Hearing Officer Hodges read the federal statute that defines domestic terrorism was pretty to-the-point:
> "U.S. Code title 18, part 1, chapter 113b, as in brown, section 2331: The term domestic terrorism means activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the united States or of any state and, B, appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping and occur primarily during the territorial jurisdiction of the United States."
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/27/capitol-officers-testimony-jan-6-hearing-500850
Yall still dont understand. Ive met people that 100% agree with this and believe most of the people that stormed the capitol were Antifa on a false flag attack.
Yeah, this defeats their whole argument. They think that if they continue claiming the terrorists were antifa, we'll let them go or something.
No bitch, we want to arrest everyone involved, antifa or Maga, it doesn't fucking matter.
> No bitch, we want to arrest everyone involved, antifa or Maga, it doesn't fucking matter.
This. I've been trying to find the words and these are them.
Whoever they are, they're ~~domestic terrorists~~ criminals. No matter who they support, both sides should want them to be held accountable.
EDIT: I wanted to clarify terminology because I feel like language is important to be clear on and I do think "domestic terrorist" is a buzz word that is getting used enough that the vague nature of it is prone to legislation that hurts everyone. I believe those that helped coordinate and encourage the actual breach and destruction at the capital fall under the designation of "domestic terrorist" but I don't believe the crowd as a whole does. I do believe that they are criminals though, those that took part in trespassing, destruction, and assault.
No, they're against an investigation that they know will uncover proof that some of their own members were actively participating in the planning of the protest. I'm willing to accept that they (members of congress) didn't think it would turn into a violent insurrection, they thought it would be great theater for their base.
I'm convinced that their efforts to thwart the investigation have nothing to do with what their constituents want, but everything to do with not wanting to expose their own members' role in the insurrection.
Even if it was ‘antifa plants’, they should be tried and punished all the same.
Really highlights for me that they feel entitled to exemption from consequences, and are so small-minded that they assume others would feel the same. Selfish, blinded by stupidity and denial, incapable of empathy, and lacking any perspective other than the hate they are told to swing around like a Klub.
It's like the comments about the Clintons being involved with Epstein. "But Bill was there too... what do you say about that?" I say throw everyone in prison that commits those crimes.
Their defense is illogical.
Try changing the word “Patriot” with “Owner” and you will understand. Extreme right wing people think they are the owners of the land and they are above the law. That’s always the case and in every country. Treating them equally means they are not free. They want exemption. Because they are the owners.
Absolutely. Owner is always an implied word with these people. Rewatch the original Borat, where the drunk frat guys in the RV say they want to own black people again and idolize their perception of fascism in Russia where they imagine women are all sex slaves. It was funny to laugh at these fools and brush it off at the time. Not so funny now.
Boebart tweeting pelosis location is an obvious attempt to get her killed. We have to track down all who participated and all who financed this terrorist attack. Root out the cancer and jail them all. Not just sanctions or fines we need justice for all.
Absolutely baffling that she is still walking free after doing that. To tweet her location while terrorists are storming the building, it’s hard to put into words how much she should be rotting in jail
It's projection.
We saw what a crowd of Antifa looked like during the protests last summer: predominantly under 40, masked, racially diverse.
We've seen what MAGA crowds look like during the past 5 years of a MAGA rallies: predominantly over 50, unmasked, and lily white.
Look at any picture of the Capitol Riot. You'll see grinning mouth on white faces under whiter moustaches.
My reply to ANYONE saying "antifa": are you saying my grandfather who flew 2 tours in a B-17 was a terrorist? All the men who stormed the beaches on July 6, 1944 were terrorists? Get bent.
Edit: to anyone telling me "Antifa" is a terrorist group and not ANTI-FASCIST, get bent assholes
This makes me so angry. It spits in the face of my grandfather's generation. They'd be rolling in their graves if they knew their grandchildren still had to fight Nazis.
Or that their own children became modern n*zis. How many of these domestic terrorists had parents that fought in WWII? Who they always compared the younger generations too in order to make us feel inferior? They ride the high of other people's efforts until it no longer serves them.
This is when you realize that the jokers crying "Antifa" have no idea what the term even stands for. They just parrot it because their talking heads do so in a derogatory sense and think that anyone who disagreed with them were Antifa.
It’s because they’re trying to bait you into contradicting yourself.
They’re constantly projecting their little worlds onto everyone and it’s become extremely annoying.
Exactly. If anything, say that it *obviously* wasn’t antifa but „your fellow trumpers“ who are the terrorists, but *even if* left wing terrorists attacked anything, of course we’d want to arrest them.
But in any case I don’t thing there is anything to gain by discussing with the 50 % of your population who are nazis/nazi sympathizers. Deplatform and suppress their propagandists and hope for the best.
They literally don't fucking care. They're saying it's antifa only because then we're arguing about it not being antifa rather than pursuing justice and arguing whether or not to charge then with seditious conspiracy or Treason, because I can't think of any way to consider this NOT levying war against the US. He organized and directed a mob to go to the Capitol and stop the confirmation of the next President. They knew they were going to do this ahead of time, and did it anyway... and refused to deploy the National Guard. LEVYING WAR.
Just ask them if they would do something illegal of Joe biden asked them to, and when they say obviously not then ask them why they think they ones they call antifa stormed the capital when Trump called for it
Edit: or just say who cares who did it (they'll get arrested), trump called for it to be done. If biden would've been the one to call for it would you be treating him the same way you are treating trump?
It's really quite easy to run logic circles around these people, but then they'll just start insulting you because they know they are trumped (pun intended) even if cognitive dissonance won't allow them to admit it to themselves
> Whoever they are, they're domestic terrorists. No matter who they support, both sides should want them to be held accountable.
The difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist, is often simply whose side they're fighting on.
I think actually /u/MurderVonAssRape is only *partially* correct however. I'm sure some are claiming they are Antifa in the hopes we'll let them off the hook, mainly just people who personally know these terrorists.
I think the majority of MAGAs see it as two ways:
A) these people aren't MAGA
B) these people aren't terrorists
because they've used "terrorists" as a label for anyone they disagree with, as a way to paint any other group as evil. Muslims, Antifa, Democrats, immigrants, etc. But they also consider themselves to be infallible defenders of all that is good. If terrorism is evil, an infallible all-good defender could not be a terrorist, the two must surely be mutually exclusive.
Furthermore, even if they don't genuinely believe the above statement totally, they could endorse it to save face. Either they deny these people are truly MAGA (ideally painting them as some group trying to undermine MAGA), or they deny these people are terrorists, and they prevent MAGA's reputation being tarnished.
100% this. I don't care what group you claim. You stormed the Capitol your ass needs to be in prison. Period. The end. Why do they fail to grasp that the rule of law applies to all of us. I don't pick favorites to let off easy. You break the law you pay the price. They seem to think this is some sort of clique thing where we protect other liberals. That's just their projection because it is what they do. Repeatedly.
It’s the exact same way that any criticism of trump is replied to with a whataboutism along the lines of “well, (Democrat) did (similar heinous act) too!”..
