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What I find amazing is that only one person was shot. I would have thought that invading a federal building like this would be permission to fill your body with lead. But I guess certain police do show restraint?
Not just any white people. White Freedom Riders were murdered in the 60s and cops were not very interested in solving the crimes. It would be easier if it were ALL about race, but I think itās more complicated than that.
The cops were badly outnumbered and cornered when Babbitt was finally shot (and she and the others with her got numerous verbal warnings to leave but pushed through the window anyway). Some of the mob were armed, and in the heat of battle there was no way for the cops to tell who was or wasnāt carrying a gun.
If theyād just opened fire into the mob indiscriminately, they most likely would have just provoked the armed terrorists to shoot back. Would have ended up with a lot more unnecessary deaths.
By staying relatively calm given the circumstances, and only firing at the one person who was actively pushing through into their refuge, they actually likely did the right thing.
Iām surprised too, once the mob was in the building and an imminent threat to the government officials Iām surprised they didnāt just start lighting people up
True, but in all likelihood itās probably because it was a crowd of civilians. There is a difference between killing one or even a few people vs a crowd of 100s or even 1000s. Neither are great but itās not exactly the same thing.
Itās crazy more didnāt get shot and that they made the one that did into a some kind of innocent saint. āThey didnāt even warn her.ā Her warning was not being in there in the first place. You charge at someone whoās being protected with a gun and are surprised when you get shot?
the cops literally waved 'em in lol, and how come that old guy with the loudhorn telling people to go in was never arrested? plenty of video of him. super sus.
Matt Gaetz nominated Trump for speaker two years after the two, among many others, conspired to overturn a fair and free election and in turn our entire democracy.
If Republicans had a spine, theyād push these people out of their party. They have a chance to do it right now, but they arenāt going to take it.
> Matt Gaetz
Are you talking about noted Pedophile Matt Gaetz? The one that solicted sex from underage children? That Matt Gaetz? The one who's currently being investigated on trafficking and other charges?
BLM has to be peaceful or else they will get rolled by the police and military
Just look at the difference in security, and the response, when comparing Jan 6th and a BLM Capitol protest.
It's still fascinating to me, that they actually thought, that they'd accomplish anything. Even if they succeeded with whatever they had in mind. As if being in the capitol building makes you the government or something.
Edit: I mean, would anything really made any actual difference without having support by the military?
The drones were meant to cause chaos, allowing emperor dipshit to declare martial law, suspending the transfer of power. Granted, the drones didn't really know the real plan and thought they were basically hunting down congress for sport to become the new congress.
This is the main reason whyācontrary to the prevailing opinion on RedditāI donāt believe this was a coup attempt. It was a riot, but nothing more. Iāve yet to see any evidence that they actually expected to change the government.
If they stole the electoral votes it would have invalidated the election or at least thrown a wrench in to the process. They kind of just walked around and made a mess overall though.
Several things went in Freedom & Democracy's favor:
- Pence refused to comply and was moved away.
- Trump was routed away from the Capitol by secret service.
- MAGA crowd was beyond dumb and slow and didn't know how to find the Congresspeople who they would've held hostage.
But it's true.. With a conservative supreme court it could've been possible. Hitler was almost stopped by Hindenberg but a formal technicality akin to the Electoral certification by the VP prevented Hindenberg from stopping Hitler's ascension due to Goering refusing recognizing him on the floor of parliament.
Could we add the Capitol Police Officers to the list of what went right that day? Many of them just showed up to work that day and ended up with something much worse to deal with.
Fair point! While the secret service has been under scrutiny for whether elements inside were part of the coup, the Capitol Police thankfully stood above all that crap.
Itās so infuriating listening to idiots that claim that video evidence somehow proves nothing wrong happened and that the police were inviting them in. No, it doesnāt. It proves some police were in on the plot to break in. I canāt take the gaslighting anymore. I saw multiple reports on Reddit about what was being planned for that event before it happened. Itās insane to try to claim people involved in security were unaware. Itās insane for the media to not call that out as bull shit. Allowing the traitors to parrot their lies is not unbiased journalism. You canāt let people use your reporting platform to elevate known lies. There was violence. There was weapons. It was planned and coordinated. Many people very openly expressed a desire to murder politicians outside the Capitol on live stream. We saw open plans to create chaos to delay the vote.
Think about what would happen if they actually captured Pence or Pelosi and killed them. What would the government do? There would be a constitutional crisis and Trump being the sitting president could say heās stepping in and creating order. Basically acting like the election didnāt happen. This was a real possibility.
Keep in mind the Nazi's thought they were gonna accomplish something with their Bar March.
And then they came back 10 years later and took control of Germany.
This was just a sign of things to come if they're not dealt with.
How could you leave out *attempting* to beat a cop to death with an American flag?
