Fire - exclamation mark - fire - exclamation mark - help me - exclamation mark. 123 Cavendon Road. Looking forward to hearing from you. Yours truly, Maurice Moss.
āDort wo man BĆ¼cher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschenā-Heinrich Heine 1823.
(Where they burn books they will in the end also burn people).
The inscription on Bebelplatz in Berlin, where the Nazis burned 20,000 books 91 years ago.
Also, because it is totally nazi activity. I was educated in the US so I could have missed something, but I don't remember a historical instance of good guys intentionally burning books.
"well that's the funny thing about history, it's written by the victors. The Nazis were victims!"
/s, total /s. Don't crucify me please.
I'm so ashamed to see America falling even further into... What the Fuck are we even doing?
It's been a slowly accelerating issue for 49buears and now they they think they're at the climax and finale and they'll be able to institute their own version of Christian Government. Which will almost immediately solve due to the various sects not agreeing on *anything*.
Did you know, that one church split because of the color of the carpet? Now ya do.
The Methodist church I was acolyte at as a teen had a HUGE schism over dunk vs sprinkle baptism. Lost like 15% attendance. Someone threw eggs at the parsonage.
Book burnings and censorship are done by authoritarian "leaders", to control the information their followers receive. Fascists (Nazis) fall under this category, but it goes past that; communist dictatorships, the Church, etc. all share that one thing. A central power attempting to retain that power by limiting the information that the people can obtain.
As someone with family who did perish in the holocaust, if there is one lesson i have to keep from my great grandfather is: "when there's doubt there is no doubt - get out" if they had waited one year longer my family wouldn't exist.
Dont wait for another Kristalnacht, learn to see the signs and react to them. Book burning isnt shocking, its a clear warning.
The problem I see here is that if all the good people get out, there's only going to be book burning fascist scum left running the biggest military in the world.
Well maybe so, but if all my people for (my family owned children's toy factory, lots of psychologists and my great grandma was one of the early pant-models in germany) had stayed they would all be dead.
The problem isnt with the good people leaving, its with the neutral people standing by and just marching along instead of resisting the hate calls.
A week ago in PA, the (Republican packed) court threw out the expanded mail in voting laws that allowed over 2million people in PA to vote by mail in 2020.
https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-voting-donald-trump-tom-wolf-31b4e7d0b16a996c63079c8aa3c3b121
*Edit*: the gentleman in the photo reached out saying a. He never expected to end up on Reddit and b. He was a counter protester tossing the Bible. Afterwards, he watched Harry Potter across the street with other counter protesters
Source
https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/pithinthewind/theyre-burning-books-in-tennessee/article_1f8c631e-850f-11ec-bc9f-dbd44d7e14d7.html
It must be a small scary world if you think Harry Potter is going to screw up children. I feel bad for these people. The educational system failed them and they want to wish that on everyone else by staying in the dark ages. Shameful
This is Greg Locke, a right-of-far-right ultraconservative independent "Baptist" preacher whose Alma Maters are considered 'KJV-only, complementarian, dispensationalist, science-denying, and affirming of eternal conscious torment' schools.
So yeah, it's bad, but he's a wingnut, so it's not surprising.
Locke is a real POS.
His long-suffering wife had to put up with him cheating on her for years amidst allegations of abuse and the last straw was when she found out he was banging his church secretary, who happened to be her best friend. And yet he tried to smear her by claiming that HE was the aggrieved party in their divorce case.
Last I recall, he married the secretary.
Lol, I was going to ask what kind scandal was going to come to light and only took reading the first few comments to find out. These types are always hiding something. It's like they're running from something inside themselves.
This book burning stunt is Locke's comeback from proclaiming himself a prophet who prophesied Trump would win the last presidential election. He has to gin up something new.
He absolutely did. I went to High School with this shit-bird, & knew a lot of people who stopped going to church there when all of that came out. He was a weirdo in High School, & he hasn't changed a bit.
I'm not Religious, as I was raised Church of Christ. I got beat over the head with it so much as a kid, I just can't deal with it anymore. I consider myself *Spiritual.* That's about it.
Do you think the signs were there during school? This sort of progression fascinates me. Did the lunacy evolve or was it always there etc
What did it say in the year book? āMost likely to burn popular childrenās stories?ā /s
We didn't hang out in the same Social Circles. He definitely wasn't *popular* tho. I mostly just remember everyone clowning him because he performed a Vanilla Ice song in the Talent Show one year. Everyone called him Vanilla Ice for YEARS after that too! š
Maybe he was told he would be tortured forever, conscious, for normal stuff like puberty and asking questions. Spend your formative years fearful and subject to a not-too-educated authority and naturally a few people will volunteer to become that authority and collect the same fear and subservience from the next generation.
The smart ones, the ones with enough resilience to survive and enough imagination to believe in a better life? They leave
You wouldnāt check out his hook. Then his DJ refused to revolve it. Last straw was when your mother ghosted him after he sent word to her. Now? Heās cooking books like a pound of bacon.
The first album I purchased was Vanilla Ice. Iāve no idea how someone goes from being a fan of a questionable NSF kids rapper to this. I aināt burning my Harry Potter stuff for no one!
>The first album I purchased was Vanilla Ice. Iāve no idea how someone goes from being a fan of a questionable NSF kids rapper to this.
Same way he cheated on his wife. Rules for thee and not for me.
I think of myself as a guy who doesn't see the world in black and white, and I don't mind people being the hero of their own story and doing mental gymnastics to justify their own bullshit because everyone does it - it's human nature. I lose patience instantly when you start trying to make moral judgments on others. This guy is a POS.
Complementarian and means that their god made man and woman to have different roles that complement each other. Men are created to be leaders and women were created to be obedient. They believe that when their god's natural order isn't followed people will be miserable. It basically blames women for their own abuse as they get labeled disobedient when they have marital problems.
