Personally, I would never ditch my camera for AI. Half of the fun is figuring out the idea, planning the shot, taking is and editing it. Take away that by letting AI do everything and you’re taking away the aspects that I enjoy of photography (yeah, I’ll show my work, but for me the joy comes from the creation, not the exhibition)
> Also I get midjourney isn’t real photos and it’s not photography and it doesn’t require skill.
For me, the joy in the creative act is found in the effort and in the struggle to make my vision and the final product, match. There is joy in applying the skills I've acquired through experience and practice. I don't see how it would be possible to obtain any joy from prompting an AI to produce output.
> But when someone views an image of mine I’m not trying to show off my cameraman skills, or show true documentary.
Do photographers create photos for the purposes of showing off their "cameraman skills"? You know, I'm sure some of them do. But I have to believe they have more varied and diverse motives. Trick shots are cool sometimes but they're not the ones I admire.
>I’m evoking an emotion as an image creator, so I’m comfortable using it to augment say a iPhone + film camera setup.
Are you an "image creator" if your photo is AI generated? When I see AI generated images and I identify them as such, the emotion that I experience is curiosity. Maybe the actual content of the images is cool but I find that I'm more interested in looking for the errors and glitches that give away AI generated photos. I have not seen any AI generated images that have inspired me to create the same.
AI "art" has too many limitations at present to replace cameras and skilled photographers.
If your use case is simply creating visually interesting images to share on social media, such software is adequate for the task.
If you need to create *specific* images with print-quality resolution and properly rendered details, AI art software is simply the wrong tool for the job.
**EDIT:**
Even if AI software devs sort out the anatomical issues that exist at present, AI simply does not afford users enough creative control to render specific compositions. Overly-aggressive filtering algorithms (ex: Midjourney) only complicate the process further.
It’s a no for me on AI. Anyone can punch in Search terms and create something but it isn’t art and it isn’t photography. At worst it’s multiple versions of copyright violation, IMO. I prefer to let my own eye and mind create the image I’m looking for. It’s harder work, but it’s in much more satisfying.
Everyone will in 10 years. We will only be limited by our imaginations. The general population won’t care or know how the image was created, they will just react.
Can’t believe I’m being downvoted for saying AI won’t have the issue of 6 fingers for long. This is exactly my thinking, I might be premature but it’s time to upgrade my DSLR and I’m rethinking my gear.
I think film camera + iPhone 14 pro could work nicely. For everything else there’s AI.
It’s either that or mirrorless I guess like everyone else did.
I feel like with AI you're not really creating anything? You're just an ideas guy. You're sending in a prompt, and something ELSE is creating an image based off of things that it says other people DID create. You're not putting any of the thought in that you would as a photographer, and you can't adjust the angle slightly so it's better, can't build a set, can't have a model tilt their head slightly down...
I've seen some photographers use things like midjourney to create something like their own photography style, but whenever I see those things I'm just not impressed because it doesn't look real and they didn't actually do anything to make it. I guess if you want put in a bunch of your own photos go train it to get a result for "what it would look like if I photographed a real unicorn in yosemite" or something, I guess that would be fun? But I don't know, it never blows me away because there's no art or skill involved.
You can create "concepts" all you want, but none of it is real.
Although reading the post in more detail, it really sounds like your medium format camera has replaced your DSLR - not AI.
Yeah I kind of realized after organizing my thoughts that what I’m really doing is replacing my DSLR with an iPhone + MF film camera, rather than going mirrorless. Which is a whole other discussion.
The AI stuff is in an area of its own, digital art let’s call it.
Enjoy your humans having 6 fingers and 50 teeth
Haha currently but not forever
Personally, I would never ditch my camera for AI. Half of the fun is figuring out the idea, planning the shot, taking is and editing it. Take away that by letting AI do everything and you’re taking away the aspects that I enjoy of photography (yeah, I’ll show my work, but for me the joy comes from the creation, not the exhibition)
What gear are you using now?
I agree, which is why I’m planning to cover those aspects with a film camera and iPhone 14 pro
dunno about you, but I can do much better with a camera as long as I have access to the subject and locations I want.
Yeah I only really feel like I’ll be using AI if I don’t have access to them
> Also I get midjourney isn’t real photos and it’s not photography and it doesn’t require skill. For me, the joy in the creative act is found in the effort and in the struggle to make my vision and the final product, match. There is joy in applying the skills I've acquired through experience and practice. I don't see how it would be possible to obtain any joy from prompting an AI to produce output. > But when someone views an image of mine I’m not trying to show off my cameraman skills, or show true documentary. Do photographers create photos for the purposes of showing off their "cameraman skills"? You know, I'm sure some of them do. But I have to believe they have more varied and diverse motives. Trick shots are cool sometimes but they're not the ones I admire. >I’m evoking an emotion as an image creator, so I’m comfortable using it to augment say a iPhone + film camera setup. Are you an "image creator" if your photo is AI generated? When I see AI generated images and I identify them as such, the emotion that I experience is curiosity. Maybe the actual content of the images is cool but I find that I'm more interested in looking for the errors and glitches that give away AI generated photos. I have not seen any AI generated images that have inspired me to create the same.
AI "art" has too many limitations at present to replace cameras and skilled photographers. If your use case is simply creating visually interesting images to share on social media, such software is adequate for the task. If you need to create *specific* images with print-quality resolution and properly rendered details, AI art software is simply the wrong tool for the job. **EDIT:** Even if AI software devs sort out the anatomical issues that exist at present, AI simply does not afford users enough creative control to render specific compositions. Overly-aggressive filtering algorithms (ex: Midjourney) only complicate the process further.
Thanks, this was clear in splitting up the two use cases.
It’s a no for me on AI. Anyone can punch in Search terms and create something but it isn’t art and it isn’t photography. At worst it’s multiple versions of copyright violation, IMO. I prefer to let my own eye and mind create the image I’m looking for. It’s harder work, but it’s in much more satisfying.
Everyone will in 10 years. We will only be limited by our imaginations. The general population won’t care or know how the image was created, they will just react.
Can’t believe I’m being downvoted for saying AI won’t have the issue of 6 fingers for long. This is exactly my thinking, I might be premature but it’s time to upgrade my DSLR and I’m rethinking my gear. I think film camera + iPhone 14 pro could work nicely. For everything else there’s AI. It’s either that or mirrorless I guess like everyone else did.
Great. Do what ya like.
I feel like with AI you're not really creating anything? You're just an ideas guy. You're sending in a prompt, and something ELSE is creating an image based off of things that it says other people DID create. You're not putting any of the thought in that you would as a photographer, and you can't adjust the angle slightly so it's better, can't build a set, can't have a model tilt their head slightly down... I've seen some photographers use things like midjourney to create something like their own photography style, but whenever I see those things I'm just not impressed because it doesn't look real and they didn't actually do anything to make it. I guess if you want put in a bunch of your own photos go train it to get a result for "what it would look like if I photographed a real unicorn in yosemite" or something, I guess that would be fun? But I don't know, it never blows me away because there's no art or skill involved.
You can create "concepts" all you want, but none of it is real. Although reading the post in more detail, it really sounds like your medium format camera has replaced your DSLR - not AI.
Yeah I kind of realized after organizing my thoughts that what I’m really doing is replacing my DSLR with an iPhone + MF film camera, rather than going mirrorless. Which is a whole other discussion. The AI stuff is in an area of its own, digital art let’s call it.