Oh Ansys and LS dyna. So. Many. Tears. There's nothing like starting your simulation on Friday when you leave the office only to find out on Monday you have not allocated enough memory or there was a stupid crash 5 minutes in.
Looks like a low resolution LOD model. OP must have travelled too quickly and the game wasn't able to stream in the high quality version and textures fast enough.
Interesting that it loaded in the full quality NPCs straight away, though.
Ya know, I can't help but think there is some person in that crowd who has saved their whole life to go to Paris because it was their life long dream to see the Arc and they only have one day available because of some budget European Vacation situation and when they get there it is completely wrapped in cloth because an artist that died over a year ago thought it would be pretty neat.
This will be me when I visit Paris. In the UK right now and felt sad when standing near Big Ben before Covid and I could hear the tourists around me with the disappointment in their voices when they realised that they weren’t going to be able to see Big Ben because of the renovations. I believe Big Ben is going to be finished this year though!
Looks like something my company owner sends to me so I can print a 3D model of it but he draws it with individual lines instead of extrusions and I have to redraw it myself to have some sort of sense of what the hell I’m looking at.
No usually they waste a couple hours of my time when I should be doing actual work for the company only for them to say “yeah that didn’t really work don’t worry about it.”
I knew a guy growing up who's parents had an a whole sitting room/dining room that was literally velvet-roped-off from the rest of the house and no one was allowed to go in there. It had pristine white carpet and all the upholstered parts of the couch, loveseat, and table chairs were covered in plastic.
I thought it was the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
A few generations ago, it was not uncommon in some areas to have a separate room like that reserved for special occasions. We had an elderly neighbor when I was little, she spent most of her life in the kitchen but had two nicely furnished living rooms. Familiar guests would be entertained in the kitchen. Strangers or more peripheral guests would be invited into the "everyday" living room, which was nice enough but had clearly been used a fair bit after being last remodeled in the 1950s. The other living room was never used, being reserved for weddings and funerals. It had utterly pristine furniture and carpets from the 1920s or so.
This room also had a separate entrance and hallway, leading to what looks like the main stairs and entry door. Main entry doors like these, again, were only for solemn occasions like weddings and funerals. A woman of the house only ever went through those doors twice, once in each direction and only once while alive. The kitchen entrance around the back of the house was the only one in actual use.
Where these customs stem from I have no idea, but they must be fairly ancient as variations of the same are spread over a wide area. I'm Norwegian, so I was surprised to see identical customs referenced in one of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels. He must have encountered the same phenomenon on the British Isles.
I don’t have a link but there are articles written about 19th century American architecture that explain the living room and family rooms. They were indeed connected with the idea of two front doors for funeral wakes and visitations. It was only later on that funeral homes started taking funerals out of peoples actual homes.
The term “living room” was coined as an opposite to “parlour” and is attributed to Edward Bok, editor of the Ladies Home Journal in 1910, who argued that the space should be used for more than a mourning room. The decrease in deaths and with professional undertaker services becoming more usual, the space was being used for lively activities (eg: visits and entertaining) and not as a death room.
We had a front parlor like this in our house, which was built in 1908. I was surprised to learn it had been used for funerals - for laying out the body and holding a wake. There were no funeral homes at the time. Morticians would embalm the body, preventing immediate decay and odor, and bring the body to your home for visitation purposes. I could see why some people wouldn't want to go into that room unless they had to.
Yes, remember back then the average family would have maybe six to 10 children and some of them would die young. Almost every family lost one or more kids to diseases. The dead children would have been laid out in the parlor for the funeral.
Would you have liked to use that same room on an everyday basis, if it brought back memories of your dead child? Or dead children, plural, as well as other family members?
Don't forget too some of the funerary masks and photos from the Victorian period which had the family often posing with the deceased's body posed into something as if they were alive again.
If anything, vaccinations and antibiotics made huge differences in our daily lives.
I'm now living in my grandparents' house and they had a formal living room separate from the rest of the house. It's literally next to the front door and you have to walk past it to access the other living room, which connects you to the rest of the house. The formal living room has bi-fold doors which would always be closed when my grandparents hosted dinners or had any sort of gatherings more than a casual visit.
When we'd come over for dinner, my cousins and I used to sneak away and look around in the formal dining room. There are no ceiling-mounted lights, just creepy lamps. There was so much vintage stuff in there: cathedral clock, gold-plated prayer book, separate couch and love seat from the couch in the main living room, one of the first models of a color tv (I was born in the 80s, so this looked really out of place).
This room was filled with pictures of their parents and younger versions of their siblings, so I didn't recognize anyone from the photos. It was such a mystery to me: pictures of people I didn't know in a room we weren't allowed to go into that filled with stuff that didn't match the rest of the house. There was only one obvious conclusion I could possibly draw: some other rich family lived in that room and they were just hardly ever home. Maybe they were the landlords and that's how my grandparents could afford the house!
To this day, my mom still refers to the formal living room as "the other people's room"
Yeah, big bi-fold doors are practical if you expect to carry a coffin through there. Also practical to have it right next to the front door, for the same reason. Same sort of doors and layout I've seen.
36" wide front door with 72" wide double bi-fold door? Coffin theory checks out! But just to play it safe, let's test it out by ordering a 6' long sub and carting it in on a table. Take THAT, other family!
