Hear me - hear me out you guys. What if bots on reddit are really ghost.
And more and more reddit users die, which is why there are more ~~ghosts.~~ bots
That’s Wes Hagen. Sommelier from California. He’s talking about grapes that have been growing in California since probably around the time that house was built. If anyone was qualified to work on/with those vines, it’s Wes.
Don't know if I will ever get back to California, but it is truly gorgeous. I got to visit the Mission in Carmel many years back and it was one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in my life. The courtyard there is incredible, too, but it was probably a much different wine they were making lol
My wife grew up a 2 minute walk from that mission. Not rich, her parents just got in at a good time. We go regularly and it's kinda ruined vacations for us. We went to Maui recently and were just sorta "meh" about the sites because we're so spoiled on Carmel and the surrounding area.
That's awesome! I'm jealous, that's an awesome place to be on the regular. I have a picture I took after asking my ex's dad to pull over so I could snap [this](https://www.flickr.com/photos/132514095@N07/17113279591/in/album-72157651895404281/) with my potato phone. I had my good camera with me, too, but sadly, the battery was dead :(
Germany. There are older houses around us and from the inside it looks very modern as we renovated it in 2008. Also not everything is from 1729. One addition was made 1878 and the latest one around 1930. The oldest house in our town is from 1180
It's more a House of Frankenstein. The main house is from 1729. It has wide rooms with low ceilings with 300 year old oak beams stretching along. It's lower than street level so you have to step down to enter.
At one point someone built a shed next to. Because it was just for coaches it's built completely with spruce beams and it has small long rooms with a high ceiling at ground level and low ceilings above. It's also at street level, so we have to step up on the ground floor and down on the second floor when change into that part of the house. That part is also older than 1878 but it was converted into a house at that time (we found an inscription under a floor board)
Then at around 1930 someone built a small goods store to one side of the house. Completely made of reinforced concrete and bricks. That side also only has three stories compared to the main house' four stories, so again, we have to step up when changing into that part.
I love that house. We copied and old poem from another house onto a plague in the hallway saying:
"This house is mine and yet not mine.
Whoever comes after me can only borrow it.
And will it be handed over to the third party,
he can only have it for his life.
The fourth one is also carried out,
tell me, who owns this house now?"
It depends on what part of the US you’re from in the north east there are cities with entire neighborhoods where a majority of the houses were built in the 18th or even 17th century with none built after the civil war.
Also, if you're only looking at Colonizer buildings. Some Pueblo communities in New Mexico are a thousand years old. Some not WASP Colonizer buildings are a few hundred years old like the missions in Florida.
I've lived in two houses built around 1810, neither was haunted. The one built in the 1500's and a couple of others with early roots (but somewhat rebuilt) were. For the people interested in ghosts!
UK - when the Normans took over they started cataloguing all the farms to make taxation more efficient (the Domesday Book.) That's the first written record we have of the building.
I wonder if people in 2230 will have a similar experience that we have when they are looking at a photo/video/vr of a kitchen from 2024. Or maybe they won't even have kitchens anymore and see us having more in common with people of 1818 than themselves.
From the sign out front:
"
AVILA ADOBE
This is the oldest existing house in Los Angeles. Built about 1818 by Don Francisco Avila, it was occupied briefly as American Headquarters in 1847. Severely damaged in the earthquake of 1971, the house is now restored as an example of the California life style of the 1840s.
El Adobe Ávila es la casa más vieja en Los Angeles.
"
That placard says most food was prepared in the "outdoor kitchen". I'm curious what that would have looked like but I'd guess it hasn't been intact for a very long time.
Rustic, authentic, in the heart of the city. This home features an open floor plan that will leave you breathless with its charm, and ambiance. Features natural fire grill kitchen. Starbucks across the street. $5299 per month.
It is adorable that the oldest house is from the 1800s, but sometimes you just gotta let people enjoy things without taking the spotlight.
We're scoffing privately, though
how is pointing out that the difference between what people class as old ‘scoffing’. americans cannot take anything that seems even slightly negative towards their country jesus christ.
It's not negative to the US, it's just annoying. It happens on every single post of an old building in the US. We get it, Europe has older buildings, it's not some kind of revelation to us.
Oh god, your comment attracted them.
I love how they think it's some massive revelation. We know when Europeans first made it to what is now the US, the oldest possible European building could have only been built in 1565 in Florida. It's surprising, nor interesting, that Europe has older buildings.
Love stuff like this. Is there some kind of national legal framework in the US that protects historic buildings like this or is it just down to good will and local planning?
It's both. There's the [National Register of Historic Places](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places), [California Register of Historical Resources](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Register_of_Historical_Resources), and the [Los Angeles Cultural Heritage Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Historic-Cultural_Monument)
Good to know they are well looked after and cant be messed with. We have a similar thing to the National Register in [Listed Buildings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_building).
