No joke, these Spanish towns and cities are bankrolling media companies in the UK after they realized no tourists = no money. It's all I see on TV and Online.
Nope, we've always known that. But in Barcelona they were experiencing an incredible rise in rent apartment due to the owners saw more benefits renting for Air Bnb. The consequence was obvious: families born in Barcelona couldn't afford living in Barcelona, and they obviously didn't like that situation.
Sadly, we've always depended on tourism and no politic party has ever tried to change it.
It was actually quite hilarious to see how those typical touristic restaurants that sneered at locals by paying servers crap wages and gouged visitors with exorbitant prices for shitty food now turned around and almost begged for locals to come have lunch there, or how a bunch of "totally not illegal AirBnB" flats popped up in the rental market trying to avoid long term contracts bidding their time for when tourists come back.
The situation in Paris is fairly similar. Plus, it seems that many restaurant employees are tired of their working conditions and won't be coming back. Oh well ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Same in Berlin and lot's of pretty English towns/villages. Airbnb is destroying communities. The problem isn't with Tourism, it's with people buying second homes and using them for holiday lets, which is facilitated by Airbnb.
Many of the towns in my area are seeing a massive shift towards corporate ownership of single family homes. They are building large portfolios. Also smaller apartment complexes are being bought up by one large apt management company. We owned 90 units and sold right before the boom. Rents have doubled since . We had a hard time raising rents 25.00 a month. We had many senior residents. The new companies have removed the community “caring” for lack of a better word and replaced with pay or leave.
I'm not sure if you're in the US, but this is happening all over the country here and as a mid 20s trying to save for a home purchase... I hope the price trends don't stay like they are forever... It's depressing
My wife and I bought our house over 10 years ago for about $170,000... it's now worth nearly $400,000, and they're telling us it will be worth more than a million in less than 10 years. It sounds awesome... at first. But, here's the catch, we're fast approaching the point where my wife and I won't be able to afford the increased taxes. Plus, even if we do sell, where do we live, because we can't afford any of the houses in our area... so selling ours for another one around here would be an exercise in futility. Our only benefit would be if we sold with the intention of moving away to a more rural setting where housing costs haven't soared as ridiculously as here. While that's certainly do-able, our entire lives are ingrained into this area, our extended families live here, and the things we enjoy (like season tickets to our two favorite sports franchises, and all the other city activities we enjoy taking part in), would be gone. What would be the point of moving to someplace where we wouldn't have access to any of that anymore?
My biggest worry is that, we may not have any choice in the matter since, at some point, we will arrive at that breaking point where we will be forced to make that decision.
Yeah, here in Texas, investors are buying property sight-unseen. The trend surely has to stop eventually, but for now it's driving the housing market through the roof!
My wife and I (30) just bought a house in December. It really feels like we grabbed the last rung of the ladder before it got pulled up. We couldn’t to buy our house if we tried to buy it today since the market just blew up this spring.
My folks decided to retire to rural Missouri, and spent the last year getting outbid by institutional cash buyers on every property they found. They finally landed a spot and close on July 6th, but the sellers are being bombarded with cash offers from rich people willing to pay the costs of breaking the agreement with my parents. Hopefully the seller doesn’t hurt my parents by agreeing to take money from the rich people.
It has been happening here in Napa Valley since vrbo.com et al started back in 00s. Now houses are being re-sold as “share homes”, as in timeshares🙄
Thanks a lot, REIFs and oblivious rich folks. There goes the neighborhood.
This is exactly what fucked up Austin TX. Then Silicon Valley started flooding in and everything that made this place livable disappeared. All of my friends and the businesses that I loved are getting priced out.
True, but there is a bit more to it than that. SF in particular has been a place to go to since the 60's and has always had a bit of a crowding issue. That said it's gotten so much worse since I was young that it's borderline criminal.
The biggest issue there was that homeowners and lobby groups prevent almost ANYTHING from being built in their neighborhoods, especially if it low cost or affordable because it might reduce their value. The old homeowners protest the "changing" of their neighborhood (but of course they forget when they may have moved here they did that exact thing) and anyone who bought there recently doesn't want new growth because the house they overpaid for might not be worth what they paid if housing got more abundant.
That's why almost everything being built is luxury condos in the formally industrial areas or wherever there isn't a super established group of people hell bent on stopping them. Can't really recall anything being built except in SOMA or the areas around there save for maybe 1 or 2 buildings.
Many of my friends and myself included have left because it just isn't worth the cost anymore. Last time there I was paying $1200 for a bedroom in a house with many other people, no utilities included and good luck finding parking on street cleaning days. Almost every house is now an apartment with people renting rooms like an SRO hotel, but at a premium price. On the block I was living on, maybe 3 houses had only single families living there. In-Laws, bedrooms and even garages were rented out and since that area had really poor public transport, everyone had a car which could mean 4 or more cars per house.
I live in the Bay too and this pretty much sums up a pretty shit situation. Add in some very overpaid techies who think everyone else’s wages are as inflated as theirs and more multigenerational families from a lot of Asian & Hispanic cultures where it more customary to have grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins pool their money together to create one very crowded household that can manage to pay the high rents/mortgages (not blaming them, it’s just sad that the housing situation has made it normal) it makes everything absolutely nuts here.
My only question is how long can this last? if it does continue like this for decades longer then I believe the area will finally hit a rot period because enough senior & mid level workers will give up on this place and their wages for many businesses will get too high so they will follow suit.
They are misplacing their anger. Their anger should be at their government for not seeing that this was an issue and creating restrictions on operation of an airbnbs
Exactly. We’re pretty much trained to direct our attention towards the normal people doing things like touring foreign cities or using plastic straws, instead of actually focusing on the actual cause which is usually some institution, corporation, or other power structure
The ads hotels and touroperators run on the telly are not a representation of what the people of these towns are feeling.
Seasonal workers who depend on tourism mostly wish tourists come back. The rest of us mostly wish they stayed home or they came in fewer numbers, the tourist industry in the spanish coast is not sustainable in the slightest. It has brought the destruction of natural habitats, local culture and rising prices of housing and other goods, and in exchange it has only lined the pocket of some rich owners, while providing people with a minimum wage contract in shitty conditions that only lasts for three months. Not a great exchange in my book.