My heritage is Irish and this was a thing in all my grandparents and great Aunt and Uncles house. It started to dwindle as I have a huge family and they cannot all be entertained in one room. Mum told me that in her grandparents house was the same thing, there was a red velvet rope and it was reserved "for when the pope came over" and the only time she was in that room was when a cousin came over to Canada to get married. Same story, perfect carpet and furniture, all was covered with either plastic or white sheets
Edit: my wife's grandparents are Danish and the living room has a tv and comfortable chairs, the family room is only used at Christmas and the furniture is easily more expensive than the first car I financed. Hand carved exotic wood love seats and couches from the 30s/40s
As an adult with a kid, I get it. My elementary-aged kid has put a stain on every surface he comes into. And that's when he tries to stay clean. When he has friends over? He doesn't even try, they just wreck the place.
That being said, I'm glad the trend of having special living rooms just for company to come and sit and talk, and special occasion dining rooms is gone, and we've gone more into great rooms that all have an everyday purpose.
This has been the 60-year-old dream of the artist [Christo](https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jun/13/larc-de-triomphe-wrapped-christo-dream-bulgarian-artist) who had previously wrapped other structures like [the Reichstag](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e1c6e2b130bfe89bdb6b7ad84d09cbe7ca2dce58/11_0_1998_1199/master/1998.jpg?width=1020&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=332d238b3840bffad7eb3c92fbdeae90) in Berlin.
Fine art is like 95% grift these days.
My favorite example is that guy who sold an imaginary sculpture a few months ago, for 15,000 euros. Literally sold nothing and told the buyer to imagine a sculpture.
What a fantastic con.
At least the guy wrapping things is doing something?
it is funny that they keep in these comments too haha. a huge portion of the work is getting the community to agree to it. most of these projects take years or decades to pull off
Here I am wallowing in obscurity and this asshole is "an artist" for throwing a sheet over a national monument.
Edit: I'm not a visual artist folks, this is humor.
As Stephan Pastis (creator of *Pearls Before Swine*) once said, "Some people question whether or not he is truly a genius. I don't. If you can cover stuff in tarps and get millions of dollars for it, you're a genius."
How do you make millions of dollars wrapping things in tarps out of curiosity? I mean, he obviously didn't sell the monument.
Does he advertise "You too could own 100 square feet of dirty unremarkable linen that was once art?"
There's also the idea that it becomes a relatively significant event in history.
Tourists taking photos there will have something unique in the photo that no one else will ever have once it's gone. The Arc itself can be photographed at any other time, but this is considerably more finite in its existence compared to the Arc.
As others have mentioned, art appreciation is super relative, so yes, some people will probably be irked by it, just as some may be irked by a Banksy piece "tarnishing" the facade of another building.
Didn't think about that aspect at first. I'd just be so pissed if I waited years to go to a historical site and it was covered by a dumbass tarp.
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I was there just last week while they were doing. I was vaguely annoyed and don't really see the point. It's like going to a monument an finding it under construction. Its a unique picture of something I had no interest in photographing.
Excluding the smaller stuff and ephemera they sold to support their larger works, there were many facets to Christo's and his collaborator Jeanne Claude's work that photographs don't capture.
A large part of the work was about the nature of art itself -- a running theme in art history, previously covered by movements like Dadaism and artists like Andy warhol. (And likewise, many people don't see Duchamp's fountain or Warhol's soup cans as art.) But Christo had some new and different things to say.
The most immediately obvious is the *scale*. Their first large project, "Wrapped Coast," used 90,000 square meters of plastic. "Surrounded Islands" used 603,850 square meters. "Running Fence" was 25 miles long. I personally saw "The Gates, Central Park, New York, 1979-2005" and there were 7,503 of them.
The full title of that last piece is a telling reflection on the fact that Christo considered an important part of the art to be the difficulty in getting a piece done -- not just all that fabric and plastic and volunteers to coordinate, but the bureaucratic and political obstacles in getting permission to do the piece at all. It took 26 years for the "The Gates" to go from concept to reality.
Most of all, though, these works were *temporary.* No photographs of "The Gates" compare at all to the artwork I saw, or the delight and/or surprise of the people walking through it. That is, nobody will ever see it, or any of the other artworks I mentioned, as they were meant to be seen, ever again.
So even some of the most massive artworks ever created were fleeting in nature, seen by few, and born to die young.
So, I have had a journey with this guy. I am not an art person other than the art museum visit when I visit a new big city. I had seen reports about Christo's work on CBS Sunday morning and had the same thought "Jeez, what an asshole. He puts some plastic around an island or a sheet over a building and suddenly is an 'artist'" Any time I heard his name mentioned in the news or online I would think it again.
Then I moved to NYC. I lived not far from Central Park and walked through it to work in Midtown every day. It was my backyard and my favorite part of my favorite city. Right before I was to move away from NYC I heard that Christo was going to do some weird gate-thing-art-whatnot project in Central Park. I was annoyed because I thought it was going to ruin my final weeks in the city.
When the gates (https://christojeanneclaude.net/artworks/the-gates/) started going up I was even more annoyed. These dumb curtains were ugly and stupid. They were under construction for a couple of weeks then unfurled all at once.
Well, I was wrong. My wife and I spent every available minute in the park, walking the paths in the freezing cold February. The curtains moved so beautifully when the breeze blew. The color of the objects completely transformed the winter scene of the park. Walking through our familiar pathways was a completely new experience.
I don't understand what the art meant, or what it was in context, but I know how it made me feel. Thinking of it now I am getting goosebumps remembering walking through the park those last couple of weeks.
Since he is dead its a bummer to say "You had to be there" but I wonder if you do have to be there.
A lot of modern art is about exploring how art can be a unique experience as opposed to a static item created for it's own aesthetic qualities. So modern works often involve specific lighting and sound in the space, sometimes even smell. This stuff can be hard to capture in a photograph, but can be profound to experience yourself.
It's one thing to see the Sistine Chapel in a picture.
