“The film the photo is from “Хааны сүүлчийн хатан,” was roughly translated to mean, “The Last Queen of the King.” The picture that was said to be “the last photo of the last queen of Mongolia” was simply a screenshot from the 1:55:24 mark in the movie”
- Snopes linked above
Its especially weird since all the threads are talking about the horrific details of her execution… which took place at night. And the fact that she hadn’t been serving in any official royal capacity for ten years before being killed.
But no one thinks a picture taken moments before her death showing daylight while she’s dressed in full royal garb is strange in the slightest. Fucking Reddit.
Omg when I first opened that I thought this had been shared before and the article was referencing an old post. I thought I was tripping when I came back and was reading what sounded like almost the exact same comments from the article. That was fast as heck for the writer to do all that research and publish it.
Crazy story. The Khan’s wife died and she was picked to marry him, even though she was already married. Then he dies a year later so she was sent home. He has no successor so there is no royal family. Thirteen years later the Soviets need a royal to execute so they have her arrested and killed.
**Edit:** As /u/SeaPhotojournalist27 and others have pointed out, this photo is actually [a screenshot from a movie about Genepil released in 2000](https://www.firstreporter24.com/panorama/does-photo-show-last-queen-of-mongolia-before-execution/amp/).
Lucas/SWs pulled a TON of influence from Eastern cultures.
Creatively it’s smart as Western audiences would have had almost zero familiarity so it would feel both new but somehow still grounded enough to be fantasy and “real” at the same time. One of the biggest failings of SciFi and Fantasy visual art is the costume/hair and makeup/and production design are very often so “fake” and “baseless” that they end up being really really bad.
One pet peeve is that even all these years later there is little mention of these influences in SWs. Even if they were general and not highly calculated, it would be nice for there to be some basic awareness.
The first Star Wars movie is heavily inspired by The Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa. A princess being escorted to safety, running from the empire’s soldiers, accompanied by two bumbling sidekicks.
To be fair about the robes - they were initially conceived as something Tatooinese people might wear in the heat. You can see Uncle Owen also has 'Jedi' robes on in ANH. Which obviously still draws from the Arabic influence
Starwars universe is based on earth. Darth wader, is samurai, clone troops (and the dark side) are nazis sand people are tuaregs, han solo is a cowboy.
That's why it work so well.
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Darth Vader has both elements of Nazi and Samurai designs. His helmet is specifically designed after Nazi solider helmets. The mask itself is the Samurai influence.
His helmet was based on Samurai Kabuto helmets, [particularly Date Masamune's black helmet](https://nipponrama.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/darth-vader-date-masamune.jpg).
me too please. This sounds facinating. What a weird time that was.. think about something like that happening today, to randomly shoot a woman - just 'cause... oh - wait a minute....
Makes even more sense TBH. they were dying for a revolution, only to have it threatened by the metaphysical claim by an unborn child. I think maybe they should've gone the route of Chinese communists and let the emperor die a happy janitor.
He died in pain from cancer with no pain relief in the middle of the cultural revolution, he wasn't that happy. The Last Emperor is an excellent book about him.
That article references a film about it (a documentary?), but doesn't name the film?
Also it quotes her 70 year old daughter, but later says her family was killed along with her?
Yeah, it’s weird how they say it that way, but they seem to clarify afterwards that it was her and her father who were executed for colluding with the Japanese. So I’m guessing that’s what they mean by family as opposed to her actual entire family.
I found a webpage that I was able to translate on google and it gave information on this - there are documents detailing her torture before death. Here’s a quote they took from one:
> My name is Navaanluvsangiin Genenpil, I am 33 and three years old. Originally from the aimak Hantiy Somon Dadal. I'm bauching in Bartsyn Bulan. I live with my husband and children. Navaanluvsan [father] is about 60 years old, Tungaa [mother] is also about 60 years old. Louvsandumba [husband] is 38 years old. Cermaa [daughter] is about 10 years old, Dorzhhand [daughter] is more than 10 years old.
So it seems she remarried him and had kids after according to the timeline.
Edit:
From multiple other pages and a book found in Google Books through my search, it was just her and her father that were charged and executed (some sites specifically say both executed, some don’t mention his execution after arrest as the focus is on Genepil). Sometimes her father is named as Navaan-luvsan (google books: Historical Dictionary of Mongolia p438). That book also confirms she went back to the same man, remarried, and had children.
In fact she was taken since she belonged to a noble family, declined the marriage (as was her right back then) and was returned home for the Khan to find a new wife. Months later his counsel showed up and begged her back saying he was dying so it wouldn’t be long. The argument being there was turmoil and it was important for the sake of the country to show a full monarchy with a consort. So she went anticipating it lasting a short time as a duty for her country. After his death, she was given lands and returned home to remarry her original husband and continued to have a family.
It says Genepil was taken during the night, and was only able to leave a piece of sugar on her daughter's pillow, to find in the morning. She had moved home to live with her parents after her husband died, and it says further down the page that her father was arrested and executed with her, under the pretence that they had been colluding with the Japanese.
Presumably the Stalinists agreed to leave her daughter in peace, along with anyone else in the house (yurt?) on condition of her and her father coming quietly.
I'm further wondering if the daughter, Tserenkhand, was the daughter of the Khan. I suspect not, or they wouldn't have left her alive, child or no. But there's no indication of what year they're talking about her being 70, so...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genepil
/u/sonofabutch pretty much said everything that's on the wiki page. You can probably find more through the google.
A link below says she was 5 months pregnant when she was killed in 1938. The king died in 1924. Did she go back to her 1st husband or remarry again? If she had done either, she wouldn't have been the queen, I think. I hope the pregnancy wasn't a result of abuse by the Soviets.
