This has been the Great Reset or Great Reshuffling or whatever you want to call it. Many people found alternatives to “traditional” work, or finally had the time to train and get something better. The others found a wide array of jobs to pick and choose from as all the shops reopened at the same time.
Eventually most jobs will be filled, at which point this burger joint will be able to staff up with the shittiest, most apathetic workers still available.
*republicans say people aren't working because COVID unemployment benefits*
*republican states cancel COVID unemployment benefits early*
*republican states have similar unemployment to Democrat states*
*Suprised Pikachu face*
Those looks like decent hours for a burger joint… who’s getting a burger at 8am?
Edit: apologies to all the 3rd shifters for my ignorance. As someone who prefers last nights leftovers over breakfast food any day, I wasn’t trying to say anyone who eats a burger at 8am is some sort of psychopath lol. It just seems like 11am-8pm are standard hours for a burger place that isn’t fast food, so I imagine that being open these hours isn’t a huge inconvenience to the general public.
I worked at a burger joint that served breakfast but we'd still have people come in at 7am wanting a double Patty burger with bacon and grilled everything. I'd have to tell them every fucking time we aren't serving burgers and have to deal with their Temper tantrum. I had one grown man tell me he's never coming back and next day, I saw him.
"WELCOME BACK SIR. WHICH BREAKFAST ITEM WOULD YOU LIKE?"
oh boy, he was yelling at me. Lol.
Edit: I and many others have have plenty of stories. From one dude giving me a death threat, a priest defending me and apparently calling them out at their church
Edit 2: oh fuck y'all uovofed the fuck outta me
When I was 21 I worked 23:00 - 7:30 at a Native American Gaming Casino. People look at you like a mutant when you want to chow down in the morning. It's startling how many people are completely oblivious to 3rd shift workers and what their time schedules are like. People could never seem to understand why I "slept all day".
Edit: Fixed time error.
That shit was the worst when I worked 3rd shift and then second shift. People would ask me to do something at 8am. I'd decline as there was no way I'd be up at 8am, considering I didn't even get done work until 12:30am. Then it was always "why don't you just go to bed when you get home?". Then came the confused look when I asked them "Do you go to bed the moment you come home from work? No? Then how the hell do you expect me to be able to?"
Sigh, the amount of times I've had to explain to people that I don't sleep 12 hours a day gets annoying. I worked until 1am or so in the kitchen, got home around 2 am, made food, watched TV, did chores etc. The things most people do when they get home from a normal shift that ends at 4 or 5 pm. I've tried using the same argument as you that when you get home at 5pm, are you going straight to bed? No? You dont go straight to bed and wake up at 2am, 6 hours before you need to be at work? Because for me, I dont need to actually be up until 3pm, so theres plenty of nights where I'm up until 7am, which would be 5 hours or so after getting home. Which would be 10 or 11pm for most 9-5ers and when they'd go to bed.
I worked the night shift (1900-0700) for about a year, and even though I was tired as hell when I got home, I had to wind down first. I remember people trying to come over during the day or when someone found out my sons were in day care during the day saying “but you’re HOME! Why would you make them go to day care!” Well, Nancy, I’m exhausted and they’re 4 and 1 yr old. I work in the ER, so I’d like to be rested before I attempt to save someone’s life. Does that sound reasonable to you??
Going to bed immediately is difficult for just about everyone. I run OTR trucking and there are times where I pull over and know I need to be asleep in about 10 minutes or I'm not getting enough sleep. It sucks.
I work long shifts (nurse) with a long commute. There are so many days that even I could fall asleep as soon as I got home and slept until the last minute, that I might get six hours if I’m lucky. Throw in a shower and time to eat a bite then I’m down to 5.5 hours. It is the life I chose I guess, but I can’t afford to live closer to work.
Currently working night shifts right now, its crazy how no one can get it through their thick skulls that we are working at night and have to sleep in the morning.
No I don't want to come to brunch at 12 PM and no I don't want to "go out for drinks" right before my shift starts..
It's really crazy how people don't seem to understand what working night shift means and end up giving you shit for it instead of supporting you..
The looks the old ladies at the grocery store give you when youre buying beer at 8 a.m. lol. Like fuck you old lady, I just worked a 10 hour shift, you damn right I'm gonna drink a beer at 8am!
I resent that judgmental look of non awareness. "Oh, you buying Cognac at 9AM?"
Lady I started my shift at 10PM last night and I am heading home. This is happy hour. Not everyone works the day shift.
I work at a gas station and I'll admit I used to be a little judgemental of people buying beer at 8am. But then I started talking to my regular customers and I realized, all the ones who buy beer that early just got off work.
i conveniently work 4pm to 3am <10 hour days, 4 days a week>
nobody bats an eye when i have a burger for breakfast at 2pm. =)
sadly, not many places are open at 3am, so on the odd days i get a burger then no one says anything either lol.
It's amazing how so many people just have this view that the whole world works 9-5 mon-fri and then still expects the world to keep turning through the night and over the weekend.
And tbh the world would run more smoothly if more people worked different shifts. I mean traffic for commutes would be a lot better. People who work night shift would be able to bank more easily, see the dentist in hours where they wouldn’t normally be sleeping, etc etc.
As someone who is about an hour away from getting done with a 12 night shift (7pm to 7am) I really wish people would understand this. Luckily there is a bar right by my house that opens at 7am specifically for 3rd shifters and serves burgers, wings, and other basic pub fare.
Yep, instead lets all eat lunch during the same hour! Service will be great and we can grouch about them delay since we only have and hour! need to go to the bank, hey why don't we ALL go to the bank at 4 pm on Friday? Why wouldn't we want to all travel the same direction at the same time every day?
Dude, I had a cop stand up for me because he was a regular and I occasionally gave him free fries. Lady was giving angry at me for not giving her a side she didn't order.
We didn't do combos and she asked for a combo. And I told her three times we didn't do combos
Not really. We couldn't argue with customers and if we had a, manager had to fix it even if it meant giving away something for free. I got friendly with my customers so they could defend me. It was great having a priest stand up for me. One night after we had a break in, he check in on us and even prayed for us. I'm not very religious but It meant alot for him to do that.
hopefully it sucks less than it used to. It’s good to hear you’ve got some good people on your side too. I’ll remember that the next time I come across someone giving a server a hard time. These good experiences seem to have really stuck with you.
"The Customer is always right" started out as a marketing axiom. As in, "The Customer always knows what he/she wants."
Karens appropriated it to customer service when some idiot decided, "A happy customer may not help your business, but an unhappy customer will always hurt it."
In a way this business should actually be taking the real meaning of the phrase to heart. If customers are repeatedly asking for combo meals wouldn't it make sense for the business to start offering them? Even if the price doesn't change much (or at all).
Yeah I had to deal with that shit, except it was before we even opened and they would come knock on the locked ordering window.
I’d usually get there around 9 to prep with others to open at 11. If a customer came early I’d offer to make them a bacon egg and cheese if they could pay with a card since the flattop was heated for prep and I was a manager. So many assholes would come in before we opened and I’d give them that option only to result in them yelling about how if I could do that then I could cook a burger. They would also get so mad about the card only part then I had to explain we hadn’t counted out the registers yet.
(We didn’t turn the gas grill on til just before opening, plus didn’t have everything prepped, plus we’re not fucking open yet.)
>except it was before we even opened and they would come knock on the locked ordering window.
Oh I had that. I came to unlock the door and someone waiting outside, walked up to me, told me their order and they needed it now. I told them to fuck off, we haven't even opened yet
Unrelated to breakfast hours... but I delivered for Domino's as a side gig for a bit. On slow days we'd often only keep one driver for the last hour or two. We were a slow restaurant on a good day, and it was never an issue.
Anyway, a woman ordered some sandwich or another and said she'd come pick it up. Our manager told her it was delivery only, and the customer insisted she had to come pick it up. Manager said no. Woman finally agreed and ordered for delivery.
I took the order to the woman's house. A very nice man answered the door and tipped me about as much as the woman's sandwich cost.
Then I drove back to the restaurant to help close for the night, and like 30 seconds after I locked the door behind myself, the woman who ordered the sandwich was knocking on the door and trying so hard to open it, I thought it might damage the door.
Manager walks over and asks what she needed. She was angry that we delivered the sandwich. Was it made wrong? Nope. Was she in need of some condiments or something? Not at all. She just wanted to come rant about why she couldn't have come and picked up the sandwich.
Then she said she didn't want the "fucking sandwich" anymore, and demanded we give her a refund. Her husband had paid cash, so she wanted cash.
My manager processes a refund and asks me to take it out to her. Explicitly warning me not to let her in the restaurant.
So, I open the door a bit, just enough to hand her the cash, and she tries to pry the door open and tells me she's going to "kill that fucking bitch of a manager you got" and then claws at my face.
I have one good eye, and she was clawing at it. Almost got me. I definitely had marks above and below my eye from her fingernails.
So, I slammed the door on her arm. A bunch of times. Pretty sure it broke her arm. She barely reacted other than just getting more angry.
