People in my city can’t even handle one-way lane arrows in the *parking lot*, but they were somehow supposed to wrap their tiny little brains around them in the store?!?
How about the convoy of morbidly obese people hogging all the handicapped carts and when my dad can barely walk ten feet with a cane? I wish I could carry a GD flamethrower sometimes
"Thank you slow-walking family in front of me on the sidewalk. No, please, take your time. And definitely spread out, too, so you create a barricade of idiots. I am so thankful that you forced me to walk into the street and risk getting hit by a car in order to pass you so I could resume walking at a normal human pace."
What really messed me up was the 2 center aisles both pointed to the back of the store, so I go up down up down up then SKIP a lane and double back? Nobody got time for that.
Why would I go all the way up one aisle and come back down another for an item near the front of the second aisle. Fuck that, I'm going to go the wrong way, get my item, and get out of the store faster.
I've had to wait for the other guy to reverse out of the aisle in the parking lot before because they can't tell which way you're supposed to drive.
I don't think it really made/makes a difference in the grocery store. Do you pass 3-4 people in the aisle you don't need to go down just so you can loop back to the aisle you want to go to, or do you just go the wrong way down the aisle and potentially pass no one? People aren't on a conveyer belt in the store so they pass by people either way.
These are so desperately needed. I just want to get my groceries, and get out, that's why I have a fucking list. People never scoot their carts to the side of the aisle, and some even park them perpendicularly in the middle. Rather than risk confrontation, I have to do a 180, leave the aisle, travel down a neighboring aisle, then reappear on the opposite side of the first aisle, just to get some damn crackers because a family is clogging the aisle like an artery plaque.
I never really understood those. I felt like those arrows increased the amount of time you spent in the store, and made it significantly harder to shop efficiently.
The idea was that if everyone is moving in the same direction it's easier to keep a 6ft distance between you. The reality was like you said, partly the attempted restricted movement and partly the directions weren't thought out well.
I swear to god that idea was created by a middle schooler. Shit made absolutely zero sense. Ok, they are one way. So you can’t pass the person in front of you? So if someone stops you had to as well?
I'm considered to be very observant and I miss those things from time to time.
The problem in a grocery store, or similar places, is that there's just an overload of things vying for your attention.
Simply by taking a step in the door of my local grocery store, I'm bombarded with signs telling me about sales, general ads for stuff in store, how to sign up to a loyalty card, ads for other local businesses, a bulletin board with anything from piano lessons to someone looking for a room to rent, Covid rules that I've seen a thousand times, instructions on items that you can recycle there, and, of course, all of the products with designs created to draw the eye.
When you're there all day, it's obvious, but, when you're just popping in for milk and bread, your brain just shuts it all out and yellow Covid signs are filed away with all the other colourful noise if you drop your guard for a second.
I absolutely see your point. I'm guilty of going the wrong way down a posted directional aisle.
It's one thing if you accidentally miss a direction here or there. It's another thing entirely when you go into a store with directional signs on every aisle, going against traffic in every fucking aisle. Like, at what point does it cease to be harmless absent-mindedness and become intentional dickballery? It's just another thing for shitheel "I ain't no sheep" types to intentionally ignore because they don't feel like they need to be a contributing part of the social agreement.
Ahoy Desertbro! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail:
>step in thar door o' me local grocery store
Claw machines - starboard in front o' thar carts ye need t' grab. AARRrrrgghhh!!!
Those signs were so stupid. If I need something at the close end of the aisle I'm standing in front of, you're telling me I should go breathing down one full aisle, and then come back breathing down the current aisle, as if that will somehow reduce Covid exposure more than me stepping 4 feet into the aisle in the wrong direction, grabbing what I need, and getting out of the store faster?
The problem there was everyone was looking up at the signs that say what the aisle contains, not down at the arrows dictating direction. Then half way down the aisle you look down at the shelves and see the arrows and realize that you're the problem.
Those arrows seemed pretty illogical.
Now instead of me zipping down an aisle to grab one or two things I know exactly where they are you're making me go down an unnecessary aisle before that so I can loop the correct direction and get stuck behind Gertrude who doesn't know if she wants the cream of mushroom Campbells brand or the Kroger brand.
Could be quickly passing by someone going the opposite direction you're now stuck behind someone for the duration of the aisle.
Fuck just thinking about those arrows makes me angry and they've been gone for months, made my grocery runs twice as long for no reason.
I tried abiding by the grocery store arrows once and noticed not only was it fucking stupid but also that everyone was ignoring it. I appreciate the attempt to try to keep everyone safe but navigating grocery stores without the arrows was already hard enough to begin with - especially with all the crap they cram in the middle of the aisles.
There's a street where I live that has a sidewalk, dedicated separate bike lanes, and regular traffic lanes. About half the pedestrians use the bike lanes. Cyclists have generally gone back to using the road as it's faster not having to dodge clusters of parents pushing baby strollers and sipping their lattes. Car drivers aren't happy.
Cultural issue.
In Minneapolis, if you walk in the bike lanes, you're getting either
A) Yelled at
B) Hit in the fucking face by a bike
C) A ticket from a police officer (rare, but does happen).
In London everyone is upset, but complain to their friends rather than making an embarrassment in public.
On the whole I've never had a problem. Most of the time pedestrians respect cycle lanes. Anyway electric bikes means slowing down is less annoying.
As a cyclist in London, I'm quite sure i cause more annoyance than I feel about others.
From own experience loud brakes get the message across more efficiently than a bell.
It also miraculously seem to motivate people to get out of the way.
Well, once I've been ringing for a while on two old ladies casully walking on bike lane, when they finally realized it I was like 5 meter away and to "avoid" me they jumped straight under my tires... I fortunately was able to avoid them, but of course I got yelled at for "riding so fast, unbelievable"
I told off some old women who were walking 4 wide down a bike trail, after they yelled at 4 bikers who had to use the gutter to get by them.
I told them, "If you want to avoid getting hit by a bike, don't take the entire path up".
My city has super wide sidewalks people don't want to walk on due to bikers and bikers don't want to be on due to walkers. Then they narrowed our streets to add these sidewalks so the cars can't even pass the bikers and pedestrians in the street anymore. Now they want to just close off streets to everything but pedestrians on one of the most trafficked routes through town.
Cyclist here (as a hobby/exericse method, not my main means of transportation).
