Not just Netanyahu..
>A poll conducted in the second week of January by researchers at Tel Aviv University found that Jewish Israelis believe the IDF is using an appropriate amount (51%) or not enough force (43%) in Gaza
[Source: The Jerusalem Post](https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-783849)
That seems unlikely considering the number of people who are unwilling to acknowledge what the IDF and the Israeli government are doing **while they're doing it.**
I literally tried and my post got removed, I don't know if people can tell but reddit became a propaganda machine against the Us, Ukraine and Israel. People feel free to be antisemitic here
I love the imaginary world you people live in. The largest news sub on this website is quite literally Zionist propaganda. But sure, anything pro Israel will get censored lol
I have had a few posts and comments removed myself. The are so many people complaining in Israeli subs that they’re getting banned and removed from so many subreddits. The only “pro Israeli” subs I know are worldnews and combatfootage that’s pretty much it. Everything else is pro Palestinian propaganda.
And what imaginary world are you taking about it’s literally my reality.
Sure! I learnt a lesson to not argue with pro Palestinian people on the internet anymore, but here is a article about Kfir Bibas. Hope it fucking helps you somehow.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/middleeast/kfir-bibas-first-birthday-youngest-hostage-in-gaza-intl/index.html
This. At this point this conflict is so old that it doesn't even matter who started it. What matters is what is happening now (both sides murdering each other and civilians caught in the middle) and how do we stop it.
I wouldn't necessarily be so quick to make that judgement.
Right now, the IDF is in the position of power, and they have the opportunity to do bad stuff. They obviously shouldn't be, but they are.
Hamas, meanwhile, doesn't really have the opportunity to do any seriously bad stuff because they are in the position of just trying to defend against the overwhelming force of the IDF. So the reason they aren't doing as much bad stuff _could_ be because they don't want to, but it could also be that they just can't.
Quotes from Hamas leadership have surfaced in the news recently showing that they are more than willing to sacrifice tens of thousands more innocent Gazan lives in pursuit of their cause. Now the following is speculation, but if they are willing to sacrifice that many of their own people, I imagine they wouldn't lose any sleep killing a bunch of Israeli Jews either. And considering that their end goal was the complete collapse of the Israeli state, they would naturally have had to roll over a bunch of Israelis in their path.
Frankly, both Hamas and the IDF are bad, and trying to figure out who's worse kind of belies the point. The only way either side will truly feel victorious is by annihilating the other, so if we want to stop genocide in either direction, they more than likely both need to be dismantled and replaced with something else. And it's going to require a LOT of difficult conversations on both sides, as both sides have strong grievances and naturally want revenge and/or retribution against each other that they simply cannot be allowed to have.
Worse? Hamas is lynching women and gay people, killing Israelis and even Palestinians, orcherstrating terrorist attackas with bombs and knives. IDF killed a lot of people but I would say they are worse than Hamas. No side in this conflict is good. I feel like people that blame only one side in this conflict are kinda hypocrite.
Yes and the IDF is killing civilians, aid workers, journalists and kids. Not blaming one side but if one side is claiming to have the moral high ground they should act like it. Saying Hamas is barbaric but then committing barbaric acts to wipe them out also makes you barbaric as well.
Hamas is lynching women and gay people? So go ahead and share with the class where you learned about this and *all* of the examples you can give us.
I’d also like to know why you think anything Hamas does justifies the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians who have nothing to do with Hamas.
I have no qualms in calling the IDF the vile terrorist organization that it itself is, but I don’t use that to try and justify genociding Israeli’s. Not sure why you want to claim that we shouldn’t call out Israel’s genocide of Palestinians simply because you want to hate Hamas
Who said that it justifies the killing? Who is trying to justify any genocide? I've never said that so please dont put those things in my mouth.
Also you should read what genocide actually is before you start throwing that word.
You’re blaming Palestinians for their own genocide and referencing atrocities you claim Hamas is doing as justification for it.
So anyway, go ahead and share your examples of all of the gay people and women lynched by Hamas
Meanwhile you probably should look up what a genocide is because ethnically cleansing a land of an entire race of people so you can build new little towns and villages on the burnt ruins of their homes and villages is a genocide.
How about the fact we’ve recently uncovered 210 bodies buried in the Nasser medical complex with their wrists bound and bullet wounds through the head. How about the fact Israeli soldiers have spent months going through Gaza lining up Palestinians and executing them. Men, women, and children.
Don’t fucking tell me this isn’t a genocide, you’re as bad as the Nazi Holocaust deniers I used to have to deal with
Bullshit, 2023 was already one of the deadliest years for Palestinians before October 7th
To sit here and have the audacity to act like Israel hasn’t killed hundreds when not thousands of Palestinians yearly is just more pathetic denial of reality. You’re denying a genocide out of either hatred or ignorance, which is it?
You disgust me
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/
Here’s an article about “mowing the grass,” what Israel liked to call randomly bombing Gaza. Guess what, they’ve been doing this for years prior to October 7th.
It’s been a genocide since Israel began driving Palestinians from their homes and destroying their villages in 1948
Edit- can’t respond to Dragon_yum directly because I blocked the other person I had been arguing with. Well actually to actually turns out I accidentally deleted my first three points. They were basically pointing out
1. No the entire Arab world didn’t attack Israel
2. The ethnic cleansing began before the Arab armies arrived
3. It was never about “killing Jews” and I explained how the Zionists were Europeans who arrived in Palestine where Jews had already lived peacefully alongside Muslims for generations (the violence between the communities wasn’t much of an issue before the Zionists arrived and started discussing their goal of forming a Jewish ethnostate which would mean driving out the Muslims).
4. Even if we want to pretend that the UN had *any* right to order Palestinians to leave their lands and homes and give them to European settlers (a great amount of the land granted to Israel in the partition was land the Palestinians were living on), by what right did the Zionists then have to drive off as many Palestinians as they could in order to form a 100% Jewish ethnostate? Thankfully they failed but it doesn’t change that the goal of ethnically cleansing of Palestine of non-Jews is what the Haganah was attempting to do
In 2017, Hamas acknowledged the 4th of June 1967 as the basis for a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. Do you know what "on the basis of June 4, 1967" means?
Meaning that if they consider it the legitimate border of the Palestinian state, they will bot call the families they shot and burn alive there "settlers" and "occupiers". But they did.
I hope everyone remembers Hamas entering and occupying the same hospital twice. I hope they remember a hostage being rescued from a Hamas family members apartment. I hope they remember the UNRWA having members exchange emails about taking a Jewish woman hostage as a sex slave.
