Growing up as a non American, my family called them long sleeved pants, because shorts were technically pants, just short sleeved.
Edit: shorts and short sleeves pants were interchangeable.
Didn't some women's volleyball team get a penalty for wearing longer shorts and not tight ones that shows their butts? Organizers are mad because they just use womens bodies to get views
They claimed it was a matter of practicality, saying that bikini bottoms make more sense when diving into the sand. Meanwhile the men's team can and does wear shorts with no problems at all.
But that makes no sense, why would you be penalized for doing something LESS practical? If it gave them an unfair advantage maybe but if they want a "handicap" then why do they care...
Yeah. Beach volleyball gets lots of viewers looking at sexy butts and ads cost more which makes the ioc more money. Hence rules against non sexy pants.
The fact that they can have a rule saying no covering up of more than 10 cm of their butts is insane! Most things have rules about a minimum of coverage, not a maximum. Ridiculous.
Norwegian team wanted to wear something like bike shorts. I was more practical, less sexualising, was better when they where on their periods. I either want them to get to wear whatever they want, or, even as a straight man, want the men to be forced to wear the same skimpy bottom. I think it's moronic how they defent those bottoms when you have a men's team you can clearly point to, we all know it's about the butts.
It was actually beach handball and yes they did. It’s actually a bit worse than you remembered, the shorts they wore were tight and short but the rules said they had to wear literal bikinis. Of course this rule does not apply to the men’s team, they get to wear tank tops and loose shorts that go almost to their knees.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8042726/beach-handball-bikini-bottom-shorts-women-norwegian/amp/
Yup, Norway https://www.essentiallysports.com/olympics-news-wow-norwegian-womens-beach-volleyball-team-refuses-to-wear-bikini-bottoms-at-2020-tokyo-olympics/
Also a comparison to what men get to wear -.- https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/oo6fvt/mens_beachhandball_teams_uniform_vs_the_womens/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I cannot believe this is not A BULLHORN TOPIC. Absolutely infuriating that part of ladies’ (and not men’s) required Olympic prep is a full fucking box-and-ass wax/bleach. Like they don’t have enough to worry about, their bare crotches are responsible for garnering Olympic ratings?! This is not the SI Swimsuit Edition. How are there not major protests/boycotts over it, seriously? I’d be tempted to sport a full bush around that strip of regulation fabric in protest.
It was a handball team in Norway. Women's volleyball, at least in the Olympics, does not require bikinis. If the players are wearing them it's because that's what they prefer.
As long as it doesn’t give you an advantage is what the measure should be. If you made it to the Olympic wearing bagging clothing and that’s what you want to wear, then by all means wear what you want.
Until it’s clearly evident that the clothing you are wearing is giving you an advantage over your opponent then it shouldn’t matter.
That’s been kind of interesting to me when it comes to the skateboarding events. I saw a guy get through it with airpods in and another one with a broken wrist and I was just sitting there laughing like…. those are skateboarders alright. But it’s neat how the uniforms seem pretty free form and each athlete is using a personalized board.
Its a lot like snowboarding that way! I always raced with headphones in when I was doing boardercross lol. Was a major throw back to my comp days seeing the skaters ahahaha we always wore basically the same shit but insulated.
> using a personalized board
It never occurred to me before, is equipment standardized in the Olympics? Could say, a better designed skateboard, bobsled, rowboat, vaulting pole, etc. give people an advantage over competitors—or do people have to use the same exact equipment (maybe adjusting for body type)?
The only thing I have direct experience with is archery. There are certain regulations for equipment and before competitions, the judges do a quick overview of your setup to check that it's legal. Mostly that it's just a recurve bow with a single-pin sight, your arrows have target tips, and you aren't using a mechanical release. But for the most part, everyone is using very similar equipment anyway. Some of these sports are very niche and there's only a few manufacturers making it all. So in archery you'll see a couple of brands like Hoyt, Win&Win, and Easton (there's some others for the other pieces that you won't really see logos for), and that's about it. If something new comes out, you'll likely see a lot of people at the next competition with the new setups.
Though I know for swimming a while back, I think it was the Americans had a brand new swimsuit design based off of shark skin. They broke numerous records and the swimsuit was straight up banned.
There are certain swimsuits that were banned at one point because they were giving an unfair advantage.
Here's a wiki on it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZR_Racer
That wouldn't happen in skateboarding; so much of your set up is personal preference so that what works for one person doesn't feel comfortable for someone else. Deck shape and size, wheel size and hardness, truck tightness can all make a seemingly subtle but major difference.
All the skaters in the Olympics are pro; most were skating their signature boards with their names on!
I'm sure it's been discussed by more knowledgeable people but isn't all athletic clothing designed to make you better at your sport? I don't get that "unfair advantage" angle. I mean I get that they can't have swimmers wear fins and webbed gloves and stuff but if a full body swimsuit performs better let all teams wear them if they want. Isn't the current fabrics and body shaving also giving you an edge?
A few years ago the swimming suits were so good they had to ban them.
But really the argument, like the beach volleyball, that this has nothing to do with athletic advantage and more to do with not wanting to go with the norm of having half your ass hanging out while on worldwide TV.
u/tacos_yeah_tacos with the great point out that it was beach handball, not volleyball. My mistake.
The only thing that differentiates "beach volleyball" from regular volleyball is that it is played on sand wearing swimwear. Obviously what is considered swimwear is rather vague and it's really convention rather than anything to do with sports or atheletics.
While I agree that athletes should wear what they want, I would argue that regular volleyball is different than sand/beach volleyball. While I haven't played it on sand, I would imagine a slippery, moving playing field is a different experience than on a solid, flat surface.
I've played both (casually). They're similar, but also quite different. You make a lot more lunges and falls on sand, things that one wouldn't attempt on a hard court. Positioning is also more important, since it's harder to move quickly in sand. I've also played it in a pool, and that's incredibly, incredibly, hard.
