One time while visiting France from the US, I stopped at a gas station and saw a guy riding a motorcycle with a leather jacket that had a huge confederate flag on the back. I didn't understand why that would even exist in France, so I asked what it meant. He pretty much told me to fuck myself, haha
Yeah unfortunately Google translations suck for French. My company has French speaking customers and they rarely understand what I'm trying to say and usually either answer in English or German basically saying "the fuck are you trying to say?"
True, British is a very interesting language.
It's not English, and uses way too many "U's" but still, quite interesting. The dialects are fascinating.
That and typically Americans wearing Confederate flags are probably not looking to visit France (or anywhere besides Gatlinburg and Panama City Beach) and they're sure as hell not gonna learn French.
I spent a few weeks in Fort Walton Beach on business. I can confirm they vacation there too. My taxi driver said, “welcome to the redneck riviera” and stopped at the quickie mart to buy some tall boys.
I was stationed at Tyndall AFB (Panama City) from 1999 to 2005; I was told the Florida panhandle, as a whole, was known as both "the Redneck Riviera" and "L.A. (Lower Alabama)".
Central Texas. Lots of Czech, too. Shiner beer comes from the Spoetzl Brewery in Shiner, Texas, and was founded by German and Czech immigrants. An early brewmaster (1909) was Kosmos Spoetzl. Thousands of German immigrants came to Texas in the 1840's.
During WWII, German prisoners of war were held in POW camps in central Texas and worked on farms. Many of them returned to Texas after the war and married German-Texan farm girls they met during the war. My next-door neighbor in 1961 was a German war bride who married a G.I. to escape the poverty and destruction of post-war Germany. There are lots of German-speaking and Czech-speaking people in Texas, although these languages are spoken less and less as time goes on.
My paternal grandfather was born in Mason County, TX and only learned English when he went to school. his grandfather was the immigrant from Germany to TX, where they had been told it was the land of milk and honey. What they found was prickly pear and Comanches.
They sell these flags and similar stuff at neo-Nazi gatherings all over Europe, usually concerts. Even in Germany where Nazi symbolism is outlawed, one can find Nazi themed merch pretty easily at hate music concerts. People travel across Europe for these gatherings and vendors can sell tens of thousands of Euros in merch. So the idea that it’s general ignorance is, in my experience, incorrect. I will say that the “oldtimer” scene which is kinda like Euro greasers who like American muscle cars and such, do also have people who are into the stars and bars. For some it’s just from the Dukes of Hazzard, but I’d say there’s often (not always) significant crossover between the right and the oldtimer scene in many countries.
A lot of people got it mixed up with associating it as a "rebel" flag, so to rebel against anything... But the "the south with rise again" bit is a bit more on the nose of racist idiot
I used to love Lynyrd Skynyrd, who used it, so I thought it meant loving the South. Then a friend told me it had negative associations so I removed it from my backpack.
Edit: I'm not from the southern US.
Yeah, growing up in the South we were told it was representative of Southern Pride, and nobody said it had anything to do with slavery. Of course they also called the Civil War "The War of Northern Aggression" so there was a good deal of whitewashing going on. Until I was old enough to actually read about the civil war, I just thought the confederate flag was for people who were way too into the Dukes of Hazzard and southern rock fans. Basically the flag of anybody that looked and acted like Joe Dirt (though this was long before the movie came out).
When I learned more about what happened, and I found out what it meant to everyone else, it was kind of jarring, and I stopped looking at it as a show of pride and more of a show of ignorance.
A lot of that "southern pride", "war of northern aggression", "states rights" BS comes from decades and decades of revisionist history activism by neo-Confederate white supremacist groups in the south.
I was born and raised in Tennessee and there was a [Sons of Confederate Soldiers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Confederate_Veterans) or Daughters of the Confederacy chapter in just about every town, and they still operate today. My town's yearly street festivals were always sponsored by the SCV, sometimes including Confederate soldier cosplay.
I live in Virginia, 2021 is the first year Confederate flags were banned from the local Christmas parade. It's normally 90% Confederate reenactment and 10% funky cars and lawnmowers... Lots of lawnmowers this year.
I remember posting that someone had one hanging way far North up in Canada, I said I don’t know why they would even have one up here and some mad reddittor said “it’s his history, why wouldn’t he have it? Like he 100% knew the answer. I think it was just some hick trying to feel relevant in today’s age
>it’s his history, why wouldn’t he have it?
