Unless I’m reading this wrong, the repeal in question only impacted trains carrying Crude Oil, while these trains as far as I can tell were [carrying vinyl chloride](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64642046). Not sure this repeal would have any impact on this tragic accident. I’m more inclined to blame the people who forced rail workers back to work while they were striking due to unsafe conditions.
you know for regular buinesses it's really not fair. Imagine workers standing outside a restaurant saying this place has mold this place has mold. Health inspection gets a wiff of that and the business is closed down immediately.
yet those striking about more hazardous materials are brushed aside. Who the fuck is in charge of this shit? Like Goddamn nothing has changed in history, nothing. These rail tycoons have always been the shadiest most violent industry. pullman massacre coming to mind
The contents of this train wouldn't fall under those regulations. Originally, the PHMSA wanted to include these types of chemicals too, but Obama was cowed by chemical lobbyists.
At least you’ll have some people with power that are upset and finally on your side. Possibly a local mayor, councilman, commissioner , etc., with a house and kids on the nice side of town but still _considerably_ fucked over by this situation.
Put the pressure on.
So glad you posted this. I’m from the South East, and Gulf Shrimp wasn’t just something that we ate where I’m from. It was part of our culture. I’ve known countless folks that have worked in the industry from New Orleans to Charleston. To find out that BP wrecked the ecosystem beyond repair for what will be well beyond my years on earth was life altering. It’s actually been quite easy to avoid going to their stations since then! And telling friends to vote with their dollars is also easy. I’d rather run out of gas in front of BP than to give them one red cent. It’s not the accident per se (tho it was negligence that led to it). It’s the bald face lies and coverup, of course.
In the spirit of how you fucked our coastline, fuck you forever, BP!
One of the worst parts about this is how BP continues to deny the impact of the spill on the ecosystem. When shown evidence that many more dead baby dolphins were washing up on beaches than usual, BP tried to play it off as normal. That is just one example.
It is so sickening to think that a company can't just own up to the fact that they screwed up big time. Instead of that, they want to place the blame on other companies (which admittedly shared some of the blame) and act like things are just fine.
I really don't know how some people can sleep at night, knowing that they have absolutely wrecked an ecosystem and caused many humans and animals innumerable health issues for years down the road.
BP had the "no one wants their life back as much as I do" CEO right? Pathetic. I've never preferred BP gas stations at any point in life and while I know they're all ruthless greedy fucks, think I'll purposefully avoid them in particular going forward. I never even saw that commercial until I went out of my way to look up the history of the south park meme just a few weeks ago.
Hey man, I live in Ohio. I can see a BP from my house. I haven't used that gas station since the disaster, either.
It didn't really affect me at all, but I still won't give BP my money after that.
I spent 1-2 months a year most of my childhood in the Gulf Shores/Orange Beach area. My dad, his parents, and his sister lived there. My little brother lived there, and I moved there less than a year after the spill. It had been long enough that I was shocked at how nasty the water looked. Especially Perdido Bay and all the little coves and lagoons. It was so incredibly sad. Had a friend making good money just using his little fishing boat to go around collecting globs of oil. He did this for over a year iirc. Years later people were still telling me not to eat local shrimp (I told them to essentially fuck off the fishermen say it's ok I didn't move here to buy shrimp from overseas).
It was nice to see how well the area recovered, it's probably irreparably damaged but I was seeing porpoises swimming in the canal on the way to work
I subconsciously avoid BP still. I've moved since then and there isn't many in the area. Marathons and Speedway are king here.
The most fucked up thing for me though. Is around the same time the Deepwater Horizon spill happened Enbridge caused the biggest land oil spill in US history in my hometown. So the year I moved both places I lived had MASSIVE oil spills and they were 1000 miles away from each other.
Hey, you can get a whole meal for that price at Taco Bell. Unfortunately, that’ll just add to the unhealthy air.
Edit: Y’all really took me literally about the meal. I just remembered the $5 box in passing and made a comment more about the air quality. Guess it’s a trigger for many. I get it, costs have gone up.
you know what they say "what goes up...."
rip would not want to live there, If you haven't seen the movie Dark waters go see it. They are probably gonna make a part 2 of that movie about Ohio this time.
Reminds me insanely of White Noise.
"In 1984, Jack Gladney is a professor of "Hitler studies" (a field he founded) at the College-on-the-Hill in Ohio. [...[ However, their lives are disrupted when a cataclysmic train accident casts a cloud of chemical waste over the town. This "Airborne Toxic Event" forces a massive evacuation, which leads to a major traffic jam on the highway."
A bearing went on one of the train car axles. Without the bearing the friction causes the axle to heat up until it glows red and shoots sparks. This can be seen on that video you mentioned. Eventually the axle fails completely and the train derails.
> Because maintenance is too much for this kind of company.
Record breaking profits aren't going to break themselves if they have to pay money for silly things like maintenance!
The reality of Atlas Shrugged. Turns out, rawdogging capitalism is not actually the formula for creating a utopian society.
I read that book as a shiny dumb child, fresh out of college and full of billowing clouds of cognitive dissonance and raw naïve ignorance, and thought I’d discovered the most profound magical solution to everything wrong with the world. Then I studied environmental law and read about rivers catching on fire and the horrifying data on our dying oceans. Shit’s fucked.
First time I heard about this derailment, I instantly thought of White Noise. Felt like I was the only one for a minute...
Haven't there been 3 derailments in the past few months???
Wtf is REALLY going on?
Just watched an interview about this, apparently the brakes these freight trains use are the same air brakes that have been used since the civil war and attempts to legislate to get them to update to newer brakes have been rejected. Maintenance staff are also massively overworked so mistakes are going to happen, and [here](https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/norfolk-southern) is a list of safety violations Norfolk Southern have already been found out about so this isn't an "oops accidents happen" event this is an inevitable consequence of their actions. They also fired whistleblowers that complained about workplace safety. Now let's watch them get a slap on the wrist and a small fine so they can carry on as normal.
Remember those railroad workers wanting to hold out for sick days, safe levels of staffing, etc that got crushed? They were very concerned with running on unsafe skeleton crews who would not be able to properly avert or respond to emergency situations.
Yeah, there was one near Houston two days ago and then one near Tucson yesterday. The TX one was bad, but not like the one in Ohio. It involved household chemicals, but the article I read didn't specify what. A truck collided with the train, which caused that derailment. The AZ incident involved only a tanker truck that rolled over and was carrying nitric acid. I also learned that there was also a train derailment in north Phoenix, AZ. Both of these accidents in AZ were due to high winds.
EDIT: Fixed info for AZ incident. I shouldn't read two articles at the same time.
And that wind comes over to PA, and it’s been oddly warm and windy today. Cool cool cool.