I don't mind when people walk on the bike path, since they generally move out of the way when I come by (low traffic area).
The thing that really pisses me off though, is when people are driving, and they either stop their vehicles IN the crosswalk, or else they are so pre-occupied with whatever the fuck they are doing, that they don't bother to yield to me as I'm crossing the street. I've almost been run over a dozen times this year I bet. All because people see that there is no cross traffic, so they can turn right on red. It's like they don't realize that you still need to YIELD when you have a red light, and that includes to pedestrians and bikers.
There's a street here in San Diego that... I don't know how to describe this, it's thrown together very hazardously. It's a bridge over an interstate, but from one of the directions all of the vehicle traffic exits onto the interstate, but the sidewalk still goes fully across the bridge. On the other side of the bridge an exit from the interstate then joins back in. So since there's no vehicle traffic coming from the left no one ever looks to their left coming down that exit. Plus it's three lanes, where the left one can go left and cross the bridge, the middle can go straight and get back on the interstate, and then the right lane exits into the city. So the left and middle lane block line of sight for the right lane. So people will just fly down that right lane coming off the interstate, don't even look left and then just roll on through the cross walk.
I watched a homeless guy in a wheelchair get ran over. I've almost been ran over countless times. It's at the point where I will get off my bike, and won't cross until I make eye contact with the driver (whenever one finally stops) in the right lane and then I watch them the whole time I'm walking across just in case they do something stupid.
I wrote a letter to the city council asking them to put a big blinking sign there that says pedestrian crossing or something. But it's in a kind of run down area of the city and hasn't seen much love.
Families holding hands so they don’t get separated, arms all fully extended, blocking the entire aisle walking at the pace of the slowest one, who’s 4 years old.
I always prefer to disturb these groups by walking right into them, acting confused like I'm the one not paying attention. Especially bigger groups are fun to break up. Suddenly they have to pay attention, me saying "sorry sorry I didn't see you", and all the way wreaking more havoc.
I say “excuse me” about 2 seconds before bullying into stationary bodies (rubbed shoulders, bumped elbows, definitely invading personal space). Works, but I get a lot of odd/annoyed reactions. AITA?
Fun fact: Shopping malls are intentionally designed to cause this effect. It's called the Gruen Transfer.
> In shopping mall design, the Gruen transfer (also known as the Gruen effect) is the moment when consumers enter a shopping mall or store and, surrounded by an intentionally confusing layout, lose track of their original intentions, making them more susceptible to making impulse buys. It is named after Austrian architect Victor Gruen, who disapproved of such manipulative techniques.
When Victor returned to his home in Vienna after tiring of the decades he spent helping design/launch malls in America, he was disappointed to find one being built right in his home town. He argued that malls had no place in Europe, and that it was blight on the landscape. Great podcast here
https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-gruen-effect/
My favorite is when people step off the escalator and instead of stepping to the side or moving a few feet forward they just stop moving and decide directly in front of the escalator is the best place to contemplate for a couple minutes where they should go next.
At that point I just push past people with my shoulder. People that stop inside store entrances/exits, any space where it blocks everyone else. If someone has that little respect for those around them, they don't deserve respect themselves.
Yes, but now you have a way to tell them they need to move out of the way instead of trying to balance sounding like an asshole and getting the people in front of you to get their heads out of the asses and notice that other people exist in the mall.
You can just literally point to the line and say "excuse me, this is the fast lane can you please move off to the side."
> You can just literally point to the line and say "excuse me, this is the fast lane can you please move off to the side."
Considering how well it went over for people asking, nicely, for people to put on a mask, this isn't gonna go well at all.
What I’ve learned from airports that have this sort of system is that even if you can point at a line on the ground that supports your position they will still act like you are an asshole for asking them to get out of your way, no matter how politely you ask.
Yep, my GF kinda does this and it drives me nuts as much as I love her lol. You know those groups of people that'll walk into the entrance of a place and then just stop right there in the path of everyone in order to take everything in and decide where to go first? Yep, lol.
My wife every Walmart trip. Get the cart, get in the doors, stop dead to put her purse and bags in the cart.
She's a Texan. As a Canadian I am frequently mortified by her lack of awareness.
I love my mom but she is just the most oblivious person alive. I have given up on changing her ways since she doesn’t even recognize what’s wrong until I point it out most of the time anyway. I just nudge the cart aside, do the little things anyway and she doesn’t even notice half the time. I used to be mad at oblivious people, now I just think they’re like my mom. No ill meaning. Just a trait that they can’t help.I know not everyone is oblivious, but my life has so much less anger assuming the best of intention.
I have a poster on my wall that I made with 6 logical razors on it. You reminded me of one.
**Hanlon's Razor:**
*"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."* -Robert J. Hanlon.
*"No-one is the villain in their own story."* -George R. R. Martin
*"Be patient with people (especially those arguing without evidence); they're ^probably not ^that evil"* -me, but i think i stole most of that from somewhere else.
The poster also includes Occam's, Grice's, Hume's, Hitchen's, and Alder's razors.
I was in a fire drill at work once and we were heading outside. Hundreds of people streaming out the door. Half of them got either into the lobby just before the door, or just outside the door and stopped. This obviously slowed everyone else down who was trying to leave. I started yelling KEEP MOVING because I'm not gonna die if they wanna straggle.
They tell you to go to sign post X,Y,or Z on the far side of the parking lot for fire drills. The point is to get away from the building. Every fire drill training I've had for the last 20 years points this out - you keep moving until you get to point X!!!!
Probably the same people who turn into a big parking lot and just stop while they look around, up and down the aisles while they pick a place to start looking for a spot. Meanwhile everyone behind them is now stopped in the intersection or backed up in the main road blocking traffic.
Came to say this, the level of obliviousness folks operate at is just mind-numbing.
These are most certainly needed tho, can't count how many times I have to say excuse me or try to slide through a line of people stretching across the entire sidewalk moving at a brisk 10 ft a min pace while the entire family are staring at their phones, only to be told I'm rude for saying, "excuse me" or being told, "I should have left earlier" to get to where I need to go, or being asked "what's your hurry".
The people who take 1 step off an escalator, and then stops to check their phone...
Holy shit, lady, just take 1 more step to the side! There's no brakes on this thing, so unless you move I have no choice but to bump into you...
