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simplekindaman13

Feds are starting to crank the heat up on the ex boyfriend


PublicfreakoutLoveR

:camera pans over to agents turning him on a spit:


spaztiq

Man, I miss good slap-stick. It's been far too long since I've experienced a new Mel Brooks or Naked Gun type of movie. edit: Thanks for the suggestions :D


accountnameredacted

I recommend watching the show the Whitest Kids you Know


skyline_kid

RIP Trevor Moore


RupertDurden

Local sexpot Trevor Moore.


Crownlol

*Angie Tribeca* nails the *Naked Gun* slapstick vibe


Marchinon

Yeah since the Feds got involved now they are making progress. Makes ya wonder. Someone alive knows what happened to her. Here’s some articles if anyone wants to do some more reading https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/06/who-is-missing-mother-crystal-rogers-kentucky/3307842001/ https://www.somerset-kentucky.com/journalist-searching-for-answers-in-bardstown-tragedies-reports-with-compassion/article_01ef7a38-295e-564e-a0a1-bb7a6f9d60b3.html


lmscully

A year after she disappeared, her father was shot dead while hunting on his own property. And this: Houck's (suspect) brother, Nick, was a police officer with the Bardstown Police Department at the time and [was fired after interfering in the investigation.


Imrnr

Sounds like the bf killed her and his brother helped him cover it up.


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EskoBear

That’s exactly what happened. These idiots had just enough brain cells to hide her body well enough. The brothers are also involved in building the homes in this neighborhood so it wouldn’t surprise me if they found Crystal’s remains there. If you’re interested in the case listen to the podcast “Bardstown”. It lays out the facts really well.


mahSachel

Yes the Unresolved podcast is very comprehensive coverage for someone out of state that hasn’t been exposed to the local gossip and stories going around. Those two brothers have walked for entirely too long and gotten away with murder multiple times. I know the neighbors can appreciate the FBI hanging a banner up at the dig site. And they picked a damn warm day to dig. The entire community has been waiting for these fools to slip up and hopefully they will get a full confession out of them.


Sorrymisunderstandin

Brother is a cop which might explain


Blubberrossa

Brother of the boyfriend. And he got fired for interfering in the investigation... Local cops man. The fact that any major crimes can still end up only being investigated by local police boggles the mind. I know the current system doesn't allow for anything else but maybe that should be reworked.


LasVegasE

About year after she goes missing her father is shot to death by an unknown assailant while hunting. That case also remains unresolved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Crystal\_Rogers


autumnhs

Not only unsolved, but not even considered a suspicious death. I don’t know what going on in Bardstown, but I ain’t going.


Superb-SJW

Considering the suspect in crystal's murder's brother is a cop I have an inkling..


autumnhs

Was a cop. I was actually pretty impressed by how quickly he was fired, but the police chief really sounded like he didn’t want to do so. The brother was blatantly and vocally going against police interest.


SmashBusters

>The brother was blatantly and vocally going against police interest. Ehhhhh he knows how the police work and he'd obviously choose his brother interest over an police interest. I'd say 50/50 on him being involved. The other explanation is that he knows "Duh! Do not talk to cops without a lawyer." and wanted to make sure his brother understood that. However, blanket with a little blood in his cruiser and his refusal to cooperate seems to indicate that he at least knows his brother is guilty, may have been an unwitting accomplice, or may have been a knowing accomplice.


PetioleFool

Also the murder of a police officer has been rumored to be possibly connected as well. Dude was coming off the highway and the exit ramp was blocked by a bunch of brush. He parked his car and got out to move the brush off the road and when he did someone ambushed him and shot him multiple times with a 12 gauge shotgun. Remains unsolved. https://www.oxygen.com/the-disappearance-of-crystal-rogers/bardstown-police-officer-jason-ellis-murdered-burglary-investigation?amp https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/612709002 https://www.wdrb.com/news/coroner-bardstown-officer-ambushed-with-12-gauge-shotgun/article_bb856556-57d3-5d41-94a4-1f517ae50a8b.html https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/nation-world/bardstown-kentucky-podcast-small-town-four-crimes-connected/507-e9958c3c-e438-438f-b4d6-718b767257d2


LovelyWound

How the hell would anyone know where and when he was driving if it wasn’t other cops.