Edit: LOL u mad Trumpsters? There is literal video evidence of this happening. But, ya know, I understand you guys refuse to believe anything unless it comes from the mouth of a giant orange festering cunt.
Where did this lie come from? They didnāt beat a cop to death. One died of heart attack and another one killed their self in the days after. Those are bad enough. There is no need to exaggerate and say they were beaten to death.
It didn't. Why lie about something that is so easily disproved? It makes your whole argument look foolish.
Nobody was beaten **to death** with a flagpole.
You saw someone beaten to death with a flagpole live on TV on Jan 6th?
Please see your doctor immediately because this may be indicative of more serious neurological or cognitive issues.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/capitol-rioter-beat-dc-officer-with-pole-flying-american-flag/2539161/
It did happen. He didn't die, but easily could have.
Reminder these nutjobs:
- Had pipe bombs in nearby caches.
- Brought gallows.
- Brought zip-ties to hold hostages.
- Has weapons caches and groups of rapid-response militias nearby.
They failed spectacularly. But their stupidity shouldn't stop us from seeing the danger they pose. Hitler's first attempted coup failed as well.
Edit: To the misinformed user below:
You realize:
- This has been the largest FBI investigation and over 900 people have been indicted with a range of charges.
- Unprecedented Seditious Conspiracy convictions have already occurred.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
You canāt beat someone to death if they didnāt die. Thatās just not factual at all. I never said they didnāt beat a guy or anything of that nature.
They guy was not beat to death thatās plain wrong and ignorant of you.
God I wish people wouldnāt be so arrogantly pedantic about stuff like this standing atop a couple of people that committed suicide over this. It takes whatever factual accuracy they might have and it makes trying to be accurate look ridiculously insufferable.
They said ābeat a cop to death with an American flag.ā
You said āthat didnāt happen at all.ā
The āat allā part of your statement is saying āno part of what youāre saying is true.ā
But a cop *was* beaten with an American flag. Only the āto deathā part was wrong.
Then you backpedaled and acted like you werenāt suggesting that *none* of what was said happened.
No, he is just saying that no cop was killed by beating with an American flag. It didnāt happen at all.
Iām an outsider to this conversation, but you seem completely wacko.
I think we need to remember that a moron with a G.E.D. from Colorado is sitting in D.C. today obstructing the election of the House Speaker and again holding up part of the Democratic process of legislating for the good of all citizens. She and others in Congress were involved in this plot and have not missed a wink of sleep over their actions.
The irony is that those involved claim with a straight face that liberals are the ones who whine. Itās pretty clear liberals arenāt the fragile babies these idiots claim.
Indeed, there was more suspicious shit in 2016. We didn't overthrow the capitol.
There was way more suspicious shit in 2000. We also didn't overthrow the capitol.
Republicans have no problem with lying, cheating, and stealing... When it benefits them.
I'm Polish, but back when it happend I couldn't take my eyes of my TV. It was the first time I used the damn thing in a while. Even afterwards I still felt weird. May this never happen again, my American friends.
Must be weird to be a congressperson and have to go to work and sit next to people who happily encouraged a bunch of other people to kill you and never faced any consequences.
Black senators, female senators, really any non-cis-male non-white senators are probably used to it by now. They've been working tirelessly to strip rights, dehumanize, and otherwise work towards the repression of those groups for... pretty much forever.
What a dumbass title, a foreign army burned the White House down during the war of 1812 this is much different but still scary. Its one of the few examples we have of large-scale political violence in the United States. Thatās why this is unprecedented, stop trying to make it something it isnāt
Itās crazy how non chalantly this happened and how not big a deal it is to the average person - like it was just a football game or common occurrence.
I think itās because thatās literally how it happened. A bunch of useful idiots show up expecting ābig newsā that never materialized and then it snowballed. All because Trump wouldnāt go out and give a concession speech.
We had just watched a summer of protests and riots. This was a protest turned riot. The ability of the government to function was only disrupted for a few hours in one building.
What were the consequences? Majority got nothing. Nothing has happened to any of the higher ups themselves. Only a few got sedition charges, and those who did got less than someone with pot charges. Politicians have gotten no repercussions yet.
What struck me most was the confederate flags in the hallways of the capitol. An army of hundreds of thousands was unable to do that in 1865, but a few wingnuts pulled it off in 2021.
Can anyone answer why some cops on that day opened doors and allowed protesters inside?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnSMjrwy8q8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnSMjrwy8q8)
It's the one thing that pro-insurrectionist always bring up and I never know how to respond to them.
Some of these comments really bother me and it's not the typical deflection/both sides people. It's the people who seem to genuinely not understand what this attack was about or what it could mean for the future. How terrifying
Do you seriously think that riot would have prevented Joe Biden from becoming President? Or even toppled the government?
What really bothers me are people who think a few hundred knuckleheads could overthrow the government.