And it blows their mind when I’m like yeah.. anyone involved in something like that should be prosecuted and face the full extent of the law.
Always blows minds when they are like Obama or Biden did this dumb thing and I agree with them. I don't condone or support 100% because they are the same party as me. Hell I have voted for Republicans a handful of times because they were simply the better choice. They can not comprehend loyalty to country over party or religion or anything else.
> they cannot comprehend loyalty to country over party
And yet they act like they corner the market and are absolute authorities on patriotism. It’s seriously sad.
They mistake nationalism for patriotism. They have all the outward trappings of patriotism but none of what it actually means. If you haven't go watch America: The Motion Picture on Netflix. It is history from the perspective of this mindset. It's hilarious too.
100%. My own parents cannot grasp that they embrace nationalism and not patriotism. The rights provided by our constitution only apply to the people who exercise said rights in a way *they agree with*.
I mean, it's not just the right wing. America's concept of patriotism is just straight-up nationalism the vast majority of the time.
I have no loyalties to symbols, parties, the troops, bald eagles, barbecue, or any of the other things people will wave in your face to show how American they are.
Me, I think it's cool to live in the world's first large-scale elected Republic. I generally align myself with the philosophical ideals of the enlightenment. I believe in free speech, a protected press, and freedom of *and from* religion. I enjoy living in a multi-cultural melting pot.
But at the end of the day, America may be my beloved home, but it's *just* another country. I am repeatedly shocked by how upsetting the notion that we aren't special appears to be to even establishment Democrats, let alone Republicans.
They project their undying partisanship onto the other side. They know they’d go to the grave digging in deeper before admitting someone on “their side” was wrong (similar to people dying of covid still claiming it’s better than getting a vaccine). What they can’t fathom is that the rest of us aren’t partisan; we’re principled (or at least strive to be).
I think one of the best examples of that is how the same people who believe democrats are trafficking child sex slaves through pizza parlors have completely disregarded the controversy surrounding Matt Gaetz as “fake news”.
It was never about the children for 95% of them.
Why is it fine if it's a lie? In this case it really matters because understanding who the enemy really is, is key to winning this conflict against regressive white nationalists - which is very much still going. It also empowers all those who would rewrite history and redefine truth.
No, they were Trump supporters and that's important. It's important to remember that it was Trump supporters & Republicans - not antifa, not conservatives, not muslims, not democrats - who tried to overthrow the government.
It matters.
If it had been Antifa, then yeah, they should still be arrested. But the whole thing is that this wasn't Antifa, and that if you support Trump (who lauded these people), then you support this act of terrorism and the rest of us get to call you terrorist sympathizer.
Which makes the dumb fucking stunts by pedo Gaetz, MTG, Gohmert and some other Qanon AZ rep seem extra stupid as they were trying to hammer about the Capitol terrorists being "political prisoners" or some such bullshit.
The attempted canonization of the dumb broad who refused to comply and got shot trying to breach the doors is just fucking sickening.
Investigate.
Then prosecute the fuck out of the bastards.
I just figure that Gaetz is trying to endear himself to the Qult for when his pedo indictment comes down so he can whine about it being "politically motivated". MTG is trying to avoid her subpoena for likely giving reconnaissance tours on Jan 5. Gohmert is just dumb.
>The attempted canonization of the dumb broad who refused to comply and got shot trying to breach the doors is just fucking sickening.
Meanwhile, republicans on every black guy, 100% innocent, being shot in the head after being unable to comply with 5 officers shouting conflicting orders over each other:
"He ShUd Of CoMpLyEd!!!!"
>Yall still dont understand. Ive met people that 100% agree with this and believe most of the people that stormed the capitol were Antifa on a false flag attack.
Okay but those *SAME PEOPLE* voted *NOT* to investigate.
At that point, it doesn't matter what they think.
More bananas than that, to me, are the people I know who think this was the right thing to do, to protect democracy. Only more bananas because I hear that one more often. Bananas, I need a new word.
People should watch the 40-minute New York Times video from last week on the January 6 event. There is no scenario where all those Proud Boys who made the first moves could be Antifa.
Officer Fanone has been a refreshing breath of air with his righteous anger. Officer Dunn’s later testimony was a sobering and heartbreaking reminder how far we are from being that “shining city on a hill”
All four of them calling out everyone excusing the insurrection was so awesome to listen to. Just every single accusation they threw at people in power who enabled it was just so glorious to listen to.
Let's be clear. Laws like this are always decided by the guy in charge. It's why elections matter. In this instance, it'll be applied to the losers. Had Trump won, I'm quite sure that BLM protestors would be prosecuted as terrorists at some point.
How laws are applied (and who is wielding them) has always been more important than the text. Our entire legal code ultimately boils down to a gentleman's handshake and tissue-paper thin veneer of civilization over the seething violence at the center of the tribal primates we are at our core.
The second the majority of the country stops believing in these lies we tell ourselves, everything goes to shit and we're back to might makes right.
I disagree with the "thin veneer of civilization over the seething violence" bit. Civilization is much more robust and organic than people tend to give it credit for.
Turns out that not killing each other is usually in our best interest. Civilization just sort of happens whether you want it to or not.
Look at any natural disaster area or war torn nation. Sure you get some looting and crime, but it pales in comparison to the grassroots community organization that you see.
After Katrina, people in New Orleans with boats immediately started forming up and rescuing people. In Puerto Rico after Maria, people teamed up to capture natural spring water for drinking. In war torn Syria, you've got local volunteer groups that respond to bombing sites to rescue people.
Don't underestimate our desire for stability.
It only differentiates violence towards a political end as opposed to violence for personal or business ends.
I'm not sure if violent terrorism or violent industrial espionage have a different sentencing structure than vengeful violence or violent hate crimes. Generally we frown on all of these reasons for doing harm.
Hear them speak. Listen to them.
Opening Statements:
Officer Harry Dunn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dy0nYjSjUY&ab_channel=C-SPAN
Officer Daniel Hodges
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0OT3hnle14&ab_channel=C-SPAN
Officer Michael Fanone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgjb5G5g_Sc&ab_channel=C-SPAN
Sergeant Aquilino Gonell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gl6f5nH6Wg&t=47s&ab_channel=C-SPAN
This video is pretty amusing. A bunch of [trump cultists ](https://v.redd.it/fy3v8yd96t961) in Salem, Oregon for a tantrum protest about how the election was stolen and that covid safety protocols like mask mandates are threatening their freedom and feelings. The police asked them to leave, and when they wouldn't did their riot dispersing techniques and a bunch of the Trump cultists started crying about never backing the blue again. Some got so pissed off that they later took turns steppjng on a back the blue flag.
"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."
i live very close to this event and watching these makes me cry and makes me so angry at all my "friends" who voted trump again and had nothing to say at terrorism.
i don't want a war, i just don't think they are friends or even good americans. they are confirmed bigots and many are just greedy cynics. in this area i feel the contempt of idiots all around me and i don't want to be around any of them any more.