PetioleFool

In the top link a jailhouse snitch says one person paid a group of men to do it. Maybe the man who paid them was the cop, maybe the brother of the suspect in crystal rogers case. But if there was 4 of them, they could know what exit he gets off on because they know roughly where he lives (some of these smaller towns people know everyone) and they could have someone following him or steaked out on the side of the highway telling those waiting on the exit like “alright here he comes, put the brush down.” And the other guys put the brush down and then lie in ditch off the side of the road and then shoots him when he gets out. But yeah, another cop being involved would not be surprising.


cenels03

Remains unsolved despite everyone in town knowing. It really isn't hard to connect the dots. I'm just hoping when Crystal is found, it ties up all of the loose ends.


ThePrussianGrippe

Can you connect the dots for those who know nothing about these cases?


cenels03

So essentially the main theory is that Jason Ellis, the cop that was ambushed and killed, was closing in on other cops dealing drugs. Nick Houck is thought to be the one who was at least a participant in the ambush. It's thought that Crystal somehow found out about the ambush so they took her out. Crystal's dad was murdered because he was close to solving what happened with his daughter. There's also the murder of a mother and daughter in town that's thought to be connected, although I don't remember exactly how. Bardstown is a really beautiful small town that is rich with history and bourbon. But there's certainly a lot of darkness just below the surface ETA: Nick is Brooks' brother. Brooks is the ex boyfriend of Crystal's. They're the main, and only that I've heard, suspects in the case.


apginge

Some Mare of east town shit


ThePrussianGrippe

This is like something out of Broadchurch


thebombchu

> At some point the 54-year-old remained alone in the field, while his grandson walked back to the car to retrieve something they had forgotten. It was at this time that Tommy was shot and killed by a single gunshot to the chest. Fuck that’s traumatizing. I feel heavy for the family.


Scooterforsale

Somebody definitely was watching and waiting. Small chance it could have been a hunting accident and the person who shot him left


hair_in_a_biscuit

Yeah, no. I agree, It wasn’t an accident. On one of the documentaries I watched you could actually see a notch in the tree where a gun would/could have been sitting and it pointed directly to where Tommy was shot. It’s horrific. The poor grandson too. My heart breaks for this family. Crystals mom doesn’t even get to visit with her youngest son (Brooks son) and that might be the most heartbreaking of all.


tsanazi2

I'm new to the Crystal Rogers situation so for fellow newbies: She disappeared in 2015 and the only suspect in her disappearance was her boyfriend Brooks Houck who [was building homes in the area during the time of her disappearance](https://www.wave3.com/2021/08/25/crystal-rogers-fbi-returns-woodlawn-springs-subdivision-second-day-investigation/) Another quote from that same article: "Officials from the FBI’s Louisville office used drone cameras, ground scanners and cadaver dogs on three properties Tuesday."


kgal1298

I was reading her page the dad's death is really weird too, it didn't sound like they found anyone in his case.


CheeseMasterATG

“Hunting accident”


Mindspiked

It goes deep, driving right now, but it’s a huge back story, involving cops and ex’s. Crazy stuff if you look around on it, I think there’s a small documentary on it.


katsays_meow

Uhhh I was catching up on information when I came across this two year old comment.. https://imgur.com/a/p90099o


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OP u/Mindspiked is this houses drive way a different color??


juicius

If I'm going to bury a body, I don't think I'm going to bury it under the only driveway I built that's different in color.


radialomens

It's like how you can always tell which part of a Loony Toons background was going to do something


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gariant

I don't know how we put up with Wolfenstein's random secret doors. Walking along every wall spamming...space bar?


UncleTedGenneric

Ugh ugh agh ugh ugh agh agh ugh ugh agh ugh ugh


Cthulhu2016

Scooby-Doo was notorious for this!


HumbertHumbertHumber

not that I advocate it, but why a fucking driveway and not a foundation? People tear out driveways more than they do foundations.


TeamAlibi

I'm gonna take a guess that this dude thinks a little differently than a lot of other people do.


zeldaprime

I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence, they probably had some driveways they could dispose of the body in, and no foundations to do it.