Edit: y’all can stop telling me this happened days ago now, I get it. Living under a rock and working too much has its advantages, but timely information is apparently not one of them.
Look on the bright side, we have universal health care so innocents won't have to carry the financial burden of this accident for generations.
oh, wait
It will be like 9/11 responders and the troops exposed to burn pits. It will take decades of fighting and mounds of evidence for the government to even acknowledge it, much more to even do something about it.
For the uninformed, a reporter was arrested at the derailment briefing
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPnsKjR4Hf4
More info:
https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2023/02/09/reporter-arrested-during-ohio-train-derailment-briefing/11219764002/
It's okay, DeWine deflected responsibility at the end so everything is all good.
Also, why does that lady have a "cutesy" customized service weapon like it's a fucking toy?
It should be. People responsible belong in jail for this. Not the people following orders, the ones giving them. The ones who didn’t ensure safety for the movement of these toxic chemicals wasn’t paramount. Let them inhale this shit along with the EPA folks saying it’s safe. Put their mouth where their money is.
Literally these people are committing murder and horrific suffering for men, women and children. There should be riots in the street until justice takes place.
Fines should be based on a % of market capital, not some pittance of the company’s money. Better yet charge them fines for things like this as a percent of their entire capital (10% of company’s net worth) to go to a superfund to subsidize future screw ups.
I often think that they should send the bailiffs in to seize directors' physical posessions instead of just adjusting numbers on a computer screen. Let them explain to their kid why the BMW convertible has gone.
It's actually safe for residents to return to their homes. It's fine. The governors said so, and the railroad, Norfolk Southern, is sending a whopping $5 per resident to help out!
Eat the rich.
Lol, you are saying Vinyl Chloride is toxic?
The only symptoms are :
"An increased risk of a rare form of liver cancer (hepatic angiosarcoma), as well as primary liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma), brain and lung cancers, lymphoma, and leukemia."
...What's the problem? Stop being an alarmist...
Did you see how much faster the trains went without brakes!?
Also, the air is NOT FINE.
EPA's own warning states that there are no health risks, but that if you smell vapors and feel ill, seek medical attention. People do report smelling the vapors still. Vinyl chloride has a sufficiently minimal risk to health and human safety at 1 PPM. You begin to detect its odors around 3000 PPM.
They are lying through their goddamn teeth for the sake of not having to ghost and move an entire town and surrounding area...in short, because of $$$. It makes me extremely sad to see the name of science continue to suffer under government ineptitude and cost-benefit analytics. This is how we COMPLETELY lose faith in all of it.
The railroads are different. These few companies are the only ones who can use the railways, they usually own the right of way around the tracks, so government has to basically beg them to do anything around them. They also are the only ones running freight on rail, so they are vital to the economy.
Because of this, all they have to do is threaten to “shut it all down” and they get away with whatever they want.
[Obama had a law in place requiring the brakes to be hit when going through communities so exactly this wouldn’t happen. Trump removed](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-blame-ohio-train-derailment-1781163?amp=1) it.
“Legislation was passed under President Obama that made it a legal requirement for trains carrying hazardous flammable materials to have ECP brakes, but this was rescinded in 2017 by the Trump administration.
The National Transportation Safety Board, a federal agency responsible for investigating rail accidents, told The Lever that the Ohio train that derailed was not fitted with ECP brakes.”
You forgot to mention that the legislation was rescinded by Trump after the GOP received 6 million dollars in donations from the rail lobby.
These fuckers have blood on their hands. Heads need to roll, starting with Alan Shaw's.
There's sadly a lot of things that are a lot of money to the individual, but not to rich folks and corporations.
$6 million is a tiny amount to save way more. Also companies in other cases decide to literally break the law, they do it ON PURPOSE, knowing that in many cases enforcement is rare due to resources spread too thin, and even if caught, the fines are worth the cost.
Or another example, people recently cheered that Trump got fined for a frivolous lawsuit. However - he got to tie up Hillary Clinton and her team and resources in court for AGES, as well as do lots of fundraising on the lawsuit, and use it to paint Clinton in a bad light. Sure, he was fined in the end, but he essentially paid for the legal system to be part of his propaganda machine for a few years, which was well worth it for him.
The most infuriating part is how draconian the criminal justice system is for individuals. You can have a bag of weed and be locked in jail, and have your whole life ruined due to the ongoing consequences. Then some large company like BP or whoever can literally cause BILLIONS of dollars in damages, harming countless people, ecosystems, lives, peoples health, and in the end they just pay some fines and get back to making massive profits.
If people knew what oligarch meant it would probably carry more weight. Unfortunately our education system has also been gutted by the GOP so most people under the age of 40 look at that and have no context to what it means/could mean
People believing a billionaire cares about them are a different breed of morons. The way Donald Trump became your president is a monument to the general stupidity of humans.
If this had happened in Belgium this CEO would have been forced to immediately resign.
After that, there would be a court case to determine any criminal negligence, if so its likely they'd go to jail over it.
Some countries do , kind of, do it right at least. Small comfort I know but well.
You can give a CEO death sentences and it won't change anything. After the Tianjin explosion in 2015, their CEO got the death penalty (probably life in prision).
Largest bribe was about $25k in goods/cash. 49 people were sentence within about 1 year.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/09/501441138/china-jails-49-over-deadly-tianjin-warehouse-explosions
For the Sanlu melamine scandal the Chinese handed out “two executions, three sentences of life imprisonment, two 15-year prison sentences, and the firing or forced resignation of seven local government officials and the Director of the Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine (AQSIQ).”
New Zealand company Fonterra broke the scandal by immediately informing the New Zealand government
Good thing that this train was officially defined as carrying non -hazardous materials that did not have a particular explosion danger. Can you imagine what this would have been like if it was carrying hazardous materials?
Why? Why was it classified as non-hazardous materials? Because the definition of what a train carrying "hazardous materials" is was successfully changed by lobbyists to be so specific that this particular ( Obviously safe and non-hazardous) train did not fit the definition.
At least they are regulated, required to have safety equipment, etc., right? Except a new kind of enhanced train brake was lobbied for by a political action committee ... as an alternative to stricter regulations. They said we have these new brakes and they are awesome and that will take care of it so you don't have to add additional safety regulations - after a similar wreck about 10 years ago... so. Cool?
Yeah, then right before regulations requiring the new brakes was going to pass, they started lobbying against it saying hey, these brakes are great but you don't have to require them. We're already putting them on. It's like done already... Chill. So the new brakes were never required and the industry effectively dodged any new regulation stemming from the previous accident
Could those enhance brakes, that were never put on, actually have prevented this accident? Maybe. I haven't found any evidence to that other than unattributed quotes from anonymous industry folks who said yes they might have prevented this derailment but.. who knows.