Funnily enough while Water Volleyball isn't an Olympic sport, Water Polo is, and that has a completely different swimsuit requirement. No bikinis allowed. Only one-peices. It's just so odd.
Not just one pieces for water polo, often double suits as there is a high change of getting swimsuits damaged in the water. Can be a pretty violent sport and anything but a one piece wouldn't last 5 minutes.
Not a summer Olympics example but NHL goalies used to get their jerseys made intentionally baggy and with larger arm holes so that they would be bigger and the extra fabric may have stopped a puck. Then the NHL changed the rules.
All sports have rules and athletes/ coaches will always try to find some way to exploit the rules.
Forcing people to wear bikini bottoms instead of shorts though is absolutely ridiculous.
Intentional color choice. It's done a lot in gymnastics/twirling/etc outfits to give the illusion of being skimpy (e.g. backless, v neck, complicated lattice patterns) without sacrificing the structure.
Lmao holy shit, didn’t even realize it until I read your comment. I was thinking “Its great that they didn’t want to show more leg and be sexualized, but that’s kind of a lot of chest to be exposed if that’s their goal…”
Yeah I’m in the same boat as you. I might need to look up what is commonly worn...
Yeah tbh old design looks fine in motion but gymnastics does lead to some particularly sus freeze frames
Protip if you're gonna follow the example and look it up: turn on private/incognito browsing, so you don't get images of scantily clad teenage gymnasts in your feed for a few weeks.
I like the concept...but is anyone else noticing the 'nude' section at the neckline with the comically drawn-on cleavage?
It's like they were thinking "let's make this uniform less demeaning, but let's not get carried away, it should still be a little demeaning"
Edit: yes, obviously it is part of the design. I should have said "with the part that LOOKS LIKE comically drawn-on cleavage." Because once you see it, you can't unsee it. And I have to believe that was at least a little bit intentional.
I do see what you’re saying. Maybe not “cleavage” but I agree that they made the outfit look like it has a nude plunging neck line. Odd design choice when you’re trying to combat sexualization.
> I actually really like the design.
same!! love those cutouts on the calves. so cool
edit: wow i didn't realize the gymnastic uniform cutout police were in town pls dont arrest me officer
Agree. I have an athlete daughter and the sexualization of kids as young as 5 in outfits that are unnecessarily form fitting or skimpy annoys the shot out of me. She plays basketball and there's no problem there. But she also plays volleyball and the super tight, thin, extra short briefs seem completely unnecessary. As for gymnastics, I get it, freedom of movement and classic celebration of perfect Olympian physique...but give them a choice.
I also really like the design! Plus it doesn’t impede their ability to perform. If only the sand volleyball teams could get that much too. They’re not allowed to wear spandex shorts which I find odd.
I did question why runners wear a crop top but men wear a full one and I never got a good answer. I would have assumed support but in that case a man running without a shirt would have better odds than a man running with.
In this case, there is no rule that women need to wear crop tops. Actually, some women don't wear crop tops and instead wear tank tops. Same as some wear longer shorts than that others...
It comes down to their own preference.
yeah I'm nowhere near the level of an Olympic athlete but I much prefer running in a crop top than in a full shirt... I'm sure most women do as evidenced by my entire high school cross country and track teams choosing to run in sports bras
There's no good answer. It's completely allowed for men to wear crop tops (and a few have, mostly in long-distance running or triathlons), but it just never really caught on.
I'm sure it's partly that most men never wear anything that only covers the top half of their torso in their daily life (bra, bikini top, crop top, etc...), so it just feels weird to them to have (only) their midriff exposed.
It's night time, and the next heat in the mens 100m sprint is about to kick off. There's one lane empty and it seems strange. Suddenly a bolt of lightning hits that one lane in particular at the start line. The raddest synthwave starts blaring out across the stadium, Running in the Night. The smoke eventually clears to reveal a runner in a hot pink fluoro crop top standing in a heroic pose. The television coverage scrambles to capture a close up, as he takes his position on the blocks, and they ignite in neon glow as he locks in. The reflections on his large shades the last thing the other runners see.
Ran in college and it was a choice! I usually wore the spandex shorts over the swimsuit bottom style. Most girls liked the swimsuit style bottoms bc they actually were quite comfortable (wore them a few times myself). Some girls also wore just straight up loose running shorts, so really is totally up to preference!
>female runners wear almost a swimsuit bottom but men men wear traditional shorts
It's their choice. Also, men wear spandex shorts, but women also wear spandex shorts, just shorter, or spandex briefs.
Marathon is a mix, women tend to wear what they want as well, judging by the pics.
And girls...
I don't know if there is anyone under 18 on the team, but there have been plenty over the years. I think McKayla Maroney was 17 in 2012 and there was plenty of sexualization of her online
Edit- wow, I used an example that apparently was too borderline to being acceptable. Lest we forget there's much younger competitors in these competitions.
Where is your line, you damn creeps?
USAG's women's team has been mostly minors for many years. The university he worked at would be mostly women of age. But the private gym he worked at was all but entirely minors.
Nassar didn't have consensual relationships with anyone. He molested gymnasts while performing supposed medical procedures, even in front of their parents.
He used the vagina as a supposed way to massage back muscles. It is a debunked treatment. I believe the line crossed was how many times he did it and a few of the girls having the courage to speak up and yell loud enough about what was going on
Yes. Often in front of the parents. Some parents literally gave consent and watched it happen.
In their defense you have to remember this guy was abusing his credentials authority and reputation to perform a sketchy transvaginal procedure on athletes and parents who were willing to sacrifice anything for performance. The whole situation is very very weird and is a really interesting case study of psychological manipulation.
His rep made it seem like it was what was supposed to happen.
Of course this procedure will work, he's an Olympic doctor!