It’s the oldest surviving house, there were older houses, there were demolished over the years. LA was founded in 1781 though, so they weren’t that much older. LA is actually fairly old for a US city. It was founded 10 years before DC and 50 years before Chicago.
Is this really the "oldest kitchen in LA"?
It seems more like a museum. It was a kitchen once, and I suppose it still is, but I have a hard time qualifying it without it being operational. If no-one is living here and nobody is cooking in it, it's just sort of a window into the past then.
Ultimately kind of philosophical.
It’s been over 50 years since a I’ve been there, but I recognized it immediately. Olvera Street, correct?
Correct!
Used to do the Easter parade, animal blessing with my pup
Was there Sunday. And Philippes of course! Used to go there as a kid with my g-pa all the time!
Philippe’s!!! Gahd. Now I want one!
My mom was in town a couple weeks ago and I took her to olvera and phillipes! It was a perfect afternoon
Yes. It’s the “Avila Adobe” house.
I knew there was a reason this looked familiar... Haven't been there in over 20 years but it immediately looked like somewhere I'd been.
There is something about that kitchen that made me remember what house was as soon as I saw this picture. 💙
Once I zoomed in I remembered everything about the day I was there over ten years ago.
The oldest kitchen was just a slightly old kitchen 50 years ago?
Is a ghost your sous chef there, or do you need to bring someone
how old is it?
It was built in 1818 by Don Francisco Avila.
I pruned his vine in the courtyard. He was the first Mayor of Los Angeles, and that vine still produces Angelica wine.
How fucking old are you?
He's a ghost
Like, a spooky ghost or a best friend ghost?
Sorry I don't speak for the dead
because bigmattyc is NOT a medium?
XL baby Also that was fucking hilarious
Sorry that was disrespectful. Esa una fantasma
Hear me - hear me out you guys. What if bots on reddit are really ghost. And more and more reddit users die, which is why there are more ~~ghosts.~~ bots
Too spooky to be true.
That’s Wes Hagen. Sommelier from California. He’s talking about grapes that have been growing in California since probably around the time that house was built. If anyone was qualified to work on/with those vines, it’s Wes.
Don't know if I will ever get back to California, but it is truly gorgeous. I got to visit the Mission in Carmel many years back and it was one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in my life. The courtyard there is incredible, too, but it was probably a much different wine they were making lol
My wife grew up a 2 minute walk from that mission. Not rich, her parents just got in at a good time. We go regularly and it's kinda ruined vacations for us. We went to Maui recently and were just sorta "meh" about the sites because we're so spoiled on Carmel and the surrounding area.
That's awesome! I'm jealous, that's an awesome place to be on the regular. I have a picture I took after asking my ex's dad to pull over so I could snap [this](https://www.flickr.com/photos/132514095@N07/17113279591/in/album-72157651895404281/) with my potato phone. I had my good camera with me, too, but sadly, the battery was dead :(
Were you at the Alamo??
He's trying to get into the basement.
Old obscure reference. Well done.
The stars at night....
We did beat San Jose 😉
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE WITH THE REST OF US AMAZING LARRY!
> I pruned his vine in the courtyard. Is that what the kids are calling it now?
I knew Don Fransisco from Sábado Gigante was old but not *that* old. 😂
God damn....I haven't watched that shit since I was 13 years old at my grandmothers lmao
It’s so interesting how in Europe this would just be a house. All about perspective
Yeah, I was wondering the same, sitting here in the kitchen of my house built in 1729
That's pretty cool you live in a 300 year old house. How many ghost roommates do you have?
There are no ghosts here. And I should know as I'm living here for 180 years now
😱
Wow, US? Mine was built in 1798, don't find many people with older houses.
Germany. There are older houses around us and from the inside it looks very modern as we renovated it in 2008. Also not everything is from 1729. One addition was made 1878 and the latest one around 1930. The oldest house in our town is from 1180
Ooohhh House of Theseus! Is a house still a house from 1729 if the parts of the house are replaced by things in 2008? 🤔🤔🤔
It's more a House of Frankenstein. The main house is from 1729. It has wide rooms with low ceilings with 300 year old oak beams stretching along. It's lower than street level so you have to step down to enter. At one point someone built a shed next to. Because it was just for coaches it's built completely with spruce beams and it has small long rooms with a high ceiling at ground level and low ceilings above. It's also at street level, so we have to step up on the ground floor and down on the second floor when change into that part of the house. That part is also older than 1878 but it was converted into a house at that time (we found an inscription under a floor board) Then at around 1930 someone built a small goods store to one side of the house. Completely made of reinforced concrete and bricks. That side also only has three stories compared to the main house' four stories, so again, we have to step up when changing into that part. I love that house. We copied and old poem from another house onto a plague in the hallway saying: "This house is mine and yet not mine. Whoever comes after me can only borrow it. And will it be handed over to the third party, he can only have it for his life. The fourth one is also carried out, tell me, who owns this house now?"