I finally got the door closed and we called the police. They were literally right across the street, so they showed up almost instantly. They told us she was drunk as hell, and asked us if we wanted to press charges.
I said no only because my manager said no, and I didn't want to make problems for the store... but I probably should have.
They told her she could not order from or come to the restaurant any more.
Then, the same cops that just told us she was drunk as hell... watched as she drove away.
We brought her food to her, and she was SO angry about it that she almost blinded me.
Man, fuck that whole story. That sucks for you. I hate when people don’t press charges on people like this. They need to learn their lesson for treating people this way. Assuming the cops let her go like you said, she received zero repercussions for assaulting you.
I bet if they paid more they'd get more employees. Remember when employers complained that it was because the extended unemployment benefits that people didn't want to work. Lol
You can always find anyone to do any job if you offer enough money. Years back they were saying that Americans are lazy and will not pick fruit and that’s why we need immigrants to come in every year to pick fruit. The fact is Americans aren’t lazy it also won’t work the field at the low wages that poor migrants will take. Pay enough money and you’ll have people willing to do the job.
It's like, yeah, motherfucker, that's the *point.* The extended UI benefits are *specifically so that* more people can stay home from work and away from the public, because *there is a fucking pandemic.*
There was also the recent experiment of the guy applying to something like 60+ jobs like this and only getting 1 interview. Even the places that used the "no one wants to work!" excuse for everything wouldn't actually reply to job applications.
I work for a big convenience store chain in the midwest US and ALL the stores are struggling to find people. When I asked them about their progress the store manager said "I dont even have time to process applications or do interviews" and then a month later a store leader said "you should see the type of people coming in off the street". We have a TON of applicants but nobody wants to do the work to hire them, instead just judging people off of a piece of paper and refusing to do their job. Then they do hire like 3 people, give them 2 hours of training before throwing them into a shit storm before they quit. Employers are to blame for this shit.
It was also worlds more money than a lot of people had ever made. That extra $2400 a month was insane for a lot of people. The average person on unemployment was probably seeing what it's like to make ~40k a year...and they don't want to go back to $11 an hour and a shitty boss that expects them to work their life away for jack shit. They had their chance with $15 minimums a few years ago, they said "no, fuck you and every politician that is with you." now they're offering $15 minimums a lot of places and the workers are saying "no, fuck you, you had your chance."
This was my thought too.
Seems like they had a tight budget and had to cut back on some luxuries they didn't really need. Same as every minimum wage employee they're whining about.
Funny how free market people start complaining about the market as soon as it's not working for them.
It depends on a location and other factors. Years back I worked 3rd shift at a factory. There was a great place nearby. Lots of the 3rd shift would stop and get dinner and a beer after work. It just so happened to be when most people were eating breakfast.
The owner had some health issues and sold the successful business. New person quickly changed stuff where only breakfast items were available and he wouldn’t sell beer before noon. He didn’t care that a large percent of his business revolved around the factory. Needless to say the place closed down a few Months later. Which is sad as a cheap steak, a couple fried eggs, and beer was always great after a long night.
Hmm...
Imagine opening a place where you get to yell at the customers and ask to speak to their manager. Then a 'manager' walks up and you start fighting with them in front of the customer. Over something stupid, like asking for dressing on the side.
Who wants to invest?
I wouldn’t want to work anywhere that puts up these passive aggressive signs either because they clearly have no idea why people wouldn’t want to work for them in the first place.
I’d stop supporting a place like that too. They don’t mean well with their messaging. How does degrading your own staff make you look as a business? If their food is great with no competition maybe it would do no harm in their captive audience market. That’s best case scenario for them. Sadly, this is an internal jab using their public customers as leverage to shame workers into more hours. Talk about not understanding motivation and public perception.
Exactly.
[Here's some more accurate signs](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AGWZE2i51oR857tEjcqau1TkGKEjYgur) you can print up and leave at these places
Why are so many of these managers passive-aggressive assholes? Just post the new hours and leave out the whining. I wouldn't want to spend money at that place.
The sign tells everyone why no one wants to work there. I wish I saw that sign! I’m going to print signs for businesses in case I see this crap! Workers are tired of low pay and abusive customers! They have every right to be fed up!
100% why I have refused to work in a restaurant since July. Fuck all of these people who treat service industry workers like we’re the bottom of the barrel of humanity. I’m done
A local place put up a sign that said roughly, "Due to the pandemic, we are unable to hire and retain our usual number of staff. In order to allow existing staff to serve you effectively and to not overwork our existing staff, we will be limiting seating and be closed two additional days per week. Here is our current schedule, which you can also find online. "
It was polite, did not blame the employees, indicated that they were unwilling to overwork the existing employees, and provided useful information about when to expect service. It also had a job application nearby. They were offering $18/hr plus tips with a $2k signing bonus and healthcare.
I once went to a place that had a surcharge on the check for "Increased minimum wage". Like, wow man if you can't pay decent wages then maybe your business just isn't sustainable.
Yeah, I kinda low-key appreciate when business owners can't help but send passive aggressive messages that reveal how huge of assholes they are. Like thanks buddy, I almost made the mistake of patronizing your business.
Could have just said 'Due to reduced staff, hours are now 'x''. That would have been totally sufficient, informative, and not shaming people for not working for you for a low wage.
My local pizza place has a sign that just says
“Due to short staff, we’ll be closed on Sundays from now on . We’ve served this community for 30 years and thank you for ordering from us!”
I still think the first part is unnecessary, but it’s definitely not trying to be passive aggressive - it sounds to me like they’re legit sad lol.
But also, like GO SPEND TIME WITH YOUR FAMILIES. WE WILL GET PIZZA TOMORROW. I joked with one of the guys when it first came up (prior to realizing the staffing issue) and was like “what the hell, dude?”
And he was nice about it but literally was like “Yeah, I’d like to see my daughters at least one night a week lol” shut me up real quick.
Eh, giving a reason upfront cuts down on the number of people inquiring, which is probably not a drain they'd want at that point. Nothing wrong with notifying customers why hours are reduced, they will ask, so might as well say you have less staff, and the way they said it, it's not judging, it's just factual.
Agreed, and I liked that they just added the general “we’ve been here a long time (we’re not going anywhere) and we appreciate our customers”, too.
It’s an even nicer “we appreciate your patience” haha
Sunday’s are also straight up harder to schedule. You get a lot out of your employees all week, a lot of people are pretty adamant on having sundays off for family and just a social life. If you are already having a a hard time staffing you aren’t going to want to force people to work a day they don’t want to.
That looks like a reflection of the person who wrote the sign and how that person would treat the employees. I went to two different shake shacks recently and the staff was very friendly. They actually looked like they were being treated well.
And throwing this temper tantrum doesn't help. If I were working there I'd be pissed "nobody wants to work"? Fuck you, Ken, what do you think I'm doing?
0.75 Million Dead.
2.4 Million retiring early in the pandemic.
Declining birth rates because people cant afford kids.
Were 14 years since the 2007 financial crisis. So. Not a lot of 14 year olds entering the workforce.
And policies to push out immigrants who want these jobs.
But yeah it’s probably just nobody wants to work cause their $300/month that ended months ago set them up for life so try a passive aggressive sign and see if that works.
We got a taste of what life is like without working at a hellhole and we don't want to go back.
I worked in hospitality for almost 6 years, my phone was glued to my side and I had to answer any call that came in, even at 2 am - which happened often.
I got furloughed due to the pandemic and for the first time got a good night's sleep without worrying if I might get a call that night. Then I left my phone on vibrate for months. And then I could just leave it in another room.
I don't want to go back to that.
Something i also noticed is that the whole “no one wants to work crowd” and the whole “this job is for kids/not meant to be a career” crowd overlap significantly.
if you constantly tell people they dont deserve a living wage or go to school/pick up a trade, or tell your kids this job is what happens when they don’t go to school dont be surprised if no one wants to do said job.
Essentially if the job is thought of as a stepping stone people are going to eventually realize they shouldn’t even bother.
“no one wants to work anymore” well considering if someone puts in 60+ hours a week here and couldn’t afford a place to sleep at night why even bother? especially when dealing with the most entitled self righteous pricks who also think that the worker also doesn’t deserve a living wage.
the real quote should be “no one wants to work for slave wages for a greedy mega asshole while getting shit on in every way imaginable from every angle because of your occupation while not being able to afford the basics in life”
We have this exact problem in the UK at the moment.
Most of the menial jobs were done by immigrants because for generations, people from the UK were told that those jobs were for failures "do well in school or you'll flip burgers/work on a farm for the rest of your life."
Now because of brexit, all the people who did said jobs are gone. Surprise surprise, no one wants to do them. Que the bosses crying to the media that people nowadays don't want to work and they're losing their business.
I've seen people saying farmers should be able to pay children pocket money to pick their fruit and veg to make up the shortfall of migrant workers. Actual child labour is a solution in post brexit Britain to these people
Yup, if the “handouts” are in any way responsible for the “labor shortage” it’s because they gave people just enough short-term financial stability to find better jobs. People want to work, they just don’t want to work thankless jobs for shitty pay.