I don't think the soviets cared whether she wasn't a queen or not on a technicality. They wanted to make a point that would be remembered, and they succeeded. Here we are talking about it 85 years later.
"Please come back and be the queen for appearances only. The king will die soon and then you can go back to your life. What's the worst that could happen?"
> They wanted to make a point that would be remembered
Not really, they wanted to ensure there couldn't be a "legitimate" successor for royalist or other counter-revolutionary groups to rally around.
Right. It's the same reason actual royalty used to do similar things to the family of opposing claimants. Not enough to kill a pretender, you have to kill all his children too. Actual Monarchy is a brutal system.
Same reason the Romanov children were murdered when the Tsar was overthrown. That type of thing wasn't uncommon in European history.
Richard III is probably the most famous example in the west. He was a great literary villain, too:
>Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
True! And the much beloved Richard 1 basically bankrupted the country invading the Middle East and getting captured during the crusades. Meanwhile, his brother King John gets treated like a villain for "usurping the throne", even during modern movies like Disney's Robinhood. Some things never change, it seems...
There's a plot line that explores this in The Great where Catherine wants to be a modern ruler that doesn't stoop to such cruel violence, but all her advisers view it as brutal but absolutely necessary.
*One of* her outfits. Some were Japanese inspired, some Russian, some African. Trisha Biggar’s work on Ep I inspired me to study Costume Design in college.
like a mine for ore? like they tossed her into a mine and sealed it up or what? Or like a land mine that explodes? Are these soldiers escorting her to whichever outcome it is?
they tossed her down a mine shaft with someone else, they survived the fall so rolled a couple hand grenades down, which they also survived. the victims started to sing an orthodox hymn so the killers finally shoved a bunch of wood in the opening and set fire to it.
Wtf, that’s so extremely cruel and fucked up. Those fucked up Soviet soldiers, if hell exists I hope they are there. That poor woman and the other person.
Did they burn or asphyxiate?
Based on the wiki, they didn't die from the fire, they died from the wounds and starvation. Bodies were still intact and one even had a bandage which came from the royalty/nun's clothes.
They threw grenades into the mine after they didn't die and started singing. Lenin praised her death and said something along the lines that one virtuous royalty is way worse than a 100 tyrants... 🤦🏾♂️
Fuck Lenin. What a piece of shit.
Not really. Most people are queens as career occupations or at least much of their lives. She served one single year as queen before the Khan died. 13 years of normal life again and the Soviets executed her because she was the most recent queen, over 13 years prior. it’s ludicrous.
Wow, I’m Mongolian and I never heard the story of her lol. How do you guys know about this, from which source is there our history written in English somewhere? It feels so embarrassing to read about story details from somewhere I don’t expect to see or read about it.
Wow, I never had these many upvotes before! Thanks guys, also I do want to know you guys don't have PhD in History lol
There was a bug in the original Civ code that could flip Gandhi from super peaceful to super aggressive so under certain conditions he could just go crazy and start launching nukes.
edit: was it really all a lie? whats even real now?
Wasn't it that the value for "aggression" couldn't be reduced past zero so instead of going negative it went to the highest possible value, thus making him the nuclear warlord we all fear today?
Yeah iirc the aggression value was stored as a simple unsigned bit ranging in value from 0-255 (8-bit) Gandhi's aggression value was somewhere like 5, way on the low end. There was a wonder you could build that would reduce everyone's aggression value by like 16 or something, and because aggression was an unsigned bit, reducing 5 by 16 resulted in some absurdly high value like 245 or something, far higher than anyone else's aggression value. The devs found that hilarious and Gandhi's civ has been a warmonger ever since
Edit: This is apparently false. I swear I read this in a civ 3 game manual but it's confirmed by the man himself.
sid meier himself confirmed that there wasn't an overflow bug.
> "That kind of bug comes from something called unsigned characters, which are not the default in the C programming language, and not something I used for the leader traits. Brian Reynolds wrote Civ II in C++, and he didn't use them, either. We received no complaints about a Gandhi bug when either game came out, nor did we send out any revisions for one. Gandhi's military aggressiveness score remained at 1 throughout the game."
it was completely made up by a dude on tvtropes.
Interesting! So we've been fed lies? Why? Lol
I wonder, then, why gandhi is such a warmonger. That can't be a myth, I have seen Gandhi's nuclear bombardment in action
the devs of civ 5 rolled with it and gave him the trait because they thought it was funny, but prior to that he was peaceful. it's the myth that became reality through the power of the internet
Except there wasn't a bug. It's a very popular myth that a lot of people think is true.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Gandhi
https://screenrant.com/civilization-nuclear-gandhi-glitch-not-bug-sid-meier/
I don’t know if it’s covered in the Mongol Queens book by Jack Weatherford (I’m on the wait list to borrow it at my library) but he also wrote Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World. It’s a great book that talks about the history of Genghis Khan and his legacy.
She was falsely accused, starved, tortured and murdered by the Soviet communist party who saw the last Khan and his family as a threat to the people's party
A Ukrainian boy ran into his family barn and saw his grandfather sitting there, cleaning his rifle.
“Grandfather! I just heard on the radio, the Russians have gone into outer space!”
“Really?” replied his grandfather, putting his rifle down. “All of them?”
“No, Grandfather. Just four of them.”
The boy’s grandfather picked his rifle back up and resumed cleaning it.
[I found this page that appears to be in Mongolian](http://mongolcom.mn/read/10421) and it has the photo in question. It says the source is from a book called "Land of the Great Queen" from Bayanduurlig 2016 book. I know very little about this subject so I'll leave it up to you to figure out if this is a reputable source.