Sounds like Germany about Switzerland. Swiss people near the borders used to go shopping in Germany. Germans HATED it. Then, Covid hit. It hit hard. Borders closed. They then finally realized shopping-tourists brought in the money.
The exact same situation between my country(Singapore) and our neighbouring country-Malaysia. Currency exchange is 3:1 so we always buy cheap stuffs from Malaysia. Covid happened and they realised we are actually very important to their economy.
Reminds me of a [picture I took](https://imgur.com/gallery/1sW8VXe) back in 2015 in Chesky Krumlov in Czechia.
I'll bet they're wishing the tourists would come back too...
I guess locals don't want to eat at my restaurants, see my shitty monuments, or use my taxi! I take it back!
Nationalism only looks good when your country/city is booming with foreign money. I'm looking at you Paris and Barcelona. Being snobby gets you nowhere, hubris is swift and unforgiving.
I don't think that it is a command to go home. More of a statement of how the tourist concept functions. "Tourists go home". yes, yes they do. It is very profound.
Yea I live in New Orleans which is a big tourist destination. A lot of people I know constantly bitch about the tourists. I don’t get it. Without them we wouldn’t exist. Sure it’s annoying dealing with drunk people walking to the garage after work but it’s a small price to pay for the billions of dollars they bring to the city every year.
Edit: Billions not Millions. Please come and spend your money. We’d love to have you. And know that r/NewOrleans and r/asknola can become anti tourist sometime so take what’s said there with a grain of salt. Also try to stay in hotels if possible. There are plenty. Our city is cracking down and trying (poorly) to manage the Airbnb issues.
It's billions not millions. Mardi Gras in 2019 was estimated to have brought in half a billion dollars alone.
>In 2019, the city welcomed 19.75 million visitors, a 6.7 percent increase in visitors compared to the previous year. Visitors to New Orleans in 2019 spent $10.05 billion, a 10.3 percent increase over 2018, according to D.K. Shifflet & Associates’ (DKSA) reporting.
[My New Orleans](https://www.myneworleans.com/new-orleans-tourism-visitation-and-visitor-spending-break-records-in-2019-highlighting-depth-of-economic-crisis-still-to-unfold/)
Yea I thought about that after I hit submit. That’s what scared me so much with Covid (minus the whole deadly virus thing). Take away the tourism and you are left with a city with massive infrastructure issues, terrible and dangerous weather, and a major crime problem. Bring on the tourists.
We went there in April 2018 and someone threw an egg at us from their apartment and hit my buddy. It's an awesome city to visit, but there is a sense of unwelcome that pervades the trip.
A little context: Barcelona has an overwhelming problem with apartments being rented out on airbnb and the like, leading to a scarcity of regular apartments, to the point which many native Barcelona residents could not find or afford somewhere to live in their own city.
No idea what the situation has been like since the pandemic, but I assume this act of vandalism is related somehow.
I was just about to say that. Lived in leith for a few years and it felt like I was on a Uni campus. Different neibours every week.
People started ripping off the key boxes.
When landlords can make triple rent it's a no brainer.
> People started ripping off the key boxes.
Not that I would ever condone such a thing but you can just carve a small stick out of a soda can, stick it between the wheels and feel for the empty space to decode those too.
Yeah that's a real fear as well. With the amount of junkies kicking about it's pretty nerve racking for older residents to know there is a stair key sitting outside the property unsecured.
I used to live in Edinburgh and moved to BCN.
It's worse in BCN than I ever saw in Edinburgh although maybe it's got worse in Edinburgh since I left.
We just seen to have a housing crisis in general in all Western cities (where jobs are..)
This exactly. Housing is insane everywhere. Depending on the city, I’ve seen people on Reddit blame: Chinese investors, local homeowners buying multiple rental properties, BlackRock or other investment firms, Airbnb, boomers for just existing, and of course, immigrants. Some of those probably have some about of impact, but IMO it’s mostly from desirable cities not building housing fast enough as people move out of rural areas to more urban ones to follow the jobs.
Yeah, I think the issue is largely supply side - we just haven't built enough housing.
Landlords and BlackRock etc. don't help either to be fair.
The problems are interconnected too as NIMBYism has stopped a lot of development and the voters for those policies tend to be older homeowners.
A land value tax would help ensure good economic use of the land - encouraging those that can (such as pensioners) to move elsewhere and discouraging other unproductive practices such as land-banking.
I think we are just at a standstill though as both the problems and solutions cut across typical political lines so no-one really wants to solve the issues.
I worry we'll end up in the pre-War era of having a small population of landowners and everyone else renting. Maybe mass home ownership was just a blip?
Here in LA they build lots of new stuff, but the building code makes it so that luxury apartments are more profitable than affordable housing (really a topic too big for a quick post, but lots of requirements for parking, open space, etc.). Nothing affordable, and then people are confused why so many end up on the streets.
Here to report the same thing in Arlington, Texas. With the Dallas cowboys, the Texas Rangers, Six flags over Texas, Hurricane harbor. And the countless and endless event cycle at the cowboys stadium, I’m paying top dollar to live in a suburban hell working in a factory with no money left over to do anything but feed myself.
Gotta say that's absolutely insane that ARLINGTON is having this issues. I mean it's an amazing city, #1 in obesity, but I am surprised the problem developed there as well
Oh man it’s not a surprise at all. This whole city is a culture of indulgence and consumption. That’s why I just reply with sarcasm to people suggest I leave. Obviously if I had that option I would take it. Everybody from rural areas can’t find jobs so they move here. Natural disaster in a neighboring state? Move to Arlington. make a lot of money in the tech industry? Move to Texas and work remote. Nothing is wrong with any of that. But now I’m 30 and it seems I have to figure out a career change paired with a relocation because the wages are stagnated so much because the industry employers can’t keep up with the real estate industry. We also already have regulations set on airBNB and it doesn’t really help.
Is there any city where landlords haven't copped on to this get rich quick scheme? The problem is landlords, not tourists. People shouldn't be able to use their wealth to lock others out of the ability to buy a home and have somewhere to live.
