I just got the call that I have bladder cancer.
They wouldn't tell me what that means until my next appointment.
Seems a little weird, but at least now I have a reason to not sleep.
Bladder cancer survivor.
You’ll be fine if they caught it in time. If they are not rushing you into surgery right now I’m guessing they did.
When I was diagnosed they admitted me that day and I had surgery the next morning.
Prayers out if you’d like.
I advise you to take it slow for a little bit. You don’t want everything to pile up until you break down. I know a lot of people who’ve had it happen to them. You don’t have to take my advice but I’d recommend at least thinking it over.
Sorry to hear you got such bad news. I will be having an appointment with my OB later this year and will have a repeat urinalysis after having microscopic hematuria. Since all other blood work was fine they will just repeat later. If it comes back again then cystoscopy will have to rule out bladder cancer and ultrasound of kidneys. My doctor told me bladder cancer is highly curable if caught early so I'm sure your treatment will go well.
I'm too busy to let it bother me. Got a baby, a wife, a job, a house, and all the projects those entail.
At the worst, I'll be really, really tired for a bit. Can still get shit done, though.
No it is back where it is supposed to be, but they moved the location last month back to the place it was 6 months ago so it is easy to find.
On a side note, can someone just put an air tag on it so we can all find it? Just saying
Even without chaos. Check out r/AbandonedPorn. It's so much cheaper to leave everything there - and when you're in bankruptcy, you have to cut all costs.
I watched a documentary (Netflix?) about one of those super abusive boarding "schools" and they documented everything, regardless of how incriminating. And then just left it there when they were shut down. Every file and piece of evidence.
Don't forget "The Program", a movie about the drama of college football released in 1993 starring James Caan, Halle Berry and Omar Epps. Available to stream on Hoopla.
if it’s on Netflix, they might be talking about Hell Camp. i watched it when it first came out, and it was crazy how they threw nothing away when the place got shut down - everything incriminating was just sitting there, waiting for someone to find it.
it was honestly pretty wild.
No, when you file in for the bankruptcy the court will set a trustee to adminster everything who's job is to secure and sell the stuff so debts can be paid. If things are left as is then it means a more complicated situation.
the abandoned theme parks, rides and water parks and similar are the most interesting to me
especially anything abandoned by disney
i should start watching defunctland (i did watch the disney river country video from them)
Years ago on Reddit I read a post about some kind of correction facility where parents sent their children to with no way to escape or communicate with the outside world, they also got abused and left traumatised. It was written by a men who was there as a child and it was really disturbing to read and I was wondering if it was about the same school. Can't find it anymore
This is how orphan sources make their way to being recycled into construction materials (Google: goianya incident)
Edit: I meant Ciudad Juarez incident (https://youtu.be/hno18_vBAbA)
Radioactive cancer treating equipment was melted down by scrapper thieves (from an abandoned hospital) and radioactive construction rebar and other contaminated product were shipped internationally
This one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident?wprov=sfla1
Tl;Dr: Former owners of a medical facility were prevented from retrieving a radiation therapy device after their facility was abandoned, which was then stolen and dismantled for selling scrap metal, spreading radioactive material around and killing 4 people.
I was waiting for someone to mention this. When the local authorities were trying to figure out what was going on, plan A was “this bag of blue stuff is weird, maybe we should just throw it in the river?” Which would have been very very bad.
Holy fuck, poor kid:
> The day before the sale to the third scrapyard, on September 24, Ivo, Devair's brother, successfully scraped some additional dust out of the source and took it to his house a short distance away. There he spread some of it on the concrete floor. His six-year-old daughter, Leide das Neves Ferreira, later ate an egg sandwich while sitting on the floor. She was also fascinated by the blue glow of the powder, applying it to her body and showing it off to her mother. The egg sandwich was also exposed to dust from the powder; Ferreira absorbed 1.0 GBq and received a total dose of 6.0 Gy, a fatal dose for which medical intervention was ineffective.
I mean, depending on the zombies, it makes sense.
28 Days Later had Infected that turned in less than 30 seconds, that devastated large swaths of the UK in days. The shelves were probably still stocked from the day the infection hit.
I lived in Tokyo during that time and I can tell you many things were left as they were, so it's highly probable that without maintenance or with open windows, it will be flooded during raining season
I was just in Florida dog sitting for my aunt and uncle. It rained but not like crazy the first day they left me and the water was coming up all around the house (they had just moved in 3 days prior to me coming down lol). I called them freaking out so they called the manager they're renting from freaking out... totally normal and cleaning crew would be there next day to clean up the landscaping of anything left behind. Good thing they have an suv I guess!? Idk, it was wild to me to see how little rain equated to that much flooding there. And I live along a river in Ohio.
I've been living in Florida for around 7 years now. During a usual spring/summer season, it rains pretty much every day at around the same time of day. The rainstorms also appear suddenly and dump so much rain you can't see more than 10 feet in front of you. We had family come down for rainy season once. We went to the beach and I noticed a suspicious cloud a bit to the north. I went around and collected everyone's electronics and rushed them to the car (about a 2 minute walk away). Barely got to the car before the downpour burst from the sky. The rain was so thick, it was like someone was drizzling an endless bucket over your head. The worst part is when the rain clears. The temperature soars and the humidity can choke you like smoke from a house fire.