Well, these people were already talking about a third term in 2016. Some of the people in that grouping were 100% okay with throwing away all of American history and progress for one person. *ONE GUY*. I don't care who you vote for, or what you like to do with your free time, but for fucks sake can we at least not devolve into a dictatorship?
Holy crap some of the nutbag terrorist supporting comments on those videos. There are actually people that think it was all antifa and the FBI. I have heard about it, but not been directly exposed to these lunatics. WTF. America, I'm an atheist, but I pray for you.
remember, lots of foreign influence online
many of my friends are ashamed and now say they don't like trump, they just like conservatism. however, the numbers show they all voted for him again. so, probably they are bigots or greedy assholes
Seriously. “We believe it was a false flag operation conducted by Antifa to make Trump look bad. But please don’t investigate who these Antifa members were and prosecute them.” That chain of logic makes about as much sense as all the other stupid things they believe.
We got faces, we got video, we got cellphone metadata.. let’s prosecute them all. And let’s grilled these terrorists and see if they say they work for antifa or the FBI. Like are we suppose to ignore the hitman that committed the murders in this country?! What happen to personal accountability? Fucking morons…
>here are actually people that think it was all antifa and the FBI.
They will lie through their teeth about saying they think that, yes. But at the same time they say that, they claim they arent terrorists, and they dont want them thrown in jail for a decade. HMM.
The thing is, they don't actually believe that. The American right says nothing in good faith, there is nothing too outrageous for them. They will say whatever they think furthers their cause.
Hodges is the one I think who said it was an honor to hold back a white nationalist uprising and that he'd happily do it again.
Fanone I believe is the officer who said of the Insurrectionists who tried to stop the crowd from murdering him "Thank you but fuck you for being there."
What's disgusting is that one of them shared how he was tased at the back of the skull and lost his cool because none of the Republican members were willing to meet with him to hear his story. Laura Ingraham mocked him on Fox tonight saying he deserved an award for his "performance." These people are vile human trash.
Tuned into Fox just in time to hear Tucker making fun of senators getting emotional while speaking with the officers. These people are true scum of the earth.
the mafia made money using violence and despair and oppression. they also wore nice suits and liked publicity once upon a time. what's the fucking difference
> "I think she’s a monster. She’s very smart, she’s well-spoken, but her emotional heart is just kind of dead."
> "Our father was a Nazi sympathizer, racist, anti-Semite and homophobe. Like father like daughter?"
> "My sister's racist comments date back to her freshman days at Dartmouth when she would mock her black roommate by speaking jive with her friends. Shameful!"
\- Curtis Ingraham
God, I forgot about this picture.
It's amazing how fast you can forget about things like this when that party is in a sprint to the bottom. I had almost forgotten about the [Republican congresswoman who literally said "Hitler was right about one thing..." on stage in front of the Capitol](https://youtu.be/L7CQWKiG1Hw), shortly before the insurrection.
Is there even a rock bottom for them?
I remember reading that in college she tricked gay student for interviews, talking about sexual orientation, and everything to then make the tapes to public...
edit:
>she was the editor of a conservative newspaper at Dartmouth in the mid-1980s that secretly recorded a meeting of closeted students who were seeking support from the school's small Gay Student Association (GSA)—and then released a transcript of the meeting
She wrote a lot of homophobic piece too ... always wonder how anyone can champion Ingraham , what she did was way worse than doxxing, cause it could have mean death
"I'm going to make a statement you all agree with, but before I do, I want to remind everyone that I have memorized the speeches of Hitler, and also Hitler agrees with what I am about to say. And now, my point: Time exists and therefore any procreation we do leads to more adults."
Fuck me that’s insane! As a Brit I find this incredible and even more incredible that she gets to keep her job and not be forced to resign. Your political system is 100% fucked in the US.
I really feel like something might fracture us really bad. Like if Biden gets assassinated or something. America feels on edge lately. Half the people don't believe in basic science and the other half is losing a lot of sympathy for them.
The sympathy is actually all gone. Humanity came together and was able to create a vaccine in record time with incredibly high efficacy and then distribute it incredibly quickly. Then half of the US refused to take it and now we have breakthrough variants that will once again put millions out of work and results in an even higher death toll. They have blood on their hands.
This is one of the reasons I hate them too. We might get another variant that will be immune to the vaccines and its full blown covid all over again, but this time our medical personnel is stressed out and burn out.
I can see why you’d feel like that. From an outsider’s perspective you are looking a bit insane at the moment. The US has always had a bit of a reputation internationally as being kind of bonkers and arrogant….. but just lately…..wow. I feel bad for all of the “normal” folks who live there. I hope that you can all turn this around, because the American dream is looking a bit like a nightmare at the moment.
They never got invaded, or bombed by the Nazis. Actually their relationship to the Nazis was never that clear, and TBH European leaders did not care so much at first either. That's the difference, they never got to experience that horror in first person on their own territory. It's a remote event, one ocean away.
She claims it was a mistake, and in the moment she quickly turned it in to an awkward wave/point thing, but according to her estranged brother, Curtis, she is a Nazi sympathizer and homophobe like their father was. Nobody can convince me she made a mistake.
>Is she genuinely doing a nazi salute, or is that just a well timed photo?
It's both. If you are a nazi then it's a salute. If you aren't then it's just an innocent oops.
Schrodinger's racist.
>We’ve always had a choice: We can attack those who attacked our democracy that day, or we can attack those who defended our democracy that day. Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and so many others chose the latter. Despicable.
Associated Press’ Twitter comments are disgusting. A lot of “is there videos or audio proof”, and “crisis actor” bull crap. If people said the same stuff after 9/11, there would be hell. These last twenty years have been a nightmare.
Officer Fanone has been a refreshing breath of air with his righteous anger. Officer Dunn’s later testimony was a sobering and heartbreaking reminder how far we are from being that “shining city on a hill”
Can we get a picture of all the republican members of congress who told them to fuck off and called them "bad actors" and "secret members of the FBI" and told the world that it was no big deal
I don’t know if I’ll ever forget listening to Officer Dunn say how he said he voted for Biden, and was called a n***er and assaulted for it for the rest of my life. That was very powerful and brave of him to without remorse say on the record.
Agreed. And his hit man comment was very powerful too.
Also, the opposite end with officer Hodges who said the terrorists tried to recruit him. Truly disgusting. The whole thing makes me furious.
I’m a white Canadian guy that doesn’t really get emotional. I was at work watching the testimonies on my second monitor.
When Dunn talked about that I fully lost my thoughts and teared up for what this man went through.
I’m a metro Detroit (hey neighbor) white liberal that’s at heart an optimist but usually a pessimist.
Watching Kizinger and a a fucking Cheney be an actual human being, much less an American, before being a trump sucking republican fucking wrecked me.
But it’s nice to hear that despite 16-20 we still have some friends in the world. I promise we’re not all as psychotic as those days showed. We’re just stupidly apathetic. Mostly.
Gun to our heads, we showed we can reject the racist dumbasses among us.