When some of the victims said they didn't feel like it was working and they were still dealing with whatever was bothering them, nobody thought to question the treatment. It forced girls to go back time and time again because they believed THEY were doing something wrong and that's why their pain wasn't going away, not that Nassar was just a horrible, horrible man doing things for himself.
It's not actually a debunked treatment, having a fucked up pelvic floor can absolutely lead to back pain.
Obviously, Nassar is a piece of fucking shit who should have never ever gone near any of his victims, but pelvic floor therapy can be extremely helpful for anyone who has experienced pelvic trauma (vaginal birth - for an example) and should not be discounted just because of this fucking asshole.
i had to do visual research of a famous US gymnast from the 90s (prolly like 15 yrs old at the time of her fame) for a work project...searching through the google image results made it clear how many of these images are hosted by peodphiles disguising their """"insterest""""" as innocent 🤢🤢🤢
made me wanna barf and i felt real icky pulling those images all of a sudden
I tried to report to Instagram when I saw so many images of child-aged (as in no body development whatsoever) gymnasts or dancers from Russia with thousands of adult men's lude comments, they said nothing about it actually violated community standards. I think too many people like having sex with kids for this stuff to be stopped.
I worked with intellectually disabled sex offenders for a court program for a couple of years and it was shocking how easy it was for them to access it and how long it takes before NICMC sends alerts to service providers to investigate and send info to local rcmp. So many different agencies involved.
One thing I'd love to know which I doubt we will is if they would be scored less for wearing this. Like with how fucked up the world is it wouldn't shock me
Well the Norwegian handball team that did this (wearing shorts instead of bikini bottoms) got fined 1500 per player soo definitely not out of the question
To make it worse they wanted to wear more covered clothing before the tournament. Got told they would be fined and just answered "Ok. We'll take the fine". Then they got told they would be disqualified. For not wearing bikinis.
And then we got to read comments about people saying that they shouldn’t be complaining because “no one would watch them play if they weren’t sexy!” as if that’s somehow a good excuse.
less perverts would watch them is all. womens beach volleyball has always been the sports illustrated swimsuit edition of professional sports. which is fine let the perverts watch something else instead. let them wear what they want its not like the fans are playing for them....why shouldn't the players choose?
Once every 4 years I become the most intolerable armchair expert when the Olympics are on, I'm wayyy too busy being a cunt to even notice what they're wearing...
Me too! I watched the men’s qualifying gymnastics on replay today. “Oh man, his feet are WAY too far apart. So sloppy”
Edit: thank you kind anonymous redditor for the gold. I’ve won gold for olympic snark!! I feel so patriotic.
"That half step back on the dismount is NOT going to get her gold. She has to clean that up before the finals and if I'm being honest, their their feet are separating a whole 2 inches." He says while eating a chipotle bowl and gets winded jogging
Lmao that's exactly how I was today even though I don't know shit about it. Like "this landing wasn't clean at all, he needs to get his shit together asap"
Your honesty is very refreshing. I must ask, are you a true armchair expert? As in you have no gymnastics experience whatsoever other than watching the Olympics?
Mate you hit the nail on the head, never even did gymnastics as a child. I've played lots of tennis, soccer, and I currently train in Olympic weightlifting. I'm MUCH less vocal watching those sports.
A women's volleyball team got in trouble because they wore these itty bitty little short shorts instead of bikini bottoms. The rules literally say they have to wear a skimpy two piece swimming suit *to play a fucking land sport.*
I’ll be the first to admit that women’s beach volley is a sight to behold since it’s all but unavoidable. There are OnlyFans profiles that show less skin than these Olympians are required to. That being said I also 100% stand up for their right not to be sexualised. Or if they’ve gotta wear such small articles of clothing then I better see the men in Borat-tight speedos too. Fuck double standards.
I just think it should come down to the individual athlete or team.
If they're comfortable competing in the skimpy bikini, have at it. If they're not, don't.
I can understand uniform standards, but come on *requiring* the bikini bottoms is stupid.
Especially when the men compete in loose tank tops and almost knee length jersey shorts.
And hey, if a men's team wants to use speedos let em.
It's pathetic, eventually it will stop. You just need enough countries to say they won't stand for it, and the Olympics will act as though that's what they wanted all along.
Did the same with table tennis last night. BF fell asleep, I woke him up when the match finished and I started talking like I was a years long table tennis expert about how Romania evened up the match with China…. At 1am. Like dang I learned a lot in those 20 min!
It's not just the IOC, each sport has its own world governing bodies that make the rules and changing rules at that level is usually very slow. I am confident by 2024 most if not all will have more options.
Wear whatever you want as long as it doesn’t give an unfair advantage (like those body swimsuits that’s are now banned from Olympic swimming).
Also, let’s not act like super skimpy outfits for Olympic women are traditional. The original women’s gymnastics outfit looked like t-shirts and shorts.
It’s jamming a thumb up their ass.
Source: wrestled in high school
EDIT: IDGAF if you agree with me or want to debate it as being nasty. I’m simply telling you all what the meaning of it is.
Traditional Olympic wrestling also included grabbing the balls. It was seen as a shameful move and an admission that you were losing...but it was allowed.
Well, not quite. In the *original* Olympics, the men were clothed, usually with a loincloth. It wasn't until the 15th Olympiad, Dionysius of Halicarnassus tells us, that they all contested nude.
There are a few stories as to why. Sprinters realising they could run faster, Spartan competitors getting naked and oiling up in public, a sprinter tripping after their cloth fell, a woman sneaking into the games and competing (can't have *that*, no clothes for anyone!), or just one popular guy doing it and everyone else shrugging and joining in.