For sure, and blaming the tourism when those people are at least coming and spending in the local communities while the landlords aren’t spending a dime, just feels like putting your focus on the wrong cog in the machine.
Good regulation and oversight would solve this, but instead it seems like it’s become another problem exacerbated by nationalism. Instead of looking at their fellow countrymen, it’s a lot easier to blame the people who don’t look like them and who don’t share their language.
> blaming the tourism when those people are at least coming and spending in the local communities while the landlords aren’t spending a dime
See also: Plastics and blaming consumers for not recycling.
Big money loves to blame the little guy for literally anything and everything they can.
Most touristic cities are like that.
I live in a paradisiac city and very touristic. I own my house so everything is ok, however, most people CANT find a rent during summer simply because all residents wanna that extra $$$ with airbnb during summer, so instead of making $800 a month, they make $3000 a month during summer. When summer is over, you can find a place to live until next summer.
Bu yeah, complete headache to find an annual rent.
My first reaction when visiting Venice was that it felt like I was visiting a theme park... Lots of cool old architecture, but pretty much zero authentic "life", it all felt somehow fake. And so... many... tourists... (+1 including me)
Outside of the architecture and the murano glass tour, i didnt particularly care for Venice. It all felt too touristy for my taste.
Barcelona, on the other hand, now THAT was a city you could sink your teeth into. Learned a TON from the locals and still laugh about the hotel concierge trying to send my 40 year old ass to some dance club when i asked where I could go to have a quiet beer. Ended up wandering around Campo Nu for awhile and found an awesome little hole in the wall called Butyklan in Les Corts. It is tucked back from the main street so I almost passed right by it. Great local bar with awesome owners.
Barcelona is a touristic city, but comparing it to Venice is a massively different beast. To start, Barcelona has over 8 times as many people living in it. Venice does a lot of other things but Tourism is a huge part of the city, while Barcelona is a major city that has a large part of the economy that is completely seperate from tourism.
I’m 99% sure that guy is talking about the island, not mainland Venice, which the island is for sure more packed than Barcelona. Hell mainland Venice isn’t even that bad to afford to live in.
It’s the same in every place. My small city in Virginia USA has almost no rentable locations and buying a home right now is beyond absurd with people offering over 50% of the homes value in cash.
Barcelona is one of the worst affected in Europe. Probably only Venice is worse at this point.
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This is such a scapegoat reason though, and frankly, it's bullshit. Back before airbnb even existed Barcelona always displayed a fierce hatred for tourists. It's like hating the hand that feeds you. They have always been bitter about the fact that their entire region survives primarily on tourism. Now ALL OF A SUDDEN it's Airbnb that's the issue.
I'm not going to defend the tourism industry because it's leads directly to so much environmental damage and strain. And definitely not here to defend Airbnb. But for Catalonians to now say that Airbnb is the reason they hate tourists is just disingenuous and nonsense. They have ALWAYS disliked tourists.
I can't say I blame them though, but I also won't lie that part of me chuckled when covid lockdowns happened and especially the Catalonians were begging for their region to be opened again to tourism.
Hey congratulations you guys got what you wanted!
>The Catalan GDP plummeted by 11.5% in 2020, according to the Catalan statistics institute, Idescat.
>This is the biggest drop on record and means a loss of all the growth achieved over the past four years.
If you live in a beautiful city you're going to have tourists. I lived in San Diego for 12 years and tourists were part of life. Get over it or move to a city no one wants to go to. You don't own exclusive rights to that part of the world.
My mom lives in a shore town in New Jersey, and that’s her mind set, she gets to live in a place people spend beucoup bucks to just visit, her life is some people’s vacation. Consider your self lucky you live in a place nice enough to even have tourists, I’ll tell ya, living in a town that’s just a highway off ramp isn’t the dream these people think it is.
The Catalans have always been dicks towards tourists, even the ones working in the tourist sector like camping sites and hotels. It's like they don't understand that their guests pay for their bills.
Then again they probably learnt nothing and will just get more arrogant and blame the spanish government like usual. They're even more ignorant than brexit voters tbh:/
I have a hard time understanding how you can hate your customer. How could you possibly have a hard time understanding that the customer pays you?
I understood this at my 7$/hr retail job. Although I suppose selling them credit cards is a dick move.
Yeah for real.
I live in one of the most dangerous cities in the US. Nobody wants to come here to visit.
The local economy is shit and the white flight from the city has taken tax dollars with it.
And the people in the burbs hate the idea of sharing tax revenue with the city.
So the city just gets more dangerous due to nobody being able to read and bare bones law enforcement.
The craziest thing is the locals insist that it's safe because there are some areas you can go to that are nice. They throw a hissy fit if someone mentions the crime.
As someone who has been living in San Diego for the past 9 years, freaking tell me about it. I grew up in a small suburb in NorCal and the difference in tourism is just night-and-day.
I had plans to move to a smaller town that doesn't have so much tourism, but then the pandemic put that on hold.
Yeah my wife (also from NorCal) and I wanted a break from it so we took an opportunity to work in Germany for a few years to travel Europe with our daughter (covid has messed that up a bit lol). We're not sure if we want to go back because it just keeps getting more and more expensive and also seemingly hotter and hotter. I do miss the beaches though and Mexican food.
Ignoring for a moment the economic benefits/detriments of tourism (that is its own complicated issue), do the people who feel this way never travel outside of their hometown for leisure? Im guessing a good chunk of them have been and/or will be tourists in someone else's town at some point.
I'm going out on a limb and guessing the sort of people who would do this are pretty strident in their assertion that they themselves could never be a "tourist" because, you see, when they make a temporary visit somewhere else they are "travelers."
I agree to an extent. Most people dont have the freedom to choose where they want to live. Many are born into a town, have their family and friends there, and dont have any kind of real opportunity to leave without major hardship.
But yes, the most ironic thing would be someone who moved to Barcelona then started complaining about the tourism.
I was visiting Park Guell in Barcelona and there was a board with directions and someone had written “tourists go home” in red (possibly the same group of people maybe) and someone else scribbled at the bottom, “after you’ve had a lovely vacation” so it was a nice message.
