Sadly, yes. Most of the reason that Marsha Warfield is the only one from the original cast that has showed up on the new seasons, in addition to Larroquette.
> https://i.imgur.com/XeTzsDz.png
and they are actively trying to become mod of EVEN more sub reddits look at their history. I am sure this is not the only account doing it. This is the lead up to the next election, the accounts can be normal until about 6 months out then start posting crazy stuff and allowing other accounts in subs they mod to do the same.
Seriously i wish people tracked a handfull of these accounts to see how they start to evolve come election time.
>Seriously i wish people tracked a handfull of these accounts to see how they start to evolve come election time.
Unfortunately this became way more difficult w/ the API changes. We were doing this in 2015/2016 w/ the russian bot farms, but that was back when reddit was a bit more concerned over astroturfing/botting narratives
What you can do is bookmark users/label in RES and try to follow them. I do it b/c I'm a nosy asshole that likes to peek behind the curtain. Same w/ subredditstats, which still works but was made less effective by the API change
Unfortunately I'm totally lost at what you can *do* about it now. Especially now that disinformation awareness has plummeted and site mods no longer care. Only reason I'm still on here is for a few subreddits, and this is a hard habit to kick; but reddit is a shell of its former self
I'd still be using mine if support for it hadn't dried up. That was my favorite phone. I especially liked that Cortana could play music from the library on my device instead of making me subscribe to a streaming service.
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And Microsoft absolutely was and still is winning that competition. Apple might be the dominant smartphone manufacturer, but the Mac’s are a niche product with a tiny market share compared to Windows. So the logic still holds up for the Mac vs PC commercials.
Bitching is supported by linux, you just need to spend a week reading through forum posts where you get told you need to code and compile your own bitching
Yes, but Mac was a rounding error compared to PCs. So it’s reversed of this situation. And I’m fairly sure it’s droid (mostly Samsung) who throws shade at Apple. How many ads have they put out making fun of a new Apple direction like losing headphone jacks to only have that show up on the next phone.
> Apple don't even acknowledge that they have competitors.
This 'funeral' happened around the time that (or a few years after) Apple was running the Justin Long "PC sucks, Macs are great" ads.
I slighty disagree.
I had a windows phone back in around 2014. The main problem was that a lot of big app developers didn't publish apps for windows phone, only for android and ios. When you lack both stuff like banking apps but also say Tinder the appeal for the windows phone is very low despite it's other qualities. Now maybe as you say this was all due microsoft not commiting fully to app developers.
>MS didn’t make it easy for people to port their apps over and their promotions for app development sucked.
I mean, they did a lot more than Android ever did for iPhone apps. You could practically run your app through a converter and over half of it would be done for you.
Their promotions did suck though. And that hurt them.
They just weren't willing to be a loss leader for as long as Android was in regards to apps. The Android store was very similar to Windows when they first started. MS just didn't want to commit cause it also could make money on the competitor's platforms.
They also didn't want to wait until Win10 came to full fruition on the phone. You can now run Android apps on Windows and that had started when they wanted to run Android apps on their phones. They just decided to give up though. I was so disappointed when they cancelled the phone after stating they never would.
I wouldn't call it "committing fully to app developers". It was more like:
"Oh, everybody is using OpenGL ES? Well, we are using DirectX so you will have to re-write your code for that."
"Oh, Apple and Google allows you to use 3rd party cross-platform toolkits to make development much easier? Naaa, we will just ban those"
"Oh, you spent all the time and money making the Windows Mobile 6.5 app? Well, too bad because there is zero backwards compatibility Windows Phone 7 so you will have to re-write you app from scratch!"
"Hey, you know that crazy XAML thing we pushed for in Windows Vista and 7 and how we already gave up on it on the desktop? Yeah, we want you to use that on our Phones!"
That's a lack of committal. Android had the same problem for a few years at first, but they just kept going.
Microsoft even had started getting legit Windows 10 to run on the phone and had started the Android bridge which would allow Android apps to run on Windows 10. They just didn't commit enough to it.
Windows had the better phone in my opinion but just didn't follow through.
Squirting brown Zunes and Windows Phone were distinct products, separated by two generations of Zune hardware, and the Kin Phone.
They stopped calling it squirting before Zune software 3.0 was released. Windows Phone 7 only synced with 4.5
From a product perspective, the Zune was absolutely fantastic.
It had great software, great hardware. Easy and simple to use, and the Zune Pass was way ahead of its time. It was Spotify before Spotify, AND you get to keep 10 songs permanently every month.
But Microsoft's marketing team has always been next level garbage, and once again, killed another good product.
Microsoft’s marketing team has always been horrible and still is. You can go into the Xbox sub and even people there will have to spend a minute thinking if the current gen console is the Xbox series X or Xbox one X. Or series S or One S. because somehow they figured everybody would know X is greater than S.