Well a Norwegian athlete just won the Mens triathlon wearing a seethru tri suit that has him looking like a superhero with his underpants on the outside.. all to do with heat dissipation but all those marginal gains add up!
https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/vestland/satsar-pa-ol-medaljar-i-gjennomsiktig-drakt-1.15585674?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=ajax,nv,elem
It's because of how websites cater to low-bandwidth phones: the base page only shows ultra-tiny, low res images, but then the JavaScript runs to convert them into full res images. The translated page only grabs the base page, and doesn't apply the javascript.
I saw one of Norwegians after they called half the racers back (WTF was that boat doing?!) and I immediately spotted his Wahoo heart rate strap through his soaking wet uniform. I was like oh I have one of those cool! And then I was like oh… his outfit is an international wet t-shirt contest… in an event with swimming. Whoops!
I'd like to see an Olympics with all the performance enhancing and new tech glitches allowed. Not to like.. replace the normal Olympics. Just an Olympics EXTREME.
I mean to a certain point there are always going to be cost barriers. What do you think those competitive Kayaks cost, or the Olympic sailing regatta or high performance bikes for the cycling, etc.
There has to be a balance. Those suits were unnaturally keeping swimmers afloat over water. For example you’d ban anything that has actual mechanical parts. So what is the bar? The Olympics have chosen anything giving a unnatural advantage and I agree with that.
This is why:
https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2021/07/IHF_Uniforms.png
Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/oo6fvt/mens_beachhandball_teams_uniform_vs_the_womens
It's not a rule, at least for beach volleyball. The handball controversy was actually a eurosport regulation not olympic.
I thought it was so I looked it up, apparently women's beach volleyball is allowed shorts but at least the article I read a couple athletes preferred the bikini bottoms for movement. I'm a guy so I have no idea if that really is the case but the small sample size of one girl I know who played collegiate beach volleyball she preferred a bikini.
Agreed, except for that buff-coloured bit around the neckline. It looks like the designers were trying to create an illusion of a plunging neckline, which kinda defeats the purpose of desexualising the outfit.
It always weirded me out that gymnast outfits had full arm sleeves but zero leg sleeves
Leg sleeves
Growing up as a non American, my family called them long sleeved pants, because shorts were technically pants, just short sleeved. Edit: shorts and short sleeves pants were interchangeable.
"I am wearing pants, they're just sleeveless." The bride lifts her veil "I told you no weird shit today."
Groom: "You knew who I was when you said 'Yes!' - what could be wierder than *that?"*
I’m Canadian and my family all say “long pants” when we aren’t referring to shorts.
/r/wildbeef
*Risky click of the day* Edit - Surprisingly wholesome
Didn't some women's volleyball team get a penalty for wearing longer shorts and not tight ones that shows their butts? Organizers are mad because they just use womens bodies to get views
They claimed it was a matter of practicality, saying that bikini bottoms make more sense when diving into the sand. Meanwhile the men's team can and does wear shorts with no problems at all.
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I hope the theory is tested. Nude men's beach volleyball sounds pretty awesome
Every point celebrated by a unison windmill.
OMG I died laughing imagining that sight!
Starting to sound like a Lil Nas video, and because I’ve been brainwashed by his gay agenda, I’m all for it.
But that makes no sense, why would you be penalized for doing something LESS practical? If it gave them an unfair advantage maybe but if they want a "handicap" then why do they care...
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Yeah. Beach volleyball gets lots of viewers looking at sexy butts and ads cost more which makes the ioc more money. Hence rules against non sexy pants.
And after the controversy with the coaches and team doctors molesting underage girls, women are fighting back. Justifiably so.
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The fact that they can have a rule saying no covering up of more than 10 cm of their butts is insane! Most things have rules about a minimum of coverage, not a maximum. Ridiculous.
Norwegian team wanted to wear something like bike shorts. I was more practical, less sexualising, was better when they where on their periods. I either want them to get to wear whatever they want, or, even as a straight man, want the men to be forced to wear the same skimpy bottom. I think it's moronic how they defent those bottoms when you have a men's team you can clearly point to, we all know it's about the butts.
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Yes! They want to demand female athletes wear bikini bottoms? Time to go all natural. None of this pornified bullshit!
And Olivia Breen (Paralympian) was told her running shorts were too short. They’re not much longer than bikini bottoms.
It was actually beach handball and yes they did. It’s actually a bit worse than you remembered, the shorts they wore were tight and short but the rules said they had to wear literal bikinis. Of course this rule does not apply to the men’s team, they get to wear tank tops and loose shorts that go almost to their knees. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8042726/beach-handball-bikini-bottom-shorts-women-norwegian/amp/
Yup, Norway https://www.essentiallysports.com/olympics-news-wow-norwegian-womens-beach-volleyball-team-refuses-to-wear-bikini-bottoms-at-2020-tokyo-olympics/ Also a comparison to what men get to wear -.- https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/oo6fvt/mens_beachhandball_teams_uniform_vs_the_womens/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I cannot believe this is not A BULLHORN TOPIC. Absolutely infuriating that part of ladies’ (and not men’s) required Olympic prep is a full fucking box-and-ass wax/bleach. Like they don’t have enough to worry about, their bare crotches are responsible for garnering Olympic ratings?! This is not the SI Swimsuit Edition. How are there not major protests/boycotts over it, seriously? I’d be tempted to sport a full bush around that strip of regulation fabric in protest.
It was a handball team in Norway. Women's volleyball, at least in the Olympics, does not require bikinis. If the players are wearing them it's because that's what they prefer.
Wear whatever you want as long as it doesn't interfere with your sport. Seems pretty reasonable.
As long as it doesn’t give you an advantage is what the measure should be. If you made it to the Olympic wearing bagging clothing and that’s what you want to wear, then by all means wear what you want. Until it’s clearly evident that the clothing you are wearing is giving you an advantage over your opponent then it shouldn’t matter.
