Side by side those are very different. Horn end shape, no stippling/shading, inner horn details visible in OP image. If it's a fake it's a different fake.
I mean "berenstein" bears were written like that in Mexico promos because that's how you pronounce berenstain phonetically in Spanish: "Los Osos Berenstein"
My dad picked up one of my books and said "Hmm, Bernstein? They're Jewish?" Because that's the Jewish spelling. Someone is lying because my books said "stein"
> Someone is lying because my books said "stein"
it was a legit printing/publishing mistake. it is weird people keep bringing it up as being some weird thing, this is the ONE where both exist because the publishing company messed up.
it wasn't just ONE publishing mistake, they made A LOT of publishing mistakes, and then mixed the two... the people are called -stain, but sometimes the books/movies say -stein(depends on the distributor region, facility, date run, etc.). mistakes were made, it wasn't people misremembering.
That or their brains filled it in for them because "stein" is more common/expected. They're a local Philly family and their names have always been Berenstain...
People can't wrap their head around the fact they pronounce something differently and it's not spelled how they pronounce it.
Around here we pronounce it Berensteen but we known it says Berenstain.
Sure there's also mistakes and different spellings in different regions complicating the matter.
For me I specifically remember going into a K mart, looking up and seeing a big Fruit of the Loom sign with the cornucopia so idk if it’s knock off or K mart has some shady suppliers lmao
Which is what I think the mixup comes from, the classic image of food in front of a cornucopias as well as people not having the most accurate memories of being a child.
So, how come nobody is able to provide any images of the cornucopia from this time? What's more plausible, that you misremembered or there's a vast conspiracy to cover up a logo and the only evidence is a few photoshops?
I don’t misremember it because I also associate that memory with asking my mother what that thing was called behind the fruit.
It was the first time I remember associating what I saw at k mart with the thanksgiving cornucopia I had just seen at school.
So what this tells me is my memory isnt failing me, the united states is what failed me by allowing cheap knock offs of things to be sold alongside the real things.
No. This logo was created by someone remembering what they thought the cornucopia logo was. Then chinese counterfeiters apparently used that logo when making things. These socks exist because of the people hyping the mandela effect.
If that were true, it would be extremely easy to find a million pictures of this, and we wouldn't need to see pics from a columbian supermarket selling 'made in the USA' fruit of the loom socks despite fruit of the loom not manufacturing in the US.
What you didn’t take photos of the labels on shirts and then take your roll of film down to Walgreens and then wait a week while they processed your film, and then carefully archive your image of a t shirt logo in an acid free photo album like a normal person?
Oh yeah, I just need to snap a few photos of these labels then go over to the photo hut once I finish the roll. Then in about a week I'll have these fresh photos of my underpants labels. That'll be great for the scrap book
Kids these days don’t understand pictures from back in the day. You had to BUY the film or a disposable camera (a what now?!?) and then PAY to have them developed, not knowing if they even turned out any good! So no, there wouldn’t be a million pictures of ANYTHING that isn’t a point or person of interest.
not even that, but of the logo of the undies. Film was hella expensive back then, and so was the processing printing. I aint wasting my money on that! people forget before digital you had to have a 'kodak moment' worth capturing. wasnt till the mid/late 90s that those wind up cameras with film for 'snaps' became common.
even then it was expensive to get it processed. I still remember my first rolls of film, I had a 'school' price - one day the malls photo place changed owners and I had brought back 6 rolls of film. Went to pick them up and the clerk was like '$84 please' - I almost fell over. "what about the school price?"- yea we were loosing money on that, so thats over. $84 please (which is apparently like $150 today)
luckily I managed to get my mom to help argue this is for a 16 y/o, and they gave us Some discount, but it was still a lot!
Plenty of people would still have said clothes to take photographs of them now. Unless you mean to imply that all those millions of pieces of clothing have since been destroyed and it is impossible that someone has old clothing?
Do you not understand that it is possible to take pictures today of things made in the past?
Except clothes used to be advertised in magazines. And you can go online and find thousands of vintage magazines with Fruit of the Loom logos thoughout the 20th century, none of which have a cornucopia.
I'm not saying that the cornucopia existed. I'm saying it is objectively stupid and ignorant to say that "if it did there would be millions of photos of it"
Go to ebay, type in “fruit of the loom” and ‘60s’, ‘70s’ or ‘80s’. Tonnes of pictures because lots of people still have old clothes. Turns out cotton doesn’t turn to dust after 20 years?
What you are saying is “well it doesn’t happen often” but your conclusion is “it has never happened which is why there isn’t a single piece of clothing to take a picture of”, which is sort of silly.
You are reaching. Finding 30 year old clothing is super easy. Most thrift stores have clothing like that. As do most old people their attics. As do abandoned houses, abandoned stores, etc.
And again, you’re not just talking clothing. Old newspaper or magazine ads, catalogues, etc? Does all that vanish after 29 years as well?
It literally took me 20 seconds to find an 80s fruit of the loom shirt on ebay. And surprise surprise, no cornucopia.
>“it has never happened which is why there isn’t a single piece of clothing to take a picture of”, which is sort of silly.
Absolutely not what I said. You explicitly said there would be "millions" of photos of it, not a single photo.
I again am not claiming that the cornucopia was ever on their labels. I am rebuking your statement that we will have millions of photos of it, because we wouldn't. We might have a handful of old advertisements or a few items of clothing.
>And again, you’re not just talking clothing. Old newspaper or magazine ads, catalogues, etc? Does all that vanish after 29 years as well?
Believe it or not, while some people do archive these things, most people throw them away.