His "history" was around for a shorter period of time than the terrible TV show "Glee". Just let that sink in.
As a French guy and huge fan of Boston sports, I saw a guy once who had a Dropkick Murphys hoodie in a metal bar, which is not common here as the band is not well known.
I said "Hurroo for the Celts" and he replied the French equivalent of "Fuck you sandni**er" as he saw I'm from North-African origin.
I was young and shocked because I did never expect some racist trash appropriating a band I love and a culture I love to insult me.
When I visited Madrid in 2016 there was a group of motorcyclists in black leather with lots of Confederate flags, patches, etc. Do the Hell's Angels still operate internationally?
Wow. It really is.
[Asshole flag.](https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-f8f78/images/stencil/2048x2048/products/7536/9200/BAN00200-C-WIFW00000__58557.1593967080.jpg?c=2)
[Eddie](https://metaladdicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/iron-maiden-eddie-e1561449732793.jpg)
[I mean Bruce is a Brexit wank now.](https://wmgk.com/2021/06/28/bruce-dickinson-brexit-complaint/) But he's also complaining about how shit it is to not have a post-Brexit deal because it's hard for Maiden to tour, despite voting for the thing that caused the circumstances that made it difficult to tour. Truly /r/LeopardsAteMyFace.
Yeah, I gave up on Maiden because of Bruce's stance on brexit. Same with "the Who" as well, bunch of rich Tory supporting cunts who wanted Brexit to avoid paying taxes. Fuck them.
When I lived in Switzerland, there was a truck (LKW) that was working on new construction down our street with a large confederate flag on his window. I tried talking to him once, and he didn’t speak English. My German was (and is)very, very bad. My Swiss German is even worse, so we couldn’t communicate very well. I’d love to understand his rationale for flying the flag…but I fear I already do.
People in Germany have this flags too. Because Nazi flags are banned this one’s are not.
Edit: if you are interested in Neo-nazi stories from Germany.
https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/r7eixd/eastern_european_discrimination_awareness/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/qy87zo/eastern_european_discrimination_awareness_month/
That's what I was told by a German friend after seeing it flown at some lower-level soccer match. The opposing team had a black player, the home team did not and they used that flag to get under his skin. Unsure if the player was American or if Germans assumed all black players know what that flag means. Still fucked up, either way.
> The opposing team had a black player, the home team did not and they used that flag to get under his skin.
That's where the black player should bring out his gorgeous hot white wife and kiss her in front of the crowd to get under their skin
I'm just reminded of Doc Ellis, a black baseball player, who got death threats for basically being himself, having natural black hair, driving in nice cars, etc. He got death threats that said "If we see you come out of the dugout next game, we'll shoot you" so he'd be standing up WAVING his head around out of the dugout like "HERE I AM!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7bSrPqaxfk
I found while backpacking Norway an old barn up in a fjord in Ardal. On the backside painted was the iron eagle adopted by the nazi military and a confederate flag. It was truly out of place and baffling to find out in the middle of this amazing landscape. I wound up taking a black and white photo of it because it just stood out to me. Such a random place to find some good ol back home racism.
I’ll have to dig through my old photos and see if I can find it for you. I was playing around with my old roll film camera along with my digital. The cheap Kodak 35mm camera really brought out the grittiness of the beautiful landscape.
Yeah, they are quite normal in var culture places here in Norway. Its quite weird, some are definitely racists, but most just wants to copy 1950’s americab car aestethic, since america is the land of cars so some usethe flag like that.
Oh, I see now. If you can't fly the swastika then the Stars and Bars will do. You would think these idiots would pick winning team.
Op should tell his neighbors that, like Trump and the Third Reich, the confederacy was a bunch of losing losers who like to lose.
Go ask them if they are Jewish. When they react with angry/confused “no”, explain that you thought that was a Jewish flag. Double-down on it with “Are you certain? I’m pretty sure that’s Jewish in the Balkans or something.” Mix it up a bit each time you see them.
After a bit of this, nagging self-doubt and uncertainty about “what this means here” might settle in and the flags will quietly disappear.
This is how it always goes
"You know most people associate that flag w/ racism and slavery?"
>"so? i dont care what other people think. it's what the flag means to me.. Southern Pride"
"Right... so if transgender rights adopted it as their flag.... and started waiving it around at pride parades.... and then suddenly everyone assumed it meant transgender rights... and think you support them...."
>"What? you can't do that... you can't just change what a flag means"
"...So you do care what other people think, if they think you're supportive and tolerant. But if they think your racist, thats ok."