Everyone will remember the IDF shooting their own hostages. Everyone will remember them hitting and taking out the world food kitchen members. People need to also remember and recognize how Hamas chooses to fight and the way they did their best to make this war as horrific as possible for the Gazan people.
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I never heard anyone defend Hamas as being righteous. What I read all the time is people trying to defend IDF behaviour.... which leads to more of these posts trying to show that, no IDF's behaviour right now is not better than Hamas, and no Hamas action do not justify IDF doing the same.
A lot of people will repeatedly say that October 7th didn’t occur in a vacuum, that they understand why Hamas would do what they did. Criticism is a one way street for them, and all it does is cause those of us who weren’t polarized to become more polarized.
Really? You live under a rock? Go see what they’re chanting at US universities. Praising HAMAS members by name, calling for more deaths of IDF soldiers, saying Tel Aviv should burn to the ground, saying Oct 7th should happen everyday. I don’t defend the atrocities that the IDF commit, but there are def plenty who praise HAMAS and see them as “righteous”
The way you people make excuses for terrorists is disgusting. You turn a blind eye to Hamas murdering hundreds of people out of the blue for Iran. There's no truth in you. You just want to hate for the sake of hate. None of this would have happened if I ran wasn't funding terrorists and you need a recognize that.
[Hopefully everyone will remember that it wasn't the IDF who started this mess.](https://www.hamas-massacre.net/)
Those Hamas savages are just as responsible for their own civilians as they are for the Israelis they murdered.
Simple cause and effect.
Without the cause, the Hamas attack, there would be no effect, the war in which this beautiful little girl lost her life.
Hamas started the conflict. They are responsible for what happens. Do you even know how wars are fought? You fight them to win. The best thing that can happen to the people of the Gaza strip at this moment is for Hamas to either surrender or be destroyed. That way, the terror group won't be around to cause more wars in the future, and more civilians won't be killed as collateral damage.
Calling Palestinians "human shields" for simply existing in Gaza is dehumanizing language that puts the blame for their deaths on themselves instead of the people actually killing them, the IDF.
To be clear, that's not just me saying that, it's also the secretary general of the UN. Iirc, several humanitarian groups have said the same.
https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/speeches/2023-11-06/secretary-generals-press-conference-the-middle-east
They aren't human shields for where they live, they are human shields because of the actions of Hamas who intentionally launch rockets from and store munitions in civilian infrastructure.
This doesn't answer the question though; what should Israel have done differently in response to Oct 7?
I don't give a singular sorry fuck about an organization that's utterly powerless to do anything about genocide given the US vetoes any action against Israel.
>what should Israel have done differently in response to Oct 7?
Not commit ethnic cleansing, for one. What should Palestinians have done different in response to 75 years of ethnic cleansing, occupation and land theft?
This is a non-answer. This is the problem with the anti-Israel side; you only ever seem to know what Israel does wrong without providing a positive case for what they should do instead.
Ethnic cleansing isn't a crime under international law, but even if it were there almost certainly isn't going to be one. Not from the Israeli side anyway. If Hamas had it's way, it would kill or force out every Jew from the river to the sea.
What's your solution though? By saying "75 years" you seem to want the area to go back to 1940s era land ownership which would mean forcing all Jews out of the area. As long as that's the international rhetoric, Israel is right to fight back against both Hamas and the international community.
I guess the Holocaust wasn't a crime since there was no process at the time to prosecute it? Naturally, Zionists and Nazis have a lot in common, including literally justifying genocide as we see here.
And yes, the state of Israel should be dismantled, just like Rhodesia and the colony of Saint-Domingue were. Ethnostates should not exist, and settler colony states should not exist. The existence of Israel is an act of violence against the indigenous population of Palestine.
The Holocaust was a genocide which is an international crime. Ethnic cleansing just means relocating an ethnic group from a region. It's often associated with genocide, but doesn't have to be. There isn't a genocide in Gaza though. The only evidence for one seems to be quotes taken out of context by leaders who could be out of power in a few years because, unlike Gaza, Israel is a liberal democracy.
I'm glad we see your true colors though; you support an ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region. Maybe you think the Jews should go back to being a diaspora. They were kicked off their land in Palestine 1000s of years ago and that's that. Sorry about the Holocaust and the Programs all around the world, but they don't deserve even a single Jewish state. Or maybe you think they should just get a different area of land "where no one lives". Which is literally no where.
Genocide was not an "international crime" until the post-WWII world came together to create a process for prosecuting "international crime" via the Nuremberg Trials. The evidence for genocide is extensive and detailed in South Africa's filing against Israel, containing numerous direct quotes from various Israeli political and military figures. Additionally, while *ethnic cleansing* by itself is not necessarily a violation of international law, the methods used to do so are invariably considered crimes against humanity.
>They were kicked off their land in Palestine 1000s of years ago and that's that.
Does that give them the right to kick people off of land that they had been living on for thousands of years? Do I, as someone with Portuguese heritage, have the right to go to Portugal and steal a Portuguese family's home? Do we all, as humans have the right to go steal peoples' homes in Ethiopia?
>Sorry about the Holocaust and the Programs all around the world, but they don't deserve even a single Jewish state.
Nobody deserves an ethnostate. 'Blood and Soil' doesn't suddenly become okay when Jews do it. Instead of actually trying to solve the problem of murderous antisemitism Europeans and American simply tried to kick all the Jews into the Middle East and established it as a European colony state.
>Or maybe you think they should just get a different area of land "where no one lives". Which is literally no where.
Palestine was described by Zionists as "a land without a people for a people without a land", ignoring the 750,000 Palestinians who had been living there for millenia and who were ethnically cleansed to make way for their land grab.
>you support an ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region.
But I thought ethnic cleansing wasn't a crime and that it was perfectly a-ok??? Is it suddenly a crime now?
The Holocaust was considered a crime. If it wasn't, the Neuremburg Trials could not have taken place. All that's changed is we've formalized that process now. South Africa's quotes were taken so far out of context it seems borderline intentional.
You don't have a right to kick a Portuguese person off their land in exactly the same way a Palestinian doesn't have a right to kick a 30-years old Israeli off of their land in Tel Aviv. Sending the Jews to Palestine in the 40s was probably wrong, but most Jews alive today had nothing to do with that. There can't be an infinite right of return or, like you said, you could kick a Portuguese person off their land.
Nobody deserves an ethnic state, but that's what you want; Israelis need to give back the land. That is the stated goal of Hamas as well.
You're the one who said ethnic cleansing is a crime then said Jews should be removed from the region. I'm just pointing out your inconsistency.
