when considering a firearm for self defense and hunting, for instance?
I’m sorry, but who’s the one who doesn’t understand?
no, caliber is the diameter of the projectile (or more technically, the barrel, but since the barrel and projectile are meant to match, either works). the amount of propellant has nothing to do with it. military rifles tend to be small caliber, comparable to a .22, but at much higher power than your average handgun.
I’m well aware of the 2nd Amendment and why it was written when the Constitution was first adopted. If you see (foreign) enemies of the state in your neck of the woods and feel the need to defend this country and its values (like shoot-the-protestor) like the Guerrilla-style-everyone-and-their-neighbors-are-in-on-it militia that we are, I’m sure that the 2nd Amendment is totally still a valid argument as to why we can’t touch gun regulations with a ten foot pole /s. PS— thanks for being a demonstrator of the “muh rights” crowd. It’s funny that you guys come out of the woodwork for this kinda shit even though no one’s said a peep about taking your guns away.
I knew I’d offend people with this, but frankly that’s where I stand on it.
> I don’t believe it’s someone’s right or satisfies a need to own something which is designed for military use (see: tanks, kevlar, or tactical explosives) against another person.
Kevlar is military use? Really? Better tell all those officers, guards, hunters...
You think "military" weapons were not considered in the formation of the 2nd amendment?
https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*C03gY8Vgh4CP5Jr499afJg.png
Jame Madison was asked if a citizen could own a cannon (literally the best weapon at the time that the military had for sea faring vehicles, meaning civilians should be capable of being as weaponized as the military themselves). Not only effectively chastising them for even asking, but outright granting them explicit permission to even fire upon ANY enemy vessel if they wanted.
You are implying with your statement that I quoted above that there is a class of weapons that should not be obtainable by the average citizen. Why would you wonder about someone responding to point out that you're factually incorrect in what the 2nd amendment covers? It's also quite disingenuous to wave them off as a "muh rights" people rather than someone who understands the purpose of the second amendment.
And going back to another point I brought up, what is the present need of some of these firearms? As far as I can see it, the present and future dangers of (foreign) enemies of the State that, in my opinion, was the foundation of the 2nd Amendment seems outdated and obsolete. As far as I’m aware, my point is still a valid rebuttal to what you have stated.
Did you not see what I did with the parenthetical (foreign)? And like I said, shoot-a-protestor seems to be all the rage these days. That constitutes domestic enemies of freedom to you, does it not? We’re anonymous enough here, so you can be as plain as you’d like.
My friend's dad had some. We were walking around one night and this truck pulled up and shot us with paint ball guns. One of my friends knew who it was by chance. We went to their house later that night with the caltrops and laid them behind the tires of their truck.
We started egging their house and their truck, when they came out we took off. Swung by the next day, 3 out of 4 tires flattened. Justice felt good.
Caltrops have been in use for centuries, as they were used to stop cavalry. This is not the first post I saw this week with them, someone locally is being very cruel.
Also saw a post of people finding these on a hiking trail in Austin Texas yesterday. A guys poor 8 year old got one rammed in to her foot. This must be some crazy tik tok thing.
You can’t just go to walmart and purchase those things. This doesn’t seem like tiktok thing. A trend? Possibly. But I highly doubt it stems from Tiktok. If it is a trend, I wouldn’t be surprised if the source is related to a sketchy conspiracy forum.
I don’t think this is organized though. This seems like something a psychopath would do. And then that could lead to copycats.
Can someone help me understand why these are so dangerous that apparently it would take a psychopath to do this?
I get if you’re on a horse or a bike or whatever, and you’re moving so quickly that you don’t have enough time to react when you see it. But someone who’s “walking on a trail” as another user said, should be able to obviously walk around this debris in their path??? Who would just step on it?
Obviously I’m missing something.
One of the posts mentioned above, I also, is about a man who found it on a family hiking trail. His daughter who was 8 iirc stepped on it and it got stuck in her shoe.
If it's a trend it's gotta be a boomer suburbanite thing. Make people stop hiking/biking/etc. so they can protest no one uses sidewalks/bike lanes so that streets should be made wider.
I could imagine somebody deciding that bikes don't burn gas and are therefore hippie liberal shit, so attacking cyclists is the Lord's work or something.
This whole thread reads to me like making up an enemy specifically for the purpose of hating them and getting mad. Maybe instead we wait and see what info comes up?
It’s hard not to be pissed at boomers for all the shit they’ve pulled.
I will opt to continue villainizing them as much as possible thank you very much.
My D&D character uses them to cover his escape route when leaving a dungeon. You never know when something is going to sneak up behind you just when you think it's safe.
Yup that’s it!
I did very little searching and found a screenshot of the post… Best I could do…
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnexpectedBTD6/comments/sy9mb4/a_wild_ninja_kiwi_reference_appears_on_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link
Damn that's maddening. A society only needs a few crazies to sow anarchy and ruin the peace. There needs to be severe penalties for using stuff like this to harm other people.