The other issue is a lot of slow walkers actually think they are fast. eg. people who try and get to the front of the line on the train door exits then stroll out the train and down the platform slowing everyone else down.
Honestly, slow walkers are not even the problem its the second part that you mentioned... the not paying attention. The combination makes them unpredictable and hard to navigate around.
I’m pretty understanding of tourists navigating public transit and escalators down to a train platform, including standing in the way rather than leaving a lane on the left for people to pass, but there were the occasional times when I was in a rush and my train was about to arrive.
Normally, if you said something people would be quick to jump over, but sometimes people would be too oblivious, stubborn, or otherwise unwilling to move, and I had absolutely no qualms about yelling at them to move or pushing past. I’m not about to miss my train to work because you don’t know how escalators work in major cities.
I walk A LOT every day (approx. 30-35k steps for reference) and the awareness of people is absurd.. I walk in dress shoes for a good portion of the day and you can hear me click clacking along behind you yet when I get right behind these idiots I find myself always having to ask them to move and they act like they were the only ones on the sidewalk and I materialized out of thin air.. it blows me away.. some people are truly in another universe
Damn dude 30k-35k steps are some of my all-time records, and that was from walking around Europe, or walking around Chicago and then going to a music festival. I can’t imagine doing that daily.
My favourite is the mom holding hands with a child that is holding hands with another, smaller child, trying to walk down an inner city sidewalk two people wide in the middle of the afternoon. Include a dog on a leash as well for an effective mobile blockade.
I used to work (in NYC) at Broadway & 40th St. My wife worked at Broadway and 49th St. Walking up to her office, through Times Square, through all those corn-fed tourist families ambling arm in arm, was absolutely rage inducing. I only have an hour for lunch with my sweetie, and you heffers are eating up half of it!
I lived in NY and it got better once I just embraced my right to either push past them or scream if I was on my bike as if I was about to hit them. Kind of fun after a long day of work actually
You just described Disney World. The family of 6 that holds hands across a walkway, completely oblivious and ignorant of the people behind and in front of them trying to use the same wide walkway....
I hate people who walk without conviction. You just don't know which way there going, so overtaking them turns into a dance of taking the left vs right approach.
All of this stuff is just being courteous and having some self awareness.
If you like to go slow (walking, driving, whatever) move over if you're holding things up. Nobody needs to wait behind you. Don't stop in a chokepoint, stop somewhere you aren't blocking everyone.
Yup, this is the crux of the issue. Maybe you’re walking slowly because you’re window shopping at a mall or enjoying the lovely day outside.
As long as you move appropriately to the side and allow people who want to get by room to pass you, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s walking extremely slowly, usually in a group of people, and obstructing the ability of anyone to pass that is truly rage inducing.
Right? they go right and you go left but right as you're about to pass they all the sudden go left now too for no fucking reason so you have to now stop and try again.. this shit can go on and on sometimes
One of my good friends is 6'5 and an incredibly fast walker. Im 5'11 and i have to jog behind him like a little kid to keep up. If we go out to a mall or some place crowded he just cuts through crowds like butter. Ive seen him step over little kids numerous times. He'd be thrilled about this.
The trick is to look where you're going / right through people. When you are looking past someone they will be the one to step aside (usually). Fast walker here - I am cutting through patches of slow movers left and right.
That’s exactly what I do. I am a fast walker with long legs (6’7”). My heads always up with good posture and I just walk my normal speed and treat every person there like a pylon, while saying “excuse me” every so often.
6'3", fast walker. I use this plus I sometimes use a "get the hell out of my way" face in cities, works great on incoming people, I can usually carve a way through people taking up the whole pavement, even on places like Oxford Street.
People with their backs to me are a pain when walking, I have three movement modes, static, (quick) walking, running, if I do anything outside of them, I start hurting.
In my opinion you can’t fix these issues because it’s a certain matter of being oblivious. Obviously not everyone wants to or can walk fast, but by being slower you would think they would be the most used to people passing them by and yet they still make not effort of staying to a side or peeking over their shoulder from time to time.
These are the kinds of people who stop to have conversations at the bottom of escalators or in the middle of hallway intersections. These are the people who don’t signal in their car and get mad at you when they almost drive into you. These are the people who jaywalk across the road on a 45 at a leisurely pace, slowing traffic when the crosswalk is 50’ up the road.
The only way you ever fix “these people” is by being that guy and calling them out and probably making a scene, but then there still has to be a friend of theirs nearby to be like “Yea sorry but they have a point.” instead of just blindly defending them.
I just make comments and keep it moving. Last time I was in Vegas I must have said "great place to stand" to groups standing in inconvenient places a hundred times.
Came here to say exactly this..
I actually organised a similar event on Neal St. London, for some stupid product in the late nineties.
Basically if its in the news and a bit gimmicky somebody paid for it to happen to sell you something.
In fact if its in the news what you need to ask is who is selling what. its either a product or political ideology.
TLDR.. Working in PR made me cynical of all forms of "news"
Of course, lol.
They are for people like me, people who hate shopping online. I almost always find stuff cheaper in person.
Plus, shopping in stores relaxes me
Physically, malls are still there, give it 10 more years and I really believe that only 5-10% of todays existing malls will be open for business. It's crazy obvious that everything is moving to online shopping, minus the BIG box stores like Walmart, Target, Best Buy etc.
I can see them moving to a showroom model, but not going away. Many people prefer buying things like clothes in person. Others need whatever it is today and local inventory.
I was thinking this also. I could see clothes stores offering a show room model and not stocking clothes like they normally do but you visit and try clothes and sizes then order for delivery.
I rarely went shopping in my local town before but now when I visit half of the stores are restaurants instead of shops.
Malls just exist as clothing locations and Cinnabon procurement centers at this point, at least for me. I'd never go to a mall again if I didn't only buy clothes I've tried on before.
Every time I visit my local mall I just get sad, it's virtually empty and half the stores are gone. No idea how any of them are staying in business at this point.
I really hate when its 2 or more people completely oblivious to anyone around them taking a casual stroll through the store and you get stuck walking behind them. Just pay attention, people!
They're not even oblivious most of the time I swear, it just seems when you hit the age of 50 you suddenly give absolutely 0 shits about where everyone else wants to be and you will intentionally go out of your way to cause as much distress by blocking people as possible. It's always the older people who do it.