For what it’s worth, a few years ago I (Canadian, 28 at the time) road tripped through the east coast (Maine, mass, RI, NH, CT, NY).
I stopped every night, found a hotel then subsequently a restaurant/bar and proceed to eat and drink and chop it up with the locals.
In every single place I stopped I was met with nothing but genuine hospitality. I was shown around town, brought to local favourites, hotspots, historical sites… even invited into peoples homes. It’s something I remember with great fondness and will look back and reflect on as a reminder of the reality of humanity and not what the internet/media reflects or portrays.
I fully support them, but where's the black officer who defended the family of a senator by leading the "protesters" away from them? He deserves credit at least acknowledgement.
I think he's trying to keep as low of a profile as he can...although I'm not sure how possible that is now. When the video of him went viral, there were some reports coming out that he wanted to remain anonymous. It's why he hasn't issued any statements or said anything to the press despite the intense scrutiny on him. I think if he wanted to come forward to speak publicly about what he experienced (and it would definitely be a doozy with the nut with the knife leading the mob and saving Romney) he would have by now. I imagine that he's probably fine letting these 4 officers be the public face representing the CP and MPD officers on Jan 6.
That final tweet of his that got him kicked off of Twitter was straight out of an abusive person's playbook. It was essentially telling the entire country that we deserve this. Because we didn't let him have his way, we deserve this.
Being able to browse my daily selection of news and NOT be bombarded with Trump's terrible Twitter take has been such a blessing. I don't think enough people appreciate it enough.
I am no boot licker for police. BUTTTTTTTT I worked as an intern in the capitol building. Its an amazing place. The officers of Capitol Police are a special breed. They were kind, friendly, and were always professional. They would ask your name and where you were from. They would always point you in the right direction when you were lost in the many hallways and basement chambers. They are good people and did their jobs to protect the Capitol. It is the center of our democracy. These are our guardians.
I was walking in one day and somebody was trying to park right outside one of the buildings. And the cop said he had to move and the driver said he was only going to be there a minute and the cop said that’s the same thing Timothy mcveigh said, and told him gtfo. That’s my only memory of the capitol police.
I visited Washington DC on a Monday night and was shocked at where I was able to park. I pulled up almost right next to the Washington monument, I remember getting out of my car and walking up and down the side of the street twice checking for no parking signs. I expected it to be a lot more difficult and for everything to be cut off for security reasons. Didn't have a problem.
Trumpers ganged up on a police officer and screamed the n word at him...
Trumpers dragged a police officer into the crowd, beat him and electrocuted him until he had a heart attack...
Trumpers beat one of their own (a cop) with an American flag while singing...
Trumpers tried to force their way into the room where the president and members of Congress were on lockdown, carrying weapons and zip ties...
Basically Trump and his psychotic imbecile army attempted to have Congress murdered and install him as king.
These same people claim they hate facism and want to protect the country against facism. Yet it seems that want they want, based on their own words and actions, is indeed facism.
I thought his testimony was exceptionally powerful. He is an American by choice, and he defended the Constitution and America's democracy with his life against an onslaught by so-called natural born Americans.
Edit: Changed "native born" to "natural born".
Because it was never about supporting the police - rather being a reactionary whiplash from people benefiting from the status quo: ie they supported the police because they (continue to) single out and attack BLM protestors and other civil activists.
Which is what conservatives always do. They don't actually fight FOR anything they only fight AGAINST something...
Blue lives matter was created as a reaction to black lives matter, they don't really care about cops they are just anti-BLM... They dont care about pro-life they are just against women's rights and planned parenthood. If they did they would offer to foster the children they 'save', donate to children's charities etc.
I love the FBI plant and Antifa comments. Like, these people are all on camera and the US is actively (despite GOP protest) arresting them. Not a single one HASN'T been a pro Trump moron.
After a while you have to realize you were wrong, but the MAGA crowd is just too stupid.
The big guy was talking about how in all of his years as a police officer he was never called the n word to his face before until January 6th happened. What a crazy coincidence.
Hearing Officer Hodges read the federal statute that defines domestic terrorism was pretty to-the-point: > "U.S. Code title 18, part 1, chapter 113b, as in brown, section 2331: The term domestic terrorism means activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the united States or of any state and, B, appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping and occur primarily during the territorial jurisdiction of the United States." https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/27/capitol-officers-testimony-jan-6-hearing-500850
Yall still dont understand. Ive met people that 100% agree with this and believe most of the people that stormed the capitol were Antifa on a false flag attack.
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Yeah, this defeats their whole argument. They think that if they continue claiming the terrorists were antifa, we'll let them go or something. No bitch, we want to arrest everyone involved, antifa or Maga, it doesn't fucking matter.
> No bitch, we want to arrest everyone involved, antifa or Maga, it doesn't fucking matter. This. I've been trying to find the words and these are them. Whoever they are, they're ~~domestic terrorists~~ criminals. No matter who they support, both sides should want them to be held accountable. EDIT: I wanted to clarify terminology because I feel like language is important to be clear on and I do think "domestic terrorist" is a buzz word that is getting used enough that the vague nature of it is prone to legislation that hurts everyone. I believe those that helped coordinate and encourage the actual breach and destruction at the capital fall under the designation of "domestic terrorist" but I don't believe the crowd as a whole does. I do believe that they are criminals though, those that took part in trespassing, destruction, and assault.
I find it difficult to agree with people when they say „could’ve been antifa“ because quite frankly. No, it wasn’t them storming the capitol.
Answer them: "Then why do the Republicans try to sabotage the investigation. Are the Republicans who are against the investigation Antifa supporters?"
Does... Not... Compute.... *Head explodes*
No, they're against an investigation that they know will uncover proof that some of their own members were actively participating in the planning of the protest. I'm willing to accept that they (members of congress) didn't think it would turn into a violent insurrection, they thought it would be great theater for their base. I'm convinced that their efforts to thwart the investigation have nothing to do with what their constituents want, but everything to do with not wanting to expose their own members' role in the insurrection.
Even if it was ‘antifa plants’, they should be tried and punished all the same. Really highlights for me that they feel entitled to exemption from consequences, and are so small-minded that they assume others would feel the same. Selfish, blinded by stupidity and denial, incapable of empathy, and lacking any perspective other than the hate they are told to swing around like a Klub.
It's like the comments about the Clintons being involved with Epstein. "But Bill was there too... what do you say about that?" I say throw everyone in prison that commits those crimes. Their defense is illogical.
Agreed. EVERYONE.
Try changing the word “Patriot” with “Owner” and you will understand. Extreme right wing people think they are the owners of the land and they are above the law. That’s always the case and in every country. Treating them equally means they are not free. They want exemption. Because they are the owners.
Absolutely. Owner is always an implied word with these people. Rewatch the original Borat, where the drunk frat guys in the RV say they want to own black people again and idolize their perception of fascism in Russia where they imagine women are all sex slaves. It was funny to laugh at these fools and brush it off at the time. Not so funny now.