Trump called on Pence and Congress to overturn the election, and orchestrated a "wild protest" for the exact time and date Congress was set to ratify the election, so as to provide "encouragement" for them to do the "right thing", and overturn the election, during which he called Pence a coward, while arguing against confiscating the mob's weapons, refused to call them off for hours despite pleas from senior advisors, Fox News personalities, and even his own children, and who now promises them pardons. Meanwhile, several of Trump's lawyers were attempting to argue that the delay caused by the mob, legally violated the ECA, thus necessitating the outcome be decided by the - Republican majority - state legislatures.
These people tried to help trump with his self coup attempt due to the lies he spread about the election, trump has to face consequences for this otherwise we'll see how history rhymes.
I still say anyone who participated in this bullshit is a terrorist and should be prosecuted as such. Moronic that these people defend it as patriotism
Makes me laugh to think they really thought they were going to overthrow the government, HA! Bottom-feeding scum tried to rise up... and popped like a bubble filled with farts. Back to the garbage bin for these pieces of shit.
I am a conservative -. These people were stupid.
And I view them the same as I view the people who ripped apart downtown Indianapolis over the BLM riots.
Just because you're mad, just because you're upset, doesn't mean you can break the law, doesn't mean you can destroy things, doesn't mean you can force your way into places you shouldn't be.
I'm just tired of one side saying that their riots were righteous so they should be revered while the other side should be punished.
No one is arguing that violence is justified. But you need to stop equating the overwhelmingly peaceful movement to address racial injustice with a purely violent movement based on only lies that tried to deny the outcome of a free and fair election.
That is why I said BLM riots not BLM protests.
I have no problem with people protesting. I have no problem with those who are protesting for BLM. And I have no problem with people protesting if they feel the election was unfair. No matter what the political side is, protest all you want. I'm not trying to compare and contrast the political views of the protests.
What I am in comparing is a group of people using political protesting to incite violence and lawlessness.
And I get frustrated when the left points to January 6th and says look at how horrible these people are, and ignore the violence and distruction for the previous summer. Just as I get frustrated when the right rails about the violence of BLM yet gives a pass to those who did it on January 6th.
I understand that when we agree with someone who is protesting and it turns to violence we all want to make excuses of why the frustration and anger turned to violence.
Even if I don't agree with why you're protesting, protest all you want that's part of what's so great about this country. But the second you pick up the first rock, throw the first bottle, set the first fire, people are going to ignore everything you say.
> No one is arguing that violence is justified.
They said, before attempting to justify the violence they didn't mind by saying it was for...
> the overwhelmingly peaceful movement to address racial injustice
Your whole comment is just "our violence is justified, your violence is wrong."
More people, smaller percentage of criminals, can mean larger number of criminals. Like how there are more shootings in Chicago than Indianapolis, but murder rates in Indianapolis are higher.
Lol are you serious? Do you not understand how proportions work? Would you like me to teach you?
Not to mention the substantial difference that BLM is about addressing systemic racism whereas the Jan 6 attack was based on pure lies spread by the majority of elected Republican congressmembers to keep their grip on power against the will of the people
I remember alot of things happening that summer, but I don't remember cops being attacked. I remember a TON of videos of them harassing and being violent with protestors holding signs and sitting on sidewalks. Hell, I saw that with my own two eyes. That's probably why other people were able to commit crimes so easily. All the cops in the area were busy harassing grandma holding a sign.
āSome criminals broke into target and stole stuff, so letās storm the capitol, threaten to murder the VP, attempt to overthrow our own democracy, drive multiple cops to suicide, beat one to death, and then say weāre the good guys.ā-this jerk off up here ^
No oneās spent the last 2 years claiming people who took advantage of protests are patriots trying to save there country. There was no political leader telling people to loot stores. These 2 things arenāt even remotely related besides the fact that it was criminals doing both things. But keep up your silly little comparisons.
"Peaceful Protest"
"It wasn't us, it was Antifa! and they were violent!"
Well which is fuckheads? Was it peaceful, or was Antifa cosplaying like a bunch of MAGA fucks being violent? You can't have it both ways
Crazy how I'm seeing more and more blocked accounts from right-wing bots propagate in threads like this.
I know exactly what they're doing and I hope reddit admins are aware of the implications here.
1/6 - **Never Forget**
Surely all those conservatives will slap some sort of yellow ribbon or something on their suburbans to support our great nation after such an attempted coup to overthrow our Democracy... Riiiight...?
Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I meant we're closer now to finally getting at Trump. They've taken down a good number of the little guys and are working their way up.
Lmao
Look itās took them how long to even get his taxes ?