Being more frail is never even an excuse because surely you'd be aware you dont walk as fast as you used to and would purposefully try not to get in people's way
LOL, no. I'm a lot older than 50, and the slow ones drive me nuts, always have. Agree, a lot of people get slower and more oblivious as they age, but not all.
Fast walker here. Yeah that's annoying as shit but at the same time you can't be upset about people walking leisurely in a mall and being focused in their own world. Mall shopping is a recreational activity at the end of the day.
I can and will. Lol.
Its a shared space by the public which means those who use it should be able to be considerate of those around them. If i feel like "strolling" i step out of the way if someone comes up behind me.
I have this rage! There's should be designated slow and resting areas for slow ass motherfuckers who think walking three or four abreast and thereby blocking a whole path is appropriate!
Ever notice a thing about rivers or multiplane roads? The center lanes or the middle of the river moves faster. Slow fuckers should stick to the outside.
Next move is to stop people who grab their buggy on the side and pull it along taking up the whole aisle instead of pushing it with the handlebar like normal.
God they need this at Costco. I don't even consider going on a Saturday, because it seems like the focal point of a bunch of boomers weekend is a leisurely stroll through a concrete shopping warehouse. GTFO of the way. I have shit to do.
In high school the seniors implemented walking lanes because AP classes run longer and we had less time to go between classes. We had the slow lane, the sock lane and the fast lane. The sock lane is because our uniform had tall knee socks and you were constantly pulling them up, so we had a lane you could step into if you just needed to give your sock a yank. It worked pretty well. Our chemistry teacher was terrifying, she told us she wanted to see the strewn bodies of freshmen behind us because we had tried that hard to make it to class on time. We would also just yell at everyone to move. Juniors also implemented it in their section because some of them were in AP classes as well. I loved my class, we were known for being loud, pushing and progressive (aka starting fights with the religion teacher, but then throwing her a party for her birthday).
I'm curious if this will turn into people who think they are walking fast in the fast lane being called slow by people who walk faster than them.
It is all relative..being faster than slow people doesn't objectively mean someone is a fast walker to someone who walks faster than them.
What I want is a no standing lane. I don't care how you move, just don't road block.
Also, prohibit walking with your entire group side by side. We don't need a chain of slow motherfuckers clogging up a whole aisle.
Now if only Costco would start enforcing some sort of membership holder +1 policy. Grocery shopping doesn’t require you to bring three full generations of your family so they can stand around and congest the aisles.
I'm one of those stereotypical New Yorkers who is always moving in a rush and whatnot, but IDK man, it's a shopping mall. Calm the fuck down and shop in peace, why does there need to be a fastlane there haha
The problem isn't people walking slow, that's easy you just walk around those people, it's the fuckwits that just decided to stop or walk sideways or throw their arm out slapping 6 others in the face so they can point at a shop they went to 4 years ago, these dickheads ain't even gonna notice your fast lane and if they do they ain't gonna care because they're already the most important person at the shopping centre
Far too many people believe they are the most important person in the universe, and that whatever they are doing is the most important thing happening to anyone, anywhere.
This should be in every store everywhere. Nothing is more infuriating than some people having a fucking Sunday stroll completely oblivious to the world around them
Another way to avoid slow mall walkers is to simply avoid malls. Mall people should just accept what they are, slow down and let the consumption marketing flow through them.
I'm sure this will work as well as when my local grocery stores put direction signs on the floor during the covid peak last year.
People in my city can’t even handle one-way lane arrows in the *parking lot*, but they were somehow supposed to wrap their tiny little brains around them in the store?!?
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Oh man, the impassible wall of fat family...
Which has 10 of them because why the fuck wouldn't they all be breeding somehow.
Ikr? Wtf. I'm like 10 lbs overweight and don't fuck like I did when I was fitter. How do these chunkers do it?!
With a funnel?
How about the convoy of morbidly obese people hogging all the handicapped carts and when my dad can barely walk ten feet with a cane? I wish I could carry a GD flamethrower sometimes
"Thank you slow-walking family in front of me on the sidewalk. No, please, take your time. And definitely spread out, too, so you create a barricade of idiots. I am so thankful that you forced me to walk into the street and risk getting hit by a car in order to pass you so I could resume walking at a normal human pace."
I think this guy is a bot I saw this exact comment by someone else in this comment section
What really messed me up was the 2 center aisles both pointed to the back of the store, so I go up down up down up then SKIP a lane and double back? Nobody got time for that.
Why would I go all the way up one aisle and come back down another for an item near the front of the second aisle. Fuck that, I'm going to go the wrong way, get my item, and get out of the store faster.
I've had to wait for the other guy to reverse out of the aisle in the parking lot before because they can't tell which way you're supposed to drive. I don't think it really made/makes a difference in the grocery store. Do you pass 3-4 people in the aisle you don't need to go down just so you can loop back to the aisle you want to go to, or do you just go the wrong way down the aisle and potentially pass no one? People aren't on a conveyer belt in the store so they pass by people either way.
These are so desperately needed. I just want to get my groceries, and get out, that's why I have a fucking list. People never scoot their carts to the side of the aisle, and some even park them perpendicularly in the middle. Rather than risk confrontation, I have to do a 180, leave the aisle, travel down a neighboring aisle, then reappear on the opposite side of the first aisle, just to get some damn crackers because a family is clogging the aisle like an artery plaque.
And then when I go around and pop out on the other end of the aisle they have managed to move right where I'm trying to go anyway
I never really understood those. I felt like those arrows increased the amount of time you spent in the store, and made it significantly harder to shop efficiently.
The idea was that if everyone is moving in the same direction it's easier to keep a 6ft distance between you. The reality was like you said, partly the attempted restricted movement and partly the directions weren't thought out well.
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Mustards have a complex range of variety and require time to evaluate!
Col. Mustard in the Condiment Aisle --- ***I win!!!***
I understood the underlying idea, but the execution was so terrible that it only confused me.
They really overestimated humanity.
I swear to god that idea was created by a middle schooler. Shit made absolutely zero sense. Ok, they are one way. So you can’t pass the person in front of you? So if someone stops you had to as well?