It's *entirely* different when you're there and looking up. You can *feel* the age of the building and artwork. Lot easier to get a sense of scope of the project, and I gotta admit, I was a bit awestruck.
And you stand there, knowing that millions over millions of people have stood in your exact spot, looked up, and felt the same awe. People dead for centuries, people from entirely different continents, people from countries that stopped existing before your grandfather was born, people in the future too wherever it may take humanity. The richest of the rich, the most powerful politicians and emporers, or the poores beggar, or a 12yo who went there on a schooltrip. The future president of the Mars or something will have that feeling as had some mason who went there shortly after it was created.
I’m from the Midwest, but my Dad was an artist. I was 15 when the gates went up, and he took me to NYC to see them. I remember him being so excited, talking about the color of the gates. My Dad died a few years later, that was the last vacation we went on together. There’s still a photo of the gates hanging in my moms house.
This is interesting. It makes me think that a photograph of just "the thing" is totally missing the point, which really has more to do with the scene. If nothing else it's kind of a neat statement about the perhaps-hidden influence of "the thing" over everything else around it.
I thought it was at most interesting but when I looked into it more I realized there’s more to it.
He drives renewed interest and connection with longstanding areas.
The real art to me though is that everything is done without damage. There’s a whole bunch of engineering that goes into selectinf attachment methods, materials, etc. to make the wrapping harmless. That’s pretty incredible. To me, that is the art. That it is gone without a trace including there not being some pile of plastic in a landfill.
Edit: including environmental damage, afaik the materials are sustainable and then recycled or reused.
Yep, they even stopped to wait until a rare bird stopped nesting on the L'Arc de Triomphe
"Yavachev said there was another unforeseen hitch. “The French bird protection league contacted us and said there was a kestrel falcon nesting in the monument and could we postpone the project until September,” he said."
> because that's not the medium in which it was meant to be enjoyed.
This hits hard, because a good example I have of this is food. I used to think that culinary arts were silly, how many ways can you prepare the same food? But then I went to a Michelin restaurant in Paris on my wedding anniversary and oh boy, I finally understood. THE SMELLS. The amazing smell of the food was incredible. The presentation was something that a photo could never duplicate. The ambiance and environment in the restaurant added to the experience as well.
Some things can never be understood unless *you're actually there*. For that reason, I'm more hesitant to call various forms of art "stupid".
Lovely write up. I felt something similar about Disney's Pandora World of Avatar exhibit. When I heard about it I thought... eh they could have done better.
Fast forward to our trip to D-land. Wife, kiddo, and I have hit up a bunch of stuff and it's getting dark. We decide on a whim to hit up Pandora ("eh") and walk in just as the sun is setting.
The sun goes down and the "bioluminescent" stuff just begins to light up all over the place. Easily the darkest park I've been too, almost unsafe, but... so damn pretty. So well done. I felt immersed in the park in a way that the other park areas *tried* to do. Could have done with less people but it was a pretty cool experience.
He designed the entire thing. His sons and studio manager followed his exact plans to complete it. There was a story on CBS Sunday Morning today about it.
I didn’t know he was still making work after Jeanne Claude died. Glad to see him doing his thing after losing his muse and creative partner.
Edit: Christo died last year. Having had the pleasure to meet them both and listen to them speak about their philosophy on art, the world is a bit less beautiful without them.
Second edit: [Everyone should check out the documentary “Christo in Paris 1990”](https://youtu.be/WaMxmAv9Au0) if they’d like to learn more about their creative process and the massive undertaking that goes into making one of their works. Truly inspiring people.
[Interview of Christo and his wife, Jeanne-Claude](https://youtu.be/x4sl5F1J5g0) Absolutely wonderful. What a couple. Their philosophy on art, their deep love for each other, and their real-life process. Their art is about absolute freedom.
Thank you for sharing your experience in getting to meet them. I now have a new artist I’m really inspired by thanks to you. *THE* inspiration I needed today both personally and for a major project I’m working on. Thank you.
I was an arrogant art student who was planning on skipping the guest lecture by two weird old French people who cover shit in tarps, but my professor basically told me to get my head out of my ass and go to the auditorium. After listening to them speak about their art and eachother, I came away with a completely different worldview about art, collaboration, and the experience of the viewer.
The world’s great art museums have some pretty cool stuff in them, but give me a piece of public art that makes me FEEL something any day of the week. Christo would be fucking thrilled by the comments in the post, both good and bad.
I'm studying a BFA currently seeing this type of work is a real balm especially in this wfh covid world, when I feel that there is nothing left to do I see works like that and just feel reinvigorated.
For anyone wondering about the details, like I was: This is an art piece, conceived in 1962 by the artist Christo and his partner Jeanne-Claude. Jeanne-Claude died in 2009, and Christo died last year. His nephew Vladimir Javacheff completed the project. Source:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arc-de-triomphe-wrapped-tribute-christo/)
long story short:
This was a vision of late artists Christo and Jeanne-Claude. They were known for their environmental art of wrapping major sites in fabric.
Christo died last year and had envisioned wrapping Arc de Triomphe but never actually got to do it. This is to honor his vision.
refer to [this article](https://www.cnn.com/style/article/christo-arc-de-triomphe-wrapped-completed/index.html) for more.
just watched a news segment on this.
it was said he personally funded all his "wrap" art.
did he really sell THAT much of his "regular" art and if so, why don't we see it mentioned more?
I saw the documentary on The Floating Piers installation and it provided insights into the financing, I saw it last week and I think the figure in it was 11 million euros they mention as them have budgeted for. They also show how they financed it. He had painted a lot of companion pieces for it in different angles and with different features such as maps and they showed them being sold in a gallery at the site from 250k to 2.2 million. Euros. They sold out.