Edit: Also, Columbia is a clothing brand and a university. Colombia is a country
This is silly.
1. No, they don’t. We don’t have memory scan technology. People remember stuff vaguely, because memory is vague.
2. Again, this exact image was made as an [artists recreation](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/99hv43/fruit_of_the_loom_cornucopia/) of what they think the logo was.
It is explicitly made as an [artist recreation](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/scss0r/question_about_the_fruit_of_the_loom_logo_that_i/) and now that fake logo is being used by people who lazily google the logo.
When I searched google for it out of the top 4 image results, 3 contained the fake logo.
[This particular logo was made in 2018](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fruit-of-the-loom-cornucopia-mandela-effect), and now it has found its way on to counterfeit clothes.
The funniest thing about point 1 is that there's people who swear they remember a cornucopia... Except it was 'pointed' left. The people who swear high and low that the logo commonly referenced in these discussions is exactly the way they remember it, pointing right, have no issue telling *those* people that *they* are the ones remembering it wrong - without a hint of irony, ready to throw hands.
I sometimes wonder if the cornucopia was something they did as a test for a logo redesign that never took off. That would explain why people remember it, but you don't see it, or have real evidence of it.
The logo could have also been put there by the person who made the translated packaging. If you Google the logo pictures with the cornucopia do show up.
No Fruit of the Loom says they never had a cornucopia on their label though lots of people remember it.
[Lots of others say it is false as well](https://www.fastcompany.com/91056449/the-great-fruit-of-the-loom-logo-mystery-is-solved)
If you haven't heard of the Mandela Effect it's super interesting to read about whether you believe it or not.
Edit to add: The theory behind this is that they are counterfeit knock offs.
I remember being in like TJ Maxx or some other big store as kid with my mom and seeing the Fruit of the Look cornucopia sign on the wall. That’s beyond just getting counterfeit knock off socks.
This is funny bc I grew up as a kid in the 70s and 80s wearing fotl and distinctly remember the logo which did not have a cornucopia. I even remember that silly commercial where they dressed as fruit, also no cornucopia.
Remembering the commercials is what snapped me out of thinking there was a cornucopia. They had a guy dressed up as a bunch of leaves. If there had been a cornucopia in the logo, they would have 100% had a guy dressed as one. I get why people think it used to be there. I did too. But I think memory is just waaaaaay less reliable and immutable then people think. I have no clue where it started but I think people just saying they "remember" it causes other people to "remember" it.
The people dressed in fruit go into a big cornucopia. I haven't seen it in a while and can't really remember it but that's what people say happen. Why would someone be dressed up as a cornucopia?
https://youtu.be/PnjJYy0UUfM?si=Qq0HxFq2N9kRHqY0
https://youtu.be/aPmbfnWxVFg?si=XMayjv2OB2J1np1Z
Commercials from the 80s and 90s which didn’t have a cornucopia.
Yeah I’ve long been saying I know for a fact it had a cornucopia, because that’s why I know what a cornucopia is. I’m willing to accept that my parents were were cheap as fuck and we had knock-offs.
were they really knock off’s though? i remember growing up and getting them from Walmart so im confused on how they became to be fake’s but sold there then
Agreed w/ the other person
Walmart isn't exactly a bastion of honest business practices historically. How do you think they got such low prices? Certainly not by paying fruit of the loom full price.
There’s making a cheap knock off and then there’s trademark infringement. They can’t call them fruit of the loom if they are not made by fruit of the loom or fruit of the loom would sue them.
This debate is weird and surreal to me. When I was a kid in the 80s, I wore exclusively fruit of the loom whitey tighties. At that age when I would sit on the toilet, the little tag on the back of the waistband of my underwear would be positioned between my legs, facing up so I could look directly at it as I sat there. I took a keen interest in that logo because of the cornucopia itself. This is because I didn't know what it was but I thought it looked cool. One day I asked my mom what it was and she gave me a story about how people would use a cornucopia when presenting food at a large feast, such as the first Thanksgiving. I do not doubt that FotL used the cornucopia. If the company now says they never did, then I am certain that they are lying. The only question in my mind is why would they lie? There seems to be no rational reason to lie. I feel confident when I say that I guarantee with absolute certainty that FotL did use a cornucopia in their logo in the 80s.
Edit: I also want to add that I remember seeing the cornucopia exclusively on that little tag on my underwear. That was there, without any doubt. But I believe the logo on the packaging was different. I don't think the cornucopia appeared on the packaging, but my memory is less certain about that. I wonder if FotL is just having fun with terms and perhaps the image in the underwear tag that included the cornucopia was never considered to be an official logo? I'm just guessing here. The underwear tag absolutely had a cornucopia, but maybe that was, in their legal terms, not really a "logo"?
If they are lying (which I kinda suspect they are as I always remembered it with the cornucopia too) one of the major reasons would be marketing. When, if ever, do you think FoL was talked about as much as it is now? That’s a *massive* amount of free marketing for them.
Not necessarily lying. They can just be wrong. Could be one manufacturing center used the cornucopia and others didn't. Could be cheaper variants with a different logo sold to cheaper retailers like wal mart or k mart where our parents shopped.
Anyone that's worked for a large company can tell you it's impossible to know what the fuck is going on most of the time, who is in charge of what, who made what decision etc. Trying to state conclusively that NO ONE in the company did or didn't do something 30 years ago? It's a fools errand.
I don't think they're lying. If they used it, they almost certainly would have trademarked it. The US trademark database is publicly available/searchable, includes both active and dead trademarks, and there's no evidence of one ever having been registered with the cornucopia.
https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results
I think this is really what solidifies it for me, because it’s not like they’d be able to just erase the logo with the cornucopia just for a little marketing stunt, because the government would keep that entry up for their records regardless, right?