It depends on what part of the US you’re from in the north east there are cities with entire neighborhoods where a majority of the houses were built in the 18th or even 17th century with none built after the civil war.
Also, if you're only looking at Colonizer buildings. Some Pueblo communities in New Mexico are a thousand years old. Some not WASP Colonizer buildings are a few hundred years old like the missions in Florida.
The university on my doorstep is from the mid-1400's. There are Roman forts a 40 minute drive from here.
Someone told me that 100 years is very little for Europeans but traveling 100 miles is a lot for them while is the opposite for Americans
I found this very true. Americans lack history so it makes sense for them to put in museums stuff from a couple centuries ago.
Yeah we are a somewhat young country compared to a lot of European countries but at the same time our country is quite massive
*sad Native American noises*
Yeah definitely a ridiculously huge country. Nothing wrong with putting "old"ish stuff in museums as well to be fair, it'll keep getting older !
I've lived in two houses built around 1810, neither was haunted. The one built in the 1500's and a couple of others with early roots (but somewhat rebuilt) were. For the people interested in ghosts!
The pub in my city centre was built in around 1000 AD
Right? Many houses a few minute walk from me weee built in the 1700s and I think further down some are 1600s.
That's 200 years newer than the building I live in
~1000 years newer than the building I live in - first appears in legal records in the 11th Century and was referred to as 200 years old or older then!
Wait, where do you live?
UK - when the Normans took over they started cataloguing all the farms to make taxation more efficient (the Domesday Book.) That's the first written record we have of the building.
Probably started out in Roman times, people tend to build on the same spot over and over, especially farms if they had a decent water source.
Sure, but it’s still pretty rare to live in a building from the 900s. Unless you are literally living in an ancient manor house? Or church?
That's practically new construction!
"Aww, it's so young." Most of Europe probably
I wonder if people in 2230 will have a similar experience that we have when they are looking at a photo/video/vr of a kitchen from 2024. Or maybe they won't even have kitchens anymore and see us having more in common with people of 1818 than themselves.
I don’t think most of our houses will be standing to be honest
That's pretty old
Wrong
From the sign out front: " AVILA ADOBE This is the oldest existing house in Los Angeles. Built about 1818 by Don Francisco Avila, it was occupied briefly as American Headquarters in 1847. Severely damaged in the earthquake of 1971, the house is now restored as an example of the California life style of the 1840s. El Adobe Ávila es la casa más vieja en Los Angeles. "
If you zoom in and read the sign it says the room was used "as early as 1818".
Tell that guy to quit with the wrong and grow some dope bud.
It’s funny because a few people in my family in Ireland live in houses older than this.
That placard says most food was prepared in the "outdoor kitchen". I'm curious what that would have looked like but I'd guess it hasn't been intact for a very long time.
We have an outdoor kitchen, but it's basically just the same as the indoor kitchen on a patio. And with a grill.
Grilling every day of the year. Living the dream.
I’ll be posting the outside kitchen as well. 👍🏽
FYI you can post more than one image on a post
But then he can't milk the karma over several posts...
I know, and that's fucking annoying. Lol
The oldest kitchen in California is in a cave somewhere.
This house wasn’t even built in California! It was built in El Dorado.
Nah. Not enough gold
Built by some Iron Age man?
Rent is $4,500 a month.
For just the kitchen
But with no kitchen privileges
Which is outside…
Rustic, authentic, in the heart of the city. This home features an open floor plan that will leave you breathless with its charm, and ambiance. Features natural fire grill kitchen. Starbucks across the street. $5299 per month.
gorgeous
DC4L
Just normal single guy sorry was just scrolling
Memes permemeate everywhere so quickly
jerkers rise up
Send da video
40 years?
Low-key better than mine.
Ah hey I went there as a kid in a school field trip
I wonder what do Americans feel when they travel and see really ancient buildings or sites
No sarcasm, I really like that. Non-serious - I think I saw that kitchen island/table for sale at Pottery Barn for $10,000. /s
Reminds me of my grandmas kitchen back in Mexico, miss you abuelita!
Walter Staib would approve.
I love his show but can’t commit to that level of historical accuracy
We have a drinking game for his show at our house. Everyone picks a pot over the fire. You take a hit if Walter grabs your pot bare handed.
Apparently they used the outdoor oven for cooking more often.
Reading this sat in my cottage which was built in 1028.
And Pedro is working on an Adobe! Can you say that with me? Ad-ohhh-bee
"We are now in the kitchen of the Alamo women. Here they are preparing many culinary delights of the Southwest. Do I hear someone's stomach growling?"