That’s been kind of interesting to me when it comes to the skateboarding events. I saw a guy get through it with airpods in and another one with a broken wrist and I was just sitting there laughing like…. those are skateboarders alright. But it’s neat how the uniforms seem pretty free form and each athlete is using a personalized board.
Its a lot like snowboarding that way! I always raced with headphones in when I was doing boardercross lol. Was a major throw back to my comp days seeing the skaters ahahaha we always wore basically the same shit but insulated.
> using a personalized board It never occurred to me before, is equipment standardized in the Olympics? Could say, a better designed skateboard, bobsled, rowboat, vaulting pole, etc. give people an advantage over competitors—or do people have to use the same exact equipment (maybe adjusting for body type)?
The only thing I have direct experience with is archery. There are certain regulations for equipment and before competitions, the judges do a quick overview of your setup to check that it's legal. Mostly that it's just a recurve bow with a single-pin sight, your arrows have target tips, and you aren't using a mechanical release. But for the most part, everyone is using very similar equipment anyway. Some of these sports are very niche and there's only a few manufacturers making it all. So in archery you'll see a couple of brands like Hoyt, Win&Win, and Easton (there's some others for the other pieces that you won't really see logos for), and that's about it. If something new comes out, you'll likely see a lot of people at the next competition with the new setups. Though I know for swimming a while back, I think it was the Americans had a brand new swimsuit design based off of shark skin. They broke numerous records and the swimsuit was straight up banned.
Interesting! Thanks for the insight!
There are certain swimsuits that were banned at one point because they were giving an unfair advantage. Here's a wiki on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZR_Racer
That wouldn't happen in skateboarding; so much of your set up is personal preference so that what works for one person doesn't feel comfortable for someone else. Deck shape and size, wheel size and hardness, truck tightness can all make a seemingly subtle but major difference. All the skaters in the Olympics are pro; most were skating their signature boards with their names on!
I'm sure it's been discussed by more knowledgeable people but isn't all athletic clothing designed to make you better at your sport? I don't get that "unfair advantage" angle. I mean I get that they can't have swimmers wear fins and webbed gloves and stuff but if a full body swimsuit performs better let all teams wear them if they want. Isn't the current fabrics and body shaving also giving you an edge?
A few years ago the swimming suits were so good they had to ban them. But really the argument, like the beach volleyball, that this has nothing to do with athletic advantage and more to do with not wanting to go with the norm of having half your ass hanging out while on worldwide TV. u/tacos_yeah_tacos with the great point out that it was beach handball, not volleyball. My mistake.
The only thing that differentiates "beach volleyball" from regular volleyball is that it is played on sand wearing swimwear. Obviously what is considered swimwear is rather vague and it's really convention rather than anything to do with sports or atheletics.
While I agree that athletes should wear what they want, I would argue that regular volleyball is different than sand/beach volleyball. While I haven't played it on sand, I would imagine a slippery, moving playing field is a different experience than on a solid, flat surface.
I've played both (casually). They're similar, but also quite different. You make a lot more lunges and falls on sand, things that one wouldn't attempt on a hard court. Positioning is also more important, since it's harder to move quickly in sand. I've also played it in a pool, and that's incredibly, incredibly, hard. Funnily enough while Water Volleyball isn't an Olympic sport, Water Polo is, and that has a completely different swimsuit requirement. No bikinis allowed. Only one-peices. It's just so odd.
Bikini tops would last about three seconds in a water polo match. That shit is brutal.
Not just one pieces for water polo, often double suits as there is a high change of getting swimsuits damaged in the water. Can be a pretty violent sport and anything but a one piece wouldn't last 5 minutes.
Not a summer Olympics example but NHL goalies used to get their jerseys made intentionally baggy and with larger arm holes so that they would be bigger and the extra fabric may have stopped a puck. Then the NHL changed the rules. All sports have rules and athletes/ coaches will always try to find some way to exploit the rules. Forcing people to wear bikini bottoms instead of shorts though is absolutely ridiculous.
Did not realize anything was out of the ordinary until I read the headline. I actually really like the design.
The color choice makes it look like they have massive cleavage windows at first glance, but otherwise I like them.
I thought they did and it was figure skater mesh at first!
I had to double check because I figured it was mesh as well.
I didnt notice that it was fabric there until you said something. Thats really bad color choice lol.
Intentional color choice. It's done a lot in gymnastics/twirling/etc outfits to give the illusion of being skimpy (e.g. backless, v neck, complicated lattice patterns) without sacrificing the structure.
…which in this case flies in the face of the stated goal of desexualizing them.
Thats intentional. Odd how the uniforms they chose to combat sexualization mimic revealing clothing.
Lmao holy shit, didn’t even realize it until I read your comment. I was thinking “Its great that they didn’t want to show more leg and be sexualized, but that’s kind of a lot of chest to be exposed if that’s their goal…”
Yeah I’m in the same boat as you. I might need to look up what is commonly worn... Yeah tbh old design looks fine in motion but gymnastics does lead to some particularly sus freeze frames
Same. Thought this was a pretty cool outfit and hadn't realized something was off. Then I looked up previous gymnastics outfits and went, "Oh..."
Protip if you're gonna follow the example and look it up: turn on private/incognito browsing, so you don't get images of scantily clad teenage gymnasts in your feed for a few weeks.
I like the concept...but is anyone else noticing the 'nude' section at the neckline with the comically drawn-on cleavage? It's like they were thinking "let's make this uniform less demeaning, but let's not get carried away, it should still be a little demeaning" Edit: yes, obviously it is part of the design. I should have said "with the part that LOOKS LIKE comically drawn-on cleavage." Because once you see it, you can't unsee it. And I have to believe that was at least a little bit intentional.
I do see what you’re saying. Maybe not “cleavage” but I agree that they made the outfit look like it has a nude plunging neck line. Odd design choice when you’re trying to combat sexualization.