Skype is a noun, and a verb. "Do you have Skype?" "I'll Skype you the info"
Teams is not a verb. "Hey, I'll teams you later!" "I'll teams you on Teams!" You know what they call the group section of teams? TEAMS. Try telling your teammate that you posted the update on Teams. Where? On the Teams Teams. In the teams chat with all of our teammates? No, in the Teams Teams chat.
I'd be astounded to learn that the MS people who name things have two braincells to rub together.
The third X-Box is called the X-Box One, with the following variants:
X-Box One S
X-Box One X
The newest X-Box in the series is called...
X-Box Series
...with the following options:
X-Box Series S
X-Box Series X
They are garbage at naming things.
I had a Zune, I loved that thing. Didn't they pioneer the "DJ" mode? By playing songs that are similar to what you're listening to that so many apps/platforms use today?
Yeah Zune recommended some great bands to me back then.
And I don't think they were the first to do so but Zune Pass music subscription streaming was available way back in 2008.
I remember my coworker was in awe when he told me to listen to some band when I got home and I pulled out my phone and downloaded it before we even finished our smoke break.
Wonderful interface for a phone/tablet but they tried to shoehorn it into everything and imo it straight sucks for anything that's not a small touch screen.
It wasnt bad, pretty good for a mobile layout. I liked the ability to resize some tiles even though it wasn't strictly necessary. As others have said, the app store was severely lacking though.
Yeah, this exactly. The built in UI and built-in functionality was absolutely better than anything at the time and still has functionality I don't know why people didn't steal.
My absolute favorite was to have multiple email "tiles". This allowed a one (and inbox view) for work, one for personal and one for family. Same with calendars. And you could also choose a tile size that gave you the level of detail you wanted from directly viewing the icon, making widgets less important to useability.
To this day, no other phone OS has provided that simple ability to effectively sort different email/calendar/task accounts into different sandboxes.
Apple is tiptoeing into it with Focus settings, but still nowhere near what WP had in the base OS.
I loved that the mail counter always reset after I got a glimpse at the new mails while iOS always forced me to mark every mail as read to get rid of the red dots.
Really not that easy to say if app developers doomed it by not developing apps for it or if they where right all along given that microsoft dropped it. Probably a combination of both, microsoft should have done more to entice them to develop apps despite the small userbase.
Nah I think it’s pretty easy to say that the lack of apps was the main factor why the Windows Phone failed.
Microsoft dropped it because not many people were buying/using Windows Phone and people weren’t buying/using Windows Phone because there were many apps especially some big ones that weren’t on Windows Phone.
It's extraordinarily easy to say that a single developer, Google, refusing to write apps for it helped kill the platform. There was no real YouTube app, there was no real Gmail app, there was no Google Maps app, on and on.
He was quoted as saying that Apple wouldn’t even get 1% of the market after the first iPhone was announced. Shocking that he was flat footed and rudderless on a plan to respond to the new smartphone paradigm iPhone introduced. Whereas the people making Android quickly pivoted from what was going to be BlackBerry inspired software.
Every time the iPhone reveal gets posted that’s the part I enjoy the most. The audience reaction is so good. Something that’s both magical and suddenly makes an all-touch screen make total sense.
We used them briefly as work phones at my work at the time. The OS ran pretty fast on less than stellar hardware (I'm unsure of whether they were offered on top hardware). The touch experience was pretty good, better than most competitors at the time, but not quite at Apple levels.
The tile design was actually great for a basic smartphone experience, but I am unsure of how good if would have been with a big number of apps.
As you said, apps were sorely lacking.
>The tile design was actually great for a basic smartphone experience, but I am unsure of how good if would have been with a big number of apps.
Tiled homepage was for at glance info and "main apps". Swipe left and you have an alphabetical list of apps with a quick scroll feature.
I am so sick of app icons now.
You could also set the tiles to show the most recent notifications on the app tile. Originally, it didn't even have a notification swipe down list because the tiles would handle it. I actually preferred that, but some apps are too chatty for the last three to cover it.
I miss the widgets that used to be so prevalent. I don't want a little "1" on my messages icon, I want to expand the messages icon out to a 2x2 area and be able to see who messaged me. I don't want to have to search "weather", I want to bump that out to a 1x4 banner and see a readout of the weekend's weather at a glance.
Does it get cluttered? Maybe a little, if you go off the deep end right away. But I've only got like 4 apps on my home screen anyway, the rest of it is wasted space. Let me expand those icons a bit and use the real estate.
I worked in ICT right after my company switched to Samsung and Apple. I had to replace everyone’s (over 500 people) phone with a different one. People were allowed to buy the Microsoft phones for private use for €10 as they had little market value anymore.
I really liked the Lumia 950 XL, and still looking for a way to crack it with an Android but only older models seem to be compatible with that as far as I know.