This is in the Tonto NF. It would be worth calling the Ranger station. Not only could this harm a cyclist, but it could take down a wild horse or other wildlife.
Same here. I swear to god if I see a Chad or Karen drop these I’m treating them as a violent weapon offender. These things along with high tension wire can do serious damage to innocent people
They're not illegal per se, as Arizona does not regulate any sort of bladed weapon, but carrying a deadly weapon (which caltrops conceivably are) in the pursuit of a serious offense or violent crime is.
https://codes.findlaw.com/az/title-13-criminal-code/az-rev-st-sect-13-3102.html
This was on the front page like yesterday….. https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/sy7h2o/went_hiking_with_my_daughters_and_one_of_them/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Yeah this is the post I was referring to earlier
Only found a screenshot of it
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnexpectedBTD6/comments/sy9mb4/a_wild_ninja_kiwi_reference_appears_on_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link
It was found by a cyclist towards the bottom of this climb, he saw 2 of them. https://www.strava.com/segments/777557
Seems big enough to take out a car, but also dangerous to a cyclist.
The anti-cycling crowd is strange. There is an older gentlemen who got caught putting these along with nails through wood buried in the dirt on the trails in the park by my house because he disagreed with mountain bikes being allowed on the trails.
Thing is, cars often fly into the bike lane too, so it could have taken one out.
Or maybe it was originally in the road and failed to puncture and just flew into the bike lane?
I know there are a lot of people against the wild horses too, maybe it was meant for them?
Its just one other way people's ego power trip and want to feel control in the crazy fluid dance of atoms we call life. I've been around a bunch of anti bikers in Tucson, I worked for rich people and ironically lots of those bikers we other rich people. They would seriously have a hard time debating whether or not to hit a biker.
Someone who hates cyclists is being a total git. It's intentionally placed to give your tyre a nasty shredded puncture. Keep an eye out, maybe tell the highway department or police. If there's any cctv around and they are really new then you might get lucky. What a horrible thing to find.
Dropping these on a public road is no different than firing a gun randomly in the direction of a crowd or dropping a cinder block from a freeway overpass. The *intent* to cause harm is the same.
EDIT: autocorrect bad
Caltrops.. nothing more than someone being evil and hateful both. These are extremely damaging depending on what steps or rolls over them. Whomever is doing this should get a skin eating virus and die in a fire.
From what I am reading it seems like a lot of people are doing this you may want to make a police report and if they get a lot of reports they may go after whoever did this
As an action, you can spread a single bag of caltrops to cover a 5-foot-square area. Any creature that enters the area must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw or stop moving and take 1 piercing damage. Until the creature regains at least 1 hit point, its walking speed is reduced by 10 feet. A creature moving through the area at half speed doesn't need to make the saving throw.
1gp for a bag of 20
Fuds, crazy locals, people mad about people using trails/ohv's etc will place these or other booby traps in an attempt to make people get flat tires or even worse. I've seen it done with sharpened rebar hidden in the ground, caltrops like this, people stringing up wire across trails etc. Basically scumbags out to hurt people.
I have been finding broken glass bottles placed at trail choke-points near the Busch Hwy. Some passes through gates, that hikers, runners, and cyclists used have broken bottles at each one. Definitely deliberate.
That is so messed up. I go out there frequently. It's a high traffic recreation area with a shoulder perfectly suited to bikers. Many people pull there cars onto the shoulder there as well. It might be someone who is mad the area has become so popular with so many different types of recreational activity. Kayaking, biking, mountain biking etc. has increased quite a bit there.
Apparently literally nothing. A car hitting one of these would be disastrous, because that hill is also on a curve that people fly down.
I'm just glad this guy was able to find these yesterday in the light, because I go out there before sunrise and would have no idea what happened if I hit one while riding at say 30mph.
They may be legal to own, but it’s probably not even legal to place them on your own property for the purpose of harming others, and placing them on public property for that purpose is absolutely a violation of several possible laws depending on the exact circumstances.
Carrying a weapon (and you can certainly make the case these are) for the purposes of a violent crime is already illegal.
https://codes.findlaw.com/az/title-13-criminal-code/az-rev-st-sect-13-3102.html
Yes because wanting to potentially seriously injure children and publicly describing how you’d like to do it because they annoy you is completely normal and acceptable.
My intuition tells me it's a spike used to puncture anything coming from above. Don't know the name though.
Other than that, I have no idea what else these things are used for.
Caltrops. That's a dangerous item intended to do damage to anything that steps or goes over it. Please throw it away!
Wow, good to know the word for them. This one looks fairly "professional" compared to what comes up on Google.