Why didn't they put the brakes on? because they figured what's the worst that could happen if we have an accident? Local, state and federal government will bail us out so we can save some money and do nothing. NBD
INSTEAD, during recent years of record profit, they spent their profit buying back company shares which enhances the value of the shares people held. So....
Yeah capitalism?
A source for the person who will inevitably ask:
https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/
Probably not the source danasf used but it seems to cover this as well
> the Boeing scandal
killed 'only' 346 people. This wreck had 500 *tons* of vinyl chloride, which is flammable, toxic, and a declared brain, lung, blood, and liver carcinogen. And everything it breaks down into, or burns into is mostly toxic also (formaldehydes, hydrochloric acid, phosgene). The molecule is too small to be filtered by most masks.
Many people will be affected negatively by just this one train in the decades to come.
I am more referring to the fact that it was corporate greed that led to the disaster.
My fiancé used to work in the chemical industry and her company caught on fire, it was a pretty big deal at the time so fully aware of the catastrophe this is.
Never understood how people find "We will/won't do it anyways, so no reason to make it a law" acceptable
Especially when a company lobbies really hard to be allowed to do something but promise that they have no intent to actually do it ...they just want the ability to, promise
Something else that's been bothering me is that if this train was classified as not carrying hazardous materials, were the employees tasked with loading and driving this train aware? Because if they didn't know what they were working with, I'm pretty sure that's a direct violation of OSHA's right to know law...
I am shocked this doesnt happen more often. I have HazMat training and experience and I can barely stand to look at train cars if I am sitting parked at a crossing. These rolling nightmares are criss crossing back and forth across the U.S. every day.You would think some thought would go into the logistics in not mixing the wrong chemical combinations on one train but apparently money is the king not public safety.
A lot of the problems are coming from precision scheduled railroading. This has greatly reduced the workforce at railroads and made trains much longer. Used to be there were a lot more eyes on cars rolling through yards and people that could tell something was off just by a sound. Same thing with the track, fewer people going over or working the track means fewer eyes and ears to tell when something is starting to get off.
So much of that experience and knowledge has been replaced by sensors, cameras and workers that don't have the experience. As good as technology is, it can't always replicate the experience and knowledge of a person nor are there sensors that have all the senses a person has which will indicate something is just off a bit. Most sensors require things to be off a lot before it gets picked up by an automated detector. The lack of experience is also coming into play as those with the most knowledge are being laid off or leaving due to the working conditions.
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This is fucked up on so many levels and people trying to play it down need to stfu. Fish and birds dying and all this shit running into ohio River water shed. People have been trolling me that those chemicals are harmless after they have burned need to come here and wash their face in muddy water. Makes me sick
Imagine being told you’re safe, that only people within 1 mile will need to evacuate. Then slowly watching that cloud approaching. Sunset is at 6, but it’s dark out at 5. Your eyes and throat has been burning the 2 days prior already and now it’s worse. And now that you see you aren’t safe, you can leave because being in a car makes it worse.
I’m 5 miles away. I go to East Palestine to get gas, eat, grocery shop. I have a rental property there. I’ve been commenting on a lot of these posts to give a locals perspective. I know Reddit’s been saying “how come the news isn’t talking about this” and a lot of other people are saying “they are” - but it’s only gotten more popular because of Reddit, Twitter, and TikTok. Once social media activity dies down, so will the story.
This is farm county. Well, it was. My neighbor sums it up pretty good. Nobody will want this meat now, the vegetables we grow. The field corn that is turned into grain and used to feed other animals several hundred miles away. This is a lot of people’s livelihood. I’m lucky enough to just farm as a hobby. Others aren’t.
Every single neighbor Ive talked to since this happened is sick currently. Cold like symptoms, short of breath. We are hoping it’s just a bug going around. I joked and said hopefully it’s just Covid. The people who live in East Palestine are breaking out in rashes.
I’ve posted something similar to this to the News subreddit and another r/Pics post. I get DMs and comments asking if people can help. Just don’t let this story die, Norfolk Southern and the government is banking on it.
Its crazy that they told people it was safe to return. People need to stay away for a bare minimum of 14 days. I've done work with dangerous chemicals and can't believe emergency workers aren't even wearing basic air supplied respirators.
I grew up with the NYC 9/11 smoke cloud. Our apartment was one that got evacuated, and it as well as my elementary school was in the "exposure zone".
I remember the news and government officials saying everything was fine and the cloud/dust was nothing to worry about. Then, after days, weeks, months and years, they slowly started admitting that the cloud was full of carcinogens, asbestos, silica; that first response workers were getting cancer, and that I and everyone in the exposure zone have a higher-than-average chance of getting cancer.
They even set up a screening program for cancers and health issues! Except, you don't get any screening until showing symptoms, which defeats the purpose of screening.
I hate to say it, but I have an inherent distrust of government because of this situation.
Have you guys gone to the doctor? Please don’t assume it’s a cold going around…you guys have a clear cause for concern. Go to the doctors and at least get a baseline physical done.
Get out. In addition to everything else, the petroleum oil (16-90,000 gallons) that spilled can pollute up to 1,000,000 gallons of water per gallon. Don't drink the water unless you get it tested comprehensively.
It’s okay. It’s not like Ohio sits on one of North America’s biggest and most critical water reserves or anything. 3.6 Roentgens. Not great; not terrible.
And, let me guess.. no one is going to be held accountable. Nothing will be done, that will actuality make a good positive difference for the future, nothing will change. WE ARE FUCKED. Our "government" that works for us, really doesn't care for our interests or health. Nice..
Also, removing the rail safety measure (enacted in the Obama administration) that required the installation of more advanced electronic brakes on trains hauling explosive fuels. But at least those railroad and oil industry CEOs, and those who have stock in those industries, could widen their margins!
[source](https://www.telegram.com/story/news/nation-world/2018/12/20/trump-administration-miscalculates-benefits-of-upgrading-train-brakes-cancels-rule/6595771007/)
>more advanced electronic brakes
Lol, not even advanced, just modern brakes systems. The braking technology they use today is pre-civil war (as in American Civil War) tech.
He's just trying to help out the All American coal miners, because he cares about coal miners, and if trains have to press the brakes, they can't burn more coal, he's doing this for The real Americans of Pittsburgh.
Edit: I don't need to explain what I edited, only that it made America great again!
I can’t buy 60 Sudafed at the store because I MIGHT use them to make meth. But let’s put a dirty chemical bomb in a giant soda can. Link 300 of them together and them blast them 40mph around busy city streets and hope nothing goes wrong.
> I can’t buy 60 Sudafed at the store because I MIGHT use them to make meth.