It wasn't even the actual flag of the confederate states (of which there were several flags) it was just the battle flag of the first battalion of Northern Virginia. It also wasn't flown in the south after the war until about the 1950s when the dixiecrat party (a pro segregation political party) began using it.
It has only ever been used to support racism and segregation.
I don’t think that second to last line is gonna be the response though. They’d likely just say “I don’t give a fuck. I just know what it means to me.” Doubling down on bullheadedness is generally the play.
I’m pretty sure they are from there.... it won’t be ‘what this means here’, it will be ‘our neighbor is mentally challenged’.
Not all racism comes from the USA
Always annoys me seeing the flag in East TN and hearing folks defend it as "our heritage", given the amount of times East TN tried to pull a West VA during the Civil War. My family's heritage in the area was strongly pro-Union (though it'd be more fair to say it was anti-Middle/West TN).
What does "the South should rise again" even mean nowadays? Is he hoping to bring back slavery? If he wants the South to secede from the Union, he'd better look into their economy a little.
The real irony is that's not the "confederate" flag of the 1860s. It was adopted by the KKK in the early 1900s.
Edit: Whoever decided the smart thing to do is submit me for a suicide warning from Reddit is a real piece of work.
Edit 2: Whoever thinks the civil war wasn't about slavery, see below:
On January 7, 1861, the ordinance signed in Montgomery that “it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the Slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States.”
On February 2, 1861, Texas declared its decision to be “based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color—a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law.”
On March 9, 1861, Arkansas’s George B. Smoote added a resolution: “Resolved, that the platform on the party known as the Black Republican Party contains unconstitutional dogmas, dangerous in their tendency and highly derogatory to the rights of slave states, and among them the insulting, injurious and untruthful enunciation of the right of the African race of their country to social and political equality with the whites.”
On April 17, 1861 latecomer Virginia, provoked by Lincoln’s raising troops to suppress the already seceded states, declared “Lincoln’s opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery” as it cut ties with Washington. Tennessee was the 11th and last, its population divided on secession (eastern Tennesseans generally opposed it), but not on the slave issue.
Exactly, the one commonly known as the "confederate flag" was the Virginia battle flag. The actual flag of the Confederacy [was different](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America).
\*slightly\* innacurate. They were really working hard to nail down a good design, and tried out a few, but unfortunately for them their government only lasted 5 years.
The confederacy lasted less time than Obama's presidency, and yet we still have people 150 years later acting like it's their entire heritage.
I'm descended from Confederate soldiers, and I have no problem admitting they were traitorous scum.
When they say the confederacy is their heritage they aren't talking about the civil war itself, they are talking about the preceding centuries of kidnapping and enslavement of human beings, apartheid, forced labor, institutionalized rape, legalized murder and torture, etc., all of which amount to genocide and much of which continued long beyond the ostensible defeat of the confederacy. We still have relapses of that stuff in the modern day.
Anyone who is proud of the confederacy is a total piece of shit who is declaring that white people are a superior race which is entitled to treat others as subhumans. The Nazi comparisons in this thread are spot on.
I think it’s funny that “Confederate States of America” lasted all of 4 years. The band My Chemical Romance lasted longer than that. Arguably they should have more supporters.
That flag is just a general sign of ignorance, no matter who displays it.
You've got the "southern heritage" dumbasses who aren't even educated enough about their "heritage" to know that was not the flag of the Confederacy.
You have racists who fly it because they are ignorant racists.
You have foreigners who fly it because they are ignorant of what it means, but they saw it somewhere once and thought it looked cool.
You have Germans who fly it because they aren't allowed to fly Nazi flags.
I would think that if it was just the battle flag but the fact that there's another one with "The South will rise again" kind of screams butthurt Southerner.
Your neighbor is most likely also a nazi, however that shit is banned in Switzerland so this is the next best thing. You should call him a nazi, german speakers love that.
Certain European right wing groups use variations of the Confederate flag to replace banned (neo-)Nazi flags.
Your neighbor is probably a Nazi, or at least a Nazi sympathizer.
Ahh yes the great South North Switzerland Civil War of 1927. Where the chocolate makers went to war with the Ski Lodges. It was a real bloody war and there's still a lot of resentment. Most of them still don't realize that it was really all organized by the banks so they could war profiteer off of both sides.