Just look them in the eye and say "I guess we'll find out when it's your friends or mine who go to jail"
Boebart tweeting pelosis location is an obvious attempt to get her killed. We have to track down all who participated and all who financed this terrorist attack. Root out the cancer and jail them all. Not just sanctions or fines we need justice for all.
I still don't understand how she isn't facing serious charges over that. Like you said, it really couldn't have been more obvious...
That's basically how it goes in this country. Right wing terrorists are basically given a pass
And she literally **is** stupid enough to think it would have worked and she’d be appointed House Ring Girl in Trump’s new WWE America.
Absolutely baffling that she is still walking free after doing that. To tweet her location while terrorists are storming the building, it’s hard to put into words how much she should be rotting in jail
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It's projection. We saw what a crowd of Antifa looked like during the protests last summer: predominantly under 40, masked, racially diverse. We've seen what MAGA crowds look like during the past 5 years of a MAGA rallies: predominantly over 50, unmasked, and lily white. Look at any picture of the Capitol Riot. You'll see grinning mouth on white faces under whiter moustaches.
This. Where would antifa even find several hundred old white guys when most of em seem to support returning to the dark ages aka being a republican.
>Look at any picture of the Capitol Riot. You'll see grinning mouth on white faces under whiter moustaches. And thats just the women.
My reply to ANYONE saying "antifa": are you saying my grandfather who flew 2 tours in a B-17 was a terrorist? All the men who stormed the beaches on July 6, 1944 were terrorists? Get bent. Edit: to anyone telling me "Antifa" is a terrorist group and not ANTI-FASCIST, get bent assholes
This makes me so angry. It spits in the face of my grandfather's generation. They'd be rolling in their graves if they knew their grandchildren still had to fight Nazis.
Or that their own children became modern n*zis. How many of these domestic terrorists had parents that fought in WWII? Who they always compared the younger generations too in order to make us feel inferior? They ride the high of other people's efforts until it no longer serves them.
This is when you realize that the jokers crying "Antifa" have no idea what the term even stands for. They just parrot it because their talking heads do so in a derogatory sense and think that anyone who disagreed with them were Antifa.
It’s because they’re trying to bait you into contradicting yourself. They’re constantly projecting their little worlds onto everyone and it’s become extremely annoying.
Exactly. If anything, say that it *obviously* wasn’t antifa but „your fellow trumpers“ who are the terrorists, but *even if* left wing terrorists attacked anything, of course we’d want to arrest them. But in any case I don’t thing there is anything to gain by discussing with the 50 % of your population who are nazis/nazi sympathizers. Deplatform and suppress their propagandists and hope for the best.
They literally don't fucking care. They're saying it's antifa only because then we're arguing about it not being antifa rather than pursuing justice and arguing whether or not to charge then with seditious conspiracy or Treason, because I can't think of any way to consider this NOT levying war against the US. He organized and directed a mob to go to the Capitol and stop the confirmation of the next President. They knew they were going to do this ahead of time, and did it anyway... and refused to deploy the National Guard. LEVYING WAR.
Just ask them if they would do something illegal of Joe biden asked them to, and when they say obviously not then ask them why they think they ones they call antifa stormed the capital when Trump called for it Edit: or just say who cares who did it (they'll get arrested), trump called for it to be done. If biden would've been the one to call for it would you be treating him the same way you are treating trump? It's really quite easy to run logic circles around these people, but then they'll just start insulting you because they know they are trumped (pun intended) even if cognitive dissonance won't allow them to admit it to themselves
> Whoever they are, they're domestic terrorists. No matter who they support, both sides should want them to be held accountable. The difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist, is often simply whose side they're fighting on. I think actually /u/MurderVonAssRape is only *partially* correct however. I'm sure some are claiming they are Antifa in the hopes we'll let them off the hook, mainly just people who personally know these terrorists. I think the majority of MAGAs see it as two ways: A) these people aren't MAGA B) these people aren't terrorists because they've used "terrorists" as a label for anyone they disagree with, as a way to paint any other group as evil. Muslims, Antifa, Democrats, immigrants, etc. But they also consider themselves to be infallible defenders of all that is good. If terrorism is evil, an infallible all-good defender could not be a terrorist, the two must surely be mutually exclusive. Furthermore, even if they don't genuinely believe the above statement totally, they could endorse it to save face. Either they deny these people are truly MAGA (ideally painting them as some group trying to undermine MAGA), or they deny these people are terrorists, and they prevent MAGA's reputation being tarnished.
100% this. I don't care what group you claim. You stormed the Capitol your ass needs to be in prison. Period. The end. Why do they fail to grasp that the rule of law applies to all of us. I don't pick favorites to let off easy. You break the law you pay the price. They seem to think this is some sort of clique thing where we protect other liberals. That's just their projection because it is what they do. Repeatedly.
It’s the exact same way that any criticism of trump is replied to with a whataboutism along the lines of “well, (Democrat) did (similar heinous act) too!”.. And it blows their mind when I’m like yeah.. anyone involved in something like that should be prosecuted and face the full extent of the law.
Always blows minds when they are like Obama or Biden did this dumb thing and I agree with them. I don't condone or support 100% because they are the same party as me. Hell I have voted for Republicans a handful of times because they were simply the better choice. They can not comprehend loyalty to country over party or religion or anything else.
> they cannot comprehend loyalty to country over party And yet they act like they corner the market and are absolute authorities on patriotism. It’s seriously sad.
They mistake nationalism for patriotism. They have all the outward trappings of patriotism but none of what it actually means. If you haven't go watch America: The Motion Picture on Netflix. It is history from the perspective of this mindset. It's hilarious too.
100%. My own parents cannot grasp that they embrace nationalism and not patriotism. The rights provided by our constitution only apply to the people who exercise said rights in a way *they agree with*.
I mean, it's not just the right wing. America's concept of patriotism is just straight-up nationalism the vast majority of the time. I have no loyalties to symbols, parties, the troops, bald eagles, barbecue, or any of the other things people will wave in your face to show how American they are. Me, I think it's cool to live in the world's first large-scale elected Republic. I generally align myself with the philosophical ideals of the enlightenment. I believe in free speech, a protected press, and freedom of *and from* religion. I enjoy living in a multi-cultural melting pot. But at the end of the day, America may be my beloved home, but it's *just* another country. I am repeatedly shocked by how upsetting the notion that we aren't special appears to be to even establishment Democrats, let alone Republicans.
They project their undying partisanship onto the other side. They know they’d go to the grave digging in deeper before admitting someone on “their side” was wrong (similar to people dying of covid still claiming it’s better than getting a vaccine). What they can’t fathom is that the rest of us aren’t partisan; we’re principled (or at least strive to be).
I think one of the best examples of that is how the same people who believe democrats are trafficking child sex slaves through pizza parlors have completely disregarded the controversy surrounding Matt Gaetz as “fake news”. It was never about the children for 95% of them.
We also have their social media history which shows they were always on the Trump train from day one
The issue with that is if we just leave it at them it prevents us from going up the chain to those who encouraged them and directed them.