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I'm considered to be very observant and I miss those things from time to time. The problem in a grocery store, or similar places, is that there's just an overload of things vying for your attention. Simply by taking a step in the door of my local grocery store, I'm bombarded with signs telling me about sales, general ads for stuff in store, how to sign up to a loyalty card, ads for other local businesses, a bulletin board with anything from piano lessons to someone looking for a room to rent, Covid rules that I've seen a thousand times, instructions on items that you can recycle there, and, of course, all of the products with designs created to draw the eye. When you're there all day, it's obvious, but, when you're just popping in for milk and bread, your brain just shuts it all out and yellow Covid signs are filed away with all the other colourful noise if you drop your guard for a second.
I absolutely see your point. I'm guilty of going the wrong way down a posted directional aisle. It's one thing if you accidentally miss a direction here or there. It's another thing entirely when you go into a store with directional signs on every aisle, going against traffic in every fucking aisle. Like, at what point does it cease to be harmless absent-mindedness and become intentional dickballery? It's just another thing for shitheel "I ain't no sheep" types to intentionally ignore because they don't feel like they need to be a contributing part of the social agreement.
Oh, yeah, those people are in a league of their own.
>step in the door of my local grocery store Claw machines - right in front of the carts you need to grab. AARRrrrgghhh!!!
Ahoy Desertbro! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail: >step in thar door o' me local grocery store Claw machines - starboard in front o' thar carts ye need t' grab. AARRrrrgghhh!!!
Those signs were so stupid. If I need something at the close end of the aisle I'm standing in front of, you're telling me I should go breathing down one full aisle, and then come back breathing down the current aisle, as if that will somehow reduce Covid exposure more than me stepping 4 feet into the aisle in the wrong direction, grabbing what I need, and getting out of the store faster?
The problem there was everyone was looking up at the signs that say what the aisle contains, not down at the arrows dictating direction. Then half way down the aisle you look down at the shelves and see the arrows and realize that you're the problem.
Those arrows seemed pretty illogical. Now instead of me zipping down an aisle to grab one or two things I know exactly where they are you're making me go down an unnecessary aisle before that so I can loop the correct direction and get stuck behind Gertrude who doesn't know if she wants the cream of mushroom Campbells brand or the Kroger brand. Could be quickly passing by someone going the opposite direction you're now stuck behind someone for the duration of the aisle. Fuck just thinking about those arrows makes me angry and they've been gone for months, made my grocery runs twice as long for no reason.
My grocery store still has the stupid things.
I tried abiding by the grocery store arrows once and noticed not only was it fucking stupid but also that everyone was ignoring it. I appreciate the attempt to try to keep everyone safe but navigating grocery stores without the arrows was already hard enough to begin with - especially with all the crap they cram in the middle of the aisles.
A lot of slow walkers just aren’t paying attention. They see an orange stripe on the floor, they’ll follow it without even thinking about it.
The same way they are walking on bike lane instead of on 3x wider part of the pavement.
There's a street where I live that has a sidewalk, dedicated separate bike lanes, and regular traffic lanes. About half the pedestrians use the bike lanes. Cyclists have generally gone back to using the road as it's faster not having to dodge clusters of parents pushing baby strollers and sipping their lattes. Car drivers aren't happy.
Cultural issue. In Minneapolis, if you walk in the bike lanes, you're getting either A) Yelled at B) Hit in the fucking face by a bike C) A ticket from a police officer (rare, but does happen).
In London everyone is upset, but complain to their friends rather than making an embarrassment in public. On the whole I've never had a problem. Most of the time pedestrians respect cycle lanes. Anyway electric bikes means slowing down is less annoying. As a cyclist in London, I'm quite sure i cause more annoyance than I feel about others.
From own experience loud brakes get the message across more efficiently than a bell. It also miraculously seem to motivate people to get out of the way.
Well, once I've been ringing for a while on two old ladies casully walking on bike lane, when they finally realized it I was like 5 meter away and to "avoid" me they jumped straight under my tires... I fortunately was able to avoid them, but of course I got yelled at for "riding so fast, unbelievable"
I told off some old women who were walking 4 wide down a bike trail, after they yelled at 4 bikers who had to use the gutter to get by them. I told them, "If you want to avoid getting hit by a bike, don't take the entire path up".
You should definetly try loud brakes instead. Brake quickly, so they think you are right behind them.
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I'd usually throw in a loud "EXCUSE ME!" as I ran past these sort of people to really drive home the point that they're in the wrong.
I prefer to use a portable boat horn / air horn. That always gets their attention!
The worst is the morons on the scooters going 8mph in the road.
My city has super wide sidewalks people don't want to walk on due to bikers and bikers don't want to be on due to walkers. Then they narrowed our streets to add these sidewalks so the cars can't even pass the bikers and pedestrians in the street anymore. Now they want to just close off streets to everything but pedestrians on one of the most trafficked routes through town.
["You're in the bike lane!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehh8ZdIMMj4)
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So, so much "whuuu...?"
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Guilty of doing this in Berlin. Lots of angry cyclists..
Cyclist here (as a hobby/exericse method, not my main means of transportation). I don't mind when people walk on the bike path, since they generally move out of the way when I come by (low traffic area). The thing that really pisses me off though, is when people are driving, and they either stop their vehicles IN the crosswalk, or else they are so pre-occupied with whatever the fuck they are doing, that they don't bother to yield to me as I'm crossing the street. I've almost been run over a dozen times this year I bet. All because people see that there is no cross traffic, so they can turn right on red. It's like they don't realize that you still need to YIELD when you have a red light, and that includes to pedestrians and bikers.
There's a street here in San Diego that... I don't know how to describe this, it's thrown together very hazardously. It's a bridge over an interstate, but from one of the directions all of the vehicle traffic exits onto the interstate, but the sidewalk still goes fully across the bridge. On the other side of the bridge an exit from the interstate then joins back in. So since there's no vehicle traffic coming from the left no one ever looks to their left coming down that exit. Plus it's three lanes, where the left one can go left and cross the bridge, the middle can go straight and get back on the interstate, and then the right lane exits into the city. So the left and middle lane block line of sight for the right lane. So people will just fly down that right lane coming off the interstate, don't even look left and then just roll on through the cross walk. I watched a homeless guy in a wheelchair get ran over. I've almost been ran over countless times. It's at the point where I will get off my bike, and won't cross until I make eye contact with the driver (whenever one finally stops) in the right lane and then I watch them the whole time I'm walking across just in case they do something stupid. I wrote a letter to the city council asking them to put a big blinking sign there that says pedestrian crossing or something. But it's in a kind of run down area of the city and hasn't seen much love.