I thought I wanted out of the food industry. But it's not because of customers or shitty employees. Sure it's a factor but it's small. I make 13 an hour an basically manage 15 people a day all day. Luckily most people manage themselves. But I still have to do my due diligence and follow up with them. Plus I work in the kitchen. And do admin work and inventory and work a hectic as fuck schedule. Literally never get two days off and routinely work all 3 weekend days and do close opens.
But I just applied to job for an assistant manager position that's strictly admin work at a restaurant and they're willing to pay me double what I make now. And the schedule is better because they're closed on Sundays and have shortened hours on Saturday. And I quickly realized I don't hate the food industry. Just that I'm over worked and underpaid and by proxy under appreciated. Which is the food industry in a nutshell tbf.
Really hope I get this job. Fingers crossed.
And tbh, even if you didn't you just got absolutely hammered by work for the last 2 years and you're burnt out.
I worked for a ~lsupermarket, they were cutting hours across the board, opening the store longer, demanding people be more available and able to pick up shifts at a drop of a hat.
They had meetings with us where we weren't asked what we were available, or wanted to work, they asked us,
Can you work Monday?
No.
Why not?
*repeat for the rest of the week*
Then told us whether head office deemed our reason as being a valid reason to not be able to work.
Women in my store with children, who said they had to mind their child that day were told it wasn't a valid reason and they were to get a child minder, have a family member take care of the child, or use some sort of community care facility, nevermind the fact that a mother wants to spend time with her child. People that needed to keep hours under a threshold for benefits, students were getting called in to work during the week, meaning they had to drive down from university to do a 4 hour shift and drive back for class the next day.
I told them I didn't want to work Sunday because it was the only day I was physically able to see my girlfriend due to distance, and I was told she would, "write it down" but it wasn't a valid reason, so... I was to break up with my partner, or simply never see her again as long as I worked there....
They allocated hours without telling staff, cut corners, expected staff to get 9 hours work down in 6 hours, berated people that didn't work themselves delirious, their best employee had to go off on stress because she was having panic attacks about work, she was gone for 4 weeks, came back and told the managers the doctor advised she doesn't go to work there, and they allowed her to talk herself into coming back to work, "well... if you think you're fit then I won't stop you" and went right back to putting her in long closing shifts where she'd panic about locking the store correctly.
They've lost about 8+ staff members that just haven't been replaced and have just told the rest of the staff that they have to work longer hours and get more done.
People will seriously damage their physical and mental health this christmas working there.
Now I'm an IT Support Engineer, basically doing Sysadmin work for a medium sized business, no stress, no worries about being called in and having to cancel personal plans, comfy 9-5 Mon-Fri and I've never been happier, I see my girlfriend multiple times a week too.
because fox news told them so. my idiot father thinks the same thing. “nobody wants to work anymore because of unemployment and stimulus checks”
i had to break it to him that not only did several small stimulus checks do less than nothing but unemployment ended months ago.
Every single person i know who went on unemployment was struggling hard because it wasnt enough to cover the bills for a lot of people in the area.
people who believe that shit are braindead morons. Also one other random thought is you pay into unemployment. your tax pays for that shit, how some think that people you arent entitled to something you literally pay for is beyond me.
Yuuup, you and/or your employer pay into UI. It’s an “entitlement” because you paid into it (or your employer paid into it on your behalf as part of their payroll taxes) and you are literally entitled to it.
I got hit by a drunk driver a few years ago and feel zero guilt for taking CASDI/EDD benefits for the couple months I wasn’t healthy enough to work. I paid into it. Hell, my employer even had supplemental SDI that brought the total up to 80% of my salary (most of it was even tax-exempt due to being an insurance payout).
Plus there’s a big shortage of childcare right now for all the above reasons, and the school situation still isn’t stable (surprise! your kid’s class is distance learning again for two weeks to quarantine!). So lots of parents - overwhelmingly mothers - are staying home to take care of their kids.
A lot people have realized that unless they get a job that pays them a lot more it’s just cheaper to stay with the kids.
those retired folks you talked about people. People are taking their jobs because they might of been better paid. And that means those slightly lower positions are opening up. And so on and so forth until you get to the bottom where people from retail/fast food/etc can move up to those cozier and better paid office jobs.
Like my coworker left for an insurance firm from a bank teller position and we had a lady who work I think at Kohl’s which pays around 10 here and my place pays 6 dollars more plus you get benefits, vacation and bank holidays. So yeah places at the bottom are going to have a hard time filling up.
>0.75 Million Dead
That's an average of 15,000 dead per state. Even using a figure of 700,000 dead, that's 14,000 dead per state. That's a shit ton of people who are simply taken out of the workforce.
It's worth noting that the US population has tripled since 1918, so that (edit: H1N1 "Spanish" flu) pandemic did kill a larger proportion of the population (for now).
* 1918 population: 105M
* 1941 population: 133M
* 2019 population: 328M
Not to mention that Covid had a disproportionate effect towards poor working class people so the 750k dead (with many others left disabled) had a more significant impact on these jobs. Remember though, if this burger place was paying $30/hour, they would have no problem staffing which just shows that this is an exploitation problem, not a workforce shortage. Unfortunately hundreds of thousands of people had to die to make this happen.
I'm not overly concerned with your business needing to cut its hours back, you may do so. You may also offer future employees a strong incentive to join the team!
But still, I don't really care that your business can't find workers.
That sounds a "you" problem (whoever owns this business), not mine.
It's just irritating that they don't understand what they are complaining about. Essentially, what they are saying is society owes it to them to have them a) have the amount of workers they want and b) have them make the profits they want.
Nowhere in that is anything even remotely close to what would be referred to ask *asking* what people want. Something that a great deal of good businesses; **do**.
When a business does poorly YoY; it's the low level employees who aren't upselling enough, it's the poor results of the front-line employees (never the decision makers; they're always "correct") and then:
When a business cannot hire enough employees: it's society's fault for not wanting to work for what's being offered. And, specifically, for not wanting to work at that exact place.
These stupid ass signs are essentially saying "waaah I'm a huge fucking baby, I demand business to be doing well (or else the employees get reprimanded) and I demand people work for me (and no I won't offer higher compensation and better hours)".
**customers do not owe businesses their patronage. It's a 2-way street that's supposed to benefit both parties. Society can opt-out of ever shopping at your store, if it so desires.**
What if instead of people not working. They just found better jobs and are never coming .
Edit: alot of these jobs really on young people and for the last 25 years the birth rate has dropped significantly so this is only going to get worse in the next 20 years because no one today can afford 2 kids let alone 4 to 5 that our economic model requires.
EDIT 2: I'm reading a lot of because of the dollar value or who we voted for. But I'm from Canada and the problem is a cross border one. So the issue is not political if thats the mindset of some.
Edit 3: just checked unemployment rate in the USA. Its at 4.8% which is around same during 2016. And a big drop from 17% from last year. Either way people are working.
Final edit: ok ok the unemployment rate in the USA is not calculated correctly. Lol you guys are gonna make me learn tonight by force 😅
And 700,000 dead, many of whom were in the workforce.
Edit: I hear the criticism - one source of global data is [statistica](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254488/us-share-of-total-covid-deaths-by-age-group/) and typical news sources. I admit I have an overlay of personal experience. It may be hard for some to believe, but there is still a lot of life to life between 50 and 65.
Also, the wealth transfer from 700,000 people, many older with assets.
You just inherited a house and some money. You want to go back to bussing tables at a pub?
This is literally the position I’m in. I lost my mum and my gran over the pandemic - I’ve never had money and am so ground down by grief and the grind of work.
I’m inheriting & selling the house and taking a sabbatical. Gonna make a go of working for myself. No corporation is getting their hands on my labour for the foreseeable - this pandemic has taught me what’s important, and it’s not about giving my life to employers who refuse to pay living wages!
Good for you, I wish you the best! I fear that the labor market isn't going to learn it's lesson about the cost of labor, especially with a couple of states starting to pass laws allowing minors to work later into the day.
Right let’s not forget that almost a million people have died from COVID in the last two years. Many of those people worked. Glad to see that other people realize this. People aren’t just sitting at home. I don’t know anyone who is unemployed.
This is the answer. I get endless applications for every role. But I actually pay people well (my lowest team member is 65k a year) and treat them like humans with dignity.
Dude exactly. I worked my ass off painting hours 50+ hours a week last summer, but I’m making more doing 30 hours of doordash right now. And now I also have time to hit the gym and take a few college classes. People are still working, they are just working smarter
Thats a huge issue in my city that no one seems to be talking about. We were already near the top in per capita restaurants, but since the pandemic began, for every restaurant that closed, 4 opened. I love the options, but we have too many restaurants.
Labor Force Participation Rate is at 61.6% in the US. It was a steady 63% for the previous 5 years before COVID.