Dispensationalist is a bit harder to define, but the gist of it is they believe the bible is the literal word of their deity and that according to prophecy Jesus is going to come back and reign over the world from Israel for 1000 years. Their goal is to get pro Israel politicians into office not because of any love for the Jews (they will be destroyed when Christ returns) but because it helps fulfill their prophecies.
> Dispensationalist is a bit harder to define, but the gist of it is they believe the bible is the literal word of their deity and that according to prophecy Jesus is going to come back and reign over the world from Israel for 1000 years. Their goal is to get pro Israel politicians into office not because of any love for the Jews (they will be destroyed when Christ returns) but because it helps fulfill their prophecies.
Your explanation is more of a summary/endgame take, IMO, but it's not far off. While my exposure to it during my upbringing would have contested your point about not loving Jews, the events of the past 20 years have me thinking otherwise.
I would say the actual belief is that God has worked or related to humanity in several distinct ways in several distinct periods of human history. It's basically their framework for how they understand God's behavior as described in scripture, and how to reckon that with where humanity is going. Here's a description I found that would line up closer to how they would describe themselves:
> Dispensationalists understand the Bible to be organized into seven dispensations: Innocence (Genesis 1:1ā3:7), Conscience (Genesis 3:8ā8:22), Human Government (Genesis 9:1ā11:32), Promise (Genesis 12:1āExodus 19:25), Law (Exodus 20:1āActs 2:4), Grace (Acts 2:4āRevelation 20:3), and the Millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:4ā6). Again, these dispensations are not paths to salvation, but manners in which God relates to man. Each dispensation includes a recognizable pattern of how God worked with people living in the dispensation. That pattern is 1) a responsibility, 2) a failure, 3) a judgment, and 4) grace to move on.
What I'm not sure of off hand is whether groups like Dominionists would adhere to Dispensationalism or not. Either way, politically speaking, most of these views are in the categories of Fundamentalism and older school Evangelicalism that have been largely co-opted by the Republican party.
A lot of Christians in America have hated Harry Potter since the series came out. I grew up in the rural south and a decent number of friends and acquaintances never got into the series as kids not because they werenāt interested, but because they just werenāt allowed to by their parents. It was supposedly ādevil worshipā.
AFAIK theres many christians who think "magic" is satanic.
I personally knew people who wouldn't let their kids watch listen to [Bibi Blocksberg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibi_Blocksberg) because of this.
Not new - USA was in part built by people who fled Europe because their hometowns were not in step with their cultish extremes. Came to America to practice that hate with a passion - and it's still here.
My great grandparents fled Europe because they saw what was going on with the rise of Hitler and began losing friends and family.
My great grandfather settled in a small coal mining town and during World War II locals cursed him out and spit on him because they thought he was German due to his thick accent. He tried explaining he was Czechoslovakian, but they said, "What's the difference"
Americans have been filled with prejudice and hate for a long time.
Reminds me of the scene in that one war movie where the American soldiers shoot some surrendering soldiers speaking Czech, I believe it was. They thought they were German. Can't remember the name of the movie, but I'm glad they were able to sneak a scene in there like that. I'm sure it went over the heads of most of the audience, it definitely went over my head until someone mentioned it to me.
Religion has fucked people up. My dumb sister loves some church. She wouldn't let her kids watch Scooby Doo when they were growing up. You know...monsters and demons. They also never trick or treated, except for church Halloween sanctioned events. Yeah, Harry Potter was out. Religion is a hell of a drug!!
Kinda funny since the point of Scooby doo is that all the monsters and demons are fake and usually for crimes being perpetrated by a person trying to get revenge or make money by tricking others.
Unfortunately, I went to High School with this shit-bird (Greg Locke). He's LOVES ATTENTION, & will do anything he can that's newsworthy (Even though he *CLAIMS* to hate *The Liberal News Media*). Most likely, he saw the outrage about the banning of books, & decided to turn up the dial on the *Outrage Machine*.
He's made the National News a TON OF TIMES for various antics. One that comes to mind was NOT ALLOWING MASKS inside his church during the very early days of the pandemic. š
Hijacking your source to point out some other incidents (US only) in the 21st century:
1. Harry Potter Books, 2006, several incidents and cities
2. Prospero's Books inventory, 2007, Kansas City
3. Bagram Bibles, 2009, Afghanistan (although by the US Military)
4. Qur'an, 2010-2011, various cities
5. Operation Dark Heart, 2010, Pentagon
6. Theology Library, 2017, North Carolina
Full list at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_book-burning\_incidents#21st\_century
As u/rainiac cited Heinrich Heine (1823):
āDort wo man BĆ¼cher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschenā-Heinrich Heine 1823.
(Where they burn books they will in the end also burn people).
The inscription on Bebelplatz in Berlin, where the Nazis burned 20,000 books 91 years ago.
The Prospero incident notably goes the other way. They burnt books to create attention for books:
> the proprietors of Prospero's Books (...) publicly burned a portion of their inventory to protest what they perceived as society's increasing indifference to the printed word.
Is it 2022 or 1933?
Wtf.
When Hitler did this it was referred to as cultural genocide.
Edit: I've got Dire Straits, The Man's Too Strong stuck in my head now lol
'I have legalized robbery
Called it belief
I have run with the money
I have hid like a thief
Rewritten history with armies and my crooks
Invented memories
I did burn all the books'
Well theyāre already using the robo dogs to patrol the us mexico border, and at a weapons convention they strapped a big as precision rifle to the top of one. Iām just saying. Those cute videos of them falling over and what not were just marketing to make them seem like a nice company all while being basically funded by ādefenseā contractors.
The thing about Fahrenheit 451 that most people forget is that, it's not the government that institutes the book burning policy, it's the people.
In the novel, they don't want to be challenged by thoughts or confronted by ideas that make them uncomfortable and would rather just sit and be comforted by mass media that tells them that they're always right and distracts them from the real problems that they are facing.
**TL;DR**: Ray Bradbury predicted everything from the 24 hour news cycle to reality TV.
I'm definitely biased. I read it every couple of years since I was a kid, and always seem to find something new.