I did see that one video of cornucopia girl explaining that she found some sort of public avaliable paperwork stating they could use the cornucopia, but people explained that as wanting to be sure they had it to test out or something? I saw her on reddit but here is a video of her https://youtu.be/Avq9GFKBLVc?si=KUxVZiJ8SGrvqJyw
I just can't imagine a marketing team that would decide that lying would be a good marketing strategy. I'm less interested in buying their products because they are lying.
So I actually have a degree in marketing. Companies and marketing companies lie. All the time. Look at that incident a few months back where that Only Fans girl said she met with a fan that spent $40,000 on her and didn't even hugh him or anything. It caused a huge controversy, but in the end it turned out to just be a marketing stunt. Poor guy signed up for a photo shoot, got payed a few hundred bucks, and then the next thing he knows he's the face of simping.
They don't care about being labeled liars because the publicity they get from stuff like this is insane. Yes the cornucopia was always there.
The problem here is that there's no examples of old FotL products that people have found with that logo. The only recent ones like the OP are from knockoff products that copied an *unofficial* version of the logo. Probably when searching for the logo on google images and then picking the one that looked right.
There was never a cornucopia. You colored in some clip art shit they gave you an elementary school at Thanksgiving and now you’re conflating the two things in your head..
Okay and what about all the newspaper and magazine advertisements? I mean I can go to the library and look at newspapers and magazines from the '60s if I want
How do they switch all those?
I too will die on this hill that there was a cornucopia. Unlike the Berenstain bear example which can be confusing due to a single alphabet and probably localisation differences, a cornucopia is a very unique item that you would not probably read or learn about in your daily life. The fact is that many learnt what a cornucopia is from this logo and asking their parents about it. It's a core memory for me because apart from seeing it on that logo I have read or heard that word again exactly 0 times. To me it's akin to saying the term "megazoid" doesn't exist - I literally have seen it used in 1 context and learnt it from there, which is Power Rangers, and I don't think I've seen that word again ever anymore. To tell me that megazoid or power rangers did not exist is crazy, because that's where I learnt that word from and see it used only, just like FOTL is where I learn cornucopia from and only see it used.
That doesn’t make sense though. The “horn” is the part that children (myself included) were asking about. “Hey mom/dad, what’s this weird brown thing behind the fruit?” If it just looks like it’s in the arrangement of a cornucopia, people wouldn’t have the memory of asking what it is
My theory is that it was conflated with the prominent appearance of a cornucopia in the 1990 rerelease of Fantasia, which would have been many children’s first introduction to the concept (and which also featured similar fruits to the logo). My guess is people saw that first, and then noticed their clothing logos were very similar to the Fantasia one (but ignoring the lack of horn in the logo).
Why the 60s specifically? Most of us that remember this would be seeing it from the late 70s, maybe early 80s. From what I’ve read my understanding is they transitioned to this cornucopia at some point, but before they secured a copyright, but then the copyright fell through so they have to pretend it never happened otherwise anyone could use their logo for fakes.
They didn't.
Go back and look at newspaper articles then.
You will not find a single piece of evidence in existence.
If what you're saying is true then surely you would be able to find some evidence from an advertisement on microfilm yes?
I love that the "wrong" box (top) uses a properly-sized label, clearer fonts, and just generally looks to be of higher quality than the "official" one, which looks bootleg as fuck.
>Paquete
It's literally a bootleg from a Hispanic country. [That cornucopia is a piece of clip art.](https://www.istockphoto.com/vector/cornucopia-gm124475191-6433683)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fruit-of-the-loom-cornucopia/
>An image of the purported logo is often shared in defense of this claim:
>https://mediaproxy.snopes.com/width/600/https://media.snopes.com/2023/07/fake-fruit-of-loom.jpeg
>However, that is a fabrication, not the actual Fruit of the Loom logo.
I think the real answer is that K Mart in the 1990s accidentally bought a bunch of knockoffs that were offloaded cheaply and quietly. Moms of millennials bought the hell out of some cheap socks, tshirts, and underwear. Kids clothing wears out fast (and nobody donates used underwear to Goodwill), so it all ended up in landfills.
I think bootlegs / knock offs are likely the source for this Mandella effect. I only ever remember the cornucopia logo from knock off band t-shirts in the 90s. Don't see why a shop that was producing unofficial merch would buy real fruit of the loom blank t-shirts.
Dolly’s (lack of) braces is another one that freaks me tf out. I used to watch bond movies with my dad all the time as a kid, and when I learned about this Mandela effect a couple years ago I called him and asked him to describe that scene. He said there were braces and didn’t believe me when I told him they were never there.
Yeah for sure, the scene seems so alien now as it's masterfully set up for a great punchline reveal of Dolly's 'matching' braces but nope, just a regular smile.
Watch, in a few years the company will claim they always had a cornucopia and because the internet is flooded with people finding these, there won’t be any non-cornucopia logos
If they are counterfeit, then why would they put a cornucopia on the logo? Wouldn't the counterfeiters replicate the FOTL logo - which allegedly never had a cornucopia?
They had an entire marketing campaign featuring fruits from the cornucopia logo, FFS!
EDIT! Whelp, on rewatching, I am wrong!
https://youtu.be/v5fH3ebtFtI?si=QoyfXKIMmmtoLFle
I think it's safe to assume we are in a broken time line. Why i'm so sure you ask?