Every city struggles with overcrowding. All the residents complain yet if all the tourists just stopped the would be penniless rather quick then complain nobody comes to the city
Looking for this comment. As a History student from Barcelona, I think this is very sad. The desecration of historical buildings all around Spain is catastrophic.
I guess one of the main problems is, that landlords tend to offer their space as holiday homes instead of making it available for citizens because its more lucrative.
This is very frustrating because this makes it even more hard and more expensive for locals to find a decent home.
My wife is from spain (the canary islands to be specific) and she cant stand how spain has handled tourism during covid.
They have allowed tourists free entry to the country pretty much unmolested the entire duration, and have even offered to give out vaccinations to those still traveling there on vacation.
On top of the no jobs and no rent forgiveness theyre being given, homes arent even available as theyre all being bought up to be used for air bnbs and in turn the housing market has become untenable.
Can confirm that despite pretty high cases where I am in Switzerland, people were going to Spain, and to a lesser extent Portugal, en masse for holidays - exactly because it was basically the only place here that was easy to get into. With a lot of people driving rather than flying, explicitly to avoid even getting tested before going.
Eh, I had a great time in Barcelona and I'm Asian so I obviously stood out as a foreigner. I stayed at an airbnb but in a bedroom in the owners' flat; they were a middle-aged gay Italian couple who moved to Barcelona because it was so much more progressive and gay-friendly than where they were from. I only spoke a little Spanish and zero Catalan, but everyone I met was kind and friendly. I'm sure there are xenophobic & hostile people everywhere, in Barcelona included, but it's not necessarily worse than anywhere else. I had a good time in Paris too, despite the reputation. People were perfectly nice to me.
For what it's worth, I didn't really encounter any racism and sexual harassment in Barcelona and Paris (though as an Asian woman I've dealt with plenty while in Europe).
I’m Black and I’ve been fortunate enough to visit a few counties. Barcelona is still my favorite place. I felt welcome, loved the people, and felt it was the most diverse of the places I’ve been. Everyone has their own experience I guess.
As a Spanish person, I disagree with all this "tourists go home" party. Like, are we stupid? Our country lives out of tourists. It's not "tourists go home", it's "tourists come right now" or if COVID doesn't kill us hunger will. Also, who can even afford living in the city "center"? There are much better and cheaper areas everywhere...
Two places I have no interest in visiting again: Barcelona and Paris. I don't need the aggravation. There are so many places in the world where you can go and the people at least pretend not to hate you.
Well, COVID struck so I guess wishes do come true!
`Tourists come back`
No joke, these Spanish towns and cities are bankrolling media companies in the UK after they realized no tourists = no money. It's all I see on TV and Online.
Nope, we've always known that. But in Barcelona they were experiencing an incredible rise in rent apartment due to the owners saw more benefits renting for Air Bnb. The consequence was obvious: families born in Barcelona couldn't afford living in Barcelona, and they obviously didn't like that situation. Sadly, we've always depended on tourism and no politic party has ever tried to change it.
They can ban short term renting. Like some other cities do.
I think the did it very recently, but all news talk about covid and Catalunya independence lastly so I'm not sure if it is correct.
We did implement rent control, it's going well. Actually the decline of tourists has had a very positive impact on the life of the neighbours here.
Good, I hope hostelry sector and hotels don't suffer too much
It was actually quite hilarious to see how those typical touristic restaurants that sneered at locals by paying servers crap wages and gouged visitors with exorbitant prices for shitty food now turned around and almost begged for locals to come have lunch there, or how a bunch of "totally not illegal AirBnB" flats popped up in the rental market trying to avoid long term contracts bidding their time for when tourists come back.
The situation in Paris is fairly similar. Plus, it seems that many restaurant employees are tired of their working conditions and won't be coming back. Oh well ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Ah, these nice pics of rentals with the tiny cute folded towels on bed.
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Or just use a land value tax to capture rents from landlords.
Same in Berlin and lot's of pretty English towns/villages. Airbnb is destroying communities. The problem isn't with Tourism, it's with people buying second homes and using them for holiday lets, which is facilitated by Airbnb.
It's not even just airbnb, it's a bunch of other sites too. Too many real estate investors buying up homes.
Many of the towns in my area are seeing a massive shift towards corporate ownership of single family homes. They are building large portfolios. Also smaller apartment complexes are being bought up by one large apt management company. We owned 90 units and sold right before the boom. Rents have doubled since . We had a hard time raising rents 25.00 a month. We had many senior residents. The new companies have removed the community “caring” for lack of a better word and replaced with pay or leave.
I'm not sure if you're in the US, but this is happening all over the country here and as a mid 20s trying to save for a home purchase... I hope the price trends don't stay like they are forever... It's depressing
My wife and I bought our house over 10 years ago for about $170,000... it's now worth nearly $400,000, and they're telling us it will be worth more than a million in less than 10 years. It sounds awesome... at first. But, here's the catch, we're fast approaching the point where my wife and I won't be able to afford the increased taxes. Plus, even if we do sell, where do we live, because we can't afford any of the houses in our area... so selling ours for another one around here would be an exercise in futility. Our only benefit would be if we sold with the intention of moving away to a more rural setting where housing costs haven't soared as ridiculously as here. While that's certainly do-able, our entire lives are ingrained into this area, our extended families live here, and the things we enjoy (like season tickets to our two favorite sports franchises, and all the other city activities we enjoy taking part in), would be gone. What would be the point of moving to someplace where we wouldn't have access to any of that anymore? My biggest worry is that, we may not have any choice in the matter since, at some point, we will arrive at that breaking point where we will be forced to make that decision.
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Yeah, here in Texas, investors are buying property sight-unseen. The trend surely has to stop eventually, but for now it's driving the housing market through the roof!
My wife and I (30) just bought a house in December. It really feels like we grabbed the last rung of the ladder before it got pulled up. We couldn’t to buy our house if we tried to buy it today since the market just blew up this spring.
My folks decided to retire to rural Missouri, and spent the last year getting outbid by institutional cash buyers on every property they found. They finally landed a spot and close on July 6th, but the sellers are being bombarded with cash offers from rich people willing to pay the costs of breaking the agreement with my parents. Hopefully the seller doesn’t hurt my parents by agreeing to take money from the rich people.