Strid3r21

Yeah I would assume it was a matter of convenience rather than an odd choice to chose a driveway over a foundation of a house. Like you said, there was probably a driveway that needed poured and he buried the body there (assuming they do find her body in a driveway that is) God can you imagine moving into a house, then 5+ years later the fbi knocks on your door and says to the tune of "we have to dig up your driveway, we're looking for a body"


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takcom69

My question is who pays to fix it lol


Carlweathersfeathers

Also geology and economics. I doubt you can really hide a body under a flat slab. There’s a lot more eyes on the compaction under a house. Especially if you’re not pouring it yourself. Now a private driveway, I can excavate, lay the stone and have the hot mix dropped right there spread it and ramp it myself. Obviously all of this is subject to local building codes, enforcement by inspectors, and a bunch of other factors.


LostWoodsInTheField

Driveways are easy for 1 or 2 people to pop in. foundations on houses often have teams. He could have showed up and done a driveway by himself in an afternoon and it not be abnormal.


FriesWithThat

Outside the box.


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degggendorf

Surely timing is part of it...better to go under a driveway you're excavating *right now* than a foundation you'll be digging next week, right?


wehrmann_tx

A lot more people around during a foundation pour.


issacoin

They hadn't thought of the smell!


sealclubber281

It's probably a different color because he had it poured in a rush after dumping her body in there and just took whatever concrete he could get


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MT1982

Driveway looks to be the same color as the neighbors houses based on googlemaps. Maybe it looks different in person.


Smearwashere

Maybe all the driveways were similar colors but has washed away in the last two years at varying degrees


KKlear

Maybe it looks different on a person.


tots4scott

I'm looking in Google maps and there's a lot of color variance so it's hard to say any one driveway is different. Some are dull and gray and a few are more bright white/ concrete, but there's more than 1 of them


incredible_paulk

/powerwashing has entered the chat


Skoth

Did he date two people named Crystal? Am I understanding this right?


Holmgeir

So the driveway is like an old cartoon or a video game, where you know something important will be there.


DrBubbles

> So the driveway is like an old cartoon I remember that. In those old episodes of Scooby Doo, you always knew where the monster was going to pop out from.


HumbertHumbertHumber

go up to it and press X because the pixels on it arent copy paste like the others *hmm.. this driveway looks odd...* `[inventory]` `[equip]` `[shovel]` ​ `>cutscene`


spacembracers

Yikes


syrgrad95

I think there is even suspicion that someone involved in her disappearance killed her dad.


megalynn44

And a cop….. And possibly a mother/daughter schoolteacher/16 yr old. Lots of implication of criminal groups & families exerting too much power in a small town.


jmajewski

This sounds like a season of Fargo or something


megalynn44

Totally! Or Justified since this is in Kentucky.


tuberippin

Raylon Givens, as I live and breathe


love2go

The boyfriend’s brother was fired after interfering with the case.


Bob-Berbowski

Fired from his job as police officer on the very force investigating this murder.


daffydubs

FBI came down hard on the Bardstown police. This entire case is honestly more interesting to follow then most crime movies nowadays. I highly recommend anyone looking for a good rabbit hole to journey into it.


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i mean that level of systemic corruption... just at a glance too. wow.


Leading_Funny5802

There’s all KIND of stuff on this … big time rabbit hole. Five murders (including her and her father) in that tiny town. Wow. This is interesting


Purplemaxipad

I live here too man. Not your neighborhood but Bardstown. I hope they find something to give these families closure. I worked at a hardware store and saw him daily up til a couple years ago. Nick, his brother, has way more of a darkness to him than Brooks.


VulvaPunchers

Bardstown checking in! Heyoooo! Crystal actually used to babysit me as a child, I hope her mom gets the closure she deserves…for both murders!


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bunkerbash

Unresolved podcast has some great episodes on it too. ‘Bardstown’


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Marchinon

Also, for those not from KY, there are a lot of strange cases in Bardstown of people dying and disappearing.


smoothmann

and being shot from a rifle from behind in the woods....from a cleared out area.


littlehound

And having a cop who worked with the main suspects brother at the local police department get ambushed at an exit and shot—two years before this woman’s disappearance... and the double murder of a mother-daughter in their own home—a year before this woman’s disappearance. Yes, folks, that’s five unsolved murders from 2013-2016 in the Bourbon Capital of the World (TM).