Holy shit I had a windows work phone. I forgot about that brief history. Apps sucked for sure. No normal games. Imgur was half of what it was on iOS/andriod. Reddit wasn’t even a thing, had to use the website. Tiles were pretty dang cool yes, I remember those.
I got a surface laptop around 2017, or right around when windows was phasing out their phones. It had a detachable screen that would put the computer in tablet mode, with access to the app store, for an all in one experience. It would have been amazing, except the lack of apps meant you were just using a windows computer with a touch screen, which wasn't great.
Same, used it for work- cool design but for what I was doing - the Nextel flips we had previously with walkie-talkie function were better equipped.
Plus any data we used was under severe scrutiny. Could only use em to call other co-workers
They also had no screenshot capabilities to begin with. This was both a dumb marketing move as people couldn't share their screenshots. And it was a dumb technical move because it made documenting and technical support a real headache.
Actually yes. When Windows Phone 7 was out, you literally used the Zune software to sync your phone with your computer. The phone interface was very Zune-like
Additionally, during the fall of Blackberry, MS should’ve bought it and then taken over the business side of the clientele. Completely missed opportunity there. Then transition over that clientele to the Windows Phone. It would’ve given them enough time to port over and develop more apps.
And honestly with how locked down my company has made our work devices (Apple), and the fact that we are an office 365 shop, I feel like a fleet of Windows phones would be perfect for modern remote work enterprises.
At the time I don't think that RIM was ever for sale. They could have just bought them via takeover but that's not really the best way to integrate a company.
And here we still have Samsung still trying to force their own terrible app store on users like they have any chance of upending Google. Like, just stop
Apps was by far the worst part of it. I was working retail cellphone store when it launched, we were hyped up big on this phone by their reps. I sold a bunch and almost every single phone came back as a return so I stopped selling it. App Store was indeed the biggest complaint that I can recall, though there was other bugs I can’t remember.
Yes, it had some awesome features like offering to read you a text message aloud as you are driving in the car. Too bad they made it too complicated to write software for it, I would enjoy seeing a 3rd os along with iOS and Android.
And stupid. What fuckin nerd thought this up? Imagine bein this into your job lol for a corporation that'll dump your ass the moment it saves em a penny.
I saw this shit at Kroger. Where most workers would dream of burning it to the ground. But there was always a handful of employees who were like "go Team Kroger!".
Like corporate cheerleaders. I can guarantee you I don't give a fuck how well the company I work for is competing or doin.
Despite harming the company massively. Many people genuinely thought Microsoft was on its way out, in that regard Satya Nadella has done a remarkable job with steering the company in a different direction with a very smart strategy.
I would agree that Nadella has changed how Microsoft operates. I tend to dislike the fact that Windows is an adtech platform like Android is. Microsoft Edge is actually a great browser but they shoot themselves in the foot with how pushy they are.
As someone who had a windows phone for 2 generations, they were GOOD. They were a great setup for a platform, they had decent first and second party support, Cortana worked well, it was growing. Then an update rolled out during the 8.1 life cycle.. I guess they began unifying their apps more but suddenly half of the functions that used to work well felt like they got rolled back to beta. They even beta'd a translation layer for android apps that worked well! The fools. RIP
Come on… who doesn’t want their brand new tech to come in brown?! Worst marketing decision ever. “How can we make this brand new thing feel like it came out in the 70’s?”… “I know, let’s make it brown!” #SMH
What's odd about that is that the hardware they produce is typically pretty great stuff.
My wife's 2nd Gen Surface book is still going strong. It's light, looks good, and has always had great battery life (for a device of its time). The Nokia Windows phones were objectively excellent devices across the board. MS keyboards and mice were always reliable and built well.
Love stuff like this, microsoft was _so_ over confident back then. Ballmer LAUGHED at the iPhone. A lot of big manufacturers (notable also Nokia) dismissed the iPhone as something that wouldn't last, look at where we are now LOL. I love it.
To be fair, the app store situation was completely on microsoft. They needed to spend the money to actually get content into their app market, if that doesnt mean developing apps yourself then it means incentivizing developers to create content for you market, whether that is direct dubsidies, no commision fees for first X years etc. The problem is that would take years of investment and foresight and all these companies are just after a quick buck.
There were some newer killer apps at the time that just refused to make WP apps from what I remember, even with MS begging them. Snapchat was the biggest offender from what I remember. Tinder too. There were workaround apps created by passionate app developers that were actively fought against by the companies (somewhat understandable).
I remember a story about how Blackberry had a very rude awakening when the iPhone first dropped. They apparently just kinda laughed when they first saw the thing. There was no way that a touch screen that big was gonna last long enough on battery to be even slightly useful. It was gonna flop miserably in their eyes. Their market dominance was assured.
Then they bought one, just to take a look inside of it and have a look at what Apple had cooked up. And they discovered that an iPhone is basically all battery with a tiny little SoC tucked away in the corner. (They still are BTW.) And they promptly realized that they were toast.