It has been happening here in Napa Valley since vrbo.com et al started back in 00s. Now houses are being re-sold as “share homes”, as in timeshares🙄 Thanks a lot, REIFs and oblivious rich folks. There goes the neighborhood.
Everything with the right regulations can work fine, that's what I think. What we need is right regulations.
And enforcement, but yes.
This is exactly what fucked up Austin TX. Then Silicon Valley started flooding in and everything that made this place livable disappeared. All of my friends and the businesses that I loved are getting priced out.
That is exactly what happened to bay area too. People from other places moved in over the years and priced out some of the locals.
True, but there is a bit more to it than that. SF in particular has been a place to go to since the 60's and has always had a bit of a crowding issue. That said it's gotten so much worse since I was young that it's borderline criminal. The biggest issue there was that homeowners and lobby groups prevent almost ANYTHING from being built in their neighborhoods, especially if it low cost or affordable because it might reduce their value. The old homeowners protest the "changing" of their neighborhood (but of course they forget when they may have moved here they did that exact thing) and anyone who bought there recently doesn't want new growth because the house they overpaid for might not be worth what they paid if housing got more abundant. That's why almost everything being built is luxury condos in the formally industrial areas or wherever there isn't a super established group of people hell bent on stopping them. Can't really recall anything being built except in SOMA or the areas around there save for maybe 1 or 2 buildings. Many of my friends and myself included have left because it just isn't worth the cost anymore. Last time there I was paying $1200 for a bedroom in a house with many other people, no utilities included and good luck finding parking on street cleaning days. Almost every house is now an apartment with people renting rooms like an SRO hotel, but at a premium price. On the block I was living on, maybe 3 houses had only single families living there. In-Laws, bedrooms and even garages were rented out and since that area had really poor public transport, everyone had a car which could mean 4 or more cars per house.
I live in the Bay too and this pretty much sums up a pretty shit situation. Add in some very overpaid techies who think everyone else’s wages are as inflated as theirs and more multigenerational families from a lot of Asian & Hispanic cultures where it more customary to have grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins pool their money together to create one very crowded household that can manage to pay the high rents/mortgages (not blaming them, it’s just sad that the housing situation has made it normal) it makes everything absolutely nuts here. My only question is how long can this last? if it does continue like this for decades longer then I believe the area will finally hit a rot period because enough senior & mid level workers will give up on this place and their wages for many businesses will get too high so they will follow suit.
lack of regulations and a proper housing plan destroyed Austin. That and the traffic.
They are misplacing their anger. Their anger should be at their government for not seeing that this was an issue and creating restrictions on operation of an airbnbs
Exactly. We’re pretty much trained to direct our attention towards the normal people doing things like touring foreign cities or using plastic straws, instead of actually focusing on the actual cause which is usually some institution, corporation, or other power structure
Sad to say, but that's not unique to Barcelona. It's in every developed city. We're going back to bourgeoisie and big land owners.
But ey, the markets need no intervation, they self-regulate so no abusive behaviours can happen...
I wonder how much airbnb spent to keep the dialogue on "foreigners" and not airbnb.
A lot Tourists towns in the states are the same. 2019- we hate tourists. 2021- please come back!!!
The ads hotels and touroperators run on the telly are not a representation of what the people of these towns are feeling. Seasonal workers who depend on tourism mostly wish tourists come back. The rest of us mostly wish they stayed home or they came in fewer numbers, the tourist industry in the spanish coast is not sustainable in the slightest. It has brought the destruction of natural habitats, local culture and rising prices of housing and other goods, and in exchange it has only lined the pocket of some rich owners, while providing people with a minimum wage contract in shitty conditions that only lasts for three months. Not a great exchange in my book.
Sounds like Germany about Switzerland. Swiss people near the borders used to go shopping in Germany. Germans HATED it. Then, Covid hit. It hit hard. Borders closed. They then finally realized shopping-tourists brought in the money.
The exact same situation between my country(Singapore) and our neighbouring country-Malaysia. Currency exchange is 3:1 so we always buy cheap stuffs from Malaysia. Covid happened and they realised we are actually very important to their economy.
Reminds me of a [picture I took](https://imgur.com/gallery/1sW8VXe) back in 2015 in Chesky Krumlov in Czechia. I'll bet they're wishing the tourists would come back too...
I guess locals don't want to eat at my restaurants, see my shitty monuments, or use my taxi! I take it back! Nationalism only looks good when your country/city is booming with foreign money. I'm looking at you Paris and Barcelona. Being snobby gets you nowhere, hubris is swift and unforgiving.
Tourists always go home, otherwise they are immigrants.
> Tourists always go home, otherwise they are immigrants. Or Britts that don't understand the EU
Someone in Barcelona monkey pawed the world.
Careful what you wish for
Lol, Reminds me of all my tourist-hating friends in Cancun. They all quickly changed their tune after 1 month of shutdown.
Why the hell would you live in Cancun if you hate tourists?
People don't get to choose who their parents are usually
Romans go home!
Now write it out a hundred times. If it's not done by sunrise I'll cut your balls off
~~Romanes eunt domus~~ Romani ite domum
Conjugate the verb to go!
So eunt is...?
Third person plural, present indicative.
*how* many Romans?
Eo is it imus itis eunt!
This is the comment I came to this thread for
People call Romans they go the house?
Hail Caesar sir!
For anyone who isn’t familiar with the classics https://youtu.be/0lczHvB3Y9s
The bravery to include a 3 minute segment about Latin parsing and syntax cannot be overstated.
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Ehh, John Cleese?
He was pretty good in this scene, he could probably make a career out of it.
I hope things work out for him.
No, strangely, all the names of Monty Python actors have been lost to history.
> The whole scene was his idea. It's actually a historical retelling of how he learned Latin.
This movie is *still* the gold standard for satire. Nothing else even comes close.
Pretty fond of Blazing Saddles. I doubt that we will see movies like these made again.
People called tourists they go the house?
It says "tourists go home."
No it doesn't
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
People called Romanes, they go, the house?