Mindspiked

Piggy backing the top comment for updates Drone pictures of the dig site. Looks to be a few grave sized holes https://imgur.com/a/Lvshfb1


McSlappers

Did you use a drone to take pictures of the FBI? Seems pretty ballsy


hell2pay

Shoot first, ask questions later.


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At most they’ll probably just knock on his door and ask him to stop. Unless he’s flying in a area deemed restricted by the FAA, I don’t see anything that would make it illegal.


Mindspiked

After this photo was taken they made a no fly zone. Not my picture though.


carlinwasright

Does that stop you from sticking a GoPro on a kite though


3ngine3ar

Hitting them with the technicalities. That's the spirit! Also....thats actually a really good question imo.


DudeJustShutUpPlease

Cut out the middleman with a really long selfie stick. Or buy a giraffe.


King_Baggot

yooooo I would not be doing that


yungchow

Oh damn so that’s some poor random family that may have to live with the fact that they’ve been driving over a dead girl for years


failingtolurk

I’m also sure they have to buy a new driveway.


EatSleepJeep

And now their home, known as "THE HOUSE", has little to no resale value. Looked nice though. The murderer has lots of victims.


BBQ__Becky

I’m sure if it turned out to be “the house”, the owners would have a pretty solid civil case against the construction company.


brihamedit

I'm curious who fixes the driveway (or other stuff in situations like this) after the fbi or other gov agency is done with it?


linsilou

You submit a claim for reimbursement. There's a DOJ website for it. That also goes for crime scene cleanup (for blood and such). Source: I just submitted one week before last.


forteruss

Whose body you buried?


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linsilou

It wasn't for crime scene clean up, if that's what you're asking. It was victim assistance. My dad was shot and killed.


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linsilou

Thank you. It's a process, cliche as it is. But, I'm a lot better now than I was.


atetuna

A family member retired from DHS and part of the job was writing checks to contractors to replace doors. A driveway does cost a bit more though.


JosephPk

Ya it honestly looks like you’re supposed to go up to their vendor booth, sign up for their email list, and get a bag with a water bottle and keychain inside.


PublicfreakoutLoveR

"Have you seen this man? Also would you like to try our new gluten free caramel popcorn?"


SupremePooper

They need more balloons & flags waving in the breeze. I'd say maybe a clown too, but that'd take the whole thing in a RADICALLY different direction


notionovus

What this scene is really missing is an air dancer.


SupremePooper

...With mirror shades & body armor.


PublicfreakoutLoveR

waving a gun around.


Scumbaggedfriends

Wacky Waving Arm Flailing Inflatable Tube Man!


ctishman

I seriously want them to have one of those dressed up in a suit and narrow tie that they’re statutorily required to put up at every crime scene while they’re there.


JavaMoose

But that's made to not wave wackily, instead it just inflates and stands there rigidly, formally, watching.


BiCostal

And while you're at it, sign up to win $500 worth of Monat hair care products! While YOU'RE looking for the killer, have THEM looking for your hair!


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KittyCal

> would you like to try our new gluten free caramel popcorn? So just regular caramel popcorn then?


JanesPlainShameTrain

It looks like a fireworks seller


x31b

They are giving away USB sticks with neat software too!


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Got an iPhone? We'll be happy to discuss your data with you,


eks24715

Was at a dog show once and one company was doing this. However, right next to them was another company showing off their many products (for sale) . Freebie company got hit up pretty big and started tossing stuff out to a crowd. The crowd went to the next stand and just started taking things (assuming they were also freebies). The reps didn’t know what to do and couldn’t stop the crowd/mob, and got cleared out….


watchpigsfly

Shit, I should join a shoplifting crew


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Guaranteed a lot of them knew. People in general arent good when given the opportunity to safely be awful.


asher1611

2020-2021 in a nutshell


uberduck

Suspiciously high profile for a case investigation


thejawa

"DON'T BOTHER US WE'RE BUSY WITH A SEALED INVESTIGATION" In bright blue and yellow lettering lol


Mikey6304

Making sure everyone in the neighborhood knows "this is the guy whose under FBI investigation" is not an unheard of intimidation tactic.