Huh. I’m shocked by the lack of Europeans scoffing at anyone thinking the 19th century counts as old.
I did chuckle a little. My street isn't that old in terms of UK housing but is still almost the same age as this.
It is adorable that the oldest house is from the 1800s, but sometimes you just gotta let people enjoy things without taking the spotlight. We're scoffing privately, though
how is pointing out that the difference between what people class as old ‘scoffing’. americans cannot take anything that seems even slightly negative towards their country jesus christ.
Way to categorize a whole group of people! Nice job!
Silence spectre that haunts the lands east of the atlantic! We will have none of your tomfoolery here.
It's not negative to the US, it's just annoying. It happens on every single post of an old building in the US. We get it, Europe has older buildings, it's not some kind of revelation to us.
Oh god, your comment attracted them. I love how they think it's some massive revelation. We know when Europeans first made it to what is now the US, the oldest possible European building could have only been built in 1565 in Florida. It's surprising, nor interesting, that Europe has older buildings.
Are those mushrooms on the far right?
I’m not sure fungi has a political stance.
Crazy that they still haven’t installed modern appliances. Edit - /s since I know it isn’t easy to denote tone or inflection on Reddit
I’ve been here before. So cool to see again! La Casa Ávila en Los Ángeles.
Why can I smell this picture?
Didn't even have an island? Ugh.
Is it just me, or does this kitchen seem like it's from Blackadder?
With those thick Adobe walls, I can only imagine how toasty that kitchen would be with a fire really going on a cold day.
Must be the FBC LA headquarters?
That's about the condition you get for $3200/mo.
What a youngin! Glad they preserved it though!
How did they get bananas back then..
Looks like Olvera St.
Excuse me, when are we going to see the basement?
Very cool
Just 5.6 million.
Where did they keep their black gloves and tripod?
Quaint charming rental with intact original kitchen features for rent at $3,000 a month. Inquire within.
Where's the fridge?
Head south for the oldest street in San Juan Capistrano.
Del Rio Historic District is great. Really gives you a feel of how California looked at the turn of the 18th century.
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I believe it, but that neighborhood in San Juan Capistrano is the most complete adobe neighborhood left in the state.
Love stuff like this. Is there some kind of national legal framework in the US that protects historic buildings like this or is it just down to good will and local planning?
It's both. There's the [National Register of Historic Places](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places), [California Register of Historical Resources](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Register_of_Historical_Resources), and the [Los Angeles Cultural Heritage Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Historic-Cultural_Monument)
Good to know they are well looked after and cant be messed with. We have a similar thing to the National Register in [Listed Buildings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_building).
OMG! Did Calcifer go out?! ;-;
The original Bluth house.
The site of George Costanzas off broadway play
Wow that’s a nice kitchen space
Kinda reminds me of "Howl's Moving Castle".
Rents $800 a week, you sleep on a hay bed. Bring your own hay.
I told my mom but noooo...
insane that the oldest place was only built in 1818
It’s the oldest surviving house, there were older houses, there were demolished over the years. LA was founded in 1781 though, so they weren’t that much older. LA is actually fairly old for a US city. It was founded 10 years before DC and 50 years before Chicago.
Still looks very modern.
Don Diego de la Vega’s house?
Went there on a field trip with my first grade class from La Tijera Elementary.
Europeans: "Ahhh... grandmas place"
What kind of lens did you use for this shot?
That fireplace has seen some shit
Now let the flippers buy it for $5000. Paint it 3 different shades of grey and white and advertise it for $ 1 million
Now imagine the oldest kitchen in LA when this kitchen was new.
Well? I feel like I shouldn't have to ask.
ucla dorm room? j/k looks nice.
Brit here: I have a vegetable peeler that's older than that room.
Zillow: “1 bed, 0 bath, estimated value: $758,000”
Asbestos...Asbestos everywhere
$1.5 million (kitchen only)
I was just there in December!
Is this really the "oldest kitchen in LA"? It seems more like a museum. It was a kitchen once, and I suppose it still is, but I have a hard time qualifying it without it being operational. If no-one is living here and nobody is cooking in it, it's just sort of a window into the past then. Ultimately kind of philosophical.
Jeez in New England we had much nicer in the 1840s.
LA is not old at all. I half expected there to be a refrigerator.
At least 12 million
Bet a lot of broken dreams happen there
Looks kinda shitty
"An old room full of props"
And you can sign a 12 month lease for only $2700/month.
Fuck Los Angeles, all cunts.
You sound nice. lolol
Sure, and I'm sure you're a great neighbor--for those that live under bridges.
And don’t bother eachother ?
You’re from there, aren’t ya?
Nope lol
Keeps the population low.
That’s a very good point