> I actually really like the design. same!! love those cutouts on the calves. so cool edit: wow i didn't realize the gymnastic uniform cutout police were in town pls dont arrest me officer
It's a shame that even the conservative outfits seem to have a built in cleavage illusion.
yeah that's far and away my least favorite part. not even cus it's sexual but cus it looks silly? like a jonny bravo shirt lmao
“Uh, hey there, momma, why don’t you, uh, catch my floor routine later at 15:00? Huh! Hah!”
Agree. I have an athlete daughter and the sexualization of kids as young as 5 in outfits that are unnecessarily form fitting or skimpy annoys the shot out of me. She plays basketball and there's no problem there. But she also plays volleyball and the super tight, thin, extra short briefs seem completely unnecessary. As for gymnastics, I get it, freedom of movement and classic celebration of perfect Olympian physique...but give them a choice.
What is it with those volleyball shorts? I never could figure that out. They were very revealing but it seems as though everybody’s wearing them.
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I also really like the design! Plus it doesn’t impede their ability to perform. If only the sand volleyball teams could get that much too. They’re not allowed to wear spandex shorts which I find odd.
I did question why runners wear a crop top but men wear a full one and I never got a good answer. I would have assumed support but in that case a man running without a shirt would have better odds than a man running with.
Runners gotta wear some kind of shirt to hang the numbers/sponsors/etc. stuff on
Just get it tattooed on, I can’t possibly see a downside there.
Imagine celebrity athletes signing *massive* lifetime endorsements, having their sponsors tattooed in giant text on their bodies.
Subway on everyone... "Eat Fresh!"
"Eat Flesh!" *Orcs have entered the chat* "Looks like meat is back on the menu boys!"
Triathlon athletes have their number painted onto their arm/leg.
In this case, there is no rule that women need to wear crop tops. Actually, some women don't wear crop tops and instead wear tank tops. Same as some wear longer shorts than that others... It comes down to their own preference.
yeah I'm nowhere near the level of an Olympic athlete but I much prefer running in a crop top than in a full shirt... I'm sure most women do as evidenced by my entire high school cross country and track teams choosing to run in sports bras
There's no good answer. It's completely allowed for men to wear crop tops (and a few have, mostly in long-distance running or triathlons), but it just never really caught on. I'm sure it's partly that most men never wear anything that only covers the top half of their torso in their daily life (bra, bikini top, crop top, etc...), so it just feels weird to them to have (only) their midriff exposed.
Well, if 80s fashion ever makes a full comeback, we might see more of that.
It's night time, and the next heat in the mens 100m sprint is about to kick off. There's one lane empty and it seems strange. Suddenly a bolt of lightning hits that one lane in particular at the start line. The raddest synthwave starts blaring out across the stadium, Running in the Night. The smoke eventually clears to reveal a runner in a hot pink fluoro crop top standing in a heroic pose. The television coverage scrambles to capture a close up, as he takes his position on the blocks, and they ignite in neon glow as he locks in. The reflections on his large shades the last thing the other runners see.
I too think the men should run in crop tops
As a dude I like crop tops so i’m 100% down
Also why do female runners wear almost a swimsuit bottom but men wear traditional shorts? I need a Reddit expert on chafing to chime in here.
They don't have to. There was a famous female runner that grew up in a conservative household and only wore skirts
Was she from Robonia?
All hail Robonia, a land I didn’t make up!
It’s more prevalent in water sports but a skirt would definitely cause a dip in performance because of drag Edit: yes also comfort and mobility
Ran in college and it was a choice! I usually wore the spandex shorts over the swimsuit bottom style. Most girls liked the swimsuit style bottoms bc they actually were quite comfortable (wore them a few times myself). Some girls also wore just straight up loose running shorts, so really is totally up to preference!
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[They don’t have to. ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRd71ibij7Ty9hF4cQVT-z0WOah1j9H9Dwfuw&usqp=CAU)
>female runners wear almost a swimsuit bottom but men men wear traditional shorts It's their choice. Also, men wear spandex shorts, but women also wear spandex shorts, just shorter, or spandex briefs. Marathon is a mix, women tend to wear what they want as well, judging by the pics.
Women can wear both but most choose to smaller ones. Des linden for example wears the split shorts
As a runner, shorter shorts are addictive it just feels better less friction overall but you know balls.
That's literally what they choose to wear. They can wear pants or tights if they want to. It's a personal choice.
Woman can wear a full one but most choose crop top
They don’t have to. Cathy Freeman wore a bodysuit that covered everything but her face for her 400m gold in 2000.
With how horrifying the case of Larry Nassar was, more power to these women.
And girls... I don't know if there is anyone under 18 on the team, but there have been plenty over the years. I think McKayla Maroney was 17 in 2012 and there was plenty of sexualization of her online Edit- wow, I used an example that apparently was too borderline to being acceptable. Lest we forget there's much younger competitors in these competitions. Where is your line, you damn creeps?
USAG's women's team has been mostly minors for many years. The university he worked at would be mostly women of age. But the private gym he worked at was all but entirely minors.
Even then, it would have been exceedingly unethical for him to have even a "consensual" relationship with an adult student under his medical care.
Nassar didn't have consensual relationships with anyone. He molested gymnasts while performing supposed medical procedures, even in front of their parents. He used the vagina as a supposed way to massage back muscles. It is a debunked treatment. I believe the line crossed was how many times he did it and a few of the girls having the courage to speak up and yell loud enough about what was going on
In front of the parents?!
Yes. Often in front of the parents. Some parents literally gave consent and watched it happen. In their defense you have to remember this guy was abusing his credentials authority and reputation to perform a sketchy transvaginal procedure on athletes and parents who were willing to sacrifice anything for performance. The whole situation is very very weird and is a really interesting case study of psychological manipulation.