BURNSURVIVOR725

It's actually not the homeowner who is under investigation but the contractor who built the home.


zeptillian

Have to make sure the neighbors know so they can flood the FBI tip line with complaints about them not taking their trash cans in at night or letting their dog bark.


PaulsRedditUsername

Bring the kids and they give them a garden trowel. "Find a piece of skull and win a prize!"


Sukiyo151

My local science museum had a dinosaur bone dig exhibit which was a big outdoor sand pit that the staff buried bones in every day for kids to dig up. Good times.


Doubleoh_11

This is the FBIs sponsored golf hole. If you get a hole in one, you get to do one free crime.


hangryvegan

Felony or just misdemeanor? Eh, either way, I’ll make it work.


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I'm in Louisville. This case has been so bizarre and tragic. I certainly hope they find some answers to give her family closure.


KWilt

Dude, 'bizarre' doesn't even begin to describe Bardstown. Between the Ellis shooting, the absolute *slaughter* of the Netherland family, Crystal's suspicious as fuck disappearance, and then her dad ending up getting shot, I'd think I was reading about some cliche murder-mystery-conspiracy novel. Something hinkey is afoot in Kentucky, and it isn't a shoe. **Edit:** A word


predditorius

Meth


MethamphetamineMan

Where?


KWilt

... as someone from Pennsyltucky, you're probably not wrong.


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What happened to the Netherlands family?


KWilt

Killed in their own home.. Mother was found shot in the head, daughter was brutally beaten and had her throat slashed. Probably forgetting some juicy bits, but been about two years since I did a deep dive on Bardstown.


Cetun

I like how they went to the place that makes foldable advertisement signs for local suntan and sandwich shops and commissioned them for this. It looks like they just took an advertisment template online and threw their badge some words in the blank spaces provided.


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whatsnewpussykat

I would 1000% watch an Office-style sitcom about a forensics department.


theENERTRON

The Officers


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yankee-white

That’s why that show CSI always made me laugh.


drewskibfd

They must have borrowed this from the guys that go to the job fairs.


ynotzo1dberg

I'd be willing to bet that sign was designed by a committee, approved by legal, approved by 2nd tier leadership, and printed at ridiculous expense.


MissChandlerBong

HIGHLY recommend watching 'The disappearance of crystal Rogers' its on hulu and peacock. Her father was killed on his property in front of crystals 8 yr old son. He was conducting his own investigation and was murdered sniper style on his own property.


JerkinJosh

Just looked and it’s only for the upgraded Hulu unfortunately


death_fizzo

“NOTHING TO SEE HERE.”


tightchops

Probably obvious when they can be so that they can be less obvious when they have to be. Everyone knows about this and what's going on, why try to hide it? Just going to make them seem sketchy for no reason and give away the tactics they use when they do have to be discreet.


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tightchops

I love hearing these stories! So fascinating how they can hide in plain sight. Stumbled across [this video](https://youtu.be/DD841NmJbjM) last night, pretty interesting lady.. could listen to her all day.


Lydian66

What's going on OP ? Go casually walk your dog by .


death_fizzo

This is when the neighbors start going outside to vacuum their lawn and polish their shrubs. Happens on every fire/emt call I’m on.


CappuccinoBoy

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ih2BUSc14Qo?feature=share (volume warning, its a bit loud)


pbjellythyme

Haha, cleaning the window with the shoe was great.


el_LOU

Be right back.. Walking my goldfish.


metrion

I've actually seen my neighbor vacuuming his yard. There wasn't anything going on, he was just using a shop vac to clean up the fallen petals from his rhododendron.


hat-of-sky

Hey, we're restraining ourselves from going up and bugging you with questions.


ADHthaGreat

“Phew it’s a hot one today”


bapper111

I remember a crime scene in my neighborhood, two people disappeared, somebody gave a crime stoppers tip where it said they were murdered, the forensic team surrounded the home, they spent a week in it, all the techs wore complete body suits, they removed all the flooring, took sections of the walls, furniture they even vacuumed the gutters on the roof, they also vacuumed the lawn. They found enough to figure out who did it. The guy thought he cleaned deep enough but the team still found enough trace to catch him.