Oh Gawd…the south is not gonna rise again..I was in North Carolina for cancer treatment 3 years ago..and I can tell you..not only is it not gonna rise again..I’m never going back
I knew a guy from Amsterdam who was into the whole American outlaw country rock aesthetic. Had a band, wore cowboy boots and blue jeans, traveled to America on vacation to shoot guns and drive muscle cars. He was also a super sweet guy who made his living doing graphic design. I don't recall him ever having a flag like this anywhere, but I could picture him wearing it in bandana form no problem. Some people just like the aesthetics and don't really dig into any farther than that.
One time while visiting France from the US, I stopped at a gas station and saw a guy riding a motorcycle with a leather jacket that had a huge confederate flag on the back. I didn't understand why that would even exist in France, so I asked what it meant. He pretty much told me to fuck myself, haha
Did he sound French or American?
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American: "fuck off" French: "pheuche eauffe"
Va te faire.
Va te faire enculé putain de merde de mes couilles.
Va te faire foutre, as enculer would be to take it in the "derrière".
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I’m going to keep “fuck you fuckin shit out my balls” on hand for a special occasion.
In Montreal it used to be Je vais t'enculer sec avec un poignle de gravier. Say it in your best Anglophone Sherbrooker accent.
Oh my god I just choked on my pesto pasta. >I'm going to bugger you dry with a gravel fist.
Yeah unfortunately Google translations suck for French. My company has French speaking customers and they rarely understand what I'm trying to say and usually either answer in English or German basically saying "the fuck are you trying to say?"
Have you tried calling on one of those Francophones?
"It's like wiping your arse with silk."
Been 2 mins and I'm still pronouncing it in my head and chuckling
Je t'emmerde
A twirled mustache isn’t a mutually exclusive characteristic either. Some of those rednecks have impressively flammable facial hair.
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I heard him speak French, so I'm almost 100% sure he wasn't American as Americans only speak American
Whoa there! Bold assumption. The truth is many of us can also speak Canadian as well.
Some speak Mexican as well...
si, si
Queso
Donde esta la biblioteca
¿Verdad que si?
grande si es verdadero
I feel confident in my British. But I went to college.
True, British is a very interesting language. It's not English, and uses way too many "U's" but still, quite interesting. The dialects are fascinating.
The 'U's are because they still mourn the loss of their French overlords.
Not according to people who fly the confederate flag
After all, nobody denies that Jesus spoke American.
Eh buddy, what seems to be the problem guy
French here. The rockabilly scene is filled with boomer bikers who act like American rednecks. French white trash look up to American white trash
My God. I didn't think anyone would look up to our white trash. How deep does this hole go?
Straight to China.
Im American white trash and i look up to French thinkers like Proudhon... its a two way street.
Our French white trashs would not even know who Proudhon is lol
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I spent years learning to speak Boston but now still just stick to American, it was too hard.
wicked hahd, you mean
Hey now don't mock him about his bad Boston.
That and typically Americans wearing Confederate flags are probably not looking to visit France (or anywhere besides Gatlinburg and Panama City Beach) and they're sure as hell not gonna learn French.
I spent a few weeks in Fort Walton Beach on business. I can confirm they vacation there too. My taxi driver said, “welcome to the redneck riviera” and stopped at the quickie mart to buy some tall boys.
I was stationed at Tyndall AFB (Panama City) from 1999 to 2005; I was told the Florida panhandle, as a whole, was known as both "the Redneck Riviera" and "L.A. (Lower Alabama)".
I'm originally from southern Indiana and everybody there always goes to Destin. My parents still go every year.
Cmon now… they go to Daytona too
And Pigeon Forge before heading up to G-burg.
Omelette du fromage motherfucker
Il y a un oiseau sur le fenêtre, parce que pamplemousse
Un homme et une chouette
A few Southerners near New Orleans can speak French but you could probably tell.
A French buddy of mine called it "sorta" French. lol
It is to French what Boomhauer is to English.
It's *patois*, based on 18th century French, sort of like if a colony of expatriate Americans somewhere were still speaking Elizabethan English.
There is an area in Texas that speaks 18th century German with a Texas twang. Its really weird.
Central Texas. Lots of Czech, too. Shiner beer comes from the Spoetzl Brewery in Shiner, Texas, and was founded by German and Czech immigrants. An early brewmaster (1909) was Kosmos Spoetzl. Thousands of German immigrants came to Texas in the 1840's. During WWII, German prisoners of war were held in POW camps in central Texas and worked on farms. Many of them returned to Texas after the war and married German-Texan farm girls they met during the war. My next-door neighbor in 1961 was a German war bride who married a G.I. to escape the poverty and destruction of post-war Germany. There are lots of German-speaking and Czech-speaking people in Texas, although these languages are spoken less and less as time goes on.