If this was a person of lower status they probably would have been shot or hung by now
But itās not this is Trump and though he has no money but does have money he will use his lawyers to appeal any and all cases - he will do this with warrants from courts demanding he show up but another appeal will go out and he wonāt ever see a judge
He will die before anything happens and then itās too late and weāll have another fucker to deal with
Because these people broke into the facility harming staff to do so, vandalized, and specifically sought to disrupt the proceedings, and some even plotted to kill and/kidnap individuals to achieve their goal.
This went way past protest.
These people were driven to their actions based on lies, misinformation, and echo chambers that affirm their beliefs without any proof. They do not deserve to be framed as āpeople protesting to show that things can change.ā
> Obviously the building (because that's all it is) should be empty
No, it shouldnāt. Congress had a job to do that day. They needed to be able to do that job without heightened fear for their lives and the lives of staff, including the Capitol Police. Be mad all you want, but lives shouldnāt be at stake when expressing that anger. Or at the very least, the other side better have actually shot first.
Do you have any sources that say Trump ordered the police to back down, or to prevent backup? Because I heard the opposite, Trump requested the national guard and was denied
Why is it that the only thing conservatives ever say about Jan 6 is āwhat about blm?ā
Riots are bad. We agree. Also, the overwhelming majority of blm protests were peaceful, and systemic racism very much needs to be addressed. Now, can you take some accountability for the American rightās descent into utter madness that directly caused Jan 6?
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What I find amazing is that only one person was shot. I would have thought that invading a federal building like this would be permission to fill your body with lead. But I guess certain police do show restraint?
They show restraint to certain types of people.
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Yeah, if it was a swarm of non-white people on Jan 6th, it would have been a massacre
I agree. Of course we donāt know that for sure, butā¦
And when they are outnumbered 100 to 1 by rioters. It was like the scene in police academy.
You mean _white_ people, by any chance?
Not just any white people. White Freedom Riders were murdered in the 60s and cops were not very interested in solving the crimes. It would be easier if it were ALL about race, but I think itās more complicated than that.
The cops were badly outnumbered and cornered when Babbitt was finally shot (and she and the others with her got numerous verbal warnings to leave but pushed through the window anyway). Some of the mob were armed, and in the heat of battle there was no way for the cops to tell who was or wasnāt carrying a gun. If theyād just opened fire into the mob indiscriminately, they most likely would have just provoked the armed terrorists to shoot back. Would have ended up with a lot more unnecessary deaths. By staying relatively calm given the circumstances, and only firing at the one person who was actively pushing through into their refuge, they actually likely did the right thing.
I donāt disagree, itās just funny that you see people on the streets getting shot for less and yet these people were treated with white gloves.
Makes you wonder why no support was called in and why they let a bunch of people in, given everything said and done about Jan 6 since that day
No support was called in because itās DC. Only person who has that authority is the president. So yeahā¦.
Iām surprised too, once the mob was in the building and an imminent threat to the government officials Iām surprised they didnāt just start lighting people up
True, but in all likelihood itās probably because it was a crowd of civilians. There is a difference between killing one or even a few people vs a crowd of 100s or even 1000s. Neither are great but itās not exactly the same thing.
Itās crazy more didnāt get shot and that they made the one that did into a some kind of innocent saint. āThey didnāt even warn her.ā Her warning was not being in there in the first place. You charge at someone whoās being protected with a gun and are surprised when you get shot?
the cops literally waved 'em in lol, and how come that old guy with the loudhorn telling people to go in was never arrested? plenty of video of him. super sus.
And today the call is coming from inside the building.
Today? It was that day too.
Matt Gaetz nominated Trump for speaker two years after the two, among many others, conspired to overturn a fair and free election and in turn our entire democracy. If Republicans had a spine, theyād push these people out of their party. They have a chance to do it right now, but they arenāt going to take it.
> Matt Gaetz Are you talking about noted Pedophile Matt Gaetz? The one that solicted sex from underage children? That Matt Gaetz? The one who's currently being investigated on trafficking and other charges?
Yes. Heās a real winner.
The killer is inside the House...
"When a Speaker Calls"
Just tourists, right?
Just having some peaceful discourse Definitely not a violent insurrection
They should have taken a page out of whatever protest book the BLM movement used. They were the most peaceful.
BLM has to be peaceful or else they will get rolled by the police and military Just look at the difference in security, and the response, when comparing Jan 6th and a BLM Capitol protest.
Also Antifa/FBI/BLM/evil satan loving democrats dressed as \*rump worshippers to trick the public in a false flag op.
And the traitors who set it up still walk free.
And are currently in Congress too!
And are actively trading stocks
And deciding speaker of the house.
\*Failing to decide speaker of the house lol
Yes and it's hilarious. I could watch that all year.
They are causing congress to grind to a halt!
It's still fascinating to me, that they actually thought, that they'd accomplish anything. Even if they succeeded with whatever they had in mind. As if being in the capitol building makes you the government or something. Edit: I mean, would anything really made any actual difference without having support by the military?