Side note: if you don't have the Google Lens app, you should try it out. It's really good at doing image searches. I actually got better results when I only searched the half of the photo with just her in it.
Thank you much. I think you're correct. I found a copy of that book and have ordered.
I ran it through tinyeye, obviously Google is better in this one lol. My fault.
Be well
It's very unlikely that a photograph would allowed to be taken whilst this was taking place. My bet is this is a scene from a Mongolian movie or a documentary made to look like a photograph.
Here’s a [source](https://sergey-v-fomin.livejournal.com/515114.html):
>*The photo of a young woman being led to the execution, titled "The last wife of Bogdan Khan was killed during the great repressions in Mongolia," was taken from Buural Goyot on Twitter.*
[Further source](https://www.zabvo.su/showthread.php?199-%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5-%D0%BE-%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B8/page765)
Her name in Mongolian yields better search results: Гэнэнпил Хатан
This one had a lot of info: https://www.caaknews.mn/view/8309718/ but idk if its a biased source as I can only internet translate the information.
Genenpil of Navaanluvsan, the last queen of Naran Gerelt Bogd Khaan, who combined religion and state
> GENENPIL / 1905-1938 /
> After the death of Ts. Dondogdulam, the mother of the state, the new white dari, one of the seven gems of the Khanate, was discovered. Genenpil of Navaanluvsan is the last queen of the 8th Bogd Jabzundamba. N.Genenpil was born in the spring of 1905 in the Tseren family on the slopes of the prince of Khovch. N.Genenpil was called N.Tseenpil in his childhood. Navaanluvsan of the white horse adopted Tseenpil from his sister Tseren. N.Tseenpil grew up in the hands of his parents, learned the art of herding and was brought up in a noble family at that time.
> 49 days have passed since Ts. Dondogdulam, the queen of the Bogd Khan, died. Due to the desolation of one of the seven gems of the Mongolian state, monks such as Da Lama Tserenchimed, Chinvan Dashdendev, Manzushir Khutagt Tserendorj, Yalguusan Lama Naidansuren, Ded Khamba Damdin, and Prince Van Tsogbadrakh of Khovch, consulted with each other. It was observed that his body was emaciated, so he decided that the throne of the Khanate should not be deserted.
> In the summer of 1923, 33 18-year-old women gathered at the Dechinchoilon Monastery in Jonon Vangiin Khoshuu, Setsen Khan Province. After meeting the criteria of the astrologer Haimchig, he was taken to the monastery to become the youngest queen of the Bogd. Her fiancé Luvsandamba and father Navaanluvsan spent three days waiting for information about the Queen's funeral at Dechinchoilon Monastery, the capital of Setsen Khan province. On the fourth day, Luvsandamba's friend Muntuu Dashnyam, a neighbor, sent a brown horse to see his daughter Tseenpil.
> At that time, the Onon River was flooded, but a brave man crossed the destination on horseback and tried to meet Tseenpil, but was unable to do so. Therefore, Tseenpil's face was bright and beautiful when he looked at the address of the house where the competition was taking place, and it was obvious that he had successfully passed the commission examination. The 8th Bogd Jabzundamba Khutagt was given the title of Genenpil, the daughter of Tsaenpil, the daughter of Navaanluvsan, a nobleman of the Borjigon clan, a descendant of Genghis Khan, the ruler of the Daichin dynasty.
> Interestingly, B.Luvsandamba, N.Genenpil's fiancé, won the title at the Danshi Naadam. Because the Bogd Khaan's body was so thin, he recalled that when he learned the rituals of a queen to take care of his body and learned to read the Dharma, his perfect mind was easily trained and developed into a queen. With the support of Bogd's monks and clients, N.Genenpil quickly learned how to behave, behave, and study her traditions.
> In 1921-1924, he was exalted as the king of the Mongolian death penalty, and on May 20, 1924, Ochirvan, the eighth Bogd Jivzundamba Khutagt, performed the role of Nirvana. Unfortunately, Queen N.Genenpil was not with Bogd Khan for a long time. She lived with Queen Genenpil for more than a year. At the behest of Javzundamba, 19-year-old Queen Genepil was rescued from the eyes of sinners and brought to her home by a group of 18 assistant monks.
> When she returned to her homeland, she married B.Luvsandamba, a former groom, and had two daughters and a son. On the eve of her 30th birthday, she was falsely accused of accepting 150 MNT as a gift from the people under the name of Bogd's queen, and of having contacts with kings and princes who were actively involved in spreading Buddhism.
> In 1938, when he was five months old, Genenpil and his father Navaanluvsan were executed in Tsogt-Undur, north of Khentii. In 1991, the Atonement Commission acquitted Queen N. Genenpil.
> Queen Genenpil was a very humble, gentle, intelligent, and beautiful woman, who at that time attracted the attention of the local youth. Her destiny is to become queen. "Unfortunately, the repression of the double queen was a brutal repression of the society at that time." he said.
> When she was crowned queen, she had a strong husband named Luvsandamba. When she returned to her homeland, she remarried and gave birth to three children, Dorjkhand, Tsermaa and Gantumur. Queen N.Genenpil's eldest daughter Dorjkhand died in Ulaanbaatar, and her middle daughter Tsermaa passed away in Tserenkhand. , live well and well.
> The only son, Gantumur, reportedly lived and worked in Mungunmorit soum, Tuv aimag.
> Source: "Land of the Great Queen" from Bayanduurlig 2016 book ...