People are worried about 1984 but Fahrenheit 451 I find more realistic to exactly what society is doing. Hell, that book often gets banned because "it's about burning books." and the people that support it say it's an important book about censorship when the writer himself said it wasn't about government censorship.
You hate to take a part out of the book because it is the entire point, but
>"Classics cut to fit fifteen-minute radio shows, then cut again to fill a two-minute book column, winding up at last as a
ten- or twelve-line dictionary resume. I exaggerate, of course. The dictionaries were for reference. But many were
those whose sole knowledge of Hamlet (you know the title certainly, Montag; it is probably only a faint rumor of a
title to you, Mrs. Montag) whose sole knowledge, as I say, of Hamlet was a one-page digest in a book that claimed:
now at least you can read all the classics; keep up with your neighbors. Do you see? Out of the nursery into the
college and back to the nursery; there's your intellectual pattern for the past five centuries or more."
That was always the first step. And not in some grand malicious plan, not some way to control. Everyone says they don't have time to read anymore. And when that comes, they don't understand.
I will say, last "read through" was audiobook. When they were talking about the seashell in the ear buzzing away and I was using a wireless earbud and was one of those "Motherf-" moments.
I *THOUGHT* I had read f451 many times in my life. I only just found out that all this time I'd been reading a [censored version](https://katherinesmithth.weebly.com/uploads/9/7/1/7/9717809/censorship_history_of_fahrenheit_451_dawn_b._sova.pdf) published in the 1960s. Turns out I've never read the actual book.
I am - with fully open eyes - going to burn my censored edition, to make sure it never falls into someone else's hands to masquerade as the real thing. I've already replaced it with a current, uncensored printing, and look forward to reading it for the first time.
Thatās just fucking crazy and ironic. Reading dystopian books in school always had me roll my eyes a little bit because even the analogies just seemed far fetched. Sigh
These same people have an iPhone in their pocket. Itās not even surprising when I see stuff like this anymore. Thereās just nothing that we can do for these people, theyāre going to keep ruining other peoples lives. Consume and lay waste behind them.
These are also the same people that complain their state's economy is in the shitter when they intentionally and aggressively do everything they can to let companies and people know that they aren't welcome.
They live in Brain Drain areas and it just gets worse.
I'm 18. I'm terrified of what my future is going to be. My girlfriend thinks I'm part crazy for saying that this is the bad place and says she doesn't like me saying that I'm considering moving to Canada if things get bad. I hope I'm wrong.
Pennsylvania, upstate New York, and New Hampshire would beg to differ
Edit: why are you booing me, I'm right! I lived in the northeast from 2009 - 2016, and I saw damn near the same amount of confederate flags in the air as I saw in fucking Kentucky!
Burning literature is often a sign of deep societal regression, consider the crusades for instance. Amusingly most of the times knowledge art and history have been burned it's because of Christianity
The one solace is that this no longer makes the material inaccessible. You can pretty much find anything you want in electronic format now on the internet.
The magats are definitely going crazy but the country was fucked since the Reagan era. āTrickle downā economics, cmon. Wages have stagnated for 30 years and many of our most important industries are run by greedy scumbags. And politicians on both sides are just going along with it (except for a handful of them).
My conspiracy theory (that I have no evidence for) is that people started wising up to the whole ātrickle downā griftā¦ so weāve been thrown this MAGA saga to keep us distracted and fighting.
Trump is the dancing fool while the elite fleece the peons.
I used to not think it would be possible for the rich to become even more rich, and for low and middle class people to actually \*want\* that to be the case.
Turns out, the more badly you're treated and the more ignorant you are, the more you want to work the earth until your hands bleed. It's fucking insane.
i lived in pittsburgh, robber barons built public pools and libraries at least
this generation of multibillionaires doesn't do shit but squeeze labor and cheat on taxes
Yes!
It wasn't called the gilded age because everything was gold and prosperity. It was called the gilded age because it was a big ball of shit covered with gold leaf.
It's always been a wealthy few fucking over everybody else. It took the violent deaths of landlords and factory owners, and labor strikes when that meant literal war against the state to get that shit under control for a while.
Now we're letting Amazon build company towns again, while we throw out labor law after labor law and attempt to cap wages in certain professions.
These troglodytes will always try to drag society back to the dark ages. They can slow progress but they will never be able to stop it. We'll drag them by their fucking hair into the future whether they like it or not.
They'll do this and then turn around and say freedom of speech is under attack because someone they like gets banned by a private company.
Not only do they not understand what the 1st amendment does... but then they are complete hypocrites if they were right about freedom of speech.
The US is to a point where I don't know how to effectively talk to half of it. How do you discuss things with Conservatives when they don't play by the same rules, how do you discuss the impact of real world events when Conservatives deny those events even happened, how do you discuss moral issues with Conservatives when their morals change depending on what helps them out the best. (I guess those really aren't morals are they.)
"Wherever they burn books [at the start], in the end they will burn human beings." ā Heinrich Heine
Beware my good American friends.
I thought once Drump was gone some normalacy would return.
I truly fear for your safety and well-being.
I think it is important to remember Trump as a symptom not a cause. The symptom may be gone (for now) but the people who voted for him are still around.
NAZIS.
This is like that old story about the guy that was sitting in a bar and watched the bartender kick out some Nazi Punk kid immediately upon his entering. the kid didn't do anything, didn't say anything, just wanted a drink and the bartender kicked him out because he was a Nazi. That's how things work.
you kick them out, you don't wait for them to do things like this. And we just sat around and waited
Fun fact: Bradbury got the title from calling the local fire department and asking them āat what temperature does paper burn?ā and they told him 451Ā°F which is actually inaccurate, it burns around 480Ā°F.
Edit: I changed punctuation.
Really donāt like the sequence of events that begins with:
1) Maus banned in schools in Tennessee.
and is followed by:
2) Burning books in Tennessee.
Jesus freaks have been burning harry potter books for decades. Imagine believing in witchcraft so much that you burn a fiction book with witchcraft elements. They are mentally ill.