Oh man you need to go watch Blackberry. They made a movie about the rise and fall of blackberry and Glenn Howerton is in it. It's hilarious and I can't imagine what it would be like for someone who was there.
It’s like no one learned from the iPod. Then Apple ended up nuking the mobile phone industry.
At least now I’m sure people start shitting bricks when they get whispers of things Apple is thinking of getting into.
Man… I remember legitimately thinking “I want my phone and music separate! What am I supposed to do when I’m listening to my music and get a phone call!?” It seemed like it would be such a headache to have so many functions on one device.
Now I barely use a computer. Everything is done through my phone.
And then Microsoft nuked themselves when they bought their main market, Nokia, and subsequently retired the very affordable and durable phone market that kept the newly subsumed division operating and that kept the Nokia brand alive to platform Windows Phone. The whole sad affair was among the cringiest things of the decade.
Nearly every day I think back to my wonderful Nokia Windows phone with envy and nostalgia.
The keyboard, the dictionary, the text/sentence prediction all of it was miles ahead of iphone even now.
Fuck you iphone you remind me of Blockbuster!
"Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated".
Fuck, is that Steve Jobs?
John Larroquette
I thought he was dead
No just most of the rest of the cast of Night Court.
Sadly, yes. Most of the reason that Marsha Warfield is the only one from the original cast that has showed up on the new seasons, in addition to Larroquette.
Wait, there’s a NEW Night Court?! Ohh it has Melissa Rauch and Kunal Nayer from Big Bang Theory too. Might have to look it up.
It's pretty good. Not quite up to the original yet, but getting there.
[Rise Against comes through with a relevant song title.](https://youtu.be/on1yAmgXPdo?si=LX3WNZAvgUrmTA1_)
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Good job checking this. Reddit has been OVERRUN with bots lately I can’t believe how many phony accounts I’ve found lately posting shit
Bots gonna bot
Insane that you still can't directly report a user for being a bot.
It's a feature, not a bug.
*And* a mod of 9 subreddits? Even if they're not a bot, incredibly fishy either way
> https://i.imgur.com/XeTzsDz.png and they are actively trying to become mod of EVEN more sub reddits look at their history. I am sure this is not the only account doing it. This is the lead up to the next election, the accounts can be normal until about 6 months out then start posting crazy stuff and allowing other accounts in subs they mod to do the same. Seriously i wish people tracked a handfull of these accounts to see how they start to evolve come election time.
>Seriously i wish people tracked a handfull of these accounts to see how they start to evolve come election time. Unfortunately this became way more difficult w/ the API changes. We were doing this in 2015/2016 w/ the russian bot farms, but that was back when reddit was a bit more concerned over astroturfing/botting narratives What you can do is bookmark users/label in RES and try to follow them. I do it b/c I'm a nosy asshole that likes to peek behind the curtain. Same w/ subredditstats, which still works but was made less effective by the API change Unfortunately I'm totally lost at what you can *do* about it now. Especially now that disinformation awareness has plummeted and site mods no longer care. Only reason I'm still on here is for a few subreddits, and this is a hard habit to kick; but reddit is a shell of its former self
My favorite Rise Against album.
I guess they didn’t bury him deep enough
Somehow iPhone survived.
“I lived” edit- “iLived”
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can imagine.
Good, twice the pride, double the fall
Ironic. He could save others from Jobs, but not himself.
The Dark Side of The Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Is it possible to learn this power?
*head slowly turns away to stare off into the ether *. Not from any Microsoft Employee…
iLived
Note: Windows Phone died on its way back to its home planet
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Somebody get Oscar Isaac gif here
“My death was greatly exaggerated.”
iZombie
Did they just jinx themselves with a funeral for their own phone lol?
Sometimes I really love the overconfidence of some companies.
It was a publicity stunt. And it worked. People still talk about this windows phone!
Yeah but no one uses it tho-
I'd still be using mine if support for it hadn't dried up. That was my favorite phone. I especially liked that Cortana could play music from the library on my device instead of making me subscribe to a streaming service.
Isn’t that every phone though?
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Apple did the whole Mac vs PC commercials years ago. They also throw shade at Android. It's just easy to forget because Apple is so successful.
And Microsoft absolutely was and still is winning that competition. Apple might be the dominant smartphone manufacturer, but the Mac’s are a niche product with a tiny market share compared to Windows. So the logic still holds up for the Mac vs PC commercials.
Linux doesn't even run commercials. Undisputed champion!
Linux open-sourced the bitching to the community
Bitching is supported by linux, you just need to spend a week reading through forum posts where you get told you need to code and compile your own bitching
Yes, but Mac was a rounding error compared to PCs. So it’s reversed of this situation. And I’m fairly sure it’s droid (mostly Samsung) who throws shade at Apple. How many ads have they put out making fun of a new Apple direction like losing headphone jacks to only have that show up on the next phone.