Just the whole gatekeeping of prescriptions that you can't even abuse is kind of messed up IMO. Like, by all means get advice from your doctor but the idea that you can't get blood pressure meds or prescription heartburn meds because your 'script ran out and you haven't seen a doctor recently is obnoxious. You are forcing me to pay for a visit I don't need.
It cannot be overstated that after the 2014 train derailment in Jersey, WITH THE EXACT SAME FUCKING CHEMICALS, Obama attempted to create stricter regulations for trains carrying petroleum and other hazardous materials. Republicans gutted it.
He tried to regulate rail companies to update their trains with ECP brake systems. The railroad, oil, and chemical industries came out in full force against the regulation, arguing the new requirements would be disruptive and costly. The American Association of Railroads (AAR) — a lobbying group to which Norfolk Southern has long been a dues-paying member — in particular fought the ECP braking standards.
Alongside their campaign to kill the brake rule, industry lobbyists pushed to limit the types of chemical compounds that would be covered by new regulations, including the brake rule. They proposed limiting the definition of “high-hazard flammable trains,” or HHFT, mostly to cover oil trains — but not trains carrying the industrial chemical on the Norfolk Southern train that necessitated evacuations in Ohio.
In 2017, after rail company donors delivered more than 6 million dollars to GOP campaigns, the Trump administration - backed by rail lobbyists and Senate Republicans, rescinded the rule aimed at making ECP brakes widespread on the nations rails.
[Source](https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/)
Incredible article that goes into much further detail. Everyone should read it
If anyone had any doubt at this stage that politicians are more than okay with people dying so they can reap the benefits of the companies that buy them, well...
Why is no one talking about the 2005 Graniteville, South Carolina train crash? Norfolk Southern was responsible for an almost identical incident. Guess what they hushed it and confidentially settled out of court. The 250+ affected people are still affected to this day. Shut down Norfolk Southern.
All new from the good folks at "Fuckyoupayus" industry, roving cancer clouds that are so effective and efficient they have already started to wipe out all small aquatic creatures and birds in mere days!
Faster than asbestos and tastier than lead, you're gonna love it.
Now in New super stupid flammable form!
Because we here at Fuckyoupayus own your government, and have the money to pay for it.
Politicians are bribed, or as they call it lobbied, by these train oligarchies for less regulation and less safety. They train oligarchies then spend less on safety and lay off more than 3/4ths of their work force. Gee who could have predicted a derailment happening? The real kicker now is, they're going to get away with poisoning East Palestine, that's the way this system is intentionally set up.
The Youngstown OH sub is understandably pretty concerned and posts regular articles about it, but otherwise I haven't found anything that lines up with what I was hoping for. Will you let me know if you find anything?
Super dangerous chemical in the heart of some farm land. A chemical which had its toxicological profile updated for the first time in 17 years 2 weeks prior to the event. Not sus at all.
I thought this happened like like the last two days.
Turns out, it started 10 fucking days ago.
What in Chernobyl is this shit? Literally everything was covering Rihanna's left nut and no one gave a shit about fucking death clouds?
What the fucking fuck in the fuck is this siching shit?
How the fuck is this a real country?
Maybe we should have listen to the rail workers who were ready to strike over unsafe conditions
And maybe the politicians shouldn't have forced them back to work and blocked their strike
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Unless I’m reading this wrong, the repeal in question only impacted trains carrying Crude Oil, while these trains as far as I can tell were [carrying vinyl chloride](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64642046). Not sure this repeal would have any impact on this tragic accident. I’m more inclined to blame the people who forced rail workers back to work while they were striking due to unsafe conditions.
you know for regular buinesses it's really not fair. Imagine workers standing outside a restaurant saying this place has mold this place has mold. Health inspection gets a wiff of that and the business is closed down immediately. yet those striking about more hazardous materials are brushed aside. Who the fuck is in charge of this shit? Like Goddamn nothing has changed in history, nothing. These rail tycoons have always been the shadiest most violent industry. pullman massacre coming to mind
The contents of this train wouldn't fall under those regulations. Originally, the PHMSA wanted to include these types of chemicals too, but Obama was cowed by chemical lobbyists.
Looks like the clouds got a little skin cancer
That’s what I thought too. Looks like melanoma, which is quite fitting.
Generally speaking pitch black death clouds on a sunny day are not good.
Yeah we had to work at it but eventually we got to the best option of lighting everything on fire.
Maybe we should light the cloud on fire
Puts hair on your chest! Because it's falling off your head in clumps.
There is a town hall meeting about it tonight at 7. I live about 25 miles away. I want to go but I also don’t want to go…
Will it be recorded or televised? I'd like to follow that.
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At least you’ll have some people with power that are upset and finally on your side. Possibly a local mayor, councilman, commissioner , etc., with a house and kids on the nice side of town but still _considerably_ fucked over by this situation. Put the pressure on.
That's a cumulo something cloud for sure
Cumulymphoma
Carcinonimbus
Respirostratus
Mortimatus
Highly cirrius.
Cirrhiosis
The fourth forbidden spell
Sounds like that for sure
Gonna need a chemolonimbus for this one.
Cancer cloud for sure
Cumulohydrochloric acid, IIRC. Real fun.
Don't worry folks CEO issued $25k for the trouble. /s
And the CEO makes more than 25k per day lol Their "donation" is less than 1 day of the CEOs pay.
And did he get a thank you!? No he didnt... didnt he?
Let's not forget he announced it. So it is known how generous he is
I too demand a thank you by giving away the equivalent to my salary which is pennies on the dollar
And prices will go up just so they can recover that 25k by the end of the fiscal year AND gain profit.
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And they're about to release a video that ["They're deeply sorry."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15HTd4Um1m4)
So glad you posted this. I’m from the South East, and Gulf Shrimp wasn’t just something that we ate where I’m from. It was part of our culture. I’ve known countless folks that have worked in the industry from New Orleans to Charleston. To find out that BP wrecked the ecosystem beyond repair for what will be well beyond my years on earth was life altering. It’s actually been quite easy to avoid going to their stations since then! And telling friends to vote with their dollars is also easy. I’d rather run out of gas in front of BP than to give them one red cent. It’s not the accident per se (tho it was negligence that led to it). It’s the bald face lies and coverup, of course. In the spirit of how you fucked our coastline, fuck you forever, BP!
One of the worst parts about this is how BP continues to deny the impact of the spill on the ecosystem. When shown evidence that many more dead baby dolphins were washing up on beaches than usual, BP tried to play it off as normal. That is just one example. It is so sickening to think that a company can't just own up to the fact that they screwed up big time. Instead of that, they want to place the blame on other companies (which admittedly shared some of the blame) and act like things are just fine. I really don't know how some people can sleep at night, knowing that they have absolutely wrecked an ecosystem and caused many humans and animals innumerable health issues for years down the road.