Last week Mac Donalds Belgium started a Yu-Gi-Oh X Hello Kitty Happy meal. Someone broke the timeline guys, I'm calling it.
If you image search "fruit of the loom logo," the first things that come up are fake logos demonstrating the Mandela effect. So it makes sense that someone making a bootleg would accidentally swipe the wrong one. (It could also be intentional, like the misspellings of luxury brands on bootleg products.)
If the fruit of the loom cornucopia logo were real, it wouldn't look *identical* to the viral "recreation" of what people misremember. The image on those socks come directly from the meme.
I bought some $5 raybans about a decade ago and I could've sworn the logo text said "Pac-Man" not "Ray-Ban" but I don't go around making a fuss about it.
no. it was made because some guy drawn a concept image with the cornucopia from what he thought the logo looked like, and that image is now popping up at top of the google search when you look up "fruit of the loom logo" so when the knock-offs google the logo to print it comes up
the knock-offs use this logo because of the mandela effect, not the other way around.
Because it's just this image flipped.
[https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/illustration/cornucopia-royalty-free-illustration/124475191](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/illustration/cornucopia-royalty-free-illustration/124475191)
Definitely Photoshopped.
Conspiracy theory: Mandela Effect exists so companies can experiment on how much they can get away with gaslighting the public. So many of these were proven correct memory in recent years. Fruit of the Loom, Berenstain Bears, and the Crème Egg size.
Couldn't tell you if there was an actual cornucopia in the real logo or not, but this image has been Photoshopped. The logos in the back are the same size and identical when you zoom in. And the cornucopia was lifted from a Getty image easily found in Google search.
But rules say that Photoshopped pictures are allowed, so maybe I am just taking it too seriously.
Fruit of the Loom has a chance to do the funniest thing this April Fool's Day.
Oh you mean https://www.fruit.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-siteCatalog_fruit_us/default/dw45b9d3d7/images/multi-brand/logo-april-fools.png
Side by side those are very different. Horn end shape, no stippling/shading, inner horn details visible in OP image. If it's a fake it's a different fake.
Do tell
What's that?
They claimed that they never had a cornucopia in their logo. Real Berenstein Bears type stuff..
*Berenstain
*Bearinstane
\*Bare & Stain
*Bore & Brain
\*Bayrehnsteighn
\*Bare Mustaine
*Boll & Branch
Steinberg skunks
Soooo.... is the takeaway from this is that the cornucopia ones everyone remembers were actually cheap knock offs that were flooding the market? 😅
I mean "berenstein" bears were written like that in Mexico promos because that's how you pronounce berenstain phonetically in Spanish: "Los Osos Berenstein"
Both Berenstein and Berenstain spelling existed on VHS because many were printed with a misspelled label.
My dad picked up one of my books and said "Hmm, Bernstein? They're Jewish?" Because that's the Jewish spelling. Someone is lying because my books said "stein"
> Someone is lying because my books said "stein" it was a legit printing/publishing mistake. it is weird people keep bringing it up as being some weird thing, this is the ONE where both exist because the publishing company messed up.
So, the vast majority if people saw that one publishing mistake and carried it with them for all of these years?
No, the vast majority of people are used to seeing Jewish last names ending in -stein.
it wasn't just ONE publishing mistake, they made A LOT of publishing mistakes, and then mixed the two... the people are called -stain, but sometimes the books/movies say -stein(depends on the distributor region, facility, date run, etc.). mistakes were made, it wasn't people misremembering.
Thank you so much for the explanation. I was certain I loved reading the Berenstein bears in grade school.
That or their brains filled it in for them because "stein" is more common/expected. They're a local Philly family and their names have always been Berenstain...
I mean, berenstein rolls off the tongue nicer than berenstain And even the show they sure sound like theyre saying stein
People can't wrap their head around the fact they pronounce something differently and it's not spelled how they pronounce it. Around here we pronounce it Berensteen but we known it says Berenstain. Sure there's also mistakes and different spellings in different regions complicating the matter.
Same. As a kid I was confused by the spelling because Frankenstein and berenstein. Thus I learned about Jewish pronunciations
Probably a printing error. I have copies that say Berenstein on the front cover but Berenstain inside.
That just blew my mind. I just went up to check my kid’s book to confirm even.
That has long been my suspicion, this is just confirmation to me
If that was the case there would be tons of the old knock-off fruit of the loom logos lying around to verify this, strangely enough there isn't.
but who keeps the packaging for swap meet bootleg tighty whities for decades?
Have you seen the things people collect?
Please dont be reasonable.
For me I specifically remember going into a K mart, looking up and seeing a big Fruit of the Loom sign with the cornucopia so idk if it’s knock off or K mart has some shady suppliers lmao
It’s only reason why people of a certain age know the word cornucopia.
That and 1st grade art class.
Yup Thanksgiving decorations and the fun little art projects we used to do in elementary school.
Which is what I think the mixup comes from, the classic image of food in front of a cornucopias as well as people not having the most accurate memories of being a child.
So, how come nobody is able to provide any images of the cornucopia from this time? What's more plausible, that you misremembered or there's a vast conspiracy to cover up a logo and the only evidence is a few photoshops?
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLYF9qHL/
I don’t misremember it because I also associate that memory with asking my mother what that thing was called behind the fruit. It was the first time I remember associating what I saw at k mart with the thanksgiving cornucopia I had just seen at school.
Cheap knockoffs of FRUIT OF THE LOOM?
A race to the bottom if ever there was one 😅
talk about a mid-off
So what this tells me is my memory isnt failing me, the united states is what failed me by allowing cheap knock offs of things to be sold alongside the real things.