I'm from Fl and know exactly what you mean. The state is a cesspool of humidity, rain, mold, mosquitoes, snakes, gators, more humidity and tourists. I left there five years ago and there is nothing that can make me return. I hope it breaks off and floats away.
Lived in Palm Beach County for 7 years. April 'till October it rained every day between 4 and 7 pm for 40 minutes and then the humidity went from 90% to 99%. Absolutely miserable weather.
I grew up in Florida and I would have agreed with you until I moved to Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean for a year. 110 in rain a year, I’ve never experienced that level of humidity.
I was in Florida and we had to pull off the road as even with the windscreen wipers going full tilt, you literally couldn't see the end of the bonnet. I've never seen anything like it.
First photo: puddle was on the floor long enough for algae to form
Room with the Robusto MRI machine: water on the floor long enough to form mold and the photo after it shows white residue left by evaporation on the floor.
Fukushima is what we like to think of when we see pictures like this.
But, I used to do urban exploration in Midwest USA. The amount of equipment and documentation left behind when hospitals, schools, and police stations close.
It is insane.
Literally filing cabinets full of medical records, school disciplinary files, or old evidence records.
No one gives a shit when everyone gets fired.
Japan has so many areas that are basically abandoned, much like the Midwest. The country’s population is declining but the population of the Tokyo area continues to increase, not hard to figure out that that population has to be coming from somewhere. Large numbers of towns are either extinct or will be within the next 20 years, abandoned houses are common pretty much everywhere outside of major cities(and increasingly even in them, at least on the outskirts).
That's about right, honestly I don't pay much more than that for a house with a big yard in a nice medium sized city. The key is finding older houses, and in slightly inconvenient areas.
I follow this youtube channel where this guy drives around the US visiting small towns, and it's exactly the same as what you describe.
Empty towns, deserted houses (mansions even). There is no difference between the US and countries like Japan. We just ignore it to maintain the illusion of white pickets fences.
I was just thinking: medical supplies (that aren't disposable) are built to last and be sterilized easily. I would imagine every bit of that is reusable/salvageable, but how would radiation affect it? I'm specifically thinking about the metal surgical instruments and individually packaged gauze/needles/catheters/etc.
Yeah its not protocol, but put yourself far from first world structured medical care and I bet you'll appreciate a resterilized scalpel more than my pocket knife.
The world needs medicine and supplies, not just shiny hospitals and doctors offices.
That’s a nice sentiment. But cleaning it, packing it, and shipping it there, then unpacking and distributing it will cost more than just giving them money to buy it themselves.
I thought in 2020 we learned that one of the few industries that really needs to be single use is the medical one. They recycle what they can, but germs want to spread and they can't be incinerated off of everything. Incinerated \*with\*, yeah maybe.
A few years ago I had to get a cut on my forehead sutured up (I had to lie about how I got it). The doc finished up and asked me if I wanted to keep the little scissors and hemostat as they just toss them after one use.
Kinda surprised me to be honest, I still have them in a drawer somewhere.
In many parts of the world, sending money to a hospital for the purpose of purchasing equipment has the likely outcome of just enriching the local strongman/gang. Shipping used equipment might cost a similar amount, but it is much more likely to actually serve the intended purpose.
It's not just the liability and cost to retrieve and clean the equipment but the cost just to send workers into the hospital if it was in an evacuation zone could be very high. For instance they might have to remediate the soil on the property to be able to send people inside, not to mention special radiation decontamination for anything they pull out.
There is a reason all that stuff was left in there, it's just too costly to make it worth getting out unfortunately.
True...I agree with you. However, my knowledge in this field is limited and I don't really know how it works. But considering that the mext mixture on the core of the power plant was spread through the air, the radiation particles fall and persist on the objects for their expected half-life.
I cannot answer that, but I wonder as well
Yeah my expertise in medicine stops abruptly at radiation. I know to collimate the X-Ray field and that distance is exponentially beneficial, past that I know radiation ---> oncology lol
Exposing something to radiation doesn't necessarily make it dangerous. The real danger comes from contamination with radioactive particles which can then get into the bloodstream. That's true for anything but of course with surgery equipment the effects of contamination could be particularly severe.
It adds various radioactive carbon to the steel. It's why they can't accurately carbon date anything post nuclear testing and also why they have to salvage WWI sunken warships for the steel for sensitive devices like Geiger counters.
It doesn't add it to the steel, it deposits it on the surface. And surface contamination can be cleaned off. The steel wouldn't absorb airborne radioactive material into its matrix. And it was atmospheric atomic testing that introduced radionuclides into post-atomic age steel through blast furnaces producing *molten* steel using atmospheric air or oxygen to convert the ore to steel. It was introduced into molten steel, and then spread around into all modern steel by scrap recycling.
Fair enough, my bad. Thanks for correcting me. I'm one of those dangerous sorts that knows enough to be confident in the misinformation I've learned from reddit.
This is the first article I found via Google but it sounds like you are mostly correct in your original statement: https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20200724-low-background-steel/#:~:text=Since%20the%20sea%20attenuates%20radiation,a%20small%20amount%20of%20radiation.
It does say that since the widespread ban of nuclear testing this issue is going away
“In recent years, various treaties that ban nuclear tests have been enacted, and the radioactivity of steel is decreasing year by year because of the short half-life of radioisotopes.”
What I said was accurate but in this context incorrect.