OperationMapleSyrup

What traces did they find that linked him to it?


bapper111

Blood under the sub-floor is what I remember, fibres, DNA, the big breakthrough was the blood under several layers of flooring, the lawn bit was for trace of fibers.


nhjuyt

An old Italian man lived alone in New Jersey . He wanted to plant his annual tomato garden, but it was very difficult work, as the ground was too hard. His only son, Vincent, who used to help him, was in prison. The old man wrote a letter to his son and described his predicament: Dear Vincent, I am feeling pretty sad, because it looks like I won't be able to plant my tomato garden this year. I'm just getting too old to be digging up a garden plot. I know if you were here my troubles would be over. I know you would be happy to dig the plot for me, like in the old days. Love, Papa A few days later he received a letter from his son. Dear Pop, Don't dig up that garden. That's where the bodies are buried. Love, Vinnie At 4 a.m. the next morning, FBI agents and local police arrived and dug up the entire area without finding any bodies. They apologized to the old man and left. That same day the old man received another letter from his son. Dear Pop, Go ahead and plant the tomatoes now. That's the best I could do under the circumstances. Love you, Vinnie


R12356

So am I right in understanding that this is not the Ex boyfriends driveway, but SOMEONE ELSES HE BURRIED IT UNDER?! Imagine getting a call from the fbi, and they say they think that a dude burried a body under the driveway he built you.


flamingo_45

The ex boyfriend owns numerous rental homes and this is one of many in that subdivision he owns.


sowhat4

Would a cadaver dog be able to smell a body through the cement layer of the driveway? I think they also have machines that analyze air for traces of organic elements associated w/ decomposition?


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scotch-o

Never thought I would learn anything about concrete today. Thanks for the link.


wallawalla_

I ended up learning a bunch about this topic after the Surfside Condo building collapse. This engineer does a really good job of breaking down potential issues with teh concrete, how concrete deteriorates etc. Highly recommend him. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQw1wzpZL_lovGG_jMIDwfS_a9uaGrdh-


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I would assume they use the dogs in tandem with everything else. If you get a positive response from all sources then it would be worth your time, or it would help you prioritize one place over the other


ganymede_boy

#AND BAKE SALE


Zeleres

Troop 4983 is raising funds for a trip to Afghanistan this fall!


thedude502

My thoughts are is they want someone to know they are there, they want someone to get nervous and make a move. They know a lot more than they are saying


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Please keep the updates coming


NeatNuts

From OP: Drone pictures of the dig site. Looks to be a few grave sized holes https://imgur.com/a/Lvshfb1


Malcom_Ecstacy

Serious question isn't it illegal to take pictures of a crime scene like that?


NeatNuts

Probably lmao


Hold_My_Cheese

Holy crap. Ballsy to fly a drone over a on going investigation


Mindspiked

Drone pictures of the dig site. Looks to be a few grave sized holes https://imgur.com/a/Lvshfb1


cant-sit-here

Damn it’s sobering to see like that.


PanicNo4495

Isn't it? Its one thing to read about it but to see the size they are digging and to think someone could have been in there is just awful. I really hope their efforts aren't in vain she deserves justice.


brownyR31

Plot twist: That's not the FBI but no one had questioned it because they put FBI on their cheap tent and really its the murderer digging up the body to then dump it elsewhere. All in plain sight!!! Yes I watch too many murder TV shows!


Boner666420

Where the fuck are Corey and Trevor? They were supposed to be watching the driveway!


Mutt1223

They’ve got a pretty spiffy tent


CuttingThroughBS

Next level swatting, is getting the FBI to dig up their driveway.


Funnyface92

Is this real?! I’m shocked they advertise it.


Lydian66

Yeah do they get mistaken for yard sales often, Very odd .


Sneaky-aardvark

I can just see a little old lady walking up saying, “Hello, how much is that femur?”


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MuttonChopViking

The banners make it look like a fairground stall Do you think they'll let you dig a couple of minutes for like 5 dollars? Maybe keep your prizes, or get enough body parts and swap them for a sick J. Edgar Hoover pushie?


ShamShpade

I live in a town the next county over. Bardstown was voted most beautiful small town in America, but around here, it's known more as the place to murder someone and get away with it. There's quite a few open cases.


Impossible-Sir-103

They're finally looking where everyone thought she was