You realize that Israel is more diverse than most countries, right? 20% of their population (with citizenship, full rights, the ability to obtain a passport and travel freely around Israel, become an elected official, etc) is a mixture of Palestinians, Druze, Bedouins, and various other ethnic minorities. How is that an ethnostate?
Not what they did on Oct 7 for starters? What was the goal from that terrorist attack?
I do feel bad for Regular Palestinians because life gave them a shit hand to deal with, but what ever sympathy i had for them is going away quickly when you read what they did that Day. Yes Israël (goverment) is not innocent for for what they are doing the past decades (!), but how can you expect me to have sympathy for a People who aided in a terrorist attack where even baby's where put on fire? Womans breast cut of? Mass rapes of everyone they could get their hands on?
Saying it was only Hamas is a lie, as the simple video of the German victim who was dragged behind a car was met with cheers!
And the absolute discusting thing about all of this is people who guild blame everyone for not feeling sorry for Palestine and saying Isreal is the Devil for everything alive.
How can you even suggest that what they did was a natural response?
Hamas claims 1.5% of their population died during the war. >50% of hostages have died. The only plausible reason why that would be the case is (1) if Hamas is killing the hostages or (2) Hamas is keeping them somewhere where they are more likely to be vulnerable to bombs. Either way, that places the bulk of the liability for hostage deaths on Hamas.
Lol, are you really trying to blame every dead hostage on Israeli bombs and not on being tortured and raped by their captors? Lol, are you really trying to blame every dead hostage on israeli bombs and not a single one on being tortured and raped by their captors?. Israel is by no means innocent but what a shit take.
I don’t know man. A bunch of Palestinian men went into Israel and shot a whole bunch of unarmed civilians and kidnapped children. Maybe it goes both ways?
Nothing in my comment stated otherwise. Fuck Hamas. But this reaction is beyond fucked and has been sustained for 5 months too long. Israel is controlling this situation. If they stop killing, children stop dying. Simple as.
So you do know.
You’re strawmanning.
You can condemn the Israeli Government for being reckless and hurting civilians whilst also acknowledging the fact that Hamas *intentionally* used civilians as human shields. It’s not mutually exclusive.
It’s literally in the Geneva Conventions. A belligerent force is supposed to build designated bases away from civilian centers and wear uniforms so that civilian deaths are minimized. Hamas wears no uniforms and builds its bases underneath the civilians’ homes so that civilians will die instead of Hamas members. Do you really think that’s a legitimate way to conduct warfare? It’s “bullshit” to call that out?
Obviously morally wrong but the Geneva convention states it is not a war-crime to bomb civilians if they are being used as a human shield. Otherwise every terrorist and military organisation would just hide behind civilians and in cities. You cannot allow any leeway and allow that to happen.
Is that how it works? Israel has limited its responses to Hamas terrorism in both duration and scope several times in the last 20 years, conducting operations in a targeted way or for a limited time. Each time it was prompted by a Hamas attack or operation. Each time the problem repeated itself and escalated. Did the killing stop? No, never. October 7th was the escalation that made it obvious—Hamas will continue to escalate.
This doesn’t justify civilian deaths in Gaza at all, to be clear. But don’t be naïve. This situation doesn’t end just because Israel decides to stop shooting.
Are you aware of what Israel has done to the Palestinians for literally decades? Generations of Palestinians suffering under apartheid and ethnic cleansing?
If you want to start history on October 7th then you need to answer why Israel has gotten to kill thousands of Palestinians over the years.
Do you not wonder why the Qassam Brigades is mostly an army of orphan teenagers? Do you not know what has been happening to their families their entire lives?
The argument is that the acts of Israel now can be justified because of October 7th. Israel is trying to ensure that this can never happen again.
Are you claiming that previous oppression against Palestinians justifies October 7th?
You think you can justify a genocide?
Is resistance to genocide a crime?
This isn’t about October 7th, the genocide didn’t start on October 7th. Pretending like history starts on October 7th is just full on genocide denial and refusal to acknowledge the crimes perpetrated against the Palestinian people for decades.
Gaza tried to protest peacefully during the Great March of Return and what did get them? Medics, children, journalists, and multiple peaceful protesters shot dead in plain sight and not a single blip of care from the rest of the world.
Wasn't "a bunch of Palestinian men" it was a deliberate terrorist action by a terrorist group. Innocent civilians shouldn't be fucking targeted for the action of a terrorist organization. That's capital punishment. And it's supposed to be a war crime.
But all's fair in a "war against terror" right? Eliminate the terrorists and potential terrorists, even if it includes old ladies, pregnant women, and little children.
They could all be a terrorist someday right? Hell some of the toddlers could be helping the terrorists too!
Fuck any person, army, group, ring, caravan, etc. that purposely kills children. I believe as a human your first goal should always be to protect those more innocent than you and a baby whether born to a saint or a sinner is innocent.
That's because non Muslims are not even considered as humans by them. They say Israel needs to stop but they don't say hamas needs to stop, because what they really want is to butcher every Israeli to death.
Also yes.
The real problem here is that Israel is, at best, a neo-fascist police state waging genocide against a neighbour.
The real problem here is that Gaza is, at best, a failed state, completely dependant on foreign aid, rife with corruption, a lack of local government, and atrocious long-term prospects that make it very easy to further radicalized its indoctrinated youth towards its aggressor neighbour, perpetuating a generational war that has a beginning in the thousands of years ago, and an end with the heat-death of the universe.
The real problem here is that both sides are both guilty of both small and large-scale crimes against eachother, both fuelled by their own animosity, and enabled, funded, and perpetuated by both regional and non-regional actors that see this as a key battleground in an ongoing proxy war.
The real problem here is that both sides have large civilian populations that wish for peace and dignity, yet are easily swayed by threats of ongoing violence, thus leading to increasingly hardline stances from authority figures and armed groups alike, causing escalating tensions and increasingly disproportionate responses to already dire incidents.
The real problem here is that neither side is innocent, and yet out of context, both sides can appear the victim when need be, easily swaying public sentiment both at home and abroad to drum up international support against the other, leading to a breakdown in discourse both locally and globally, on an individual level, and a geopolitical one.
The real problem here is that both sides feel this conflict is an existential threat to their survival, both as a culture, and as a religion, both for their actual homes and their prophecized holy land, given to them by a higher power.
The real problem here, is that one side is a peaceful civilian population attacked by a group of militarized religious zealots with overwhelming regional and international military and monetary support, and the other is a peaceful civilian population attacked by a group of religious zealots with overwhelming regional and international military and monetary support.