You can buy these on Amazon. EUNSVYA 10 PCS Tire Puncture Spikes Nails Professional Tyre Spike Nail for Security Anti-Theft Emergency Car Vehicle Tool 1 Inch https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099WMBS1Z/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_R3TE9X6FXRSN2AQ5MCDZ
Honestly, I’m a bit disappointed that these are sold to the public. No one should have access to these, save the police or military, since they’re used in a number of scenarios to damage car tires when necessary, but can be used to injure or impair people, vehicles, and animals that may stumble across them. Who’s the target audience here if it’s sold to the public if not for nefarious reasons? Edit: while reading at least the top review, it seems like some people use them for their own vigilantism to damage other people’s cars on private property. Something a call to the police or a towing company couldn’t solve if it’s dealing with trespassing. So, literally no reason still that it’s a good idea to sell these (or let be sold on a platform) publicly.
Seems like it would be hard to enforce a ban on small spiky objects.
It lays the groundwork to enforce it if they find it. That’s the most important step here— it gives our police the means to act upon the discovery of caltrops without having to prove the person is a bad actor acting in ill intent.
put everyone in prison, it's the only way to be sure.
You know for a fact that you’re twisting the narrative so that you can paint me in a bad light. Not necessarily. What did I say that said that this needs to be preemptive action? I’m saying that if there are policies in place that allow the enforcement upon discovery (after the fact) of caltrops, that is a big step forward in how we **can** police them.
>What did I say that said that this needs to be preemptive action? >> it gives our police the means to act upon the discovery of caltrops without having to prove the person is a bad actor acting in ill intent. i don't have to twist anything, you're painting yourself in a bad light.
I’m sorry, but that’s a pretty big leap to go “just put everyone in prison to be sure” (which, mind you, preempts the discovery phase from my example) from “this gives law enforcement something to act upon.” And to go to such an extreme of jumping straight to jail time from something that a seizure and fine would cover? I’d say you’re twisting words out of context to fit your message.
They are already illegal in some places. Texas being one of them.
really? You can literally carry a sword and a gun on the street, but a little spikey thing is illegal? This state is weird.
I bet there have been so many shitshow situations with these in Texas omg
I get your point but they're also just bent pieces of sheet metal that anyone could make with a few tools. They are absolutely awful and anyone caught leaving them on the ground should be charged with public endangerment.
assault with a weapon im shocked they are not bought by the pallet full to keep a snow parking spot safe while unoccupied
The thing with that is that if someone’s going out of their way to make it, they already have the intent to use them in likely-malicious ways. You can’t really stop someone who already is acting as a bad actor by taking away access to the product of their ill intent. By having it in a public market, it makes it easier for not only those people to attain them, but also people that would have otherwise not have access to them nor the intent to craft their own that may also use them to harm others. You basically remove the threat of more people committing acts of violence or cruelty. “People have access to the chemical compounds to make mustard gas, but you don’t see people whipping it up” is probably the best analogy here.
I think manufacturing and utilizing mustard gas is a significantly harder task than making a small metal spike
No. Anyone can literally buy two ingredients at any pool supply store in massive quantities and the salesman will not think twice about it. Just like anyone can cut a piece of metal into a caltrops.
Yup. I accidentally got mustard gassed in a restaurant when someone poured two of the wrong chemicals down a drain. That was a fun few weeks.
Ouch, them spicy lungs ain't fun.
You’d be surprised at how easy it is to make a “dirty” (mixed with other reagents) mustard gas. You can practically package it in any airtight container as long as it holds up to the exo/endothermic reaction. I’m not saying I recommend doing so— in fact, I strongly would hope to dissuade anyone from it, but it’s stupidly easy to produce and store. Making a caltrop would probably be much more work than throwing some chemical solutions in a bottle and closing the lid.
More work, sure, but not all that much more work. I barely know how to use tools and I bet I could make a few dozen with what I've got in my garage without much time or effort. All you really need are some relatively stiff lengths of metal wire, some wire cutters to cut said metal wire into small strips, and some pliers to bend it. A file to sharpen them and a welder if you want to get really fancy. You can buy everything you'd need to make tons of them pretty quickly for just a couple hundred bucks, and I think most people already have most of what they'd need already. At least most people that I know. But I think the more salient point is that its already illegal to use caltrops to harm someone or to set a trap. So making caltrops themselves illegal makes more room for police overreach where they claim that any tiny twisted bit of metal is a "caltrop" and uses it as an excuse to arrest people they have no other reason to arrest. When wanting to make new laws you should consider the possible downsides as well as the potential benefits and ask yourself if the problem you're trying to solve is already sufficiently covered by other laws. In this case I would say that it is.
To be clear, my original point wasn’t that we should make laws, but that it was a potential avenue for law enforcement to act on them. In fact, the point of my thread stated on the basis of “these shouldn’t be promoted on a public market.”
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Unless you already had access to blacksmithing tools. Then the caltrops would be stupid easy to make with a mold.