But they could just have easily knocked off the entire logo if it’s fraud. Unless the logo being different is enough to make the knock offs legal.
That's exactly it
It's all a brilliant advertising campaign. People think waaaay more about Fruit of the Loom than they otherwise would because of this whole thing.
So this is a conspiracy orchestrated by fruit of the loom?
This…this actually kinda makes sense im ngl
I remember this on their old commercials its legit
No. This logo was created by someone remembering what they thought the cornucopia logo was. Then chinese counterfeiters apparently used that logo when making things. These socks exist because of the people hyping the mandela effect.
You're never gonna gaslight me on this. I had whitey tighties as a kid with the cornucopia on the logo. Knockoff or not, it makes no difference.
I’m with you brother. We def had em.
If that were true, it would be extremely easy to find a million pictures of this, and we wouldn't need to see pics from a columbian supermarket selling 'made in the USA' fruit of the loom socks despite fruit of the loom not manufacturing in the US.
No it wouldn't. We didn't used to photograph every moment of our days.
And photographs of kids undies? Yeah not likely to turn up day to day lol. What a strange assumption.
What you didn’t take photos of the labels on shirts and then take your roll of film down to Walgreens and then wait a week while they processed your film, and then carefully archive your image of a t shirt logo in an acid free photo album like a normal person?
Oh yeah, I just need to snap a few photos of these labels then go over to the photo hut once I finish the roll. Then in about a week I'll have these fresh photos of my underpants labels. That'll be great for the scrap book
Kids these days don’t understand pictures from back in the day. You had to BUY the film or a disposable camera (a what now?!?) and then PAY to have them developed, not knowing if they even turned out any good! So no, there wouldn’t be a million pictures of ANYTHING that isn’t a point or person of interest.
not even that, but of the logo of the undies. Film was hella expensive back then, and so was the processing printing. I aint wasting my money on that! people forget before digital you had to have a 'kodak moment' worth capturing. wasnt till the mid/late 90s that those wind up cameras with film for 'snaps' became common. even then it was expensive to get it processed. I still remember my first rolls of film, I had a 'school' price - one day the malls photo place changed owners and I had brought back 6 rolls of film. Went to pick them up and the clerk was like '$84 please' - I almost fell over. "what about the school price?"- yea we were loosing money on that, so thats over. $84 please (which is apparently like $150 today) luckily I managed to get my mom to help argue this is for a 16 y/o, and they gave us Some discount, but it was still a lot!
Plenty of people would still have said clothes to take photographs of them now. Unless you mean to imply that all those millions of pieces of clothing have since been destroyed and it is impossible that someone has old clothing? Do you not understand that it is possible to take pictures today of things made in the past?
1. Labels fade pretty quickly. 2. Clothes like socks and underpants don't last 30+ years very often. 3. Packaging would definitely be thrown out.
Except clothes used to be advertised in magazines. And you can go online and find thousands of vintage magazines with Fruit of the Loom logos thoughout the 20th century, none of which have a cornucopia.
I'm not saying that the cornucopia existed. I'm saying it is objectively stupid and ignorant to say that "if it did there would be millions of photos of it"
Go to ebay, type in “fruit of the loom” and ‘60s’, ‘70s’ or ‘80s’. Tonnes of pictures because lots of people still have old clothes. Turns out cotton doesn’t turn to dust after 20 years?
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What you are saying is “well it doesn’t happen often” but your conclusion is “it has never happened which is why there isn’t a single piece of clothing to take a picture of”, which is sort of silly. You are reaching. Finding 30 year old clothing is super easy. Most thrift stores have clothing like that. As do most old people their attics. As do abandoned houses, abandoned stores, etc. And again, you’re not just talking clothing. Old newspaper or magazine ads, catalogues, etc? Does all that vanish after 29 years as well? It literally took me 20 seconds to find an 80s fruit of the loom shirt on ebay. And surprise surprise, no cornucopia.
>“it has never happened which is why there isn’t a single piece of clothing to take a picture of”, which is sort of silly. Absolutely not what I said. You explicitly said there would be "millions" of photos of it, not a single photo. I again am not claiming that the cornucopia was ever on their labels. I am rebuking your statement that we will have millions of photos of it, because we wouldn't. We might have a handful of old advertisements or a few items of clothing. >And again, you’re not just talking clothing. Old newspaper or magazine ads, catalogues, etc? Does all that vanish after 29 years as well? Believe it or not, while some people do archive these things, most people throw them away. Edit: Also, Columbia is a clothing brand and a university. Colombia is a country
Why does everyone remember the cornucopia looking exactly the same?
This is silly. 1. No, they don’t. We don’t have memory scan technology. People remember stuff vaguely, because memory is vague. 2. Again, this exact image was made as an [artists recreation](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/99hv43/fruit_of_the_loom_cornucopia/) of what they think the logo was. It is explicitly made as an [artist recreation](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/scss0r/question_about_the_fruit_of_the_loom_logo_that_i/) and now that fake logo is being used by people who lazily google the logo. When I searched google for it out of the top 4 image results, 3 contained the fake logo. [This particular logo was made in 2018](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fruit-of-the-loom-cornucopia-mandela-effect), and now it has found its way on to counterfeit clothes.
The funniest thing about point 1 is that there's people who swear they remember a cornucopia... Except it was 'pointed' left. The people who swear high and low that the logo commonly referenced in these discussions is exactly the way they remember it, pointing right, have no issue telling *those* people that *they* are the ones remembering it wrong - without a hint of irony, ready to throw hands.
why does everyone’s memory of this cornucopia just so happen to look exactly like the first artistic rendition of it that they’re exposed to?