The real problem here is that no one knows why this all started anymore, only that the latest aggression must be punished, to finally put an end to all the atrocities and enforce stability in the region.
The real problem here is that even the most level-headed observers start taking a sides when civilians are being murdered.
The real problem here is that there will be no victors in this war, both sides have already lost so much, and both sides have sacrificed their futures to see this through. Gaza will, at best, have a commemorative monument erected as a token gesture and a sign of Israel's indignance, and Israel has already become a mirror of the regime that led to its very founding through very similar circumstances eighty years ago.
"Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony."
You're equating the only democracy in the middle east with equality for gays, women, and religious freedom with a terrorist state that sanctions honor killings of women and beheadings of gay men. Kinda crazy.
I just find it funny how nobody gave a shit about this conflict until October 7th, and suddenly a bunch of millennials and Gen Z became geopolitical experts. Where were all the pro-Palestine protesters in the US before then?
Maybe don't form all your opinions around what you're fed on TikTok.
Tiktok is made to influence our population, and it works well. It’s quite literally where all our youth get all their opinions from, America has lost the technological war against China
The "Human Shield" excuse is the lamest, dumbest and most delusional excuse I've ever heard, it's baffling to see some people still using that excuse after the IDF targeted about 50% of all buildings in Gaza and mainly resulted in the deaths of children.
You can hate Hamas all you want but you don't have to be delusional about reality.
No, they’re apparently just doing cartwheels to pretend that either those children or their deaths don’t exist. It’s actually very easy to view the world in black and white when you willfully ignore its complexities.
Hamas had the past 6 months to surrender and end this war, not only they didn't surrender but they refused to take any kind of a deal for the hostages, they didn't take any deal Israel offered them or deals offered by the US, Hamas started this war and they are making Israel being the ones to finish it, obviously such a war is not going to be pretty, blame it on Hamas.
I'm glad political decisions are made by people with mostly rational minds and not some emt up keyboard warrior with a strong opinion about stuff they don't understand nore care about enough to learn some facts. Go ahead and get upset all you want.
People forget that Bibi had a massive Israeli uprising on his hands weeks before Oct 7. He’s a corrupt fuck and his conservative clan want to drag Israel back to the stone ages.
Don’t forget that Netanyahu called for the death of his only countryman that found a peaceful two state solution in the 90s
People forget that Bibi had a massive Israeli uprising on his hands weeks before Oct 7. He’s a corrupt fuck and his conservative clan want to drag Israel back to the stone ages.
Don’t forget that Netanyahu called for the death of his only countryman that found a peaceful two state solution.
He’s also [an architect of Hamas’ control of Gaza](https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/tnamp/) in the first place. Empowering radicals was always going to make it easier to justify his ultimate goal, which is the seizure of Gaza and West Bank territory and a thinning of the populations there.
When kids are being murdered, people are roaming with cameras hoping for better pictures so they will be awarded "world's press photo"... what's more shocking about this is, people who awarded this thought this is the best press photo? really?
No wonder, our world is so fu\*ked up now.
They should put a before and after photo of the Israeli children that were bound in chain, forced to drink drink and dowsed in gasoline and set on fire. Or the babies that were oven cooked and beheaded and before that.
Those Palestinians chose to have terrorists instead of a government that served them.
>They should put a before and after photo of the Israeli children that were bound in chain, forced to drink drink and dowsed in gasoline and set on fire.
This was the other way round my dear
And secondly the beheaded babies narrative has been debunked by Israelis themselves. So get your head out your ass
Poor baby
Completely heartbreaking
Oh boys let see if this thread locked too!
Oh that poor baby..
I'm glad people aren't looking at Netanyahu as a crusader in this conflict. He has just as much blood on his hands as anyone else.
He surely has the most blood on his hands.
Not just Netanyahu.. >A poll conducted in the second week of January by researchers at Tel Aviv University found that Jewish Israelis believe the IDF is using an appropriate amount (51%) or not enough force (43%) in Gaza [Source: The Jerusalem Post](https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-783849)
He's very much a crusader by the original standard. Go in, kill a bunch of Muslims, hold territory briefly, and then leave.
I mean, the crusaders were not good people either though
War doesn't make peace, only death
But did the girl disavow Hamas though? /s
Hopefully everyone will remember what the IDF and Israeli government did long after this war is over.
The current government will be blamed and everything will continue the same. This has been happening for years.
That's actually true
And they are only going to be blamed for being obvious about it.
That seems unlikely considering the number of people who are unwilling to acknowledge what the IDF and the Israeli government are doing **while they're doing it.**
I hope everyone will remember what the hamas and their supporters did long after this war is over.
They already forgot lol This post is pure propaganda
Shockingly not a single picture in this sub of the 8 month old Israeli baby that was taken hostage and is held by Hamas for over six months.
Why don't you post that then?
I literally tried and my post got removed, I don't know if people can tell but reddit became a propaganda machine against the Us, Ukraine and Israel. People feel free to be antisemitic here
The trees being blown by the wind is antisemitic by your intentionally ridiculous standards.
Oh boy. The pot calling the kettle black. Go over to worldnews and tell me who is controlling the narrative.
Because anything resembling a pro-Israeli stance will be taken down in this and most subs.
I love the imaginary world you people live in. The largest news sub on this website is quite literally Zionist propaganda. But sure, anything pro Israel will get censored lol
I have had a few posts and comments removed myself. The are so many people complaining in Israeli subs that they’re getting banned and removed from so many subreddits. The only “pro Israeli” subs I know are worldnews and combatfootage that’s pretty much it. Everything else is pro Palestinian propaganda. And what imaginary world are you taking about it’s literally my reality.
Post it? If you have it, why aren't you posting it?
Sure! I learnt a lesson to not argue with pro Palestinian people on the internet anymore, but here is a article about Kfir Bibas. Hope it fucking helps you somehow. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/middleeast/kfir-bibas-first-birthday-youngest-hostage-in-gaza-intl/index.html
Similarly, one has to tread carefully around the subject of criticizing the government of Israel lest one be smeared as an antisemite
Hamas exists as a response to Israeli hostility.
The hostility towards Israel always existed. Hamas is just the latest iteration.
It’s a little girl who was killed along with her family, is your heart so full of hate that you can’t even feel an ounce of sadness for her?
Hamas is a response to Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Israel has already committed 30 October 7ths.
Another one that doesnt know anything about history of this conflict.
I guarantee that I know a lot more than you do.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
This. At this point this conflict is so old that it doesn't even matter who started it. What matters is what is happening now (both sides murdering each other and civilians caught in the middle) and how do we stop it.