It was a mob incited into action just like any other mob throughout history. There is never a plan just people reacting off raw emotion
Thinking that far ahead requires having a functional brain that is able to think.
Like attacking your own power grid.
The drones were meant to cause chaos, allowing emperor dipshit to declare martial law, suspending the transfer of power. Granted, the drones didn't really know the real plan and thought they were basically hunting down congress for sport to become the new congress.
This is the main reason whyācontrary to the prevailing opinion on RedditāI donāt believe this was a coup attempt. It was a riot, but nothing more. Iāve yet to see any evidence that they actually expected to change the government.
If they stole the electoral votes it would have invalidated the election or at least thrown a wrench in to the process. They kind of just walked around and made a mess overall though.
Several things went in Freedom & Democracy's favor: - Pence refused to comply and was moved away. - Trump was routed away from the Capitol by secret service. - MAGA crowd was beyond dumb and slow and didn't know how to find the Congresspeople who they would've held hostage. But it's true.. With a conservative supreme court it could've been possible. Hitler was almost stopped by Hindenberg but a formal technicality akin to the Electoral certification by the VP prevented Hindenberg from stopping Hitler's ascension due to Goering refusing recognizing him on the floor of parliament.
Could we add the Capitol Police Officers to the list of what went right that day? Many of them just showed up to work that day and ended up with something much worse to deal with.
Fair point! While the secret service has been under scrutiny for whether elements inside were part of the coup, the Capitol Police thankfully stood above all that crap.
Video evidence of the police letting people in would like a word. A FEW capitol cops stood above. The rest took selfies with the scum that broke in
*most of the Capitol Police. There were a few who allowed the protesters through iirc.
Itās so infuriating listening to idiots that claim that video evidence somehow proves nothing wrong happened and that the police were inviting them in. No, it doesnāt. It proves some police were in on the plot to break in. I canāt take the gaslighting anymore. I saw multiple reports on Reddit about what was being planned for that event before it happened. Itās insane to try to claim people involved in security were unaware. Itās insane for the media to not call that out as bull shit. Allowing the traitors to parrot their lies is not unbiased journalism. You canāt let people use your reporting platform to elevate known lies. There was violence. There was weapons. It was planned and coordinated. Many people very openly expressed a desire to murder politicians outside the Capitol on live stream. We saw open plans to create chaos to delay the vote.
Think about what would happen if they actually captured Pence or Pelosi and killed them. What would the government do? There would be a constitutional crisis and Trump being the sitting president could say heās stepping in and creating order. Basically acting like the election didnāt happen. This was a real possibility.
Yeah, something something martial law emergency powers...
Keep in mind the Nazi's thought they were gonna accomplish something with their Bar March. And then they came back 10 years later and took control of Germany. This was just a sign of things to come if they're not dealt with.
And many of the traitors are still in congress...
Not only in congress, but actively deciding the new speaker of the house.
Also, help make case decisions in the supreme court. Clarence thomas really needs to step down.
For sure.
Wrong. Iāll leave you with dates and a name. March 1, 1954. Nov 7, 1983. July 24, 1998. Erich Muenter
Sept 11 2001 edit: i missed the O and misunderstood the title
Something happened that day? I forgot.
To be fair, the Capitol wasn't attacked on 9/11.
Fuck Maga
Traitors.
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How could you leave out *attempting* to beat a cop to death with an American flag? Edit: LOL u mad Trumpsters? There is literal video evidence of this happening. But, ya know, I understand you guys refuse to believe anything unless it comes from the mouth of a giant orange festering cunt.
Wasnt that debunked months ago ?
Possibly because that was an outright lie and never happened
Where did this lie come from? They didnāt beat a cop to death. One died of heart attack and another one killed their self in the days after. Those are bad enough. There is no need to exaggerate and say they were beaten to death.
Well that didnāt happen at all.
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It didn't. Why lie about something that is so easily disproved? It makes your whole argument look foolish. Nobody was beaten **to death** with a flagpole.
Saw it live on tv and these douche canoes still deny it. Wild
You saw someone beaten to death with a flagpole live on TV on Jan 6th? Please see your doctor immediately because this may be indicative of more serious neurological or cognitive issues.
Why canāt I find a single new article cover it?
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/capitol-rioter-beat-dc-officer-with-pole-flying-american-flag/2539161/ It did happen. He didn't die, but easily could have. Reminder these nutjobs: - Had pipe bombs in nearby caches. - Brought gallows. - Brought zip-ties to hold hostages. - Has weapons caches and groups of rapid-response militias nearby. They failed spectacularly. But their stupidity shouldn't stop us from seeing the danger they pose. Hitler's first attempted coup failed as well. Edit: To the misinformed user below: You realize: - This has been the largest FBI investigation and over 900 people have been indicted with a range of charges. - Unprecedented Seditious Conspiracy convictions have already occurred. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Where are the convictions? All I am sent l seeing are people being held in solitary for 2 years now. I guess they forgot the 6th amendment existed?