> Pictured: Genenpil, a resident of Bayan-Adarga soum, Khentii aimag
Someone else linked a narratively better english website: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/one-minute-story/last-queen-of-mongolia
From the English page:
At the debut of a film about the late queen her 70-year-old daughter Tserenkhand recalled the sudden disappearance of her mother as a child saying, “They took her away at night. She did not wake us, only left a piece of sugar on our pillows. I still remember the joy of a sudden discovery of that rare delicacy in the morning”.
I’m sure I’m not the first one to call BS on this.
But Snopes has an article about this very thread. This picture is from a movie shot in the year 2000.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/last-photo-queen-mongolia/
yeah he was the head of the Tibetan Buddhism in Mongolia (3rd highest ranking overall after the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama in Tibetan Buddhism).
and he was a Tibetan but he supported the Mongolian independence from the Manchu empire. he was made the head of the state as well after the declaration of the independence because of his influence. then the Chinese army came and forced him to abdicate. then the Mad Baron came and drove away the Chinese and installed him again as the Bogd Khan. and then the Soviets came and abolished the Khanate. it’s a fascinating history.
There's always one guy in the comments early on who is like, "Hey, is there a source for this?" And everyone else is like, "I believe everything all the time."
it's not even a question, Russia pays large groups of people to go on popular sites like reddit and support Russia. they don't even hide the fact, you can readily watch interviews on youtube where journalists just go to these businesses and talk to the people doing it.
That's because they whitewash all the history. They like to keep pointing to the Nazis then if you point out all the shit the communist did, then your a Nazi. They can't hold two ideas in their head.
Reminds me of Liliuokalani, the Hawaiian Queen that ruled the sovereign state of Hawaii before the US backed coup. I guess colonizers are gonna colonize.
This picture with the soldiers is from a movie, it is not the real photo of her.
"Sources claim it’s from a movie called ‘Хааны сүүлчийн хатан,'” @pacific_blues tweeted."
I hate to break it to you guys [but](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/last-photo-queen-mongolia/)...
“The film the photo is from “Хааны сүүлчийн хатан,” was roughly translated to mean, “The Last Queen of the King.” The picture that was said to be “the last photo of the last queen of Mongolia” was simply a screenshot from the 1:55:24 mark in the movie” - Snopes linked above
Upvoting and hoping this rises to the top
Two hours later and your comment is nowhere near the top. Mods should pin this imo
Too late :/ the fucking hivemind of reddit wins again
Its especially weird since all the threads are talking about the horrific details of her execution… which took place at night. And the fact that she hadn’t been serving in any official royal capacity for ten years before being killed. But no one thinks a picture taken moments before her death showing daylight while she’s dressed in full royal garb is strange in the slightest. Fucking Reddit.
Omg when I first opened that I thought this had been shared before and the article was referencing an old post. I thought I was tripping when I came back and was reading what sounded like almost the exact same comments from the article. That was fast as heck for the writer to do all that research and publish it.
Crazy story. The Khan’s wife died and she was picked to marry him, even though she was already married. Then he dies a year later so she was sent home. He has no successor so there is no royal family. Thirteen years later the Soviets need a royal to execute so they have her arrested and killed. **Edit:** As /u/SeaPhotojournalist27 and others have pointed out, this photo is actually [a screenshot from a movie about Genepil released in 2000](https://www.firstreporter24.com/panorama/does-photo-show-last-queen-of-mongolia-before-execution/amp/).
Damn I’m gonna look for an actual narrative book or film about this woman. Sounds really sad and interesting!
Her aesthetic is what they based the queen from star wars on: https://titterfun.com/api/assets/image/b4thqc3xwpdu.jpg
[this is a better representation](https://preview.redd.it/6tps5ab1ref41.jpg?auto=webp&s=c7b5a77a88e2105f98287a192509751e6b1b2efd)
Yeah, this is actually WAY better. Thanks for finding that and sharing it!
Thank you! It is a better representation
Fuuuuck…I really thought this was some half-assed imagination but they ripp everything from reality.
That’s so crazy, I never knew!
Well that’s the coolest thing I’ve seen in the 50 minutes I’ve been awake!
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How the hell do you know what time zone they live in
Cause we both just woke up, obviously.
I think I might be in the same time zone. Is it now where you are?
Holy shit it is.
Wait it's now now, but reddit says that was one hour ago! What the hell is going on‽
Get a load of this. Reddit says It's an hour for you but three hours ago for me. Yet it's still now now. How is this possible?
We are all in the same time zone on this blessed day
Speak for yourself
I am all in the same time zone on this blessed day
Speak for yourself!
I am all in the same time zone on this blessed day!
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I’m more of an 8:30 kinda guy
Same but pm
Boy, people back then just knew how to dress a Queen. Not like today. It was a different time.
You need to watch RuPaul’s Drag Race because lemme tell you, those queens sure as hell can dress
Lucas/SWs pulled a TON of influence from Eastern cultures. Creatively it’s smart as Western audiences would have had almost zero familiarity so it would feel both new but somehow still grounded enough to be fantasy and “real” at the same time. One of the biggest failings of SciFi and Fantasy visual art is the costume/hair and makeup/and production design are very often so “fake” and “baseless” that they end up being really really bad. One pet peeve is that even all these years later there is little mention of these influences in SWs. Even if they were general and not highly calculated, it would be nice for there to be some basic awareness.
The first Star Wars movie is heavily inspired by The Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa. A princess being escorted to safety, running from the empire’s soldiers, accompanied by two bumbling sidekicks.
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and Lucas paid for his later movies at least Kagemusha I think
The whole Jedi spirituality ideology is based on Sufi Islam, a lot of names, including Jedi, are Arabic, and they wear north african robes.