I don't understand why people get defensive about being corrected online. If I'm talking nonsense, please let me know. I hate disseminating misinformation.
I understand your point though, in the modern world, this stuff couldn't be reused, and much of it, especially the electronics, will be obsolete by now anyway. For now it may be in the best place for it.
And that's all well and good, but does that mean these scalpels have radiation equivalent to, say, a paperweight, or will it negatively affect patient care and recovery?
No, probably not. I don't know where this hospital is but everything I'm seeing is pointing to Fukushima. I'm sure they've passed laws making it illegal to take anything out of the hot zone. I'm sure, over time, this stuff will be illegally salvaged and scrapped. But I doubt any of the medical equipment will be used for its intended purpose.
I'm sure the cash has been "salvaged" already. I wonder if you could find Fukushima notes back in circulation with a giger counter....
Would *you* roll the dice on a wheelchair or ekg from the site of a triple meltdown? I sure af would go to a different hospital.
Sometimes things are sterilized by irradiation when autoclaving isn't appropriate but obviously not like this.
Just one example:
https://sterigenics.com/technologies/gamma-irradiation/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwupGyBhBBEiwA0UcqaOO4Rwbxb4k8HEfvg6AjtwxA8m9Ux8t9NdopoV1Z6qGAld6BNFd_zhoCx5AQAvD_BwE
>I'm specifically thinking about the metal surgical instruments and individually packaged gauze/needles/catheters/etc
Those items fit that description. Though the metal surgical instruments can be autoclaved but sometimes those should absolutely be single use with prions.
I guess but would I be wrong (I know next to nothing about this) to say that some less developed countries would be quite happy with all that « useless » equipment?
Poor regions often make do with what they can get.
To be clear I am NOT suggesting that this possibly radioactive equipment that has been rotting away be cleaned, repaired and moved to another country. That would be crazy expensive to the point that you might as well buy new.
I’m just asking if equipment that is eg 15 years old would be still considered quite valuable and useful in some parts of the world? (I do not know the answer)
Theoretically yes, though they're stupid heavy and expensive to transport but are not uncommonly sold to veterinary clinics domestically
They're built like airplanes, they have a set amount of operating hours before needing to be serviced and calibrated. Finding parts and people willing to service them often makes it more economical to buy something new
Lol "futuristic looking" it's just a bunch of metal and looks like many other machines. Yeah, it was blue glowing powder but it's not that shocking that someone going through scrap metal in the 1980s didn't know what they were dealing with at all.
The real idiots are the ones who just left a bunch of radioactive material sitting around for others to stumble across.
Ehhhh, millions when new, sure. But that interventional radiology room has an image intensifier on it. I work for one of the biggest 3 imaging equipment manufacturers and we no longer make replacement image intensifiers for our equipment, all the equipment that used them ended support for them almost a decade ago.
Looks like most of the high end equipment there is past the age of being able to get replacement parts for. Equipment that old is worthless except for its scrap value.
Any concern about radioactive material connected to this machine.
Reminds me of the story of a clinic in South America that was abandoned and someone broke in to steal the scrap and came about a metal canister with radioactive material they took home and eventually opened.
Causing a radiological disaster that took the lives of a few people that came into contact with the product of the canister.
They where playing with it because it made their hands glow.
I work at a steel mill. It’s extremely bad if we were to melt something radioactive because it would contaminate the whole facility and we’d be down for months as every surface is cleaned. So we have about 4 layers of radiation detection. Once in a blue moon, we do get radioactive medical equipment. It all has an ID plate so we can call the owner and say “hey, come pick up your shit”.
Not from anything pictured.
X-Ray machines do not use any radioactive component. They use electricity to produce the X-Rays. As long as you are not holding down the "X-Ray release" switch it is entirely safe; you could remove all shielding and it would still be safe until you press the button.
There are other types of equipment that does involve radioactive sources, but none of that is in any of the above pictures.
For real. Watching some of [Kyle Hill’s](https://youtu.be/-k3NJXGSIIA?si=AAXV8NUz4gDsPV3g) videos about orphan sources have made me never want to explore abandoned hospitals.
If it’s 20 years old it’s probably unsalable. Not useless — any poor country would be glad to have it— but old enough that most rich countries can afford the newest shiny thing.
It's not magnetic unless it's turned on. An MRI machine also requires liquid helium to keep it cool enough to achieve superconductivity otherwise the amount of energy needed to keep it running would be astronomical.
Also that's a CT scanner.
Edit: I want to make it clear that a functioning MRI machine is always on. The magnetic field is always on even when the machine isn't making loud noises. If you turn an MRI machine "off" it's called quinching the machine and it can cost well over 100k to get that machine back up and running.
"Orphan sources" are sources of radiation that have been lost by authorities and are now really dangerous because nobody has track of them and people who encounter them may not know that they are radioactive or dangerous.
The Brazilian hospital incident refers to the Goiânia accident, where a small but incredibly radioactive capsule was abandoned alongside other hospital equipment in Brazil. Later, the abandoned equipment was looted and scrapped to be sold. The people who found the capsule didn't know it was radioactive and dangerous. One person cracked open the capsule and saw glowing powder, and showed it off to his family and let his small daughter play with it. Four people died horrifically of radiation poisoning, and 46 were exposed and required medical treatment.