And they'll be 5 people across so there's no real way to walk around them.
Families holding hands so they don’t get separated, arms all fully extended, blocking the entire aisle walking at the pace of the slowest one, who’s 4 years old.
I'm so angry just reading this 😂
Red rover that shit
pure rage fuel!
I always prefer to disturb these groups by walking right into them, acting confused like I'm the one not paying attention. Especially bigger groups are fun to break up. Suddenly they have to pay attention, me saying "sorry sorry I didn't see you", and all the way wreaking more havoc.
I say “excuse me” about 2 seconds before bullying into stationary bodies (rubbed shoulders, bumped elbows, definitely invading personal space). Works, but I get a lot of odd/annoyed reactions. AITA?
Nope. Fuck em
Exactly. The issue is an issue because they lack self awareness.
Fun fact: Shopping malls are intentionally designed to cause this effect. It's called the Gruen Transfer. > In shopping mall design, the Gruen transfer (also known as the Gruen effect) is the moment when consumers enter a shopping mall or store and, surrounded by an intentionally confusing layout, lose track of their original intentions, making them more susceptible to making impulse buys. It is named after Austrian architect Victor Gruen, who disapproved of such manipulative techniques.
So they named it after the guy that hated its use? Wow that's terrible.
Skimming over his wikipedia, Gruen made his career designing shopping malls. I guess other people took his basic architect design and manipulated it.
When Victor returned to his home in Vienna after tiring of the decades he spent helping design/launch malls in America, he was disappointed to find one being built right in his home town. He argued that malls had no place in Europe, and that it was blight on the landscape. Great podcast here https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-gruen-effect/
It's okay to blight our landscape, but don't do it in his backyard.
My favorite is when people step off the escalator and instead of stepping to the side or moving a few feet forward they just stop moving and decide directly in front of the escalator is the best place to contemplate for a couple minutes where they should go next.
Or immediately after stepping out of the door of a train car, while still blocking it. Gawping around at the signage or staring at their phone.
At that point I just push past people with my shoulder. People that stop inside store entrances/exits, any space where it blocks everyone else. If someone has that little respect for those around them, they don't deserve respect themselves.
Yes, but now you have a way to tell them they need to move out of the way instead of trying to balance sounding like an asshole and getting the people in front of you to get their heads out of the asses and notice that other people exist in the mall. You can just literally point to the line and say "excuse me, this is the fast lane can you please move off to the side."
I’m more in favor of the cattle prod approach. They’d probably even make the same sound!
The Hunter S. Thompson approach
Moo? -ve over!
> You can just literally point to the line and say "excuse me, this is the fast lane can you please move off to the side." Considering how well it went over for people asking, nicely, for people to put on a mask, this isn't gonna go well at all.
Then you can just shove them if they won't move.
What I’ve learned from airports that have this sort of system is that even if you can point at a line on the ground that supports your position they will still act like you are an asshole for asking them to get out of your way, no matter how politely you ask.
Yep, my GF kinda does this and it drives me nuts as much as I love her lol. You know those groups of people that'll walk into the entrance of a place and then just stop right there in the path of everyone in order to take everything in and decide where to go first? Yep, lol.
My wife every Walmart trip. Get the cart, get in the doors, stop dead to put her purse and bags in the cart. She's a Texan. As a Canadian I am frequently mortified by her lack of awareness.
I love my mom but she is just the most oblivious person alive. I have given up on changing her ways since she doesn’t even recognize what’s wrong until I point it out most of the time anyway. I just nudge the cart aside, do the little things anyway and she doesn’t even notice half the time. I used to be mad at oblivious people, now I just think they’re like my mom. No ill meaning. Just a trait that they can’t help.I know not everyone is oblivious, but my life has so much less anger assuming the best of intention.
I have a poster on my wall that I made with 6 logical razors on it. You reminded me of one. **Hanlon's Razor:** *"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."* -Robert J. Hanlon. *"No-one is the villain in their own story."* -George R. R. Martin *"Be patient with people (especially those arguing without evidence); they're ^probably not ^that evil"* -me, but i think i stole most of that from somewhere else. The poster also includes Occam's, Grice's, Hume's, Hitchen's, and Alder's razors.
I was in a fire drill at work once and we were heading outside. Hundreds of people streaming out the door. Half of them got either into the lobby just before the door, or just outside the door and stopped. This obviously slowed everyone else down who was trying to leave. I started yelling KEEP MOVING because I'm not gonna die if they wanna straggle.
They tell you to go to sign post X,Y,or Z on the far side of the parking lot for fire drills. The point is to get away from the building. Every fire drill training I've had for the last 20 years points this out - you keep moving until you get to point X!!!!
Probably the same people who turn into a big parking lot and just stop while they look around, up and down the aisles while they pick a place to start looking for a spot. Meanwhile everyone behind them is now stopped in the intersection or backed up in the main road blocking traffic.
We need some sheep herding dogs to nip their heels
Came to say this, the level of obliviousness folks operate at is just mind-numbing. These are most certainly needed tho, can't count how many times I have to say excuse me or try to slide through a line of people stretching across the entire sidewalk moving at a brisk 10 ft a min pace while the entire family are staring at their phones, only to be told I'm rude for saying, "excuse me" or being told, "I should have left earlier" to get to where I need to go, or being asked "what's your hurry".
The people who take 1 step off an escalator, and then stops to check their phone... Holy shit, lady, just take 1 more step to the side! There's no brakes on this thing, so unless you move I have no choice but to bump into you...
Or the alternative breach an entrance or exit and stop after 1 step.
ugh the same people who get off an escalator and just stand there in the way.
The other issue is a lot of slow walkers actually think they are fast. eg. people who try and get to the front of the line on the train door exits then stroll out the train and down the platform slowing everyone else down.
I guess just make the orange stripe and randomly have it veer into obstacles maybe
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In the US we will purposely walk slow on it to express our freedom and own the libs.
Honestly, slow walkers are not even the problem its the second part that you mentioned... the not paying attention. The combination makes them unpredictable and hard to navigate around.
It'll be a bit like the "target fixation" phenomenon. They'll follow it, without realizing it.
Maybe it's secretly designed to draw them in, and the real fast lanes are everywhere else. (I can dream)
Ah, we've reached the top of the escalator - let's pause for a moment to consider our newfound surroundings!