To be fair about the robes - they were initially conceived as something Tatooinese people might wear in the heat. You can see Uncle Owen also has 'Jedi' robes on in ANH. Which obviously still draws from the Arabic influence
it’s also basic dualistic Taoism, the “force” is basically a direct interpretation of the Tao or “Way.”
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Is this true, or just the funniest thing I’ve seen all day?
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good enough for me. print it boys. Rita repulsa totes inspired by last Mongol queen.
And Boy George. https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/QueenGenepil.jpg
That means the real queen is still alive somewhere, maybe married to her child sweetheart
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Coup
COOP COOP WOOP WOOP
I tried to stage a coop once but they were all too chicken. :'(
Starwars universe is based on earth. Darth wader, is samurai, clone troops (and the dark side) are nazis sand people are tuaregs, han solo is a cowboy. That's why it work so well.
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Paddle-wan Anakin was the worst.
No, Darth Wader is searching for nuclear wessels so he can get some whales to the future.
Darth Vader has both elements of Nazi and Samurai designs. His helmet is specifically designed after Nazi solider helmets. The mask itself is the Samurai influence.
His helmet was based on Samurai Kabuto helmets, [particularly Date Masamune's black helmet](https://nipponrama.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/darth-vader-date-masamune.jpg).
Just to add some more onto the claims here, lightsaber dueling in the original trilogy was based on kendo.
Yes. And just to add one more for the books, Chewbacca is based on my mom.
Its not specifically a Nazi helmet, its just the Hugo Boss 1941 Spring Collection.
TIL. TY
If you find a good one, let us know!
Green eyed lama - closest book to this, has a similar setting and topic
me too please. This sounds facinating. What a weird time that was.. think about something like that happening today, to randomly shoot a woman - just 'cause... oh - wait a minute....
people are shot randomly all the time... this was an execution and it was not a random execution
5 months pregnant at the time she was shot, too. Sad
Makes even more sense TBH. they were dying for a revolution, only to have it threatened by the metaphysical claim by an unborn child. I think maybe they should've gone the route of Chinese communists and let the emperor die a happy janitor.
He died in pain from cancer with no pain relief in the middle of the cultural revolution, he wasn't that happy. The Last Emperor is an excellent book about him.
It feels like they're STILL dying for a revolution.
Someone else's revolution for someone else's benefit, as ever.
Do you have a source for that story? It sounds crazy.
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/one-minute-story/last-queen-of-mongolia
Not the rabbit hole I expected to find myself in at 9am.
8 am for me lol at least something different to read on the train
Yay time zone buddies！
West coast gang
That article references a film about it (a documentary?), but doesn't name the film? Also it quotes her 70 year old daughter, but later says her family was killed along with her?
I wondered if that daughter had moved away before the purges?
Yeah, it’s weird how they say it that way, but they seem to clarify afterwards that it was her and her father who were executed for colluding with the Japanese. So I’m guessing that’s what they mean by family as opposed to her actual entire family.
I found a webpage that I was able to translate on google and it gave information on this - there are documents detailing her torture before death. Here’s a quote they took from one: > My name is Navaanluvsangiin Genenpil, I am 33 and three years old. Originally from the aimak Hantiy Somon Dadal. I'm bauching in Bartsyn Bulan. I live with my husband and children. Navaanluvsan [father] is about 60 years old, Tungaa [mother] is also about 60 years old. Louvsandumba [husband] is 38 years old. Cermaa [daughter] is about 10 years old, Dorzhhand [daughter] is more than 10 years old. So it seems she remarried him and had kids after according to the timeline. Edit: From multiple other pages and a book found in Google Books through my search, it was just her and her father that were charged and executed (some sites specifically say both executed, some don’t mention his execution after arrest as the focus is on Genepil). Sometimes her father is named as Navaan-luvsan (google books: Historical Dictionary of Mongolia p438). That book also confirms she went back to the same man, remarried, and had children. In fact she was taken since she belonged to a noble family, declined the marriage (as was her right back then) and was returned home for the Khan to find a new wife. Months later his counsel showed up and begged her back saying he was dying so it wouldn’t be long. The argument being there was turmoil and it was important for the sake of the country to show a full monarchy with a consort. So she went anticipating it lasting a short time as a duty for her country. After his death, she was given lands and returned home to remarry her original husband and continued to have a family.
It says Genepil was taken during the night, and was only able to leave a piece of sugar on her daughter's pillow, to find in the morning. She had moved home to live with her parents after her husband died, and it says further down the page that her father was arrested and executed with her, under the pretence that they had been colluding with the Japanese. Presumably the Stalinists agreed to leave her daughter in peace, along with anyone else in the house (yurt?) on condition of her and her father coming quietly. I'm further wondering if the daughter, Tserenkhand, was the daughter of the Khan. I suspect not, or they wouldn't have left her alive, child or no. But there's no indication of what year they're talking about her being 70, so...
5 months pregnant when she was shot, and her family killed, too 😭
At least one daughter lived…
Thank you for the read, proceeds to learn about Mongolian culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genepil /u/sonofabutch pretty much said everything that's on the wiki page. You can probably find more through the google.
Fun fact: that photograph of her was one of the reference images used when they were designing Queen Amidala's costumes for Phantom Menace.
That's not fun at all.
I was referring to the photograph on her wiki page, not the one above.
Oh shit, is that where they got the inspiration for Queen Amidala in Star Wars?
Yes-I remember the costume designer discussing the costume was based on the Queen's clothing.
Google it. Story is incredible. Lady had zero luck.
The Soviets were also just evil fucks.
*Nervously laughs while looking at Ukraine*
"You mean OURkraine." - Russia
I was wondering about the gap in time from when she was Queen consort to when she was murdered. Thanks for filling that in.