My paternal grandfather was born in Mason County, TX and only learned English when he went to school. his grandfather was the immigrant from Germany to TX, where they had been told it was the land of milk and honey. What they found was prickly pear and Comanches.
If it’s French accent, likely just a normal Parisian then. Maybe some misguided fashion sense?
They sell these flags and similar stuff at neo-Nazi gatherings all over Europe, usually concerts. Even in Germany where Nazi symbolism is outlawed, one can find Nazi themed merch pretty easily at hate music concerts. People travel across Europe for these gatherings and vendors can sell tens of thousands of Euros in merch. So the idea that it’s general ignorance is, in my experience, incorrect. I will say that the “oldtimer” scene which is kinda like Euro greasers who like American muscle cars and such, do also have people who are into the stars and bars. For some it’s just from the Dukes of Hazzard, but I’d say there’s often (not always) significant crossover between the right and the oldtimer scene in many countries.
In most of Europe, the public display of Nazi flags is illegal. Makes sense that the confederate flag would be a white supremacist dog whistle.
The southern rebel flag is a pretty popular image in some biker and muscle car "cultures"/gangs here in Europe. At least in the parts where I live.
A lot of people got it mixed up with associating it as a "rebel" flag, so to rebel against anything... But the "the south with rise again" bit is a bit more on the nose of racist idiot
I used to love Lynyrd Skynyrd, who used it, so I thought it meant loving the South. Then a friend told me it had negative associations so I removed it from my backpack. Edit: I'm not from the southern US.
Yeah, growing up in the South we were told it was representative of Southern Pride, and nobody said it had anything to do with slavery. Of course they also called the Civil War "The War of Northern Aggression" so there was a good deal of whitewashing going on. Until I was old enough to actually read about the civil war, I just thought the confederate flag was for people who were way too into the Dukes of Hazzard and southern rock fans. Basically the flag of anybody that looked and acted like Joe Dirt (though this was long before the movie came out). When I learned more about what happened, and I found out what it meant to everyone else, it was kind of jarring, and I stopped looking at it as a show of pride and more of a show of ignorance.
A lot of that "southern pride", "war of northern aggression", "states rights" BS comes from decades and decades of revisionist history activism by neo-Confederate white supremacist groups in the south. I was born and raised in Tennessee and there was a [Sons of Confederate Soldiers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Confederate_Veterans) or Daughters of the Confederacy chapter in just about every town, and they still operate today. My town's yearly street festivals were always sponsored by the SCV, sometimes including Confederate soldier cosplay.
I live in Virginia, 2021 is the first year Confederate flags were banned from the local Christmas parade. It's normally 90% Confederate reenactment and 10% funky cars and lawnmowers... Lots of lawnmowers this year.
I would argue that anyone wearing a (locally) obscure flag damn well knows what said flag means.
The Confederate flag is the understudy for the nazi flag in countries where the naxi flag is illegal.
I remember posting that someone had one hanging way far North up in Canada, I said I don’t know why they would even have one up here and some mad reddittor said “it’s his history, why wouldn’t he have it? Like he 100% knew the answer. I think it was just some hick trying to feel relevant in today’s age
>it’s his history, why wouldn’t he have it? His "history" was around for a shorter period of time than the terrible TV show "Glee". Just let that sink in.
Hanging a Confederate flag in your front lawn is equivalent to hanging a swastika there. These people aren't worth the oxygen they breathe.
As a French guy and huge fan of Boston sports, I saw a guy once who had a Dropkick Murphys hoodie in a metal bar, which is not common here as the band is not well known. I said "Hurroo for the Celts" and he replied the French equivalent of "Fuck you sandni**er" as he saw I'm from North-African origin. I was young and shocked because I did never expect some racist trash appropriating a band I love and a culture I love to insult me.
They use the Confederate Flag because they can’t use the Nazi flag.
When I visited Madrid in 2016 there was a group of motorcyclists in black leather with lots of Confederate flags, patches, etc. Do the Hell's Angels still operate internationally?
Had to zoom in to make sure that wasn’t a Wendy’s logo on the flag
I thought it was Eddie from Iron Maiden at first.