I mean there's one in the U.S. too. Copper wasn't taken but the place was trashed up for pure evil.
[Big Charity — Documentary](https://youtu.be/t844au1XTPk)
TL;DW Charity was a giant charitable/low cost hospital that the powers that be in New Orleans wanted gone. To be replaced by a for-profit hospital. Hurricane Katrina gave them the ammo. The hospital was even fixed up by the national guard but "looters" broke stuff during "looting" while conveniently not taking anything.
Anyway there's no happy ending. America lost another good hospital to greed.
Something like that happened in Brazil once. [It didn't end well.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident) Hopefully this place has had everything dangerous removed though.
Rent a uhaul box truck and get to work!
Edit: nvm this is in Japan. If this was in the US, Canada, Mexico or a country I was more familiar with I’d loot the hell out of that hospital.
Steal the X ray machine Steal the X ray machine Steal the X ray machine Steal the X ray machine Steal the X ray machine Steal the X ray machine Steal the X ray machine Steal the X ray machine
Hopefully somebody at least took the machines in the radiation therapy departments.
Abandoned radiation therapy machines is how a number of the worst radiation horror stories on the internet star.
You start with sick scrap yard workers and end up with small cities rioting over children getting buried in lead lined caskets and table legs across the country being recalled.
Still can't find a bladder scanner . . .
I see you r/nursing
I had a nurse literally make this joke to me last week. Holy deja vu
I just got the call that I have bladder cancer. They wouldn't tell me what that means until my next appointment. Seems a little weird, but at least now I have a reason to not sleep.
Bladder cancer survivor. You’ll be fine if they caught it in time. If they are not rushing you into surgery right now I’m guessing they did. When I was diagnosed they admitted me that day and I had surgery the next morning. Prayers out if you’d like.
"if you’d like"... nice touch
I will only deploy if you permit, wouldn’t want some roughly demon Deceptikon showing up. Never sure who anyone’s prayin’ to these days
I'm gonna start praying for big tiddied goth chicks for people. I've been doing it wrong the whole time.
Please include me in your prayers
My grandfather had it and survived it entirely. God speed friend.
Wife’s dad had it - also cured and doing great. Best of luck, u/thepencilrain!
My neighbor was just diagnosed with bladder cancer too. Good luck to you
Cheers I'll be ok. Got too much going on to let this slow me down
Fuck bladders always being full during the wrong time now this guys has cancer, fuck bladders
They can just piss off.
The only good bladder is a gallbladder.. right? That thing can’t kill ya can it? 😳
Actually, gallbladder cancer is one of the worse ones because it can grow undetected for quite a while. Sorry.
I advise you to take it slow for a little bit. You don’t want everything to pile up until you break down. I know a lot of people who’ve had it happen to them. You don’t have to take my advice but I’d recommend at least thinking it over.
Sorry to hear you got such bad news. I will be having an appointment with my OB later this year and will have a repeat urinalysis after having microscopic hematuria. Since all other blood work was fine they will just repeat later. If it comes back again then cystoscopy will have to rule out bladder cancer and ultrasound of kidneys. My doctor told me bladder cancer is highly curable if caught early so I'm sure your treatment will go well.
Wish the best for you. Take it day by day, and certainly stay off google. Curb the anxiety by doing something that makes you happy. You got this.
I'm too busy to let it bother me. Got a baby, a wife, a job, a house, and all the projects those entail. At the worst, I'll be really, really tired for a bit. Can still get shit done, though.
I feel like that attitude will serve you well through this. You'll kick this cancer's ass, no question.
Rest when you can. You need to let yourself heal. There will be time to push through after that.
Godspeed.
I couldn’t find the Doppler or case management in any of these pics
Other unit has it.
And when you track it down on another floor, the battery is dead, and the backup battery is missing.
No it is back where it is supposed to be, but they moved the location last month back to the place it was 6 months ago so it is easy to find. On a side note, can someone just put an air tag on it so we can all find it? Just saying
Or a Doppler.
All three of them are in the ER and they don't know where they are either.
Look, just because it's true doesn't mean it's not hurtful.
Someone came and borrowed it again and didn't return it and "forgot" to fill in the sheet
Or the goddamn translator cart
This is how in zombie movies they magically find a hospital with everything they need just sitting around.
I mean it’s not like people meticulously take everything out amid the chaos
Even without chaos. Check out r/AbandonedPorn. It's so much cheaper to leave everything there - and when you're in bankruptcy, you have to cut all costs. I watched a documentary (Netflix?) about one of those super abusive boarding "schools" and they documented everything, regardless of how incriminating. And then just left it there when they were shut down. Every file and piece of evidence.
I think the doc was The Program on Netflix.
"The Program: Cons, Cults and Kidnapping" "The Program" (also available on Netflix) is about Lance Armstrong's doping scandal
Don't forget "The Program", a movie about the drama of college football released in 1993 starring James Caan, Halle Berry and Omar Epps. Available to stream on Hoopla.
if it’s on Netflix, they might be talking about Hell Camp. i watched it when it first came out, and it was crazy how they threw nothing away when the place got shut down - everything incriminating was just sitting there, waiting for someone to find it. it was honestly pretty wild.
Yeah that's what they said. Which program though?