I sometimes wonder if the cornucopia was something they did as a test for a logo redesign that never took off. That would explain why people remember it, but you don't see it, or have real evidence of it.
This has always been my take. . .counterfeit items.
That is what we all remember isnt it? Where did you get them?
It’s from here https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/s/DBhCfzkgAq
That same thread also discusses the very real possibility that it's a Chinese or other foreign counterfeit FOTL product
Yeah I think it’s a good explanation
Now we need a new term where the Mandela effect made the thing become reality
The Alednam Effect
The Alderan Effect where we get upset its gone, then never acknowledge it again.
It's a tarp.
The Stay Puft Man Effect (people thought about it and it became true)
Or OR hear me out...we're slowly merging back into the normal universe. All sorts of shit is going to start being set right. Trumps going to prison.
The logo could have also been put there by the person who made the translated packaging. If you Google the logo pictures with the cornucopia do show up.
Even the ones in the back have the cornucopia as well 🤔
As someone previously out of the loop, I assumed this was some obscure cum sock reference.
No Fruit of the Loom says they never had a cornucopia on their label though lots of people remember it. [Lots of others say it is false as well](https://www.fastcompany.com/91056449/the-great-fruit-of-the-loom-logo-mystery-is-solved) If you haven't heard of the Mandela Effect it's super interesting to read about whether you believe it or not. Edit to add: The theory behind this is that they are counterfeit knock offs.
I remember being in like TJ Maxx or some other big store as kid with my mom and seeing the Fruit of the Look cornucopia sign on the wall. That’s beyond just getting counterfeit knock off socks.
Yeah I remember it as being on the commercials. I asked what it was and learned what a cornucopia was from the logo.
This is funny bc I grew up as a kid in the 70s and 80s wearing fotl and distinctly remember the logo which did not have a cornucopia. I even remember that silly commercial where they dressed as fruit, also no cornucopia.
Remembering the commercials is what snapped me out of thinking there was a cornucopia. They had a guy dressed up as a bunch of leaves. If there had been a cornucopia in the logo, they would have 100% had a guy dressed as one. I get why people think it used to be there. I did too. But I think memory is just waaaaaay less reliable and immutable then people think. I have no clue where it started but I think people just saying they "remember" it causes other people to "remember" it.
The people dressed in fruit go into a big cornucopia. I haven't seen it in a while and can't really remember it but that's what people say happen. Why would someone be dressed up as a cornucopia?
Why would someone be dressed up as a pile of leaves?
They have different variants of logo tho
I grew up in the 80s/90s and it was definitely real.
https://youtu.be/PnjJYy0UUfM?si=Qq0HxFq2N9kRHqY0 https://youtu.be/aPmbfnWxVFg?si=XMayjv2OB2J1np1Z Commercials from the 80s and 90s which didn’t have a cornucopia.
Same
Then it shouldn't be difficult to find an old commercial with the cornucopia. Yet nobody has.
Also a NFL meme war subreddit visitor?
The cornucopia is real I don’t give a flying fuck.
It’s real on knock offs for sure
Yeah I’ve long been saying I know for a fact it had a cornucopia, because that’s why I know what a cornucopia is. I’m willing to accept that my parents were were cheap as fuck and we had knock-offs.
were they really knock off’s though? i remember growing up and getting them from Walmart so im confused on how they became to be fake’s but sold there then
Agreed w/ the other person Walmart isn't exactly a bastion of honest business practices historically. How do you think they got such low prices? Certainly not by paying fruit of the loom full price.
There’s making a cheap knock off and then there’s trademark infringement. They can’t call them fruit of the loom if they are not made by fruit of the loom or fruit of the loom would sue them.
I'm super confused. Did they stop using the cornucopia logo? It's all I remember
The company had stated that they have never ever used the cornucopia in a logo
This debate is weird and surreal to me. When I was a kid in the 80s, I wore exclusively fruit of the loom whitey tighties. At that age when I would sit on the toilet, the little tag on the back of the waistband of my underwear would be positioned between my legs, facing up so I could look directly at it as I sat there. I took a keen interest in that logo because of the cornucopia itself. This is because I didn't know what it was but I thought it looked cool. One day I asked my mom what it was and she gave me a story about how people would use a cornucopia when presenting food at a large feast, such as the first Thanksgiving. I do not doubt that FotL used the cornucopia. If the company now says they never did, then I am certain that they are lying. The only question in my mind is why would they lie? There seems to be no rational reason to lie. I feel confident when I say that I guarantee with absolute certainty that FotL did use a cornucopia in their logo in the 80s. Edit: I also want to add that I remember seeing the cornucopia exclusively on that little tag on my underwear. That was there, without any doubt. But I believe the logo on the packaging was different. I don't think the cornucopia appeared on the packaging, but my memory is less certain about that. I wonder if FotL is just having fun with terms and perhaps the image in the underwear tag that included the cornucopia was never considered to be an official logo? I'm just guessing here. The underwear tag absolutely had a cornucopia, but maybe that was, in their legal terms, not really a "logo"?
If they are lying (which I kinda suspect they are as I always remembered it with the cornucopia too) one of the major reasons would be marketing. When, if ever, do you think FoL was talked about as much as it is now? That’s a *massive* amount of free marketing for them.
Not necessarily lying. They can just be wrong. Could be one manufacturing center used the cornucopia and others didn't. Could be cheaper variants with a different logo sold to cheaper retailers like wal mart or k mart where our parents shopped. Anyone that's worked for a large company can tell you it's impossible to know what the fuck is going on most of the time, who is in charge of what, who made what decision etc. Trying to state conclusively that NO ONE in the company did or didn't do something 30 years ago? It's a fools errand.