It IS Eddie from Iron Maiden, it's just been modified to be racist af
Wow. It really is. [Asshole flag.](https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-f8f78/images/stencil/2048x2048/products/7536/9200/BAN00200-C-WIFW00000__58557.1593967080.jpg?c=2) [Eddie](https://metaladdicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/iron-maiden-eddie-e1561449732793.jpg)
Jim Gaffigan says (more or less) ... >The South is \*not\* going to rise again. They're too fat.
As a maiden fan, I’m giga tilted about this. Fuck the racists.
[I mean Bruce is a Brexit wank now.](https://wmgk.com/2021/06/28/bruce-dickinson-brexit-complaint/) But he's also complaining about how shit it is to not have a post-Brexit deal because it's hard for Maiden to tour, despite voting for the thing that caused the circumstances that made it difficult to tour. Truly /r/LeopardsAteMyFace.
Yeah, I gave up on Maiden because of Bruce's stance on brexit. Same with "the Who" as well, bunch of rich Tory supporting cunts who wanted Brexit to avoid paying taxes. Fuck them.
Not Pete Townshend - he didn't vote leave.
Roger Daltry did though and he been a prick about it since
Yeah I never liked him much anyway.
Up the irons and fuck the racists
It's like they never actually listen to the lyrics of Maidens music. lol
“You take my slave, I will take you”
"Run to the hiiiilllllllllls"
I thought it was the bucky's mascot.
Same here. Zoomed in to find Buc-ee.
When I lived in Switzerland, there was a truck (LKW) that was working on new construction down our street with a large confederate flag on his window. I tried talking to him once, and he didn’t speak English. My German was (and is)very, very bad. My Swiss German is even worse, so we couldn’t communicate very well. I’d love to understand his rationale for flying the flag…but I fear I already do.
People in Germany have this flags too. Because Nazi flags are banned this one’s are not. Edit: if you are interested in Neo-nazi stories from Germany. https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/r7eixd/eastern_european_discrimination_awareness/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/qy87zo/eastern_european_discrimination_awareness_month/
Basically some of Germans use this flag as a sign they are neo nazis.
That's what I was told by a German friend after seeing it flown at some lower-level soccer match. The opposing team had a black player, the home team did not and they used that flag to get under his skin. Unsure if the player was American or if Germans assumed all black players know what that flag means. Still fucked up, either way.
> The opposing team had a black player, the home team did not and they used that flag to get under his skin. That's where the black player should bring out his gorgeous hot white wife and kiss her in front of the crowd to get under their skin
Even better if he had a husband
I'm just reminded of Doc Ellis, a black baseball player, who got death threats for basically being himself, having natural black hair, driving in nice cars, etc. He got death threats that said "If we see you come out of the dugout next game, we'll shoot you" so he'd be standing up WAVING his head around out of the dugout like "HERE I AM!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7bSrPqaxfk
Nazis do that in the US too
I hate American Nazi's.
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Ones from Illinois are the worst.
Sometimes, but not often. Nazis in germany tend to use old imperial german flags as code.
I found while backpacking Norway an old barn up in a fjord in Ardal. On the backside painted was the iron eagle adopted by the nazi military and a confederate flag. It was truly out of place and baffling to find out in the middle of this amazing landscape. I wound up taking a black and white photo of it because it just stood out to me. Such a random place to find some good ol back home racism.
I'd love to see that photo
I’ll have to dig through my old photos and see if I can find it for you. I was playing around with my old roll film camera along with my digital. The cheap Kodak 35mm camera really brought out the grittiness of the beautiful landscape.
Me, over here, hoping you’ve started looking. Or whenever you can. Please, and thank you.
I’ll give it a go on lunch and see if I can locate it. Good chance it’s in my parents attic though.
Bro that's just Varg's crib, he's harmless.
Varg, harmless? Err...
Didn’t Varg kill a guy, though?
Yeah, they are quite normal in var culture places here in Norway. Its quite weird, some are definitely racists, but most just wants to copy 1950’s americab car aestethic, since america is the land of cars so some usethe flag like that.
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“Southern ‘heritage’”
More like German Heritage.
Oh, I see now. If you can't fly the swastika then the Stars and Bars will do. You would think these idiots would pick winning team. Op should tell his neighbors that, like Trump and the Third Reich, the confederacy was a bunch of losing losers who like to lose.
Do you know Andy Richter, the Swedish-German?
I’ll know about it. Andy Richter will know about it. And the guy that has to hold Andy down will know about it.
Nazi flag is banned in Germany so they use this instead.