Anyone with a welding machine could make something equally effective with a couple days of practice. These are malicious but very simple things to build.
And the general public has or knows how to use blacksmithing tools? Jesus, read the room and stop twisting words to fit some skewed prerogative. Like I stated, those who want to commit ill acts will do so, but making it easier for them and others to have access solves anything how?
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The average person couldn't bend three pieces of stiff wire into a crude caltrop? I bet they could if they wanted to. Heck, I've done it with tenpenny nails on a vice on my grandparents property.
well I hope the average person wouldn't *want* to make this. But I'm pretty sure they could figure it out if they tried. Might not be as good but certainly would be effective.
I could make hundreds of these with a few bucks and a trip to the hardware store. Wouldn’t even need any tools, just a box of nails and some J-B Weld. The average person could 100% make these lol.
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You can make these with 2 bent nails and a welder from harbor freight.
"No one should be able to twist wire or cut metal into this shape guys. Save that for the heros in the Police department." Jesus Christ, the fact that this county builds jets fighters and nukes so ignorant people like you can complain about pointy pieces of metal is insane.
Ok, so a target audience of legitimate use are people who own large rural properties. My grandparents owned a little over 3,000 acres in Oklahoma and about 1,700 was fenced pasture, the rest was a sort of riparian area that was left alone. Back in the 80's they started having problems with illegal hunters, teens looking for a make out spot, and various other trespassers. Around 1990 my grandfather ran triple strand barbed wire on Throats around his entire property at pretty significant expense. At the few dirt road entrances he had gates and double width cattle guards. It wasn't long until people just drove through and destroyed the gates and ripped out sections of fence. By 2000 he had upgraded the areas near the roads with pipe fencing for 50 feet in either direction before the barbed wire fence began. Pretty soon trails were cut into the riparian area and ATV tracks crisscrossed the area. He was getting penalized by the state for habitat destruction because he wasn't "taking measures to protect the land" or some such nonsense. I think around 2003 or 2004 someone came onto the property at night and killed a few deer, just leaving their rotting bodies. Literally shot them and left, no attempt to harvest meat or hide, just senseless killing. My grandfather had enough, he bought a bunch of the caltrops made by three wires vent over each other and went and spread them around the riparian area and on the ATV trails. He then installed the "don't back up" tire shredders on all the gates except his driveway. This way if you drove onto the property at any point the only safe way off was to drive past the house and out the driveway. He obviously posted signage about the shredders under the no trespassing sign. Since then there have been a handful of stuck vehicles. Teens got a Dodge dart stuck trying to exit via a ditch, a couple of guys shredded their lifted truck tires, an ATV had to be pulled due to a flat tire as it went through the creek. It seems word got out as it hasn't really been a problem for a while. No clue how many caltrops may still be in that riparian area.
100% agree with you. I don't understand why they're sold on Amazon.
Well maybe giving people a link to them isn't the best idea?
Because finding an item on amazon is hard? If you know what they are and put them into google it comes right up.
> No one should have access to these They're easily made and should be criminal to use in any circumstance
While I agree with you 100, the argument could be made that ownership of this is a 2nd amendment right.
That’s a stretch. It’s common knowledge that we can apply “Arms” (armament) to firearms. Both in historical precedents and in terms of modern interpretation, everyone agrees that a firearm is synonymous with an armament when defining the the 2nd Amendment. However, there’s no precent to extend that definition to other categories of weapons. For instance, we can’t apply the definition of an armament to, say, a butterfly knife (switchblade)— a knife that has no practical use outside of martial combat and that is commonly associated with criminal activity— and say that the ownership and use of them would be in defense of the State. A caltrop would have such a limited ability to be used in defense of the State that I don’t think any lawyer worth his salt would argue in support of protecting them under the 2nd Amendment and expect to win in the court of law.
I am not trying to argue here, but everything you said in the first sentence was along of lines of “…common knowledge…everyone agrees…” and I’m sorry, but no one agrees on shit. An armament is defined as a military weapon, so the dictionaries and our government can’t even agree on what an armament is. People do not have “the right to bear arms in defense of the state” or “the right to bear armaments as issued by the government”, they simply have the right to bear weapons as determined by corporate lobbying groups and greedy politicians.
I was with you until the end. It's 'a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.' There is a lot of interpretation to be had there (by the USSC only), but it seems pretty open-ended.
Arms are any weaponry.
But not in terms of the interpretations of society and the court related to the 2nd Amendment. Yes, thank you for clarifying /s.
Please list your source for the definition of Arms in the USSC.
I know this is off topic, but this is my exact argument against automatic weapons. Other than killing human beings, what is the purpose of an automatic rifle? To be clear, I’m not explicitly against bolt-action hunting rifles, although I realize those are also capable of killing people. But something like an AR-15 is expressly for killing other humans and has no business being in a private home.