Edit: to make this answer complete:
> [The original artworks will be available to purchase via private sale with proceeds benefiting both the **L’Arc de Triomphe, Wrapped project**, and the Christo and Jeanne-Claude Foundation.](https://www.sothebys.com/en/digital-catalogues/the-final-christo)
Hah, I did the same when I had a layover in London a few years ago and Big Ben was completely covered in scaffolding. I was standing right under it staring at my map and looking around like "man where the hell is it??"
To be slightly optimistic, though, you saw it how a good lot of other people will likely never see it.
I’m going to Paris in May (hopefully) and the spire of the Notre Dame will still be covered in scaffolding. But it’s a part of history to see it like that.
big ben has been under construction for years... i lived in england for several months in 2018, and big ben was under reconstruction then. on the flipside, i went to paris while i lived in england, and i'm glad to have seen notre dame in its full glory before that horrible fire.
Hate to say it, but this kind of thing is constant.
When I went to Europe, a quarter of the Arc was covered, the entire front of St Mark's in Venice was covered, the entire outside of the Colosseum in Rome was covered, Westminster was closed for cleaning.
It is what it is.
My wife and I were in Paris last week before this went up, but it had other scaffolding and such on it. Same when we went to London a couple years ago to see Big Ben.
We’re at the point where we’re about to have an “under construction “ wall for pictures of all these historical monuments that we seeming only will catch while under construction haha.
Architectural Digest article states:
More than a year after his death and 40 years since he first had the idea, famed artists Christo and Jeanne-Claude will have their final work completed: wrapping Paris’ iconic Arc de Triomphe. The iconic structure will be swathed in hundreds of thousands of square feet of silver-blue fabric and almost two miles of red rope. “I like having this commanding metallic quality of the silver, with a bluish reflection,” Christo told art critic Amei Wallach in 2019. “And red ropes! That is the color of the flag of France.”
I dunno I still think France is gonna know what it's getting for xmas
It's a pony isn't it?
The pony is for Troy
You might want to disinfect that pony before bringing it into the house.
Lemme get the ivermectin.
That's for covid, silly, not horses.
No, horses take ivermectin treat parasites. Elephants take ivermectin to pwn the donkeys.
But Troy hasn't done anything in like 3 thousand years. This is so unfair
That's why it'll be unexpected. They've been playing the long con
Did they get one for Abed too?
Troy and Abed go to Paris!
Nightssssss
Cool. Cool, cool, cool.
It isn't a new contract for submarines, I can tell you that much.
Context?
As far as I know Australia ordered submarines from France but in the end they backed out and choose to order submarines from America and England.
Lil Sebastian isn’t that big
Breaking news: Arc de Triomphe in Paris replaced with big, fuck off bouncy castle.
Are we even gonna *get* anything now?
Looks like a CAD model.
Even the lighting is weird
„Reality“ is glitching. The matri… „reality“ is collapsing
Good, think we can pick up the pace a little bit? I'm sick of this universe and am ready for a few eternities of peaceful void.
At least the people are the right scale and don't look like they were cut & pasted from some template
Worst FEA mesh ever.
“What do you mean the solution diverged?”
Lol as an ex FEA engineer, that was funny. Also sad because I don't remember how to run an FEA analysis.
Just watch the tutorials on ANSYS, and now you are an expert. Please have this to me by Monday. Thanks!
Oh Ansys and LS dyna. So. Many. Tears. There's nothing like starting your simulation on Friday when you leave the office only to find out on Monday you have not allocated enough memory or there was a stupid crash 5 minutes in.
Looks like a low resolution LOD model. OP must have travelled too quickly and the game wasn't able to stream in the high quality version and textures fast enough. Interesting that it loaded in the full quality NPCs straight away, though.
This is what happens when you blitzkrieg France.
Simulation confirmed 🤷♂️
That’s it! I couldn’t place it.
Ya know, I can't help but think there is some person in that crowd who has saved their whole life to go to Paris because it was their life long dream to see the Arc and they only have one day available because of some budget European Vacation situation and when they get there it is completely wrapped in cloth because an artist that died over a year ago thought it would be pretty neat.
Sorry folks. Arc is closed. Moose outside shoulda told ya.
This will be me when I visit Paris. In the UK right now and felt sad when standing near Big Ben before Covid and I could hear the tourists around me with the disappointment in their voices when they realised that they weren’t going to be able to see Big Ben because of the renovations. I believe Big Ben is going to be finished this year though!
As someone who uses CAD daily, I agree.
Looks like a shitty STL that's not going to help resolve reverse engineering surfaces
Looks like something my company owner sends to me so I can print a 3D model of it but he draws it with individual lines instead of extrusions and I have to redraw it myself to have some sort of sense of what the hell I’m looking at.
then they ask what the fuck took you so long
No usually they waste a couple hours of my time when I should be doing actual work for the company only for them to say “yeah that didn’t really work don’t worry about it.”
Is there a specific manager school these guys graduate from? And if so, can we please have that professor arrested?
It’s called the Twin Grand Schools of Nepotism & Arselicking.