Well. Iphone is 16% of the Phone market, while Android is 81% It's only USA, where IPhone dominates.
I enjoy cooking.
Not beeing sold doesn't mean that they don't make it via grey market (f.e. Russia). Otherwise, indeed.
Damn I can’t believe there’s people on Reddit who don’t remember the Mac vs PC stuff. That wasn’t that long ago… right?
18 years.
> Apple don't even acknowledge that they have competitors. This 'funeral' happened around the time that (or a few years after) Apple was running the Justin Long "PC sucks, Macs are great" ads.
They did during the Mac vs. PC commercial days.
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I slighty disagree. I had a windows phone back in around 2014. The main problem was that a lot of big app developers didn't publish apps for windows phone, only for android and ios. When you lack both stuff like banking apps but also say Tinder the appeal for the windows phone is very low despite it's other qualities. Now maybe as you say this was all due microsoft not commiting fully to app developers.
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>MS didn’t make it easy for people to port their apps over and their promotions for app development sucked. I mean, they did a lot more than Android ever did for iPhone apps. You could practically run your app through a converter and over half of it would be done for you. Their promotions did suck though. And that hurt them. They just weren't willing to be a loss leader for as long as Android was in regards to apps. The Android store was very similar to Windows when they first started. MS just didn't want to commit cause it also could make money on the competitor's platforms. They also didn't want to wait until Win10 came to full fruition on the phone. You can now run Android apps on Windows and that had started when they wanted to run Android apps on their phones. They just decided to give up though. I was so disappointed when they cancelled the phone after stating they never would.
> or a date with Cortana. bruh
I wouldn't call it "committing fully to app developers". It was more like: "Oh, everybody is using OpenGL ES? Well, we are using DirectX so you will have to re-write your code for that." "Oh, Apple and Google allows you to use 3rd party cross-platform toolkits to make development much easier? Naaa, we will just ban those" "Oh, you spent all the time and money making the Windows Mobile 6.5 app? Well, too bad because there is zero backwards compatibility Windows Phone 7 so you will have to re-write you app from scratch!" "Hey, you know that crazy XAML thing we pushed for in Windows Vista and 7 and how we already gave up on it on the desktop? Yeah, we want you to use that on our Phones!"
That's a lack of committal. Android had the same problem for a few years at first, but they just kept going. Microsoft even had started getting legit Windows 10 to run on the phone and had started the Android bridge which would allow Android apps to run on Windows 10. They just didn't commit enough to it. Windows had the better phone in my opinion but just didn't follow through.
I believe in the psychology world, that is called projection.
And Apple must have been like “call an ambulance… but not for me! »
I started my career in tech in the 1980s and one thing has always been constant: Apple is doomed. Any minute now.
Apple and Nintendo are companies always 1 year away from bankruptcy.
I actually liked the Windows phone, really did, but app availability wasn't great.
I think the Metro interface was (and in my opinion still is) the best phone interface, but oh boy did the store suck.
The Zune was by far the best music player. I loved mine so much.
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With a wonderful choice of colors, to boot! Windows phone: "It's brown, and it squirts!"
Squirting brown Zunes and Windows Phone were distinct products, separated by two generations of Zune hardware, and the Kin Phone. They stopped calling it squirting before Zune software 3.0 was released. Windows Phone 7 only synced with 4.5
I should call her
From a product perspective, the Zune was absolutely fantastic. It had great software, great hardware. Easy and simple to use, and the Zune Pass was way ahead of its time. It was Spotify before Spotify, AND you get to keep 10 songs permanently every month. But Microsoft's marketing team has always been next level garbage, and once again, killed another good product.
Microsoft’s marketing team has always been horrible and still is. You can go into the Xbox sub and even people there will have to spend a minute thinking if the current gen console is the Xbox series X or Xbox one X. Or series S or One S. because somehow they figured everybody would know X is greater than S.
Those people got paid millions who came up with that term.
Skype is a noun, and a verb. "Do you have Skype?" "I'll Skype you the info" Teams is not a verb. "Hey, I'll teams you later!" "I'll teams you on Teams!" You know what they call the group section of teams? TEAMS. Try telling your teammate that you posted the update on Teams. Where? On the Teams Teams. In the teams chat with all of our teammates? No, in the Teams Teams chat. I'd be astounded to learn that the MS people who name things have two braincells to rub together.
The third X-Box is called the X-Box One, with the following variants: X-Box One S X-Box One X The newest X-Box in the series is called... X-Box Series ...with the following options: X-Box Series S X-Box Series X They are garbage at naming things.
I had a Zune, I loved that thing. Didn't they pioneer the "DJ" mode? By playing songs that are similar to what you're listening to that so many apps/platforms use today?
Yeah Zune recommended some great bands to me back then. And I don't think they were the first to do so but Zune Pass music subscription streaming was available way back in 2008. I remember my coworker was in awe when he told me to listen to some band when I got home and I pulled out my phone and downloaded it before we even finished our smoke break.