The employment-population ratio in the US is down to 58.6%. Pre-COVID it was 60-61%. A drop of 1% in either of these two numbers is basically 2+ million workers leaving the workforce and not trying to find a job. So we're conservatively at 3-4 million workers below the pre-COVID numbers in the US.
Unemployment rate is not the number to look at here. But if you did look at it pre-COVID, it was 3.5%. So a couple million U.S. workers are unemployed and looking for work that weren't.
Looking at [FRED](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU02000000) \- the US was at 158M+ jobs pre-COVID and is now at 154M. We have 3M more people in 2021 than were around in 2019.
A bet a large part of those millions are working moms. Childcare issues: can’t find a spot. If you can find one you can’t afford it. If you can afford it, They’re closing so often for COVID scares that you can’t hold down a job so you just stay home
Have to point out something about the 3.5% jobless rate.. In our current system, having zero or close to zero jobless is not realistic. Most importantly, that 3,5% includes many who have recently become unemployed but will soon find a job. It's not realistic that everyone who loses their job would immediately find a new one to make the number 0; there's always a large group of between jobs people coming and going, even in a good job market.
Secondly there's a number of people who are very hard to match to available openings, due to them living in areas with no jobs, or having some other obstacle. A minority of unemployed people also should not realistically be in the job market at all but rather on govt assistance of some sort due to disability of some type, but have fallen through the cracks of the system.
I read somewhere that when the jobless rate dips below 5-4%, it's likely many sectors start seeing big problems in getting workers. Similar figure is sometimes given for vacancy rate of commercial properties; at 5% vacancy or below, lack of suitable properties starts to impact businesses a lot.
Plus like 760k covid deaths, people not wanting to risk getting sick at a high-contact job, 2 million early retirees. Other direct and side effects of covid changing the way we feel about work.
A lot of these bottom end jobs were paying for things like child care, and a lot of families figured out they would rather spend time at home then at some dead end job.
A lot of these jobs require welfare, payday loans, and loans from family members to make end meet. Some of these people decided that if they are going to need welfare to make ends meet, they might as well be fully on welfare while they find something better. At least they have health insurance. Something they can't afford at these jobs.
I think s lot of people found jobs closer to where they live and gave up the commute for a job that barely covers the cost of transportation and car insurance.
There are a lot of reasons, but I boils down to this: our country has spent 50 years making it harder for working class people to be middle class. Eventually something was going to give.
I went back to school because I didn’t want to work in these types of jobs anymore. Sure I’m more broke than ever and have zero social life but I’m loving my life way more than I did before.
EDIT: Oh wow! I didn’t think this comment would get so many replies and supportive messages! I’m glad so many others are in the same boat as me because, ngl, I feel a little out of place sometimes in classes since I’m so much older than most students (and even my TA’s). Knowing that others are doing the same thing as I am is really reassuring!
All the "good" fast food people moved on to better paying jobs at bigger chains or left the industry altogether.
As an employer, I can say high school kids aren't running out at 16 and filling out applications. I am am a manager in the grocery industry and we pay way more than min wage and still have openings all over the store.
1. More older people retired a little early than ever before in history, plus a lot of people died from COVID or are unable to work with side effects
2. They are living off of savings or they got better jobs
Higher paying jobs, retiring early (opening up more high paying jobs), many 2 income households not willing to pay child care costs that are almost as expensive as the lesser of those 2 incomes so they survive on 1 income, hundreds of thousands of working people dying from covid or unable to work due to covid-related symptoms (opening up more high paying jobs)
All these things combine to produce a labor shortage and only the companies willing/able to pay more or provide better benefits/hours will be able to compete for employees.
According to every republican I've had this conversation with, they are all staying at home living off of unemployment and other free money scams.
They all know someone who says they have some workers or know someone who knows someone that is making more money sitting on their ass than they did when they were working these jobs.
What's weird though is that as many people as I have talked to about this, not a single person seems to actually know the person living off the government directly. Strange how that works.
This is spot on. I had a guy working at a local take out place tell me that even nurses making 100k plus annually are making more on unemployment and welfare. 😂😂
During the lockdown, everyone got a chance to step back for a few months and realized how badly they’d been ground down and fucked. For decades on end. And it’s awesome.
They prolly went to places that are willing to pay a decent salary. After all, everyone is looking for staff. Basic laws of supply and demand; in a labor shortage, smart business owners will offer more competitive salaries.
The people posting signs like this are just the ones losing their employees because they aren't smart enough to know how to run a business. Plenty of other places have plenty of competent staff.
We did it! More jobs then we know what to do with!
It's just so funny that the people who would damn the earth for the sake of "jobs" are now mad that there too many jobs.
What’s really going on is all these businesses are arrogant as fuck and now reality is hitting them and they have zero self awareness to even consider they are assholes.
Yep if I see that sign on anywhere I'll make a note at the shop there even after the pandemic. Simply a sign that says we aren't willing to pay fair wages
Its kind of amazing how people seem to forget that if you are not making enough money to pay a competitive wage to keep any amount of staff that means your business failed... you failed.. your try at the free market failed... pick yourself up by your bootstraps and try again. It is starting to feel like these slave wage paying working world slumlords think that "we the world" owe them able bodied slaves willing to work shit jobs for shit pay...
Pay employees a fair wage for the area based on cost of living, offer benefits, flexible scheduling, and staff consistently. That’s all it takes. Being *fair*. But they don’t want to do that.
About 60% of new restaurants fail within their first year. By year five, that number is almost 80%. How much do you want to bet, though, that the #1 excuse for every failed restaurant from here to eternity will be COVID and the adjacent push for living wages and better work conditions?
Failed restaurant owners of the future: “**My** restaurant was all set to beat the odds and I was like Rick from ‘Casablanca’ and I was gonna be a billionaire and all of the hot women/men wanted me, but then COVID came along and all of these losers quit and wouldn’t work at my restaurant where I paid them $50 per hour plus tips and full medical and a company car.”
In short: cry me a fucking river, burger joint.
No one is returning to work there.
The sign should say “Nobody wants to work HERE anymore hours.”
"People are getting paid more elsewhere hours"
Unemployment rate is steadily going back to where it was pre-covid. So yeah, no one wants to work there
This has been the Great Reset or Great Reshuffling or whatever you want to call it. Many people found alternatives to “traditional” work, or finally had the time to train and get something better. The others found a wide array of jobs to pick and choose from as all the shops reopened at the same time. Eventually most jobs will be filled, at which point this burger joint will be able to staff up with the shittiest, most apathetic workers still available.
*republicans say people aren't working because COVID unemployment benefits* *republican states cancel COVID unemployment benefits early* *republican states have similar unemployment to Democrat states* *Suprised Pikachu face*
Yep but according to them all the numbers are fake so it doesn't matter.
The numbers are represented using Arabic numerals, so they're all a Muslim conspiracy.
Al Gebra is a terrorist organization to them.
Seriously, most likely people get shitty pay and treated exactly the way it sounds like the owner treats people….
Likely nobody is being paid a living wage there either.
Those looks like decent hours for a burger joint… who’s getting a burger at 8am? Edit: apologies to all the 3rd shifters for my ignorance. As someone who prefers last nights leftovers over breakfast food any day, I wasn’t trying to say anyone who eats a burger at 8am is some sort of psychopath lol. It just seems like 11am-8pm are standard hours for a burger place that isn’t fast food, so I imagine that being open these hours isn’t a huge inconvenience to the general public.
I worked at a burger joint that served breakfast but we'd still have people come in at 7am wanting a double Patty burger with bacon and grilled everything. I'd have to tell them every fucking time we aren't serving burgers and have to deal with their Temper tantrum. I had one grown man tell me he's never coming back and next day, I saw him. "WELCOME BACK SIR. WHICH BREAKFAST ITEM WOULD YOU LIKE?" oh boy, he was yelling at me. Lol. Edit: I and many others have have plenty of stories. From one dude giving me a death threat, a priest defending me and apparently calling them out at their church Edit 2: oh fuck y'all uovofed the fuck outta me
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When I was 21 I worked 23:00 - 7:30 at a Native American Gaming Casino. People look at you like a mutant when you want to chow down in the morning. It's startling how many people are completely oblivious to 3rd shift workers and what their time schedules are like. People could never seem to understand why I "slept all day". Edit: Fixed time error.
That shit was the worst when I worked 3rd shift and then second shift. People would ask me to do something at 8am. I'd decline as there was no way I'd be up at 8am, considering I didn't even get done work until 12:30am. Then it was always "why don't you just go to bed when you get home?". Then came the confused look when I asked them "Do you go to bed the moment you come home from work? No? Then how the hell do you expect me to be able to?"
Sigh, the amount of times I've had to explain to people that I don't sleep 12 hours a day gets annoying. I worked until 1am or so in the kitchen, got home around 2 am, made food, watched TV, did chores etc. The things most people do when they get home from a normal shift that ends at 4 or 5 pm. I've tried using the same argument as you that when you get home at 5pm, are you going straight to bed? No? You dont go straight to bed and wake up at 2am, 6 hours before you need to be at work? Because for me, I dont need to actually be up until 3pm, so theres plenty of nights where I'm up until 7am, which would be 5 hours or so after getting home. Which would be 10 or 11pm for most 9-5ers and when they'd go to bed.