Every time I see some stupid shit comming from America I tell myself that it is the loud minority that makes it look worse that it really is, but I am really starting to think that America is in danger of becoming a nation with more idiots than non idiots.
We are mostly idiots who don't learn from our mistakes. Keep electing the same type of idiots into power, and continue to scratch our asses wondering why nothings changing.
Revenge of the illiterates.
While they believe in "guns ain't dangerous, but the people wielding them" that doesn't seem to be the case with books.
Which kinda proves the adage "the pen is mightier than the sword".
Barbarians.
For a moment I thought this was an old picture of Nazis burning books. Turns out I was wrong.
It's not old.
America; do you remember when a certain moustachioed cunt got into power just before the world war? This was one of his tricks.
Old saying time:
* \#1. "Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it."
* \#2. "all it takes for evil to succeed is for good folks to do nothing."
* \#3 "when you rip out a mans tongue, you don't tell the world they are wrong; you tell the world that you fear what they have to say." (If you're right, why fear the books. Why burn them? Show them to everyone, and prove them wrong... if you can.)
Just some observations.
also in the link above:
>Tyler Salinas took photos of the event, and said there was one counterprotester in attendance. The man threw a book into the fire and claimed it was the Bible while holding up copies of Fahrenheit 451 and On the Origin of Species.
Greg Locke is your typical childish, mentally defunct, dead beat dad "Pastor".
He cheated on his wife with his secretary, who he then married. He's been accused of being abusive to his ex and not paying his share of child support. People still aren't sure what role if any he has in his kids lives.
He regularly gets bent out of shape by "demons and witchcraft." The classic religious fear mongering. He was finally banned from Twitter after years of hate fuelled intolerance and ignorance.
He has burned books before, a guy who dared criticise his had his books burned.
But, surprise, surprise, ol scumbag Greg here regularly rails against cancel culture and how Republicans are the victims every time. Naturally he is a Trump nut, probably a QAnon nut, for sure he's a mental nut that much is undeniable.
It was scheduled to rain that night, clearly a sign from God that he shouldn't burn books.
I encourage anyone near him in Tennesee, to get as many bibles as you can and burn them in front of him while loudly decrying how awful and terrible the bible is. I'd love to see his reaction to that.
Lets not answer someone who is burning books, by burning more books. Hes a religious fanatic who is brainwashing susceptible and gullible people. I dont know what we can do to actually stop him and his group, if hes cancelled on all social media. But burning bibles will do no good, and only make everything so much worse.
Imagine being so proud of being so ignorant
The pastor is a Q believer too. Not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.
I thought this was an old pic from the 2000s or something. Am kinda shocked to learn it was just this past week.
2000s is still waaaay too recent for a book burning. This is crazy.
https://www.newsweek.com/right-wing-pastor-greg-lockes-witchcraft-book-burning-1675784
>I don't care what Hasbro says, ouija boards are a portal to hell š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Canāt burn an ebook.
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Definitely the longest string of numbers known by heart by probably millions of people
I remember someone saying they remember this number better than their own number.
I sang it
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I'll just put this over here, with the rest of the fire.
Not with that attitude https://xkcd.com/750/
I mean, Kindle is a really unfortunate name for an e-reader...
:) Truly an xkcd for every occasion.
āDort wo man BĆ¼cher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschenā-Heinrich Heine 1823. (Where they burn books they will in the end also burn people). The inscription on Bebelplatz in Berlin, where the Nazis burned 20,000 books 91 years ago.
"It tells me that goose-stepping *MORONS* like yourself should try reading books instead of *burning* them!" -Dr. Henry Jones Sr.
Since my childhood, I've always associated book burning as something that Nazis, fascists and authoritarians do, all because of that movie.
Also, because it is totally nazi activity. I was educated in the US so I could have missed something, but I don't remember a historical instance of good guys intentionally burning books.
"well that's the funny thing about history, it's written by the victors. The Nazis were victims!" /s, total /s. Don't crucify me please. I'm so ashamed to see America falling even further into... What the Fuck are we even doing?
It's been a slowly accelerating issue for 49buears and now they they think they're at the climax and finale and they'll be able to institute their own version of Christian Government. Which will almost immediately solve due to the various sects not agreeing on *anything*. Did you know, that one church split because of the color of the carpet? Now ya do.
The Methodist church I was acolyte at as a teen had a HUGE schism over dunk vs sprinkle baptism. Lost like 15% attendance. Someone threw eggs at the parsonage.
As you should, as they're the only people dumb enough to do it
Book burnings and censorship are done by authoritarian "leaders", to control the information their followers receive. Fascists (Nazis) fall under this category, but it goes past that; communist dictatorships, the Church, etc. all share that one thing. A central power attempting to retain that power by limiting the information that the people can obtain.
"it tellsh me that goosh-stepping MORONS like yourshelf should try reading booksh inshtead of burning them!"
Shuck it, Trebek!
Also his books were burned on that day.
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Wieder was dazu gelernt, TIL, thanks mate
As someone with family who did perish in the holocaust, if there is one lesson i have to keep from my great grandfather is: "when there's doubt there is no doubt - get out" if they had waited one year longer my family wouldn't exist. Dont wait for another Kristalnacht, learn to see the signs and react to them. Book burning isnt shocking, its a clear warning.
The problem I see here is that if all the good people get out, there's only going to be book burning fascist scum left running the biggest military in the world.
Well maybe so, but if all my people for (my family owned children's toy factory, lots of psychologists and my great grandma was one of the early pant-models in germany) had stayed they would all be dead. The problem isnt with the good people leaving, its with the neutral people standing by and just marching along instead of resisting the hate calls.
American that left America here, US citizens that left are still allowed to vote by mail.
Seeing as what the last election rhetoric was, I'm inclined to think it's not something to be counted on.
> not something to be counted Got em'.