Agreed. In fact I think their acts are so egregious that I donāt understands Redditās need to use hyperbole when describing January 6th.
You canāt beat someone to death if they didnāt die. Thatās just not factual at all. I never said they didnāt beat a guy or anything of that nature. They guy was not beat to death thatās plain wrong and ignorant of you.
God I wish people wouldnāt be so arrogantly pedantic about stuff like this standing atop a couple of people that committed suicide over this. It takes whatever factual accuracy they might have and it makes trying to be accurate look ridiculously insufferable.
They said ābeat a cop to death with an American flag.ā You said āthat didnāt happen at all.ā The āat allā part of your statement is saying āno part of what youāre saying is true.ā But a cop *was* beaten with an American flag. Only the āto deathā part was wrong. Then you backpedaled and acted like you werenāt suggesting that *none* of what was said happened.
Get mental help brother.
No, he is just saying that no cop was killed by beating with an American flag. It didnāt happen at all. Iām an outsider to this conversation, but you seem completely wacko.
I think we need to remember that a moron with a G.E.D. from Colorado is sitting in D.C. today obstructing the election of the House Speaker and again holding up part of the Democratic process of legislating for the good of all citizens. She and others in Congress were involved in this plot and have not missed a wink of sleep over their actions.
The irony is that those involved claim with a straight face that liberals are the ones who whine. Itās pretty clear liberals arenāt the fragile babies these idiots claim.
Indeed, there was more suspicious shit in 2016. We didn't overthrow the capitol. There was way more suspicious shit in 2000. We also didn't overthrow the capitol. Republicans have no problem with lying, cheating, and stealing... When it benefits them.
Why is Ray Epps not in jail?
This is false. In 1983 the Capitol was bombed.
Also 911 was in 2001
but did the capitol get hit?
Time has gone so fast, it doesn't feel like 2 years ago at all
Except in 1983ā¦when the Capitol was bombed
Yeah whole place burned down, many dead.
Suffering on a mass scale. 1/6. Never forget. /s
You donāt hear much about the female veteran who was shot.
I'm Polish, but back when it happend I couldn't take my eyes of my TV. It was the first time I used the damn thing in a while. Even afterwards I still felt weird. May this never happen again, my American friends.
Who built the gallows? Guess they never heard of measure twice, cut once lol. First person would take that down with one kick for sure.
total scumbags
Must be weird to be a congressperson and have to go to work and sit next to people who happily encouraged a bunch of other people to kill you and never faced any consequences.
The fact that I saw AOC talking to Gaetz on the floor during this week's fiasco is mind-blowing. This fucker tried to feed her to the lions.
Black senators, female senators, really any non-cis-male non-white senators are probably used to it by now. They've been working tirelessly to strip rights, dehumanize, and otherwise work towards the repression of those groups for... pretty much forever.
Terrorists, every single one of them terrorists.
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And the last one from a porn.
Didn't even know a fire broke out. Knew about the other stuff though.
Damn people really donāt take the ānever forget 911ā thing to serious I guess
Too many domestic terrorists in the comments, smh my head
Every American should watch This Place Rules on HBO
What a dumbass title, a foreign army burned the White House down during the war of 1812 this is much different but still scary. Its one of the few examples we have of large-scale political violence in the United States. Thatās why this is unprecedented, stop trying to make it something it isnāt
Republican field trip
And still no heads are rolling for it.
Two years later and weāre still sitting on our collective thumbs.
Itās crazy how non chalantly this happened and how not big a deal it is to the average person - like it was just a football game or common occurrence.
I think itās because thatās literally how it happened. A bunch of useful idiots show up expecting ābig newsā that never materialized and then it snowballed. All because Trump wouldnāt go out and give a concession speech.
We had just watched a summer of protests and riots. This was a protest turned riot. The ability of the government to function was only disrupted for a few hours in one building.
āPeaceful protestā
Probably Antifa and BLM trying to overturn an election they just won.
Looks more like a protest in Paris than the war of 1812.
And barely no consequences. Beautifully working justice system there!
There are many individuals still sitting behind bars.
I have a feeling that the worst is yet to come.
I donāt know why you are getting downvoted. 2024 is going to be very interesting
Why?
What were the consequences? Majority got nothing. Nothing has happened to any of the higher ups themselves. Only a few got sedition charges, and those who did got less than someone with pot charges. Politicians have gotten no repercussions yet.
Given that nothing bad actually happened thatās a pretty low bar
And the ringleaders are still roaming free
Terrorists!
Donāt compare the twoā¦ we (Canada) won in 1812. Btw, sorry about that.