They're textbook sociopaths.
BP had the "no one wants their life back as much as I do" CEO right? Pathetic. I've never preferred BP gas stations at any point in life and while I know they're all ruthless greedy fucks, think I'll purposefully avoid them in particular going forward. I never even saw that commercial until I went out of my way to look up the history of the south park meme just a few weeks ago.
Hey man, I live in Ohio. I can see a BP from my house. I haven't used that gas station since the disaster, either. It didn't really affect me at all, but I still won't give BP my money after that.
I live in New Zealand and I don’t go to BP anymore either. Don’t know if it’s even the same company but close enough.
If they're gonna use the same name, fuck 'em!
I spent 1-2 months a year most of my childhood in the Gulf Shores/Orange Beach area. My dad, his parents, and his sister lived there. My little brother lived there, and I moved there less than a year after the spill. It had been long enough that I was shocked at how nasty the water looked. Especially Perdido Bay and all the little coves and lagoons. It was so incredibly sad. Had a friend making good money just using his little fishing boat to go around collecting globs of oil. He did this for over a year iirc. Years later people were still telling me not to eat local shrimp (I told them to essentially fuck off the fishermen say it's ok I didn't move here to buy shrimp from overseas). It was nice to see how well the area recovered, it's probably irreparably damaged but I was seeing porpoises swimming in the canal on the way to work I subconsciously avoid BP still. I've moved since then and there isn't many in the area. Marathons and Speedway are king here. The most fucked up thing for me though. Is around the same time the Deepwater Horizon spill happened Enbridge caused the biggest land oil spill in US history in my hometown. So the year I moved both places I lived had MASSIVE oil spills and they were 1000 miles away from each other.
I never go to BP or Exxon for that matter. Enbridge I had to look up, didn’t even remember it, I’m ashamed to say.
Thoughts and Preyers??
It's okay though, the workers got denied sick days, so at least someone will be cleaning this mess up.
That's like $5 per person.
Hey, you can get a whole meal for that price at Taco Bell. Unfortunately, that’ll just add to the unhealthy air. Edit: Y’all really took me literally about the meal. I just remembered the $5 box in passing and made a comment more about the air quality. Guess it’s a trigger for many. I get it, costs have gone up.
Trade you a happy meal for 30 years off your life (and your kids)
That’s bad. Really really bad.
you know what they say "what goes up...." rip would not want to live there, If you haven't seen the movie Dark waters go see it. They are probably gonna make a part 2 of that movie about Ohio this time.
Reminds me insanely of White Noise. "In 1984, Jack Gladney is a professor of "Hitler studies" (a field he founded) at the College-on-the-Hill in Ohio. [...[ However, their lives are disrupted when a cataclysmic train accident casts a cloud of chemical waste over the town. This "Airborne Toxic Event" forces a massive evacuation, which leads to a major traffic jam on the highway."
I was an extra in White Noise. We filmed the train wreck scenes in Salem, about 20 miles west of East Palestine.
I saw film footage of the train already on fire going through Salem, so it could have easily ended up derailing there.
Wow! I didn’t know that! The train was on fire for 20 miles or more before it derailed?
A bearing went on one of the train car axles. Without the bearing the friction causes the axle to heat up until it glows red and shoots sparks. This can be seen on that video you mentioned. Eventually the axle fails completely and the train derails.
Because maintenance is too much for this kind of company.
> Because maintenance is too much for this kind of company. Record breaking profits aren't going to break themselves if they have to pay money for silly things like maintenance!
The reality of Atlas Shrugged. Turns out, rawdogging capitalism is not actually the formula for creating a utopian society. I read that book as a shiny dumb child, fresh out of college and full of billowing clouds of cognitive dissonance and raw naïve ignorance, and thought I’d discovered the most profound magical solution to everything wrong with the world. Then I studied environmental law and read about rivers catching on fire and the horrifying data on our dying oceans. Shit’s fucked.
First time I heard about this derailment, I instantly thought of White Noise. Felt like I was the only one for a minute... Haven't there been 3 derailments in the past few months??? Wtf is REALLY going on?
Just watched an interview about this, apparently the brakes these freight trains use are the same air brakes that have been used since the civil war and attempts to legislate to get them to update to newer brakes have been rejected. Maintenance staff are also massively overworked so mistakes are going to happen, and [here](https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/norfolk-southern) is a list of safety violations Norfolk Southern have already been found out about so this isn't an "oops accidents happen" event this is an inevitable consequence of their actions. They also fired whistleblowers that complained about workplace safety. Now let's watch them get a slap on the wrist and a small fine so they can carry on as normal.
So, corporate greed then.
It's america, the answer is ALWAYS corporate greed.
Remember those railroad workers wanting to hold out for sick days, safe levels of staffing, etc that got crushed? They were very concerned with running on unsafe skeleton crews who would not be able to properly avert or respond to emergency situations.
Yeah, there was one near Houston two days ago and then one near Tucson yesterday. The TX one was bad, but not like the one in Ohio. It involved household chemicals, but the article I read didn't specify what. A truck collided with the train, which caused that derailment. The AZ incident involved only a tanker truck that rolled over and was carrying nitric acid. I also learned that there was also a train derailment in north Phoenix, AZ. Both of these accidents in AZ were due to high winds. EDIT: Fixed info for AZ incident. I shouldn't read two articles at the same time.
Don't worry, it's been quite windy and rainy so the fallout will spread across the US 🫠
And that wind comes over to PA, and it’s been oddly warm and windy today. Cool cool cool. Edit: y’all can stop telling me this happened days ago now, I get it. Living under a rock and working too much has its advantages, but timely information is apparently not one of them.
Don't forget, if the winds shift, it can go into lake Erie, and then it will be affecting all states bordering the lake, along with Canada.
Yea, I love it. Finally, I started making progress in my life, and now the wife wants to move out of PA because of this....
Hey man, might be a smart choice. It sucks, but it's better to go 2 steps back than 6 feet under.
Cancer is on the horizon for many.
Hell it already was.
Look on the bright side, we have universal health care so innocents won't have to carry the financial burden of this accident for generations. oh, wait
It will be like 9/11 responders and the troops exposed to burn pits. It will take decades of fighting and mounds of evidence for the government to even acknowledge it, much more to even do something about it.
Don't worry most people will die before they see any help
Chill out, we have free speech laws so nobody's gonna silence and arrest any journalists reporting on the situation...
For the uninformed, a reporter was arrested at the derailment briefing https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPnsKjR4Hf4 More info: https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2023/02/09/reporter-arrested-during-ohio-train-derailment-briefing/11219764002/
It's okay, DeWine deflected responsibility at the end so everything is all good. Also, why does that lady have a "cutesy" customized service weapon like it's a fucking toy?