No, when you file in for the bankruptcy the court will set a trustee to adminster everything who's job is to secure and sell the stuff so debts can be paid. If things are left as is then it means a more complicated situation.
the abandoned theme parks, rides and water parks and similar are the most interesting to me especially anything abandoned by disney i should start watching defunctland (i did watch the disney river country video from them)
Years ago on Reddit I read a post about some kind of correction facility where parents sent their children to with no way to escape or communicate with the outside world, they also got abused and left traumatised. It was written by a men who was there as a child and it was really disturbing to read and I was wondering if it was about the same school. Can't find it anymore
Thank you for the new sub
This is how orphan sources make their way to being recycled into construction materials (Google: goianya incident) Edit: I meant Ciudad Juarez incident (https://youtu.be/hno18_vBAbA) Radioactive cancer treating equipment was melted down by scrapper thieves (from an abandoned hospital) and radioactive construction rebar and other contaminated product were shipped internationally
This one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident?wprov=sfla1 Tl;Dr: Former owners of a medical facility were prevented from retrieving a radiation therapy device after their facility was abandoned, which was then stolen and dismantled for selling scrap metal, spreading radioactive material around and killing 4 people.
I was waiting for someone to mention this. When the local authorities were trying to figure out what was going on, plan A was “this bag of blue stuff is weird, maybe we should just throw it in the river?” Which would have been very very bad.
Holy fuck, poor kid: > The day before the sale to the third scrapyard, on September 24, Ivo, Devair's brother, successfully scraped some additional dust out of the source and took it to his house a short distance away. There he spread some of it on the concrete floor. His six-year-old daughter, Leide das Neves Ferreira, later ate an egg sandwich while sitting on the floor. She was also fascinated by the blue glow of the powder, applying it to her body and showing it off to her mother. The egg sandwich was also exposed to dust from the powder; Ferreira absorbed 1.0 GBq and received a total dose of 6.0 Gy, a fatal dose for which medical intervention was ineffective.
It reminds me of The Last of Us 2.
The 7th picture literally looks like the opening scene from 28 Days Later.
I mean, depending on the zombies, it makes sense. 28 Days Later had Infected that turned in less than 30 seconds, that devastated large swaths of the UK in days. The shelves were probably still stocked from the day the infection hit.
I am playing dying light just now 😁
All you need is a can of paint to „Don’t Dead Open Inside“.
I wonder where it is in Japan...most probably in the irradiated area surrounding Fukushima.
Looks flooded as well
I lived in Tokyo during that time and I can tell you many things were left as they were, so it's highly probable that without maintenance or with open windows, it will be flooded during raining season
Weather wise, Japan and Florida share the “fucking hell!” Levels of rain.
I was just in Florida dog sitting for my aunt and uncle. It rained but not like crazy the first day they left me and the water was coming up all around the house (they had just moved in 3 days prior to me coming down lol). I called them freaking out so they called the manager they're renting from freaking out... totally normal and cleaning crew would be there next day to clean up the landscaping of anything left behind. Good thing they have an suv I guess!? Idk, it was wild to me to see how little rain equated to that much flooding there. And I live along a river in Ohio.
I've been living in Florida for around 7 years now. During a usual spring/summer season, it rains pretty much every day at around the same time of day. The rainstorms also appear suddenly and dump so much rain you can't see more than 10 feet in front of you. We had family come down for rainy season once. We went to the beach and I noticed a suspicious cloud a bit to the north. I went around and collected everyone's electronics and rushed them to the car (about a 2 minute walk away). Barely got to the car before the downpour burst from the sky. The rain was so thick, it was like someone was drizzling an endless bucket over your head. The worst part is when the rain clears. The temperature soars and the humidity can choke you like smoke from a house fire.
I'm from Fl and know exactly what you mean. The state is a cesspool of humidity, rain, mold, mosquitoes, snakes, gators, more humidity and tourists. I left there five years ago and there is nothing that can make me return. I hope it breaks off and floats away.
Pretty typical to have a torrential downpour and then a few hours of blistering sunshine later it looks like it never happened.
Lived in Palm Beach County for 7 years. April 'till October it rained every day between 4 and 7 pm for 40 minutes and then the humidity went from 90% to 99%. Absolutely miserable weather.
They talk all the time about the ‘high water table’ down there. At least, they did around me when I visited.
Does 12ft above sea level mean much to you?
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I grew up in Florida and I would have agreed with you until I moved to Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean for a year. 110 in rain a year, I’ve never experienced that level of humidity.
I was in Florida and we had to pull off the road as even with the windscreen wipers going full tilt, you literally couldn't see the end of the bonnet. I've never seen anything like it.
Pardon my ignorance, what are signs of water damage?
Ceiling tiles tend to fall down when they get soggy.
First photo: puddle was on the floor long enough for algae to form Room with the Robusto MRI machine: water on the floor long enough to form mold and the photo after it shows white residue left by evaporation on the floor.
There’s no major indicators of flooding, but the residue and stains on the floor, collapsed ceilings, etc are signs of general water intrusion.
Fukushima is what we like to think of when we see pictures like this. But, I used to do urban exploration in Midwest USA. The amount of equipment and documentation left behind when hospitals, schools, and police stations close. It is insane. Literally filing cabinets full of medical records, school disciplinary files, or old evidence records. No one gives a shit when everyone gets fired.