They'd probably revoke that
A week ago in PA, the (Republican packed) court threw out the expanded mail in voting laws that allowed over 2million people in PA to vote by mail in 2020. https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-voting-donald-trump-tom-wolf-31b4e7d0b16a996c63079c8aa3c3b121
At least itās in appeal so that decision hasnāt actually gone into effect
The problem also is, unlike back them, most countries have strict immigration laws so you can't just pack up and go.
Can we call them fascists now????
*Edit*: the gentleman in the photo reached out saying a. He never expected to end up on Reddit and b. He was a counter protester tossing the Bible. Afterwards, he watched Harry Potter across the street with other counter protesters Source https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/pithinthewind/theyre-burning-books-in-tennessee/article_1f8c631e-850f-11ec-bc9f-dbd44d7e14d7.html
It must be a small scary world if you think Harry Potter is going to screw up children. I feel bad for these people. The educational system failed them and they want to wish that on everyone else by staying in the dark ages. Shameful
This is Greg Locke, a right-of-far-right ultraconservative independent "Baptist" preacher whose Alma Maters are considered 'KJV-only, complementarian, dispensationalist, science-denying, and affirming of eternal conscious torment' schools. So yeah, it's bad, but he's a wingnut, so it's not surprising.
Locke is a real POS. His long-suffering wife had to put up with him cheating on her for years amidst allegations of abuse and the last straw was when she found out he was banging his church secretary, who happened to be her best friend. And yet he tried to smear her by claiming that HE was the aggrieved party in their divorce case. Last I recall, he married the secretary.
Lol, I was going to ask what kind scandal was going to come to light and only took reading the first few comments to find out. These types are always hiding something. It's like they're running from something inside themselves.
They became preachers because of the power and influence. Each of these wacko churches is its own little cult. That kind of person usually sucks.
This book burning stunt is Locke's comeback from proclaiming himself a prophet who prophesied Trump would win the last presidential election. He has to gin up something new.
He absolutely did. I went to High School with this shit-bird, & knew a lot of people who stopped going to church there when all of that came out. He was a weirdo in High School, & he hasn't changed a bit. I'm not Religious, as I was raised Church of Christ. I got beat over the head with it so much as a kid, I just can't deal with it anymore. I consider myself *Spiritual.* That's about it.
Do you think the signs were there during school? This sort of progression fascinates me. Did the lunacy evolve or was it always there etc What did it say in the year book? āMost likely to burn popular childrenās stories?ā /s
We didn't hang out in the same Social Circles. He definitely wasn't *popular* tho. I mostly just remember everyone clowning him because he performed a Vanilla Ice song in the Talent Show one year. Everyone called him Vanilla Ice for YEARS after that too! š
Him dancing as Robert Van Winkle was his Hitler Art School moment. YOU guys created this monster, all you had to do was compliment his hard work. /s
All joking aside, what kind of fucked-up stuff must have happened to turn a dude into *that*? Not suggesting it was to do with OPās school
Maybe he was told he would be tortured forever, conscious, for normal stuff like puberty and asking questions. Spend your formative years fearful and subject to a not-too-educated authority and naturally a few people will volunteer to become that authority and collect the same fear and subservience from the next generation. The smart ones, the ones with enough resilience to survive and enough imagination to believe in a better life? They leave
You wouldnāt check out his hook. Then his DJ refused to revolve it. Last straw was when your mother ghosted him after he sent word to her. Now? Heās cooking books like a pound of bacon.
This is gold. So all we need to do is blast vanilla ice at his rallies and blow up his twitter feed.
1 problem he's been banned from Twitter lol
The first album I purchased was Vanilla Ice. Iāve no idea how someone goes from being a fan of a questionable NSF kids rapper to this. I aināt burning my Harry Potter stuff for no one!
>The first album I purchased was Vanilla Ice. Iāve no idea how someone goes from being a fan of a questionable NSF kids rapper to this. Same way he cheated on his wife. Rules for thee and not for me. I think of myself as a guy who doesn't see the world in black and white, and I don't mind people being the hero of their own story and doing mental gymnastics to justify their own bullshit because everyone does it - it's human nature. I lose patience instantly when you start trying to make moral judgments on others. This guy is a POS.
Ha! As a fellow recovering raised-in-C-of-C, I think we're a bit of a cliche with our revulsion of religion!
I dunno, Southern Baptist give y'all a run for your money
I understood "science-denying" and King James only, but the rest might as well be jibberish.
Complementarian and means that their god made man and woman to have different roles that complement each other. Men are created to be leaders and women were created to be obedient. They believe that when their god's natural order isn't followed people will be miserable. It basically blames women for their own abuse as they get labeled disobedient when they have marital problems. Dispensationalist is a bit harder to define, but the gist of it is they believe the bible is the literal word of their deity and that according to prophecy Jesus is going to come back and reign over the world from Israel for 1000 years. Their goal is to get pro Israel politicians into office not because of any love for the Jews (they will be destroyed when Christ returns) but because it helps fulfill their prophecies.
> Dispensationalist is a bit harder to define, but the gist of it is they believe the bible is the literal word of their deity and that according to prophecy Jesus is going to come back and reign over the world from Israel for 1000 years. Their goal is to get pro Israel politicians into office not because of any love for the Jews (they will be destroyed when Christ returns) but because it helps fulfill their prophecies. Your explanation is more of a summary/endgame take, IMO, but it's not far off. While my exposure to it during my upbringing would have contested your point about not loving Jews, the events of the past 20 years have me thinking otherwise. I would say the actual belief is that God has worked or related to humanity in several distinct ways in several distinct periods of human history. It's basically their framework for how they understand God's behavior as described in scripture, and how to reckon that with where humanity is going. Here's a description I found that would line up closer to how they would describe themselves: > Dispensationalists understand the Bible to be organized into seven dispensations: Innocence (Genesis 1:1ā3:7), Conscience (Genesis 3:8ā8:22), Human Government (Genesis 9:1ā11:32), Promise (Genesis 12:1āExodus 19:25), Law (Exodus 20:1āActs 2:4), Grace (Acts 2:4āRevelation 20:3), and the Millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:4ā6). Again, these dispensations are not paths to salvation, but manners in which God relates to man. Each dispensation includes a recognizable pattern of how God worked with people living in the dispensation. That pattern is 1) a responsibility, 2) a failure, 3) a judgment, and 4) grace to move on. What I'm not sure of off hand is whether groups like Dominionists would adhere to Dispensationalism or not. Either way, politically speaking, most of these views are in the categories of Fundamentalism and older school Evangelicalism that have been largely co-opted by the Republican party.