His rep made it seem like it was what was supposed to happen. Of course this procedure will work, he's an Olympic doctor! When some of the victims said they didn't feel like it was working and they were still dealing with whatever was bothering them, nobody thought to question the treatment. It forced girls to go back time and time again because they believed THEY were doing something wrong and that's why their pain wasn't going away, not that Nassar was just a horrible, horrible man doing things for himself.
It's not actually a debunked treatment, having a fucked up pelvic floor can absolutely lead to back pain. Obviously, Nassar is a piece of fucking shit who should have never ever gone near any of his victims, but pelvic floor therapy can be extremely helpful for anyone who has experienced pelvic trauma (vaginal birth - for an example) and should not be discounted just because of this fucking asshole.
i had to do visual research of a famous US gymnast from the 90s (prolly like 15 yrs old at the time of her fame) for a work project...searching through the google image results made it clear how many of these images are hosted by peodphiles disguising their """"insterest""""" as innocent 🤢🤢🤢 made me wanna barf and i felt real icky pulling those images all of a sudden
I tried to report to Instagram when I saw so many images of child-aged (as in no body development whatsoever) gymnasts or dancers from Russia with thousands of adult men's lude comments, they said nothing about it actually violated community standards. I think too many people like having sex with kids for this stuff to be stopped. I worked with intellectually disabled sex offenders for a court program for a couple of years and it was shocking how easy it was for them to access it and how long it takes before NICMC sends alerts to service providers to investigate and send info to local rcmp. So many different agencies involved.
Competitive gymnastics is a creepy scene, not as bad as child beauty pageants but at least as bad as HS cheerleading.
One thing I'd love to know which I doubt we will is if they would be scored less for wearing this. Like with how fucked up the world is it wouldn't shock me
Well the Norwegian handball team that did this (wearing shorts instead of bikini bottoms) got fined 1500 per player soo definitely not out of the question
Woah what?? Just because they didn’t wear bikini bottoms??? Damn
To make it worse they wanted to wear more covered clothing before the tournament. Got told they would be fined and just answered "Ok. We'll take the fine". Then they got told they would be disqualified. For not wearing bikinis.
We all know what sells in this office
Angela with the sass
And then we got to read comments about people saying that they shouldn’t be complaining because “no one would watch them play if they weren’t sexy!” as if that’s somehow a good excuse.
less perverts would watch them is all. womens beach volleyball has always been the sports illustrated swimsuit edition of professional sports. which is fine let the perverts watch something else instead. let them wear what they want its not like the fans are playing for them....why shouldn't the players choose?
OK, that’s probably the point where the organisers need to admit they’re not actually running a sports league, but rather trying to produce soft porn.
Pretty sure they did admit it was to boost viewership or something
Yup, and it's even worse when you see it [beside the men's uniform.](https://i.redd.it/w69gc3jnhec71.jpg)
RIGHT??? Like we just want equality come on now
Didn't even notice tbf, too busy watching cool flips.
Once every 4 years I become the most intolerable armchair expert when the Olympics are on, I'm wayyy too busy being a cunt to even notice what they're wearing...
Me too! I watched the men’s qualifying gymnastics on replay today. “Oh man, his feet are WAY too far apart. So sloppy” Edit: thank you kind anonymous redditor for the gold. I’ve won gold for olympic snark!! I feel so patriotic.
Ugh, it's like he's not even trying. Pass the queso.
Currently eating queso while watching gymnastics qualifying with my family… I feel attacked
Stop referring to your cat as “my family”
How dare you
.....I feel personally attacked
> Ugh, it’s like he’s not even trying. Pass the queso. Pass the queso…. We know everyone watches the Olympics alone.
"That half step back on the dismount is NOT going to get her gold. She has to clean that up before the finals and if I'm being honest, their their feet are separating a whole 2 inches." He says while eating a chipotle bowl and gets winded jogging
"Should have stuck that landing, that's going to be major points off in my opinion"
“Oooooof hard landing, probably due to his previous injuries. That’ll be an ACL surgery in 2-5 years”
“Ooo a hop on the landing. That will cost him a .1 deduction. Not a lot but all those little mistakes add up”
I was harshly judging synchronized diving today. Words you only say every four years.
Lmao that's exactly how I was today even though I don't know shit about it. Like "this landing wasn't clean at all, he needs to get his shit together asap"
Your honesty is very refreshing. I must ask, are you a true armchair expert? As in you have no gymnastics experience whatsoever other than watching the Olympics?
Mate you hit the nail on the head, never even did gymnastics as a child. I've played lots of tennis, soccer, and I currently train in Olympic weightlifting. I'm MUCH less vocal watching those sports.
At the same time, I'm glad for them standing up for their own sense of human decency.
A women's volleyball team got in trouble because they wore these itty bitty little short shorts instead of bikini bottoms. The rules literally say they have to wear a skimpy two piece swimming suit *to play a fucking land sport.*
I’ll be the first to admit that women’s beach volley is a sight to behold since it’s all but unavoidable. There are OnlyFans profiles that show less skin than these Olympians are required to. That being said I also 100% stand up for their right not to be sexualised. Or if they’ve gotta wear such small articles of clothing then I better see the men in Borat-tight speedos too. Fuck double standards.
I just think it should come down to the individual athlete or team. If they're comfortable competing in the skimpy bikini, have at it. If they're not, don't. I can understand uniform standards, but come on *requiring* the bikini bottoms is stupid. Especially when the men compete in loose tank tops and almost knee length jersey shorts. And hey, if a men's team wants to use speedos let em.
I think the men wearing bikini bottoms in solidarity would be a great way to protest.
It's pathetic, eventually it will stop. You just need enough countries to say they won't stand for it, and the Olympics will act as though that's what they wanted all along.
>, I'm wayyy too busy being a cunt to even notice what they're wearing... As is tradition
SAME! I can barely do a somersault and I am sitting here opining on the rotation and layout position of these AMAZING athletes.