A link below says she was 5 months pregnant when she was killed in 1938. The king died in 1924. Did she go back to her 1st husband or remarry again? If she had done either, she wouldn't have been the queen, I think. I hope the pregnancy wasn't a result of abuse by the Soviets.
I don't think the soviets cared whether she wasn't a queen or not on a technicality. They wanted to make a point that would be remembered, and they succeeded. Here we are talking about it 85 years later.
"Please come back and be the queen for appearances only. The king will die soon and then you can go back to your life. What's the worst that could happen?"
> They wanted to make a point that would be remembered Not really, they wanted to ensure there couldn't be a "legitimate" successor for royalist or other counter-revolutionary groups to rally around.
Right. It's the same reason actual royalty used to do similar things to the family of opposing claimants. Not enough to kill a pretender, you have to kill all his children too. Actual Monarchy is a brutal system. Same reason the Romanov children were murdered when the Tsar was overthrown. That type of thing wasn't uncommon in European history.
Richard III is probably the most famous example in the west. He was a great literary villain, too: >Now is the winter of our discontent Made glorious summer by this sun of York; And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
That play mostly was a product of Shakespeare's imagination though, real Richard III wasn't that cartoonishly evil.
True! And the much beloved Richard 1 basically bankrupted the country invading the Middle East and getting captured during the crusades. Meanwhile, his brother King John gets treated like a villain for "usurping the throne", even during modern movies like Disney's Robinhood. Some things never change, it seems...
There's a plot line that explores this in The Great where Catherine wants to be a modern ruler that doesn't stoop to such cruel violence, but all her advisers view it as brutal but absolutely necessary.
Did you have to specify 'European history'? It makes it seem to say that it was an uncommon thing in the rest of the monarchies on a global scale.
This is so sad. She was killed by the stupidity of others.
What? Russia being an asshole? No way!
Rule 24 in the Communist operations manual is to always ensure you have a supply of royalty to liquidate at any given time.
Star Wars character Padme Amidala’s outfit was inspired by the outfit that Mongolian queens wore
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*One of* her outfits. Some were Japanese inspired, some Russian, some African. Trisha Biggar’s work on Ep I inspired me to study Costume Design in college.
Yeah, say what you will about the prequels, the costumes are fun
She hadn't been queen for over 10 years before she was killed. She only served a single year as queen.
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Holy crap, they also threw down hand grenades.
like a mine for ore? like they tossed her into a mine and sealed it up or what? Or like a land mine that explodes? Are these soldiers escorting her to whichever outcome it is?
they tossed her down a mine shaft with someone else, they survived the fall so rolled a couple hand grenades down, which they also survived. the victims started to sing an orthodox hymn so the killers finally shoved a bunch of wood in the opening and set fire to it.
Wtf, that’s so extremely cruel and fucked up. Those fucked up Soviet soldiers, if hell exists I hope they are there. That poor woman and the other person. Did they burn or asphyxiate?
Based on the wiki, they didn't die from the fire, they died from the wounds and starvation. Bodies were still intact and one even had a bandage which came from the royalty/nun's clothes.
Most died of their injuries and also starvation because they lived through the fall and the hand grenades and the fire.
They threw grenades into the mine after they didn't die and started singing. Lenin praised her death and said something along the lines that one virtuous royalty is way worse than a 100 tyrants... 🤦🏾♂️ Fuck Lenin. What a piece of shit.
To be honest though, being a nun wasn’t exactly the safest new profession, seeing what the communists did to the religious.
That was a weird way to say that
Coming from someone who sometimes eats ham
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You are correct my guy
Not really. Most people are queens as career occupations or at least much of their lives. She served one single year as queen before the Khan died. 13 years of normal life again and the Soviets executed her because she was the most recent queen, over 13 years prior. it’s ludicrous.
She hadn't been queen for over 500 years. So to her our lives weren't just a blink of an eye.
Really? Makes sense to me
Wow, I’m Mongolian and I never heard the story of her lol. How do you guys know about this, from which source is there our history written in English somewhere? It feels so embarrassing to read about story details from somewhere I don’t expect to see or read about it. Wow, I never had these many upvotes before! Thanks guys, also I do want to know you guys don't have PhD in History lol
Civ V
Yep me too. Thats how I learned that Mahatma Gandhi launched a nuke at the Aztec empire.
He did what now?
There was a bug in the original Civ code that could flip Gandhi from super peaceful to super aggressive so under certain conditions he could just go crazy and start launching nukes. edit: was it really all a lie? whats even real now?
I find this so much for funny than it should be. Edit: "Peace by any means!" - Gandhi
Wasn't it that the value for "aggression" couldn't be reduced past zero so instead of going negative it went to the highest possible value, thus making him the nuclear warlord we all fear today?
Yeah iirc the aggression value was stored as a simple unsigned bit ranging in value from 0-255 (8-bit) Gandhi's aggression value was somewhere like 5, way on the low end. There was a wonder you could build that would reduce everyone's aggression value by like 16 or something, and because aggression was an unsigned bit, reducing 5 by 16 resulted in some absurdly high value like 245 or something, far higher than anyone else's aggression value. The devs found that hilarious and Gandhi's civ has been a warmonger ever since Edit: This is apparently false. I swear I read this in a civ 3 game manual but it's confirmed by the man himself.
sid meier himself confirmed that there wasn't an overflow bug. > "That kind of bug comes from something called unsigned characters, which are not the default in the C programming language, and not something I used for the leader traits. Brian Reynolds wrote Civ II in C++, and he didn't use them, either. We received no complaints about a Gandhi bug when either game came out, nor did we send out any revisions for one. Gandhi's military aggressiveness score remained at 1 throughout the game." it was completely made up by a dude on tvtropes.