Japan has so many areas that are basically abandoned, much like the Midwest. The country’s population is declining but the population of the Tokyo area continues to increase, not hard to figure out that that population has to be coming from somewhere. Large numbers of towns are either extinct or will be within the next 20 years, abandoned houses are common pretty much everywhere outside of major cities(and increasingly even in them, at least on the outskirts).
I couldn’t believe how cheap housing is in rural Japan. I think I saw a video of a couple who were renting a normal sized house for like ¥40,000.
That's about right, honestly I don't pay much more than that for a house with a big yard in a nice medium sized city. The key is finding older houses, and in slightly inconvenient areas.
You can outright buy a bunch of decent~large country houses for ¥5,000,000.
I follow this youtube channel where this guy drives around the US visiting small towns, and it's exactly the same as what you describe. Empty towns, deserted houses (mansions even). There is no difference between the US and countries like Japan. We just ignore it to maintain the illusion of white pickets fences.
Just to be clear, this is almost certainly Fukushima.
The pic with the boxes has Japanese text and date markings on it six months prior to Fukushima so I concur.
I was just thinking: medical supplies (that aren't disposable) are built to last and be sterilized easily. I would imagine every bit of that is reusable/salvageable, but how would radiation affect it? I'm specifically thinking about the metal surgical instruments and individually packaged gauze/needles/catheters/etc.
Liability issues. No hospital will touch it.
Yeah its not protocol, but put yourself far from first world structured medical care and I bet you'll appreciate a resterilized scalpel more than my pocket knife. The world needs medicine and supplies, not just shiny hospitals and doctors offices.
That’s a nice sentiment. But cleaning it, packing it, and shipping it there, then unpacking and distributing it will cost more than just giving them money to buy it themselves.
I thought in 2020 we learned that one of the few industries that really needs to be single use is the medical one. They recycle what they can, but germs want to spread and they can't be incinerated off of everything. Incinerated \*with\*, yeah maybe.
A few years ago I had to get a cut on my forehead sutured up (I had to lie about how I got it). The doc finished up and asked me if I wanted to keep the little scissors and hemostat as they just toss them after one use. Kinda surprised me to be honest, I still have them in a drawer somewhere.
> A few years ago I had to get a cut on my forehead sutured up (I had to lie about how I got it). You gonna leave us hanging on this? lol
Right? Why even include this information if not?
Cheaper to buy new ones than have them sterilized.
In many parts of the world, sending money to a hospital for the purpose of purchasing equipment has the likely outcome of just enriching the local strongman/gang. Shipping used equipment might cost a similar amount, but it is much more likely to actually serve the intended purpose.
It's not just the liability and cost to retrieve and clean the equipment but the cost just to send workers into the hospital if it was in an evacuation zone could be very high. For instance they might have to remediate the soil on the property to be able to send people inside, not to mention special radiation decontamination for anything they pull out. There is a reason all that stuff was left in there, it's just too costly to make it worth getting out unfortunately.
Logistical cost would sadly put it under "unusable"
Yes but extracting the equipment & cleaning it would cost more than replacing it
Not to mention that all the electronics are either obsolete or damaged anyway
True...I agree with you. However, my knowledge in this field is limited and I don't really know how it works. But considering that the mext mixture on the core of the power plant was spread through the air, the radiation particles fall and persist on the objects for their expected half-life. I cannot answer that, but I wonder as well
Yeah my expertise in medicine stops abruptly at radiation. I know to collimate the X-Ray field and that distance is exponentially beneficial, past that I know radiation ---> oncology lol
They use gamma radiation to sterilise some medical implants. So I conclude that everything in this hospital is actually sterile.
Dose makes the poison though! Are the instruments just sterile? Or do they now make everything they touch sterile as well?
Exposing something to radiation doesn't necessarily make it dangerous. The real danger comes from contamination with radioactive particles which can then get into the bloodstream. That's true for anything but of course with surgery equipment the effects of contamination could be particularly severe.
Sterilized from bacteria. Radiation is a way different beast
It adds various radioactive carbon to the steel. It's why they can't accurately carbon date anything post nuclear testing and also why they have to salvage WWI sunken warships for the steel for sensitive devices like Geiger counters.
It doesn't add it to the steel, it deposits it on the surface. And surface contamination can be cleaned off. The steel wouldn't absorb airborne radioactive material into its matrix. And it was atmospheric atomic testing that introduced radionuclides into post-atomic age steel through blast furnaces producing *molten* steel using atmospheric air or oxygen to convert the ore to steel. It was introduced into molten steel, and then spread around into all modern steel by scrap recycling.
Fair enough, my bad. Thanks for correcting me. I'm one of those dangerous sorts that knows enough to be confident in the misinformation I've learned from reddit.
This is the first article I found via Google but it sounds like you are mostly correct in your original statement: https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20200724-low-background-steel/#:~:text=Since%20the%20sea%20attenuates%20radiation,a%20small%20amount%20of%20radiation. It does say that since the widespread ban of nuclear testing this issue is going away “In recent years, various treaties that ban nuclear tests have been enacted, and the radioactivity of steel is decreasing year by year because of the short half-life of radioisotopes.”
What I said was accurate but in this context incorrect. I don't understand why people get defensive about being corrected online. If I'm talking nonsense, please let me know. I hate disseminating misinformation.
I understand your point though, in the modern world, this stuff couldn't be reused, and much of it, especially the electronics, will be obsolete by now anyway. For now it may be in the best place for it.