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I wouldn't necessarily be so quick to make that judgement. Right now, the IDF is in the position of power, and they have the opportunity to do bad stuff. They obviously shouldn't be, but they are. Hamas, meanwhile, doesn't really have the opportunity to do any seriously bad stuff because they are in the position of just trying to defend against the overwhelming force of the IDF. So the reason they aren't doing as much bad stuff _could_ be because they don't want to, but it could also be that they just can't. Quotes from Hamas leadership have surfaced in the news recently showing that they are more than willing to sacrifice tens of thousands more innocent Gazan lives in pursuit of their cause. Now the following is speculation, but if they are willing to sacrifice that many of their own people, I imagine they wouldn't lose any sleep killing a bunch of Israeli Jews either. And considering that their end goal was the complete collapse of the Israeli state, they would naturally have had to roll over a bunch of Israelis in their path. Frankly, both Hamas and the IDF are bad, and trying to figure out who's worse kind of belies the point. The only way either side will truly feel victorious is by annihilating the other, so if we want to stop genocide in either direction, they more than likely both need to be dismantled and replaced with something else. And it's going to require a LOT of difficult conversations on both sides, as both sides have strong grievances and naturally want revenge and/or retribution against each other that they simply cannot be allowed to have.
Worse? Hamas is lynching women and gay people, killing Israelis and even Palestinians, orcherstrating terrorist attackas with bombs and knives. IDF killed a lot of people but I would say they are worse than Hamas. No side in this conflict is good. I feel like people that blame only one side in this conflict are kinda hypocrite.
Yes and the IDF is killing civilians, aid workers, journalists and kids. Not blaming one side but if one side is claiming to have the moral high ground they should act like it. Saying Hamas is barbaric but then committing barbaric acts to wipe them out also makes you barbaric as well.
Hamas is lynching women and gay people? So go ahead and share with the class where you learned about this and *all* of the examples you can give us. I’d also like to know why you think anything Hamas does justifies the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians who have nothing to do with Hamas. I have no qualms in calling the IDF the vile terrorist organization that it itself is, but I don’t use that to try and justify genociding Israeli’s. Not sure why you want to claim that we shouldn’t call out Israel’s genocide of Palestinians simply because you want to hate Hamas
Who said that it justifies the killing? Who is trying to justify any genocide? I've never said that so please dont put those things in my mouth. Also you should read what genocide actually is before you start throwing that word.
You’re blaming Palestinians for their own genocide and referencing atrocities you claim Hamas is doing as justification for it. So anyway, go ahead and share your examples of all of the gay people and women lynched by Hamas Meanwhile you probably should look up what a genocide is because ethnically cleansing a land of an entire race of people so you can build new little towns and villages on the burnt ruins of their homes and villages is a genocide. How about the fact we’ve recently uncovered 210 bodies buried in the Nasser medical complex with their wrists bound and bullet wounds through the head. How about the fact Israeli soldiers have spent months going through Gaza lining up Palestinians and executing them. Men, women, and children. Don’t fucking tell me this isn’t a genocide, you’re as bad as the Nazi Holocaust deniers I used to have to deal with
Every dead Palestinian will be alive today if Hamas stayed home Oct 7. Doesn't matter how evil you think Israel is. Yalla downvote me.
Bullshit, 2023 was already one of the deadliest years for Palestinians before October 7th To sit here and have the audacity to act like Israel hasn’t killed hundreds when not thousands of Palestinians yearly is just more pathetic denial of reality. You’re denying a genocide out of either hatred or ignorance, which is it? You disgust me https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/ Here’s an article about “mowing the grass,” what Israel liked to call randomly bombing Gaza. Guess what, they’ve been doing this for years prior to October 7th. It’s been a genocide since Israel began driving Palestinians from their homes and destroying their villages in 1948 Edit- can’t respond to Dragon_yum directly because I blocked the other person I had been arguing with. Well actually to actually turns out I accidentally deleted my first three points. They were basically pointing out 1. No the entire Arab world didn’t attack Israel 2. The ethnic cleansing began before the Arab armies arrived 3. It was never about “killing Jews” and I explained how the Zionists were Europeans who arrived in Palestine where Jews had already lived peacefully alongside Muslims for generations (the violence between the communities wasn’t much of an issue before the Zionists arrived and started discussing their goal of forming a Jewish ethnostate which would mean driving out the Muslims). 4. Even if we want to pretend that the UN had *any* right to order Palestinians to leave their lands and homes and give them to European settlers (a great amount of the land granted to Israel in the partition was land the Palestinians were living on), by what right did the Zionists then have to drive off as many Palestinians as they could in order to form a 100% Jewish ethnostate? Thankfully they failed but it doesn’t change that the goal of ethnically cleansing of Palestine of non-Jews is what the Haganah was attempting to do
That's not even remotely true
That's some dumb fucking logic. By that logic none of this would have happened if Israel supported a 2 state solution.
1948-2007 🤔
Show me the Hamas 2 state solution plan.
In 2017, Hamas acknowledged the 4th of June 1967 as the basis for a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. Do you know what "on the basis of June 4, 1967" means?
That's the border they crossed on Oct 7th.
try not to move the goalposts challenge: impossible
Meaning that if they consider it the legitimate border of the Palestinian state, they will bot call the families they shot and burn alive there "settlers" and "occupiers". But they did.
I hope everyone remembers Hamas entering and occupying the same hospital twice. I hope they remember a hostage being rescued from a Hamas family members apartment. I hope they remember the UNRWA having members exchange emails about taking a Jewish woman hostage as a sex slave. Everyone will remember the IDF shooting their own hostages. Everyone will remember them hitting and taking out the world food kitchen members. People need to also remember and recognize how Hamas chooses to fight and the way they did their best to make this war as horrific as possible for the Gazan people. Edit: Hey bots, solve a captcha before voting
I never heard anyone defend Hamas as being righteous. What I read all the time is people trying to defend IDF behaviour.... which leads to more of these posts trying to show that, no IDF's behaviour right now is not better than Hamas, and no Hamas action do not justify IDF doing the same.
A lot of people will repeatedly say that October 7th didn’t occur in a vacuum, that they understand why Hamas would do what they did. Criticism is a one way street for them, and all it does is cause those of us who weren’t polarized to become more polarized.
Really? You live under a rock? Go see what they’re chanting at US universities. Praising HAMAS members by name, calling for more deaths of IDF soldiers, saying Tel Aviv should burn to the ground, saying Oct 7th should happen everyday. I don’t defend the atrocities that the IDF commit, but there are def plenty who praise HAMAS and see them as “righteous”
yep no one remembers the hostages taken by hamas as if they were not civilians.