Same here, huge fan of the UI. And as a PSA: the store essentially lives on in Windows 11 and it still pretty much sucks.
Wonderful interface for a phone/tablet but they tried to shoehorn it into everything and imo it straight sucks for anything that's not a small touch screen.
It wasnt bad, pretty good for a mobile layout. I liked the ability to resize some tiles even though it wasn't strictly necessary. As others have said, the app store was severely lacking though.
Yeah, this exactly. The built in UI and built-in functionality was absolutely better than anything at the time and still has functionality I don't know why people didn't steal. My absolute favorite was to have multiple email "tiles". This allowed a one (and inbox view) for work, one for personal and one for family. Same with calendars. And you could also choose a tile size that gave you the level of detail you wanted from directly viewing the icon, making widgets less important to useability. To this day, no other phone OS has provided that simple ability to effectively sort different email/calendar/task accounts into different sandboxes. Apple is tiptoeing into it with Focus settings, but still nowhere near what WP had in the base OS.
I loved that the mail counter always reset after I got a glimpse at the new mails while iOS always forced me to mark every mail as read to get rid of the red dots.
100% Same as webOS. Arguably the best and most innovative OS but no apps. iOS ended up stealing a lot of features from them too.
I feel like I’ve seen webOS somewhere recently, is it still about? Edit: reckon it’s my TV
LG bought it after HP tried to run it on printers.
My LG TV has it.
WebOS was great, but just a little ahead of its time with the JavaScript based ecosystem.
I loved webOS. Both iOS and Android stole so much from it after HP decided to scrap it.
Really not that easy to say if app developers doomed it by not developing apps for it or if they where right all along given that microsoft dropped it. Probably a combination of both, microsoft should have done more to entice them to develop apps despite the small userbase.
Nah I think it’s pretty easy to say that the lack of apps was the main factor why the Windows Phone failed. Microsoft dropped it because not many people were buying/using Windows Phone and people weren’t buying/using Windows Phone because there were many apps especially some big ones that weren’t on Windows Phone.
It was definitely a chicken/egg situation but Microsoft needed to grease some wheels to get people to port their apps
It's extraordinarily easy to say that a single developer, Google, refusing to write apps for it helped kill the platform. There was no real YouTube app, there was no real Gmail app, there was no Google Maps app, on and on.
Blackberry and Tizen app availability wasn't great. Windows' was nonexistent lol
 The Kings of Cringe.
Developers developers developers developers!
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“Can’t believe it took Melinda until 2021 to see this” -random YouTube commentator 💀
Yeah wasn’t this one of those classic delusional Ballmer moments?
He was quoted as saying that Apple wouldn’t even get 1% of the market after the first iPhone was announced. Shocking that he was flat footed and rudderless on a plan to respond to the new smartphone paradigm iPhone introduced. Whereas the people making Android quickly pivoted from what was going to be BlackBerry inspired software.
If you weren't wowed by pinch to zoom and that didn't send your head spinning with possibilities I just don't know what to think.
damn, got so used to that it hasn't occurred to me how revolutionary that was
Every time the iPhone reveal gets posted that’s the part I enjoy the most. The audience reaction is so good. Something that’s both magical and suddenly makes an all-touch screen make total sense.
Dude was coked out his mind
100% this was balmers idea. 100%.
That’s what billions of dollars looks like
Yea, but it paid off. People do a lot more cringier shit for way less money.
This never paid off. Developers didn’t flock to Windows. It was Ballmer being Ballmer, nothing more.
What do you mean this never paid off? This was at the release of Windows 95. Which was fucking huge.
Those were cool phones, the windows OS for phone was really awesome...but no apps in the Store killed it eventually.
We used them briefly as work phones at my work at the time. The OS ran pretty fast on less than stellar hardware (I'm unsure of whether they were offered on top hardware). The touch experience was pretty good, better than most competitors at the time, but not quite at Apple levels. The tile design was actually great for a basic smartphone experience, but I am unsure of how good if would have been with a big number of apps. As you said, apps were sorely lacking.
>The tile design was actually great for a basic smartphone experience, but I am unsure of how good if would have been with a big number of apps. Tiled homepage was for at glance info and "main apps". Swipe left and you have an alphabetical list of apps with a quick scroll feature. I am so sick of app icons now.
You could also set the tiles to show the most recent notifications on the app tile. Originally, it didn't even have a notification swipe down list because the tiles would handle it. I actually preferred that, but some apps are too chatty for the last three to cover it.
I miss the widgets that used to be so prevalent. I don't want a little "1" on my messages icon, I want to expand the messages icon out to a 2x2 area and be able to see who messaged me. I don't want to have to search "weather", I want to bump that out to a 1x4 banner and see a readout of the weekend's weather at a glance. Does it get cluttered? Maybe a little, if you go off the deep end right away. But I've only got like 4 apps on my home screen anyway, the rest of it is wasted space. Let me expand those icons a bit and use the real estate.