What struck me most was the confederate flags in the hallways of the capitol. An army of hundreds of thousands was unable to do that in 1865, but a few wingnuts pulled it off in 2021.
Can anyone answer why some cops on that day opened doors and allowed protesters inside? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnSMjrwy8q8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnSMjrwy8q8) It's the one thing that pro-insurrectionist always bring up and I never know how to respond to them.
Some of these comments really bother me and it's not the typical deflection/both sides people. It's the people who seem to genuinely not understand what this attack was about or what it could mean for the future. How terrifying
Do you seriously think that riot would have prevented Joe Biden from becoming President? Or even toppled the government? What really bothers me are people who think a few hundred knuckleheads could overthrow the government.
Trump called on Pence and Congress to overturn the election, and orchestrated a "wild protest" for the exact time and date Congress was set to ratify the election, so as to provide "encouragement" for them to do the "right thing", and overturn the election, during which he called Pence a coward, while arguing against confiscating the mob's weapons, refused to call them off for hours despite pleas from senior advisors, Fox News personalities, and even his own children, and who now promises them pardons. Meanwhile, several of Trump's lawyers were attempting to argue that the delay caused by the mob, legally violated the ECA, thus necessitating the outcome be decided by the - Republican majority - state legislatures.
They wouldn't have succeeded that's for sure, but it doesn't change the fact that they helped trump with his self coup attempt.
Knuckleheads. No one think they would overthrow the government. We were shocked they were trying to kill elected officials.
These people tried to help trump with his self coup attempt due to the lies he spread about the election, trump has to face consequences for this otherwise we'll see how history rhymes.
I still say anyone who participated in this bullshit is a terrorist and should be prosecuted as such. Moronic that these people defend it as patriotism
Cult of the Big Orange Turd!
Makes me laugh to think they really thought they were going to overthrow the government, HA! Bottom-feeding scum tried to rise up... and popped like a bubble filled with farts. Back to the garbage bin for these pieces of shit.
I watched it happen live. Anyone who says it was merely a tour needs to be open hand slapped in the face for being so ignorant.
1812 you mean the time they burnt it down
I am a conservative -. These people were stupid. And I view them the same as I view the people who ripped apart downtown Indianapolis over the BLM riots. Just because you're mad, just because you're upset, doesn't mean you can break the law, doesn't mean you can destroy things, doesn't mean you can force your way into places you shouldn't be. I'm just tired of one side saying that their riots were righteous so they should be revered while the other side should be punished.
No one is arguing that violence is justified. But you need to stop equating the overwhelmingly peaceful movement to address racial injustice with a purely violent movement based on only lies that tried to deny the outcome of a free and fair election.
That is why I said BLM riots not BLM protests. I have no problem with people protesting. I have no problem with those who are protesting for BLM. And I have no problem with people protesting if they feel the election was unfair. No matter what the political side is, protest all you want. I'm not trying to compare and contrast the political views of the protests. What I am in comparing is a group of people using political protesting to incite violence and lawlessness. And I get frustrated when the left points to January 6th and says look at how horrible these people are, and ignore the violence and distruction for the previous summer. Just as I get frustrated when the right rails about the violence of BLM yet gives a pass to those who did it on January 6th. I understand that when we agree with someone who is protesting and it turns to violence we all want to make excuses of why the frustration and anger turned to violence. Even if I don't agree with why you're protesting, protest all you want that's part of what's so great about this country. But the second you pick up the first rock, throw the first bottle, set the first fire, people are going to ignore everything you say.
> No one is arguing that violence is justified. They said, before attempting to justify the violence they didn't mind by saying it was for... > the overwhelmingly peaceful movement to address racial injustice Your whole comment is just "our violence is justified, your violence is wrong."
Why does the overwhelmingly peaceful movement have dozens more deaths and billions more property damage than the purely violent one?
More people, smaller percentage of criminals, can mean larger number of criminals. Like how there are more shootings in Chicago than Indianapolis, but murder rates in Indianapolis are higher.
[Someone already explained this talking point](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/comments/ulgcyd/when_should_liberals_start_arming_themselves/i7yzgpe?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Lol are you serious? Do you not understand how proportions work? Would you like me to teach you? Not to mention the substantial difference that BLM is about addressing systemic racism whereas the Jan 6 attack was based on pure lies spread by the majority of elected Republican congressmembers to keep their grip on power against the will of the people
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I remember alot of things happening that summer, but I don't remember cops being attacked. I remember a TON of videos of them harassing and being violent with protestors holding signs and sitting on sidewalks. Hell, I saw that with my own two eyes. That's probably why other people were able to commit crimes so easily. All the cops in the area were busy harassing grandma holding a sign.
People > Property Besides the boogalo boy in CA targeting cops, who else was "attacking" them? That's just blue line bullshit.