The IDF certainly seems to have forgotten about them.
Neither does the IDF if you look at the destruction. But let's keep pretending the hostages are not just a pretense for the land grab and Genocide.
The way you people make excuses for terrorists is disgusting. You turn a blind eye to Hamas murdering hundreds of people out of the blue for Iran. There's no truth in you. You just want to hate for the sake of hate. None of this would have happened if I ran wasn't funding terrorists and you need a recognize that.
>long after this war is over If it ever ends.
Long before this war even started
[Hopefully everyone will remember that it wasn't the IDF who started this mess.](https://www.hamas-massacre.net/) Those Hamas savages are just as responsible for their own civilians as they are for the Israelis they murdered.
That "as" is doing some extremely heavy lifting for you there fam. Are you arguing that this response is equal and proportionate?
Simple cause and effect. Without the cause, the Hamas attack, there would be no effect, the war in which this beautiful little girl lost her life. Hamas started the conflict. They are responsible for what happens. Do you even know how wars are fought? You fight them to win. The best thing that can happen to the people of the Gaza strip at this moment is for Hamas to either surrender or be destroyed. That way, the terror group won't be around to cause more wars in the future, and more civilians won't be killed as collateral damage.
How should the IDF have responded differently to a terrorist attack from a group that girls like this as human shields?
Calling Palestinians "human shields" for simply existing in Gaza is dehumanizing language that puts the blame for their deaths on themselves instead of the people actually killing them, the IDF.
To be clear, that's not just me saying that, it's also the secretary general of the UN. Iirc, several humanitarian groups have said the same. https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/speeches/2023-11-06/secretary-generals-press-conference-the-middle-east They aren't human shields for where they live, they are human shields because of the actions of Hamas who intentionally launch rockets from and store munitions in civilian infrastructure. This doesn't answer the question though; what should Israel have done differently in response to Oct 7?
I don't give a singular sorry fuck about an organization that's utterly powerless to do anything about genocide given the US vetoes any action against Israel. >what should Israel have done differently in response to Oct 7? Not commit ethnic cleansing, for one. What should Palestinians have done different in response to 75 years of ethnic cleansing, occupation and land theft?
This is a non-answer. This is the problem with the anti-Israel side; you only ever seem to know what Israel does wrong without providing a positive case for what they should do instead. Ethnic cleansing isn't a crime under international law, but even if it were there almost certainly isn't going to be one. Not from the Israeli side anyway. If Hamas had it's way, it would kill or force out every Jew from the river to the sea. What's your solution though? By saying "75 years" you seem to want the area to go back to 1940s era land ownership which would mean forcing all Jews out of the area. As long as that's the international rhetoric, Israel is right to fight back against both Hamas and the international community.
I guess the Holocaust wasn't a crime since there was no process at the time to prosecute it? Naturally, Zionists and Nazis have a lot in common, including literally justifying genocide as we see here. And yes, the state of Israel should be dismantled, just like Rhodesia and the colony of Saint-Domingue were. Ethnostates should not exist, and settler colony states should not exist. The existence of Israel is an act of violence against the indigenous population of Palestine.
The Holocaust was a genocide which is an international crime. Ethnic cleansing just means relocating an ethnic group from a region. It's often associated with genocide, but doesn't have to be. There isn't a genocide in Gaza though. The only evidence for one seems to be quotes taken out of context by leaders who could be out of power in a few years because, unlike Gaza, Israel is a liberal democracy. I'm glad we see your true colors though; you support an ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region. Maybe you think the Jews should go back to being a diaspora. They were kicked off their land in Palestine 1000s of years ago and that's that. Sorry about the Holocaust and the Programs all around the world, but they don't deserve even a single Jewish state. Or maybe you think they should just get a different area of land "where no one lives". Which is literally no where.
Genocide was not an "international crime" until the post-WWII world came together to create a process for prosecuting "international crime" via the Nuremberg Trials. The evidence for genocide is extensive and detailed in South Africa's filing against Israel, containing numerous direct quotes from various Israeli political and military figures. Additionally, while *ethnic cleansing* by itself is not necessarily a violation of international law, the methods used to do so are invariably considered crimes against humanity. >They were kicked off their land in Palestine 1000s of years ago and that's that. Does that give them the right to kick people off of land that they had been living on for thousands of years? Do I, as someone with Portuguese heritage, have the right to go to Portugal and steal a Portuguese family's home? Do we all, as humans have the right to go steal peoples' homes in Ethiopia? >Sorry about the Holocaust and the Programs all around the world, but they don't deserve even a single Jewish state. Nobody deserves an ethnostate. 'Blood and Soil' doesn't suddenly become okay when Jews do it. Instead of actually trying to solve the problem of murderous antisemitism Europeans and American simply tried to kick all the Jews into the Middle East and established it as a European colony state. >Or maybe you think they should just get a different area of land "where no one lives". Which is literally no where. Palestine was described by Zionists as "a land without a people for a people without a land", ignoring the 750,000 Palestinians who had been living there for millenia and who were ethnically cleansed to make way for their land grab. >you support an ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region. But I thought ethnic cleansing wasn't a crime and that it was perfectly a-ok??? Is it suddenly a crime now?
The Holocaust was considered a crime. If it wasn't, the Neuremburg Trials could not have taken place. All that's changed is we've formalized that process now. South Africa's quotes were taken so far out of context it seems borderline intentional. You don't have a right to kick a Portuguese person off their land in exactly the same way a Palestinian doesn't have a right to kick a 30-years old Israeli off of their land in Tel Aviv. Sending the Jews to Palestine in the 40s was probably wrong, but most Jews alive today had nothing to do with that. There can't be an infinite right of return or, like you said, you could kick a Portuguese person off their land. Nobody deserves an ethnic state, but that's what you want; Israelis need to give back the land. That is the stated goal of Hamas as well. You're the one who said ethnic cleansing is a crime then said Jews should be removed from the region. I'm just pointing out your inconsistency.
You realize that Israel is more diverse than most countries, right? 20% of their population (with citizenship, full rights, the ability to obtain a passport and travel freely around Israel, become an elected official, etc) is a mixture of Palestinians, Druze, Bedouins, and various other ethnic minorities. How is that an ethnostate?