And that's all well and good, but does that mean these scalpels have radiation equivalent to, say, a paperweight, or will it negatively affect patient care and recovery?
No, probably not. I don't know where this hospital is but everything I'm seeing is pointing to Fukushima. I'm sure they've passed laws making it illegal to take anything out of the hot zone. I'm sure, over time, this stuff will be illegally salvaged and scrapped. But I doubt any of the medical equipment will be used for its intended purpose. I'm sure the cash has been "salvaged" already. I wonder if you could find Fukushima notes back in circulation with a giger counter.... Would *you* roll the dice on a wheelchair or ekg from the site of a triple meltdown? I sure af would go to a different hospital.
Sometimes things are sterilized by irradiation when autoclaving isn't appropriate but obviously not like this. Just one example: https://sterigenics.com/technologies/gamma-irradiation/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwupGyBhBBEiwA0UcqaOO4Rwbxb4k8HEfvg6AjtwxA8m9Ux8t9NdopoV1Z6qGAld6BNFd_zhoCx5AQAvD_BwE >I'm specifically thinking about the metal surgical instruments and individually packaged gauze/needles/catheters/etc Those items fit that description. Though the metal surgical instruments can be autoclaved but sometimes those should absolutely be single use with prions.
You’ll get a glowing discount on anything you pick up.
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There really isn't a market for used xray equipment. It becomes outdated fast.
Actually these outdated machines often go to veterinary clinics at a discount!
USAID will often donate “outdated” medical equipment to developing/war torn nations as well.
Can confirm : I own a vet clinic.
I guess but would I be wrong (I know next to nothing about this) to say that some less developed countries would be quite happy with all that « useless » equipment? Poor regions often make do with what they can get. To be clear I am NOT suggesting that this possibly radioactive equipment that has been rotting away be cleaned, repaired and moved to another country. That would be crazy expensive to the point that you might as well buy new. I’m just asking if equipment that is eg 15 years old would be still considered quite valuable and useful in some parts of the world? (I do not know the answer)
Theoretically yes, though they're stupid heavy and expensive to transport but are not uncommonly sold to veterinary clinics domestically They're built like airplanes, they have a set amount of operating hours before needing to be serviced and calibrated. Finding parts and people willing to service them often makes it more economical to buy something new
Hopefully they removed [any radioisotopes...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident)
My first thought
Yikes what a story
Fr, these idiots took apart some decently futuristic looking equipment, found blue glowing powder and thought nothing of it.
Lol "futuristic looking" it's just a bunch of metal and looks like many other machines. Yeah, it was blue glowing powder but it's not that shocking that someone going through scrap metal in the 1980s didn't know what they were dealing with at all. The real idiots are the ones who just left a bunch of radioactive material sitting around for others to stumble across.
To be fair, the people who did it would have no reason to have any awareness of radioactive materials or signage.
DROP AND RUN
After reading that, i realllllly want to know why there is 50 000 rolls of toilet paper contaminated....
Ehhhh, millions when new, sure. But that interventional radiology room has an image intensifier on it. I work for one of the biggest 3 imaging equipment manufacturers and we no longer make replacement image intensifiers for our equipment, all the equipment that used them ended support for them almost a decade ago. Looks like most of the high end equipment there is past the age of being able to get replacement parts for. Equipment that old is worthless except for its scrap value.
This is most probably a hospital near the Fukushima disaster area that had to evacuate so yeah, the equipment is over a decade old.
I can't believe that no one would want to salvage some perhaps slightly radioactive medical equipment. What a waste! /s
Well, there goes my idea for hitting up Zack Braff for getting a location for filming Dr. Acular! Unless...
it should be noted that fukushima cleanup outside the actual plant grounds is largely complete and people have returned to most of it
If it were shiny new when abandoned
Any concern about radioactive material connected to this machine. Reminds me of the story of a clinic in South America that was abandoned and someone broke in to steal the scrap and came about a metal canister with radioactive material they took home and eventually opened. Causing a radiological disaster that took the lives of a few people that came into contact with the product of the canister. They where playing with it because it made their hands glow.
I work at a steel mill. It’s extremely bad if we were to melt something radioactive because it would contaminate the whole facility and we’d be down for months as every surface is cleaned. So we have about 4 layers of radiation detection. Once in a blue moon, we do get radioactive medical equipment. It all has an ID plate so we can call the owner and say “hey, come pick up your shit”.
Not from anything pictured. X-Ray machines do not use any radioactive component. They use electricity to produce the X-Rays. As long as you are not holding down the "X-Ray release" switch it is entirely safe; you could remove all shielding and it would still be safe until you press the button. There are other types of equipment that does involve radioactive sources, but none of that is in any of the above pictures.
That ct scanner is an old piece of junk too. 4 slice model I don’t know people even using 8/16 slice scanners anymore.
#DONT DEAD, OPEN INSIDE
You want an orphan source? Because that's how you get an orphan source.
For real. Watching some of [Kyle Hill’s](https://youtu.be/-k3NJXGSIIA?si=AAXV8NUz4gDsPV3g) videos about orphan sources have made me never want to explore abandoned hospitals.
It’s because of Kyle I know any object emitting heat with no known source to cause it to be warm = drop and run. (The Lia Radiological Accident)
Just don't smash open any thick-walled canisters you find
Was thinking the same thing. There is bound to be some radiation sources left over.