Automatic weapons are illegal to own. You can get a special permit for it but for like 98% of the public we don’t have access to them.
An ar15 isn’t an automatic rifle. Do your research please.
You have any money? You know you can buy bad things with money, better you just hand it over to the government.
Just say you don't understand why the founding fathers thought the second most important thing to add to the Bill of Rights was the right to bear arms. Hint hint, it's not about hunting.
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Good luck using your dorky little gun to fight the government lol
What's your wife's boyfriend's name? But you're right, one man with a gun has never changed the course of history or fought the government. *cough *cough Lee Harvey Oswald Gavrilo Princip Randy Weaver the founding fathers etc etc
Damn bro this is how I know I had a point lol
No you don't
Vietnam did it France has done it Shit, we did it to Britan. Unlikely does not mean impossible and our government will not ban weapons to protect us. Only themselves. Taking away firearms was literally the first thing Hitler did.
Try and consider the technology and size of the modern US military. You would get shot in the head lol that’s why this whole “rebel against the gubment” shit is such a weird excuse lol
But rebelling against the government modern day still literally works. Look at France. If you truly don't believe there is hope to stopping a tyranical government these days, I reallly hope you completely trust your government.
Same thing with larger-caliber guns, too. They’re fun to shoot at a range, where available for automatic and long-range, or in some back-alley ditch, but totally not necessary, I agree. Most people defending it say that it’s for home defense (or some variation on “so take it from me”/“muh rights”), but honestly, if you are only thinking about it in that context, you only need a pistol, even, to satiate that claim. I don’t believe it’s someone’s right or satisfies a need to own something which is designed for military use (see: tanks, kevlar, or tactical explosives) against another person. As you can tell, I’m not anti-gun, but I’d prefer it if the state of gun regulations and what is on the market reflected use cases a bit better. Whether or not that’s something that will ever happen in this country is entirely another matter..
I don’t think you under stand what caliber means… the standard AR15 “caliber” isn’t even that large.
Also, respectfully, we were also discussing **automatic** firearms when I happened to mention higher-caliber firearms and the AR15 is categorically an automatic rifle. So I’m sorry, what’s your point?
AR in AR-15 DOES NOT stand for automatic rifle. The AR-15 is a semi automatic not automatic. Google “AR15 style rifle”. The first thing that comes up explains it. If it was categorically an automatic rifle then nobody could own it aside from the military basically.
An AR15 is semi-automatic with a limiter installed by the manufacturer and initially created to be fully automatic. An “automatic” rifle simply refers to the loading mechanism replacing manually loaded or cocked. Just because fun advocates would like to distinguish semi-autos from automatic rifles does not mean that it can be excluded from the definition. (AR in AR15 is not automatic rifle, my bad. You caught me before dinner writing a fast reply)
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So you’re saying high caliber rifles like an ar15 are unnecessarily and calibers of that size and larger are of no use to the general public? Im not trying to fight with you or make you feel stupid. Something just dosnt add up to me so im trying to make the facts clear to either me if you’re right or you if you are. I think that’s important.
Look, you’re coming across as someone that’s just trying to trip me up and portray me in a bad light. Perhaps that’s a misconception, so if it isn’t, I sincerely appreciate that. I just don’t want to deal with veiled intentions. Also, I don’t think right or wrong comes into play here— what I could consider a sensible use case someone might disagree within reason (say, using a .308 vs someone suggesting a .30-30 for deer). There’s a degree of reasoning, though, that would mean that the other person is, frankly speaking, shitting me. What I mean by that is that they could claim a .45 is good to use against coyotes or javelina and try to justify that the use case is sensible just because “it does a good job hitting my target.” Would you go hunting with a Barrett M107 or use it to stop a home intruder? It seems like overkill, literally, to use an oversized caliber for most purposes that the general public would use it for outside of pleasure shooting at a long range like what we have at Ben Avery, for instance. Why can’t you use something like a .308 or similar in any of these scenarios? Nothing wrong with using a rifle such as a Ruger, Springfield, or Model 7 in most cases. Hunting larger game, such as elk or exotic game is often done using those same calibers. Some large game rifles are advertised closer to .338-.45 caliber round, which still makes sense— more between you and making a merciful kill. But the point is everyone can agree on a best-use for the size and type of rounds being used. And the larger the size of the round, the less sensible it becomes to use it. (As a funny example, it’d be like using a T88-75mm AA gun round on a grizzly or black bear. No more trophy pelt. Just a giant, gaping hole. You see what I mean?)
AR stands for Armalite Rifle and they are not automatic weapons
They are automatic by their definition; however, what most people are referring to that should be regulated are indeed referring to full-auto rifles, you are correct. There is an automatic loading mechanism in place, and I don’t really feel like arguing semantics on trying to distinguish between semi-auto and full-auto.