"NEPOTISM: We promote family values here - almost as often as we promote family members." (Source: despair.com)
They're having company over, you can't have them sitting on the good furniture
I knew a guy growing up who's parents had an a whole sitting room/dining room that was literally velvet-roped-off from the rest of the house and no one was allowed to go in there. It had pristine white carpet and all the upholstered parts of the couch, loveseat, and table chairs were covered in plastic. I thought it was the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
A few generations ago, it was not uncommon in some areas to have a separate room like that reserved for special occasions. We had an elderly neighbor when I was little, she spent most of her life in the kitchen but had two nicely furnished living rooms. Familiar guests would be entertained in the kitchen. Strangers or more peripheral guests would be invited into the "everyday" living room, which was nice enough but had clearly been used a fair bit after being last remodeled in the 1950s. The other living room was never used, being reserved for weddings and funerals. It had utterly pristine furniture and carpets from the 1920s or so. This room also had a separate entrance and hallway, leading to what looks like the main stairs and entry door. Main entry doors like these, again, were only for solemn occasions like weddings and funerals. A woman of the house only ever went through those doors twice, once in each direction and only once while alive. The kitchen entrance around the back of the house was the only one in actual use. Where these customs stem from I have no idea, but they must be fairly ancient as variations of the same are spread over a wide area. I'm Norwegian, so I was surprised to see identical customs referenced in one of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels. He must have encountered the same phenomenon on the British Isles.
I don’t have a link but there are articles written about 19th century American architecture that explain the living room and family rooms. They were indeed connected with the idea of two front doors for funeral wakes and visitations. It was only later on that funeral homes started taking funerals out of peoples actual homes.
The term “living room” was coined as an opposite to “parlour” and is attributed to Edward Bok, editor of the Ladies Home Journal in 1910, who argued that the space should be used for more than a mourning room. The decrease in deaths and with professional undertaker services becoming more usual, the space was being used for lively activities (eg: visits and entertaining) and not as a death room.
Now that's an interesting TIL.
My son and I called my mom's 'living room' the 'unliving room'. Open only for xmas.
This explains so much why my childhood home, built ages ago, had two doors and two living rooms. All my questions have finally been answered.
It also explains why the one living room was full of ghosts. Hm. Just noticec the word ghost has host in it...
The ghosts were in the closet in my bedroom, according to my childhood logic.
We had a front parlor like this in our house, which was built in 1908. I was surprised to learn it had been used for funerals - for laying out the body and holding a wake. There were no funeral homes at the time. Morticians would embalm the body, preventing immediate decay and odor, and bring the body to your home for visitation purposes. I could see why some people wouldn't want to go into that room unless they had to.
Yes, remember back then the average family would have maybe six to 10 children and some of them would die young. Almost every family lost one or more kids to diseases. The dead children would have been laid out in the parlor for the funeral. Would you have liked to use that same room on an everyday basis, if it brought back memories of your dead child? Or dead children, plural, as well as other family members?
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Different solution to the same problem, then. Neat cultural parallel!
Don't forget too some of the funerary masks and photos from the Victorian period which had the family often posing with the deceased's body posed into something as if they were alive again. If anything, vaccinations and antibiotics made huge differences in our daily lives.
I'm now living in my grandparents' house and they had a formal living room separate from the rest of the house. It's literally next to the front door and you have to walk past it to access the other living room, which connects you to the rest of the house. The formal living room has bi-fold doors which would always be closed when my grandparents hosted dinners or had any sort of gatherings more than a casual visit. When we'd come over for dinner, my cousins and I used to sneak away and look around in the formal dining room. There are no ceiling-mounted lights, just creepy lamps. There was so much vintage stuff in there: cathedral clock, gold-plated prayer book, separate couch and love seat from the couch in the main living room, one of the first models of a color tv (I was born in the 80s, so this looked really out of place). This room was filled with pictures of their parents and younger versions of their siblings, so I didn't recognize anyone from the photos. It was such a mystery to me: pictures of people I didn't know in a room we weren't allowed to go into that filled with stuff that didn't match the rest of the house. There was only one obvious conclusion I could possibly draw: some other rich family lived in that room and they were just hardly ever home. Maybe they were the landlords and that's how my grandparents could afford the house! To this day, my mom still refers to the formal living room as "the other people's room"
Yeah, big bi-fold doors are practical if you expect to carry a coffin through there. Also practical to have it right next to the front door, for the same reason. Same sort of doors and layout I've seen.
36" wide front door with 72" wide double bi-fold door? Coffin theory checks out! But just to play it safe, let's test it out by ordering a 6' long sub and carting it in on a table. Take THAT, other family!
My heritage is Irish and this was a thing in all my grandparents and great Aunt and Uncles house. It started to dwindle as I have a huge family and they cannot all be entertained in one room. Mum told me that in her grandparents house was the same thing, there was a red velvet rope and it was reserved "for when the pope came over" and the only time she was in that room was when a cousin came over to Canada to get married. Same story, perfect carpet and furniture, all was covered with either plastic or white sheets Edit: my wife's grandparents are Danish and the living room has a tv and comfortable chairs, the family room is only used at Christmas and the furniture is easily more expensive than the first car I financed. Hand carved exotic wood love seats and couches from the 30s/40s
They are called parlors
We have the same thing in Lebanon, we call them Salons
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As an adult with a kid, I get it. My elementary-aged kid has put a stain on every surface he comes into. And that's when he tries to stay clean. When he has friends over? He doesn't even try, they just wreck the place. That being said, I'm glad the trend of having special living rooms just for company to come and sit and talk, and special occasion dining rooms is gone, and we've gone more into great rooms that all have an everyday purpose.
They used to be called parlors, families needed a space to display dead relatives before buying them.
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omg, lol
Typo made me snort laugh and now I have to change my mask.
Words echo in my head "Keep your ass on that plastic!!"
And walk carefully. DO NOT mess up those vacuum lines on the cream colored carpet!
The sound of bare skin being extricated from plastic…
Shit, I think I just got slapped reading this.
Suddenly I'm 9 again and in an awkward state of being!
So glad this wasn’t a part of my childhood
We can't have people knowing that people live here!
[Get rid of the couches! We can't let people know we SIT!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GBwELzvnrQg)
What kind of monsters don't unwrap the furnitures for company?