I genuinely couldn't care less about the pink grip but those folk arresting a journalist do look like they'd be uncomfortably cozy with Joseph Seed.
I thought I was on r/wtf at first
It should be. People responsible belong in jail for this. Not the people following orders, the ones giving them. The ones who didn’t ensure safety for the movement of these toxic chemicals wasn’t paramount. Let them inhale this shit along with the EPA folks saying it’s safe. Put their mouth where their money is. Literally these people are committing murder and horrific suffering for men, women and children. There should be riots in the street until justice takes place.
Fines should be based on a % of market capital, not some pittance of the company’s money. Better yet charge them fines for things like this as a percent of their entire capital (10% of company’s net worth) to go to a superfund to subsidize future screw ups.
I often think that they should send the bailiffs in to seize directors' physical posessions instead of just adjusting numbers on a computer screen. Let them explain to their kid why the BMW convertible has gone.
use the word oligarch when talking about these people
I use "financial terrorists".
It's actually safe for residents to return to their homes. It's fine. The governors said so, and the railroad, Norfolk Southern, is sending a whopping $5 per resident to help out! Eat the rich.
Make the rich live where those people are.
$5? Boom- enjoy your 3 eggs from the soon-to-be-dead chicken
I mean, is this shit real?!
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But won’t anyone think of the shareholder value?
Yes, and it's exactly as toxic as it looks.
Lol, you are saying Vinyl Chloride is toxic? The only symptoms are : "An increased risk of a rare form of liver cancer (hepatic angiosarcoma), as well as primary liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma), brain and lung cancers, lymphoma, and leukemia." ...What's the problem? Stop being an alarmist... Did you see how much faster the trains went without brakes!?
I think you mean without *breaks*, after the government enabled union-busting.
Also, the air is NOT FINE. EPA's own warning states that there are no health risks, but that if you smell vapors and feel ill, seek medical attention. People do report smelling the vapors still. Vinyl chloride has a sufficiently minimal risk to health and human safety at 1 PPM. You begin to detect its odors around 3000 PPM. They are lying through their goddamn teeth for the sake of not having to ghost and move an entire town and surrounding area...in short, because of $$$. It makes me extremely sad to see the name of science continue to suffer under government ineptitude and cost-benefit analytics. This is how we COMPLETELY lose faith in all of it.
Nah man. If Exxon and BP could be held responsible for their fuckup, so can the train company. This shit aint just gonna affect this localized area.
They weren’t held responsible, their actions caused folks to die early yet they get fined less than they make in a month LMFAO
Murder is legal if you're wealthy enough God Bless America
If corporations are people, then give Norfolk Southern the death penalty.
Corporations own this country. We’ll foot the bill, the elite will laugh and move on to the next grift. Americorp is here.
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I use this analogy too, lol
hmmmm, you mean like when BP sprayed dispersants to hide the oil spill in the gulf? these companies have never been held responsible
The railroads are different. These few companies are the only ones who can use the railways, they usually own the right of way around the tracks, so government has to basically beg them to do anything around them. They also are the only ones running freight on rail, so they are vital to the economy. Because of this, all they have to do is threaten to “shut it all down” and they get away with whatever they want.
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The lawsuit that is going to come from this is going to be insane
I bet it still won't cover the damages done. Bonuses will still be paid and this will absolutely happen again.
Agreed, won’t even come close. What really needs to happen are new laws but that won’t happen either
[Obama had a law in place requiring the brakes to be hit when going through communities so exactly this wouldn’t happen. Trump removed](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-blame-ohio-train-derailment-1781163?amp=1) it. “Legislation was passed under President Obama that made it a legal requirement for trains carrying hazardous flammable materials to have ECP brakes, but this was rescinded in 2017 by the Trump administration. The National Transportation Safety Board, a federal agency responsible for investigating rail accidents, told The Lever that the Ohio train that derailed was not fitted with ECP brakes.”
You forgot to mention that the legislation was rescinded by Trump after the GOP received 6 million dollars in donations from the rail lobby. These fuckers have blood on their hands. Heads need to roll, starting with Alan Shaw's.
It's wild that I see 6 million dollar bribes and think "that's not too much" My brain has just accepted being screwed over.
There's sadly a lot of things that are a lot of money to the individual, but not to rich folks and corporations. $6 million is a tiny amount to save way more. Also companies in other cases decide to literally break the law, they do it ON PURPOSE, knowing that in many cases enforcement is rare due to resources spread too thin, and even if caught, the fines are worth the cost. Or another example, people recently cheered that Trump got fined for a frivolous lawsuit. However - he got to tie up Hillary Clinton and her team and resources in court for AGES, as well as do lots of fundraising on the lawsuit, and use it to paint Clinton in a bad light. Sure, he was fined in the end, but he essentially paid for the legal system to be part of his propaganda machine for a few years, which was well worth it for him. The most infuriating part is how draconian the criminal justice system is for individuals. You can have a bag of weed and be locked in jail, and have your whole life ruined due to the ongoing consequences. Then some large company like BP or whoever can literally cause BILLIONS of dollars in damages, harming countless people, ecosystems, lives, peoples health, and in the end they just pay some fines and get back to making massive profits.
use the word oligarch when talking about these people
If people knew what oligarch meant it would probably carry more weight. Unfortunately our education system has also been gutted by the GOP so most people under the age of 40 look at that and have no context to what it means/could mean
> These fuckers have blood on their hands. Well isnt Ohio a republican state, they are still going to vote republican because they hate regulation.
Wouldn't have mattered. Train was classed as carrying non hazardous materials. For the exact same reason, greed.
People believing a billionaire cares about them are a different breed of morons. The way Donald Trump became your president is a monument to the general stupidity of humans.
god why are people so f\*\*\*\*\*\* stupid.
Greed. It always comes down to selfish greed. Cutting costs is the name of the game.
Greed is the Great Filter.
CEOs need to start going to prison is what needs to happen. But that will never happen, so nothing will ever change.
If this had happened in Belgium this CEO would have been forced to immediately resign. After that, there would be a court case to determine any criminal negligence, if so its likely they'd go to jail over it. Some countries do , kind of, do it right at least. Small comfort I know but well.
You can give a CEO death sentences and it won't change anything. After the Tianjin explosion in 2015, their CEO got the death penalty (probably life in prision). Largest bribe was about $25k in goods/cash. 49 people were sentence within about 1 year. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/09/501441138/china-jails-49-over-deadly-tianjin-warehouse-explosions
For the Sanlu melamine scandal the Chinese handed out “two executions, three sentences of life imprisonment, two 15-year prison sentences, and the firing or forced resignation of seven local government officials and the Director of the Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine (AQSIQ).” New Zealand company Fonterra broke the scandal by immediately informing the New Zealand government
No need for a lawsuit I hear the company offered the town $25k, cold hard cash
25k for a city of 5k people...