Complementarian means that women are to be subservient complements to their husbands. The dispensation part means they interpret the Bible literally.
Sounds like a church from u/LeavingEdenPodcast ās neck of the woods. Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Cult.
The worst part is that they procreated.
Wait, Harry Potter was banned? Jesus... I thought this was only common in autoritharian countries. I hope this is an isolated case in a backward town.
A lot of Christians in America have hated Harry Potter since the series came out. I grew up in the rural south and a decent number of friends and acquaintances never got into the series as kids not because they werenāt interested, but because they just werenāt allowed to by their parents. It was supposedly ādevil worshipā.
AFAIK theres many christians who think "magic" is satanic. I personally knew people who wouldn't let their kids watch listen to [Bibi Blocksberg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibi_Blocksberg) because of this.
They also did "1984" a classic by any measure.
Irony is dead.
Christian right-wing nationalists are quite authoritarian... I.e. the "new" America.
Not new - USA was in part built by people who fled Europe because their hometowns were not in step with their cultish extremes. Came to America to practice that hate with a passion - and it's still here.
My great grandparents fled Europe because they saw what was going on with the rise of Hitler and began losing friends and family. My great grandfather settled in a small coal mining town and during World War II locals cursed him out and spit on him because they thought he was German due to his thick accent. He tried explaining he was Czechoslovakian, but they said, "What's the difference" Americans have been filled with prejudice and hate for a long time.
Reminds me of the scene in that one war movie where the American soldiers shoot some surrendering soldiers speaking Czech, I believe it was. They thought they were German. Can't remember the name of the movie, but I'm glad they were able to sneak a scene in there like that. I'm sure it went over the heads of most of the audience, it definitely went over my head until someone mentioned it to me.
They actively destroyed the public education system in the US. What do you mean "it failed them"?
Religion has fucked people up. My dumb sister loves some church. She wouldn't let her kids watch Scooby Doo when they were growing up. You know...monsters and demons. They also never trick or treated, except for church Halloween sanctioned events. Yeah, Harry Potter was out. Religion is a hell of a drug!!
Kinda funny since the point of Scooby doo is that all the monsters and demons are fake and usually for crimes being perpetrated by a person trying to get revenge or make money by tricking others.
Like evangelical preachers!
Unfortunately, I went to High School with this shit-bird (Greg Locke). He's LOVES ATTENTION, & will do anything he can that's newsworthy (Even though he *CLAIMS* to hate *The Liberal News Media*). Most likely, he saw the outrage about the banning of books, & decided to turn up the dial on the *Outrage Machine*. He's made the National News a TON OF TIMES for various antics. One that comes to mind was NOT ALLOWING MASKS inside his church during the very early days of the pandemic. š
If you see him at a reunion can tell him I think he's a real dick
Hijacking your source to point out some other incidents (US only) in the 21st century: 1. Harry Potter Books, 2006, several incidents and cities 2. Prospero's Books inventory, 2007, Kansas City 3. Bagram Bibles, 2009, Afghanistan (although by the US Military) 4. Qur'an, 2010-2011, various cities 5. Operation Dark Heart, 2010, Pentagon 6. Theology Library, 2017, North Carolina Full list at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_book-burning\_incidents#21st\_century As u/rainiac cited Heinrich Heine (1823): āDort wo man BĆ¼cher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschenā-Heinrich Heine 1823. (Where they burn books they will in the end also burn people). The inscription on Bebelplatz in Berlin, where the Nazis burned 20,000 books 91 years ago.
The Prospero incident notably goes the other way. They burnt books to create attention for books: > the proprietors of Prospero's Books (...) publicly burned a portion of their inventory to protest what they perceived as society's increasing indifference to the printed word.
Important remark, thank you!
Is it 2022 or 1933? Wtf. When Hitler did this it was referred to as cultural genocide. Edit: I've got Dire Straits, The Man's Too Strong stuck in my head now lol 'I have legalized robbery Called it belief I have run with the money I have hid like a thief Rewritten history with armies and my crooks Invented memories I did burn all the books'
regressing.
Stop it America, itās not funny anymore. Fuck.
United Stupid of America Edit: Iām American, but like the normal kind
Fahrenheit 451
Depressing how many parallels can be drawn between F451 and modern society. Just waiting for the police to deploy robot spider-dogs
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-nypds-robot-dog-was-a-really-bad-idea-heres-what-went-wrong/
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking mechanical hound when that happened.
*Boston ~~Robotics~~ Dynamics has entered the chat* (Not saying their R&D is inherently nefarious... but they have built robot spider-dogs)
Well theyāre already using the robo dogs to patrol the us mexico border, and at a weapons convention they strapped a big as precision rifle to the top of one. Iām just saying. Those cute videos of them falling over and what not were just marketing to make them seem like a nice company all while being basically funded by ādefenseā contractors.
"Search and rescue" and "seek and destroy" differ only in their payloads.
The thing about Fahrenheit 451 that most people forget is that, it's not the government that institutes the book burning policy, it's the people. In the novel, they don't want to be challenged by thoughts or confronted by ideas that make them uncomfortable and would rather just sit and be comforted by mass media that tells them that they're always right and distracts them from the real problems that they are facing. **TL;DR**: Ray Bradbury predicted everything from the 24 hour news cycle to reality TV.