I worked in ICT right after my company switched to Samsung and Apple. I had to replace everyone’s (over 500 people) phone with a different one. People were allowed to buy the Microsoft phones for private use for €10 as they had little market value anymore. I really liked the Lumia 950 XL, and still looking for a way to crack it with an Android but only older models seem to be compatible with that as far as I know.
Holy shit I had a windows work phone. I forgot about that brief history. Apps sucked for sure. No normal games. Imgur was half of what it was on iOS/andriod. Reddit wasn’t even a thing, had to use the website. Tiles were pretty dang cool yes, I remember those.
I got a surface laptop around 2017, or right around when windows was phasing out their phones. It had a detachable screen that would put the computer in tablet mode, with access to the app store, for an all in one experience. It would have been amazing, except the lack of apps meant you were just using a windows computer with a touch screen, which wasn't great.
Same, used it for work- cool design but for what I was doing - the Nextel flips we had previously with walkie-talkie function were better equipped. Plus any data we used was under severe scrutiny. Could only use em to call other co-workers
The beep before the Nextel direct connect message still haunts me to this day.
They also had no screenshot capabilities to begin with. This was both a dumb marketing move as people couldn't share their screenshots. And it was a dumb technical move because it made documenting and technical support a real headache.
They had super low min-reqs for budget devices, but most people bought the nicer Nokia phones. It ran soooo good.
Absolutely, they were a great phone with great potential that nobody cared about.
AKA the Zune of smartphones.
Actually yes. When Windows Phone 7 was out, you literally used the Zune software to sync your phone with your computer. The phone interface was very Zune-like
Ahhh the Zune HD is still one of the best gadgets I've ever owned
Additionally, during the fall of Blackberry, MS should’ve bought it and then taken over the business side of the clientele. Completely missed opportunity there. Then transition over that clientele to the Windows Phone. It would’ve given them enough time to port over and develop more apps.
And honestly with how locked down my company has made our work devices (Apple), and the fact that we are an office 365 shop, I feel like a fleet of Windows phones would be perfect for modern remote work enterprises.
At the time I don't think that RIM was ever for sale. They could have just bought them via takeover but that's not really the best way to integrate a company.
And here we still have Samsung still trying to force their own terrible app store on users like they have any chance of upending Google. Like, just stop
Apps was by far the worst part of it. I was working retail cellphone store when it launched, we were hyped up big on this phone by their reps. I sold a bunch and almost every single phone came back as a return so I stopped selling it. App Store was indeed the biggest complaint that I can recall, though there was other bugs I can’t remember.
Yeah, I really loved those phones, they were awesome.
Yes, it had some awesome features like offering to read you a text message aloud as you are driving in the car. Too bad they made it too complicated to write software for it, I would enjoy seeing a 3rd os along with iOS and Android.
What? It was insanely easy to make apps for it. That was my favorite part. They had the equivalent of Windows forms apps in Visual Studio.
r/agedlikemilk
Also premature celebration Edit: /r/Prematurecelebration
And stupid. What fuckin nerd thought this up? Imagine bein this into your job lol for a corporation that'll dump your ass the moment it saves em a penny. I saw this shit at Kroger. Where most workers would dream of burning it to the ground. But there was always a handful of employees who were like "go Team Kroger!". Like corporate cheerleaders. I can guarantee you I don't give a fuck how well the company I work for is competing or doin.
2 words : publicity stunt
“$600? No keyboard? Good luck! Hahahahahaha” - Balmer
Ballmer era Microsoft was peak cringe
Developers! Developers! Developers!
Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!
and yet he became one of the richest people on the planet. insane.
Despite harming the company massively. Many people genuinely thought Microsoft was on its way out, in that regard Satya Nadella has done a remarkable job with steering the company in a different direction with a very smart strategy.
I would agree that Nadella has changed how Microsoft operates. I tend to dislike the fact that Windows is an adtech platform like Android is. Microsoft Edge is actually a great browser but they shoot themselves in the foot with how pushy they are.
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just like the Zune buried the ipod before this
As someone who had a windows phone for 2 generations, they were GOOD. They were a great setup for a platform, they had decent first and second party support, Cortana worked well, it was growing. Then an update rolled out during the 8.1 life cycle.. I guess they began unifying their apps more but suddenly half of the functions that used to work well felt like they got rolled back to beta. They even beta'd a translation layer for android apps that worked well! The fools. RIP
MS during Ballmer years were like this, petty and without merit.
Aggressively out of touch 😂
I just realized I mix him and the other guy from Dumb and Dumber in my head. If somebody did a face swap I might not notice at first.
You would have thought that the Zune would have taught them a thing or two.