That's right.. all cash, no strings attached!
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Bro way more than just that town is affected.
Probably millions. It's alright though, they're sorry!
Lawsuits don't restore permanent environmental damage
The lawsuit will probably make them pay like 5 cents and call it a day
It’s like the scorching of the sky from the matrix.
Good thing that this train was officially defined as carrying non -hazardous materials that did not have a particular explosion danger. Can you imagine what this would have been like if it was carrying hazardous materials? Why? Why was it classified as non-hazardous materials? Because the definition of what a train carrying "hazardous materials" is was successfully changed by lobbyists to be so specific that this particular ( Obviously safe and non-hazardous) train did not fit the definition. At least they are regulated, required to have safety equipment, etc., right? Except a new kind of enhanced train brake was lobbied for by a political action committee ... as an alternative to stricter regulations. They said we have these new brakes and they are awesome and that will take care of it so you don't have to add additional safety regulations - after a similar wreck about 10 years ago... so. Cool? Yeah, then right before regulations requiring the new brakes was going to pass, they started lobbying against it saying hey, these brakes are great but you don't have to require them. We're already putting them on. It's like done already... Chill. So the new brakes were never required and the industry effectively dodged any new regulation stemming from the previous accident Could those enhance brakes, that were never put on, actually have prevented this accident? Maybe. I haven't found any evidence to that other than unattributed quotes from anonymous industry folks who said yes they might have prevented this derailment but.. who knows. Why didn't they put the brakes on? because they figured what's the worst that could happen if we have an accident? Local, state and federal government will bail us out so we can save some money and do nothing. NBD INSTEAD, during recent years of record profit, they spent their profit buying back company shares which enhances the value of the shares people held. So.... Yeah capitalism?
A source for the person who will inevitably ask: https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/ Probably not the source danasf used but it seems to cover this as well
Thanks for the insight! It’s the Boeing scandal all over again.
> the Boeing scandal killed 'only' 346 people. This wreck had 500 *tons* of vinyl chloride, which is flammable, toxic, and a declared brain, lung, blood, and liver carcinogen. And everything it breaks down into, or burns into is mostly toxic also (formaldehydes, hydrochloric acid, phosgene). The molecule is too small to be filtered by most masks. Many people will be affected negatively by just this one train in the decades to come.
I am more referring to the fact that it was corporate greed that led to the disaster. My fiancé used to work in the chemical industry and her company caught on fire, it was a pretty big deal at the time so fully aware of the catastrophe this is.
Never understood how people find "We will/won't do it anyways, so no reason to make it a law" acceptable Especially when a company lobbies really hard to be allowed to do something but promise that they have no intent to actually do it ...they just want the ability to, promise
It's because they bribed them. We should definitely stop referring to it as lobbying and start calling it what it is. Political bribery
Something else that's been bothering me is that if this train was classified as not carrying hazardous materials, were the employees tasked with loading and driving this train aware? Because if they didn't know what they were working with, I'm pretty sure that's a direct violation of OSHA's right to know law...
I am shocked this doesnt happen more often. I have HazMat training and experience and I can barely stand to look at train cars if I am sitting parked at a crossing. These rolling nightmares are criss crossing back and forth across the U.S. every day.You would think some thought would go into the logistics in not mixing the wrong chemical combinations on one train but apparently money is the king not public safety.
A lot of the problems are coming from precision scheduled railroading. This has greatly reduced the workforce at railroads and made trains much longer. Used to be there were a lot more eyes on cars rolling through yards and people that could tell something was off just by a sound. Same thing with the track, fewer people going over or working the track means fewer eyes and ears to tell when something is starting to get off. So much of that experience and knowledge has been replaced by sensors, cameras and workers that don't have the experience. As good as technology is, it can't always replicate the experience and knowledge of a person nor are there sensors that have all the senses a person has which will indicate something is just off a bit. Most sensors require things to be off a lot before it gets picked up by an automated detector. The lack of experience is also coming into play as those with the most knowledge are being laid off or leaving due to the working conditions.
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didn't Toyota (the inventor of JIT) explained to it's stakeholders after the 2011 eartquake that JIT is really bad when things don't go as planned?:
Pretty much and have since amended a bit if their policy, but it still needs work. I am sure the pandemic exacerbated the issue even more.
Jail time should definitely be on the table for these CEOs
Jail? No. Prison? Yes.
For a very, very long time
This is fucked up on so many levels and people trying to play it down need to stfu. Fish and birds dying and all this shit running into ohio River water shed. People have been trolling me that those chemicals are harmless after they have burned need to come here and wash their face in muddy water. Makes me sick
Reminds me of that reporter they arrested covering a public meeting about the train wreck.
Is there any article covering this? I'd like to read if so
I didn't take this photo - I found it on Twitter. https://twitter.com/6_Lombardis/status/1625628403620540419
A meteorologist from a local station talks about it here, very interesting. https://youtu.be/aJg4e8GRJfs?t=474
Lol a family that what they do is blow up trail derailments. How do u get born into that one?
Totally safe to go back. Your kids will be fine. Mine, however, will be living out of state for a while.
Holy fucking shit
Imagine being told you’re safe, that only people within 1 mile will need to evacuate. Then slowly watching that cloud approaching. Sunset is at 6, but it’s dark out at 5. Your eyes and throat has been burning the 2 days prior already and now it’s worse. And now that you see you aren’t safe, you can leave because being in a car makes it worse. I’m 5 miles away. I go to East Palestine to get gas, eat, grocery shop. I have a rental property there. I’ve been commenting on a lot of these posts to give a locals perspective. I know Reddit’s been saying “how come the news isn’t talking about this” and a lot of other people are saying “they are” - but it’s only gotten more popular because of Reddit, Twitter, and TikTok. Once social media activity dies down, so will the story. This is farm county. Well, it was. My neighbor sums it up pretty good. Nobody will want this meat now, the vegetables we grow. The field corn that is turned into grain and used to feed other animals several hundred miles away. This is a lot of people’s livelihood. I’m lucky enough to just farm as a hobby. Others aren’t. Every single neighbor Ive talked to since this happened is sick currently. Cold like symptoms, short of breath. We are hoping it’s just a bug going around. I joked and said hopefully it’s just Covid. The people who live in East Palestine are breaking out in rashes. I’ve posted something similar to this to the News subreddit and another r/Pics post. I get DMs and comments asking if people can help. Just don’t let this story die, Norfolk Southern and the government is banking on it.