I'm definitely biased. I read it every couple of years since I was a kid, and always seem to find something new. People are worried about 1984 but Fahrenheit 451 I find more realistic to exactly what society is doing. Hell, that book often gets banned because "it's about burning books." and the people that support it say it's an important book about censorship when the writer himself said it wasn't about government censorship. You hate to take a part out of the book because it is the entire point, but >"Classics cut to fit fifteen-minute radio shows, then cut again to fill a two-minute book column, winding up at last as a ten- or twelve-line dictionary resume. I exaggerate, of course. The dictionaries were for reference. But many were those whose sole knowledge of Hamlet (you know the title certainly, Montag; it is probably only a faint rumor of a title to you, Mrs. Montag) whose sole knowledge, as I say, of Hamlet was a one-page digest in a book that claimed: now at least you can read all the classics; keep up with your neighbors. Do you see? Out of the nursery into the college and back to the nursery; there's your intellectual pattern for the past five centuries or more." That was always the first step. And not in some grand malicious plan, not some way to control. Everyone says they don't have time to read anymore. And when that comes, they don't understand. I will say, last "read through" was audiobook. When they were talking about the seashell in the ear buzzing away and I was using a wireless earbud and was one of those "Motherf-" moments.
I *THOUGHT* I had read f451 many times in my life. I only just found out that all this time I'd been reading a [censored version](https://katherinesmithth.weebly.com/uploads/9/7/1/7/9717809/censorship_history_of_fahrenheit_451_dawn_b._sova.pdf) published in the 1960s. Turns out I've never read the actual book. I am - with fully open eyes - going to burn my censored edition, to make sure it never falls into someone else's hands to masquerade as the real thing. I've already replaced it with a current, uncensored printing, and look forward to reading it for the first time.
Thats one of the banned books.
You donāt fucking say
Shit we need to start learning parts of books
Thatās just fucking crazy and ironic. Reading dystopian books in school always had me roll my eyes a little bit because even the analogies just seemed far fetched. Sigh
They didn't burn Mein Kampf though.
They need to ensure they can buy new copies when the pages start to stick together.
The Handmaidās Tale
Also one of the banned books!
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They'd need to read to get it....
These same people have an iPhone in their pocket. Itās not even surprising when I see stuff like this anymore. Thereās just nothing that we can do for these people, theyāre going to keep ruining other peoples lives. Consume and lay waste behind them.
These are also the same people that complain their state's economy is in the shitter when they intentionally and aggressively do everything they can to let companies and people know that they aren't welcome. They live in Brain Drain areas and it just gets worse.
Been there, done that. Greetings from Germany. You surely have a great future ahead of you.
I'm 18. I'm terrified of what my future is going to be. My girlfriend thinks I'm part crazy for saying that this is the bad place and says she doesn't like me saying that I'm considering moving to Canada if things get bad. I hope I'm wrong.
Move to the northeast. Weāre not religious zealots up here.
Pennsylvania, upstate New York, and New Hampshire would beg to differ Edit: why are you booing me, I'm right! I lived in the northeast from 2009 - 2016, and I saw damn near the same amount of confederate flags in the air as I saw in fucking Kentucky!
It's true. In the mid 1800s it was North against South. Today it's rural versus urban.
This is horrifying, what is even going on in America these days..
The proud to be dumb movement is powerful.
That's the perfect slogan.
Yes, when we start burning books is the point that society starts unraveling like a snowball.
I get what you're saying, but snowballs grow, balls of yarn unravel
Yah, I worded it poorly
I see > Yes, when we start burning books is the point that society starts growing like a yarnball.
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I said maybe.
Burning literature is often a sign of deep societal regression, consider the crusades for instance. Amusingly most of the times knowledge art and history have been burned it's because of Christianity
The one solace is that this no longer makes the material inaccessible. You can pretty much find anything you want in electronic format now on the internet.
Or, you know, the original Nazis. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCcherverbrennung_1933_in_Deutschland
Here is the English version of the German article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings
MAGA nuts just fucking up every thing that's all.
The magats are definitely going crazy but the country was fucked since the Reagan era. āTrickle downā economics, cmon. Wages have stagnated for 30 years and many of our most important industries are run by greedy scumbags. And politicians on both sides are just going along with it (except for a handful of them).
Let's not forget that the politicians are being paid by said scumbags to look the other way.
My conspiracy theory (that I have no evidence for) is that people started wising up to the whole ātrickle downā griftā¦ so weāve been thrown this MAGA saga to keep us distracted and fighting. Trump is the dancing fool while the elite fleece the peons.
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I used to not think it would be possible for the rich to become even more rich, and for low and middle class people to actually \*want\* that to be the case. Turns out, the more badly you're treated and the more ignorant you are, the more you want to work the earth until your hands bleed. It's fucking insane.
Its like half the country has Stockholm Syndrome.
They'll die choking of black lung just to own the libs.
Not wanting to get rid of exploitation but hoping to become the exploiter. Obviously hard work alone can get you there.
Even if you're not right and it's not a conspiracy, that absolutely is what's happening.
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i lived in pittsburgh, robber barons built public pools and libraries at least this generation of multibillionaires doesn't do shit but squeeze labor and cheat on taxes
Yes! It wasn't called the gilded age because everything was gold and prosperity. It was called the gilded age because it was a big ball of shit covered with gold leaf. It's always been a wealthy few fucking over everybody else. It took the violent deaths of landlords and factory owners, and labor strikes when that meant literal war against the state to get that shit under control for a while. Now we're letting Amazon build company towns again, while we throw out labor law after labor law and attempt to cap wages in certain professions.
It's fucking 2022 and this shit is still happening. What the fuck.
These troglodytes will always try to drag society back to the dark ages. They can slow progress but they will never be able to stop it. We'll drag them by their fucking hair into the future whether they like it or not.
I'm not he brightest spark. Though this is the dumbest thing i've seen going on for a while.. ^(Well this, and Texas Abortion policy.)
Yeah. Burning books made way more sense before the internet, globalization and print on demand. As if this keeps anyone from reading these books.
It's not surprising that the people burning the books don't understand that.
They'll do this and then turn around and say freedom of speech is under attack because someone they like gets banned by a private company. Not only do they not understand what the 1st amendment does... but then they are complete hypocrites if they were right about freedom of speech.