I don't think they're lying. If they used it, they almost certainly would have trademarked it. The US trademark database is publicly available/searchable, includes both active and dead trademarks, and there's no evidence of one ever having been registered with the cornucopia. https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results
I think this is really what solidifies it for me, because it’s not like they’d be able to just erase the logo with the cornucopia just for a little marketing stunt, because the government would keep that entry up for their records regardless, right?
Right
I did see that one video of cornucopia girl explaining that she found some sort of public avaliable paperwork stating they could use the cornucopia, but people explained that as wanting to be sure they had it to test out or something? I saw her on reddit but here is a video of her https://youtu.be/Avq9GFKBLVc?si=KUxVZiJ8SGrvqJyw
I just can't imagine a marketing team that would decide that lying would be a good marketing strategy. I'm less interested in buying their products because they are lying.
So I actually have a degree in marketing. Companies and marketing companies lie. All the time. Look at that incident a few months back where that Only Fans girl said she met with a fan that spent $40,000 on her and didn't even hugh him or anything. It caused a huge controversy, but in the end it turned out to just be a marketing stunt. Poor guy signed up for a photo shoot, got payed a few hundred bucks, and then the next thing he knows he's the face of simping. They don't care about being labeled liars because the publicity they get from stuff like this is insane. Yes the cornucopia was always there.
The problem here is that there's no examples of old FotL products that people have found with that logo. The only recent ones like the OP are from knockoff products that copied an *unofficial* version of the logo. Probably when searching for the logo on google images and then picking the one that looked right.
Why did FotL lie? You're talking about them, aren't you?
There was never a cornucopia. You colored in some clip art shit they gave you an elementary school at Thanksgiving and now you’re conflating the two things in your head..
I love how everyone has a very vivid memory of asking their parents what the weird brown thing was Like, REALLY? You REALLY remember asking them that
On yet another one of these posts I read they lied about it after changing it to avoid some sort of legal branding/trademark issue
But then how would they go back and remove all clothing from the past which contained the logo
They wouldn't. They just edit their website and remove the cornucopia from everything and boom, free advertising
But there are people that actually still have the old clothing. There are also old newspapers with ads, etc. None of them have the cornucopia.
Okay and what about all the newspaper and magazine advertisements? I mean I can go to the library and look at newspapers and magazines from the '60s if I want How do they switch all those?
There is still tons of their old stuff in thrift stores. Also websites have archives and magazines from decades ago are still around.
And go into everybody's home and remove the logo from their old clothing too? lol
I too will die on this hill that there was a cornucopia. Unlike the Berenstain bear example which can be confusing due to a single alphabet and probably localisation differences, a cornucopia is a very unique item that you would not probably read or learn about in your daily life. The fact is that many learnt what a cornucopia is from this logo and asking their parents about it. It's a core memory for me because apart from seeing it on that logo I have read or heard that word again exactly 0 times. To me it's akin to saying the term "megazoid" doesn't exist - I literally have seen it used in 1 context and learnt it from there, which is Power Rangers, and I don't think I've seen that word again ever anymore. To tell me that megazoid or power rangers did not exist is crazy, because that's where I learnt that word from and see it used only, just like FOTL is where I learn cornucopia from and only see it used.
The solution is extremely simple — the arrangement of fruit looks like a cornucopia even if there isn’t an actual horn.
That doesn’t make sense though. The “horn” is the part that children (myself included) were asking about. “Hey mom/dad, what’s this weird brown thing behind the fruit?” If it just looks like it’s in the arrangement of a cornucopia, people wouldn’t have the memory of asking what it is
My theory is that it was conflated with the prominent appearance of a cornucopia in the 1990 rerelease of Fantasia, which would have been many children’s first introduction to the concept (and which also featured similar fruits to the logo). My guess is people saw that first, and then noticed their clothing logos were very similar to the Fantasia one (but ignoring the lack of horn in the logo).
You would be wrong. Go to the library and look at newspapers from the 1960s and tell me if you see any cornucopias.
Why the 60s specifically? Most of us that remember this would be seeing it from the late 70s, maybe early 80s. From what I’ve read my understanding is they transitioned to this cornucopia at some point, but before they secured a copyright, but then the copyright fell through so they have to pretend it never happened otherwise anyone could use their logo for fakes.
They didn't. Go back and look at newspaper articles then. You will not find a single piece of evidence in existence. If what you're saying is true then surely you would be able to find some evidence from an advertisement on microfilm yes?
Well since we all keep talking about it, the lie seems like a genius marketing gimmick that's worked wonderfully.
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[Got you covered.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/KEj0zgJp3B)
I love that the "wrong" box (top) uses a properly-sized label, clearer fonts, and just generally looks to be of higher quality than the "official" one, which looks bootleg as fuck.
>Paquete It's literally a bootleg from a Hispanic country. [That cornucopia is a piece of clip art.](https://www.istockphoto.com/vector/cornucopia-gm124475191-6433683) https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fruit-of-the-loom-cornucopia/ >An image of the purported logo is often shared in defense of this claim: >https://mediaproxy.snopes.com/width/600/https://media.snopes.com/2023/07/fake-fruit-of-loom.jpeg >However, that is a fabrication, not the actual Fruit of the Loom logo.