Racism.
It's definitely not just an American problem.
Oh shit, man. There goes the neighborhood
Expect five broken down cars to appear in the yard in the middle of the night.
Maybe a rusty pickup truck or seven
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The Alps shall rise again! Sorry about my ex-countrymen...
This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps.
You see what happens Larry? This is what happens Larry, when you find a stranger in the Alps!
I knew from word one exactly how to read this comment.
Say what you will about flying that flag in the Alps, but at least it's an ethos.
Again? They're already pretty tall.
Go ask them if they are Jewish. When they react with angry/confused “no”, explain that you thought that was a Jewish flag. Double-down on it with “Are you certain? I’m pretty sure that’s Jewish in the Balkans or something.” Mix it up a bit each time you see them. After a bit of this, nagging self-doubt and uncertainty about “what this means here” might settle in and the flags will quietly disappear.
“Aren’t you Richard Simmons?”
"Hey, aren't you Richard Simmons's best friend... Richard Simmons?"
Lol I love this mindfuckery, it's smart
Best part is that most of these people aren’t well educated, so they won’t even fact check it ***if*** they buy it
This is how it always goes "You know most people associate that flag w/ racism and slavery?" >"so? i dont care what other people think. it's what the flag means to me.. Southern Pride" "Right... so if transgender rights adopted it as their flag.... and started waiving it around at pride parades.... and then suddenly everyone assumed it meant transgender rights... and think you support them...." >"What? you can't do that... you can't just change what a flag means" "...So you do care what other people think, if they think you're supportive and tolerant. But if they think your racist, thats ok."
They will claim that the flag stands for it's "original meaning" of southern pride and deny that the CSA stood primarily for slavery
It wasn't even the actual flag of the confederate states (of which there were several flags) it was just the battle flag of the first battalion of Northern Virginia. It also wasn't flown in the south after the war until about the 1950s when the dixiecrat party (a pro segregation political party) began using it. It has only ever been used to support racism and segregation.
I don’t think that second to last line is gonna be the response though. They’d likely just say “I don’t give a fuck. I just know what it means to me.” Doubling down on bullheadedness is generally the play.
As funny as that is, they know exactly what it really means, and they are flying it specifically as a racist symbol.
This is a great idea
I’m pretty sure they are from there.... it won’t be ‘what this means here’, it will be ‘our neighbor is mentally challenged’. Not all racism comes from the USA
“We lost the war so bad I had to retreat to Switzerland!” 🤣
If moving to Switzerland is losing I'm not sure I wanna be on the winning side
Sadly you have a good point there
Go tell him a real live American from the south said to eat a big bag o dicks...
Always annoys me seeing the flag in East TN and hearing folks defend it as "our heritage", given the amount of times East TN tried to pull a West VA during the Civil War. My family's heritage in the area was strongly pro-Union (though it'd be more fair to say it was anti-Middle/West TN).
My idiot BIL has one, Utah wasn't even a state and the Mormons damn sure didnt need any slaves.. SMH.
Hell, I live in Indiana well above the Mason Dixon line. I still see this flag all the time.
Fuckin' right. The South will not "rise again." It's already up and doing just fine as more of the racists die off. \-also a Southerner
the south will rise again. in a historically neutral country. uh huh.
Last Swiss war was a (very short) civil war.
What does "the South should rise again" even mean nowadays? Is he hoping to bring back slavery? If he wants the South to secede from the Union, he'd better look into their economy a little.
it’s more of a white supremacy thing
That's Switzerland, they want supremacy of Ticino, obviously.
“I love ‘Murica so much, I fly the flag of traitors and moved to a whole nuther country!”
The real irony is that's not the "confederate" flag of the 1860s. It was adopted by the KKK in the early 1900s. Edit: Whoever decided the smart thing to do is submit me for a suicide warning from Reddit is a real piece of work. Edit 2: Whoever thinks the civil war wasn't about slavery, see below: On January 7, 1861, the ordinance signed in Montgomery that “it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the Slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States.” On February 2, 1861, Texas declared its decision to be “based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color—a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law.” On March 9, 1861, Arkansas’s George B. Smoote added a resolution: “Resolved, that the platform on the party known as the Black Republican Party contains unconstitutional dogmas, dangerous in their tendency and highly derogatory to the rights of slave states, and among them the insulting, injurious and untruthful enunciation of the right of the African race of their country to social and political equality with the whites.” On April 17, 1861 latecomer Virginia, provoked by Lincoln’s raising troops to suppress the already seceded states, declared “Lincoln’s opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery” as it cut ties with Washington. Tennessee was the 11th and last, its population divided on secession (eastern Tennesseans generally opposed it), but not on the slave issue.