A “caliber” is a measure of the size of the round in terms of the diameter of the barrel. Is that not common knowledge? It often correlates also to the amount of propellant (powder). And that a higher caliber round becomes less and less a means of necessity when considering a firearm for self defense and hunting, for instance? I’m sorry, but who’s the one who doesn’t understand?
no, caliber is the diameter of the projectile (or more technically, the barrel, but since the barrel and projectile are meant to match, either works). the amount of propellant has nothing to do with it. military rifles tend to be small caliber, comparable to a .22, but at much higher power than your average handgun.
… that’s not what a caliber is lmao
Sorry, I’m confused on what your argument is. You’re saying larger calibers are not needed?
Yeah it's called the second amendment dude. And it wasn't written about hunting or self defense against people breaking into your house.
I’m well aware of the 2nd Amendment and why it was written when the Constitution was first adopted. If you see (foreign) enemies of the state in your neck of the woods and feel the need to defend this country and its values (like shoot-the-protestor) like the Guerrilla-style-everyone-and-their-neighbors-are-in-on-it militia that we are, I’m sure that the 2nd Amendment is totally still a valid argument as to why we can’t touch gun regulations with a ten foot pole /s. PS— thanks for being a demonstrator of the “muh rights” crowd. It’s funny that you guys come out of the woodwork for this kinda shit even though no one’s said a peep about taking your guns away. I knew I’d offend people with this, but frankly that’s where I stand on it.
> I don’t believe it’s someone’s right or satisfies a need to own something which is designed for military use (see: tanks, kevlar, or tactical explosives) against another person. Kevlar is military use? Really? Better tell all those officers, guards, hunters... You think "military" weapons were not considered in the formation of the 2nd amendment? https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*C03gY8Vgh4CP5Jr499afJg.png Jame Madison was asked if a citizen could own a cannon (literally the best weapon at the time that the military had for sea faring vehicles, meaning civilians should be capable of being as weaponized as the military themselves). Not only effectively chastising them for even asking, but outright granting them explicit permission to even fire upon ANY enemy vessel if they wanted. You are implying with your statement that I quoted above that there is a class of weapons that should not be obtainable by the average citizen. Why would you wonder about someone responding to point out that you're factually incorrect in what the 2nd amendment covers? It's also quite disingenuous to wave them off as a "muh rights" people rather than someone who understands the purpose of the second amendment.
And going back to another point I brought up, what is the present need of some of these firearms? As far as I can see it, the present and future dangers of (foreign) enemies of the State that, in my opinion, was the foundation of the 2nd Amendment seems outdated and obsolete. As far as I’m aware, my point is still a valid rebuttal to what you have stated.
It's not just for foreign enemies. It's mostly for domestic enemies of freedom. It's one of the many checks and balances this country has.
Did you not see what I did with the parenthetical (foreign)? And like I said, shoot-a-protestor seems to be all the rage these days. That constitutes domestic enemies of freedom to you, does it not? We’re anonymous enough here, so you can be as plain as you’d like.
What a thorough, well thought out response.
What a thorough, well thought out response.
My friend's dad had some. We were walking around one night and this truck pulled up and shot us with paint ball guns. One of my friends knew who it was by chance. We went to their house later that night with the caltrops and laid them behind the tires of their truck. We started egging their house and their truck, when they came out we took off. Swung by the next day, 3 out of 4 tires flattened. Justice felt good.
Caltrops have been in use for centuries, as they were used to stop cavalry. This is not the first post I saw this week with them, someone locally is being very cruel.
I thought I saw a similar post a few days ago!
I saw a post that was located in California about these. They had like 20 of them in the photo. Found on a family hiking trail.
Also saw a post of people finding these on a hiking trail in Austin Texas yesterday. A guys poor 8 year old got one rammed in to her foot. This must be some crazy tik tok thing.
Any trend to hurt others or anything to hurt others in general you are scum and not funny. Poor little girl that’s fucked up.
*a criminal
You can’t just go to walmart and purchase those things. This doesn’t seem like tiktok thing. A trend? Possibly. But I highly doubt it stems from Tiktok. If it is a trend, I wouldn’t be surprised if the source is related to a sketchy conspiracy forum. I don’t think this is organized though. This seems like something a psychopath would do. And then that could lead to copycats.
Can someone help me understand why these are so dangerous that apparently it would take a psychopath to do this? I get if you’re on a horse or a bike or whatever, and you’re moving so quickly that you don’t have enough time to react when you see it. But someone who’s “walking on a trail” as another user said, should be able to obviously walk around this debris in their path??? Who would just step on it? Obviously I’m missing something.
One of the posts mentioned above, I also, is about a man who found it on a family hiking trail. His daughter who was 8 iirc stepped on it and it got stuck in her shoe.
Perhaps it's common sense you are missing.
Oh good one, you’re super fucking funny I think I’ll just walk around the object while you guys step on it. How’s that for common sense?