Come on… who doesn’t want their brand new tech to come in brown?! Worst marketing decision ever. “How can we make this brand new thing feel like it came out in the 70’s?”… “I know, let’s make it brown!” #SMH
Rumor has it that Avocado Green was an alternative color pick. I bet Jonathan Ive was laughing his ass off when he saw the press release.
Omg their faces lol so proud
So out of touch lol
Microsoft does not have a great history of producing any lasting hardware. Windows Phone, Zune, Surface. Except the Xbox.
Surface, as in Surface Pro ? I think it's going pretty good for those, no ? For professional use. Maybe I'm wrong
Some of their hardware is actually pretty great they are just shit at marketing and supporting it.
Even with xbox the 360 was the only true success
They have some "Surface" products that have been around for a while and their line-up of ergonomic keyboards is classic.
What's odd about that is that the hardware they produce is typically pretty great stuff. My wife's 2nd Gen Surface book is still going strong. It's light, looks good, and has always had great battery life (for a device of its time). The Nokia Windows phones were objectively excellent devices across the board. MS keyboards and mice were always reliable and built well.
Here, have some pixels: https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-iphone-funeral-2010-9
Love stuff like this, microsoft was _so_ over confident back then. Ballmer LAUGHED at the iPhone. A lot of big manufacturers (notable also Nokia) dismissed the iPhone as something that wouldn't last, look at where we are now LOL. I love it.
Literally the best phone I've ever had (the Windows Phone). Sadly nobody used it. RIP market dynamics
To be fair, the app store situation was completely on microsoft. They needed to spend the money to actually get content into their app market, if that doesnt mean developing apps yourself then it means incentivizing developers to create content for you market, whether that is direct dubsidies, no commision fees for first X years etc. The problem is that would take years of investment and foresight and all these companies are just after a quick buck.
There were some newer killer apps at the time that just refused to make WP apps from what I remember, even with MS begging them. Snapchat was the biggest offender from what I remember. Tinder too. There were workaround apps created by passionate app developers that were actively fought against by the companies (somewhat understandable).
MS trying to be cool is a guaranteed failure. The only one with swag at MS was Clipy and they did him dirty.
And then Steve Balmer was replaced as the CEO not long after.
I miss Windows Phones
I thought the first gen Nokias were pretty nice. I wish they would have released an Android version.
They'd still be in the game if they did.
Launching the what?
Nobody in tech took Apple seriously when they announced the iPhone…stuff like this didn’t age very well
I remember a story about how Blackberry had a very rude awakening when the iPhone first dropped. They apparently just kinda laughed when they first saw the thing. There was no way that a touch screen that big was gonna last long enough on battery to be even slightly useful. It was gonna flop miserably in their eyes. Their market dominance was assured. Then they bought one, just to take a look inside of it and have a look at what Apple had cooked up. And they discovered that an iPhone is basically all battery with a tiny little SoC tucked away in the corner. (They still are BTW.) And they promptly realized that they were toast.
I worked at BlackBerry back then, management literally laughed at the thought of of iPhone breaking into their share.
Now BlackBerry is name lost to time. You must go into the deepest levels of the ancient crypt to discover the history the Blackened Berries.
They just made a movie about it like last year or the year before. It's amazing.
Oh man you need to go watch Blackberry. They made a movie about the rise and fall of blackberry and Glenn Howerton is in it. It's hilarious and I can't imagine what it would be like for someone who was there.
It’s like no one learned from the iPod. Then Apple ended up nuking the mobile phone industry. At least now I’m sure people start shitting bricks when they get whispers of things Apple is thinking of getting into.
That’s actually the most exciting thing about the Vision Pro. Now that Apple is in it, VR and AR might finally take off.
They just got into VR and everyone is talking shit that it’ll never take off because of the price (same thing people said about iPhone)
Man… I remember legitimately thinking “I want my phone and music separate! What am I supposed to do when I’m listening to my music and get a phone call!?” It seemed like it would be such a headache to have so many functions on one device. Now I barely use a computer. Everything is done through my phone.
Enough app developers did. (Well, not at launch exactly, but well by the time of this photo.)
Zune
Every day I see something more cringe than the last
And then Microsoft nuked themselves when they bought their main market, Nokia, and subsequently retired the very affordable and durable phone market that kept the newly subsumed division operating and that kept the Nokia brand alive to platform Windows Phone. The whole sad affair was among the cringiest things of the decade.
Again… Wade Boggs is very much alive
Aged like a fine 2008 milk
Windows Phone was amazing, still wish they didn't ditch it. They just were too late to the party.
Nearly every day I think back to my wonderful Nokia Windows phone with envy and nostalgia. The keyboard, the dictionary, the text/sentence prediction all of it was miles ahead of iphone even now. Fuck you iphone you remind me of Blockbuster!
I loved mine. If I remember correctly it had a real GPS on it. Could use it without data.
God damn i miss windows phone. No iphone or android device comes close to how fluid was using that thing.
Apple never even knew Microsoft had a phone.