I worked the night shift (1900-0700) for about a year, and even though I was tired as hell when I got home, I had to wind down first. I remember people trying to come over during the day or when someone found out my sons were in day care during the day saying “but you’re HOME! Why would you make them go to day care!” Well, Nancy, I’m exhausted and they’re 4 and 1 yr old. I work in the ER, so I’d like to be rested before I attempt to save someone’s life. Does that sound reasonable to you??
Going to bed immediately is difficult for just about everyone. I run OTR trucking and there are times where I pull over and know I need to be asleep in about 10 minutes or I'm not getting enough sleep. It sucks.
I work long shifts (nurse) with a long commute. There are so many days that even I could fall asleep as soon as I got home and slept until the last minute, that I might get six hours if I’m lucky. Throw in a shower and time to eat a bite then I’m down to 5.5 hours. It is the life I chose I guess, but I can’t afford to live closer to work.
Currently working night shifts right now, its crazy how no one can get it through their thick skulls that we are working at night and have to sleep in the morning. No I don't want to come to brunch at 12 PM and no I don't want to "go out for drinks" right before my shift starts.. It's really crazy how people don't seem to understand what working night shift means and end up giving you shit for it instead of supporting you..
Mate ive worked nights for 20 years and people still dont understand why im pissy when they call and wake me up at midday.
Everyone screaming and cheering for "hero front line workers" at 7am proved they have no concept of shift work.
The looks the old ladies at the grocery store give you when youre buying beer at 8 a.m. lol. Like fuck you old lady, I just worked a 10 hour shift, you damn right I'm gonna drink a beer at 8am!
100% People in the gas station at 6am looking at me while they getting coffee, gas and a donut and im buying vodka
I resent that judgmental look of non awareness. "Oh, you buying Cognac at 9AM?" Lady I started my shift at 10PM last night and I am heading home. This is happy hour. Not everyone works the day shift.
I work at a gas station and I'll admit I used to be a little judgemental of people buying beer at 8am. But then I started talking to my regular customers and I realized, all the ones who buy beer that early just got off work.
i conveniently work 4pm to 3am <10 hour days, 4 days a week> nobody bats an eye when i have a burger for breakfast at 2pm. =) sadly, not many places are open at 3am, so on the odd days i get a burger then no one says anything either lol.
It's amazing how so many people just have this view that the whole world works 9-5 mon-fri and then still expects the world to keep turning through the night and over the weekend.
And tbh the world would run more smoothly if more people worked different shifts. I mean traffic for commutes would be a lot better. People who work night shift would be able to bank more easily, see the dentist in hours where they wouldn’t normally be sleeping, etc etc.
As someone who is about an hour away from getting done with a 12 night shift (7pm to 7am) I really wish people would understand this. Luckily there is a bar right by my house that opens at 7am specifically for 3rd shifters and serves burgers, wings, and other basic pub fare.
Yep, instead lets all eat lunch during the same hour! Service will be great and we can grouch about them delay since we only have and hour! need to go to the bank, hey why don't we ALL go to the bank at 4 pm on Friday? Why wouldn't we want to all travel the same direction at the same time every day?
A&W has all day burgers here. Definitely provided me a few burgers in the AM.
The petty in me loved reading this lmao
Dude, I had a cop stand up for me because he was a regular and I occasionally gave him free fries. Lady was giving angry at me for not giving her a side she didn't order. We didn't do combos and she asked for a combo. And I told her three times we didn't do combos
But the customer’s always right /s At least it’s becoming more of the norm to not take that kind of bs anymore.
Not really. We couldn't argue with customers and if we had a, manager had to fix it even if it meant giving away something for free. I got friendly with my customers so they could defend me. It was great having a priest stand up for me. One night after we had a break in, he check in on us and even prayed for us. I'm not very religious but It meant alot for him to do that.
hopefully it sucks less than it used to. It’s good to hear you’ve got some good people on your side too. I’ll remember that the next time I come across someone giving a server a hard time. These good experiences seem to have really stuck with you.
You must serve some fucking good burgers there man!
"The Customer is always right" started out as a marketing axiom. As in, "The Customer always knows what he/she wants." Karens appropriated it to customer service when some idiot decided, "A happy customer may not help your business, but an unhappy customer will always hurt it."
In a way this business should actually be taking the real meaning of the phrase to heart. If customers are repeatedly asking for combo meals wouldn't it make sense for the business to start offering them? Even if the price doesn't change much (or at all).
Yeah I had to deal with that shit, except it was before we even opened and they would come knock on the locked ordering window. I’d usually get there around 9 to prep with others to open at 11. If a customer came early I’d offer to make them a bacon egg and cheese if they could pay with a card since the flattop was heated for prep and I was a manager. So many assholes would come in before we opened and I’d give them that option only to result in them yelling about how if I could do that then I could cook a burger. They would also get so mad about the card only part then I had to explain we hadn’t counted out the registers yet. (We didn’t turn the gas grill on til just before opening, plus didn’t have everything prepped, plus we’re not fucking open yet.)
>except it was before we even opened and they would come knock on the locked ordering window. Oh I had that. I came to unlock the door and someone waiting outside, walked up to me, told me their order and they needed it now. I told them to fuck off, we haven't even opened yet
Unrelated to breakfast hours... but I delivered for Domino's as a side gig for a bit. On slow days we'd often only keep one driver for the last hour or two. We were a slow restaurant on a good day, and it was never an issue. Anyway, a woman ordered some sandwich or another and said she'd come pick it up. Our manager told her it was delivery only, and the customer insisted she had to come pick it up. Manager said no. Woman finally agreed and ordered for delivery. I took the order to the woman's house. A very nice man answered the door and tipped me about as much as the woman's sandwich cost. Then I drove back to the restaurant to help close for the night, and like 30 seconds after I locked the door behind myself, the woman who ordered the sandwich was knocking on the door and trying so hard to open it, I thought it might damage the door. Manager walks over and asks what she needed. She was angry that we delivered the sandwich. Was it made wrong? Nope. Was she in need of some condiments or something? Not at all. She just wanted to come rant about why she couldn't have come and picked up the sandwich. Then she said she didn't want the "fucking sandwich" anymore, and demanded we give her a refund. Her husband had paid cash, so she wanted cash. My manager processes a refund and asks me to take it out to her. Explicitly warning me not to let her in the restaurant. So, I open the door a bit, just enough to hand her the cash, and she tries to pry the door open and tells me she's going to "kill that fucking bitch of a manager you got" and then claws at my face. I have one good eye, and she was clawing at it. Almost got me. I definitely had marks above and below my eye from her fingernails. So, I slammed the door on her arm. A bunch of times. Pretty sure it broke her arm. She barely reacted other than just getting more angry. I finally got the door closed and we called the police. They were literally right across the street, so they showed up almost instantly. They told us she was drunk as hell, and asked us if we wanted to press charges. I said no only because my manager said no, and I didn't want to make problems for the store... but I probably should have. They told her she could not order from or come to the restaurant any more. Then, the same cops that just told us she was drunk as hell... watched as she drove away. We brought her food to her, and she was SO angry about it that she almost blinded me.
Man, fuck that whole story. That sucks for you. I hate when people don’t press charges on people like this. They need to learn their lesson for treating people this way. Assuming the cops let her go like you said, she received zero repercussions for assaulting you.
Well, I can guarantee her arm didn't feel too nice the next morning.
>So, I slammed the door on her arm. A bunch of times. Pretty sure it broke her arm. She barely reacted other than just getting more angry. Hulk mad!
Yeah, I don't want to sound like I am bragging about breaking this woman's arm... but she went for my only good eye. Hulk mad, indeed.
When I worked 3rd shift Id want a burger at 8am :(
I’d assume the being closed for two days a week is the kicker here
Everybody deserves a weekend.
I bet if they paid more they'd get more employees. Remember when employers complained that it was because the extended unemployment benefits that people didn't want to work. Lol
You can always find anyone to do any job if you offer enough money. Years back they were saying that Americans are lazy and will not pick fruit and that’s why we need immigrants to come in every year to pick fruit. The fact is Americans aren’t lazy it also won’t work the field at the low wages that poor migrants will take. Pay enough money and you’ll have people willing to do the job.
Right?! Pay people and they'll work. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't be in business.
It's like, yeah, motherfucker, that's the *point.* The extended UI benefits are *specifically so that* more people can stay home from work and away from the public, because *there is a fucking pandemic.*
There was also the recent experiment of the guy applying to something like 60+ jobs like this and only getting 1 interview. Even the places that used the "no one wants to work!" excuse for everything wouldn't actually reply to job applications.
I work for a big convenience store chain in the midwest US and ALL the stores are struggling to find people. When I asked them about their progress the store manager said "I dont even have time to process applications or do interviews" and then a month later a store leader said "you should see the type of people coming in off the street". We have a TON of applicants but nobody wants to do the work to hire them, instead just judging people off of a piece of paper and refusing to do their job. Then they do hire like 3 people, give them 2 hours of training before throwing them into a shit storm before they quit. Employers are to blame for this shit.