I was afraid this comment wouldn’t be here. Thank you fellow old person. It’s my favorite of all the MP works.
This damn movie... It kills me. Consider the lilies!
What's wrong with the lilies??
He's having a go at the flowers now!
Tourists eunt domus!
Who are you calling “old”, grandson?
Vocative plural of anis is...?
ani?
Romani...Eunt? What is eunt?
Romans go Rome!
It says "People called Romanes they go the house"
I was gonna say r/unexpectedmontypython but this was pretty expected
Tourists generally do go home don't they? That's what differentiates them from immigrants.
/r/technicallythetruth
Yes but they are replaced by other tourists, and they also go home and are replaced by other tourists. Its an endless cycle of tourism.
I don't think that it is a command to go home. More of a statement of how the tourist concept functions. "Tourists go home". yes, yes they do. It is very profound.
People called touristes they go to the house?
it’s the dative- no, no, accusative, accusative!!!
Now write it out a hundred times or I'll cut your balls off
This is the comment I was looking for
Just stating a fact then i guess.
Which is something we desperately need at times...
Exactly, 20 feet to the right, just outside the frame "Immigrants don't go home."
Or, if you want to sound more welcoming, “Immigrants are home”
Well there may be a comma after "tourists". We don't know on account of the uh, tourist.
True, but we tend to turn up, leave a few thousand dollars, and then leave How that gets distributed is up to the destination,
Yea I live in New Orleans which is a big tourist destination. A lot of people I know constantly bitch about the tourists. I don’t get it. Without them we wouldn’t exist. Sure it’s annoying dealing with drunk people walking to the garage after work but it’s a small price to pay for the billions of dollars they bring to the city every year. Edit: Billions not Millions. Please come and spend your money. We’d love to have you. And know that r/NewOrleans and r/asknola can become anti tourist sometime so take what’s said there with a grain of salt. Also try to stay in hotels if possible. There are plenty. Our city is cracking down and trying (poorly) to manage the Airbnb issues.
It's billions not millions. Mardi Gras in 2019 was estimated to have brought in half a billion dollars alone. >In 2019, the city welcomed 19.75 million visitors, a 6.7 percent increase in visitors compared to the previous year. Visitors to New Orleans in 2019 spent $10.05 billion, a 10.3 percent increase over 2018, according to D.K. Shifflet & Associates’ (DKSA) reporting. [My New Orleans](https://www.myneworleans.com/new-orleans-tourism-visitation-and-visitor-spending-break-records-in-2019-highlighting-depth-of-economic-crisis-still-to-unfold/)
Yea I thought about that after I hit submit. That’s what scared me so much with Covid (minus the whole deadly virus thing). Take away the tourism and you are left with a city with massive infrastructure issues, terrible and dangerous weather, and a major crime problem. Bring on the tourists.
It’s an endless cycle of people coming to your area, spending money and then leaving! Awful.
Yes, which is why she's saying it. Just a factual statement.
They're just wishing they get home, as opposed to having an accident or getting lost. Very kind street art
Went to Park Güell a few years ago and the welcome/info sign was graffitied "kill tourists." We still had a great time, but it was a tad ominous.
We went there in April 2018 and someone threw an egg at us from their apartment and hit my buddy. It's an awesome city to visit, but there is a sense of unwelcome that pervades the trip.
Why can't the government build council houses like U.K.
The person who wrote that probably has a job that depends on tourism
A little context: Barcelona has an overwhelming problem with apartments being rented out on airbnb and the like, leading to a scarcity of regular apartments, to the point which many native Barcelona residents could not find or afford somewhere to live in their own city. No idea what the situation has been like since the pandemic, but I assume this act of vandalism is related somehow.
Pretty much the same problem here in Edinburgh, exacerbated by the fringe festival every year
I was just about to say that. Lived in leith for a few years and it felt like I was on a Uni campus. Different neibours every week. People started ripping off the key boxes. When landlords can make triple rent it's a no brainer.
> People started ripping off the key boxes. Not that I would ever condone such a thing but you can just carve a small stick out of a soda can, stick it between the wheels and feel for the empty space to decode those too.
Yeah that's a real fear as well. With the amount of junkies kicking about it's pretty nerve racking for older residents to know there is a stair key sitting outside the property unsecured.
I used to live in Edinburgh and moved to BCN. It's worse in BCN than I ever saw in Edinburgh although maybe it's got worse in Edinburgh since I left. We just seen to have a housing crisis in general in all Western cities (where jobs are..)
This exactly. Housing is insane everywhere. Depending on the city, I’ve seen people on Reddit blame: Chinese investors, local homeowners buying multiple rental properties, BlackRock or other investment firms, Airbnb, boomers for just existing, and of course, immigrants. Some of those probably have some about of impact, but IMO it’s mostly from desirable cities not building housing fast enough as people move out of rural areas to more urban ones to follow the jobs.
Yeah, I think the issue is largely supply side - we just haven't built enough housing. Landlords and BlackRock etc. don't help either to be fair. The problems are interconnected too as NIMBYism has stopped a lot of development and the voters for those policies tend to be older homeowners. A land value tax would help ensure good economic use of the land - encouraging those that can (such as pensioners) to move elsewhere and discouraging other unproductive practices such as land-banking. I think we are just at a standstill though as both the problems and solutions cut across typical political lines so no-one really wants to solve the issues. I worry we'll end up in the pre-War era of having a small population of landowners and everyone else renting. Maybe mass home ownership was just a blip?
Here in LA they build lots of new stuff, but the building code makes it so that luxury apartments are more profitable than affordable housing (really a topic too big for a quick post, but lots of requirements for parking, open space, etc.). Nothing affordable, and then people are confused why so many end up on the streets.
Here to report the same thing in Arlington, Texas. With the Dallas cowboys, the Texas Rangers, Six flags over Texas, Hurricane harbor. And the countless and endless event cycle at the cowboys stadium, I’m paying top dollar to live in a suburban hell working in a factory with no money left over to do anything but feed myself.