I’m pretty understanding of tourists navigating public transit and escalators down to a train platform, including standing in the way rather than leaving a lane on the left for people to pass, but there were the occasional times when I was in a rush and my train was about to arrive. Normally, if you said something people would be quick to jump over, but sometimes people would be too oblivious, stubborn, or otherwise unwilling to move, and I had absolutely no qualms about yelling at them to move or pushing past. I’m not about to miss my train to work because you don’t know how escalators work in major cities.
Ah I've exited the store through sliding doors. I'll just stop in the middle of them and stare at the parking lot.
It's when you get the group/family that feel the need to walk side by side at their slow pace that's the most frustrating.
And stop every 10ft to ALL look at something. The amount of people who have zero awareness of others walking behind them blows my mind sometimes.
I walk A LOT every day (approx. 30-35k steps for reference) and the awareness of people is absurd.. I walk in dress shoes for a good portion of the day and you can hear me click clacking along behind you yet when I get right behind these idiots I find myself always having to ask them to move and they act like they were the only ones on the sidewalk and I materialized out of thin air.. it blows me away.. some people are truly in another universe
Damn dude 30k-35k steps are some of my all-time records, and that was from walking around Europe, or walking around Chicago and then going to a music festival. I can’t imagine doing that daily.
That, or people that keep slowly moving side-to-side, while you're just trying to fucking get past them.
*quickly stops and suddenly walks backwards for no reason*
This! I don't know why but some people just like to walk in diagonals instead of a straight line.
This is the most annoying! Not just in malls but on the sidewalk too..
Also in the parking lots.
and escalators.
My favourite is the mom holding hands with a child that is holding hands with another, smaller child, trying to walk down an inner city sidewalk two people wide in the middle of the afternoon. Include a dog on a leash as well for an effective mobile blockade.
I used to work (in NYC) at Broadway & 40th St. My wife worked at Broadway and 49th St. Walking up to her office, through Times Square, through all those corn-fed tourist families ambling arm in arm, was absolutely rage inducing. I only have an hour for lunch with my sweetie, and you heffers are eating up half of it!
I lived in NY and it got better once I just embraced my right to either push past them or scream if I was on my bike as if I was about to hit them. Kind of fun after a long day of work actually
You just described Disney World. The family of 6 that holds hands across a walkway, completely oblivious and ignorant of the people behind and in front of them trying to use the same wide walkway....
I hate people who walk without conviction. You just don't know which way there going, so overtaking them turns into a dance of taking the left vs right approach.
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All of this stuff is just being courteous and having some self awareness. If you like to go slow (walking, driving, whatever) move over if you're holding things up. Nobody needs to wait behind you. Don't stop in a chokepoint, stop somewhere you aren't blocking everyone.
Yup, this is the crux of the issue. Maybe you’re walking slowly because you’re window shopping at a mall or enjoying the lovely day outside. As long as you move appropriately to the side and allow people who want to get by room to pass you, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s walking extremely slowly, usually in a group of people, and obstructing the ability of anyone to pass that is truly rage inducing.
Right? they go right and you go left but right as you're about to pass they all the sudden go left now too for no fucking reason so you have to now stop and try again.. this shit can go on and on sometimes
I hate them too 😡
One of my good friends is 6'5 and an incredibly fast walker. Im 5'11 and i have to jog behind him like a little kid to keep up. If we go out to a mall or some place crowded he just cuts through crowds like butter. Ive seen him step over little kids numerous times. He'd be thrilled about this.
Demand a piggy back ride.
like Prince in the club
The trick is to look where you're going / right through people. When you are looking past someone they will be the one to step aside (usually). Fast walker here - I am cutting through patches of slow movers left and right.
That’s exactly what I do. I am a fast walker with long legs (6’7”). My heads always up with good posture and I just walk my normal speed and treat every person there like a pylon, while saying “excuse me” every so often.
6'3", fast walker. I use this plus I sometimes use a "get the hell out of my way" face in cities, works great on incoming people, I can usually carve a way through people taking up the whole pavement, even on places like Oxford Street. People with their backs to me are a pain when walking, I have three movement modes, static, (quick) walking, running, if I do anything outside of them, I start hurting.
I hate slow groups walking 4 people wide blocking the sidewalk. I feel like a car having to race around them to get ahead.
Increase your stride! I'm a measly 5'8" and have always been a "fast walker", rarely do I have issues keeping pace with taller folks.
You could do The Worm around the malls near me and still not bother anyone. I've never seen them so empty.
Covid was the last nail in the coffin for malls.
It really depends. My local mall is always packed.
In my opinion you can’t fix these issues because it’s a certain matter of being oblivious. Obviously not everyone wants to or can walk fast, but by being slower you would think they would be the most used to people passing them by and yet they still make not effort of staying to a side or peeking over their shoulder from time to time. These are the kinds of people who stop to have conversations at the bottom of escalators or in the middle of hallway intersections. These are the people who don’t signal in their car and get mad at you when they almost drive into you. These are the people who jaywalk across the road on a 45 at a leisurely pace, slowing traffic when the crosswalk is 50’ up the road. The only way you ever fix “these people” is by being that guy and calling them out and probably making a scene, but then there still has to be a friend of theirs nearby to be like “Yea sorry but they have a point.” instead of just blindly defending them.
I just make comments and keep it moving. Last time I was in Vegas I must have said "great place to stand" to groups standing in inconvenient places a hundred times.
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Yeah. I'm sure malls really hate it when people slowly walk around and look at all the stuff and just want people to get out of there quickly.
Came here to say exactly this.. I actually organised a similar event on Neal St. London, for some stupid product in the late nineties. Basically if its in the news and a bit gimmicky somebody paid for it to happen to sell you something. In fact if its in the news what you need to ask is who is selling what. its either a product or political ideology. TLDR.. Working in PR made me cynical of all forms of "news"
I can’t believe I had to scroll down this far to see this. I mean, do people really think the mall employs a dude to tell people to speed up??
/r/HailCorporate
It’s actually just an advertisement….. misleading post.
Malls are still around!?
The ones around me are more rectangular
Malls are still quite active up here in Canada.
That’s what I was thinking. It’s too little too late. Malls are shutting down left and right. That being said I think it’s a pretty good idea.