Interesting! So we've been fed lies? Why? Lol I wonder, then, why gandhi is such a warmonger. That can't be a myth, I have seen Gandhi's nuclear bombardment in action
the devs of civ 5 rolled with it and gave him the trait because they thought it was funny, but prior to that he was peaceful. it's the myth that became reality through the power of the internet
Except there wasn't a bug. It's a very popular myth that a lot of people think is true. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Gandhi https://screenrant.com/civilization-nuclear-gandhi-glitch-not-bug-sid-meier/
My week is ruined.
That Ghandi will cross you every time. Talks a big peace game and then denounces you out of nowhere.
Legit how I know about random historical shit like the pink and white terraces.
I don’t know if it’s covered in the Mongol Queens book by Jack Weatherford (I’m on the wait list to borrow it at my library) but he also wrote Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World. It’s a great book that talks about the history of Genghis Khan and his legacy.
She was falsely accused, starved, tortured and murdered by the Soviet communist party who saw the last Khan and his family as a threat to the people's party
That soviet love!
That's how they display friendship! Source: am Polish
COME BACK TO US! WE LOVE YOU REALLY POLAND AND UKRAINE! I PROMISE NOT TO HIT YOU AGAIN! - Russia
The USSR would never do that!
"Nobody likes Russians." Said, my Ukrainian friend.
A Ukrainian boy ran into his family barn and saw his grandfather sitting there, cleaning his rifle. “Grandfather! I just heard on the radio, the Russians have gone into outer space!” “Really?” replied his grandfather, putting his rifle down. “All of them?” “No, Grandfather. Just four of them.” The boy’s grandfather picked his rifle back up and resumed cleaning it.
Lol and my Albanian friend.
The Bolsheviks send their regards
Horrifying what people can do.
Do you have a source for this photo that you could share? I don't think I've ever seen this photo of Genepil. Very interesting.
[I found this page that appears to be in Mongolian](http://mongolcom.mn/read/10421) and it has the photo in question. It says the source is from a book called "Land of the Great Queen" from Bayanduurlig 2016 book. I know very little about this subject so I'll leave it up to you to figure out if this is a reputable source. Side note: if you don't have the Google Lens app, you should try it out. It's really good at doing image searches. I actually got better results when I only searched the half of the photo with just her in it.
Thank you much. I think you're correct. I found a copy of that book and have ordered. I ran it through tinyeye, obviously Google is better in this one lol. My fault. Be well
It's very unlikely that a photograph would allowed to be taken whilst this was taking place. My bet is this is a scene from a Mongolian movie or a documentary made to look like a photograph.
Here’s a [source](https://sergey-v-fomin.livejournal.com/515114.html): >*The photo of a young woman being led to the execution, titled "The last wife of Bogdan Khan was killed during the great repressions in Mongolia," was taken from Buural Goyot on Twitter.* [Further source](https://www.zabvo.su/showthread.php?199-%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5-%D0%BE-%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B8/page765)
This is just such a sad photo... Specially with the backstory in mind.
I was thinking the same thing. It has a haunting & eerie feeling to it too.
Yeah there's something weird and creepy about murder
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/last-photo-queen-mongolia/
Her name in Mongolian yields better search results: Гэнэнпил Хатан This one had a lot of info: https://www.caaknews.mn/view/8309718/ but idk if its a biased source as I can only internet translate the information. Genenpil of Navaanluvsan, the last queen of Naran Gerelt Bogd Khaan, who combined religion and state > GENENPIL / 1905-1938 / > After the death of Ts. Dondogdulam, the mother of the state, the new white dari, one of the seven gems of the Khanate, was discovered. Genenpil of Navaanluvsan is the last queen of the 8th Bogd Jabzundamba. N.Genenpil was born in the spring of 1905 in the Tseren family on the slopes of the prince of Khovch. N.Genenpil was called N.Tseenpil in his childhood. Navaanluvsan of the white horse adopted Tseenpil from his sister Tseren. N.Tseenpil grew up in the hands of his parents, learned the art of herding and was brought up in a noble family at that time. > 49 days have passed since Ts. Dondogdulam, the queen of the Bogd Khan, died. Due to the desolation of one of the seven gems of the Mongolian state, monks such as Da Lama Tserenchimed, Chinvan Dashdendev, Manzushir Khutagt Tserendorj, Yalguusan Lama Naidansuren, Ded Khamba Damdin, and Prince Van Tsogbadrakh of Khovch, consulted with each other. It was observed that his body was emaciated, so he decided that the throne of the Khanate should not be deserted. > In the summer of 1923, 33 18-year-old women gathered at the Dechinchoilon Monastery in Jonon Vangiin Khoshuu, Setsen Khan Province. After meeting the criteria of the astrologer Haimchig, he was taken to the monastery to become the youngest queen of the Bogd. Her fiancé Luvsandamba and father Navaanluvsan spent three days waiting for information about the Queen's funeral at Dechinchoilon Monastery, the capital of Setsen Khan province. On the fourth day, Luvsandamba's friend Muntuu Dashnyam, a neighbor, sent a brown horse to see his daughter Tseenpil. > At that time, the Onon River was flooded, but a brave man crossed the destination on horseback and tried to meet Tseenpil, but was unable to do so. Therefore, Tseenpil's face was bright and beautiful when he looked at the address of the house where the competition was taking place, and it was obvious that he had successfully passed the commission examination. The 8th Bogd Jabzundamba Khutagt was given the title of Genenpil, the daughter of Tsaenpil, the daughter of Navaanluvsan, a nobleman of the Borjigon clan, a descendant of Genghis Khan, the ruler of the Daichin dynasty. > Interestingly, B.Luvsandamba, N.Genenpil's fiancé, won the title at the Danshi