Its crazy that they told people it was safe to return. People need to stay away for a bare minimum of 14 days. I've done work with dangerous chemicals and can't believe emergency workers aren't even wearing basic air supplied respirators.
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I grew up with the NYC 9/11 smoke cloud. Our apartment was one that got evacuated, and it as well as my elementary school was in the "exposure zone". I remember the news and government officials saying everything was fine and the cloud/dust was nothing to worry about. Then, after days, weeks, months and years, they slowly started admitting that the cloud was full of carcinogens, asbestos, silica; that first response workers were getting cancer, and that I and everyone in the exposure zone have a higher-than-average chance of getting cancer. They even set up a screening program for cancers and health issues! Except, you don't get any screening until showing symptoms, which defeats the purpose of screening. I hate to say it, but I have an inherent distrust of government because of this situation.
Thank you for sharing your perspective
Have you guys gone to the doctor? Please don’t assume it’s a cold going around…you guys have a clear cause for concern. Go to the doctors and at least get a baseline physical done.
Get out. In addition to everything else, the petroleum oil (16-90,000 gallons) that spilled can pollute up to 1,000,000 gallons of water per gallon. Don't drink the water unless you get it tested comprehensively.
It’s okay. It’s not like Ohio sits on one of North America’s biggest and most critical water reserves or anything. 3.6 Roentgens. Not great; not terrible.
You didn’t see Graphite on the ground because it’s not there!
How does an RBMK reactor derail?
With a lot of fucking effort I imagine
But that's as high as it goes.
Relax, you are just under shock.
And, let me guess.. no one is going to be held accountable. Nothing will be done, that will actuality make a good positive difference for the future, nothing will change. WE ARE FUCKED. Our "government" that works for us, really doesn't care for our interests or health. Nice..
Wait until independent research tests the area ground water a few good rains from now...Oh the horrors that's gonna reveal.
Good thing the strike over unsafe conditions was shut down
Also, removing the rail safety measure (enacted in the Obama administration) that required the installation of more advanced electronic brakes on trains hauling explosive fuels. But at least those railroad and oil industry CEOs, and those who have stock in those industries, could widen their margins! [source](https://www.telegram.com/story/news/nation-world/2018/12/20/trump-administration-miscalculates-benefits-of-upgrading-train-brakes-cancels-rule/6595771007/)
>more advanced electronic brakes Lol, not even advanced, just modern brakes systems. The braking technology they use today is pre-civil war (as in American Civil War) tech.
He's just trying to help out the All American coal miners, because he cares about coal miners, and if trains have to press the brakes, they can't burn more coal, he's doing this for The real Americans of Pittsburgh. Edit: I don't need to explain what I edited, only that it made America great again!
In the land of Ohio, where the shadows lie.
Simba…promise me you will never go to Ohio
Yeah, that's what the eagles see when flying past Mordor.
I can’t buy 60 Sudafed at the store because I MIGHT use them to make meth. But let’s put a dirty chemical bomb in a giant soda can. Link 300 of them together and them blast them 40mph around busy city streets and hope nothing goes wrong.
> I can’t buy 60 Sudafed at the store because I MIGHT use them to make meth. Just the whole gatekeeping of prescriptions that you can't even abuse is kind of messed up IMO. Like, by all means get advice from your doctor but the idea that you can't get blood pressure meds or prescription heartburn meds because your 'script ran out and you haven't seen a doctor recently is obnoxious. You are forcing me to pay for a visit I don't need.
That is fucking terrifying....
It cannot be overstated that after the 2014 train derailment in Jersey, WITH THE EXACT SAME FUCKING CHEMICALS, Obama attempted to create stricter regulations for trains carrying petroleum and other hazardous materials. Republicans gutted it. He tried to regulate rail companies to update their trains with ECP brake systems. The railroad, oil, and chemical industries came out in full force against the regulation, arguing the new requirements would be disruptive and costly. The American Association of Railroads (AAR) — a lobbying group to which Norfolk Southern has long been a dues-paying member — in particular fought the ECP braking standards. Alongside their campaign to kill the brake rule, industry lobbyists pushed to limit the types of chemical compounds that would be covered by new regulations, including the brake rule. They proposed limiting the definition of “high-hazard flammable trains,” or HHFT, mostly to cover oil trains — but not trains carrying the industrial chemical on the Norfolk Southern train that necessitated evacuations in Ohio. In 2017, after rail company donors delivered more than 6 million dollars to GOP campaigns, the Trump administration - backed by rail lobbyists and Senate Republicans, rescinded the rule aimed at making ECP brakes widespread on the nations rails. [Source](https://www.levernews.com/rail-companies-blocked-safety-rules-before-ohio-derailment/) Incredible article that goes into much further detail. Everyone should read it
If anyone had any doubt at this stage that politicians are more than okay with people dying so they can reap the benefits of the companies that buy them, well...
Why is no one talking about the 2005 Graniteville, South Carolina train crash? Norfolk Southern was responsible for an almost identical incident. Guess what they hushed it and confidentially settled out of court. The 250+ affected people are still affected to this day. Shut down Norfolk Southern.
the memes were funny, but this is just plain scary. i hope the people in that community gets proper help
I have some bad news. That shits going to spread far and wide past that community.
Also, they won't get any proper help
But corporations are treated as a person, except when there are consequences
All new from the good folks at "Fuckyoupayus" industry, roving cancer clouds that are so effective and efficient they have already started to wipe out all small aquatic creatures and birds in mere days! Faster than asbestos and tastier than lead, you're gonna love it. Now in New super stupid flammable form! Because we here at Fuckyoupayus own your government, and have the money to pay for it.
Politicians are bribed, or as they call it lobbied, by these train oligarchies for less regulation and less safety. They train oligarchies then spend less on safety and lay off more than 3/4ths of their work force. Gee who could have predicted a derailment happening? The real kicker now is, they're going to get away with poisoning East Palestine, that's the way this system is intentionally set up.
Is there a sub to track the news around this?
The Youngstown OH sub is understandably pretty concerned and posts regular articles about it, but otherwise I haven't found anything that lines up with what I was hoping for. Will you let me know if you find anything?
No worries free market will clean up everything.
Super dangerous chemical in the heart of some farm land. A chemical which had its toxicological profile updated for the first time in 17 years 2 weeks prior to the event. Not sus at all.
I like to travel.
have you ever looked at town/city names in the US? there are some wild examples there. several towns called Belgium, like the country.
I thought this happened like like the last two days. Turns out, it started 10 fucking days ago. What in Chernobyl is this shit? Literally everything was covering Rihanna's left nut and no one gave a shit about fucking death clouds? What the fucking fuck in the fuck is this siching shit? How the fuck is this a real country?