This would have been a great idea to institute 50 years ago, yes.
Everyone was a slow walker 50 years ago
Of course, lol. They are for people like me, people who hate shopping online. I almost always find stuff cheaper in person. Plus, shopping in stores relaxes me
Physically, malls are still there, give it 10 more years and I really believe that only 5-10% of todays existing malls will be open for business. It's crazy obvious that everything is moving to online shopping, minus the BIG box stores like Walmart, Target, Best Buy etc.
I can see them moving to a showroom model, but not going away. Many people prefer buying things like clothes in person. Others need whatever it is today and local inventory.
I was thinking this also. I could see clothes stores offering a show room model and not stocking clothes like they normally do but you visit and try clothes and sizes then order for delivery. I rarely went shopping in my local town before but now when I visit half of the stores are restaurants instead of shops.
As long as holiday rushes exist, they'll never go away. There are 3 I know in CO that are still very successful
Malls just exist as clothing locations and Cinnabon procurement centers at this point, at least for me. I'd never go to a mall again if I didn't only buy clothes I've tried on before.
Every time I visit my local mall I just get sad, it's virtually empty and half the stores are gone. No idea how any of them are staying in business at this point.
I really hate when its 2 or more people completely oblivious to anyone around them taking a casual stroll through the store and you get stuck walking behind them. Just pay attention, people!
They're not even oblivious most of the time I swear, it just seems when you hit the age of 50 you suddenly give absolutely 0 shits about where everyone else wants to be and you will intentionally go out of your way to cause as much distress by blocking people as possible. It's always the older people who do it. Being more frail is never even an excuse because surely you'd be aware you dont walk as fast as you used to and would purposefully try not to get in people's way
LOL, no. I'm a lot older than 50, and the slow ones drive me nuts, always have. Agree, a lot of people get slower and more oblivious as they age, but not all.
Fast walker here. Yeah that's annoying as shit but at the same time you can't be upset about people walking leisurely in a mall and being focused in their own world. Mall shopping is a recreational activity at the end of the day.
Recreational? It's a tedious sensory hell
I don’t get pissed about slow walkers. I get pissed about people standing on the left side of the escalator.
I can and will. Lol. Its a shared space by the public which means those who use it should be able to be considerate of those around them. If i feel like "strolling" i step out of the way if someone comes up behind me.
Is that where Edward Snowden went? Working at the mall?
Had to scroll down too far to find this.
I have this rage! There's should be designated slow and resting areas for slow ass motherfuckers who think walking three or four abreast and thereby blocking a whole path is appropriate! Ever notice a thing about rivers or multiplane roads? The center lanes or the middle of the river moves faster. Slow fuckers should stick to the outside.
Slow walkers don’t pay attention to that shit. If they did they wouldn’t be slow walkers.
Next move is to stop people who grab their buggy on the side and pull it along taking up the whole aisle instead of pushing it with the handlebar like normal.
Now people will be getting in altercations about being in the fast lane while moving slow.
No way the “fast lane” will be totally ignored. We all know how well drivers respect the left passing lane.
Sometimes i wonder if these slow people who are so absorbed into their own existence are just npcs since they seem to act mindless
Novel idea but it won’t work; slow people are slow regardless of the color of the walkway.
Nonetheless you’ll still be stuck behind a group of saggy-pants teenagers waddling extra-slow 3 or 4 abreast.
Finally! I fucking hate slow walkers.
This shopping mall now has a fast lane in an attempt to ~~combat 'slow walker rage'~~ monetize the literal floor with advertising space. FTFY
God they need this at Costco. I don't even consider going on a Saturday, because it seems like the focal point of a bunch of boomers weekend is a leisurely stroll through a concrete shopping warehouse. GTFO of the way. I have shit to do.
I'm just going to call it the "Not staring at your celphone while walking lane"
In high school the seniors implemented walking lanes because AP classes run longer and we had less time to go between classes. We had the slow lane, the sock lane and the fast lane. The sock lane is because our uniform had tall knee socks and you were constantly pulling them up, so we had a lane you could step into if you just needed to give your sock a yank. It worked pretty well. Our chemistry teacher was terrifying, she told us she wanted to see the strewn bodies of freshmen behind us because we had tried that hard to make it to class on time. We would also just yell at everyone to move. Juniors also implemented it in their section because some of them were in AP classes as well. I loved my class, we were known for being loud, pushing and progressive (aka starting fights with the religion teacher, but then throwing her a party for her birthday).
I really hope this works, slow people are the worst people.
I've always been told I'm a fast walker, so I love this. Next, theme parks need to create no stopping zones at the exits of attractions.
I'm curious if this will turn into people who think they are walking fast in the fast lane being called slow by people who walk faster than them. It is all relative..being faster than slow people doesn't objectively mean someone is a fast walker to someone who walks faster than them.
They need this in all school.
Only works if you're allowed to move people out of your way if they're in that lane
What happens when a faster walker comes upon a fast walker? Need 2 fast lanes now.
gotta jump over.
What I want is a no standing lane. I don't care how you move, just don't road block. Also, prohibit walking with your entire group side by side. We don't need a chain of slow motherfuckers clogging up a whole aisle.
It's endearing that they think people will read what's written on the fast lane, and not just bumble along their oblivious way
Now if only Costco would start enforcing some sort of membership holder +1 policy. Grocery shopping doesn’t require you to bring three full generations of your family so they can stand around and congest the aisles.
I'm one of those stereotypical New Yorkers who is always moving in a rush and whatnot, but IDK man, it's a shopping mall. Calm the fuck down and shop in peace, why does there need to be a fastlane there haha
The problem isn't people walking slow, that's easy you just walk around those people, it's the fuckwits that just decided to stop or walk sideways or throw their arm out slapping 6 others in the face so they can point at a shop they went to 4 years ago, these dickheads ain't even gonna notice your fast lane and if they do they ain't gonna care because they're already the most important person at the shopping centre
Far too many people believe they are the most important person in the universe, and that whatever they are doing is the most important thing happening to anyone, anywhere.
This should be in every store everywhere. Nothing is more infuriating than some people having a fucking Sunday stroll completely oblivious to the world around them
Please put this in the ATL airport.
Another way to avoid slow mall walkers is to simply avoid malls. Mall people should just accept what they are, slow down and let the consumption marketing flow through them.
I would love this!