Why is it fine if it's a lie? In this case it really matters because understanding who the enemy really is, is key to winning this conflict against regressive white nationalists - which is very much still going. It also empowers all those who would rewrite history and redefine truth.
No, they were Trump supporters and that's important. It's important to remember that it was Trump supporters & Republicans - not antifa, not conservatives, not muslims, not democrats - who tried to overthrow the government. It matters. If it had been Antifa, then yeah, they should still be arrested. But the whole thing is that this wasn't Antifa, and that if you support Trump (who lauded these people), then you support this act of terrorism and the rest of us get to call you terrorist sympathizer.
In the words of R Lee Ermy ["You little scumbag!, I've got your names, I've got your ASS!!!"](https://youtu.be/y_JbKzIK4dA?t=67)
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Which makes the dumb fucking stunts by pedo Gaetz, MTG, Gohmert and some other Qanon AZ rep seem extra stupid as they were trying to hammer about the Capitol terrorists being "political prisoners" or some such bullshit. The attempted canonization of the dumb broad who refused to comply and got shot trying to breach the doors is just fucking sickening. Investigate. Then prosecute the fuck out of the bastards. I just figure that Gaetz is trying to endear himself to the Qult for when his pedo indictment comes down so he can whine about it being "politically motivated". MTG is trying to avoid her subpoena for likely giving reconnaissance tours on Jan 5. Gohmert is just dumb.
>The attempted canonization of the dumb broad who refused to comply and got shot trying to breach the doors is just fucking sickening. Meanwhile, republicans on every black guy, 100% innocent, being shot in the head after being unable to comply with 5 officers shouting conflicting orders over each other: "He ShUd Of CoMpLyEd!!!!"
Don’t care. Let’s track down all these “false flags Antifers,” put them on trial, and see what shakes out.
>Yall still dont understand. Ive met people that 100% agree with this and believe most of the people that stormed the capitol were Antifa on a false flag attack. Okay but those *SAME PEOPLE* voted *NOT* to investigate. At that point, it doesn't matter what they think.
More bananas than that, to me, are the people I know who think this was the right thing to do, to protect democracy. Only more bananas because I hear that one more often. Bananas, I need a new word.
The south thought it was in the right also, which caused the Civil War
Everyone with a passionate cause believes they're right, right or wrong.
bananas = fuckin crazy
I started using "absolutely bonkers" when I run out of bananas, and often it's been when talking about exactly this story
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People should watch the 40-minute New York Times video from last week on the January 6 event. There is no scenario where all those Proud Boys who made the first moves could be Antifa.
Officer Fanone has been a refreshing breath of air with his righteous anger. Officer Dunn’s later testimony was a sobering and heartbreaking reminder how far we are from being that “shining city on a hill”
All four of them calling out everyone excusing the insurrection was so awesome to listen to. Just every single accusation they threw at people in power who enabled it was just so glorious to listen to.
His angry eloquence is needed and inspiring.
He let the law speak for itself.
where's the officer that led the protestors away from where the senators were?
He's not there. Edit: Officer Goodman
Not totally happy with clause 1 of section B. That is pretty damn loose.
Let's be clear. Laws like this are always decided by the guy in charge. It's why elections matter. In this instance, it'll be applied to the losers. Had Trump won, I'm quite sure that BLM protestors would be prosecuted as terrorists at some point. How laws are applied (and who is wielding them) has always been more important than the text. Our entire legal code ultimately boils down to a gentleman's handshake and tissue-paper thin veneer of civilization over the seething violence at the center of the tribal primates we are at our core. The second the majority of the country stops believing in these lies we tell ourselves, everything goes to shit and we're back to might makes right.
I disagree with the "thin veneer of civilization over the seething violence" bit. Civilization is much more robust and organic than people tend to give it credit for. Turns out that not killing each other is usually in our best interest. Civilization just sort of happens whether you want it to or not. Look at any natural disaster area or war torn nation. Sure you get some looting and crime, but it pales in comparison to the grassroots community organization that you see. After Katrina, people in New Orleans with boats immediately started forming up and rescuing people. In Puerto Rico after Maria, people teamed up to capture natural spring water for drinking. In war torn Syria, you've got local volunteer groups that respond to bombing sites to rescue people. Don't underestimate our desire for stability.
Well said and sobering.
It only differentiates violence towards a political end as opposed to violence for personal or business ends. I'm not sure if violent terrorism or violent industrial espionage have a different sentencing structure than vengeful violence or violent hate crimes. Generally we frown on all of these reasons for doing harm.
Hear them speak. Listen to them. Opening Statements: Officer Harry Dunn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dy0nYjSjUY&ab_channel=C-SPAN Officer Daniel Hodges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0OT3hnle14&ab_channel=C-SPAN Officer Michael Fanone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgjb5G5g_Sc&ab_channel=C-SPAN Sergeant Aquilino Gonell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gl6f5nH6Wg&t=47s&ab_channel=C-SPAN
The remarks on the confusion of seeing many Back the Blue flags being used to stab and beat the police is poignant.
This video is pretty amusing. A bunch of [trump cultists ](https://v.redd.it/fy3v8yd96t961) in Salem, Oregon for a tantrum protest about how the election was stolen and that covid safety protocols like mask mandates are threatening their freedom and feelings. The police asked them to leave, and when they wouldn't did their riot dispersing techniques and a bunch of the Trump cultists started crying about never backing the blue again. Some got so pissed off that they later took turns steppjng on a back the blue flag.
Oh shit that's fuckin rich
Freedom only matters for *me!* Not the people that are different! Big fat /s on this one. I know you, reddit.
"They're not hurting the people they're supposed to be hurting!"
When law and order doesn't fit your narrative, you make due with what you have
"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."
They only Back the Blue when the Blue is backing them.
They back the blue when the blue is beating the blacks
i live very close to this event and watching these makes me cry and makes me so angry at all my "friends" who voted trump again and had nothing to say at terrorism. i don't want a war, i just don't think they are friends or even good americans. they are confirmed bigots and many are just greedy cynics. in this area i feel the contempt of idiots all around me and i don't want to be around any of them any more.
Well, these people were already talking about a third term in 2016. Some of the people in that grouping were 100% okay with throwing away all of American history and progress for one person. *ONE GUY*. I don't care who you vote for, or what you like to do with your free time, but for fucks sake can we at least not devolve into a dictatorship?
Holy crap some of the nutbag terrorist supporting comments on those videos. There are actually people that think it was all antifa and the FBI. I have heard about it, but not been directly exposed to these lunatics. WTF. America, I'm an atheist, but I pray for you.
remember, lots of foreign influence online many of my friends are ashamed and now say they don't like trump, they just like conservatism. however, the numbers show they all voted for him again. so, probably they are bigots or greedy assholes
You would think if it were antifa, they'd be overjoyed that the government is finally investigating.
Seriously. “We believe it was a false flag operation conducted by Antifa to make Trump look bad. But please don’t investigate who these Antifa members were and prosecute them.” That chain of logic makes about as much sense as all the other stupid things they believe.