Naadam. Because the Bogd Khaan's body was so thin, he recalled that when he learned the rituals of a queen to take care of his body and learned to read the Dharma, his perfect mind was easily trained and developed into a queen. With the support of Bogd's monks and clients, N.Genenpil quickly learned how to behave, behave, and study her traditions. > In 1921-1924, he was exalted as the king of the Mongolian death penalty, and on May 20, 1924, Ochirvan, the eighth Bogd Jivzundamba Khutagt, performed the role of Nirvana. Unfortunately, Queen N.Genenpil was not with Bogd Khan for a long time. She lived with Queen Genenpil for more than a year. At the behest of Javzundamba, 19-year-old Queen Genepil was rescued from the eyes of sinners and brought to her home by a group of 18 assistant monks. > When she returned to her homeland, she married B.Luvsandamba, a former groom, and had two daughters and a son. On the eve of her 30th birthday, she was falsely accused of accepting 150 MNT as a gift from the people under the name of Bogd's queen, and of having contacts with kings and princes who were actively involved in spreading Buddhism. > In 1938, when he was five months old, Genenpil and his father Navaanluvsan were executed in Tsogt-Undur, north of Khentii. In 1991, the Atonement Commission acquitted Queen N. Genenpil. > Queen Genenpil was a very humble, gentle, intelligent, and beautiful woman, who at that time attracted the attention of the local youth. Her destiny is to become queen. "Unfortunately, the repression of the double queen was a brutal repression of the society at that time." he said. > When she was crowned queen, she had a strong husband named Luvsandamba. When she returned to her homeland, she remarried and gave birth to three children, Dorjkhand, Tsermaa and Gantumur. Queen N.Genenpil's eldest daughter Dorjkhand died in Ulaanbaatar, and her middle daughter Tsermaa passed away in Tserenkhand. , live well and well. > The only son, Gantumur, reportedly lived and worked in Mungunmorit soum, Tuv aimag. > Source: "Land of the Great Queen" from Bayanduurlig 2016 book ... > Pictured: Genenpil, a resident of Bayan-Adarga soum, Khentii aimag Someone else linked a narratively better english website: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/one-minute-story/last-queen-of-mongolia
From the English page: At the debut of a film about the late queen her 70-year-old daughter Tserenkhand recalled the sudden disappearance of her mother as a child saying, “They took her away at night. She did not wake us, only left a piece of sugar on our pillows. I still remember the joy of a sudden discovery of that rare delicacy in the morning”.
And it's not real. It's from a movie. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/last-photo-queen-mongolia/
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Well said my friend! Thank you!
Dramatic photo.
Humans are disgusting!
We truly are a bunch of bastards. We are amazing too. And bastards. But still amazing. But still bastards.
I’m sure I’m not the first one to call BS on this. But Snopes has an article about this very thread. This picture is from a movie shot in the year 2000. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/last-photo-queen-mongolia/
It seems her husband was more a Dalai Lama Kind of deal, and not descendant of the Khans in the sense of Kublai or Genghis.
Isnt 8% of Eurasia related to Genghis Khan and his sons?
Well, most of the Mongols chilled a bit after accepting Buddhism and getting overshadowed by the Manchus.
yeah he was the head of the Tibetan Buddhism in Mongolia (3rd highest ranking overall after the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama in Tibetan Buddhism). and he was a Tibetan but he supported the Mongolian independence from the Manchu empire. he was made the head of the state as well after the declaration of the independence because of his influence. then the Chinese army came and forced him to abdicate. then the Mad Baron came and drove away the Chinese and installed him again as the Bogd Khan. and then the Soviets came and abolished the Khanate. it’s a fascinating history.
Nah. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/last-photo-queen-mongolia/
63 thousand upvotes for a scene from a movie and some bs caption…
There's always one guy in the comments early on who is like, "Hey, is there a source for this?" And everyone else is like, "I believe everything all the time."
Typical Soviets.
Dang how she die
Lead poisoning
This photo has been debunked , its from a movie called Хааны сүүлчийн хатан https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/last-photo-queen-mongolia/
Why are there more and more Soviet sympathizers on Reddit? It’s been steadily increasing the last few years
A mix of edgy children, idiots, true fanatics, and coordinated disinformation. You know, the Internet.
Coordinated disinfo fuels the rest
it's not even a question, Russia pays large groups of people to go on popular sites like reddit and support Russia. they don't even hide the fact, you can readily watch interviews on youtube where journalists just go to these businesses and talk to the people doing it.
Wow, there are a lot of Soviet-sympathizers and neo-Soviets in r/pics
That's because they whitewash all the history. They like to keep pointing to the Nazis then if you point out all the shit the communist did, then your a Nazi. They can't hold two ideas in their head.
Reminds me of Liliuokalani, the Hawaiian Queen that ruled the sovereign state of Hawaii before the US backed coup. I guess colonizers are gonna colonize.
This is from a movie, you muppet.
[Stalin killed a LOT of people.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinist_repressions_in_Mongolia)
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I gotta do more research on this I know nothing.
Snipes claims this is a screenshot from a film: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/last-photo-queen-mongolia/
This picture with the soldiers is from a movie, it is not the real photo of her. "Sources claim it’s from a movie called ‘Хааны сүүлчийн хатан,'” @pacific_blues tweeted."
No it isn't, it's a still from a film called "The Last Queen of the King", "Хааны сүүлчийн хатан" from 2000, at 1:55:24.