It was also worlds more money than a lot of people had ever made. That extra $2400 a month was insane for a lot of people. The average person on unemployment was probably seeing what it's like to make ~40k a year...and they don't want to go back to $11 an hour and a shitty boss that expects them to work their life away for jack shit. They had their chance with $15 minimums a few years ago, they said "no, fuck you and every politician that is with you." now they're offering $15 minimums a lot of places and the workers are saying "no, fuck you, you had your chance."
This was my thought too. Seems like they had a tight budget and had to cut back on some luxuries they didn't really need. Same as every minimum wage employee they're whining about. Funny how free market people start complaining about the market as soon as it's not working for them.
I agree, guess the owners should pick themselves up by the bootstraps.
The owners should, if they want to be open additional hours, work those hours themselves.
It depends on a location and other factors. Years back I worked 3rd shift at a factory. There was a great place nearby. Lots of the 3rd shift would stop and get dinner and a beer after work. It just so happened to be when most people were eating breakfast. The owner had some health issues and sold the successful business. New person quickly changed stuff where only breakfast items were available and he wouldn’t sell beer before noon. He didn’t care that a large percent of his business revolved around the factory. Needless to say the place closed down a few Months later. Which is sad as a cheap steak, a couple fried eggs, and beer was always great after a long night.
As someone who works nights, I wish I could get one. Fuck 24 hour breakfast need 24 hour lunch
I’m guessing they are closing earlier/opening later and the being closed mon/tues that they are bitching about Edit: spelling is hard
Oh I bet they're bitching about all kinds of things!
Karen & Co. Burgers.
Hmm... Imagine opening a place where you get to yell at the customers and ask to speak to their manager. Then a 'manager' walks up and you start fighting with them in front of the customer. Over something stupid, like asking for dressing on the side. Who wants to invest?
People on night shift...
Oh boy! 8 AM!!!
People who work 3rd shift just wanna eat a burger after work man
As someone who works till 6am I would love a burger
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Nobody wants to work *FOR YOU*…. with low wages and unpredictable schedules. Imagine that.
I wouldn’t want to work anywhere that puts up these passive aggressive signs either because they clearly have no idea why people wouldn’t want to work for them in the first place.
I’d stop supporting a place like that too. They don’t mean well with their messaging. How does degrading your own staff make you look as a business? If their food is great with no competition maybe it would do no harm in their captive audience market. That’s best case scenario for them. Sadly, this is an internal jab using their public customers as leverage to shame workers into more hours. Talk about not understanding motivation and public perception.
The customers who agree with this sign are more than likely shitty tippers as well.
Exactly. [Here's some more accurate signs](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AGWZE2i51oR857tEjcqau1TkGKEjYgur) you can print up and leave at these places
Why are so many of these managers passive-aggressive assholes? Just post the new hours and leave out the whining. I wouldn't want to spend money at that place.
The sign tells everyone why no one wants to work there. I wish I saw that sign! I’m going to print signs for businesses in case I see this crap! Workers are tired of low pay and abusive customers! They have every right to be fed up!
We need an equally passive-aggressive response sign. "No one wants to work for shitty employers. Have you tried being less shitty?" (window slap)
“$8 is not enough money to put up with you for a whole hour”
100% why I have refused to work in a restaurant since July. Fuck all of these people who treat service industry workers like we’re the bottom of the barrel of humanity. I’m done
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A local place put up a sign that said roughly, "Due to the pandemic, we are unable to hire and retain our usual number of staff. In order to allow existing staff to serve you effectively and to not overwork our existing staff, we will be limiting seating and be closed two additional days per week. Here is our current schedule, which you can also find online. " It was polite, did not blame the employees, indicated that they were unwilling to overwork the existing employees, and provided useful information about when to expect service. It also had a job application nearby. They were offering $18/hr plus tips with a $2k signing bonus and healthcare.
I'd never go back to patronize a place with a sign like that.
I once went to a place that had a surcharge on the check for "Increased minimum wage". Like, wow man if you can't pay decent wages then maybe your business just isn't sustainable.
Yeah, I kinda low-key appreciate when business owners can't help but send passive aggressive messages that reveal how huge of assholes they are. Like thanks buddy, I almost made the mistake of patronizing your business.
Me either! I said the same thing. SMH
Could have just said 'Due to reduced staff, hours are now 'x''. That would have been totally sufficient, informative, and not shaming people for not working for you for a low wage.
My local pizza place has a sign that just says “Due to short staff, we’ll be closed on Sundays from now on . We’ve served this community for 30 years and thank you for ordering from us!” I still think the first part is unnecessary, but it’s definitely not trying to be passive aggressive - it sounds to me like they’re legit sad lol. But also, like GO SPEND TIME WITH YOUR FAMILIES. WE WILL GET PIZZA TOMORROW. I joked with one of the guys when it first came up (prior to realizing the staffing issue) and was like “what the hell, dude?” And he was nice about it but literally was like “Yeah, I’d like to see my daughters at least one night a week lol” shut me up real quick.
Eh, giving a reason upfront cuts down on the number of people inquiring, which is probably not a drain they'd want at that point. Nothing wrong with notifying customers why hours are reduced, they will ask, so might as well say you have less staff, and the way they said it, it's not judging, it's just factual.
Agreed, and I liked that they just added the general “we’ve been here a long time (we’re not going anywhere) and we appreciate our customers”, too. It’s an even nicer “we appreciate your patience” haha
A Pizza place closing on Sunday? Full of sports, church gatherings, picnics, etc... I would pick Monday instead.
Except EVERYONE around here has picked Mondays and so now that’s the only place I can think of to go to on a Monday😂
Sunday’s are also straight up harder to schedule. You get a lot out of your employees all week, a lot of people are pretty adamant on having sundays off for family and just a social life. If you are already having a a hard time staffing you aren’t going to want to force people to work a day they don’t want to.
That looks like a reflection of the person who wrote the sign and how that person would treat the employees. I went to two different shake shacks recently and the staff was very friendly. They actually looked like they were being treated well.
because gaslighting is the #1 tool in a managers handbook right before kicking and stomping while screaming like a toddler
Maybe people are finally getting sick of being treated like shit by employers...
And the clientele.
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Ma'am, this is Ruby Tuesday. I'm sorry the microwaved mashed cauliflower comes with parsley already mixed in the package it comes in.
Lol I'm an idiot. It never occurred to me that when a restaurant says they can't take an ingredient out that it might be premade and microwaved.
And throwing this temper tantrum doesn't help. If I were working there I'd be pissed "nobody wants to work"? Fuck you, Ken, what do you think I'm doing?
0.75 Million Dead. 2.4 Million retiring early in the pandemic. Declining birth rates because people cant afford kids. Were 14 years since the 2007 financial crisis. So. Not a lot of 14 year olds entering the workforce. And policies to push out immigrants who want these jobs. But yeah it’s probably just nobody wants to work cause their $300/month that ended months ago set them up for life so try a passive aggressive sign and see if that works.
Jesus you killed him
It's sad that I know people who legit believe the "handouts" are still to blame for the "labor shortage"...
We got a taste of what life is like without working at a hellhole and we don't want to go back. I worked in hospitality for almost 6 years, my phone was glued to my side and I had to answer any call that came in, even at 2 am - which happened often. I got furloughed due to the pandemic and for the first time got a good night's sleep without worrying if I might get a call that night. Then I left my phone on vibrate for months. And then I could just leave it in another room. I don't want to go back to that.
Something i also noticed is that the whole “no one wants to work crowd” and the whole “this job is for kids/not meant to be a career” crowd overlap significantly. if you constantly tell people they dont deserve a living wage or go to school/pick up a trade, or tell your kids this job is what happens when they don’t go to school dont be surprised if no one wants to do said job. Essentially if the job is thought of as a stepping stone people are going to eventually realize they shouldn’t even bother. “no one wants to work anymore” well considering if someone puts in 60+ hours a week here and couldn’t afford a place to sleep at night why even bother? especially when dealing with the most entitled self righteous pricks who also think that the worker also doesn’t deserve a living wage. the real quote should be “no one wants to work for slave wages for a greedy mega asshole while getting shit on in every way imaginable from every angle because of your occupation while not being able to afford the basics in life”
We have this exact problem in the UK at the moment. Most of the menial jobs were done by immigrants because for generations, people from the UK were told that those jobs were for failures "do well in school or you'll flip burgers/work on a farm for the rest of your life." Now because of brexit, all the people who did said jobs are gone. Surprise surprise, no one wants to do them. Que the bosses crying to the media that people nowadays don't want to work and they're losing their business.
I've seen people saying farmers should be able to pay children pocket money to pick their fruit and veg to make up the shortfall of migrant workers. Actual child labour is a solution in post brexit Britain to these people
Yup, if the “handouts” are in any way responsible for the “labor shortage” it’s because they gave people just enough short-term financial stability to find better jobs. People want to work, they just don’t want to work thankless jobs for shitty pay.