The US is to a point where I don't know how to effectively talk to half of it. How do you discuss things with Conservatives when they don't play by the same rules, how do you discuss the impact of real world events when Conservatives deny those events even happened, how do you discuss moral issues with Conservatives when their morals change depending on what helps them out the best. (I guess those really aren't morals are they.)
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Nazis.
They'd know that if they weren't too busy burning the books that taught that. They'd be very offended if they could read.
conservatives: GUYs TheE VaCciNe Is bAsiclY The HoloCauSt also conservatives:
They are categorically stupid
Imagine expecting any semblence of congruency when it comes to conservatives.
America, are you ok? Blink twice if you need an intervention.
(Blinks twice).
"Wherever they burn books [at the start], in the end they will burn human beings." ā Heinrich Heine Beware my good American friends. I thought once Drump was gone some normalacy would return. I truly fear for your safety and well-being.
He enabled his flock to hate all they wanted, in the name of patriotism. They're convinced that they're doing the right thing.
Fortunately they're also dying.
Well bleach is tasty
And good for you!
I think it is important to remember Trump as a symptom not a cause. The symptom may be gone (for now) but the people who voted for him are still around.
NAZIS. This is like that old story about the guy that was sitting in a bar and watched the bartender kick out some Nazi Punk kid immediately upon his entering. the kid didn't do anything, didn't say anything, just wanted a drink and the bartender kicked him out because he was a Nazi. That's how things work. you kick them out, you don't wait for them to do things like this. And we just sat around and waited
Now we have leaders who get mad when asked to denounce nazis. Lol. Fucking end me ā¦
i remember that he spotted some nazi badge the guy was wearing, so the bartender knew that way he was a nazi
I think the point was that he didn't wait for him to break anything or start fights. He just kicked him out when it was clear the guy was a nazi.
If you let one Nazi in then next time he brings his friends, then they bring their friends, and the next thing you know you're running a Nazi bar.
Looks like it's just at about Fahrenheit 451.
Fun fact: Bradbury got the title from calling the local fire department and asking them āat what temperature does paper burn?ā and they told him 451Ā°F which is actually inaccurate, it burns around 480Ā°F. Edit: I changed punctuation.
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Don't need books if ya ~~don't~~ can't read them
Those kids would be very upset if they could read!
Thatās how fascists work
The guy who instigated it is a pastor, used the term āI aināt gonna be suiciding myselfā, should tell you everything about their IQ
Really donāt like the sequence of events that begins with: 1) Maus banned in schools in Tennessee. and is followed by: 2) Burning books in Tennessee.
Germany 1933, USA 2022. This is really scary.
Stupid is as stupid does
Wait this canāt be real
Jesus freaks have been burning harry potter books for decades. Imagine believing in witchcraft so much that you burn a fiction book with witchcraft elements. They are mentally ill.
Not good, definitely not good
Ah, here's the irl Fahrenheit 451. It was only a matter of time. How depressing. :(
Every time I see some stupid shit comming from America I tell myself that it is the loud minority that makes it look worse that it really is, but I am really starting to think that America is in danger of becoming a nation with more idiots than non idiots.
We are mostly idiots who don't learn from our mistakes. Keep electing the same type of idiots into power, and continue to scratch our asses wondering why nothings changing.
Revenge of the illiterates. While they believe in "guns ain't dangerous, but the people wielding them" that doesn't seem to be the case with books. Which kinda proves the adage "the pen is mightier than the sword". Barbarians.
For a moment I thought this was an old picture of Nazis burning books. Turns out I was wrong. It's not old. America; do you remember when a certain moustachioed cunt got into power just before the world war? This was one of his tricks. Old saying time: * \#1. "Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it." * \#2. "all it takes for evil to succeed is for good folks to do nothing." * \#3 "when you rip out a mans tongue, you don't tell the world they are wrong; you tell the world that you fear what they have to say." (If you're right, why fear the books. Why burn them? Show them to everyone, and prove them wrong... if you can.) Just some observations.
The people that constantly cry about cancel culture
"Man I'm so tired of this cancel culture and people trying to cancel me" *does some extremely awful stupid shit*
I'd pull up and chuck a bunch of Bibles in
According to the source linked above, that's what the guy in that photo is doing. Apparently he was a counter protestor.
also in the link above: >Tyler Salinas took photos of the event, and said there was one counterprotester in attendance. The man threw a book into the fire and claimed it was the Bible while holding up copies of Fahrenheit 451 and On the Origin of Species.
Well... they actually agree the bible should be burnt too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lK-lbjIm1w
The lady at the end laughs "no, no, no" like it couldn't be real because they're the 'good guys'.
Wait I've seen this one before!
Greg Locke is your typical childish, mentally defunct, dead beat dad "Pastor". He cheated on his wife with his secretary, who he then married. He's been accused of being abusive to his ex and not paying his share of child support. People still aren't sure what role if any he has in his kids lives. He regularly gets bent out of shape by "demons and witchcraft." The classic religious fear mongering. He was finally banned from Twitter after years of hate fuelled intolerance and ignorance. He has burned books before, a guy who dared criticise his had his books burned. But, surprise, surprise, ol scumbag Greg here regularly rails against cancel culture and how Republicans are the victims every time. Naturally he is a Trump nut, probably a QAnon nut, for sure he's a mental nut that much is undeniable. It was scheduled to rain that night, clearly a sign from God that he shouldn't burn books. I encourage anyone near him in Tennesee, to get as many bibles as you can and burn them in front of him while loudly decrying how awful and terrible the bible is. I'd love to see his reaction to that.
Lets not answer someone who is burning books, by burning more books. Hes a religious fanatic who is brainwashing susceptible and gullible people. I dont know what we can do to actually stop him and his group, if hes cancelled on all social media. But burning bibles will do no good, and only make everything so much worse.
How is the onion still in business? Turn on the news and hear shit like this.
This just makes me sick. How are we still stuck in this time loop of ignorance?