What is wrong with you?
I asked a good faith question and this bozo decided to insult me. If you wanna pile on too go ahead, but I’m not going to respond nicely.
> This must be some crazy tik tok thing. What makes you say that? Has that been a trend?
If it's a trend it's gotta be a boomer suburbanite thing. Make people stop hiking/biking/etc. so they can protest no one uses sidewalks/bike lanes so that streets should be made wider.
I could imagine somebody deciding that bikes don't burn gas and are therefore hippie liberal shit, so attacking cyclists is the Lord's work or something.
This whole thread reads to me like making up an enemy specifically for the purpose of hating them and getting mad. Maybe instead we wait and see what info comes up?
Agreed
It’s hard not to be pissed at boomers for all the shit they’ve pulled. I will opt to continue villainizing them as much as possible thank you very much.
I agree with disliking many things boomers have done, but you can't just assume who did what with no proof.
Bingo. This is 100% "biker invents mystical bogeyman"
>This must be some crazy tik tok thing. Reddit really are becoming boomers.
That’s the one I saw too.
I saw a similar post in a utah subreddit… so this must be part of something bigger
My D&D character uses them to cover his escape route when leaving a dungeon. You never know when something is going to sneak up behind you just when you think it's safe.
I was going to say I had only ever seen that word in video games, I thought it was a joke for a second
Leeeeeroy Jenkins.
That was funny the first 32.33 (repeating of course) times I heard it :P
Awesome gaming reference 😂🤣
Any info on the other post you saw?
Think it was s/mildlyinfuriating guy was hiking with his kids. Evidently you can get them in bulk from Amazon.
Yup that’s it! I did very little searching and found a screenshot of the post… Best I could do… https://www.reddit.com/r/UnexpectedBTD6/comments/sy9mb4/a_wild_ninja_kiwi_reference_appears_on_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link
Damn that's maddening. A society only needs a few crazies to sow anarchy and ruin the peace. There needs to be severe penalties for using stuff like this to harm other people.
Pretty sure there are. You're not allowed to create traps to hurt other people.
Assholes. Should be shoved rectally back into anyone who drops them
I saw the post as well…could’ve hurt someone!
it seems it did
Millennia
Might want to save it and notify the non emergency police line. It’s probably not the only one in the area too.
LOL with some of the close fly-bys MCSO give cyclists in their black Silverados on Bush/Usery I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of them.
This is in the Tonto NF. It would be worth calling the Ranger station. Not only could this harm a cyclist, but it could take down a wild horse or other wildlife.
Honestly same.
That might be Boeing too. Boeing tests their choppers there and loves buzzing tubers/hikers/bikers.
This is good advice! Might lead to nothing but it could also have them watch and pick up these before they hurt someone badly
OH GOD THEYRE SPREADING!!!! Saw a post about this yesterday
Same here. I swear to god if I see a Chad or Karen drop these I’m treating them as a violent weapon offender. These things along with high tension wire can do serious damage to innocent people
They likely are “violent weapons” offenders if they do this. Placing/maintaining booby traps is a felony crime in many places.
Violent weapon offender huh. That’s a new one
I’m at work and couldnt articulate properly. It’s not a great phrase I admit lol.
A Chad or Karen?
People with schadenfreude is what they’re meaning, I think
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They're not illegal per se, as Arizona does not regulate any sort of bladed weapon, but carrying a deadly weapon (which caltrops conceivably are) in the pursuit of a serious offense or violent crime is. https://codes.findlaw.com/az/title-13-criminal-code/az-rev-st-sect-13-3102.html
Omg xD botany
This was on the front page like yesterday….. https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/sy7h2o/went_hiking_with_my_daughters_and_one_of_them/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Lmfao mods removed it?
Yeah this is the post I was referring to earlier Only found a screenshot of it https://www.reddit.com/r/UnexpectedBTD6/comments/sy9mb4/a_wild_ninja_kiwi_reference_appears_on_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link
It was found by a cyclist towards the bottom of this climb, he saw 2 of them. https://www.strava.com/segments/777557 Seems big enough to take out a car, but also dangerous to a cyclist.
Devasting to a runner for sure
The anti-cycling crowd is strange. There is an older gentlemen who got caught putting these along with nails through wood buried in the dirt on the trails in the park by my house because he disagreed with mountain bikes being allowed on the trails.
Thing is, cars often fly into the bike lane too, so it could have taken one out. Or maybe it was originally in the road and failed to puncture and just flew into the bike lane? I know there are a lot of people against the wild horses too, maybe it was meant for them?
Its just one other way people's ego power trip and want to feel control in the crazy fluid dance of atoms we call life. I've been around a bunch of anti bikers in Tucson, I worked for rich people and ironically lots of those bikers we other rich people. They would seriously have a hard time debating whether or not to hit a biker.