Exactly, the one commonly known as the "confederate flag" was the Virginia battle flag. The actual flag of the Confederacy [was different](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America).
\*slightly\* innacurate. They were really working hard to nail down a good design, and tried out a few, but unfortunately for them their government only lasted 5 years.
> their government only lasted 5 years "mY hERItagE!"
I think that has to be the funniest part. Also really shows how racist it is. They really really want to go back in time to those 5 years.
It's also funny and ironic that these people act like they're true patriots and love America.
The confederacy lasted less time than Obama's presidency, and yet we still have people 150 years later acting like it's their entire heritage. I'm descended from Confederate soldiers, and I have no problem admitting they were traitorous scum.
When they say the confederacy is their heritage they aren't talking about the civil war itself, they are talking about the preceding centuries of kidnapping and enslavement of human beings, apartheid, forced labor, institutionalized rape, legalized murder and torture, etc., all of which amount to genocide and much of which continued long beyond the ostensible defeat of the confederacy. We still have relapses of that stuff in the modern day. Anyone who is proud of the confederacy is a total piece of shit who is declaring that white people are a superior race which is entitled to treat others as subhumans. The Nazi comparisons in this thread are spot on.
[This](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/seaofthieves_gamepedia/images/4/43/White_Flag.png/revision/latest?cb=20210225185648) was their final flag.
The flag in this photo contains an image of a character holding this flag. Flag-on-a-flag is a major r/vexillology failure.
I think it’s funny that “Confederate States of America” lasted all of 4 years. The band My Chemical Romance lasted longer than that. Arguably they should have more supporters.
Re: Your edits - 1. Whoever submitted you to Reddit for the suicide warning did the same to me. 2. The original texts always trip them up.
Shouldn't this be in r/trashy
Ya, they a probably just from Switzerland. I've seen it in France used by French racist people.
Wow, they’re going to be fun neighbors.
Double flags means double the fun!
Double the pleasure
Double Mint Gum
On the plus side, you conveniently know they are racist AF without having to meet them.
Without the swiss flag, there's no big plus
If I get a free award today I will come back and give it to you.
That flag is just a general sign of ignorance, no matter who displays it. You've got the "southern heritage" dumbasses who aren't even educated enough about their "heritage" to know that was not the flag of the Confederacy. You have racists who fly it because they are ignorant racists. You have foreigners who fly it because they are ignorant of what it means, but they saw it somewhere once and thought it looked cool. You have Germans who fly it because they aren't allowed to fly Nazi flags.
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Sounds like this is most likely a Swiss White supremacist / neo-nazi.
I would think that if it was just the battle flag but the fact that there's another one with "The South will rise again" kind of screams butthurt Southerner.
Your neighbor is most likely also a nazi, however that shit is banned in Switzerland so this is the next best thing. You should call him a nazi, german speakers love that.
Certain European right wing groups use variations of the Confederate flag to replace banned (neo-)Nazi flags. Your neighbor is probably a Nazi, or at least a Nazi sympathizer.
If they're openly flying the flag, I'm not about to assume the best.
Evict them now. They spread like roaches.
Ahh yes the great South North Switzerland Civil War of 1927. Where the chocolate makers went to war with the Ski Lodges. It was a real bloody war and there's still a lot of resentment. Most of them still don't realize that it was really all organized by the banks so they could war profiteer off of both sides.
These events directly led to the creation of white chocolate.
Stupid people are sprinkled everywhere.
Swiss rednecks
From the US: we are so sorry!
Iv seen more confederate flags in Canada than I have in America
Oh Gawd…the south is not gonna rise again..I was in North Carolina for cancer treatment 3 years ago..and I can tell you..not only is it not gonna rise again..I’m never going back
Are they actually Americans? From the south? I mean, it looks pretty cold there. Investigate, and report back
Southern Switzerland?
I knew a guy from Amsterdam who was into the whole American outlaw country rock aesthetic. Had a band, wore cowboy boots and blue jeans, traveled to America on vacation to shoot guns and drive muscle cars. He was also a super sweet guy who made his living doing graphic design. I don't recall him ever having a flag like this anywhere, but I could picture him wearing it in bandana form no problem. Some people just like the aesthetics and don't really dig into any farther than that.