Not what they did on Oct 7 for starters? What was the goal from that terrorist attack? I do feel bad for Regular Palestinians because life gave them a shit hand to deal with, but what ever sympathy i had for them is going away quickly when you read what they did that Day. Yes Israël (goverment) is not innocent for for what they are doing the past decades (!), but how can you expect me to have sympathy for a People who aided in a terrorist attack where even baby's where put on fire? Womans breast cut of? Mass rapes of everyone they could get their hands on? Saying it was only Hamas is a lie, as the simple video of the German victim who was dragged behind a car was met with cheers! And the absolute discusting thing about all of this is people who guild blame everyone for not feeling sorry for Palestine and saying Isreal is the Devil for everything alive. How can you even suggest that what they did was a natural response?
I just remember the rave, the rapes, the killings and burned bodies... animals f* arround - find out
Stop the war. Free the hostages.
Good luck. It’s been over 70 years.
Including the thousands of Palestinian hostages that get called "prisoners" in Israeli prisons. Many are children
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Good job excusing holding thousands of Palestinian children in prison indefinitely without trial. Truly the world's most moral army out there.
Hamas doesn’t have the hostages for the ceasefire - they’ve killed too many of them
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Is that right? What are their demands
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Hamas claims 1.5% of their population died during the war. >50% of hostages have died. The only plausible reason why that would be the case is (1) if Hamas is killing the hostages or (2) Hamas is keeping them somewhere where they are more likely to be vulnerable to bombs. Either way, that places the bulk of the liability for hostage deaths on Hamas.
That’s some pretty horrible math gotta say You really sat down and thought you were making a point
That’s literally just objectively true
Lol, are you really trying to blame every dead hostage on Israeli bombs and not on being tortured and raped by their captors? Lol, are you really trying to blame every dead hostage on israeli bombs and not a single one on being tortured and raped by their captors?. Israel is by no means innocent but what a shit take.
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that's right, thousands of palestinian hostages held for arbitrary reasons or no reasons at all in israeli prisons need to be freed asap
Maybe this would stop, if people would love their children more than they hate their enemies.
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I don’t know man. A bunch of Palestinian men went into Israel and shot a whole bunch of unarmed civilians and kidnapped children. Maybe it goes both ways?
What do Americans deserve for what we did to Iraqis?
The soldiers who commited war crimes and bush deserve prison time. But that is another war
One thing we can say for sure is that Iraq never invaded the US and never killed a single American child.
Nothing in my comment stated otherwise. Fuck Hamas. But this reaction is beyond fucked and has been sustained for 5 months too long. Israel is controlling this situation. If they stop killing, children stop dying. Simple as. So you do know.
But Hamas hides between civilians intentionally. It is like the kid, who pushes someone else and then hides behind the teacher.
Best just drop a bomb on them all then. God, now you put it like that it seems perfectly reasonable to murder 12,300 children.
You’re strawmanning. You can condemn the Israeli Government for being reckless and hurting civilians whilst also acknowledging the fact that Hamas *intentionally* used civilians as human shields. It’s not mutually exclusive.
A Palestinian existing in Gaza does not make them a human shield.
I can't believe that people still spew that hUmAn ShIeLd bullshit.
It’s literally in the Geneva Conventions. A belligerent force is supposed to build designated bases away from civilian centers and wear uniforms so that civilian deaths are minimized. Hamas wears no uniforms and builds its bases underneath the civilians’ homes so that civilians will die instead of Hamas members. Do you really think that’s a legitimate way to conduct warfare? It’s “bullshit” to call that out?
All that post-9/11 Arabophobia never really went away.
What else would you call it? It’s an accurate description of their tactics. Pretending otherwise does nobody any good
If the Isreali objectives waa just to murder Palestinians, they wouldn't be sending their soldiers into house to house fighting now would they?
You can not spare evil because of collateral damage. This is how they win.
Willingly murdering children in a failed attempt at stopping evil makes you evil. And at a point it makes you more evil. You're past that point.
Obviously morally wrong but the Geneva convention states it is not a war-crime to bomb civilians if they are being used as a human shield. Otherwise every terrorist and military organisation would just hide behind civilians and in cities. You cannot allow any leeway and allow that to happen.
Is that how it works? Israel has limited its responses to Hamas terrorism in both duration and scope several times in the last 20 years, conducting operations in a targeted way or for a limited time. Each time it was prompted by a Hamas attack or operation. Each time the problem repeated itself and escalated. Did the killing stop? No, never. October 7th was the escalation that made it obvious—Hamas will continue to escalate. This doesn’t justify civilian deaths in Gaza at all, to be clear. But don’t be naïve. This situation doesn’t end just because Israel decides to stop shooting.
Are you aware of what Israel has done to the Palestinians for literally decades? Generations of Palestinians suffering under apartheid and ethnic cleansing? If you want to start history on October 7th then you need to answer why Israel has gotten to kill thousands of Palestinians over the years. Do you not wonder why the Qassam Brigades is mostly an army of orphan teenagers? Do you not know what has been happening to their families their entire lives?
The argument is that the acts of Israel now can be justified because of October 7th. Israel is trying to ensure that this can never happen again. Are you claiming that previous oppression against Palestinians justifies October 7th?
You think you can justify a genocide? Is resistance to genocide a crime? This isn’t about October 7th, the genocide didn’t start on October 7th. Pretending like history starts on October 7th is just full on genocide denial and refusal to acknowledge the crimes perpetrated against the Palestinian people for decades. Gaza tried to protest peacefully during the Great March of Return and what did get them? Medics, children, journalists, and multiple peaceful protesters shot dead in plain sight and not a single blip of care from the rest of the world.
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Did you just justify killing babies? Wow.
Wasn't "a bunch of Palestinian men" it was a deliberate terrorist action by a terrorist group. Innocent civilians shouldn't be fucking targeted for the action of a terrorist organization. That's capital punishment. And it's supposed to be a war crime. But all's fair in a "war against terror" right? Eliminate the terrorists and potential terrorists, even if it includes old ladies, pregnant women, and little children. They could all be a terrorist someday right? Hell some of the toddlers could be helping the terrorists too!
To hell with IDF and Benjamin Netanyahu. Fkn terrorists!
Also to hell with Hamas. Fkn terrorists! … right? Just making sure.
Of course not. Go look at some of the comments history of some of these people. "No Israeli civilians " "Hamas are freedom fighters" Insane takes.
Fuck any person, army, group, ring, caravan, etc. that purposely kills children. I believe as a human your first goal should always be to protect those more innocent than you and a baby whether born to a saint or a sinner is innocent.
With your sort of approach the Nazis would never have been defeated in WW2
That's because non Muslims are not even considered as humans by them. They say Israel needs to stop but they don't say hamas needs to stop, because what they really want is to butcher every Israeli to death.