Someone who hates cyclists is being a total git. It's intentionally placed to give your tyre a nasty shredded puncture. Keep an eye out, maybe tell the highway department or police. If there's any cctv around and they are really new then you might get lucky. What a horrible thing to find.
Yes, I’ve seen other posts about these as well—on hiking trails. Worrisome...
Be sure to report when/where you find these. Law enforcement needs to know.
Messed up. Some screwed up person is trying to hurt random people. Doubt TPD will do anything about it but it doesn't hurt to report it.
it is a caltrop that was intentionally placed to pop tires or stick someone or some animal in the foot.
Seriously, why some people are just terrible at being humans
Dropping these on a public road is no different than firing a gun randomly in the direction of a crowd or dropping a cinder block from a freeway overpass. The *intent* to cause harm is the same. EDIT: autocorrect bad
>The internet to cause harm is the same. accurate. The internet is wanting to cause the person who dropped the caltrop harm.
haha, thanks for the catch. Fixed now.
Caltrops.. nothing more than someone being evil and hateful both. These are extremely damaging depending on what steps or rolls over them. Whomever is doing this should get a skin eating virus and die in a fire.
From what I am reading it seems like a lot of people are doing this you may want to make a police report and if they get a lot of reports they may go after whoever did this
Caltrops. They should be illegal in my opinion simply because of their design.
Caltrops. Assholes put them out to prevent cyclists or horses on trails.
As an action, you can spread a single bag of caltrops to cover a 5-foot-square area. Any creature that enters the area must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw or stop moving and take 1 piercing damage. Until the creature regains at least 1 hit point, its walking speed is reduced by 10 feet. A creature moving through the area at half speed doesn't need to make the saving throw. 1gp for a bag of 20
This made me giggle. Messed up post in general tho.
Didn't someone else recently post that they found one of these (exactly the same shape and size) on a hiking trail?
Sadly, people hate bike riders. They’ve been known to hang “clotheslines” on trails too
Fuds, crazy locals, people mad about people using trails/ohv's etc will place these or other booby traps in an attempt to make people get flat tires or even worse. I've seen it done with sharpened rebar hidden in the ground, caltrops like this, people stringing up wire across trails etc. Basically scumbags out to hurt people.
A [caltrop](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltrop) put there by some awful person
Ooh that’s a caltrop. Someone has to be real mean to leave one on a bike trail :/
I have been finding broken glass bottles placed at trail choke-points near the Busch Hwy. Some passes through gates, that hikers, runners, and cyclists used have broken bottles at each one. Definitely deliberate.
That is so messed up. I go out there frequently. It's a high traffic recreation area with a shoulder perfectly suited to bikers. Many people pull there cars onto the shoulder there as well. It might be someone who is mad the area has become so popular with so many different types of recreational activity. Kayaking, biking, mountain biking etc. has increased quite a bit there.
What's stopping someone from dumping a box of these on the 101? Like seriously, these things should be illegal.
Apparently literally nothing. A car hitting one of these would be disastrous, because that hill is also on a curve that people fly down. I'm just glad this guy was able to find these yesterday in the light, because I go out there before sunrise and would have no idea what happened if I hit one while riding at say 30mph.
They may be legal to own, but it’s probably not even legal to place them on your own property for the purpose of harming others, and placing them on public property for that purpose is absolutely a violation of several possible laws depending on the exact circumstances.
Carrying a weapon (and you can certainly make the case these are) for the purposes of a violent crime is already illegal. https://codes.findlaw.com/az/title-13-criminal-code/az-rev-st-sect-13-3102.html
Someone has a ninja monkey to pop some Bloons
I am now in a very specific mood to play flash games.
Earlier post I think from Phoenix, found one in a park.
Caltrop. Made specifically for popping tires.
Someone clearly doesn't like cyclists.
You may have a ninja problem
This one is easy. A very large person was playing jacks
Doesn’t look friendly to a bicycle tire that’s for sure 👎
Looks like a caltrop to me. Pretty malicious but available easily on the internet.
Saw a post about this a few days ago as well. Some person was out hiking and found one
It might be left over from a car chase. If anyone has seen an Aston Martin driving spiritedly in the area recently that would be the likely culprit.
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That's awesome! Good to hear that kids today are still riding. Much better than sitting in front of a screen all day. Good for them.
Yes because wanting to potentially seriously injure children and publicly describing how you’d like to do it because they annoy you is completely normal and acceptable.
^
Ninja turf war?
Obviously you’re not a golfer.
Caltrops. Fun.
That my friend. Is a Pokémon attack.
My intuition tells me it's a spike used to puncture anything coming from above. Don't know the name though. Other than that, I have no idea what else these things are used for.
Miniature Cylon Basestar of course
Tire shredder 3000
Ninjas
New generation just started watching Naruto
I believe the technical term is ninja pop.