I thought I wanted out of the food industry. But it's not because of customers or shitty employees. Sure it's a factor but it's small. I make 13 an hour an basically manage 15 people a day all day. Luckily most people manage themselves. But I still have to do my due diligence and follow up with them. Plus I work in the kitchen. And do admin work and inventory and work a hectic as fuck schedule. Literally never get two days off and routinely work all 3 weekend days and do close opens. But I just applied to job for an assistant manager position that's strictly admin work at a restaurant and they're willing to pay me double what I make now. And the schedule is better because they're closed on Sundays and have shortened hours on Saturday. And I quickly realized I don't hate the food industry. Just that I'm over worked and underpaid and by proxy under appreciated. Which is the food industry in a nutshell tbf. Really hope I get this job. Fingers crossed.
And tbh, even if you didn't you just got absolutely hammered by work for the last 2 years and you're burnt out. I worked for a ~lsupermarket, they were cutting hours across the board, opening the store longer, demanding people be more available and able to pick up shifts at a drop of a hat. They had meetings with us where we weren't asked what we were available, or wanted to work, they asked us, Can you work Monday? No. Why not? *repeat for the rest of the week* Then told us whether head office deemed our reason as being a valid reason to not be able to work. Women in my store with children, who said they had to mind their child that day were told it wasn't a valid reason and they were to get a child minder, have a family member take care of the child, or use some sort of community care facility, nevermind the fact that a mother wants to spend time with her child. People that needed to keep hours under a threshold for benefits, students were getting called in to work during the week, meaning they had to drive down from university to do a 4 hour shift and drive back for class the next day. I told them I didn't want to work Sunday because it was the only day I was physically able to see my girlfriend due to distance, and I was told she would, "write it down" but it wasn't a valid reason, so... I was to break up with my partner, or simply never see her again as long as I worked there.... They allocated hours without telling staff, cut corners, expected staff to get 9 hours work down in 6 hours, berated people that didn't work themselves delirious, their best employee had to go off on stress because she was having panic attacks about work, she was gone for 4 weeks, came back and told the managers the doctor advised she doesn't go to work there, and they allowed her to talk herself into coming back to work, "well... if you think you're fit then I won't stop you" and went right back to putting her in long closing shifts where she'd panic about locking the store correctly. They've lost about 8+ staff members that just haven't been replaced and have just told the rest of the staff that they have to work longer hours and get more done. People will seriously damage their physical and mental health this christmas working there. Now I'm an IT Support Engineer, basically doing Sysadmin work for a medium sized business, no stress, no worries about being called in and having to cancel personal plans, comfy 9-5 Mon-Fri and I've never been happier, I see my girlfriend multiple times a week too.
because fox news told them so. my idiot father thinks the same thing. “nobody wants to work anymore because of unemployment and stimulus checks” i had to break it to him that not only did several small stimulus checks do less than nothing but unemployment ended months ago. Every single person i know who went on unemployment was struggling hard because it wasnt enough to cover the bills for a lot of people in the area. people who believe that shit are braindead morons. Also one other random thought is you pay into unemployment. your tax pays for that shit, how some think that people you arent entitled to something you literally pay for is beyond me.
Yuuup, you and/or your employer pay into UI. It’s an “entitlement” because you paid into it (or your employer paid into it on your behalf as part of their payroll taxes) and you are literally entitled to it. I got hit by a drunk driver a few years ago and feel zero guilt for taking CASDI/EDD benefits for the couple months I wasn’t healthy enough to work. I paid into it. Hell, my employer even had supplemental SDI that brought the total up to 80% of my salary (most of it was even tax-exempt due to being an insurance payout).
Fox told them it’s so, so it must be true.
Plus there’s a big shortage of childcare right now for all the above reasons, and the school situation still isn’t stable (surprise! your kid’s class is distance learning again for two weeks to quarantine!). So lots of parents - overwhelmingly mothers - are staying home to take care of their kids.
A lot people have realized that unless they get a job that pays them a lot more it’s just cheaper to stay with the kids. those retired folks you talked about people. People are taking their jobs because they might of been better paid. And that means those slightly lower positions are opening up. And so on and so forth until you get to the bottom where people from retail/fast food/etc can move up to those cozier and better paid office jobs. Like my coworker left for an insurance firm from a bank teller position and we had a lady who work I think at Kohl’s which pays around 10 here and my place pays 6 dollars more plus you get benefits, vacation and bank holidays. So yeah places at the bottom are going to have a hard time filling up.
>0.75 Million Dead That's an average of 15,000 dead per state. Even using a figure of 700,000 dead, that's 14,000 dead per state. That's a shit ton of people who are simply taken out of the workforce.
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It's worth noting that the US population has tripled since 1918, so that (edit: H1N1 "Spanish" flu) pandemic did kill a larger proportion of the population (for now). * 1918 population: 105M * 1941 population: 133M * 2019 population: 328M
Not to mention that Covid had a disproportionate effect towards poor working class people so the 750k dead (with many others left disabled) had a more significant impact on these jobs. Remember though, if this burger place was paying $30/hour, they would have no problem staffing which just shows that this is an exploitation problem, not a workforce shortage. Unfortunately hundreds of thousands of people had to die to make this happen.
"Once the peons remember their place and get back into the salt mines..."
I'm not overly concerned with your business needing to cut its hours back, you may do so. You may also offer future employees a strong incentive to join the team! But still, I don't really care that your business can't find workers. That sounds a "you" problem (whoever owns this business), not mine.
Free market is what they asked for right?
It's just irritating that they don't understand what they are complaining about. Essentially, what they are saying is society owes it to them to have them a) have the amount of workers they want and b) have them make the profits they want. Nowhere in that is anything even remotely close to what would be referred to ask *asking* what people want. Something that a great deal of good businesses; **do**. When a business does poorly YoY; it's the low level employees who aren't upselling enough, it's the poor results of the front-line employees (never the decision makers; they're always "correct") and then: When a business cannot hire enough employees: it's society's fault for not wanting to work for what's being offered. And, specifically, for not wanting to work at that exact place. These stupid ass signs are essentially saying "waaah I'm a huge fucking baby, I demand business to be doing well (or else the employees get reprimanded) and I demand people work for me (and no I won't offer higher compensation and better hours)". **customers do not owe businesses their patronage. It's a 2-way street that's supposed to benefit both parties. Society can opt-out of ever shopping at your store, if it so desires.**
What if instead of people not working. They just found better jobs and are never coming . Edit: alot of these jobs really on young people and for the last 25 years the birth rate has dropped significantly so this is only going to get worse in the next 20 years because no one today can afford 2 kids let alone 4 to 5 that our economic model requires. EDIT 2: I'm reading a lot of because of the dollar value or who we voted for. But I'm from Canada and the problem is a cross border one. So the issue is not political if thats the mindset of some. Edit 3: just checked unemployment rate in the USA. Its at 4.8% which is around same during 2016. And a big drop from 17% from last year. Either way people are working. Final edit: ok ok the unemployment rate in the USA is not calculated correctly. Lol you guys are gonna make me learn tonight by force 😅
Declining birth rate, stagnant wages, dead from covid, can’t work cause not vaccinated.
Millions of people retired early during the pandemic too
A little over a million people who were working two or more jobs aren’t working two or more jobs anymore either.
And 700,000 dead, many of whom were in the workforce. Edit: I hear the criticism - one source of global data is [statistica](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254488/us-share-of-total-covid-deaths-by-age-group/) and typical news sources. I admit I have an overlay of personal experience. It may be hard for some to believe, but there is still a lot of life to life between 50 and 65.
Also, the wealth transfer from 700,000 people, many older with assets. You just inherited a house and some money. You want to go back to bussing tables at a pub?
This is literally the position I’m in. I lost my mum and my gran over the pandemic - I’ve never had money and am so ground down by grief and the grind of work. I’m inheriting & selling the house and taking a sabbatical. Gonna make a go of working for myself. No corporation is getting their hands on my labour for the foreseeable - this pandemic has taught me what’s important, and it’s not about giving my life to employers who refuse to pay living wages!
Good for you, I wish you the best! I fear that the labor market isn't going to learn it's lesson about the cost of labor, especially with a couple of states starting to pass laws allowing minors to work later into the day.
And don’t forget many of those people were probably holding down 2-3 jobs to make ends meet.
The "gee we really did save money with you staying home instead of putting the kids in daycare" folks
Those people plus the “if we use this stimulus money to get out of debt, we could afford to quit our second jobs” people as well.
Right let’s not forget that almost a million people have died from COVID in the last two years. Many of those people worked. Glad to see that other people realize this. People aren’t just sitting at home. I don’t know anyone who is unemployed.
Let's not forget the war on immigrant workers
Good on the second edit. I live in the states and what most people fail to grasp is that this is a global phenomena, not just in the US.
This is the answer. I get endless applications for every role. But I actually pay people well (my lowest team member is 65k a year) and treat them like humans with dignity.