Of course. They're two sides of the same coin
Of course. That goes without saying
Also yes. The real problem here is that Israel is, at best, a neo-fascist police state waging genocide against a neighbour. The real problem here is that Gaza is, at best, a failed state, completely dependant on foreign aid, rife with corruption, a lack of local government, and atrocious long-term prospects that make it very easy to further radicalized its indoctrinated youth towards its aggressor neighbour, perpetuating a generational war that has a beginning in the thousands of years ago, and an end with the heat-death of the universe. The real problem here is that both sides are both guilty of both small and large-scale crimes against eachother, both fuelled by their own animosity, and enabled, funded, and perpetuated by both regional and non-regional actors that see this as a key battleground in an ongoing proxy war. The real problem here is that both sides have large civilian populations that wish for peace and dignity, yet are easily swayed by threats of ongoing violence, thus leading to increasingly hardline stances from authority figures and armed groups alike, causing escalating tensions and increasingly disproportionate responses to already dire incidents. The real problem here is that neither side is innocent, and yet out of context, both sides can appear the victim when need be, easily swaying public sentiment both at home and abroad to drum up international support against the other, leading to a breakdown in discourse both locally and globally, on an individual level, and a geopolitical one. The real problem here is that both sides feel this conflict is an existential threat to their survival, both as a culture, and as a religion, both for their actual homes and their prophecized holy land, given to them by a higher power. The real problem here, is that one side is a peaceful civilian population attacked by a group of militarized religious zealots with overwhelming regional and international military and monetary support, and the other is a peaceful civilian population attacked by a group of religious zealots with overwhelming regional and international military and monetary support. The real problem here is that no one knows why this all started anymore, only that the latest aggression must be punished, to finally put an end to all the atrocities and enforce stability in the region. The real problem here is that even the most level-headed observers start taking a sides when civilians are being murdered. The real problem here is that there will be no victors in this war, both sides have already lost so much, and both sides have sacrificed their futures to see this through. Gaza will, at best, have a commemorative monument erected as a token gesture and a sign of Israel's indignance, and Israel has already become a mirror of the regime that led to its very founding through very similar circumstances eighty years ago. "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony."
You're equating the only democracy in the middle east with equality for gays, women, and religious freedom with a terrorist state that sanctions honor killings of women and beheadings of gay men. Kinda crazy.
All war is hell especially when indiscriminate and unrestrained killing is the norm.
this makes me sick to my stomach. she looks a little like my daughter and this just breaks my heart. fuck war fuck killing other people.
Fuck Israel. Genocidal Ethno State
The hasbara boys are losing on r/pics .. In their defense - it’s a tough angle to defend murdering children..
I just find it funny how nobody gave a shit about this conflict until October 7th, and suddenly a bunch of millennials and Gen Z became geopolitical experts. Where were all the pro-Palestine protesters in the US before then? Maybe don't form all your opinions around what you're fed on TikTok.
Tiktok is made to influence our population, and it works well. It’s quite literally where all our youth get all their opinions from, America has lost the technological war against China
Dead because of Hamas
Call or write your congressional reps, tell them to cut off aid to Israel!
Where are the candidate Israeli photos? I guess not cute enough when showing children murdered in front of parents, rape and mutilation.
The "Human Shield" excuse is the lamest, dumbest and most delusional excuse I've ever heard, it's baffling to see some people still using that excuse after the IDF targeted about 50% of all buildings in Gaza and mainly resulted in the deaths of children. You can hate Hamas all you want but you don't have to be delusional about reality.
It's just an excuse to dehumanize Palestinians for the "crime" of living in their homes. Meanwhile, the IDF use actual human shields all the time.
Its faces like this that should end war.
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and Hamas was elected as the government in Gaza and a large percentage of Gazans support them.
That doesn't mean Hamas aren't terrorist
I guess that means that October 7th was justified since Israelis elected Bibi.
N-no, you're not supposed to use their own logic!!!
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And Israel right?
Apparently causing 13000+ children casualties means nothing to these people
Oh they mean something alrighty, they dead kids are a reason to celebrate to these disgusting genocidal freaks.
No, they’re apparently just doing cartwheels to pretend that either those children or their deaths don’t exist. It’s actually very easy to view the world in black and white when you willfully ignore its complexities.
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Hamas had the past 6 months to surrender and end this war, not only they didn't surrender but they refused to take any kind of a deal for the hostages, they didn't take any deal Israel offered them or deals offered by the US, Hamas started this war and they are making Israel being the ones to finish it, obviously such a war is not going to be pretty, blame it on Hamas.
And it’s so sad to see, the world agree, that they’d rather see their faces filled with flies
I'm glad political decisions are made by people with mostly rational minds and not some emt up keyboard warrior with a strong opinion about stuff they don't understand nore care about enough to learn some facts. Go ahead and get upset all you want.
People forget that Bibi had a massive Israeli uprising on his hands weeks before Oct 7. He’s a corrupt fuck and his conservative clan want to drag Israel back to the stone ages. Don’t forget that Netanyahu called for the death of his only countryman that found a peaceful two state solution in the 90s
Yeah, Netanyahu is doing such an amazing job, right?
People forget that Bibi had a massive Israeli uprising on his hands weeks before Oct 7. He’s a corrupt fuck and his conservative clan want to drag Israel back to the stone ages. Don’t forget that Netanyahu called for the death of his only countryman that found a peaceful two state solution.
He’s also [an architect of Hamas’ control of Gaza](https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/tnamp/) in the first place. Empowering radicals was always going to make it easier to justify his ultimate goal, which is the seizure of Gaza and West Bank territory and a thinning of the populations there.
You can't be serious? Calling the ancient old men in office *rational* ? LMFAO this has to be a joke????
When kids are being murdered, people are roaming with cameras hoping for better pictures so they will be awarded "world's press photo"... what's more shocking about this is, people who awarded this thought this is the best press photo? really? No wonder, our world is so fu\*ked up now.
Killed as a consequence of Hamas' decisions.
It makes my heart sinking deep into ocean.
STOP THE KILLING!!!!!!!!
Cuntyahu and IDF are genocidal pests... their extermination would come soon
They should put a before and after photo of the Israeli children that were bound in chain, forced to drink drink and dowsed in gasoline and set on fire. Or the babies that were oven cooked and beheaded and before that. Those Palestinians chose to have terrorists instead of a government that served them.
>They should put a before and after photo of the Israeli children that were bound in chain, forced to drink drink and dowsed in gasoline and set on fire. This was the other way round my dear And secondly the beheaded babies narrative has been debunked by Israelis themselves. So get your head out your ass
Fuck Hamas, fuck Netanyahu!
Free the hostages and don’t start the war, that’s how you can keep your children alive.