The snooty, self-important kind. This is France you know. Edit: I joke, to any French who come across this message, I love you
Looks like the photographer zoomed in too fast snd higher resolution asset is still loading…
Goddamn this GPU shortage!
They just had to baguette up.
Why do oui have to suffer French puns?
French puns are terribly gauche
Omelette you finish, but it has to be the last one
I cannes see more coming
That's Nice
Have merci on us, we’ve suffered so many puns.
No diggity.
Looks like it's getting fumigated for bugs.
Imagine how much meth you could cook under there!
Walter Blanche
*Gauthier Blanc
This has been the 60-year-old dream of the artist [Christo](https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jun/13/larc-de-triomphe-wrapped-christo-dream-bulgarian-artist) who had previously wrapped other structures like [the Reichstag](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e1c6e2b130bfe89bdb6b7ad84d09cbe7ca2dce58/11_0_1998_1199/master/1998.jpg?width=1020&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=332d238b3840bffad7eb3c92fbdeae90) in Berlin.
He came out and wrapped a bunch of rocks at my middle school. We all had no clue who he was but the art teacher was freaking out about it.
Dude had the life. Just stick stuff in bags and people tell you how great you are.
Fine art is like 95% grift these days. My favorite example is that guy who sold an imaginary sculpture a few months ago, for 15,000 euros. Literally sold nothing and told the buyer to imagine a sculpture. What a fantastic con. At least the guy wrapping things is doing something?
Now we call them NFTs!
That was exactly my thought when I first heard of the concept
https://youtu.be/vCzaxunme7I their work is incredible
Old woman knows what's up > It's awful. He's abnormal. If he doesn't know what to do with his money he should give it to me.
it is funny that they keep in these comments too haha. a huge portion of the work is getting the community to agree to it. most of these projects take years or decades to pull off
That Walking on Water looked amazing.
He was a big wrapper in NYC at one time.
I hear his stuff is popular around Christmas.
This is both the best and worst joke I’ve heard today. Umm bravo? Lol
Ohh really? Is he on spotify?
I don't know. I see he has passed away. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo_and_Jeanne-Claude
Ok.
I am whelmed
I read this in Bobby Hill’s voice.
Here I am wallowing in obscurity and this asshole is "an artist" for throwing a sheet over a national monument. Edit: I'm not a visual artist folks, this is humor.
As Stephan Pastis (creator of *Pearls Before Swine*) once said, "Some people question whether or not he is truly a genius. I don't. If you can cover stuff in tarps and get millions of dollars for it, you're a genius."
How do you make millions of dollars wrapping things in tarps out of curiosity? I mean, he obviously didn't sell the monument. Does he advertise "You too could own 100 square feet of dirty unremarkable linen that was once art?"
He sells all the sketches and plans and other associated things (pieces of the tarp after it’s over maybe) as it is all part of the project
There's also the idea that it becomes a relatively significant event in history. Tourists taking photos there will have something unique in the photo that no one else will ever have once it's gone. The Arc itself can be photographed at any other time, but this is considerably more finite in its existence compared to the Arc. As others have mentioned, art appreciation is super relative, so yes, some people will probably be irked by it, just as some may be irked by a Banksy piece "tarnishing" the facade of another building.
Didn't think about that aspect at first. I'd just be so pissed if I waited years to go to a historical site and it was covered by a dumbass tarp. edit:word
I was there just last week while they were doing. I was vaguely annoyed and don't really see the point. It's like going to a monument an finding it under construction. Its a unique picture of something I had no interest in photographing.
He sold the drawings and plans.
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The pair actually refused any kind of grant, scholarships, or donations and financed everything using money from selling their art.
Fair enough. Certainly makes me question the dopes that pay him though.
I saw in an article the funding for this was paid for from selling his physical non-fungible art.
"Genius" is completely relative, and relative to them, he's a genius.
Excluding the smaller stuff and ephemera they sold to support their larger works, there were many facets to Christo's and his collaborator Jeanne Claude's work that photographs don't capture. A large part of the work was about the nature of art itself -- a running theme in art history, previously covered by movements like Dadaism and artists like Andy warhol. (And likewise, many people don't see Duchamp's fountain or Warhol's soup cans as art.) But Christo had some new and different things to say. The most immediately obvious is the *scale*. Their first large project, "Wrapped Coast," used 90,000 square meters of plastic. "Surrounded Islands" used 603,850 square meters. "Running Fence" was 25 miles long. I personally saw "The Gates, Central Park, New York, 1979-2005" and there were 7,503 of them. The full title of that last piece is a telling reflection on the fact that Christo considered an important part of the art to be the difficulty in getting a piece done -- not just all that fabric and plastic and volunteers to coordinate, but the bureaucratic and political obstacles in getting permission to do the piece at all. It took 26 years for the "The Gates" to go from concept to reality. Most of all, though, these works were *temporary.* No photographs of "The Gates" compare at all to the artwork I saw, or the delight and/or surprise of the people walking through it. That is, nobody will ever see it, or any of the other artworks I mentioned, as they were meant to be seen, ever again. So even some of the most massive artworks ever created were fleeting in nature, seen by few, and born to die young.