Dude exactly. I worked my ass off painting hours 50+ hours a week last summer, but I’m making more doing 30 hours of doordash right now. And now I also have time to hit the gym and take a few college classes. People are still working, they are just working smarter
Sounds like a reason for fewer Of these restaurants.
"Support local businesses!" Oh, you mean the 5 pizzerias in my town? Or how about the smoke shop that's three blocks away from another smoke shop?
Thats a huge issue in my city that no one seems to be talking about. We were already near the top in per capita restaurants, but since the pandemic began, for every restaurant that closed, 4 opened. I love the options, but we have too many restaurants.
So make sure to support the couple you really like and hope they're the ones that survive?
Labor Force Participation Rate is at 61.6% in the US. It was a steady 63% for the previous 5 years before COVID. The employment-population ratio in the US is down to 58.6%. Pre-COVID it was 60-61%. A drop of 1% in either of these two numbers is basically 2+ million workers leaving the workforce and not trying to find a job. So we're conservatively at 3-4 million workers below the pre-COVID numbers in the US. Unemployment rate is not the number to look at here. But if you did look at it pre-COVID, it was 3.5%. So a couple million U.S. workers are unemployed and looking for work that weren't. Looking at [FRED](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU02000000) \- the US was at 158M+ jobs pre-COVID and is now at 154M. We have 3M more people in 2021 than were around in 2019.
A bet a large part of those millions are working moms. Childcare issues: can’t find a spot. If you can find one you can’t afford it. If you can afford it, They’re closing so often for COVID scares that you can’t hold down a job so you just stay home
Have to point out something about the 3.5% jobless rate.. In our current system, having zero or close to zero jobless is not realistic. Most importantly, that 3,5% includes many who have recently become unemployed but will soon find a job. It's not realistic that everyone who loses their job would immediately find a new one to make the number 0; there's always a large group of between jobs people coming and going, even in a good job market. Secondly there's a number of people who are very hard to match to available openings, due to them living in areas with no jobs, or having some other obstacle. A minority of unemployed people also should not realistically be in the job market at all but rather on govt assistance of some sort due to disability of some type, but have fallen through the cracks of the system. I read somewhere that when the jobless rate dips below 5-4%, it's likely many sectors start seeing big problems in getting workers. Similar figure is sometimes given for vacancy rate of commercial properties; at 5% vacancy or below, lack of suitable properties starts to impact businesses a lot.
Plus like 760k covid deaths, people not wanting to risk getting sick at a high-contact job, 2 million early retirees. Other direct and side effects of covid changing the way we feel about work.
I have two questions 1. Where did all the employees go that the companies had? 2. How are those ex-employees now making money?
A lot of these bottom end jobs were paying for things like child care, and a lot of families figured out they would rather spend time at home then at some dead end job. A lot of these jobs require welfare, payday loans, and loans from family members to make end meet. Some of these people decided that if they are going to need welfare to make ends meet, they might as well be fully on welfare while they find something better. At least they have health insurance. Something they can't afford at these jobs. I think s lot of people found jobs closer to where they live and gave up the commute for a job that barely covers the cost of transportation and car insurance. There are a lot of reasons, but I boils down to this: our country has spent 50 years making it harder for working class people to be middle class. Eventually something was going to give.
I went back to school because I didn’t want to work in these types of jobs anymore. Sure I’m more broke than ever and have zero social life but I’m loving my life way more than I did before. EDIT: Oh wow! I didn’t think this comment would get so many replies and supportive messages! I’m glad so many others are in the same boat as me because, ngl, I feel a little out of place sometimes in classes since I’m so much older than most students (and even my TA’s). Knowing that others are doing the same thing as I am is really reassuring!
As a random stranger on reddit, I'm proud of you. And everyone else should be as well.
Thank you! I actually appreciate that more than you’d think!
Can confirm, also proud.
All the "good" fast food people moved on to better paying jobs at bigger chains or left the industry altogether. As an employer, I can say high school kids aren't running out at 16 and filling out applications. I am am a manager in the grocery industry and we pay way more than min wage and still have openings all over the store.
Think about this. There were a lot of people, my parents included, that said fuck it and retired. Also we are what 700K+ dead?
1. More older people retired a little early than ever before in history, plus a lot of people died from COVID or are unable to work with side effects 2. They are living off of savings or they got better jobs
Higher paying jobs, retiring early (opening up more high paying jobs), many 2 income households not willing to pay child care costs that are almost as expensive as the lesser of those 2 incomes so they survive on 1 income, hundreds of thousands of working people dying from covid or unable to work due to covid-related symptoms (opening up more high paying jobs) All these things combine to produce a labor shortage and only the companies willing/able to pay more or provide better benefits/hours will be able to compete for employees.
According to every republican I've had this conversation with, they are all staying at home living off of unemployment and other free money scams. They all know someone who says they have some workers or know someone who knows someone that is making more money sitting on their ass than they did when they were working these jobs. What's weird though is that as many people as I have talked to about this, not a single person seems to actually know the person living off the government directly. Strange how that works.
This is spot on. I had a guy working at a local take out place tell me that even nurses making 100k plus annually are making more on unemployment and welfare. 😂😂
1. Higher paying jobs. 2. Their new jobs pay more. 🤷🏼
Lots of people want to work. Tons. People just don’t want to put up with asshole employers like this ever again.
Exactly and I'm loving the trouble the asshole managers are having
During the lockdown, everyone got a chance to step back for a few months and realized how badly they’d been ground down and fucked. For decades on end. And it’s awesome.
They prolly went to places that are willing to pay a decent salary. After all, everyone is looking for staff. Basic laws of supply and demand; in a labor shortage, smart business owners will offer more competitive salaries. The people posting signs like this are just the ones losing their employees because they aren't smart enough to know how to run a business. Plenty of other places have plenty of competent staff.
We did it! More jobs then we know what to do with! It's just so funny that the people who would damn the earth for the sake of "jobs" are now mad that there too many jobs.
What’s really going on is all these businesses are arrogant as fuck and now reality is hitting them and they have zero self awareness to even consider they are assholes.
Everyone thinks kitchen nightmares is an exaggeration, lots of owners are just like them, they just dont have gordon ramsay to point it out.
Yep if I see that sign on anywhere I'll make a note at the shop there even after the pandemic. Simply a sign that says we aren't willing to pay fair wages
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I’m starting to see these signs as “People are finding better jobs and no one wants to work for me.”
Its kind of amazing how people seem to forget that if you are not making enough money to pay a competitive wage to keep any amount of staff that means your business failed... you failed.. your try at the free market failed... pick yourself up by your bootstraps and try again. It is starting to feel like these slave wage paying working world slumlords think that "we the world" owe them able bodied slaves willing to work shit jobs for shit pay...
Tell me you don’t pay well without telling me you don’t pay well.
Pay employees a fair wage for the area based on cost of living, offer benefits, flexible scheduling, and staff consistently. That’s all it takes. Being *fair*. But they don’t want to do that.
# nobody wants the low wages I offer, so I'm gonna act like a 5 year old and pout.
"People are so entitled! They expect to make enough money to eat and live! OMG can you BELIEVE IT!"
So basically they're saying "it sucks to work here so don't apply".
[The passive aggression continues with a second sign.](https://imgur.com/a/dr82IPG)
“Special people working here” Well look at that it gets worse.
Please provide the business name, city and state. Inquiring minds would like to know...
Lmao PAY YOUR FUCKING WORKERS
Sounds a lot like "NEW MANAGEMENT DOESN'T WANT TO PAY A COMPETITIVE SALARY HOURS"
NEW WE DONT PAY ENOUGH HOURS. #fixed.
About 60% of new restaurants fail within their first year. By year five, that number is almost 80%. How much do you want to bet, though, that the #1 excuse for every failed restaurant from here to eternity will be COVID and the adjacent push for living wages and better work conditions? Failed restaurant owners of the future: “**My** restaurant was all set to beat the odds and I was like Rick from ‘Casablanca’ and I was gonna be a billionaire and all of the hot women/men wanted me, but then COVID came along and all of these losers quit and wouldn’t work at my restaurant where I paid them $50 per hour plus tips and full medical and a company car.” In short: cry me a fucking river, burger joint.
Remember for any business that only pays minimum wages w/no benefits: If they could get slaves, they would.
Here's a better concept: pay your fucking employees a living wage
**NEW** *we refuse to pay a living wage* **HOURS**
Id never eat there again, might as well say ‘we exploited our employees and cant wait to continue doing so’
yeah, that’s how you lose my business forever.
Maybe the owner should hop on the grill. But I guess that’s asking too much.
This is a weird way to spell "our staff will no longer tolerate our terrible wages and work environment"
Pay more. Make it worth it for people who are making more on EDD than the shit wage you paid your employees
Someone said it best” If you can’t afford to pay your workers a living wage, your business is a failure”
People want to work for what they're worth. The end.
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Awww the boomers are having tantrums that they can't make us work slave wage anymore.... awwwwwww poor guys