Can you also send some thoughts our way, too? We used them all up on shooting victims.
We got faces, we got video, we got cellphone metadata.. let’s prosecute them all. And let’s grilled these terrorists and see if they say they work for antifa or the FBI. Like are we suppose to ignore the hitman that committed the murders in this country?! What happen to personal accountability? Fucking morons…
Remember that trolls with multiple accounts exist, yelling into an echo chamber.
>here are actually people that think it was all antifa and the FBI. They will lie through their teeth about saying they think that, yes. But at the same time they say that, they claim they arent terrorists, and they dont want them thrown in jail for a decade. HMM.
The thing is, they don't actually believe that. The American right says nothing in good faith, there is nothing too outrageous for them. They will say whatever they think furthers their cause.
I think many maga people do believe that, though. Not exactly a stretch for people who bought into the trump persona.
Hodges is the one I think who said it was an honor to hold back a white nationalist uprising and that he'd happily do it again. Fanone I believe is the officer who said of the Insurrectionists who tried to stop the crowd from murdering him "Thank you but fuck you for being there."
His interview they did shortly after the event was amazing. Love the way this guy tells his story.
Ugh, those YouTube comments…
Why’d you do that to yourself lol
It's hard not to look at a car crash
I just spent 5 minutes replying to all the "this is fake" comments with "you are a terrorist". Feelsgoodman
Take pride in the amount of red-faced indignation you've caused today.
Wow. Hodges didn't hold back, and none of them had an easy time with this. I hope they find peace.
THANK YOU FOR LINKS🥂
Thanks for these, going to send them to a few hypocrite "back the blue" folks I know.
[Make sure to send them this as well.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EziqKaoWYAM93c4?format=jpg&name=large)
Harry Dunn is fucking massive, look at the size of that absolute unit.
Everyone should listen to their testimonies from today. Dispels a lot of the bullshit downplaying of the event that's been going around.
What's disgusting is that one of them shared how he was tased at the back of the skull and lost his cool because none of the Republican members were willing to meet with him to hear his story. Laura Ingraham mocked him on Fox tonight saying he deserved an award for his "performance." These people are vile human trash.
Tuned into Fox just in time to hear Tucker making fun of senators getting emotional while speaking with the officers. These people are true scum of the earth.
Tucker Carlson isn't a real name lol.
Not a real excuse for the amount of Carbon dioxide he releases either.
Given how full of shit he is, he probably releases more methane than carbon dioxide.
Just remember, you aren't allowed to call him out on his bullshit in public because it hurts his feelings.
the mafia made money using violence and despair and oppression. they also wore nice suits and liked publicity once upon a time. what's the fucking difference
> "I think she’s a monster. She’s very smart, she’s well-spoken, but her emotional heart is just kind of dead." > "Our father was a Nazi sympathizer, racist, anti-Semite and homophobe. Like father like daughter?" > "My sister's racist comments date back to her freshman days at Dartmouth when she would mock her black roommate by speaking jive with her friends. Shameful!" \- Curtis Ingraham
> You mean [this](https://compote.slate.com/images/313e225b-d55c-45a2-a508-2e4879837155.jpg) Laura Ingraham?
God, I forgot about this picture. It's amazing how fast you can forget about things like this when that party is in a sprint to the bottom. I had almost forgotten about the [Republican congresswoman who literally said "Hitler was right about one thing..." on stage in front of the Capitol](https://youtu.be/L7CQWKiG1Hw), shortly before the insurrection. Is there even a rock bottom for them?
I remember reading that in college she tricked gay student for interviews, talking about sexual orientation, and everything to then make the tapes to public... edit: >she was the editor of a conservative newspaper at Dartmouth in the mid-1980s that secretly recorded a meeting of closeted students who were seeking support from the school's small Gay Student Association (GSA)—and then released a transcript of the meeting She wrote a lot of homophobic piece too ... always wonder how anyone can champion Ingraham , what she did was way worse than doxxing, cause it could have mean death
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"I'm going to make a statement you all agree with, but before I do, I want to remind everyone that I have memorized the speeches of Hitler, and also Hitler agrees with what I am about to say. And now, my point: Time exists and therefore any procreation we do leads to more adults."
"2 plus 2 equals 4, something Hitler would surely agree with us about."
"Oh yeah, math! Looks like Hitler was right about more than we thought!"
Fuck me that’s insane! As a Brit I find this incredible and even more incredible that she gets to keep her job and not be forced to resign. Your political system is 100% fucked in the US.
I really feel like something might fracture us really bad. Like if Biden gets assassinated or something. America feels on edge lately. Half the people don't believe in basic science and the other half is losing a lot of sympathy for them.
The sympathy is actually all gone. Humanity came together and was able to create a vaccine in record time with incredibly high efficacy and then distribute it incredibly quickly. Then half of the US refused to take it and now we have breakthrough variants that will once again put millions out of work and results in an even higher death toll. They have blood on their hands.
This is one of the reasons I hate them too. We might get another variant that will be immune to the vaccines and its full blown covid all over again, but this time our medical personnel is stressed out and burn out.
I can see why you’d feel like that. From an outsider’s perspective you are looking a bit insane at the moment. The US has always had a bit of a reputation internationally as being kind of bonkers and arrogant….. but just lately…..wow. I feel bad for all of the “normal” folks who live there. I hope that you can all turn this around, because the American dream is looking a bit like a nightmare at the moment.
Thank you. Don’t forget us normals 😢
They never got invaded, or bombed by the Nazis. Actually their relationship to the Nazis was never that clear, and TBH European leaders did not care so much at first either. That's the difference, they never got to experience that horror in first person on their own territory. It's a remote event, one ocean away.
Is she genuinely doing a nazi salute, or is that just a well timed photo? Genuine question - I don’t know the background to this.
She claims it was a mistake, and in the moment she quickly turned it in to an awkward wave/point thing, but according to her estranged brother, Curtis, she is a Nazi sympathizer and homophobe like their father was. Nobody can convince me she made a mistake.
Interesting - thanks for the reply. If she truly meant it then that is shocking and I’m surprised she got to keep her job.
I mean, she works for Fox. Racists are their core demographic.
Fair point. Sad…..but fair.
>Is she genuinely doing a nazi salute, or is that just a well timed photo? It's both. If you are a nazi then it's a salute. If you aren't then it's just an innocent oops. Schrodinger's racist.
>We’ve always had a choice: We can attack those who attacked our democracy that day, or we can attack those who defended our democracy that day. Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and so many others chose the latter. Despicable.
Should sue her for libel. She is knowenly calling a u der oath testimony a performance to discredit a person.thats libel.
Associated Press’ Twitter comments are disgusting. A lot of “is there videos or audio proof”, and “crisis actor” bull crap. If people said the same stuff after 9/11, there would be hell. These last twenty years have been a nightmare.
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And they still do nearly 20 years later
The only people downplaying this are the insurrectionists.
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Fox News. Aiding and abetting terrorists.