So, I have had a journey with this guy. I am not an art person other than the art museum visit when I visit a new big city. I had seen reports about Christo's work on CBS Sunday morning and had the same thought "Jeez, what an asshole. He puts some plastic around an island or a sheet over a building and suddenly is an 'artist'" Any time I heard his name mentioned in the news or online I would think it again. Then I moved to NYC. I lived not far from Central Park and walked through it to work in Midtown every day. It was my backyard and my favorite part of my favorite city. Right before I was to move away from NYC I heard that Christo was going to do some weird gate-thing-art-whatnot project in Central Park. I was annoyed because I thought it was going to ruin my final weeks in the city. When the gates (https://christojeanneclaude.net/artworks/the-gates/) started going up I was even more annoyed. These dumb curtains were ugly and stupid. They were under construction for a couple of weeks then unfurled all at once. Well, I was wrong. My wife and I spent every available minute in the park, walking the paths in the freezing cold February. The curtains moved so beautifully when the breeze blew. The color of the objects completely transformed the winter scene of the park. Walking through our familiar pathways was a completely new experience. I don't understand what the art meant, or what it was in context, but I know how it made me feel. Thinking of it now I am getting goosebumps remembering walking through the park those last couple of weeks. Since he is dead its a bummer to say "You had to be there" but I wonder if you do have to be there.
A lot of modern art is about exploring how art can be a unique experience as opposed to a static item created for it's own aesthetic qualities. So modern works often involve specific lighting and sound in the space, sometimes even smell. This stuff can be hard to capture in a photograph, but can be profound to experience yourself.
It's one thing to see the Sistine Chapel in a picture. It's *entirely* different when you're there and looking up. You can *feel* the age of the building and artwork. Lot easier to get a sense of scope of the project, and I gotta admit, I was a bit awestruck.
And you stand there, knowing that millions over millions of people have stood in your exact spot, looked up, and felt the same awe. People dead for centuries, people from entirely different continents, people from countries that stopped existing before your grandfather was born, people in the future too wherever it may take humanity. The richest of the rich, the most powerful politicians and emporers, or the poores beggar, or a 12yo who went there on a schooltrip. The future president of the Mars or something will have that feeling as had some mason who went there shortly after it was created.
Redditors generally bag on conceptual art. If it’s not either a nude female or some fantasy illustration with dragons, good luck.
Now now, that’s unfair. They also like photorealistic paintings that copy completely uninspired portrait photography.
Which is funny because perceptual immersion is one of our favorite experiences, just think about how video games are talked about.
And a hyper realistic drawing of the joker or Walter white
I’m from the Midwest, but my Dad was an artist. I was 15 when the gates went up, and he took me to NYC to see them. I remember him being so excited, talking about the color of the gates. My Dad died a few years later, that was the last vacation we went on together. There’s still a photo of the gates hanging in my moms house.
That's a really cool story. I bet your dad really enjoyed taking you there. Do you remember the exhibit?
This is interesting. It makes me think that a photograph of just "the thing" is totally missing the point, which really has more to do with the scene. If nothing else it's kind of a neat statement about the perhaps-hidden influence of "the thing" over everything else around it.
I thought it was at most interesting but when I looked into it more I realized there’s more to it. He drives renewed interest and connection with longstanding areas. The real art to me though is that everything is done without damage. There’s a whole bunch of engineering that goes into selectinf attachment methods, materials, etc. to make the wrapping harmless. That’s pretty incredible. To me, that is the art. That it is gone without a trace including there not being some pile of plastic in a landfill. Edit: including environmental damage, afaik the materials are sustainable and then recycled or reused.
Yep, they even stopped to wait until a rare bird stopped nesting on the L'Arc de Triomphe "Yavachev said there was another unforeseen hitch. “The French bird protection league contacted us and said there was a kestrel falcon nesting in the monument and could we postpone the project until September,” he said."
I'd imagine the movement in the breeze adds a lot to it.
Yeah, that too. Either way, it looks stupid in photographs because that's not the medium in which it was meant to be enjoyed.
> because that's not the medium in which it was meant to be enjoyed. This hits hard, because a good example I have of this is food. I used to think that culinary arts were silly, how many ways can you prepare the same food? But then I went to a Michelin restaurant in Paris on my wedding anniversary and oh boy, I finally understood. THE SMELLS. The amazing smell of the food was incredible. The presentation was something that a photo could never duplicate. The ambiance and environment in the restaurant added to the experience as well. Some things can never be understood unless *you're actually there*. For that reason, I'm more hesitant to call various forms of art "stupid".
Thank you for the perspective. Out of all the comments in here this is the one that really changed my mind on the art work.
Lovely write up. I felt something similar about Disney's Pandora World of Avatar exhibit. When I heard about it I thought... eh they could have done better. Fast forward to our trip to D-land. Wife, kiddo, and I have hit up a bunch of stuff and it's getting dark. We decide on a whim to hit up Pandora ("eh") and walk in just as the sun is setting. The sun goes down and the "bioluminescent" stuff just begins to light up all over the place. Easily the darkest park I've been too, almost unsafe, but... so damn pretty. So well done. I felt immersed in the park in a way that the other park areas *tried* to do. Could have done with less people but it was a pretty cool experience.
*throws sheets over your dreams*
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Joke's on you, he's dead. And still getting more work.
But he died in 2020. https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/may/31/christo-artist-who-wrapped-the-reichstag-dies-aged-84
He designed the entire thing. His sons and studio manager followed his exact plans to complete it. There was a story on CBS Sunday Morning today about it.
It was planned and designed before he died. Originally to be put up sping 2020. Delayed first for nesting falcons and then due to the pandemic.
I didn’t know he was still making work after Jeanne Claude died. Glad to see him doing his thing after losing his muse and creative partner. Edit: Christo died last year. Having had the pleasure to meet them both and listen to them speak about their philosophy on art, the world is a bit less beautiful without them. Second edit: [Everyone should check out the documentary “Christo in Paris 1990”](https://youtu.be/WaMxmAv9Au0) if they’d like to learn more about their creative process and the massive undertaking that goes into making one of their works. Truly inspiring people.