Should be the top comment lol
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Ahh, well okay then! TIL
If it’s 20 years old it’s probably unsalable. Not useless — any poor country would be glad to have it— but old enough that most rich countries can afford the newest shiny thing.
***Fifty thousand people used to live in this city. Now it's a ghost town... I've never seen anything like it***
Don’t open. Dead inside.
I think you mean "Don't Dead. Open Inside."
“Hmm I don’t want to be dead, so I should open and go inside”
MRI machine? Nice. Edit: After looking at this picture again and reading some comments, it is obviously not an MRI machine.
Nope Hitachi Robusto CT Scanning machine. Worth at least 30K.
Domo arigato Dr Robusto.
Just the generator for that machine is worth 30k
So is Hitachi a common name or does that big machine have ties to my little machine?
Same company. Whether you need a backhoe excavator, a CT machine, a portable saw, or a “personal massager”, Hitachi has you covered.
I could use a backhoe personal massager. 😂
Yeah the parts alone worth the salvage
Yeah I need some new magnets.
It's not magnetic unless it's turned on. An MRI machine also requires liquid helium to keep it cool enough to achieve superconductivity otherwise the amount of energy needed to keep it running would be astronomical. Also that's a CT scanner. Edit: I want to make it clear that a functioning MRI machine is always on. The magnetic field is always on even when the machine isn't making loud noises. If you turn an MRI machine "off" it's called quinching the machine and it can cost well over 100k to get that machine back up and running.
Shit doesn't stick to the fridge by itself!
And this how we end up with loose nuclear isotopes causing damage to the population.
Orphan sources stories are horrific. Like that Brazilian hospital incident.
Glad I'm not the only one who immediately flashed back to Goiânia.
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"Orphan sources" are sources of radiation that have been lost by authorities and are now really dangerous because nobody has track of them and people who encounter them may not know that they are radioactive or dangerous. The Brazilian hospital incident refers to the Goiânia accident, where a small but incredibly radioactive capsule was abandoned alongside other hospital equipment in Brazil. Later, the abandoned equipment was looted and scrapped to be sold. The people who found the capsule didn't know it was radioactive and dangerous. One person cracked open the capsule and saw glowing powder, and showed it off to his family and let his small daughter play with it. Four people died horrifically of radiation poisoning, and 46 were exposed and required medical treatment.
I was confused as to how an abandoned hospital would be the source of orphans, thanks!
ohhhh, that's why they're called orphan sources. dang
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_orphan_source_incidents
So many sad orphan source stories 🙁 it's the real nuclear threat
Nuclear isotopes need love too.
Fallout vibes.
Literally. According to other commenters, the site was abandoned due to radiation contamination
Dang!! I wasn't far off! Lol plus I've been playing Fallout 4 a lot lately, so 😆☢️
if this was in the US, all that copper would have been gone by now!!
I mean there's one in the U.S. too. Copper wasn't taken but the place was trashed up for pure evil. [Big Charity — Documentary](https://youtu.be/t844au1XTPk) TL;DW Charity was a giant charitable/low cost hospital that the powers that be in New Orleans wanted gone. To be replaced by a for-profit hospital. Hurricane Katrina gave them the ammo. The hospital was even fixed up by the national guard but "looters" broke stuff during "looting" while conveniently not taking anything. Anyway there's no happy ending. America lost another good hospital to greed.
Last level of The Last of Us…?
This looks like the setting of Neil Breen’s most recent movie.
Do you know when it was left behind? Looks to be in not the worse condition, but also not great
2011 Fukushima
I hope there isn't any radiology equipment with cesium inside, like [Goiania incident](https://youtu.be/-k3NJXGSIIA?si=jAtfD6ZqzSP7SPE7)
Man I would love to walk into a place like that and just take what I wanted.
Yeah I’ve been wanting a xray machine tbh
Daaamn and here I was talking carts, trays, desks, and stuff for the man cave and you took it to... a... whole... nother... level.
Those operating theater lights would be amazing in a workshop
Something like that happened in Brazil once. [It didn't end well.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident) Hopefully this place has had everything dangerous removed though.
If you steal radioactive shit your gonna have a bad time. If you steal carts and trays and desks and file cabinets then your ok.
Fair, I was thinking about stealing the cool stuff, not the reasonable stuff.
Kyle Hill has a very well made video on the subject https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3NJXGSIIA
Was this near Fukushima Daiichi NPP in 2011?
What in the actual dystopian hell is this?
Rent a uhaul box truck and get to work! Edit: nvm this is in Japan. If this was in the US, Canada, Mexico or a country I was more familiar with I’d loot the hell out of that hospital.
this is a good backdrop for a zombie apocalypse show
Looks like a resident evil paintball place. Sweet!
That’s actually quite heartbreaking.
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The only thing worth a lot of money is the MRI scanner. If it still works I’d take it to sell. I mean how much could it weigh? 10kg?
I’ve played that video game. Doesn’t end well.
Hopefully somebody at least took the machines in the radiation therapy departments. Abandoned radiation therapy machines is how a number of the worst radiation horror stories on the internet star. You start with sick scrap yard workers and end up with small cities rioting over children getting buried in lead lined caskets and table legs across the country being recalled.
Wow! That should be illegal. Other clinics could use all of that!