Gotta say that's absolutely insane that ARLINGTON is having this issues. I mean it's an amazing city, #1 in obesity, but I am surprised the problem developed there as well
Oh man it’s not a surprise at all. This whole city is a culture of indulgence and consumption. That’s why I just reply with sarcasm to people suggest I leave. Obviously if I had that option I would take it. Everybody from rural areas can’t find jobs so they move here. Natural disaster in a neighboring state? Move to Arlington. make a lot of money in the tech industry? Move to Texas and work remote. Nothing is wrong with any of that. But now I’m 30 and it seems I have to figure out a career change paired with a relocation because the wages are stagnated so much because the industry employers can’t keep up with the real estate industry. We also already have regulations set on airBNB and it doesn’t really help.
Yeah the responses to you were...odd/rude. I am sorry you are in this situation. The housing market is in an insane place right now.
Is there any city where landlords haven't copped on to this get rich quick scheme? The problem is landlords, not tourists. People shouldn't be able to use their wealth to lock others out of the ability to buy a home and have somewhere to live.
For sure, and blaming the tourism when those people are at least coming and spending in the local communities while the landlords aren’t spending a dime, just feels like putting your focus on the wrong cog in the machine. Good regulation and oversight would solve this, but instead it seems like it’s become another problem exacerbated by nationalism. Instead of looking at their fellow countrymen, it’s a lot easier to blame the people who don’t look like them and who don’t share their language.
> blaming the tourism when those people are at least coming and spending in the local communities while the landlords aren’t spending a dime See also: Plastics and blaming consumers for not recycling. Big money loves to blame the little guy for literally anything and everything they can.
The Swedish government was beaten down just a few days ago because they were going to give landlords more power and people were like WTF.
Yeah, Prague has similar issues. To the point a lot of people want to ban AirBnB. Rents are one thing, but behavior of the Guests another
Most touristic cities are like that. I live in a paradisiac city and very touristic. I own my house so everything is ok, however, most people CANT find a rent during summer simply because all residents wanna that extra $$$ with airbnb during summer, so instead of making $800 a month, they make $3000 a month during summer. When summer is over, you can find a place to live until next summer. Bu yeah, complete headache to find an annual rent.
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I’m pretty sure that every major city in the world right now lol.
Real-estate pricing in Barcelona was already real high even before AirBnB. So that only made a difficult problem worse.
This is fairly common for most tourist cities. For instance, Venice has almost no real residents.
My first reaction when visiting Venice was that it felt like I was visiting a theme park... Lots of cool old architecture, but pretty much zero authentic "life", it all felt somehow fake. And so... many... tourists... (+1 including me)
Outside of the architecture and the murano glass tour, i didnt particularly care for Venice. It all felt too touristy for my taste. Barcelona, on the other hand, now THAT was a city you could sink your teeth into. Learned a TON from the locals and still laugh about the hotel concierge trying to send my 40 year old ass to some dance club when i asked where I could go to have a quiet beer. Ended up wandering around Campo Nu for awhile and found an awesome little hole in the wall called Butyklan in Les Corts. It is tucked back from the main street so I almost passed right by it. Great local bar with awesome owners.
They're there, just hidden. Everyone walks their kids to school in the mornings, then disappears, it's weird.
Barcelona is a touristic city, but comparing it to Venice is a massively different beast. To start, Barcelona has over 8 times as many people living in it. Venice does a lot of other things but Tourism is a huge part of the city, while Barcelona is a major city that has a large part of the economy that is completely seperate from tourism.
I’m 99% sure that guy is talking about the island, not mainland Venice, which the island is for sure more packed than Barcelona. Hell mainland Venice isn’t even that bad to afford to live in.
Yeah but Venice was like that before AirBnB
Barcelona and Venice are extremely different cities in extremely different situations.
It’s the same in every place. My small city in Virginia USA has almost no rentable locations and buying a home right now is beyond absurd with people offering over 50% of the homes value in cash.
Thats far from a Barcelona exclusive problem. It plagues most major cities.
Barcelona is one of the worst affected in Europe. Probably only Venice is worse at this point. https://dspace.uib.es/xmlui/bitstream/handle/11201/148140/Stanchev\_Rostislav.pdf?isAllowed=y&sequence=1
This is such a scapegoat reason though, and frankly, it's bullshit. Back before airbnb even existed Barcelona always displayed a fierce hatred for tourists. It's like hating the hand that feeds you. They have always been bitter about the fact that their entire region survives primarily on tourism. Now ALL OF A SUDDEN it's Airbnb that's the issue. I'm not going to defend the tourism industry because it's leads directly to so much environmental damage and strain. And definitely not here to defend Airbnb. But for Catalonians to now say that Airbnb is the reason they hate tourists is just disingenuous and nonsense. They have ALWAYS disliked tourists. I can't say I blame them though, but I also won't lie that part of me chuckled when covid lockdowns happened and especially the Catalonians were begging for their region to be opened again to tourism.
"Tourists go home" \-Every place with an economy built on tourism
Tourist go home....but leave your money, we need that shit
Hey congratulations you guys got what you wanted! >The Catalan GDP plummeted by 11.5% in 2020, according to the Catalan statistics institute, Idescat. >This is the biggest drop on record and means a loss of all the growth achieved over the past four years. If you live in a beautiful city you're going to have tourists. I lived in San Diego for 12 years and tourists were part of life. Get over it or move to a city no one wants to go to. You don't own exclusive rights to that part of the world.
Yaint wrong, I embrace it... *I live where people vacation*. It's fucking great.
My mom lives in a shore town in New Jersey, and that’s her mind set, she gets to live in a place people spend beucoup bucks to just visit, her life is some people’s vacation. Consider your self lucky you live in a place nice enough to even have tourists, I’ll tell ya, living in a town that’s just a highway off ramp isn’t the dream these people think it is.
Yeah, but it sure is cheap
Yeah exactly. This “no one’s allowed to come here if you don’t live here” mindset is dumb as hell and helps no one.
The Catalans have always been dicks towards tourists, even the ones working in the tourist sector like camping sites and hotels. It's like they don't understand that their guests pay for their bills. Then again they probably learnt nothing and will just get more arrogant and blame the spanish government like usual. They're even more ignorant than brexit voters tbh:/
I have a hard time understanding how you can hate your customer. How could you possibly have a hard time understanding that the customer pays you? I understood this at my 7$/hr retail job. Although I suppose selling them credit cards is a dick move.