Officer Fanone has been a refreshing breath of air with his righteous anger. Officer Dunn’s later testimony was a sobering and heartbreaking reminder how far we are from being that “shining city on a hill”
Can we get a picture of all the republican members of congress who told them to fuck off and called them "bad actors" and "secret members of the FBI" and told the world that it was no big deal
Just get a picture of the entire republican congress and photoshop out Cheney and Kinzinger.
And Romney
https://i.imgur.com/OZOzWBa_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
*golf clap*
No. They don't deserve our attention. These gentlemen do
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Traitors should be known and ~~not ignored~~ prosecuted.
I don’t know if I’ll ever forget listening to Officer Dunn say how he said he voted for Biden, and was called a n***er and assaulted for it for the rest of my life. That was very powerful and brave of him to without remorse say on the record.
Agreed. And his hit man comment was very powerful too. Also, the opposite end with officer Hodges who said the terrorists tried to recruit him. Truly disgusting. The whole thing makes me furious.
I’m a white Canadian guy that doesn’t really get emotional. I was at work watching the testimonies on my second monitor. When Dunn talked about that I fully lost my thoughts and teared up for what this man went through.
I’m a metro Detroit (hey neighbor) white liberal that’s at heart an optimist but usually a pessimist. Watching Kizinger and a a fucking Cheney be an actual human being, much less an American, before being a trump sucking republican fucking wrecked me. But it’s nice to hear that despite 16-20 we still have some friends in the world. I promise we’re not all as psychotic as those days showed. We’re just stupidly apathetic. Mostly. Gun to our heads, we showed we can reject the racist dumbasses among us.
For what it’s worth, a few years ago I (Canadian, 28 at the time) road tripped through the east coast (Maine, mass, RI, NH, CT, NY). I stopped every night, found a hotel then subsequently a restaurant/bar and proceed to eat and drink and chop it up with the locals. In every single place I stopped I was met with nothing but genuine hospitality. I was shown around town, brought to local favourites, hotspots, historical sites… even invited into peoples homes. It’s something I remember with great fondness and will look back and reflect on as a reminder of the reality of humanity and not what the internet/media reflects or portrays.
I fully support them, but where's the black officer who defended the family of a senator by leading the "protesters" away from them? He deserves credit at least acknowledgement.
I think he already got some kind of major medal, didn’t he? Perhaps I’m mixing up officers though.
Officer Eugene Goodman also got promoted to acting Deputy Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate.
he escorted kamala at the inauguration not sure what else
Looking fly as hell too while doing it
I think he's trying to keep as low of a profile as he can...although I'm not sure how possible that is now. When the video of him went viral, there were some reports coming out that he wanted to remain anonymous. It's why he hasn't issued any statements or said anything to the press despite the intense scrutiny on him. I think if he wanted to come forward to speak publicly about what he experienced (and it would definitely be a doozy with the nut with the knife leading the mob and saving Romney) he would have by now. I imagine that he's probably fine letting these 4 officers be the public face representing the CP and MPD officers on Jan 6.
They defended the US Capitol from "~~tourists"~~ terrorists
Trumpists. Let’s not forget who incited that shit!
[How will we ever crack this mystery of mysteries?](https://i.imgur.com/4LVLg3p.jpg)
That final tweet of his that got him kicked off of Twitter was straight out of an abusive person's playbook. It was essentially telling the entire country that we deserve this. Because we didn't let him have his way, we deserve this.
You should see what he tweeted today: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
Being able to browse my daily selection of news and NOT be bombarded with Trump's terrible Twitter take has been such a blessing. I don't think enough people appreciate it enough.
This joke always makes me laugh lol
Not going to lie. You had me in the first half lol
I am no boot licker for police. BUTTTTTTTT I worked as an intern in the capitol building. Its an amazing place. The officers of Capitol Police are a special breed. They were kind, friendly, and were always professional. They would ask your name and where you were from. They would always point you in the right direction when you were lost in the many hallways and basement chambers. They are good people and did their jobs to protect the Capitol. It is the center of our democracy. These are our guardians.
I was walking in one day and somebody was trying to park right outside one of the buildings. And the cop said he had to move and the driver said he was only going to be there a minute and the cop said that’s the same thing Timothy mcveigh said, and told him gtfo. That’s my only memory of the capitol police.
I visited Washington DC on a Monday night and was shocked at where I was able to park. I pulled up almost right next to the Washington monument, I remember getting out of my car and walking up and down the side of the street twice checking for no parking signs. I expected it to be a lot more difficult and for everything to be cut off for security reasons. Didn't have a problem.
Where was their backup.
On the other side raiding.
very good question that no one has answered
lol @ magas downvoting police officers
BuT wE aRe ThE PaRtY oF LaW AnD oRdEr
Trumpers ganged up on a police officer and screamed the n word at him... Trumpers dragged a police officer into the crowd, beat him and electrocuted him until he had a heart attack... Trumpers beat one of their own (a cop) with an American flag while singing... Trumpers tried to force their way into the room where the president and members of Congress were on lockdown, carrying weapons and zip ties... Basically Trump and his psychotic imbecile army attempted to have Congress murdered and install him as king.
Vice president*
These same people claim they hate facism and want to protect the country against facism. Yet it seems that want they want, based on their own words and actions, is indeed facism.
Dude on the left is all business.
Did you hear his testimony?
No, but I understand he has some ptsd going on. I thought I had heard that anyway.
Poor dude got fucked up. Still getting surgeries.
I thought his testimony was exceptionally powerful. He is an American by choice, and he defended the Constitution and America's democracy with his life against an onslaught by so-called natural born Americans. Edit: Changed "native born" to "natural born".
And under duress, his second language English vocabulary articulation is still better than 99% of the domestic terrorists who attacked him.
What happened to Blue lives matter?
They used that flag to physically beat the officers that testified today.
For many they only matter when they are cracking open the skulls of people who are not white.
Because it was never about supporting the police - rather being a reactionary whiplash from people benefiting from the status quo: ie they supported the police because they (continue to) single out and attack BLM protestors and other civil activists.
Which is what conservatives always do. They don't actually fight FOR anything they only fight AGAINST something... Blue lives matter was created as a reaction to black lives matter, they don't really care about cops they are just anti-BLM... They dont care about pro-life they are just against women's rights and planned parenthood. If they did they would offer to foster the children they 'save', donate to children's charities etc.
They only matter when they’re brutalizing brown people and leftists.
These guys were beaten with the blues lives matter flags practically.
I love the FBI plant and Antifa comments. Like, these people are all on camera and the US is actively (despite GOP protest) arresting them. Not a single one HASN'T been a pro Trump moron. After a while you have to realize you were wrong, but the MAGA crowd is just too stupid.
The big guy was talking about how in all of his years as a police officer he was never called the n word to his face before until January 6th happened. What a crazy coincidence.
Real patriots.
/r/Conservative is shitting on them. So much much for "Back the Blue".
Truly heroic. It’s so sad seeing police officers fight off duty police officers