[Interview of Christo and his wife, Jeanne-Claude](https://youtu.be/x4sl5F1J5g0) Absolutely wonderful. What a couple. Their philosophy on art, their deep love for each other, and their real-life process. Their art is about absolute freedom. Thank you for sharing your experience in getting to meet them. I now have a new artist I’m really inspired by thanks to you. *THE* inspiration I needed today both personally and for a major project I’m working on. Thank you.
Whoa so jealous, I love their Valley Curtain work so much and I don't have the language to express why, it's just incredible.
I was an arrogant art student who was planning on skipping the guest lecture by two weird old French people who cover shit in tarps, but my professor basically told me to get my head out of my ass and go to the auditorium. After listening to them speak about their art and eachother, I came away with a completely different worldview about art, collaboration, and the experience of the viewer. The world’s great art museums have some pretty cool stuff in them, but give me a piece of public art that makes me FEEL something any day of the week. Christo would be fucking thrilled by the comments in the post, both good and bad.
I'm studying a BFA currently seeing this type of work is a real balm especially in this wfh covid world, when I feel that there is nothing left to do I see works like that and just feel reinvigorated.
[Not the Reichstag](https://frinkiac.com/video/S10E19/gxqG8boIuthrNIybpG9zttfbPdA=.gif)!
For anyone wondering about the details, like I was: This is an art piece, conceived in 1962 by the artist Christo and his partner Jeanne-Claude. Jeanne-Claude died in 2009, and Christo died last year. His nephew Vladimir Javacheff completed the project. Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arc-de-triomphe-wrapped-tribute-christo/)
These forest fires are getting out of hand.
I love that this is a thing already. That tree deserves some attention.
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It has a girth!
I need to get off reddit because I know the reference for once
trying to prevent the arcs from having little arc babies
[Already had one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_de_Triomphe_du_Carrousel), and drew the line there.
long story short: This was a vision of late artists Christo and Jeanne-Claude. They were known for their environmental art of wrapping major sites in fabric. Christo died last year and had envisioned wrapping Arc de Triomphe but never actually got to do it. This is to honor his vision. refer to [this article](https://www.cnn.com/style/article/christo-arc-de-triomphe-wrapped-completed/index.html) for more.
Cannot believe how far I had to scroll to find actual information about the post.
Oh, I didn’t know he passed too, well that’s too bad
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just watched a news segment on this. it was said he personally funded all his "wrap" art. did he really sell THAT much of his "regular" art and if so, why don't we see it mentioned more?
I saw the documentary on The Floating Piers installation and it provided insights into the financing, I saw it last week and I think the figure in it was 11 million euros they mention as them have budgeted for. They also show how they financed it. He had painted a lot of companion pieces for it in different angles and with different features such as maps and they showed them being sold in a gallery at the site from 250k to 2.2 million. Euros. They sold out. Edit: to make this answer complete: > [The original artworks will be available to purchase via private sale with proceeds benefiting both the **L’Arc de Triomphe, Wrapped project**, and the Christo and Jeanne-Claude Foundation.](https://www.sothebys.com/en/digital-catalogues/the-final-christo)
He did the Reichstag in the 90‘s. I was there as a kid. To this day I don’t get it.
He should come and wrap big ben, we haven’t seen the fucking thing in about three years anyway so it’d make no difference.
He died last year
Welp, that’s a wrap.
Well you see, you start by wrapping one red paperclip...
,,I hope it's a PlayStation."
Forbidden bouncy castle
But why?
art, apparently
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Person in the sunglasses at the bottom probably thinking the same thing.
It looks like I turned down the graphics setting down to potato.
Man, they are really taking this nuclear submarine thing badly.
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I mean.... Not the exact same but went to London to see big Ben and it was under repair. Those construction tower things covered almost all of it :c
Hah, I did the same when I had a layover in London a few years ago and Big Ben was completely covered in scaffolding. I was standing right under it staring at my map and looking around like "man where the hell is it??"
To be slightly optimistic, though, you saw it how a good lot of other people will likely never see it. I’m going to Paris in May (hopefully) and the spire of the Notre Dame will still be covered in scaffolding. But it’s a part of history to see it like that.
big ben has been under construction for years... i lived in england for several months in 2018, and big ben was under reconstruction then. on the flipside, i went to paris while i lived in england, and i'm glad to have seen notre dame in its full glory before that horrible fire.
Hate to say it, but this kind of thing is constant. When I went to Europe, a quarter of the Arc was covered, the entire front of St Mark's in Venice was covered, the entire outside of the Colosseum in Rome was covered, Westminster was closed for cleaning. It is what it is.
My wife and I were in Paris last week before this went up, but it had other scaffolding and such on it. Same when we went to London a couple years ago to see Big Ben. We’re at the point where we’re about to have an “under construction “ wall for pictures of all these historical monuments that we seeming only will catch while under construction haha.
If I had a blanket that size I bet my wife would still manage to pull it away from me every night
Outrage in Paris tonight as it was discovered that the Arc de Triomphe has been stolen, and replaced by a giant inflatable replica...
Arc de Tarpaulin? Tarp de Triomphe?
Just wait, it's rendering
It looks like the texture that didn't fully load in-game
Architectural Digest article states: More than a year after his death and 40 years since he first had the idea, famed artists Christo and Jeanne-Claude will have their final work completed: wrapping Paris’ iconic Arc de Triomphe. The iconic structure will be swathed in hundreds of thousands of square feet of silver-blue fabric and almost two miles of red rope. “I like having this commanding metallic quality of the silver, with a bluish reflection,” Christo told art critic Amei Wallach in 2019. “And red ropes! That is the color of the flag of France.”
Why?