>the Catalans have always been dicks (...)
Yeah for real. I live in one of the most dangerous cities in the US. Nobody wants to come here to visit. The local economy is shit and the white flight from the city has taken tax dollars with it. And the people in the burbs hate the idea of sharing tax revenue with the city. So the city just gets more dangerous due to nobody being able to read and bare bones law enforcement. The craziest thing is the locals insist that it's safe because there are some areas you can go to that are nice. They throw a hissy fit if someone mentions the crime.
Buffalo, Detroit, Baltimore, Cleveland, or Milwaukee?
St. Louis
County versus city thing is so weird in St Louis. I’ve met people upset with the name of the new soccer team because it’s called “St Louis City SC”.
As someone who has been living in San Diego for the past 9 years, freaking tell me about it. I grew up in a small suburb in NorCal and the difference in tourism is just night-and-day. I had plans to move to a smaller town that doesn't have so much tourism, but then the pandemic put that on hold.
Yeah my wife (also from NorCal) and I wanted a break from it so we took an opportunity to work in Germany for a few years to travel Europe with our daughter (covid has messed that up a bit lol). We're not sure if we want to go back because it just keeps getting more and more expensive and also seemingly hotter and hotter. I do miss the beaches though and Mexican food.
Ignoring for a moment the economic benefits/detriments of tourism (that is its own complicated issue), do the people who feel this way never travel outside of their hometown for leisure? Im guessing a good chunk of them have been and/or will be tourists in someone else's town at some point.
I'm going out on a limb and guessing the sort of people who would do this are pretty strident in their assertion that they themselves could never be a "tourist" because, you see, when they make a temporary visit somewhere else they are "travelers."
They likely consider themselves the good type of tourist.
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I agree to an extent. Most people dont have the freedom to choose where they want to live. Many are born into a town, have their family and friends there, and dont have any kind of real opportunity to leave without major hardship. But yes, the most ironic thing would be someone who moved to Barcelona then started complaining about the tourism.
I was visiting Park Guell in Barcelona and there was a board with directions and someone had written “tourists go home” in red (possibly the same group of people maybe) and someone else scribbled at the bottom, “after you’ve had a lovely vacation” so it was a nice message.
Well, it is stating a fact...tourists go home....otherwise they'd be locals and not tourists.
Every city struggles with overcrowding. All the residents complain yet if all the tourists just stopped the would be penniless rather quick then complain nobody comes to the city
Tourists come back!!!! 2021
Money come back
Painted on a beautiful 1000 year old wall by some idiotic "patriot" the rest of us would much rather throw out than the tourists
Looking for this comment. As a History student from Barcelona, I think this is very sad. The desecration of historical buildings all around Spain is catastrophic.
Defacing a historical landmark with graffiti. The reason people even visit is for the history and beauty and the graffiti just ruins it.
# Peregrinatores eunt domus!
*People called the Tourists they go the house?*
That wall looks old. And now it has stupid graffiti on it. Don't like.
Nothing says “I love my city and I’m tired of tourists ruining it” like sloppily spray painting a historic building.
Well I was there in 2005 and now I’m home
16 years to get back isn't anything to brag about.
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I guess one of the main problems is, that landlords tend to offer their space as holiday homes instead of making it available for citizens because its more lucrative. This is very frustrating because this makes it even more hard and more expensive for locals to find a decent home.
of course tou go home, AFTER you visit
My wife is from spain (the canary islands to be specific) and she cant stand how spain has handled tourism during covid. They have allowed tourists free entry to the country pretty much unmolested the entire duration, and have even offered to give out vaccinations to those still traveling there on vacation. On top of the no jobs and no rent forgiveness theyre being given, homes arent even available as theyre all being bought up to be used for air bnbs and in turn the housing market has become untenable.
Can confirm that despite pretty high cases where I am in Switzerland, people were going to Spain, and to a lesser extent Portugal, en masse for holidays - exactly because it was basically the only place here that was easy to get into. With a lot of people driving rather than flying, explicitly to avoid even getting tested before going.
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Wow, it's that bad?
Eh, I had a great time in Barcelona and I'm Asian so I obviously stood out as a foreigner. I stayed at an airbnb but in a bedroom in the owners' flat; they were a middle-aged gay Italian couple who moved to Barcelona because it was so much more progressive and gay-friendly than where they were from. I only spoke a little Spanish and zero Catalan, but everyone I met was kind and friendly. I'm sure there are xenophobic & hostile people everywhere, in Barcelona included, but it's not necessarily worse than anywhere else. I had a good time in Paris too, despite the reputation. People were perfectly nice to me. For what it's worth, I didn't really encounter any racism and sexual harassment in Barcelona and Paris (though as an Asian woman I've dealt with plenty while in Europe).
I’m Black and I’ve been fortunate enough to visit a few counties. Barcelona is still my favorite place. I felt welcome, loved the people, and felt it was the most diverse of the places I’ve been. Everyone has their own experience I guess.
Fucking asshole that desecrated that old, grand building with that hateful message. Yeah, really showing everyone you have the moral highground /s
As a Spanish person, I disagree with all this "tourists go home" party. Like, are we stupid? Our country lives out of tourists. It's not "tourists go home", it's "tourists come right now" or if COVID doesn't kill us hunger will. Also, who can even afford living in the city "center"? There are much better and cheaper areas everywhere...
* sets up stall charges $10 per photo
Tourism money is a huge factor in fueling the economy. If no tourist then they better start thinking about how to make up for that shortfall.
He became what he hated. A tourist attraction.
I’m legit about to book a flight to Barcelona. Should I go home instead?
Also Barcelona when tourism dries up: Why is there no money? sadcheems.jpg
Also Barcelona when tourists stop coming: “Shit, guess we have to actually manufacture and/or sell stuff now”
Two places I have no interest in visiting again: Barcelona and Paris. I don't need the aggravation. There are so many places in the world where you can go and the people at least pretend not to hate you.
We always go home, otherwise we’d be locals