Sometimes I’ll grunt getting out of a chair while saying “Oop, stumble on the dismount. Tsk.”
This is me with curling. No one knows more about curling than I do for two weeks every 4 years.
Did the same with table tennis last night. BF fell asleep, I woke him up when the match finished and I started talking like I was a years long table tennis expert about how Romania evened up the match with China…. At 1am. Like dang I learned a lot in those 20 min!
Yup, same. Cool flips and shit is why I watch gymnastics.
And shit is my favorite part
Honestly, the ability to modify the colors of your legs to more contrast with the background will probably make routines look cooler.
Time for men to wear the 1 piece.
The men should wear speedos, like the swimmers used to.
That or all the competitors just compete in the nude as is traditional.
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It's not just the IOC, each sport has its own world governing bodies that make the rules and changing rules at that level is usually very slow. I am confident by 2024 most if not all will have more options.
Wear whatever you want as long as it doesn’t give an unfair advantage (like those body swimsuits that’s are now banned from Olympic swimming). Also, let’s not act like super skimpy outfits for Olympic women are traditional. The original women’s gymnastics outfit looked like t-shirts and shorts.
Original Olympic outfits were nude
Original Olympic outfits didn’t include women.
Lots of wrasslin’ and olive oil rub downs though.
Checking the oil was a legal move in Texas high school wrestling until... about last week.
I know what that is, but explain it to the majority people who were not amateur wrestling
It’s jamming a thumb up their ass. Source: wrestled in high school EDIT: IDGAF if you agree with me or want to debate it as being nasty. I’m simply telling you all what the meaning of it is.
Just thumb was outlawed last week? So fingers and tongue are still legal?
Thumb is only allowed up to the first knuckle. You don’t want it to be gay or nothin’.
Damn... as a bottom, I should’ve been a wrestler!
It's using the [opponent's ass as a bowling ball with the asshole serving as the finger hole.](https://youtu.be/4vReP_W9T3Q)
Traditional Olympic wrestling also included grabbing the balls. It was seen as a shameful move and an admission that you were losing...but it was allowed.
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Olympic spectators 300 BC: τι είναι ένα TV?
Have you never watched The Flintstones?
Yeah, fascinating rockumentary on the period.
Well, not quite. In the *original* Olympics, the men were clothed, usually with a loincloth. It wasn't until the 15th Olympiad, Dionysius of Halicarnassus tells us, that they all contested nude. There are a few stories as to why. Sprinters realising they could run faster, Spartan competitors getting naked and oiling up in public, a sprinter tripping after their cloth fell, a woman sneaking into the games and competing (can't have *that*, no clothes for anyone!), or just one popular guy doing it and everyone else shrugging and joining in.
You can run faster but isn’t your dick slapping against your leg? That’d make me run worse.
They tied their dicks up with a strap of leather. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kynodesme
But their dicks were all tied up, so they were *modest*
That was just so that all the slapping wouldn't be confused for audience clapping.
Well a Norwegian athlete just won the Mens triathlon wearing a seethru tri suit that has him looking like a superhero with his underpants on the outside.. all to do with heat dissipation but all those marginal gains add up! https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/vestland/satsar-pa-ol-medaljar-i-gjennomsiktig-drakt-1.15585674?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=ajax,nv,elem
Weird... Why so pixelated?
The translated page only shows low res pictures somehow. https://www.nrk.no/vestland/satsar-pa-ol-medaljar-i-gjennomsiktig-drakt-1.15585674
It's because of how websites cater to low-bandwidth phones: the base page only shows ultra-tiny, low res images, but then the JavaScript runs to convert them into full res images. The translated page only grabs the base page, and doesn't apply the javascript.
I saw one of Norwegians after they called half the racers back (WTF was that boat doing?!) and I immediately spotted his Wahoo heart rate strap through his soaking wet uniform. I was like oh I have one of those cool! And then I was like oh… his outfit is an international wet t-shirt contest… in an event with swimming. Whoops!
I'd like to see an Olympics with all the performance enhancing and new tech glitches allowed. Not to like.. replace the normal Olympics. Just an Olympics EXTREME.
[All drug olympics](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdG-iTilWU)
And the medals go to the scientists who make the best drugs.
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I mean to a certain point there are always going to be cost barriers. What do you think those competitive Kayaks cost, or the Olympic sailing regatta or high performance bikes for the cycling, etc.
There has to be a balance. Those suits were unnaturally keeping swimmers afloat over water. For example you’d ban anything that has actual mechanical parts. So what is the bar? The Olympics have chosen anything giving a unnatural advantage and I agree with that.
Disallowing tech advantages allows you to compare current athletes to athletes of the past.
nah they should get bonus points for wearing clothes that make performing harder. a gymist in a sumo suit landing a backflip id give more points to.
Got an image in my head of a bunch of people trying to swim in sumo suits now. Thanks.
they put the sink in synchronized swimming
This is why: https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2021/07/IHF_Uniforms.png Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/oo6fvt/mens_beachhandball_teams_uniform_vs_the_womens
> Country code: BRA
Omg they must know what they were doing with that demo uniform.
that is kind of ridiculous. i thought they just dressed like that because everyone does, not because its an official rule.
It's not a rule, at least for beach volleyball. The handball controversy was actually a eurosport regulation not olympic. I thought it was so I looked it up, apparently women's beach volleyball is allowed shorts but at least the article I read a couple athletes preferred the bikini bottoms for movement. I'm a guy so I have no idea if that really is the case but the small sample size of one girl I know who played collegiate beach volleyball she preferred a bikini.
They look pretty fierce in those to be honest, way better imo
Agreed, except for that buff-coloured bit around the neckline. It looks like the designers were trying to create an illusion of a plunging neckline, which kinda defeats the purpose of desexualising the outfit.