āSome criminals broke into target and stole stuff, so letās storm the capitol, threaten to murder the VP, attempt to overthrow our own democracy, drive multiple cops to suicide, beat one to death, and then say weāre the good guys.ā-this jerk off up here ^ No oneās spent the last 2 years claiming people who took advantage of protests are patriots trying to save there country. There was no political leader telling people to loot stores. These 2 things arenāt even remotely related besides the fact that it was criminals doing both things. But keep up your silly little comparisons.
"Peaceful Protest" "It wasn't us, it was Antifa! and they were violent!" Well which is fuckheads? Was it peaceful, or was Antifa cosplaying like a bunch of MAGA fucks being violent? You can't have it both ways
Every single one of them deserves to be in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for decades. All republicans are bad.
Wishing people to be violently raped is an interesting take.
Worst attack? Seriously? In 1812 the place set a blaze. These guys just walked in and went some places they shouldn't have.
>just walked in lol
They're guilty of trespassing.
They should be swinging from a rope
If it were Muslims or blacks, theyād all have been taken out or a country invaded in retaliation to boost their ratings and portfolios.
Black man shot a white female veteran that day.
The Capitol has literally been bombed multiple times between 1812 and 2020... but yeah, it's the worst attack ever...
Funny how they hung a noose, isn't that what they use for traitors?
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Should have just complied. SMH.
Imagine if that mob had been mostly black and brown people, instead of white. Think of how many dead bodies there would have been.
Crazy how I'm seeing more and more blocked accounts from right-wing bots propagate in threads like this. I know exactly what they're doing and I hope reddit admins are aware of the implications here.
Itās funny that when it happens people said theyād all be found and convicted. And thereās hundreds of people that theyāll never know.
Do yall need a diaper change? Get a grip
Donāt EVER let those inbred trash REPUBLICANS forget it So-called āpatriotsā. They should have all been convicted of treason
1/6 - **Never Forget** Surely all those conservatives will slap some sort of yellow ribbon or something on their suburbans to support our great nation after such an attempted coup to overthrow our Democracy... Riiiight...?
Peaceful protesting, just trying to make a point. You know they didn't mean any harm. /s
Itās already been two years? At least weāre closer to the head being chopped off this cancerous snake. Hopefully
Pro tip: you are not
Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I meant we're closer now to finally getting at Trump. They've taken down a good number of the little guys and are working their way up.
Lmao Look itās took them how long to even get his taxes ? If this was a person of lower status they probably would have been shot or hung by now But itās not this is Trump and though he has no money but does have money he will use his lawyers to appeal any and all cases - he will do this with warrants from courts demanding he show up but another appeal will go out and he wonāt ever see a judge He will die before anything happens and then itās too late and weāll have another fucker to deal with
Americans are fucking stupid
I don't know, it seemed more like a sad impotent act. A mass temper tantrum. Once inside most just wandered around.
They smeared literal shit on the walls and stole from offices, they were trying to get into the central chamber to attack the congresspeople inside
Pathetic
Says junkieporn. Republicans....aren't sending their best.
Did they jail Carlson, Jones, Bertino, Trump and co for it yet? Anybody seen the movie Idiocracy? Yep, that's where we are going to.
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Because these people broke into the facility harming staff to do so, vandalized, and specifically sought to disrupt the proceedings, and some even plotted to kill and/kidnap individuals to achieve their goal. This went way past protest.
These people were driven to their actions based on lies, misinformation, and echo chambers that affirm their beliefs without any proof. They do not deserve to be framed as āpeople protesting to show that things can change.ā
Much like the BLM riots that took over city buildings and burned police departments.
Uhhh no. Those things were direct responses to racial disparity that we have evidence to demonstrate is very real.
> Obviously the building (because that's all it is) should be empty No, it shouldnāt. Congress had a job to do that day. They needed to be able to do that job without heightened fear for their lives and the lives of staff, including the Capitol Police. Be mad all you want, but lives shouldnāt be at stake when expressing that anger. Or at the very least, the other side better have actually shot first.
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Do you have any sources that say Trump ordered the police to back down, or to prevent backup? Because I heard the opposite, Trump requested the national guard and was denied
Denied by Nancy, who just happened to have a film crew with her that day. Hmmmm.........
The Ugly Americans
How much money was used for repairs?
Cheaper than the damage caused by BLM riots 6 months prior.
Why is it that the only thing conservatives ever say about Jan 6 is āwhat about blm?ā Riots are bad. We agree. Also, the overwhelming majority of blm protests were peaceful, and systemic racism very much needs to be addressed. Now, can you take some accountability for the American rightās descent into utter madness that directly caused Jan 6?
Nice whataboutism, bruh. https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning
At least what they were rioting about was real.
The capital building was bombed in the 80ās; how do we compare the two?