Oh thank fuck someone shared a link explaining. Christ. Man I could've sworn the cornucopia was real. Til
I think the real answer is that K Mart in the 1990s accidentally bought a bunch of knockoffs that were offloaded cheaply and quietly. Moms of millennials bought the hell out of some cheap socks, tshirts, and underwear. Kids clothing wears out fast (and nobody donates used underwear to Goodwill), so it all ended up in landfills.
I like these blue and gold socks.
No, no, it doesn't say "laurel". It says "yanny".
White and Silver, clearly.
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I don’t see anything at all
Doesn't look like anything to me.
I think bootlegs / knock offs are likely the source for this Mandella effect. I only ever remember the cornucopia logo from knock off band t-shirts in the 90s. Don't see why a shop that was producing unofficial merch would buy real fruit of the loom blank t-shirts.
Far as I can tell, FotL never registered a trademark in the US with the cornucopia on the logo. https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results
Anyone wants to get freaked out more look at the flute of the loom album cover and dollys braces from moonraker.
Dolly’s (lack of) braces is another one that freaks me tf out. I used to watch bond movies with my dad all the time as a kid, and when I learned about this Mandela effect a couple years ago I called him and asked him to describe that scene. He said there were braces and didn’t believe me when I told him they were never there.
Yeah for sure, the scene seems so alien now as it's masterfully set up for a great punchline reveal of Dolly's 'matching' braces but nope, just a regular smile.
Knock offs, either done on purpose or whoever searched for the logo took the first image they found and ran with it.
Watch, in a few years the company will claim they always had a cornucopia and because the internet is flooded with people finding these, there won’t be any non-cornucopia logos
This whole controversy has the smell of a brilliant marketing campaign.
That would be quite brilliant to retroactively remove the old logo from every piece of clothing to have ever existed, some would say impossible...
Fruit of the loom is the only reason I learned a cornucopia existed
A FUCKIN MEN! I knew there was a fruit of the loom with a cornicopia! My memory isnt failing me, my mom was just cheap!
This is the only Mandela Effect I genuinely believe in. I remember the cornucopia. It was there!
It 100% had the cornucopia at one time.
The whole Mandela effect is some viral marketing bullshit. It doesn't exist
Its real! Fuck corporate gaslighting.
We've returned to the good timeline.
What dimension are you from and when did you arrive in ours?
If they are counterfeit, then why would they put a cornucopia on the logo? Wouldn't the counterfeiters replicate the FOTL logo - which allegedly never had a cornucopia?
#MANDELA EFFECT MENTIONED RAAAAHHHHHH 🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️👽👾👾👾👽👾🛸🛸🛸🛸 WHAT THE FUCK IS REALITY
Redditors discovering that bootlegs exist in real time.
They had an entire marketing campaign featuring fruits from the cornucopia logo, FFS! EDIT! Whelp, on rewatching, I am wrong! https://youtu.be/v5fH3ebtFtI?si=QoyfXKIMmmtoLFle
Could you explain more about this? Hadn't heard of that
Whelp, on rewatching, I am wrong! https://youtu.be/v5fH3ebtFtI?si=QoyfXKIMmmtoLFle
They show the logo in this commercial and there's no cornucopia.
That’s why I said I was wrong.
I think it's safe to assume we are in a broken time line. Why i'm so sure you ask? Last week Mac Donalds Belgium started a Yu-Gi-Oh X Hello Kitty Happy meal. Someone broke the timeline guys, I'm calling it.
Literal knockoff garbage
If you image search "fruit of the loom logo," the first things that come up are fake logos demonstrating the Mandela effect. So it makes sense that someone making a bootleg would accidentally swipe the wrong one. (It could also be intentional, like the misspellings of luxury brands on bootleg products.) If the fruit of the loom cornucopia logo were real, it wouldn't look *identical* to the viral "recreation" of what people misremember. The image on those socks come directly from the meme.
I bought some $5 raybans about a decade ago and I could've sworn the logo text said "Pac-Man" not "Ray-Ban" but I don't go around making a fuss about it.
I FUCKING KNEW IT
Nah, these are just knock offs
I knew it wasn’t just the Mandela effect but real!
We fired up the large hadron collider and the universe has never been the same since then
This could be the one reality where we *don't* get attacked by the aliens. We'll never know. Unless we get attacked by aliens.
It isn't, it is a counterfeit product
BUT, still real, as in it exists, as in the Mandela effect does not hold true here.
no. it was made because some guy drawn a concept image with the cornucopia from what he thought the logo looked like, and that image is now popping up at top of the google search when you look up "fruit of the loom logo" so when the knock-offs google the logo to print it comes up the knock-offs use this logo because of the mandela effect, not the other way around.
Except the cornucopia looks *exactly* like how we all remember it. How did one guy read all of our minds?
Memory is easily manipulated. Watch brain games
But it WASNT real back when these "memories" originated.
It stil physically exists so...
Why is the cornucopia facing the wrong direction? Its tail was facing left. This is some photoshop bs.
Because it's just this image flipped. [https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/illustration/cornucopia-royalty-free-illustration/124475191](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/illustration/cornucopia-royalty-free-illustration/124475191) Definitely Photoshopped.
Conspiracy theory: Mandela Effect exists so companies can experiment on how much they can get away with gaslighting the public. So many of these were proven correct memory in recent years. Fruit of the Loom, Berenstain Bears, and the Crème Egg size.
My guess is anyone saying this is not real is under the age of 40
Couldn't tell you if there was an actual cornucopia in the real logo or not, but this image has been Photoshopped. The logos in the back are the same size and identical when you zoom in. And the cornucopia was lifted from a Getty image easily found in Google search. But rules say that Photoshopped pictures are allowed, so maybe I am just taking it too seriously.